Laplus Understands Why Chloe Is Quitting...

[@pixelpersonapilgrim]

It's times like this, I'm reminded that Laplus is the eldest of four siblings.

[@Arashi257]

Yeah, being in that position makes the grind almost mandatory.

[@oak8194]

I'm really glad Laplus could share her thoughts on the matter with us. As the viewers, most of us truly have no idea what really goes on behind the scene and view VTubing to be a lot less hassle than it seems to be, just like her initial view on it. It's unfortunate that some people just could not fit their lifestyle and literally, their physiques, into this job, that only becomes increasingly busy the bigger the company becomes. I'm sad that Chloe is leaving us but glad that she's leaving on a good term, in consideration of her own health and future personal goals. I'm also happy to hear that Laplus could adapt to the workload of being a VTuber, despite her weak vocal constitution. Seeing a member from my favourite gen leaving is quite a big blow, and if Laplus were to leave as well... I don't want to think about it. I hope she's able to balance out her health and work relationship so that she could keep on being Laplus!

[@MushyOats-dz4oo]

Yeah I really appreciate La+ straightforwardness. I dont know about the jp side but I hope they didnt take this as her being rude

[@TheRealVordox]

Reminds me that ID Gen 1 has trying to take a long month break since..2021?

[@vanixiii5657]

Chloe was my oshi from this gen and this hit like a prime Mike Tyson gut punch...I'm happy she's prioritizing herself but I'd be lying if I didn't say it hurt like hell reading that announcement

[@k-CapoXXIV]

@@MushyOats-dz4oo She unfortunately used to receive a lot of hate from antis for this exact reason. She even brings it up in this clip.

[@oak8194]

@@vanixiii5657 I feel for you. While Laplus is my main Oshi, everyone in holoX is still near and dear to my heart, so it's a pretty big blow to me, too. Let's be happy that she's off on a good term and that there are still opportunities for her return on certain occasions just like Ame in the future!

[@TriChaser]

It also seems that the amount of work also differ from member to member. I remember seeing a clip of Subaru saying that her manager purposefully became a strict gatekeeper to ensure her schedule remained feasible but Subaru herself often take on extra work just because she wanted to.

[@snowwolf342]

Yeah just like Laplus said, you do have control over the work you take on, but there are just some thing that are mandatory to do.

[@deanthomas2305]

Also throat condition. Remember how Sakamata is a long sleeper and despite her weak throat, she keeps making her voice. She's been having headaches and going back and forth to the hospital.

[@leandroiuki4337]

At 2020 Subaru was sleeping just 3 hour per day.

[@HudaefCares]

​@@leandroiuki43372020? Don't you mean 2022? Subaru mentioned that her busiest year was "two years ago". Also the world was in lockdown in 2020, idk why Subaru would sleep just 3hrs in the year where people weren't allowed to go outside.

[@marinda653]

Laplus being understanding and kind as always

[@Miruk4]

Most people when talking about this would probably be vague or beat around the bush, but what I like about Laplus is that she'll just be honest. "Yeah my work is fine for me tbh, but I could see how it'd be worse for someone with different circumstances", not something most members would just say outright.

[@avsbes98]

Yeah, while i consume La+ only through clips as i sadly don't know more than a few words of Japanese, i've always had this feeling that she's among the most... open people in the industry, with the only other agency vtubers i can think of that are as open about behind the scenes stuff and their concerns being Kiara and Vshojo's Geega and Michi Mochievee. I mean, i recall a clip from a few months ago when people were asking the Hololive Girls who they would recommend new people watch as their first introduction to Hololive and La+ was the only one whose answer was a clear "not me", as she thougt that she might scare new people off.

[@IshimurA99]

Based on Laplus's story, we can see that Chloe is a person with a weak constitution and also sleeps a lot due to fatigue. the fact that she had to stream for the past 3 years in such a state make me worry about her, and through this, I can probably understand why she rarely bathes and cleans the house 😭 I hope she gets enough rest to stay in good health

[@serghonest9]

"You're not overworked. You're just weak!"

[@laplace8461]

wait 3 years?? insane

[@Handleoriginal12]

The lack of bathing was because of a haunting of I recall correctly

[@yezki8]

​@@Handleoriginal12yes, she was haunted

[@skyzero27]

now, the orca finally can go bath every day..we cant sniff more the orca 😭

[@MakotoTheKnight]

I like this perspective. We as fans only really see the end product (streams, lives, Fes, music, etc) and only hear about this other thing through the _absence_ of those things above (can't participate in a steam project because too busy, can't participate in a concert because sick, etc). What's even more valuable is that the company can (and will) adjust things for the talents to make it as equitable as possible for everyone, but La+ has the right take: you've gotta do the work or the company is in trouble. It's important for us to recognize that everyone works ridiculously hard to entertain and put a smile on our face, and it's not a cakewalk either. The talents are getting support through these challenges and they're making the best decision for everyone involved when doing it.

[@the_prince_ice]

And to mention Chloe and management did their best to adjust for a long time. It just didn’t work out. Chloe needs her own path to pursue. Which may be sad for all but best for her.

[@k-CapoXXIV]

Man, I'm so glad Laplus decided to talk in-depth about this situation out of her own experiences. It's conversations like these where you can see she's a lot more conscious and responsible than she lets on. If there's anyone in holoX who will be completely sincere and tell things for what they really are, it's definitely Our Dark. She had it really rough on her first year because of burnout, low self-esteem and ESPECIALLY all the antis who kept undeservedly harassing her to the point of death threats, so it's nice to see she managed to emotionally recover from that overtime. Seriously, nobody would have blamed her if she graduated, that's how bad things were for her back then. And ever since then, the hate against her has slowly but surely decreased a lot even though she's unfortunately still one of the more disliked members. Despite all the work and her own health issues, you can see she's a lot more well-adjusted and happy to be where she is nowadays, an improvement that's great to see from the perspective of someone who can genuinely relate to her in many ways. And she has no plans of graduating anytime soon, so here's to many more years of Laplus to come.^^ 💜 Also, thanks a lot for translating this. Laplus rarely gets clipped and this talk must be heard by the fanbase.

[@ForteEXEMaster]

I didn't know there was a significant minority that dislikes her? Why?

[@jkler490]

​@@ForteEXEMaster Yea same, I guess I've been living under a rock. Since when did people hate on Laplus?

[@linhnguyen3142]

@@ForteEXEMaster I think it's because she has always been honest and straightforward even with sensitive topic like this. So antis have chances to twist her word. Also, her collab with male streamer might be another reason.

[@tavarriesg1]

@@jkler490 I think the dislike started when she wanted to try to stream on twitch and just do shorts on youtube which pissed off some people.

[@jkler490]

@@tavarriesg1 ooh I see, makes sense but I really like her shorts tho. Even though I can't understand Japanese, the shorts are generally quite funny

[@Thomas_K7799]

Thanks to Laplus, I think I've got a better picture of the current situation at Hololive. I hope the remaining girls are not pushing themselves too hard. 😥

[@Crytica.]

So TLDR: Hololive is a fair but hard workplace. You can achieve great things but your work is not defined by an 8-5 mentality. It's not made for everyone and you have to be able to juggle a lot of things. From amazing concerts and loving fans and probably the best connections in the scene to lack of sleep, irregular working hours, and haters/anonimity 24/7. Aside from this, I can definitely see that this is not a workplace for everyone. With the amount of people entering Hololive, which seems to increase each year as it's growing and branching out. I can definitely see that a lot of members will find their limits and either decide to quit or change things up. It's not fun when a member leaves but there are a meriad of reasons as to why they come to a decision, and apart from Mel(Which is a topic in and of itself), it seems this year all the girls had good talks with Hololive before both parties respectively came to the conclusion in the end. that it was time to leave as a member. No hard feelings tbh. Don't take your oshi for granted because it's still a workplace and members come and go.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

The average lifespan of Vtubers is 3 years. HoloX is having their 3rd year anniversary. Hololive is on the 7th going 8th. Members will leave. It's not necessary a bad thing for them wanting to move on to the next chapter of their lives

[@hunzukunz]

nah. hololive is still a typical japanese company. not as bad as others, but still kind of bad. if getting enough sleep is becoming an issue, then something is seriously wrong.

[@Crytica.]

@hunzukunz Enterainment is always known for itregular hours and bad sleep schedules. This is not a Hololive or Japanese specific problem.

[@gegeji6442]

While overall sad that chloe will leaves I still have kinda chuckle at the fact that the first member to leave HoloX was the intern. It's like the intern getting overworked and leaving jokes writes themself.

[@Darknessyouroldfriend]

Gotta say, I admire the dedication to upholding the Kfaybe

[@isdere]

I just watched the same clip in another language, and the comments here are way, way nicer loll😂 Overseas bros are so much chiller.

[@kjracz15]

Matsuri once said that it's s really up to the talent how busy they want to be.

[@andrewadhiatma7037]

And with Ame, Aqua, and now Chloe quitting, we know that's not true at all. Cover clearly failed to uphold that promise, if they ever promised that in the beginning.

[@sweetpeach-l8o]

@@andrewadhiatma7037 Yet Subaru literally in the past 24hours confirmed that she just accepts less work and has had very comfortable past 2 years where she barely worked... So i'd rather listen to talents than your speculations. BEGONE.

[@backpackpepelon3867]

That was years ago afaik

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

@@backpackpepelon3867 4:38 She just said it literally there

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

@@andrewadhiatma7037 You must not watch Ame, Aqua, or Chloe because not one of them said they are leaving because they were overworked. Plus with member who already left(Coco, Mel etc.) not one of them has blame the company. Niji on the other hand....

[@-Raylight]

*"Hataraitara Make(If you work you lose)"* -Lapsama, probably Glad Lapsama found her place and be comfortable in what she's doing! Guess her cells are working hard to support her, Cells at Work white? xD

[@dgreater1]

Lap+ finally feeling the heaviness of IDOL works... nah, it's just her finally realizing how heavy her BEEEEG horn is

[@TheLimzz]

imagine those popular members work schedule be like, even aqua gave up, props to the girls that still stream regularly.

[@amirfahd197]

She may look like a kid, act like one, but she's right, there's more than just simpy streaming if you're in a vtuber agency especially one this big like Hololive

[@andrewadhiatma7037]

I feel like Cover should have been able to harbor those who "just wanted to stream" tho. Instead of forcing them to do stuffs they weren't so excited about in the first place.

[@FreaknFrets]

​​@@andrewadhiatma7037 No, stream alone is not an option Holo's vtuber need to participate in Holo's program (HoloFes, HoloWorld, HoloGames, Sponsors) for some reason. Those Vtuber also need to release fan-service (Audiopack, OG song, recording, etc) This is why streaming alone is not an option.

[@edpaolosalting9116]

@andrewadhiatma7037 Buddy, you sound like a tourist or someone new. If Cover stuck with the current formula, they will stagnate and just get by and then fall off. If they stuck with just streaming, how will they compete with the larger real streamers out there? You can't just rely on Superchats forever. Cover are the trailblazers of Vtubing, and the people behind the company are proud of that.

[@idleeidolon]

This is what Biboo was talking about during her first year. She warned everyone that she'll use her first year to stream as much as she can before the "idol duties" and studio work kick in.

[@IshimurA99]

From a random thought of Laplus, we have holoX as it is now. It is true that legends starts from small things

[@frielleainsworth71]

There's also that ghost incident

[@MikShin]

Their schedule is such a mess, but I didn't know it's just like a rush hour every now and then. And Laplus says it was right after the beginning. But then after you become more popular it gets even more tense. Now I get Raora saying she enjoys streaming as much as she can till it's possible. And now I think I get those who graduated already, It's tough after so many years. You change, the goals of the company change and if you can't adapt you leave. I've heard it at least three times this year but thanks Laplus I can now imagine why it goes like this.

[@Nematoda4ever]

makes me remember when they do big collab with suisei and others, Chloe who are part of it cannot join because health issue. from this i realized that she really had weak constitution, moreover for past few month she stream less and less. lets send her off with a smile, and pray she become better and can pursue her goals out there. also lets hope she gonna appear in the future of hololive project with other HoloX.

[@LiveGoDaYDaYs]

next year some might left to become indie

[@andrewadhiatma7037]

If Cover doesn't change their way, yeah totally will be. More of their successful Talents will leave and go indie.

[@esense9602]

Chloe should take care herself first. I don't want my oshi dying of exhaustion. I will miss your stinky smell, Chloe o7

[@Xaito]

Antis: "Vtubing is such a cushy job, they get paid for sitting around doing nothing" VTubers: "So basically I scrape by because I don't need that much sleep anyway... sorry, got no time talking, gotta get back to work."

[@Raul_27]

I understand too. Streaming is not the main focus anymore. It's clear as day now.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

You must be new. Holo was never a streaming focus. Back in the days Holo was the "idol" company and Niji was the "Streaming" company. It was clear since Holo founding member Tokino Sora joined the company with "desire to debut as an idol". Plus Yagoo vision of Hololive is that of AKB but in Vtube. Streaming was never the main focus

[@Arthirias]

True. There needs to be some planning, though, or this rift will become much larger as time goes on, and talent will be lost to indie routes or competition.

[@Raul_27]

@ So the streaming and the EN branch was just to reach overseas. Sadly for him, popularity and people’s interest isn’t permanent.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

@@Raul_27 You must not be new, you must be NDF. At least Hololive still has EN branch that sell out concerts and not cancelling them. Hey have you heard Dokibird just got nominated for a bunch of awards. "Vtuber of the year', "Best FPS Vtuber", "Best Event", and "Most dedicated fanbase".

[@xander0901]

@@ArthiriasSo I actually don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing for talents to take other paths that better suit their goals. If Holo’s focus is on music production and performance with streaming as a secondary aspect, that’s perfectly fine. One company shouldn’t cover all aspects of the industry anyways. It’s better to have competition and options.

[@触れない軽井沢恵]

Yeah, it seemed hard for Chloe with all the health issues she couldn't avoid, still they have been great years, glad she was in HoloX also, chemestry was so good.. I hope at least with someone collabing a lot outside like Lap-sama they will have a second first encounter, after of course she recovers, if she really wants to take the indie challenge herself tho and not change completely

[@JustAViewerL]

It's the same for most if not all types of businesses/jobs. The smaller it is the less workload, from there it only increases up with a few exceptions. It's sad but its expected, Hololive is more than just streaming so anyone who just wanted to stream would gradually leave unless Hololive reaches a certain point

[@Jiemboh]

It feels like you have to work hard and fight hard to keep up with and control your activities in Hololive. It sounds exhausting but I am glad so many members have acclimated to it or feel like it's worth it. It sucks so many have left this year for various reasons but I will make an effort to not doom post or feel like the end is nigh. Calli talked recently about the doom posting being really demoralizing in combination with people leaving since she actually likes the work she is asked to do in Holo. I wish those that choose to leave could have found a place in Cover where they could have been happy and pursue their goals. Maybe Cover should be doing more for those who don't fit the mold they are pushing their talents towards but I will shy away from doom and gloom when so many talents are continuing to work hard as Holomem and still want to do so.

[@fenrir3097]

Hearing it like this, the issue seems to be just the talent's compatibility with the current job their given. Chloe's issues seems to be more on her own end. You can control how much workload you want for hololive, but it seems like Chloe's body is just not suited for it no matter what. Then you also have other talents like Fauna that can chill back with lighter workload than most of the girls in exchange for leaving out opportunities for performing in live shows or other media endeavors.

[@Dracos210]

I mean she probably travel a lot(since concerts, collabs, work overall), on top of that needs to stream fairy often and stick to schedule. Would be nice to release cover/song from time to time+ there's probably a lot of paper work and other stuff she need to do which we dont know of. That's packed schedule is not suited for everyone especially introverts, some can adapt some can't

[@juampisito]

EN talents have less obligations because they do not live in Japan but in the moment you go there oof.

[@fenrir3097]

@@juampisito Some JP talents are allowed to hang back and chill if they wanted to (see Ayame, Shion, Choco, etc). It sounds more like Chloe is biting off more than she can chew.

[@butternecrofly7193]

Putting this with another clip of Ao's, and a comment Kiara made. It seems everyone thought like laplus, that hololive was just about streaming at home. None thought things as dances, studios, radio shows, concerts and traveling was in the contract, Fauna may be doing a lot of background work we don't know, she and those who seem to take it easy may not exactly be taking it 'easy'. A lot of them also have health issues, and as Laplus put it, many go far and beyond for this even at the risk of their health, given how many are stubborn, like suisei or pekora, many refuse to take a break until breaking point. It's depressing to see Chloe go, but the reality of her health is something people need to take account for.

[@mogankyo]

​@@fenrir3097ayame also have mandatory thing that she need to do that why she rarely stream before (but now she feel bad to her fans), shion already burn out and ask permission to stop streaming until she can do it again before, aqua try to hiatus as well but her heart can't do that because she say it will lying to her self and also he fans

[@168LAN]

"my vocal cord is the weakest among others" said the loudest member second to subaru lmaoo

[@kazutoriyama5142]

kanade is definitely first (ark moment)

[@christfild]

you dont watch laplus often. she taking break lot the last 2 year and less streaming. for example when they collab for venom promotion she cant do it in the beginning and need taking break after her doctor advice her to.

[@TheFearDan]

loud doesn't mean strong.

[@MakotoTheKnight]

Think about an obsidian blade - sharp down to an atom but incredibly weak on its own. It's the same for both La+ and Subaru. La+ needs to take it easy but can hurt her voice just from the course of streaming. Subaru legit strained her voice from shouting her head off playing MegaMan 2.

[@raffzleon8802]

I knew it, they must be tired of the overwhelming schedule management of the current cover corp, too busy. dont have time to having time with the other or held the event this year as before. even though the event is good for them to be able to have fun and having time to take a short break from their idol bussines. hope u guys all stay healthy holomember ....

[@oqf17pdr]

I love how she still going with the secret society lore 😂 But real talk, I wish for all of holomem to get a better rest. Because as I can read from HoloID twitter, it just an endless waves of homeworks...

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

4:38 the workload is up to the talents

[@Arthirias]

I was hoping the joke of: "maybe we should have paid the intern" would have been thrown in..

[@namleist]

kaela's endurance is absolutely monstrous considering she had to do other stuffs beside streaming

[@GoodOleDFT]

​​@@namleist Indeed, but the moment someone decides to impose work over her gaming endurance, it's not hard to see her bouncing out.

[@cikame]

I see joining Holo as sort of like joining the army or working on a submarine or oil rig except at home, even in your free time you're probably still in constant communication with the company and all its moving parts, i've heard many of them say that the streaming is their free time where they get to relax and have fun.

[@josephsaga]

I was wondering if the other members EN can handle the overload work

[@Kijikame]

There’s a quote by Pekora, she said “I only want you guys think that I’m only do streaming and nothing else” but the reality they have other works outside streaming, afterall Cover is not just a normal vtuber agency, but an idol agency. Sure back then their main activities was streaming because they are still finding their path to actually become an idol agency, but right now its crystal clear they are not only a vtubers. They are idols, some of them treated as real celebrities, influencers and even icon in Japan. I’m not really that shocked if the OG (up until 3rd gen) will pull the trigger anytime. The pillar talents seems already choose their new succesor to fill in their shoes. Ready or not the new talents will have to be ready to be the next pillar of hololive.

[@Aryazaky]

Understandable. Thank you for translating!

[@tungle1991]

I really hope Laplus won't follow graduation anytime soon 🥺

[@k-CapoXXIV]

She has no intention to graduate judging by some of her tweets and this clip just proofs that. While she's aware of how demanding the job is and her own health issues and limitations, she's overall very happy. At worst, she will be absent for several months to finally have surgery on her vocal cords.

[@ZeptoZeno]

I think a lot of Holomembers can understand Chloe's decision. These days, working for Hololive is really taxing compared to the early days. There is so much behind the scenes work now.

[@jkler490]

Hololive back then had different challenges too.

[@tavarriesg1]

@@jkler490 yea Hololive was also a smaller company. I wish people would keep that in mind too.

[@RickRollfromWakanda]

Is the price of fame and success , at least in Hololive they can grow and become famous with a reasonable back up from the company ,not like a certain Kurosanji 😅

[@tea_otomo]

More work in combination with health issues is just problematic, everyone would probably do it

[@zachdrago8130]

Bruh why is this the first I’m hearing of this. God damnit

[@Narum18]

Thats just overwork in most countrys but normal in JP "If u got a job u gotta do it even if u cant take a break"

[@japhahimura4212]

Research a fellow demon intensely never change lapu dono...

[@Afrochilla]

Does this mean Laplus is taking job offers for HoloX now? I could help her take over the world or whatever!

[@jkler490]

You know lore wise, Chloe is the cleaner in the secret society? You will probably be moping the floor 😂 instead of taking over the world.

[@Afrochilla]

@@jkler490As long as it's better than minimum wage in the USA 😂

[@ArtificialQT]

Only the best make it into Hololive. And despite how tough it is, Chloe managed it for 3 years before graduating with a proper send-off. She's already shown that she is far stronger and far more resilient than the vast majority of Vtubers out there. And she'll be able to carry all of her experience into anything she chooses to do next.

[@Not_Chen]

I think that doing Idol stuff n vtubing is really hard ... Hoping the best for the Hololive direction change

[@kelele]

Being a Hololive streamer is very different from normal streamer because of all the extra off stream activities involved. I remember Miko said in June that her schedule were already full for the next few months. That can really wear someone down both physically and mentally after a period of time especially if their concept of streaming is just chill gaming, interacting with viewers, go to sleep and repeat.

[@blakraven66]

The thing is though, as La+ said here, and as exemplified by talents like Fauna, talents have a choice not to accept a work offer. It's just that most of them do and it's too late to back out once the work actually comes, as the initial offers usually come months in advance. Suisei also talked about this when she accepted to be in a lot of guest appearances despite her own concert only to be overwhelmed later when all of them come within weeks of each other.

[@eiruyz]

@@blakraven66 That seems to be the case. I can also imagine that some of the girls pressure themselves because of their fans or even the environment itself (like seeing another Holo doing something cool and thinking, "I want to do that too" without fully considering how much work or time it will require)

[@achinamagi5486]

I hope everyone appreciate it if any holomembers isn't streaming for months due to a lot of homework aka behind the scene.😢

[@Exaar]

The bigger the organization gets, the more you're going to have people who simply aren't suited for it/aren't enjoying it and want to do something else. Hololive has over 90 talents- just by the law of averages, you're going to get some who decide it's not for them and move on. Likewise, you'll find some who thrive in that environment and stick around forever. What's important is for the talents to find an environment that suits them. For some that will be in Hololive, for others it won't be. Being honest about it, rather than pushing yourself to exhaustion doing work you're not enjoying, is by far the better way to approach it.

[@AlexDefolt]

I will hope that Chloe returns independent.

[@GoodOleDFT]

All signs point that she will. And when she does, it'll be a happy day.

[@yezki8]

I hope its not because of of Chloe's ghost situation

[@aetheriality]

what ghost

[@veerzache]

thanks for the clips

[@dyrem8793]

Given how the company is growing bigger, it's really understandable that others may feel like the wind is already changing. Aqua, Ame and now Chloe, aside from health issues, probably wanted a more laidback environment and without creative restrictions. So they can do what they really want. Hopefully, none of the remaining members are overworking themselves.

[@Windyyyyyyyyy]

Chloe's health is the biggest reason why she's graduating. its unfortunate, but thats the reality of the situation

[@aldrednieto8448]

Chloe needs a time out. She is still Affiliate with Hololive also still a talent of Hololive meaning she took the AmeWay Path like Amelia Watson did

[@QuadroVF]

Wait.. Laplus is an ALIEN?? waaaaa

[@k-CapoXXIV]

Yes, from planet Lapluton. It's part of her lore. The reason why she looks like a demon is because she's based on/is ''Laplace's Demon'', an omniscient and all-knowing being who was originally conceived as a scientific theory in the 18th century.

[@applebumpcaster8240]

I respect miss Chloe for doing "the right thing." Yes, sometimes we like work that was fun. But she reached her limits. i will miss this Orca though.

[@linhnguyen3142]

"I'm an alien tho" lol. Jokes aside, I genuinely worry seeing that she got sick easily. And despite her throat being weak, I notice she often overuse it when singing (use throat a lot and rarely sing in falsetto). I hope her vocal coach would point that out to help her improve, as keep doing that definitely hurt her a lot in the long run.

[@Cruz_Tako]

ya, it seems overall over the years, they have more and more events and less and less streams because they need to practice.

[@banditban2992]

We may have seen some of mems retiring in 2025 because of this reason. A lot of members only wants to stream.

[@ludimiller3717]

That is just not true, alas most of the members don't want only stream after all why join Hololive if that is your only ambition. This really seem like a turist opinion.

[@andrewadhiatma7037]

​​@@ludimiller3717 You still say that even after three top Talents leave for the exact same reason? I think you are the clueless one here. Edit: Also listen to what Laplus said. None of them predicted that it will be this hwfty of workloads outside of streaming. This is coming from HoloX, the 6TH GEN of Hololive JP.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

@@andrewadhiatma7037 Cover stock price 2,658. Anycolor stock price 2,141

[@aqours9271]

Since mid 2023 i don't really watch any Vtuber 3D performance and for this year i think i only watch Biboo,Aqua, and Lamy 3D. I just want to see my oshi play some game for a looong time like before idol stuff. This year is bad but not really that bad because finally i found EN member that i really like Biboo, CC, and Raora

[@RFFN-ln2ce]

Hearing this, I honestly get worried about other talents more. Like FUWAMOCO. They're pushing themselves day in and day out saying yes to every opportunity. Their voice is already feeling it - you can hear the difference between now and the first few months, and they're still trying to do everything. Unless they find a balance, it feels like a bubble about to burst where they have the motivation but not the constitution for it. Like they're some time away from getting irreparable damage and going into a health hiatus or worse. Then you have other EN talents that have took a different stance of reducing a lot of the work they've taken in. They don't make many appearances at cons. They don't stream much, but they've stayed healthy. Yet, I wonder how indies are able to stream and also do extra things on the side? It sounds like the answer is the catch-all "homework." It feels like cover needs to figure out their situation. Reduce any administrative tasks placed on talents. Talent work should be creative. The core of hololive is dependent on each talent. For many, it's streaming. With streaming, fans connect with the talent to want to attend the idol performances. But idol content and recordings are bonus opportunities talents want to do too and shouldn't be neglected. There is also health to balance amidst all of it. I can only hope that cover streamlines their process and thoroughly questions what work needs to go to a talent, staff, or even if they need a new position for it. They're no longer a small company. If they're trying to scale up their operations, they need to scale up their personnel too, not simply place more work on the existing.

[@hololiveclip_saint-peterburg]

The load depends on the talents, Subaru talked about him, Suisei talked about him, La+ talked about him that talent can take any project as much as it pleases. The problem is waiting, they expect something fun and lighthearted from being in Hololive, like" playing " an idol. However, expectations are dashed against reality when you are a member of the agency managing to control the entire process, popularity falls on you in the first hours of debut. Touring yes, you can refuse any event just you will not be in the announcement, but life will not be the same and you will want to come back as a simple streamer

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

"Yet, I wonder how indies are able to stream and also do extra things on the side?" Not all indies are created equal. Some just streams + merch here n there. Some focuses on events. Not many indies has yearly FES, Sololive, Covers, and original songs. "But idol content and recordings are bonus opportunities" I disagree idol content/songs are not bonus but the MAIN part of Hololive. If the talent just want to stream and wanted nothing to do with idol activity there is no reason to join Hololive. Why join THE idol company if VSPO(Gaming focus), REJECT(Streaming branch of E-sport org), or NIJI(advertised as NOT an idol company) is much more suited for just streaming "Reduce any administrative tasks placed on talents. Talent work should be creative." How do you know administrative tasks are placed on talents? "Homework" that we know of are vocal/dance lessons(creative), merch designs meetings(creative), content planning/meeting(creative), and sponsors colab(creative). What are these administrative tasks that are being done by the talents and not their managers? "They're no longer a small company. If they're trying to scale up their operations, they need to scale up their personnel too, not simply place more work on the existing." According to the financial reports of Cover and Anycolor, if I remember correctly Cover has double the staff with far less Talents/Livers compare to Anycolor. Given that Anycolor is the biggest company I say Cover is doing pretty well on that front. Bonus point, Cover staffs are being paid better too.

[@ranapriliaful]

just like I said, their background work is tiring. while most of us only know they just streaming. I got the hint since Kaela ever said, streaming are like her breaks since what she did outside streaming is the real work.

[@adude1791]

So too much work. Used to have an image of holo that they don't have that much of work and they get lots of money, dream job, but things changed, they learn choreography, use voice for works other than singing, those who never dance now have to dance. Glad that the early gens endured with how things changed. If those who never exercise or never dance suddenly have to dance practice for lots of songs and voice recording, of course it's going to be too exhausted. Now holo has a clear image that you absolutely have to dance whether you are good or not but you still have to practice to many songs and it won't stop, but does Cover focus on dancing as top priority for candidates or focus on other things that candidates can do and dancing is not top priority, of course there are people who are not familiar with something about jobs they are getting but since they almost get a job they would answer Yes to every question given, and they might end up losing it when they experience the real thing. Chloe does good at both, so it's too much work in her case. Even though they can manage some work but it's still a lot in the end, haven't seen clips of the early gens tell how different things are for now and then, how much work increases, what changed. There has to be a standard set, hate when seeing something they create stops, this position is something when it gets created, it can't be replaced and when it's gone it's gone forever, can't do anything anymore

[@obitoxshinobi8978]

🩶😢chloe chan

[@Cosmoman78]

Cover needs to rethink the way they do things. Each Talents naturally have their own different individual goals, of what they want to achieve in Hololive. Instead of making all of them doing the same work to reach Company's goals, Cover should have talked to each of them and specifically asked what were their goals, and worked together to help the Talents achieve those goals, so it will become mutual benefits for both sides. That is, if Cover wants their Talents to stay longer in the Company.

[@ludimiller3717]

That is why you do auditions, so you select talents which goals are compatible with the company. It is just natural that people goals change with time and there is not much that COVER can do about that. There is no way to satisfy everyone and even trying it is foolishness, it is as L+ Said some people can adapt some can't and that is just fine. Trying to change the company to satisfy every talent will just result in the company being a managerial tower of babel and the failure will be imminent. At that point it better searcing in the market for new talents that goal is compatible with the company than trying to keep talents that just changed their goals and want try new things in their lives.

[@andrewadhiatma7037]

​@@ludimiller3717 I disagree tho. For regular Company, yes you need to employ people who can work towards the same goal with the Company. But Talent Management Agency is different. Making all your Talents share the same workload regardless of their preferences, is a fine recipe for disaster, just like what Cover experienced right now. The best way is to let the Talent bloom on what they like and want to do most.

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

@@andrewadhiatma7037 Talents parting way amicably is not a disaster. Selen situation, black stream, and canceling concerts due to low attendance, now that's a disaster

[@zhuljojo]

Something off

[@IndoorSitup]

Going forward, I hope that Yagoo and the other higher ups decide to make some changes to make the workload for their talents a bit more managable.

[@TAKOssrb]

there are 2 imply in here... 1 they just wanna have streaming live. as streamer but hololive already gone to entertaiment industry like idol schedule. and many of them really introvert dont like going out just wanna have fun and stream at home playing game 2. hololive become to popular so their work load become to much ( this one hope fully company can make better schedule for them. )

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

4:38 The workload is up to the talents not Yagoo

[@fenrir3097]

There's another recent clip where Subaru talks the opposite with how her workload has been getting lighter overtime. Seems like it's just different per talent.

[@IndoorSitup]

@@fenrir3097 Maybe changes are already being made?

[@abbychannel4591]

@@IndoorSitup base from what I understood from different holomem talking about this. They are free to take as many or as few workloads that then can but there are mandatory work that needs to be done under Hololive (e.g. lessons, mech signs). So on top of the mandatory things plus streaming, if you took too much of what you can handle, then you will be burnt out eventually and looking at them seems like there are moments that they did not expect some workloads to be too heavy for them to handle (e.g. sponsorships)

[@ploffy35]

Huh, didn't know Japanese entertainment industry has similar problems with South Korea...😇

[@Fatso666]

Japanese work as a whole has problems, long hours but also one of the lowest productivity rates in the world

[@ploffy35]

@@Fatso666 I wonder if South Korea will chill out with this harsh work culture when our productivity rates goes down...🫠

[@TriChaser]

I think this issue is pretty similar across asia or at least in east asia. There was a documentary video regarding overwork in China too.

[@k-CapoXXIV]

If anything, hololive is one of the very few Japanese corporations (entertainment and otherwise) who genuinely tries to take care of their workers' health.

[@AoyagiMei]

the "work hard" only mentality is so toxic. I'd be mad if someone put in all their effort and achieved nothing or made no progress. Effort in all the wrong places should not be encouraged. People don't learn and never grow.

[@IronFreee]

Loosing your talent because you are pushing them to their limits doen't sound like a smart way to carry on. A lot of companies tend to forget what makes them successfull and focus on what makes money. Their talents are the only reason they can make all those more profitable deals, without them there's no Hololive.

[@eiruyz]

It seems like La+ herself implies in the clip that they get to choose how much work they want to take on. I think what's happening is that some of them are pushing themselves more than they should. I recently saw a clip of Subaru talking about how she reduced her own schedule to a minimum. Of course, even that minimum might not be suitable for someone with delicate health like Chloe

[@IronFreee]

@@eiruyz That's not what she said, she explained that there were a lot of mandatory activities in addition to the work they can choose to do. Some of them requirering to go to the studio or to travel. I just watched a video of the reaper saying she was going to sleep 5 hours after the stream, before reccording in a studio... I don't know the financial details, but the part they choose to do, like streaming, is probably their main source of income and main objectives. If that's the case, it's not really a choice.

[@eiruyz]

@@IronFreee I’m referring 2:40, where she immediately says, "But I’m doing those because I want to..." That aligns very well with what other talents have expressed before (Subaru, Fauna, etc.). I suppose you're referring to 3:19, where, to be honest, I’m not sure if she’s talking about mandatory work from the company (like the Fest, which, as far as I know, is the only truly mandatory event) or mandatory work as a result of activities they themselves agreed to (coordinations for collabs, dance lessons for 3D aniversaries, etc) Cali is known for overworking herself (workaholic), and I agree that the girls should lighten their activities. However, we’ve already seen many cases of managers forcing them to take breaks or scheduling medical checkups, yet some Holomems simply don’t want to stop. The financial report has been shared (by fans) multiple times on r/Hololive. The majority of the company/girls incomes come from merchandise (voice packs, anniversaries, etc.) and collaborations with others brands

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

@@IronFreee That is EXACTLY what she said. As per the comment above Subaru chose to reduce her workload. Like many pointed Fuana and Ayame also chose not to take as many offers. The reaper is a workaholic. Any actual Holo fan and not sisters trying to doompost knows this We know some of the financial details, they get base salary unlike NIJI. They can take loans from COVER for big events/song MVs unlike NIJI. They definitely get more than 2% off merch.

[@kristiandy2386]

tldr: chloe is lazy, so she quit her job

[@MelonWaterMelon777]

It's a big deal when Holomem graduates. For Niji it's just another Tuesday

[@f.b.l.9813]

sounds like the excess work needed for the Idol shit is leading many members to quit

[@GoldyGoldmembers]

All I'm hearing is that more of these graduations due to change of company direction will be incoming.

[@IndoorSitup]

I mean, given how Chloe, Aqua, and Ame have talked about Cover and Hololive, I don't really think that they're gonna become a black company or whatever. Cover and Hololive have been very supportive and accomidating to their talents and it seems like they'll continue to do so.

[@juampisito]

Yes but I do not think there has been a real change of direction since gen 2. The problem is that the direction Hololive has is not bearable for many people, infinite stream hours with infinite studio sesions for concerts, adds, random performances + cons + social media work + thumbnails + planning whatever you are going to stream with a week in advance.

[@Tahanok2]

Hearing from what? This clip?

[@senkodesign]

The change of direction is in its 3rd year

[@mogankyo]

​@@IndoorSitup i dont understand why when people critize it always say about black company, it not always about that, yes what they do is not bad thing but it can become bad thing, they just need to be aware about this discuss what they do is correct or not, because when company change the direction sometime it can become good direction but it can become bad as well.