Laplus Understands Why Chloe Is Quitting...

[@pixelpersonapilgrim]

It's times like this, I'm reminded that Laplus is the eldest of four siblings.

[@Arashi257]

Yeah, being in that position makes the grind almost mandatory.

[@yukishikama6457]

While laplus act like a brat all the time she's also very professional and take her job seriously

[@emchie0184]

@@yukishikama6457 just as she says they're diff people it can't be helped there's someone who can't take those hectic schedule and just want some chill streaming(that's what they apply for from the start) tho you can't blame the company too since hololive get bigger they get a lot of sponsors and events that get them some money and being big idol company is the goal of hololive in the first place hope they make a sub company that focus on streaming maybe they can make those who didn't want /can't take idol hectic schedule just stream and let those who want to be idols be idols(suisei,etc)

[@Tomoki_Robo]

unlike certain blue brat all the way, with little to no professionalism​@@yukishikama6457

[@TriChaser]

It also seems that the amount of work also differ from member to member. I remember seeing a clip of Subaru saying that her manager purposefully became a strict gatekeeper to ensure her schedule remained feasible but Subaru herself often take on extra work just because she wanted to.

[@snowwolf342]

Yeah just like Laplus said, you do have control over the work you take on, but there are just some thing that are mandatory to do.

[@deanthomas2305]

Also throat condition. Remember how Sakamata is a long sleeper and despite her weak throat, she keeps making her voice. She's been having headaches and going back and forth to the hospital.

[@leandroiuki4337]

At 2020 Subaru was sleeping just 3 hour per day.

[@HudaefCares]

​@@leandroiuki43372020? Don't you mean 2022? Subaru mentioned that her busiest year was "two years ago". Also the world was in lockdown in 2020, idk why Subaru would sleep just 3hrs in the year where people weren't allowed to go outside.

[@jemerson12345]

​@@HudaefCaresI think being an extroverted and workaholic are factors to that

[@oak8194]

I'm really glad Laplus could share her thoughts on the matter with us. As the viewers, most of us truly have no idea what really goes on behind the scene and view VTubing to be a lot less hassle than it seems to be, just like her initial view on it. It's unfortunate that some people just could not fit their lifestyle and literally, their physiques, into this job, that only becomes increasingly busy the bigger the company becomes. I'm sad that Chloe is leaving us but glad that she's leaving on a good term, in consideration of her own health and future personal goals. I'm also happy to hear that Laplus could adapt to the workload of being a VTuber, despite her weak vocal constitution. Seeing a member from my favourite gen leaving is quite a big blow, and if Laplus were to leave as well... I don't want to think about it. I hope she's able to balance out her health and work relationship so that she could keep on being Laplus!

[@MetalOverWater]

Yeah I really appreciate La+ straightforwardness. I dont know about the jp side but I hope they didnt take this as her being rude

[@TheRealVordox]

Reminds me that ID Gen 1 has trying to take a long month break since..2021?

[@vanixiii5657]

Chloe was my oshi from this gen and this hit like a prime Mike Tyson gut punch...I'm happy she's prioritizing herself but I'd be lying if I didn't say it hurt like hell reading that announcement

[@k-CapoXXIV]

@@MetalOverWater She unfortunately used to receive a lot of hate from antis for this exact reason. She even brings it up in this clip.

[@oak8194]

@@vanixiii5657 I feel for you. While Laplus is my main Oshi, everyone in holoX is still near and dear to my heart, so it's a pretty big blow to me, too. Let's be happy that she's off on a good term and that there are still opportunities for her return on certain occasions just like Ame in the future!

[@meongskia]

As far as we know, the girls need to do these things: -Scheduled vocal lesson -Scheduled dance lesson -JP class/lesson (for non JP talent) -another lesson (e.g Voice acting or something else) - Recording for projects (group or individual) such as: Songs, voice pack, pre-recorded video/clips, etc. -Several meetings (online & offline) with staff or related parties for their projects. -Merch related stuff (esp with their signature, and then ship them back). -Tons of paperwork (weekly/monthly report, project proposal, etc) -Holo event (Concert, meet and greet/panel, cafe, etc) -Also timezone exist, they need to adjust their sleep and work schedule because they're literally work for Japanese company from overseas. -and ofc streaming. (also they need to deal with tech issues and all the prep for their own set up, esp after 3D showcase). p.s: Don't get it wrong, for a company this kind of work is normal (don't compare it to Indie vtubers). Even tho it looks like it's a lot, they also have staff and managers to help 24/7. Also Cover always gives its talents freedom and space to grow, and a lot of benefit for the talents (free dance/vocal lesson, free tickets to JP, etc idk). Please don't make unnecessary hate or something to the corp. Let's just keep supporting our oshi because they all deserve it.

[@grilledflatbread4692]

I wonder how much this applies to EN side

[@Maserbeam]

​@grilledflatbread4692 literally all of it, with personalizations of course. but the ones that make sense to be reduced are vocal and dance lessons. vocal, they can opt into. an example being Fauna didn't have a vocal coach until a bit later. dance, i think they get help when holofes starts turning the corner, so they have to be in Japan for that. i don't really hear about non-holofes dance lessons if an EN talent is outside of JP, someone can correct me on that if so.

[@Fulikia]

Thanks for listing it down, far easier to understand

[@LopsidedMoz]

Good breakdown, people often speculate what "homework" means

[@Ong.s_Jukebox]

This makes me think that corporate vtubing *IS* a profession.

[@marinda653]

Laplus being understanding and kind as always

[@pathos3542]

"Someone who streams at home" does describe most VTubers. Hololive is next level though, and you're doing concerts and events and sponsorships and recordings and streaming from the stuido etc. etc. etc. in addition to streaming from home. It's not for everyone, and it's understandable that Chloe (and Ame and Aqua and likely more in the not-so-distant future) might want to do something else after years of the Hologrind experience and the increasing variety of work they have to do.

[@Kolbjornelenano]

"more in the not so distant future" more like just some hours later 😢

[@bluelit9281]

Fuc....yea, i can see a few potential incoming...just hope it will not come to that. Sad Uuuuuu.....

[@anbi7418]

To be honest, this is why I've been drifting away from Hololive. The only part I really care about is streams. All the concerts, songs, recordings and whatever - for me these are just distractions. I've realised that there plenty enertaining vtubers that are much more laid back because they don't have the kind of pressure that is put by Hololive. I was very sad that Fauna is graduating. But now I view it differently. If she decides to continue streaming - under whatever name - then honestly, not that much will change for me.

[@pathos3542]

​@@anbi7418 Support creators not companies.

[@IceLancer115]

@@anbi7418 Drink some lemonleaf tea.

[@dangoknight1700]

"Leader, we've found the closest job to world domination! You see, there's this comedian group..."

[@MakotoTheKnight]

I like this perspective. We as fans only really see the end product (streams, lives, Fes, music, etc) and only hear about this other thing through the _absence_ of those things above (can't participate in a steam project because too busy, can't participate in a concert because sick, etc). What's even more valuable is that the company can (and will) adjust things for the talents to make it as equitable as possible for everyone, but La+ has the right take: you've gotta do the work or the company is in trouble. It's important for us to recognize that everyone works ridiculously hard to entertain and put a smile on our face, and it's not a cakewalk either. The talents are getting support through these challenges and they're making the best decision for everyone involved when doing it.

[@EvaFuji]

I don't want that kind of entertainment if Chloe or anybody else is suffering lol.

[@brandon-qc1ul]

True, but there are some people are mad/upset and disappointed feeling like she betrayed them that she will be no longer streaming in the future next year. It like these people feel like they are entitled to her like she has an obligation to pay or repay them in some unhealthy way rather than being happy for the memories supporting her throughout those 3 years spent with Chloe having fun streams and idol events. Whatever her decision is all we can do is just wish her the best in life and respect her wishes and hope that she will come back in some way when she wants to in the future. (Like our Onion gamer maid has done recently)

[@MulchBucket]

@@brandon-qc1ul yeah, those people (mad/upset) are sick in the head.

[@MakotoTheKnight]

@@EvaFuji On sentiment, no one should work through strain, but by putting it so succinctly, you overlook details and polarize responses by implying fault or blame. (The key word was 'suffer' and that's a really strong way of putting this, which makes it sound like it's Cover's fault.) It's been said multiple times that no one is at fault here, and the groups involved reached that decision amicably.

[@brandon-qc1ul]

@@MulchBucket That is what people call people with Parasocial relationships with their Oshi in an unhealthy/toxic way. (It does happen with celebrities and JP IRL idols also etc.) As they say "Nothing last forever in life" some famous KZbin streamers that stream for almost 10 years now will retire & move on with their life at some point, and to see people get so angry over their favorite content creator leaving the platform and focusing on the negative feelings in the moment and not cherishing the times spent to end up attacking their favorite content creator because they can't accept that things will never be the same as it used to. It's just as sad and sometimes immature to see some people do this to the people they follow because they are thinking more about themselves (Being selfish) rather than understanding & respecting the creator's perspective/how it is to be on their shoe if the same thing happens to them.

[@hintobento]

I appreciate how honest and straight forward la+ is with her feelings

[@Slayerthecrow]

Makes me appreciate Chloe a bit more, She had a frail body and still tried her best. I hope she gets better.

[@iiiCorrosiveiii]

Its times like these where i realize why Laplus is the leader of holox. Shes quite in touch with how things work and well spoken when serious topics come up while still keeping the actual chat light and easy to absorb.

[@yukishikama6457]

We forgot how serious she is cause she almost never drop her brat facade

[@moondust2365]

​@@yukishikama6457 Tbf, it's probably not even a facade. People just have different sides to them that show up depending on who they're speaking to or what situation they're dealing with...

[@urayahayahauraAAA]

i still remembered when she had to go on a long hiatus cause she was too stressed Glad she's doing it ok now

[@Miruk4]

Most people when talking about this would probably be vague or beat around the bush, but what I like about Laplus is that she'll just be honest. "Yeah my work is fine for me tbh, but I could see how it'd be worse for someone with different circumstances", not something most members would just say outright.

[@avsbes98]

Yeah, while i consume La+ only through clips as i sadly don't know more than a few words of Japanese, i've always had this feeling that she's among the most... open people in the industry, with the only other agency vtubers i can think of that are as open about behind the scenes stuff and their concerns being Kiara and Vshojo's Geega and Michi Mochievee. I mean, i recall a clip from a few months ago when people were asking the Hololive Girls who they would recommend new people watch as their first introduction to Hololive and La+ was the only one whose answer was a clear "not me", as she thougt that she might scare new people off.

[@TheJjcczz]

@@avsbes98Michi, Matara, and Kuro have all talked about their experiences working for Niji and how different it is working for VShojo. However VTuber agencies are all different, so you won’t know what you’re really getting into unless you get accepted and they show you the contract. Hololive is the biggest VTuber Agency and with so many talents not everyone is going to have the same goals, Cover can’t grow the company in a way that suits everyone’s goals. Coco for example wanted to really push the envelope in terms of what content she could get away with online, however Cover wasn’t able to accommodate her because that kind of content would reflect negatively on the company, other talents who wanted a more brand/family friendly image, and members who wanted more of an idol image. As the company continues to grow Cover will have to make decisions that best suit the majority of the talents while doing their best to accommodate the talents the decision doesn’t suit. However there will always be talents they can’t fully accommodate like Coco, which is why they told Coco she had an open invitation to attend certain special events if she wanted and told fans that she would still appear in HoloAlt, Ame was the first talent to take that offer seriously and remain an affiliate with Chloe now following suit. This really is the best outcome because it allows talents to follow their own goals without fully abandoning the character and career they created

[@Keithrone]

​@@avsbes98Out of topic, about that recommendation question. I've seen the clips but none of them gave genuine answers, I'm quite curious tbh about their pov about this.

[@Ashreihn]

I guess they don't wanna start anything amongst each other if they suddenly go like "This person is the best" or "Me". ​@@Keithrone

[@Ewan3926]

She's also very open about leading a secret society with the goal of world domination.

[@k-CapoXXIV]

Man, I'm so glad Laplus decided to talk in-depth about this situation out of her own experiences. It's conversations like these where you can see she's a lot more conscious and responsible than she lets on. If there's anyone in holoX who will be completely sincere and tell things for what they really are, it's definitely Our Dark. She had it really rough on her first year because of burnout, low self-esteem and ESPECIALLY all the antis who kept undeservedly harassing her to the point of death threats, so it's nice to see she managed to emotionally recover from that overtime. Seriously, nobody would have blamed her if she graduated, that's how bad things were for her back then. And ever since then, the hate against her has slowly but surely decreased a lot even though she's unfortunately still one of the more disliked members. Despite all the work and her own health issues, you can see she's a lot more well-adjusted and happy to be where she is nowadays, an improvement that's great to see from the perspective of someone who can genuinely relate to her in many ways. And she has no plans of graduating anytime soon, so here's to many more years of Laplus to come.^^ 💜 Also, thanks a lot for translating this. Laplus rarely gets clipped and this talk must be heard by the fanbase.

[@ForteEXEMaster]

I didn't know there was a significant minority that dislikes her? Why?

[@jkler490]

​@@ForteEXEMaster Yea same, I guess I've been living under a rock. Since when did people hate on Laplus?

[@linhnguyen3142]

@@ForteEXEMaster I think it's because she has always been honest and straightforward even with sensitive topic like this. So antis have chances to twist her word. Also, her collab with male streamer might be another reason.

[@tavarriesg1]

@@jkler490 I think the dislike started when she wanted to try to stream on twitch and just do shorts on youtube which pissed off some people.

[@jkler490]

@@tavarriesg1 ooh I see, makes sense but I really like her shorts tho. Even though I can't understand Japanese, the shorts are generally quite funny

[@the_prince_ice]

And to mention Chloe and management did their best to adjust for a long time. It just didn’t work out. Chloe needs her own path to pursue. Which may be sad for all but best for her.

[@TyrantWesker]

I'm sure she'll do well as an indie, having the flexibility to take things at her own pace. It's worked out for the others who left this year, after all!

[@ToasterDsG]

​@@TyrantWeskerEvery talent thats left has gone indie in one way or another; and are doing fine, including the male talents. So hopefully we'll catch Chloe on the flipside

[@Kijikame]

There’s a quote by Pekora, she said “I only want you guys think that I’m only do streaming and nothing else” but the reality they have other works outside streaming, afterall Cover is not just a normal vtuber agency, but an idol agency. Sure back then their main activities was streaming because they are still finding their path to actually become an idol agency, but right now its crystal clear they are not only a vtubers. They are idols, some of them treated as real celebrities, influencers and even icon in Japan. I’m not really that shocked if the OG (up until 3rd gen) will pull the trigger anytime. The pillar talents seems already choose their new succesor to fill in their shoes. Ready or not the new talents will have to be ready to be the next pillar of hololive.

[@velfare]

Can't imagine the amount of work pekora did in 2023, i would probably give up half way

[@andrewadhiatma7037]

If you kept that mentality, yeah. Guess a lot of the OGs would soon leave Hololive. But WHY NOT just accomodate BOTH? Those who wants to gung ho on Idol stuffs can do it, and those who just want to be more chill and more focused on streaming also can do it? It's a win win solution for both parties.

[@rm9346]

I am glad Asmongold talks about this regularly. Being a streamer seems like a dream job, just like being a Hollywood actor. But it is one of those jobs that you get out what you put in; the big streamers are pushing out 60-100 hours of content a week to grow and stay on top. The talents in Hololive grow by putting in many hours behind the scenes. It's closer to a rat race, where you start counting the hours in a week, and running out. I worry for all the talents.

[@dedoyxp]

I dont think the OG will go anytime soon, they love the job and know too well about the job to go away... because they probably already went away if that is not the case

[@haoumazin343]

@@andrewadhiatma7037 The thing is, if you want to focus on streaming, it's much better to go indie. You don't have to worry about perm, for once.

[@gegeji6442]

While overall sad that chloe will leaves I still have kinda chuckle at the fact that the first member to leave HoloX was the intern. It's like the intern getting overworked and leaving jokes writes themself.

[@Lianpe98]

What do you mean she was the intern? I don't know much about HoloX other than a few clips here and there.

[@Aeriaa81]

@@Lianpe98 It’s in her lore. HoloX is a secret organization with 5 distinct role, with Laplus as the leader, Iroha as the bodyguard etc. Inside this organization Chloe was the intern !

[@gegeji6442]

@Lianpe98 chloes lore is that she is simply an intern at HoloX responsible for fixing and cleaning. So the joke is also kinda she never got paid by lapluss since she is just an intern and not fully employed at HoloX.

[@roobilyne603]

@@gegeji6442 yeah, it's a bit amusing for me, how lore accurate it is xD Let's call it next level role immersion. At least that's how im coping for the lost

[@Duplucky5]

Yeah, I remember Laplus, not too long time after her debut, shares somes concerning tweets about suffering a lot from her job, having bad mindset and so on that I was thinking she would be the first one to graduate in HoloX. But she never gave up, even after the dramas she had to deal with and here we are : she is still here but it's Chloe who is leaving first.

[@Dogwater3]

Great primary source explanation and I also got to understand what she's saying. Thanks for the clip/translation brev.

[@funnzbeckk9565]

Ah she touched on some really interesting things. The challenge of being an agency vtuber, let alone one of the most affluent agencies that has ever existed. Let's not ever fault anyone for wanting to move on. I never got to watch chloe that much because of the time zone and i don't understand japanese, but ive always loved her music. Thank you for the words YMD!!

[@Raidanzoup]

I remember getting into hololive at the end of 2020 and by early to mid 2021 I felt it was really weird when people talked as if what we saw on stream was all the holomem did.

[@Darknessyouroldfriend]

Gotta say, I admire the dedication to upholding the Kfaybe

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

Really appreciate JP side doing their best to try and keep people calm during this whole thing

[@ToxinStorm]

Sasuga Leader of HoloX

[@IshimurA99]

Based on Laplus's story, we can see that Chloe is a person with a weak constitution and also sleeps a lot due to fatigue. the fact that she had to stream for the past 3 years in such a state make me worry about her, and through this, I can probably understand why she rarely bathes and cleans the house 😭 I hope she gets enough rest to stay in good health

[@serghonest9]

"You're not overworked. You're just weak!"

[@laplace8461]

wait 3 years?? insane

[@Handleoriginal12]

The lack of bathing was because of a haunting of I recall correctly

[@yezki8]

​@@Handleoriginal12yes, she was haunted

[@skyzero27]

now, the orca finally can go bath every day..we cant sniff more the orca 😭

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

How is this little alien with her sights set on Earth be so... down to Earth? She's like Invader Zim but without the inclination to call everyone she meets "FOOLS!"

[@kaos1109]

I just really want to give them headpats for all their hard work!

[@ARIEFRAMDHANI02]

It's So Impressive She Able to talk about it while still in character. That Was truly a respected speech of evil leader in Hololive

[@cheeseburgerpaladin]

I can't tell you how pleasantly surprised I am at the work ethic of these girls. One could guess there was a lot more work for them than they let on but it turns out being a virtual idol is way tougher than it seems.

[@terrabranford7485]

I want to thank Laplus for reassuring us. First time I feel obliged to respectfully give Laplus a "Yes My Darkness" as leader of HoloX.

[@anhkduc7930]

There's a reason she's the leader and not Lui tho, although Lui is the wisest and most experience out of the group. Laplus is insightful and convincing when things get serious

[@Thomas_K7799]

Thanks to Laplus, I think I've got a better picture of the current situation at Hololive. I hope the remaining girls are not pushing themselves too hard. 😥

[@vvaleddy]

Management also needs to wake up and turn around this situation. Take care of the talents before they break.

[@JEM_Tank]

It varies a lot talent to talent, Laplus said she's busy a lot of the time because of what she wants to do, but then you have one's like Bae and Subaru where their managers have to basically hold them down to stop them from doing more stuff sometimes. Then you have Gura who seems to take seasonal breaks from streaming to focus more on the more idol side of stuff and then you have the more streaming, less idol members like Mumei who occasionally shows up in singing, mainly in group stuff, though would stream consistently. It's hard to attribute the situation of one talent to another because of how different they can be with what they want to do.

[@GIandringg]

Yeah, we love to be entertained by them, but most of us just wish the best for them, and their health and hapiness should always 500% come first

[@SeanCrosser]

​@@vvaleddy implying that they don't know, or are not taking care. Managers are also doing their best, while also being practically invisible to our side. If there's one thing I know about talents, it's that most of them would not be able to do what they do without a good manager.

[@MadeUnavailable]

@@vvaleddy they're already doing the best that they can. I mean ask calli and fbk's managers these two are the extreme workaholics of hololive to the point that management has to force them to take a break and you have more of them, most of the talents are workaholics even kiara and polka thinks about their work and they are on their vacation and most of them are like this.

[@roguenoise2718]

And now Fauna also going graduation too, today announcement

[@W4ng4n470r]

With great power comes great responsibility.

[@-Raylight]

*"Hataraitara Make(If you work you lose)"* -Lapsama, probably Glad Lapsama found her place and be comfortable in what she's doing! Guess her cells are working hard to support her, Cells at Work white? xD

[@yuruminee]

Hugs and love for La+

[@bequiet-and-drive]

thank you for translating this stream. her words really help you understand what is going on with the talents that are leaving

[@ekthepro]

I love the honesty. Its honesty like this that can calm down the fans and stop the speculation. Hololive should do more of these and be as transparent as possible!

[@imjustaghostO.O]

that’s why I admire Hololive talents so much and respect them they all work so much just on basis and on top of that they come up with creative personal projects!! they put so much effort into everything they do I love that especially since my lazy ass sleeps for 9-11hours a day,does minimum of work and sits at home😂 this type of work style and life isn’t for everyone and I appreciate Laplus speaking up about it, she’s so real

[@Kuun0]

Laplus spoke very well on this subject.

[@hayatekuroyuki4799]

1st years before getting 3D models, the concept of work behind computer is valid for Hololive members but after getting 3D models the real works begin

[@MaxKnight007]

Laplus with her mature perspective while still being in kusogaki vibe

[@Hikaru97Kurosaki]

Thank you for cliping this, and thank you Laplus for explaining things in a simple and direct way. I hope a lot of people will watch this to understand, instead of saying 'omg black company'

[@MikShin]

Their schedule is such a mess, but I didn't know it's just like a rush hour every now and then. And Laplus says it was right after the beginning. But then after you become more popular it gets even more tense. Now I get Raora saying she enjoys streaming as much as she can till it's possible. And now I think I get those who graduated already, It's tough after so many years. You change, the goals of the company change and if you can't adapt you leave. I've heard it at least three times this year but thanks Laplus I can now imagine why it goes like this.

[@MikShin]

And now it hits fourth time... Only yesterday I've seen down here it's up to a talent to take on a job or not and that is not going to influence a talent critically. The examples were for Subaru and Fauna... As of today, we see the consequences of the choice. You disagree to participate in the events and you're not welcome anymore. Becoming an affiliate also requires you to attend those events, but only big ones, I think. It hit me hard to see Fauna's stream saying hi to all saplings. It was a message behind, though sometimes her goofy activities could be this way. But not this time, it was quite strange all of a sudden... Fauna unfortunately is the most underrated holomem in EN Gen2 (after Sana...) who couldn't reach a million subs. Gen2 was the most balanced and favorite for me. Now this balance is pretty much destroyed. My kamioshi though is Bae and I cherish her way to become an idol moving closer to her dream. Now when everything collapses so fast it will be so much over for me to see that announcement one day. I know it's inevitable in the end, but I don't want it to happen so fast, though three years is quite long. Seeing Gura and Mumei absent thinking they're too busy to stream is also kinda disturbing and warning though time showed they were back nonetheless, but time flows, and you never know what to expect next. Sorry if it was so much off-topic.

[@TierHarribel]

Starting to realize why Gura basically has "quit" at this point

[@kiosy8]

Thank you La+!

[@TheLimzz]

imagine those popular members work schedule be like, even aqua gave up, props to the girls that still stream regularly.

[@ChunkyOreo]

Thank you for keeping it real Lap-sama. Now i see, "just be a streamer / vtuber, it's so easy you just talking and the money comes" of course it's so easy haha.

[@触れない軽井沢恵]

Yeah, it seemed hard for Chloe with all the health issues she couldn't avoid, still they have been great years, glad she was in HoloX also, chemestry was so good.. I hope at least with someone collabing a lot outside like Lap-sama they will have a second first encounter, after of course she recovers, if she really wants to take the indie challenge herself tho and not change completely

[@Crytica.]

So TLDR: Hololive is a fair but hard workplace. You can achieve great things but your work is not defined by an 8-5 mentality. It's not made for everyone and you have to be able to juggle a lot of things. From amazing concerts and loving fans and probably the best connections in the scene to lack of sleep, irregular working hours, and haters/anonimity 24/7. Aside from this, I can definitely see that this is not a workplace for everyone. With the amount of people entering Hololive, which seems to increase each year as it's growing and branching out. I can definitely see that a lot of members will find their limits and either decide to quit or change things up. It's not fun when a member leaves but there are a meriad of reasons as to why they come to a decision, and apart from Mel(Which is a topic in and of itself), it seems this year all the girls had good talks with Hololive before both parties respectively came to the conclusion in the end. that it was time to leave as a member. No hard feelings tbh. Don't take your oshi for granted because it's still a workplace and members come and go.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

The average lifespan of Vtubers is 3 years. HoloX is having their 3rd year anniversary. Hololive is on the 7th going 8th. Members will leave. It's not necessary a bad thing for them wanting to move on to the next chapter of their lives

[@hunzukunz]

nah. hololive is still a typical japanese company. not as bad as others, but still kind of bad. if getting enough sleep is becoming an issue, then something is seriously wrong.

[@Crytica.]

@hunzukunz Enterainment is always known for itregular hours and bad sleep schedules. This is not a Hololive or Japanese specific problem.

[@Vastfill]

To put it simply, Hololive makes idols that stream. Just think about a contracted singer and everything they have to do, then add streaming multiple times a week. Yeah, lots of work no doubt.

[@Crytica.]

@mikelshuo9071 this is a take

[@pirajacinto4]

This was a wonderful video to see that applies to not just Chloe but all of Hololive right now. Especially with a VERY recent announcement just now, I bet this seriously applies to her as well.

[@hobojoe357]

Sounds like they might be at the point of being overworked, with so many leaving and the expression of having no free time coming up here and there.

[@franks777_KFP]

Jup. That's why i dont like when people say 'this is in every company' or 'this is normal '. It's been normalized, even though it's not good for the girls and likely not good for the company in the long term. We can only hope they realize this and they are given more breathing room.

[@DaimonAnimations]

I can relate to Vtubers, as an Animator, we always got hate when movies or t.v.shows when the animation is not 100% perfect or it looks bad, we get all the hate, Hollywood throws us under the bus. People don't know that bad VFX or Animation is not because of the artists, you get hired only if you have good skills in your art, the problem comes from the clients themselves, they want to make changes last minute, they don't understand about VFX or Animation, they don't listen to the Animation directors and supervisors. Studios listen to the client (Hollywood) not the artists, the movie or show sucks but we get all the blame and hate, then a Movie becomes extremely successful and they sell it with the "We didn't use VFX nor Animation its all practical". And that's the lie, practical FX was always there. The reason is, VFX and Artists were given enough time to finish our shots, there were no "last minute changes" and clients (Directors) did listen to our Animation Directors, still we get thrown under the bus by saying "we didn't use VFX or Animation, its all practical" They denied our efforts, hate continues to grow against us, they push A.I. as the solution, A.I. is just a tool, it won't make it better than Artists, they sell the idea A.I. is better than artists, it wont. Its bad management from the heads not even A.I. can fix their bad management. Talents get strained and we work Overtime hours, no weekends off, no vacations, everyone still hates us. We lost our jobs and A.I. steals our work. Vtubers, eventually will get replaced with A.I. that doesn't get tired or their voices get strained. Support your artists and Vtubers because with out Artists there's no Vtubers and with out Vtubers we'll get bland A.I.

[@dvdantunes]

I'm not an artist but I felt your words. it's such a shame that we live in a society 😢

[@Ha_ppy1]

This is exactly why I hate when people complain about bad animation in anime. Most anime is weekly so animators only have a week to animate and it can sometimes be bad because of that. I’m not really an artist but I do draw sometimes so I can understand how AI is bad. You can spend a lot time drawing or doing something but then your work gets stolen and AI replicates it. It can feel really frustrating

[@AshEshyr]

@@Ha_ppy1 while i get the sentiment, anime being weekly DOES NOT mean its animated in 1 week, thats physically ridiculous for humans. anime is worked on way before its released, and ideally it should be finished before it even starts airing.

[@Ha_ppy1]

@ I didn’t know that. But then why do some episodes get delayed sometimes if they might already be finished?

[@AshEshyr]

@@Ha_ppy1 because even if shows are *supposed* to be finished production before they start airing, that doesn't eman they always are for multiple reasons like poor scheduling or upper management forcing deadlines before something is ready. I believe most anime start production at least a year before they air, or soemthing around that. each episode is at least a couple months of work. in the cases where shows are only delayed for a couple weeks while they are airing, most of the episode's productio would probably have been finished already and its only certain things that aren't yet. i dont have any for sure answers since i dont work in the industry, but a guess might be shading on inbetween frames, or audio mixing for the sound fx and voices could not be finished for an episode or something like that.

[@sh1r0.n3k0]

The demand for Hololive nowadays is really crazy compare to their early years. Laplus doing a great job to explain it here. This is something that inevitable but I think Hololive is really need to think a more creative way for some talents that just purely want for streaming, with less responsibility for IRL work.

[@IchirosanSSRB]

I’m feeling eased after watching this, thank you! ❤

[@Capikkk35Comet]

Make me think of how Miko and Suisei be able to handle many project this year like HoloGTA,Sololive,New Song,New Album and many more..Sasuga my oshi 🌸☄️

[@idleeidolon]

This is what Biboo was talking about during her first year. She warned everyone that she'll use her first year to stream as much as she can before the "idol duties" and studio work kick in.

[@commentofthis]

Hearing these 'backstage' things made us realize just how big Hololive has become, thus more workloads outside their original raison d'etre, which is streaming & idoling (haters are just the cherry on top, nothing special imo) Looking back, some of them do have similar concerns on how Hololive have 'changed' in recent years, and not as they initially wanted to be part of (A-chan & Ame actually mentioned this matter for quite a while before they decided to step down), we also know that most of Holomems are in fact shut-in introverts, not really a 'working' type, it is what it is, i guess Chloe's decission seems came from the fact that she's also not into working routine (non-streaming), as we all know what kind of lifestyle she had, let's just send her off properly & wish the best for her, it's the only thing we can do anyway, as usual o7 And the way Lap-sama handles this matter reasonably as to not cause too much sadness & disappointment within the community, it's admirable👍😌

[@RicKo5896]

A-chan left due to family reasons, not due to the workload.

[@dgreater1]

Lap+ finally feeling the heaviness of IDOL works... nah, it's just her finally realizing how heavy her BEEEEG horn is

[@Raul_27]

I understand too. Streaming is not the main focus anymore. It's clear as day now.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

You must be new. Holo was never a streaming focus. Back in the days Holo was the "idol" company and Niji was the "Streaming" company. It was clear since Holo founding member Tokino Sora joined the company with "desire to debut as an idol". Plus Yagoo vision of Hololive is that of AKB but in Vtube. Streaming was never the main focus

[@Arthirias]

True. There needs to be some planning, though, or this rift will become much larger as time goes on, and talent will be lost to indie routes or competition.

[@Raul_27]

@ So the streaming and the EN branch was just to reach overseas. Sadly for him, popularity and people’s interest isn’t permanent.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

@@Raul_27 You must not be new, you must be NDF. At least Hololive still has EN branch that sell out concerts and not cancelling them. Hey have you heard Dokibird just got nominated for a bunch of awards. "Vtuber of the year', "Best FPS Vtuber", "Best Event", and "Most dedicated fanbase".

[@xander0901]

@@ArthiriasSo I actually don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing for talents to take other paths that better suit their goals. If Holo’s focus is on music production and performance with streaming as a secondary aspect, that’s perfectly fine. One company shouldn’t cover all aspects of the industry anyways. It’s better to have competition and options.

[@Nematoda4ever]

makes me remember when they do big collab with suisei and others, Chloe who are part of it cannot join because health issue. from this i realized that she really had weak constitution, moreover for past few month she stream less and less. lets send her off with a smile, and pray she become better and can pursue her goals out there. also lets hope she gonna appear in the future of hololive project with other HoloX.

[@SparklingSapphire_Tv]

To tell you the truth, it hurts bad, but it does make sense at the same time This lifestyle will drain you down to nothing from what I am aware of the queen orca has had health problems for a while even with the less workload it’s just not getting better so this does make sense I don’t think she’s going to completely disappear off the face of the Internet who knows she might come back as an Indie. And I’m completely OK with this. It hurts because she is my favorite of that group. But in a long-term, it makes sense that she just can’t keep up. It does really suck that her graduation is two days before my birthday. Maybe I need to get that hoodie sooner than later….

[@SparklingSapphire_Tv]

I’ve already seen some people saying oh cover core is toxic or she doesn’t care And I put my foot down. I’m putting this in this comment because of how popular this channel is just to put out the truth. This is because of the queen orcas health both physical and mental this lifestyle completely drains you and remember idols are still people This is not like that other agency cover core really does care about everyone that works under them 😅 In all of the graduations I have seen none of them have been malicious aloe Coco sana Etc., etc. All of them have been for the right reasons. None has been intentionally disheartening and malicious. The queen orca is just retiring from being an idol. I don’t think she’s done with streaming or being a Vtuber.

[@KevinWillyPratama]

La+: Are you all right? KnockbackYveltal: Yeah. La+: Please take that diamond shard with you, Yveltal. Right? Lui: Yeah, that would be good. KnockbackYveltal: Let me know if you find anything similar. Come on, Chloe-sama KnockbackYveltal: [to himself] What's going on?

[@rhodesailant9728]

Its still hurt even we know this is just new start,.. i just cant imagine this shit happen many times this year 😭

[@mikebmcl]

Really good clip, thanks!

[@venguiJR17]

Un festival de factos de factos. Ella a pesar de todo, se acostumbró a una cosa que desde afuera parecía divertido y chévere por el tema de trabajar en casa, pero trabajar en Hololive no es tan fácil como parece.

[@Aryazaky]

Understandable. Thank you for translating!

[@sadjagaimo6090]

Using this to link with the "management disagreement", there could be new policies in the company and some talents are not ok with it. As a fan, it is heart wrecking.

[@HY_user-cw4fw7rb2q]

Goodbye, Chloe...

[@kblacksheep8618]

Well, considering this I feel I can understand why many are leaving from hololive...

[@shinyou1623]

Man... I don’t watch Hololive, but I love Chloe’s character design so much and I like her too(judging from the clips I’ve seen) I hope that people continue creating her fan art at least.

[@fjrinf]

chloe... and now fauna...

[@tea_otomo]

More work in combination with health issues is just problematic, everyone would probably do it

[@Maestro..]

This video hits especially hard after Fauna's graduation too... 🥲

[@BerCamero-u7z]

Don't u ever give up on us Laplus sama

[@tenkuken7168]

They been working them like mappa animators 😢

[@ZynkOxhyde]

Good thing Laplus telling these in character.

[@RiverNeo]

Sounds like a burn out, damn thats rough

[@prowse321]

Im really glad because this is what im thinking of the recent graduations, only i think its foolish of yagoo not to make a streaming unit instead of graduating

[@accuset]

Yeah, I'm realizing it's basically working two jobs.

[@Mikazuki_Augus]

I hope laplus wont quit soon because when she did im done

[@oqf17pdr]

I love how she still going with the secret society lore 😂 But real talk, I wish for all of holomem to get a better rest. Because as I can read from HoloID twitter, it just an endless waves of homeworks...

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

4:38 the workload is up to the talents

[@Arthirias]

I was hoping the joke of: "maybe we should have paid the intern" would have been thrown in..

[@namleist]

kaela's endurance is absolutely monstrous considering she had to do other stuffs beside streaming

[@GoodOleDFT]

​​@@namleist Indeed, but the moment someone decides to impose work over her gaming endurance, it's not hard to see her bouncing out.

[@Tahlalin]

La+, like Chloe realizes that people will attack and hate on Cover when it's a two way street and sometimes you cannot meet in the middle. It is a brutal lifestyle and not all can hack it.

[@Hoodspirit]

They can adjust contracts for people who want to focus on streaming. If they wanted to keep them they would. It's a management decision first and foremost unless the talent wants to leave outright because she sees better opportunities elsewhere.

[@ZeptoZeno]

I think a lot of Holomembers can understand Chloe's decision. These days, working for Hololive is really taxing compared to the early days. There is so much behind the scenes work now.

[@jkler490]

Hololive back then had different challenges too.

[@tavarriesg1]

@@jkler490 yea Hololive was also a smaller company. I wish people would keep that in mind too.

[@RickRollfromWakanda]

Is the price of fame and success , at least in Hololive they can grow and become famous with a reasonable back up from the company ,not like a certain Kurosanji 😅

[@StargazerMCHB]

Imagine being a business with a lot of work to do, and people with nothing to do with them are complaining about it like thats a bad thing.😂 I would understand if your concern is that they are forced to overwork themselves, which isn't true as they have the likes of Gura, Shion, Ayame, and so on. Those girls barely appear anywhere and rarely stream.

[@HansenSebastian]

@@RickRollfromWakanda Kurosanji only because Selen got fired? Her toxicity leading to her termination was karma. Nobody wants to work with someone unprofessional in the long run.

[@Ewan3926]

Hopefully Chloe can find a work schedule that auits her sleep, and La+ can find a world conquest scheme that suits her stature.

[@jazzyfoo]

I think what hurts most Hololive vtubers the most is putting on a voice while streaming for multiple hours a day which if asked they will say they are using their natural voice but they could be trying to protect their character or ding it subconsciously. Chloe I think does this as imo you can hear a tightness in her voice as she speaks and it's not loose and free but there are others and then some are practically screaming into their mics like Subaru and Raden. I think a legit voice therapist could've helped Chloe.

[@Windyyyyyyyyy]

Chloe's health is the biggest reason why she's graduating. its unfortunate, but thats the reality of the situation

[@seppukumouse8005]

I've just learned the Fauna is graduating and now Chloe.......Well I am here to bless their new journey in their lives. I wish them all the luck and success to their heart's desire.

[@Subjectivity13]

Who would hate on these girls?! They work so hard just to entertain their audience, and people are going to insult them while they try to make you happy? Grrrrr.

[@darky4555]

i am actually really suprised about the reality of hololive, but then again i also have to travel every day to work so.

[@watataenjoyer]

We will see her again

[@Roronoa2zoro]

I guess the pros of corporate vtubing where there's a big audience and where management takes care of booking lessons and recordings and stuff are also counterbalanced by the fact that you're always obligated to be traveling to lessons, showing up at the studios for recordings, and then the expectations that come with having a big audience. And while a corpo gig means equipment and travel costs are covered by the company there is still the fact that streaming from home requires you to make your own setup and keep that stuff running since you're expected to stream at least semi-regularly. Pros and cons to everything, I guess. I just hope Hololive isn't a bubble that's about to burst in pursuit of growth. If too much pressure is placed on the talents to the point where vtubing is just reinventing the idol industry then this is just not going to last.

[@aitamasanada72]

i have no knowledge what their schedule is or know the full details.. but Kobo always say she did alot homework from M-chan like jp study, recording, lesson and meeting and also another meeting if they have fans event..there alot to do for talent and must be tough for Id and En since they have to work extra hard with alot of think to..not to mention if u added their streaming time there that just more overkill to schedule.

[@emchie0184]

Not everyone have the health/stamina to do all those things especially if they're not determined to do it in the first place(suisei,marine,etc)I think hololive should create a sub company that focus on being streamer and let those who want to be idols be idols

[@clintongriffin2077]

Average JP company working people to death. Chloe was amazing

[@lutteni7561]

Love La+ be this a reminder that She is the leader of HoloX

[@brreakfastYT]

Maybe that's part of the reason so many of the EN girls also end up moving to Japan

[@k-CapoXXIV]

It's a lot more convenient, I'll tell you that.

[@Ren-danna]

Girls from EN and ID as well The constant travels to Japan is a big source of stress And depending on the talent can be way more taxing (Vesper for example)

[@cikame]

I see joining Holo as sort of like joining the army or working on a submarine or oil rig except at home, even in your free time you're probably still in constant communication with the company and all its moving parts, i've heard many of them say that the streaming is their free time where they get to relax and have fun.

[@tomspringall1]

Sad to see alot quitting/leaving recently but i hope its just coz it doesnt suit them or is too much much work load. Im really hoping it aint for bullying at the work place, around covid when i discovered Vtubers it changed my life positively and thats coz of alot of the members at hololive so it would be sad if that was the case. You get these antis trying it all the time and that alone saddens me that they go so far, ive also heard of other vtubing companies 'bullying' there members and being bullied myself it cuts deep.

[@9thCrusade]

its still so crazy to me that most of hololive streamers sleep 5 6 hours on average which is sooo little its crazy

[@veerzache]

thanks for the clips

[@natsudragneel-ir7sr]

That sounds tough. I myself have a weak body and take longer to recuperate than others. What would take most people 1 day rest would take me 2 to 3 days rest to recover from. I volunteer to help in flood relief before with my roommate, we do the same work but I was in pain the next 2 days while he doesn't feel a thing. We have the same daily routine.