HOKA SPEEDGOAT 5 vs MAFATE SPEED 4 | Which one is better? | Run4Adventure

[@TrailRunnerJim]

As of today I have 909 miles on my Mafate Speed 4. Nothing is falling apart. The tread is definitely showing some wear. This shoe will probably last 3 times longer than any Speedgoat I owned.

[@tomchase2954]

Sweet review! I completely agree about the tounge/lockdown on the SG5. Mafate 4 vs Exodus Ultra should be the next showdown.

[@juanr.rodriguez3109]

Thanks for the review. I have done SG for the last two years and will try the Mafate. God job.

[@alexkhan2000]

I have both and I definitely prefer the Mafate Speed 4. The SG5 is good with its cushioning for relatively straight-ahead runs on gravel and hard-packed dirt trails, but I don't like it for technical trails where agility and nimbleness are needed. The midsole stack is a little too high for that. The MS4, in comparison, can pretty much do it all and just might be my favorite for technical trails due to the superior traction and lower-to-ground feel. And it also provides good comfort and protection. I have a lot of good trail running shoes but I find that I have pretty much everything covered in between the MS4, Xodus Ultra, and the new Peregrine 13 I got recently. Looking forward to the Xodus Ultra 2!

[@damianor6886]

Good comparison, I’d definitely agree with your preference to the Mafate 4s. The cushioning feels high quality it’s soft and responsive but stable as well. Definitely a better lockdown and more confidence inspiring and comfortable l. Feels great even 25k into a run. I’ve enjoyed the Speedgoat 5s and done 650km in 2 pairs, I did find the speedgoat midsole flattens out after 350-400km though and the upper stretch issues you mentioned.

[@dewaynescott5114]

Thank you , Thank you , Thank you. For looking into the camera and "reminding" Hoka that the Speedgoat 3 and I might say the Evo Speedgoat are the G.O.A.T. for the Speedgoat line up. Smh. I early retired both pair of my shoes just to save them for Special occasions.

[@SeoulMan2020]

Agree… love my Mafate’s more than my SG’s…. But the Hoka Evo Speedgoat’s are my all time favs… wish I could find a pair..

[@johnwhitesides566]

I have the MS4 and the EVO - love them both equally. MS4 slightly better grip; EVO slightly lighter.

[@scottaakre9303]

I was in heaven when I found the Speedgoat 3! I have never had a shoe fit so good. I bought 4 pairs and I am down to my last speedgoat 3. I have been saying the exact same thing about the 4 and 5. Excited to try the Mafate 4! Thank you.

[@Run4Adventure]

The Speedgoat 3's were a great shoe Scott, well done for stocking up! The Mafate Speed 4's are closest thing I've found to it, I hope you enjoy them 👍 Thanks for watching 🙏

[@paulforder3037]

Great content! And brilliant timing, I’ve got the Speedgoat 5’s but they just rub my ankle on really long runs.... but today the Mafate 4’s were delivered. I’ve got a few decisions which shoes to take out to California for the Lake Sonoma 50 next month.

[@חובבנחושתן]

I ahsbe the same problem of rubbong thr ankle What id uout solution

[@Laolu90]

Currently using the Mafate 4. Took them on a 35km trail race straight out of the box and since then have run around 200km of races. Toe padding is protective, however I find they can be blister machines on the toes if not laced properly.

[@stevencortez888]

World class review mate! Cheers

[@Run4Adventure]

Thanks Steven, glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 👍😃

[@Mumrik597]

I love, love, love them. My first trail shoes and I'm very pleased with my choice. I might get another pair when my current pair retires.

[@1972njm]

Thanks Loyd, totally agree, I found the mafate speed 4 a bit more durable as well, done 450 miles in the SG5 and it was ready to be retired, I’ve got 630 miles on the Mafates and still going…..both great shoes tho for me personally 👍👊

[@limkelvin1246]

Great comparison Loyd, I have both shoes and brought them for 100k race last week, wore the MS4 in the first 50k, it was great but I have blister on both of my toenails (I have wide feet and went half size up), and switched to SG5 (wide) for the second half of the race, felt better thereafter. Not recommended to wear MF4 more than 50k if you have a wide feet, it just rubs my toenails badly.

[@MonteComeau]

I have both. SG5 for me but Mafate a very good shoe. I like the outsole on the Mafate better. Great comparison 🇨🇦

[@HenryWDavey]

Wore my Mafates for The Grizzly the other week (20 miles along the Jurassic Coast). Amazing shoes. Comfortable from my first step to my last. My only criticism was that at times, the lugs didn't clear of debris as quickly as I would have liked, that said, I was running through thick, sticky, muddy fields. Anyone with concerns about the width should try them. I have feet of 'normal' width and have no issues at all. Many retailers have a 30 day return period now. Try them, they may change your life.

[@OttoDomars-wi5ez]

A comparision between the Mafate speed 4 and Salomon slab genesis would be interesting!

[@innesdunbar]

I’m with you on the Speedgoat 3s Loyd, I did a 50 miler with no issues on my feet at all. I really like my Speedgoat 5s though, I didn’t like my Mafate Eros from a few years back, good to hear the new Mafate is working well. Maybe need to give the new Mafate a closer look.

[@melaniebailey3446]

Sounds like it would be my perfect trail shoe… if it were only available in a men’s wide version! 😩 Come on Hoka, let’s have a wide fit in the Mafates please!

[@Boch3n]

same issue here :(

[@davetaylor5926]

Love how Loyd keeps it real. Every other KZbinr "Moe fa tae" R4adventure "MCFATTY" 👏🏻👏🏻

[@PacmanRBN]

Thanks Loyd 👍 Mafates on order.

[@Thefifaplayeryant]

Excellent comparison, the MS4 is a near perfect shoe if you have average or narrower (not wide) feet ! Only negative after my point of view is this fancy heel tale where depending on your gait and underground, small debris can come in quite easily. Minor complaint, love this shoe !!!

[@TheWarriorSage1357]

The mafates have been a game-changer for me.

[@merlincalo6877]

Great review! I am on the market for some new trail shoes. I have had my eyes on the SG for some time. Though have always been concerned with the fit, and stability with the higher stack. Also, I am coming from the M5 as a daily trainer. So I am familiar with the dual density Profly midsole. I am not crazy about the colorways tbh, though have to seriously consider these. I can’t wait to try them out, as well as the SG. To see how they compare. Thnx

[@thegumbychronicles4892]

I've always worn the Hoka Torrent for my trail shoes because the Speedboat felt too tall and clumsy. When it's time to for my current pair of Torrents to be retired, I will take a look at the Mafate.

[@grantwallace1882]

I am no expert, but I find the lock down on my new Speedgoat 5s is a bit troublesome compared to my SG4s.

[@scotthilton5406]

Just did my first 50K, in the mafate 4's and they did great

[@GuitaristDanH]

I love, love, love my SG5s. I also love my Mach 5s and the MS4 seems to be like a "Mach Trail" of sorts. May have to pick them up when I've worn out my 'goats.

[@Gekko186]

Great comparison 👌🏼 But does the Mafate beat the Xodus?! 🤯😅

[@climbingbullwinkle]

Xodus ultra vs mafate? 🤷‍♂️

[@Damo_GingerMarmot]

Arrrgh, like the recent nitecore review the mafate nearly made it as option for CCC for me. Loving the overview of the mafate but I've a wide foot. Currently running in the runforadventure recommended saucony exodus ultra, but find ankle collar / lockdown dodgy and twisted me ankle in the 2nd run 😢... The exodus midsole with mafate upper and outsole would be the job 😅

[@johnpapadopoulos516]

Another great comparison Loyd. Are these on par size wise to the Speedgoat 5? I’ve got the Speedgoat 5 in a size 11 & was unsure whether to go for the same size in the Mafate or go down 1/2 a size

[@robsmith8589]

To me the Mafate seems like the Mach 5 with Vibram. Love the M5 so may get these as my hiking/trail alternative when not on roads.

[@RunningWithSamuel]

Hi Lyod, I'm training for my first 50k trail race and I'm also in the market for a new trail shoe. I purchased the Xodus Ultras based on your recommendation (and absolutely love them, so thank you!). Curious, which would you prefer for race day; Mafate Speed 4s or should i upgrade my Xodus Ultras to the 2nd gen? Thanks for all of the content 👊🏼

[@jamesjhall]

Great review. Thanks Loyd. Would love to see a Mafate v Wildhorse v Xodus2 review please. 👍

[@Run4Adventure]

Glad you enjoyed the video, I'll see what I can do James 👍😊

[@sturmunro]

Thanks, great video!

[@Run4Adventure]

Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏😁

[@ThePaulmasky]

Great video as always Lloyd made my decision for me Mafate all the way looking forward to getting them as been running in inov8s for a number of years now, interested on your opinion on the Tecton x are they any better or are they Mafates with a carbon plate😂. Keep the great work up always use your videos for a source of reference when buying new gear 👍

[@matthieugrosclaude2512]

Fully agree Lloyd : MS4 beat SG5 !!

[@MiniYoshi]

I have both and cannot agree more. The midsole and footshape of MS4 is hands down much better than SG5. Not to say the MS4's outsole is grippier and seems more durable (due to bigger lugs). Don't know why Hoka shoes have pretty big discount in my place year round (SG5 around US$ 95 and MS4 US$105-110), with small difference there is raally no point in choosing SG5 over MS4😂

[@mnoblesavage]

Great comparison thank you! Do the mafate 4 size bigger than the speedgoat 3?

[@GingerApeNutrition]

Mafate’s look awesome! Are they gonna be better than trabuco max2 though for a cushioned trail shoe?

[@custardblaze66]

Hi Loyd, I've pretty much trashed my Xodus Ultra 2s after just 500km which is disappointing as I enjoyed running in them. I'm thinking about the Mafates and wondered how they compared to the Sauconys in terms of cushioning/ride? Prior to the Sauconys I had some Nike Zegamas which I know you weren't a fan of, they were super comfortable though and pretty hard wearing but the high stack height caused one too many rolled ankles, this slightly worries me with the Hokas as they look like a similar stack. Thanks for the great content and it was great to bump into you on the Serpent Trail earlier this year. Cheers, Andy

[@Run4Adventure]

I think the Mafate Speed 4's midsole feels quite similar to the Xodus Ultra 2. It also feels way more stable than the Nike Zegama, the Zegama is lethal on technical trails. Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏😊

[@custardblaze66]

@@Run4Adventure Excellent, thanks very much Loyd.

[@eriktred]

I have the SG5 and it still can't compare to the evo speedgoat. I have 50k coming up and am now considering the MS4.

[@DanCross]

You can get the SG5 for £80 if you shop around. That said, I think it has the worst upper of any trail shoe I've had. It stretches too much and my feet slide in them on downhills. It also rubs my ankle bone if I don't keep stopping and readjusting my laces. Never had a single problem with the previous Speedgoats!

[@ianl4518]

Funny you should say that. I've had multiple pairs of every version of the SGs and I liked the 4s. However, i'm not really getting on with the 5s, the laces feel like cheese wire with that tongue and my feet slide around a bit as well. I have some brand new Xodus Ultras that I will try soon. 🤞

[@vinkic]

same issues

[@timbotee]

In my personal experience the speedgoat would win this head to head. Only because I became injured running the mafate 4s, unsure to what caused the injury from the shoes but the speedgoats got me through all of last summers races including the CCC in pure comfort! However in the later stages of the race (16+hours) they did feel a little flat and didn't feel like they were giving me much spring, but other than that they were great!!

[@graniceprzygod]

What was the injury?

[@mickyward3716]

How is the fit and comfort compared to the new nike wildhorse ? Is the midfoot of the mafate narrow like the mach 5 ? Or does it got a little more volume ? Also is the midsole as soft as the react ?

[@manuel_877]

Good morning Run4adventure and all the runners. Interesting comparison. Like to Loyd. A nice weekend for everyone. ⛰️🏃🌞

[@dominicmcnamara]

Loyd, assuming Xodus2 will win, then you have to compare Mafate4 v Xodus2...... advantage Hoka

[@ericedelman3601]

The Mafate Speed 4 have blown away the Speedgoat 5s. I have run over 200 miles in each shoe and the Mafate by far exceeds the Speedgoat. I did replace the insole of the Mafate but other than that it's been a great shoe.

[@TolunayOrkun]

Lyod, did you ever run with EVO versions of these two lines? EVO Speedgoat is said to be the best of Speedgoats for some. If you used EVO versions how do they compare with these in your opinion? Also, BTW, Hoka just started to use PEBA based foam in their new Rocket X 2 road running shoe. So, maybe a future version of trail shoes will use PEBA foam.

[@randomark9161]

yep i tried the speedgoats and the fit wasnt very good because of the thin tongue, to bad there isnt any mafates at my store. might go for a smaller size speedgoats...

[@klipk7296]

I can appreciate how hoka shoes look, just not on my feet, I wish they had a more muted colour option lmao

[@jsksia2902]

biggest dissapointment for the speedgoat 5 is the durability of the outsole. Lasted for 500Km only. First time i got outsole wear before i got for the Upper part. The SG4 was much more durable. Wondering whether the lighter version outsole on the Mafates its even worse.

[@seanmarshall5475]

Wow now I'm so indecisive on the Hoka or Nike trail shoe your opinion pls. As I'm running 56km ultra trail in May 1st ultra also 😮

[@thepatternforms859]

Which is better for a 200+ mile race?

[@Run4Adventure]

I wouldn't know, I haven't run a 200+ mile race in either of the shoes so it's impossible to say? I personally prefer the fit and feel of the Mafate Speed 4's. Surely if you're taking on a 200+ mile race you already know what shoes you're going to wear? 🤔

[@thepatternforms859]

@@Run4Adventure I have the sg5 currently but lots of people say to try the other

[@jonathanweatherill1029]

First pair of speedgoats 5s about destroyed after 400 miles. What's everyone else getting out of them?

[@stuartgunn5350]

I quite like my SG5s but I can’t see passed my Mach 5s and am hoping the mafate is the trail equivalent?

[@chrismorel1837]

Mafate 4 or Altra Olympus 5? 🤔

[@matt2k2002]

How did the lugs perform on the MS4? I found the Speedgoat lugs wore down quickly. Thinking the MS4 might be my AOA shoe...

[@Run4Adventure]

The lugs are a lot better on the Mafate Speed 4's Matt 👍

[@ankuragarwal9904]

I am looking for a hiking/trail shoe with a wide fit. Your views on Hoka Kaha 2 Low will help.

[@George-lz6ue]

Thanks for this review Loyd, I agree the SG 3 is the best of all time, but will now consider the MF 4 after my current NB FFX More Trail 2 which is pretty comfy.

[@patrickrosello9583]

The mafate has such a more comfortable toe box, higher and larger than my Speed goat 3 ( can't say about the SG5). Just for this I lalready ove the Mafate!

[@michelleharnett1351]

Hmm, I found the Mafate to be a little wider than the Speedgoat. The Speedgoat is kind to my feet but I ended up wearing it on a lot of road/harder surfaces and the sole has not worn well.

[@Run4Adventure]

Unfortunately that will happen to most trail shoes if you wear them a lot on the road Michelle 😕 The rubber is a bit softer on a trail shoe to give you more grip. That means it will wear quicker on the road than a specific road running shoe. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊 Loyd

[@GeoffDavison-k9b]

I've had two lots of SG5's in a wide fit. Anyone know if the Mafate would be OK?

[@KarlBenn]

Do you think the Mafate Speed 4 is a better buy in May 2024 than the Speedgoat 6? Is there a new Mafate due to be released soon?

[@Run4Adventure]

I haven’t tried the new Speedgoat 6 yet so it’s impossible to say Karl 🤷‍♂️ Sorry I can be more helpful but thanks for watching 🙏

[@trailsandbeers]

great review, but has to be speedgoat in wide fit for my fat feet

[@hanseriksand4565]

As a healstriker I feel that the Speedgoat is really good at "rolling over" the foot. I testet the Zinals and felt that they didn't have that rolling motion and was demanding to run in for me. How would you describe the Mafate when it comes to geometry/rocker and rolling over in comparison to the Speedgoat?

[@ericperramond3463]

Hey man - I have both, I think the SG5 has a stronger rocker effect BUT the Mafate SP4 is more stable because it's less rockered. So as a hybrid choice, SG5 if you can get on with that stupid thin, short tongue. Otherwise, for anything "real trail" with rocks, Mafate all the way!

[@hanseriksand4565]

Thanks @@ericperramond3463:)

[@schrottgrenzemedia2194]

Agree 100% but both shoes can’t hang with the Tecton X✌️

[@Run4Adventure]

It really depends on the underfoot conditions, I'm not sure the Tecton X would put perform them in the mud! 👍

[@snowbdr89]

I love the Mafate but sure wish they made a wide version.

[@Run4Adventure]

It is a pretty narrow fitting shoe Jeff! Thanks for watching 🙏😊

[@snowbdr89]

@@Run4Adventure i hope you do a review of the Topo mtn racer 3’s, picked up a pair and love them so far.

[@JaidevYadavDr]

Hi Lyod , kindly do a review on Columbia Montrial Trinity FKT thanks in advance.

[@alredalred]

That's interesting to hear you think it's narrow because I hear some think it is really wide!

[@Run4Adventure]

Which shoe, the Mafate or the Speedgoat? To be fair neither of them are wide fitting shoes. Obviously it comes down to your own foot shape. I’ve tried on and run in 100’s of different pairs of running shoes over the years and I can definitely say that they’re not wide shoes 👍

[@alredalred]

@@Run4Adventure The Mafate sorry! I've read it's similar width to the Asics Trabuco Max 2/3

[@Run4Adventure]

@@alredalred I’d say the Trabuco has a bit more width in the toe box 👍

[@alredalred]

@@Run4Adventure Good to know! I ordered a pair to try and at worst, I'll just return it if it doesn't fit

[@graniceprzygod]

Great video! Who else is waiting for Mafate 4 vs Xodus Ultra II? Please vote with 👍

[@davidpage8147]

Did I miss the final arc video?

[@Run4Adventure]

You missed it David, it's coming soon 👍

[@winnygardiana686]

Which one mafate 4 or speedgoat 6?

[@Run4Adventure]

I answered that question in the video? 🤔

[@jeremygreenwood2668]

Wish Hoka would release the Evo Speedgoat 2 - the original was the best trail shoe of all time imho

[@Run4Adventure]

A lot of runners would agree with you there Jeremy! There were a lot of lovers of the Evo Speedgoat 👍

[@jeremygreenwood2668]

@@Run4Adventure Since posting I've now opted for and purchased the Mafate Speed 4 in STONE BLUE / DARK CITRON 👍 Great Review

[@Flight-of-Life]

You have to try the New Balance Fresh Foam more trail v2. I think it's better than the Mafate. Very cushioned, bouncy and bomb proof.

[@iwasapirateonce1639]

The more trail v2 is a fantastic shoe.. but it is a lot heavier (25%) than the speedgoat/mafate. It also tends to not drain all that well imo. But in terms of comfort and a good wide fit it's hard to beat.

[@Locle.EnzoSaparino]

It too heavy 😢

[@GhettoSuguru]

What's an alternative to the mafate speed 4 that suits wider feet people ?

[@Run4Adventure]

The Speedgoat comes in a wide fit 👍🙂

[@venicebeachsurfer]

What do you all think will be better for a JMT hike?

[@Run4Adventure]

The shoes that fits your feet the best! 👍🙂

[@garthhume]

Mafate vs Xodus please

[@Run4Adventure]

I'll see what I can do Garth 👍 Thanks for watching 🙏

[@andys121.]

Whate about the mafate v the xudos ? Which you prefer

[@Run4Adventure]

It's a close call but I'd go for the Xodus 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏

[@DartmoorPaul]

Oh dear. Are Hoka heading the way of Inov8 making lots of shoes that all look the same which confuses the customer & Hoka end up being master of none?

[@Run4Adventure]

I'm not sure Hoka are as bad as inov8 for this Paul? The Speedgoat and the Mafate feel very different to run in 👍

[@DartmoorPaul]

@@Run4Adventure Another great review Loyd. But did you see Hoka now also have a Challenger 7? Looks like the Mafite

[@Run4Adventure]

@@DartmoorPaul The Challenger is a very different shoe to the Mafate, firmer midsole (not Profly) and its got a smaller lugs on the outsole and no Vibram rubber. The Challenger is more of a cross over shoe for road and trail, where as the Mafate is out and out trail 👍 The only thing that's similar between the two models is the upper design Paul 😊 Thanks for watching 🙏

[@Boardsman18]

Can anyone say whether the mafate speed 4 for hiking in the Austrian alps

[@Run4Adventure]

The Vibram outsole on Mafate Speed 4 would work well for hiking in the Austrian Alps 👍

[@mikehall6433]

Shame its as narrow as a narrow thing.

[@michals2000]

I love your videos but it would be so great if you could speak more calm, quiet (you're almost screaming most of the time) and on a lower pitch.. already after few minutes it starts to be tiring and slightly annoying.. Sorry thats what I feel. Take care:)

[@Run4Adventure]

I'm really sure what you mean and it really doesn't sound like you "love" our videos of you find them so annoying!? Sorry, but I can't help the way I talk and I'm passionate about running 🤔

[@michals2000]

@@Run4Adventure Where did I say they are so annoying?

[@Run4Adventure]

@@michals2000 You said "after a few minutes it starts to be tiring and slightly annoying"

[@michals2000]

@@Run4Adventure i know what I said and your just confirmed it: I didn't say the videos are so annoying but I said you are slightly annoying. This makes a big difference

[@Run4Adventure]

@@michals2000 surely annoying is annoying?

[@Liv-y5h]

D problem is that these companies try to b cool and make ass from recycled crap rather than improve performance n quality

[@Run4Adventure]

?????🤷‍♂️🤔

[@wadetheblade3261]

Your not tying your laces properly

[@Run4Adventure]

I think I've been running long enough to know how to tie my laces but thanks for your concern! 🤔

[@wadetheblade3261]

@@Run4Adventure there's a hole next to the top lace' if you loop it properly it tightens the ankle better' just saying it makes a massive difference

[@Run4Adventure]

@@wadetheblade3261 It's called a runners knot and it really doesn't work for me. I've tried it a few rimes over the years and I find it very uncomfortable. Also the tounge on the Speedgoat is to short to use it! I worked in running retail for 10 years and I've fitted 1000's of pairs of running shoes on lots of different footshape. Obviously I know the runners knot, there's actually several different ways of lacing up your running shoes 👍