Hold your leaders accountable - Dr. Vine and Ted Wilson

[@3angels.Rev.14]

Yes. Hold ALL leaders accountable, including Ted Wilson

[@william19-k4b]

@3angels Rev 14 how will that be done, what measures should members take to fulfill that statement?

[@eulaleereid9591]

Absolutely

[@michaelphiri8638]

You are right.

[@Shanz77]

We are to hold them accountable and that's what Dr Vine was reminding us and when we hold them accountable as they say, they're mad🤦🏾‍♀️are they saying to do as they say and not as they do, come on leaders, swallow y'all pride and apologize to the people. I look straight to JESUS, He's my greatest example. Earthly leaders fail us, turn your eyes upon JESUS, He will never fail us.

[@rayray4192]

Jesus is not your example. He was a Jew

[@craig7031]

Hold them accountable for having ecumenical meetings.

[@ofeliasanchez2603]

Pr. Vine is definitely 100% correct in all statements that he said. Glory to God for him!

[@Sindi-h3f]

Yes, we should hold them accountable, ALL OF THEM

[@thomaspollock-ek4vn]

What a great time to be alive! God's blessings for all.

[@VelmaB1]

Absolutely. Start with the leader of the General Conference, Ted Wilson. He has a lot to answer for. The leaders of God's church must be men of strong backbone and integrity.

[@theclaalbert4532]

I pray he would go back to what he said. may God help him 🙏

[@patrickmwila3609]

Powerful encouragement. Yes indeed, our leaders must be held responsible, although those neglecting the true interpretation will still lead many into destruction. Thanks brother Lawrence

[@CofiBish22]

Yes. All leaders of the .Church should be held accountable just like they would at their place of employment in the secular world.

[@michaelphiri8638]

Yes, we need to hold our leaders accountable starting with the GC leadership. "Take the Scripture as they read," says Ted Wilson in his inaugural speech. Stand firm on the Bible. Dr Conrad Vine made the emphasis.

[@garikayiwamambo]

All leadership should be held accountable for ALL they say and do in private and public spaces for the church and for themselves.

[@stewiefy]

if this is the remnant church, they should hold themselves accountable

[@melodygn]

I've never liked to call ourselves THE remnant...we are PART of a greater remnant scattered all over the world, otherwise we would be arguing that only sabbath keepers will be saved, and we will know that's not true 😅

[@polycarpsmith1419]

@@melodygn ADVENTISTS LIE WHEN THEY TELL YOU *THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AREN'T THE LAW OF MOSES!!* Exodus 34: 27 And the Lord said unto MOSES, *Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.* Exodus 34:28 And he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he (Moses) did neither eat bread, nor drink water. *And HE ( *MOSES* ) *WROTE* upon the tables the words of the covenant, *the Ten Commandments.*

[@CherylJacobs-uz7cm]

I totally agree with pastor Ted so thankful that he is standing firm! Yes we should hold our leaders accountable! If we don't we are selves are being unfaithful.

[@CherylJacobs-uz7cm]

Praise the Lord for what pastor Ted Wilson! Yes we should hold our leaders accountable! If we don't we ourselves are being unfaithful.

[@polycarpsmith1419]

@@CherylJacobs-uz7cm The Adventists want THE ENTIRE WORLD to be under the *"ministration of condemnation written and engraved in stone"* (2Cor. 3:6-7) *as you are!* *That's the SDA mission isn't it?* Be honest. I see, you mean 2Cor. 3:6-7 where the 10 commandments is called *"ministration of DEATH and CONDEMNATION WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES"* *2Cor. 3:7-9* and *the letter that "killeth"* (vs.6) of *the law written and engraved in the tablets of stone!* ( *2 Cor. 3:7* ), called the *"Ministration of DEATH"* , and the *"Ministration of condemnation"* 2Cor. 3:13 And not as *MOSES*, *which put a veil over his face,* that the children of Israel could not stedfastly *look to the end of that WHICH IS ABOLISHED:* 14 *But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.* 15 *But even unto this day, when *MOSES* is read, the vail is upon their heart.* ADVENTISTS LIE WHEN THEY TELL YOU *THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AREN'T THE LAW OF MOSES!!* Exodus 34: 27 And the Lord said unto MOSES, *Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.* Exodus 34:28 And he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he (Moses) did neither eat bread, nor drink water. *And HE ( *MOSES* ) *WROTE* upon the tables the words of the covenant, *the Ten Commandments.*

[@marvetwilliams2097]

So says Bible📖 & SoP📚. They are fully accountable for every act in the Office they are called to Serve..yes Serve.

[@josephgandisannoh7341]

A great sermon from Pst Ted🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@mavisfrancis1425]

WE MUST STAND FIRM ON THE BIBLE AND THE PROMISES OF GOD THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO STAND ON OUR FAITH IN GOD AND GOD ALONE.

[@boutros085]

Why not hold them accountable. No one should shy away from being held accountable unless s/he has something to hide. Only those who want to be accountable should be our leaders.

[@samuelramos8648]

AMEN! What a beautiful inspiring message from Elder Ted Wilson then! Is it being followed today? All leaders from the General Conference down to the local leaders, to be held accountable. The buck stops at the President of the General Conference!!Beth Ramos

[@rayray4192]

It was sickening

[@franklinsitompul6927]

It's hard to be critical of mistakes, because you yourself may make a mistake. And people find it hard to love one another.

[@mauricerose3082]

"Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but Try the Spirits whether they are of God: because many False Prophets are gone out into the World." 1 John 4:1 KJB

[@ShellyRichardson-e7i]

YES, ACCOUNTABILITY is to BE HELD!!!!!

[@ermamalcolm-williams4581]

Yes because everyone should stand for what is right

[@radamus4919]

All of the leaders we should hold accountable!

[@eulaleereid9591]

Yes they are to be held accountable

[@kentonmatthew8711]

All leaders should be held accountable. Our leaders must be transparent. I guess it hurts when we expose our leaders. That's why we must be vigilant.

[@SamUnamani]

My leader is GOD, not earthly human beings...

[@vijaykumargaikwad5508]

We all are accountable for the church and God

[@MarkKübler-n4m]

One more thing to mention! So soon, this psalm will be a true reality, for God‘s true people! Psalm 91 is our psalm! Lift up your heads and do God‘s will, as then, psalm 91 is meant for you! Take hearts and be strong! Hope to meet you in Heaven!!!!!!!

[@marygercke6255]

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. ...... I have heard a pastor of my own say He welcomed correction from the pulpit, but my experience with that pastor was completely different from what he said. He was not willing to hear gentle reproof. ..... In looking at Ted Wilson, he is saying to hold leaders to account, but in practice, when the agenda item came up in GC to be added, He was stern, His countenance was fallen. Especially in comparison to those humbly asking to be heard. (Will they not lift a finger to relieve the burdens of the people? Where is the compassion?)

[@barbarabongers1258]

Amen. Well said! I cried when I witnessed this. Not for me, but for so many unheard people.

[@douglasmorgany9702]

Pr Ted Wilson is only HONOURING God with his mouth Ezekiel 33:31! How did he conduct himself during the so-called Covid-19 pandemic? How many taught the church will defend them against receiving Babylonian injection but were betrayed? How many were thrown out of the church as a result of obeying their conscience against receiving Babylonian poison?

[@FollowGodsWord]

I consider both President Wilson and Dr. Vine loyal servants of God. The General Conference makes many decisions based on vote, so President's Wilson's teachings may express his view more than GC decisions.

[@ChristopherSekantole]

🎉When revelation knowledge emerges sense knowledge flies away

[@tambrabullock]

It depends on your definition of the "Church"... it's not a institution... it's the people who love God in all races, genders, all churches/denominations.

[@destinedbykay4982]

Yes, we should hold them accountable

[@endtimesrevelations149]

If he believes that.!!!..why didn't he stand for the health message during covid he literally threw the church under the bus..don't forget- you cling to the bible pastor......We are in the shaking...

[@emh8867]

Time to move on to preaching the 3 Angels’ messages.

[@1stMikeWhite]

Pastor Ted Wilson prayed for me once and so many blessings fell upon me during that season. God listens to fervent prayers of a righteous man. 🙏🏾🙌🏾

[@morningsideable]

@@1stMikeWhite no ones saying hes not a Godly man. Who would want his job? We have all made mistakes. We need to pray for the leaders. Its only going to get harder with the decisions to be made.

[@1stMikeWhite]

@@morningsideable a lot of people are. They would criticize our leaders without a reason or cause. They don’t understand his importance and somehow think God would make a mistake and put the wrong messengers in change or even think Hod can’t remove anyone Himself anyway. The fact that you even brought that up proves the misinterpretation of the message. I had to say my testimony because it’s truth. Pray for our leaders.

[@aneekar3068]

don't be fooled... Ted is NOT a Righteous man

[@debravelvett8599]

Yes

[@DavidRiley-ye3qw]

Fully agreed

[@burkemclean8997]

Inspiration says before there be compromise let there be bloodshed.

[@FOTAP97]

Sounds good - citation?

[@ronaldopacifico9441]

Be careful brother on how you handle God's church matter. As a faithful SDA member, you should stand for our church and refrain from supporting rebellion against the church administration. This is seriuos matter. God is watching how we deal with the church and will takes us accountable. God have mercy on us.

[@belentobongbanua5564]

Thank you for the enlightenment.

[@IgnitiusSimabuyu]

Indeed

[@naiorioroni2285]

Yes I fully supported

[@rodneysmith3578]

If Pastor Vine felt strong even about this and left the SDA church Conference Organization under the General Conference a LARGE NUMBER of church members would fellow him. We don't want that to happen. I am sure he does not want that to happen. But a large number of people are ready and eager to make it happen. This is God's church. We must not see it split up into smaller groups.

[@df6580]

Unbanned Pastor Vine now! He spoke the truth and that is no reason to ban him. Christian freedom is at stake with the SDA leadership action towards a brother. This was wrong, are they so insecure and not doing what Jesus and the spirit of prophesy requires for these last days? It must be true for this injustice towards Pastor Vine. There will be repercussions for those leaders and the SDA church that support this action against our brother.

[@EmilyMokale]

The blind leading blind 😢. Who doesn't understand Isa 64:6 & Rom 3:23,10. Ted, heavenly teacher = Jhn 14:24, 16:13.

[@buddydrummond]

The Church leaders cannot run away from accountability. The should also pay the consequences of their actions. Self aggrandizement has become a joke in the church. The resources are misused and abused.

[@emh8867]

Holding leaders accountable is not the same as inciting disunity. There are structures in place on how to voice concerns, not sowing discontent, confusion and disunity.

[@rodneysmith3578]

Being accountable: TO SUGGEST TO CREATE ANOTHER ORGANIZATION IF THE LEADERSHIP DOES NOT REPENT IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR. TO SUGGEST TO ORGANIZE AND DIVERT TITHE TO SUSTAIN THIS NEW CAUSE IF NEED BE WAS TO OVER STEP THE LINE. These suggestions came from a leader /pastor of the SDA. The church and it's membership have reacted to it .

[@johanvh35]

You clearly did not listen properly what DR Conrad Vine said did you. There was A caveat clearly outlined.

[@kellyesparza7203]

I wonder if Ted Wilson see’s himself as being exempt from calling out leaders. He’s not my God .

[@rayray4192]

Ted is a proud son of Satan

[@marvetwilliams2097]

My heart is so sad..that Ted Wilson is not the Ted Wilson of these last couple of years. Where did he leave that Spirit guiding him then😭..where did he let go of GOD'S WORD📖📚? Who is guiding President Wilson now?

[@TheAdube]

It seems that Pastor Ted's statement was regarding accountability with respect to biblical teaching and spirit of prophecy.

[@shellydey3730]

What happened, Ted Wilson? You are not practicing what you preached here.

[@rayray4192]

Ted exhorts the captives to read their bibles and in the next breath he quotes Ellen

[@21divel]

It's a difficult question....but justice belongs to the Lord. I don't see how we should hold our leaders accountable using "tithes and offerings". Jesus seemed to commend a poor widow who gave all she had to a system full of corrupt religious leaders who defiled the temple of God and would eventually mandate Jesus' own crucifixion.

[@NateH1984]

I bring up Luke 21/Mark 12 everytime this gets brought up and people always go silent.

[@marygercke6255]

@21divel our sabbath school lesson is very timely this week. Interestingly the lesson has been suggesting readings from the book desire of ages as the correlate to Mark. Even more interesting is that they chose Not to include the chapter "woes on the pharisees." If you read this chapter you will see the very poor application of this passage and how it was divorced from the greater context. Read it for yourself. The pen of inspiration helps us to understand that which others have twisted, and it keeps being repeated. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ AND MEDITATE ON IT.

[@sefatsakhauta2849]

Bilbical Description is never prescription. Christ was not a publickly recognized figure in the church and he was not yet rejected by the system by the way. He allowed also for personal conviction to take place as he blesses motive but in Matthew23:23 he went on to expose the injustices of tithes. By the way some sincere souls Luke8:3 supported Christs minstry directly and never rejected their liberal offerings for that corrupt system. Allow people to practice their discretion as to how to support Gods work

[@21divel]

@@sefatsakhauta2849 If anything in the Bible is perfectly safe to emulate, its Christ. The issue isn't whether a person, if convicted can support a ministry of their choice, it's whether or not to withhold tithe. You won't see Jesus telling anyone or even alluding to someone doing so for any reason. The practice of tithing can't be "unjust".... But the leaders running the church can be.

[@sefatsakhauta2849]

Redirecting and withholding are two differnt things altogether. By the way if we emulate Christ in all sorts of ways without any condition whatsoever. He Jesus had an independent ministry outside the conference which birthed Christianity and it was supported by His sincere followers Luke8:3 shows that he welcomed liberal offerings. So let's allow people to submit to independent ministries and offef there

[@mavisfrancis1425]

What should they hold the leaders accountable for? Listen to the sermon carefully.

[@MarkKübler-n4m]

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ! Please study Isaiah chapter 22 and Vers 22. please listen to what God wants to tell His people! Please study by reading the context referring to the meaning of the the name Eljakim! This is it, God raises up and it is happening right now! As this is it, now we must stop playing church, the End is close, too close not to do it. Let’s surrender to God‘s will Now!!! Today, on the seventh September, on the seventh day of the week, which is the day of the true living God. May God be with us and make us strong now, very strong and very brave! We are Sons and Daughters of the most High! Let‘s stop only talking about the Love of God, now is the time to be it! May God kill us, our own will must die and yet we still have free will and freedom of Joyce! Let‘s make decisions now, decisions in harmony with God‘s will! Dear God, raise us up, so we can show your true character to the world. In Jesus name, i pray all these things. Amen Isaiah 22 Vers 22 ( Eljakim ) Kind regards

[@rodneysmith3578]

Lawrance , Elder Ted Wilson is a man of God .We have yet to hear that from any of your supporters .The SDA church is God's remnant church. SAY THAT TO YOUR LISTENERS!!!!!

[@marygercke6255]

@rodneysmith3578 By their fruit you will know them. He doesn't have to say anything as people can inspect the fruit.

[@rodneysmith3578]

@@marygercke6255 Fruit Inspectors are trained. You might just be looking from afar. smile

[@user-cu6tp4wb6s]

He's the head guy... just saying 🙏

[@rayray4192]

Ted is a son of Satan

[@mammenmathew105]

There's no provision or method to hold them accountable. So your suggestion doesn't make sense.

[@ambiguity4198]

Be like ADL who are super versed in the searching of scriptures and teaching right from wrong. How many verses have you quoted in ur Dr vine content? Zero just speculation and conjecture, James 5 v 19- 20

[@samcotting5538]

Do not be pharisians.... looking for small mistakes...

[@glendamock2041]

Cancelling Dr. Vine is not a small mistake

[@willieshonga3689]

Bro you will become unpopular with these discussions. Present Jesus to people not rift.

[@Doesitmatch]

Sure looks very popish speaking up there in front of all those people hanging on to every word.

[@rayray4192]

Uncle Ted is a proud man going to eternal hell

[@joalguzy]

OK. But do not involve the whole world with church internal affairs bringing discredit to the church and its God given message! Pray and read the Word of God to learn how to deal with internal conflicts among brothers. Our fight is not with flesh and blood.

[@jeanettebent5151]

Dr Vine must be a very happy man to have divided the church.

[@XeniafromAdventistWorldRadio]

As much as I appreciate your videos brother Lawrence, I sure do hope you're also praying for our leaders and not just uploading for content's sake. The Spirit of Christ unites, not divides. Let's pray for that unity that Jesus prayed for in John 17. Since Dr. Vine's videos went viral, so many church members have expressed doubt in the current GC leadership which is interesting in light of the GC session next July. As you said, we are the body of Christ, that is, we are a family. We should all come to that point now where as a family, we address our internal issues within the 'home', no cameras. A husband doesn't does not go around telling everyone else the flaws and mistakes of the wife. That's done within the walls of their home. At a time when we - God's church- are supposed to put a united front, these recent "Dr. Vine videos" have done quite the opposite although much of what he said were some painful truths that should have been "internally addressed". But then again, has his revelation at the camp meeting united the church or caused divisions and raised even more questions? These are just personal observations. Let's pray for our leaders rather than talk about them. Blessings!

[@EverLasting-rg4gl]

Stop the infighting...Seventh-day Adventists forget our MISSION..."Go ye into all the world"... and the 3rd Angels Messages...stop it guy's, what you all doing.is making a mess. It doesn't do anything for the Message.

[@gabrielsuzette8873]

Lorsqu on lit 1 Pierre 1 verset 18 exode 20 verset 20 '21 et autres verset controversé ou pas a mon avis très controversé de dire que la bible a pas de parole controversé c est a se pose des question que l on ne veut jamais se poser

[@gordonward537]

Calm down.

[@douglasmorgany9702]

Why should we base on "Biblical research institute'book" on how to interpret scripture instead of the Holy Spirit 👉Isa 8:20 "TO the Law and to the testimonies if they speak not according to this Word it is because there's no LIGHT in them. (Light being Christ Jn 8:12). Who're these whom form the bedrock of" Biblical research institute? Where in scripture does this Biblical research institute find justification in guiding us in scripture understanding? Is Biblical research institute the work of the "New organization controlled by the educated order of the Jesuits? NB Where the Jews people were before as a nation they perished in 70AD, is where the church is now Matt 24:37-39.

[@rayray4192]

Where in scripture is Ellen? Real Christians don’t have an Ellen.

[@ambiguity4198]

Spread the word of God than to spend ur time harping on about what happened in the past. Let's move on and stop regurgitating on a divisive issue. Stop selling to the enemies of the church gossip ammunition pls,It's not bringing anyone to Jesus, with all due respect brother Lawrence

[@samcotting5538]

These stories are ridiculous... it dirts the Church of Jesus

[@suri6135]

They are true stories which have a great impact on the effectiveness and integrity of the Church , we cannot afford to turn a blind eye to the impurities of the Church

[@rayray4192]

@@suri6135your robes must be spotless. Your self righteousness is a stench to Jesus. Adventists have their own section in hell

[@t81629]

Agree.

[@sefinafeo4709]

You should be hold accountable for what you share on KZbin. You are putting the church down. May God humble your heart and stop using pastors and their sermons for your own gains. You are not doing the SDA church a favour, you are trying to make people to change their minds. I’m in the church because I love God and I want to keep His commandments, so I don’t care if leaders make mistakes, they are human beings as well. “As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, until Jesus comes.”🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Lord, please don’t Let the eyes of those seeking the truth see this. Forgive this man for he doesn’t know what he is doing.🙏🏻

[@royellis8190]

I understanding what you are saying, but at the same time true must be said.... I love your point. I no we must be wise for the kingdom of God.

[@t81629]

He wants views and ad revenue.

[@emh8867]

I agree with what the SDA Church did/said during covid. I personally saw death, lots of deaths. Doing nothing was not an option. More people would have died without any measures. The pandemic was not about worship but about health and loosing lives. The Church did not make any misjudgments about this issue. This is distraction from preaching the 3 Angels’ messages

[@desiday7070]

You need to put your faith in God not man. The bible says " all mans good works are nothing but filthy rags" only God can decide if we live or die, oh ye of little faith, couldn't stand when tested so how are you going to stand when Sunday law is passed, you won't because you have already failed. I am not a Christian but was willing to loose my job because I cannot put my faith in man and allow him to put something inside my body that I don't know what it's made of. Peace ✌️

[@t81629]

Agree.

[@emh8867]

I 100% DISAGREE with pastor Conrad Vine. Anyone who tries to bring their own way or suggestion of restructuring the SDA Church is speaking for him/herself and sowing discontent and disunity. We should be careful on mob mentality and jumping on what seems exciting but very destructive.

[@t81629]

These people have let their politics and pseudoscience overtake their brains. Now calling for the heads of SDA leadership? Conrad lost his mind. I knew something was up when I never seen him smile. He's a political opportunist.

[@AT-IT-Again-7]

Bro Lawrence channel is a the gossip channel

[@t81629]

He's the TMZ of SDA

[@rayray4192]

Why does this baby man talk baby talk?