Holy Week Liturgies Before Vatican 2 and Pre-1955 (Morning or Evening times)

[@susanharms6777]

Remember my mom prepping food served for Easter dinner and taking it to her church-Holy Trinity. It was something she did as a child and her parents who were from Czechslovakia. Meats, homemade cheese (Easter cheese), etc.. thank God for my Eastern European roots.

[@CMaj1506]

Yes, my mum takes food to Easter liturgy and they bless the food and that is the first food eaten when they come home. We are Croatian heritage.

[@Tomislavgrad821]

❤️🙏🇭🇷

[@patriciasteinkirchner2371]

Yes, my mom did it also. She came from East Germany, called Schlesien. She and her family had to flight from their home in January 1945. Today this part of Germany ist polish.

[@HappyGoLucky70]

This is one of your best shows yet! I haven’t felt this ROBBED since 2011 when I first discovered TLM. This show explains everything. The people need this 1939 Triduum schedule!

[@Tomislavgrad821]

@@CMaj1506 GREETINGS FROM CROATIA🇭🇷

[@franciebarcus4416]

I remember working at a bank in the 50's & we were allowed as Catholics to leave work & go to our Good Friday services at noon. The whole culture accommodated our Catholic faith and no one objected.

[@DrTaylorMarshall]

We gave up so much. Now it’s all about “pride”.

[@franciebarcus4416]

School lunches & restaurants served fish on Fridays. Today the very smell of incense makes me want to cry. I wrote a whole paper on what I remember that we've lost & give it out to people. They have done a good job of completely erasing the memory of the Latin mass & our wonderful Catholic culture in most peoples' minds.

[@cowsal77]

​@@franciebarcus4416 Satanism is the federal religion now. Who else would seek to confuse then sterilize kids while murdering babies, the elderly and the infirm. 😢

[@CatholicTraditional]

@@franciebarcus4416 Pizza and tuna rolls were on the Friday menu in my public school system year-round.

[@aravz6898]

In some businesses they still are. At least in my line of work, our offices closed by noon on Good Friday.

[@boede]

? I am 90 and remember with love the old rituals. Wish we still do it. Pray I can do 40 hour fast

[@jerryczarski5991]

Change has been constant for my Catholic lifetime. I am tired of change. I feel as if for over 400 years things were stable, why did I need to be born in this time? Too many over educated "intellectuals" with too much time on their hands. Give me a humble hard-working fisherman any day of the week! Thank you Dr. Marshall for your enthusiasm and faith.

[@francislocke5094]

I was educated by the Benedictines 1942-1953. It was like singing of angels. Holy Saturday finished at midday

[@michellemartin5440]

This is so sad & beautiful. The culture we are missing by not being able to celebrate like this today.

[@kvurquidi3527]

Not just the culture , the sanctification .

[@MsgtE8ret]

I was an altar boy from 1948 to 1957 and I remember the ceremonies of Holy Week and just about like the ones shown the schedule was about the same with a few minor changes to the schedule. The washing of the priests feet was, at one parish in Hartford Connecticut, St Lawrence O'Toole, done to only 4 priests assigned to the parish. At my other parish St Patrick's in East Hampton, Connecticut, it was eliminated for the reason the parish had only two priests. As an altar boy we were rather busy during Holy Week, preparing, rehearsing and doing the ceremonies. One thing, on Good Friday, at the Stations of the Cross in the afternoon at 3 PM all Altar boys and Priests were required to be there it was a beautiful procession around the Church and there was not a seat in the whole Church. The veneration of the Cross was done at this time. Holy Saturday was a very long day with the various ceremonies, again beautiful as well as Easter Sunday. I definitely would like to see it brought back to the Church.

[@tolkienlewis6887]

This was wonderful. I'm 68 and now realise why my father only received Holy Communion once a year and why in England we ended our fast at 12 noon..

[@aravz6898]

Back in the day people actually took the days off from work and were dedicated to really living the Holy Week and all it’s liturgical services. Unfortunately, even if we are off from work, there are no services until late in the day, so the entire day goes by without keeping the Holy Days in mind. I read my Missal and all the services they had during the day in the Traditional Liturgy. I found a schedule of Holy Week in 1918 and was truly dedicated to keep the Holy Week, holy.

[@here_we_go_again2571]

"Working class" people in an industrialized society have never been able to "take the days off from work" during Holy Week .. No work, no pay, no food. Maybe, just maybe they might get Good Friday afternoon off -- If the majority of the employees were Christian. In a rural society services would be held at mid-day (so that the essential feeding, watering (and milking) the animals could be done early. In the months of March/April Europe/N. America) it is too wet to plough and other chores could be done after the midday break -- before the evening chores of feeding/watering/milking and securing the livestock are done

[@flatreality5139]

Hi, I am 55 years old and for at least the last 15 years I have asked Holy Friday off and my normal days off are Saturday and Sunday so I dedicate these three days to be at church as much as possible, in adoration and reflection of the Passion of our Lord. We actually begin the night before because our parish keeps Jesus in a small Tabernacle, in a garden like setting so we accompany him through the night and meditate how he is put in prison so we remain with him. Different parishioners take turns throughout the night. On Friday this continues until 3pm. We continue to have adoration in the garden while in church confessions are taking place for 24 hrs (9pm Thursday to 9pm Friday. After the 3pm mass our Adoration Chapel is transformed into a tomb and from then until 3pm on Saturday, we accompany Jesus in the tomb. This is a very precious time of meditation in his suffering. Then I go to Easter Vigil at night and to Easter Mass on Sunday. I love this special time.

[@michaeldriver1356]

I would like to have been able to get to holy days back when I was working, but the nature of my work, I was unable. Now, since disability, and early forced retirement, either I couldn't drive, no one seemed to have the time to take me, and now I currently am without reliable transportation. Hopefully, this will be soon resolved. Praying for it! But, I recall the days of people actually getting holy/religious days off from work/school and actually going to Mass.

[@lachele7099]

Some folks still take time off to participate in all the rituals, devotion, reflection, confession, etc., Such special time.

[@mauramillay5039]

I wonder if, because Catholicism was so prevalent( -even Hollywood was held to some standards by Catholicism), that they got those 2 days off! Holy Thursday and Friday

[@rubygalatolo1012]

Thank you Dr. Taylor. Part of me yearns for what has been robbed from us. I'm so grateful for our beautiful Catholic Faith. I can't imagine how beautiful it will be in heaven. This is just a glimpse and it's so overwhelmingly sublime. Thank you for educating us with these videos. May Our Lord Jesus Christ and Our Lady reward you abundantly for your commitment.

[@lindaismail4811]

Pre 1955 I am with you on that

[@DrTaylorMarshall]

Thank you for watching! Which do you prefer for the 3 Triduum Masses? Morning or Evening times?

[@RyanJane-rp2vd]

Why do you wear a ring on your right hand?

[@lindakearley9662]

Evening....to me seems such Reverence 🙏

[@FruitofSilence]

morning

[@aravz6898]

Would love it in the morning

[@keytube1012]

In the Maronite rite we don't take communion on Good Friday

[@angeltime14]

I agree with no communion on Good Friday - if one is really living in the spirit of the Passion, Death & Resurrection of Jesus, then it only stands to reason that He has died, and we are desolate until the Resurrection. I like the old Tradition being more emphasis in the right places and more meaningful. God bless!

[@judithlacks7508]

I LOVED the REAL story of the Easter Basket.

[@kathrynhichborn8390]

That actually had me in tears. So beautiful!

[@TheAQUAJAG]

Thank you Dr Marshall! All of the pre 1955 traditions are wonderful however getting NO churches to accept them will take many many prayers. The NO church that I attend has made some small changes like bringing the bells back during mass and the St Michael Prayer after mass but oh still way too many NO practices for my liking. Top of my wish list is a Holy Communion rail 🙏 A blessed Easter to the Dr Marshall Family and all DTM followers.

[@geraldineurbanczyk8767]

Thanks. Wish we could turn back the clock. Beautiful, respectful.

[@mickmac7204]

My parish does the pre-1955. Our Holy Saturday starts at noon.

[@Sense2024]

Where is your parish?

[@rubenmartinez4346]

Honestly this is beautiful. This is another reason why I thank God for Mother Church and all Her beautiful details that are second to none! It would be nice to experience these old liturgies but I’m still fascinated with what the SSPX offers in their chapels and during Holy Week. Viva Cristo Rey!

[@debrasaints3809]

SSPX is at 7 pm. I remember as a child that all of these were celebrated early in the morning. I prefer the mornings.

[@ArmaMoto]

I imagine there is even more symbolism in the times of Holy Saturday. I imagine something with the symbolism of Jesus entering limbo and brining the Old Testament saints to heaven. Tradition is so beautiful and meaningful! Thank you Dr Marshall!

[@elainewilson5446]

I think it should be in the evening since Jesus had his Last Supper in the evening. It's a special time to celebrate this beautiful remberance of Jesus the Son of the Living God!

[@Aaron-se1qw]

Here in NZ Good Friday all shops supermarkets workplaces are closed, still thankfully holding onto that tradition, bar fast food outlets and gas stations remaining open with emergency services. We had stations of the cross Friday morning, with mass of the Pre sanctified 3pm, and veneration of the cross.. The long Holy Saturday easter vigil starts at 6pm ending at 9pm.. Easter Sunday, morning mass with the blessings of food baskets then.. I do like the Holy Saturday pre 1955 time table..

[@jennifersnell3550]

I much prefer the way things were back in 1939. I remember some of the things but not all. Today, on Good Friday, I did not receive Communion because our Parish Priest explained what you did on this topic. I did kiss the crucified Jesus on the cross as my Spiritual Communion. Thank you for this lesson.

[@theresagoldschmidt8740]

Please, Dr. Marshall, continue to remind the viewers to pray the Rosary.

[@patriciamathews5975]

Holy Triduum to you & your family !! ❤🌾❤🌾❤️ ✝️ ❤️🌾❤️🌾❤️ The changes made in 1951 through 1955 led to more changes, including the liturgy. Consequently, this opened the door to the (disasterous) changes that took place post Vatican II. One can argue that the changes 51-55 were reasonable. However, the precedent was set for change. It was now easier to change the rubrics, and liturgical prayers, going forward. Now we have the Bishop in White wanting to remove the Tridentine Mass everywhere. 🙏✝️🙏

[@marytejral2543]

I like the pre-1955 better. It's so prayerful! Not that we can't pray at home, but there's something about going to the church to pray through the Triduum. My husband would probably plan for time off work if we went back to this.

[@eileenmurray737]

I love the pre-1955 Triduum! Thank you so much. I was born in 1950 and remember how holy everything was. I now attend an SSPX Church. God bless you and your family.✝️💟

[@HaroldRutila]

Thank you for this exposé on the pre-1955 practice. This is insightful for showing where the lines between the Divine Office and the Mass became blurred, which foreshadowed (in my view) the eventual deletion of several offices altogether, and the eventual conflation of the Easter Vigil as if it were like a Midnight Mass on Christmas. In actuality, since Easter is the higher of the two feasts, it makes sense that what precedes it is unique, hence the transferring of offices to different times, increase in service times, and so forth. I was in the schola at Mater Dei from 2016-2018 and participated in two 1962 Holy Weeks, and then chanted for the ICKSP in the years which followed, with this being our 3rd year celebrating according to the pre-1955 rite. Each year we grow in our appreciation for the pre-1955 rite. This is the first year we are celebrating the Easter Vigil at 5pm, rather than close to midnight. While midnight Easter Vigils at Mater Dei and St. Joseph Shrine were profoundly inspirational to me in my early 20s, as I enter my 30s as a husband and father, I see the value in living the rite as it was lived for generations before us. This video is the missing link that connects the beauty of the rituals with practicality in day-to-day life. If Catholic parents could get the days of Holy Week off from work, this 1939 Westminster schedule provides everything they would need to nourish their souls during this solemn week while still attending well to their duties of state.

[@isabellepiat912]

Thank you Dr. Marshall for this great video it's helped me learn about what we've missed out on all these years. I used to attend a TLM until recently due to our move, financial hardship and family disunity, I've returned to the NO Mass, very hard to accept, but at least the priest is friendly and listens and understands some of our concerns.

[@corrineforsythe3395]

Happy blessed Easter to you and your family. Thankyou for all you do for the faith.

[@allthingscatholic]

I really wish everything stayed the same. Holy Mother Church is so wise everything is accomodated in this schedule- its so perfect for helping people grow in sanctity along with balancing their daily duties

[@CheyanneTheWolf]

I greatly enjoyed this video and the look into a more 'intentional' time of the Church. I have found a {not parish / but oratory} Latin Mass, but my elderly father who I take care of prefers the ease of English. Pray for me as I balance faith and duty.

[@themysteriousgentlemen1763]

Mass before Vatican 2 was beautiful

[@THEJET52]

How did we ever lose all of this? May God forgive us all

[@johnmorgan4313]

The Church lost the pre-Vatican 2 ceremonies due to the heresy of Modernism & infiltration of Church by Modernist clergy.

[@karenmcd333]

40 hour fast beginning now. Thank you!

[@emilydawson2667]

I like the Way of the Cross with a sermon! So many neat accommodations for the state of the Laity. I always was confused with the NO and the reception of Holy Communion on Good Friday. I never thought it made sense to receive Jesus on the day of desolation. Tradition always makes sense.

[@erinmarie99]

Dr. Marshall, I thought I spotted you at Tenebrae last night! It was my first experience with Tenebrae! What a beautiful and powerful service!

[@erinmarie99]

@@pjm001 Yes - 3 nights this year

[@pjmonix3037]

Me as a kid, I’m thankful that the mass at night. I can go to school and meet Christ that night. I can’t wait to go to my first Tridentine Mass this summer

[@maryelisabeth7167]

7pm traditional Latin Mass here in the UK too. For Maundy Thursday

[@rubicon2288]

We really appreciate you sharing this ! We go to both English and Latin because we cannot always go to the Latin mass. But as a 69 year old person. I hate the changes.! Now they have the kids doing a play instead of praying.... .and everything is watered down😢so sad.

[@Lucylou7070]

I appreciate this too, but he's noting some cultural practices as if they were universally practiced here. Just one example: not all parishes and dioceses brought Easter Baskets to the church for blessing and certainly not all practised as he reports with liquor. Much depended on the ethnic backgrounds of believers! Another not mentioned: many Catholics in certain dioceses visited all the churches in their community on Holy Thursday, but that was not mentioned. In some of those communities, people would do the stations of the cross at each church they visited. That was ok in smaller communities with 1-3 churches, but not in larger communities with up to 10-12 churches. I don't know how that was managed! There were no Masses at any time of the year in the afternoon and evening in any of the communities my family lived in. In many parishes today, the services on Holy Thursday thru Saturday are really the extended version on the Liturgy of the Hours and everyone does leave the church in silence. It's beautifully spiritual. Otherwise, a nice comparison of past/present. In the past at least during the 1940s-50s: morning services thru 11 am only: none on Saturday and Sunday evenings.

[@michaeldriver1356]

I would love to see it return to morning, and the old ways.

[@mickeymcdermott1462]

The thing that struck me about this Dr. Marshall is it was the last Holy Week in London before the start of WWII.

[@maryeaton1992]

My mother was born in 1933. She would always tell me that the Lenten fast ended at NOON on Holy Saturday. This coincides with what you are explaining Dr. Marshall. I don’t understand why they changed it in the 1950s. Some, even SSPX members argue that the changes were good.

[@westtex3675]

There are good reasons for many of the changes. Some of them were to bring things more into accord with what the Church did in medieval times. It would be a lazy & incorrect assumption that the Holy Week changes were along the same vein as the novus ordo changes.

[@CatholicTraditional]

@@westtex3675 Moving them to the Biblical Times of Day was the actual restoration, as the morning Holy Week services instituted due to war threats. The revised/shorter rites in ‘55 were meant for smaller churches.

[@maryeaton1992]

If I’m not mistaken even Archbishop Lefebvre wasn’t opposed to the changes with the Holy Week and had his priests use it along with the 1962 missal.

[@maryelisabeth7167]

It's hard for working people to get to Masses during the day,but not easy for young families and elderly people to get out at night.

[@gwenewing6837]

Our holy Thursday mass had 520 people and majority were families and small kids ❤

[@devinbramel9546]

Worth noting is that a large reason for the Triduum rites taking place in the morning, in addition to the fasting discipline that historically required fasting until Vespers was recited during penitential times (hence, the shifting forward of the canonical hours), was that canon law prohibited Mass from beginning after noon local time.

[@seanbrittmusic]

I attended Easter TLM for the last two years, but this year I finally experienced TLM Palm Sunday. I must say it was very moving but I hope to experience pre-55 Holy Week some day. Blessings from NYC

[@carissstewart3211]

Attended pre-1955 Palm Sunday this year. Beautiful. I hope someday to attend pre-1955 Holy Saturday mass someday. As a housewife responsible for food prep the earlier mass time makes sense. When it's in the evening, I find myself making all kinds of sweet treats for my family on Easter while fasting.

[@gwenewing6837]

We did pre 55 holy week this year in Cincinnati ❤

[@geir.j.a.johansen]

In Norway we celebrate the Maundy Thursday mass at 6pm, then vespers at 9pm. Good Friday mass is at 11am. Easter vigil at 11pm Saturday evening, then on Easter Sunday we celebrate Christ Resurrection at 7am and the Pontifical Mass at 11am.

[@artifexdei3671]

there's still some catholic presence in norway? that's nice.

[@geir.j.a.johansen]

@@artifexdei3671 There are about 190,000 Catholics in Norway. The largest Church community after Church of Norway which has 3,500.000 members.

[@artifexdei3671]

@@geir.j.a.johansen nice, so it looks like scandinavia is not totally lost then.

[@elizabethbuckler7353]

This is the best podcast yet! I've listened to a lot of your videos, and i have learned a lot. Thank you and Happy Holy Week!

[@Lucylou7070]

He said there were in limbo waiting: there was no limbo!

[@Aswaguespack]

Excellent presentation and great discussion on Holy Week then compared to now.

[@rosiekaykahn]

In our Parish, Fr. Consecrates enough hosts for the Mass of the Lord’s Supper and the anticipated need for Good Friday's service, The Passion of the Lord service at 3pm on Friday, where we venerate the cross, listen to the daily Readings, participate in a Communion service, and close in prayer. It's a beautiful service.

[@kathrynhichborn8390]

Thank you for explaining why I’m STILL so confused by what’s going on today!! I can’t wait for my “children” to see this! I grew up with Cdl MacIntyre who didn’t institute changes until he was forced to so a lot of this is familiar from what I actually experienced and the rest from what my parents talked about! I LOVE my FSSP parish which was a continuation of a TLM-only diocesan parish which was amazingly allowed by a very liberal bishop in 1991 but some of the practices still make me shake my head.

[@anthonyshenfield]

Just had the opportunity in London to participate in a "pre-1955 rubrics 'Holy Saturday' Divine Liturgy of the Roman Rite , with full accompaniment and all elements presented exactly as would have been in my childhood during 'pre-Vatican II years ! Nearly Three and a half hours duration intense liturgical celebration for 'Easter' / Pasqua. A most amazingly powerful celebration , unequalled on any other day of the year. Surprised by the number of junior school age children and older who coped very well with such a lengthy celebration 😇

[@markw4307]

Where was this?

[@bananatopper6598]

Yes. Please tell us where in London? Thank you!

[@zebulonpike3147]

I appreciate the evening mass since I work days and can’t make the weekday mornings.

[@thomast9736]

I prefer the old times along with of course the pre 1955 liturgy. Never knew about the penitential shift. Love the 12 prophecies especially 1 & 12

[@Tomislavgrad821]

Happy Easter to mine Brothers and Sisters❤️🙏Greetings from Croatia🇭🇷

[@yc702]

Beautiful explanation. Thank you!

[@Migz2682]

Im ok with the mass for holy Thursday being later in the night on Thursday. No communion on Friday is consistent with what our Byzantine Catholic rite brethren still do and so is the blessing of the baskets. I like the traditional Good Friday and Holy Saturday schedule

[@CatholicTraditional]

I’ll go further: until the reign of St. Pius X, it was common for Holy Communion only to be distributed during Christmas, Easter, and other major feasts. It was seldom done during Requiem Masses, and absolutely not done if a non-Catholic was in attendance.

[@edcrow7987]

@drtaylormarshall , it’s worth noting the main reason for these Penitential Shifts: the observance of the ancient midnight fast before receiving the Holy Eucharist.

[@rheagasway8687]

Just attended Tenebrae at 6:30 am this morning. Awesome

[@juliemyrick1038]

In my opinion it does not matter whether we like it or don’t like it it is what heaven wants us to do and how heaven wants us to do it🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ishmaelgonzales4876]

The quesition is: "What the Lord JESUS CHRIST WANTS!" BLESS YOU, INFINITELY! AMEN! JOHN 14:12-17.

[@bettypang4971]

Who is “Heaven”….?😂 did that mean God ? 😅

[@sylvia54lobo76]

Heaven is...... GOD. GOD. GOD. Heaven is???????

[@sylvia54lobo76]

Wow! Very insightful. So called educated lipservers to God won't appreciate... Hohoho. God bless you Betty

[@robert1453]

The only thing I miss about Orthodoxy was the morning Holy Saturday service. I loved the morning Vigil.

[@gyrocadiz9912]

Good Friday at our FSSP Church, Stations of the Cross, Mass of the Presanctified and Tenebrae

[@crestalpinecrossreflect134]

In Catholic Cantons of Switzerland, during lent, theaters, cinemas, dancing halls and bars had been closed until easter Monday. No Music, no entertainment! Window displays were hidden and thus mostly covered with dark clothes. On Holy Friday everybody had been working as normal and specifically housewifes cleaning the houses. In between one went to church for the litanies. Bells were silenced. As children we kew that angels had brought them all to Rome. In churches, holy items and paintings had been covered with dark violet towels. On Easter Sunday all this disappeared and altars were covered with the most beautyfull flower bouquets.

[@pcgrova7198]

4 and a quarter hrs last Night Holy Saturday *Vigil* - pre 1955. Started 1830 local .. 12 prophecies ... tough but great, educational, inspirational, beautiful .. you get out what you put in... plus!

[@haroldramirezmedina9153]

Thanks, Dr. Marshall, this is great information to share, have blessed Holy Week!

[@tMatt5M]

Evening liturgies are nice for people with jobs. But I'd take anything that wasn't the Novus Ordo.

[@lyny8368]

Dr. Marshall. I like holy week masses being in the morning because being Catholic is everything to me so I'm ready to get started in the morning when I wake up. By the time evening gets around I think a lot of people don't hang in there and they don't participate. Well on the other hand, I am reading the holy Saturday liturgy in my Father Lassance missal, which is a 1945 reprint and I'm seeing evening and nighttime all over the place, symbolizing also the deliverance of the Israelites from Egypt. ...So maybe holy Saturday should be at night.

[@margaretbarker2320]

I agree with you on this one. It's better for families and the clergy to have the liturgies in the morning.

[@charlesmell115]

Dr. Taylor is so inspiring.

[@agnellinaonairda680]

Interesting...glad to watch a very educational vlog about Catholicism and differences wd other religions without giving off foul remarks...some other vlogs that i watched ALWAYS LAMBAST our religion like why won't they just go on with their lives and do their own services and worships....you explained , detailed everything in a very polite and unbiased manner GOD BLess u and HAPPY EASTER

[@tinytin777]

I have never heard of Maundy Thursday until now. Thank you for this lesson. Attended 2 Masses today Holy Thursday. Both had Holy Communion.

[@DrTaylorMarshall]

Maundy Thursday is old name for Holy Thursday.

[@ridgedtradcat8057]

Morning, for sure. If you go to a Sede Triduum its this schedule. Have a blessed Easter everyone 🙏

[@baoduong2203]

In the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Divine Liturgy for the Mystical Supper also occurs in the morning on Thursday. Afterwards during the night the matins service for Friday will be said at night (12 passion gospels service). For Byzantine Catholics that I’ve seen. The Divine Liturgy for the mystical supper occurs during the evening. Which may mean that the matins service may be omitted, modified for 6 passion gospels or do the full 12). A little difference between Byzantine Catholics and the orthodox.

[@edelmiraespinosa9689]

I was born 1955, November 19th

[@marybedward9381]

The TLM is beautiful 🙏

[@tdexter4959]

There's much to love in the old ways, and I'd love to see the whole Church revive those beautiful practices, but I definitely prefer our current schedules. Staying close to the times of day the events took place helps me enter into the mysteries.

[@remycallie]

Agree 100%.

[@miashay2524]

Westminster Cathedral is my home parish. We have beautiful Sung Mass. Our Cardinal Vincent is a wonderful father to us. I attend Mass in Boston MA where I live.

[@diannealice3601]

The pre-55 liturgy is noticeably more powerful. So amazing!

[@tomgreene1843]

How so?

[@lorian4366]

@@tomgreene1843 Liturgical events throughout the entire day, especially the beautiful practice of tenebrae. Nowadays Holy Thursday is stripped to one evening mass, as is Holy Saturday.

[@ggmnope2136]

Our Holy Saturday mass was 4 hours long.(8:30pm-12:30am) It was beautiful, we had 75 neophytes welcomed into our parish and the church was full with about 1000 people. Our parish celebrates 2 Latin masses per month which only started in 2021 and our parish has grown unbelievably because of it and mass attendance is very high. I wish we would go all the way Traditional, it has brought me so much closer to God.

[@jamesdulany2176]

Don't know if you noticed the dates on that 1939 program, but they line up exactly with our calendar this year for when Holy Week is.

[@DrTaylorMarshall]

Yes. I forgot to mention that. Pretty cool.

[@winstonsmith9533]

Yes I like early Mass on Holy Thursday

[@archimandritegregory7730]

Washing of the feast is done in the afternoon apart from the Divine Liturgy done in Cathedrals and monasteries

[@ameliaoc]

I think the a.m. Mass on Maundy Thursday was because back then, one had to fast for at least 12 hours before receiving Conmunion, so late evening or night mass woukd not be possible for working people or women at home with their babies and children.

[@lizzierixom1676]

I love this, I wish it still happened, our good Friday service was ultra depressing, and so was Holy Thursday, with all these women in jeans getting their feet washed and kissed, sooo depressing 😢

[@abigail11585]

Absolutely just beautiful

[@franktoyou]

How mercy full the Church is.

[@donnah4900]

Love this!!! Would prefer the morning! God bless you and your family! Happy and Blessed Easter!

[@wilhelmbrummer2226]

Thank you so much for sharing that that the last supper earlier was in the morning. Much better so !

[@truthwhatisthetruth]

We have twelve readings every year 🥰

[@user-tw9ls4ut3r]

We are down to only four.😢

[@lindaismail4811]

Thank you this confirms more for me. Great full :)

[@brandeuces]

My SSPV chapel in Cincinnati follows the 1955 liturgy. We also have a SSPX chapel 30 minutes away for the 1962 liturgy.

[@christophmatthiashagen1745]

The Liturgy is the same according 1955 and 1962.

[@alisa4124]

​@@christophmatthiashagen1745 No, the ceremonies of Holy Mass are different, and there are other differences for example the inclusion of Saint Joseph's name in the Canon, the abolition of the Last Gospel's Proper etc etc

[@christophmatthiashagen1745]

@@alisa4124 The Liturgy of Holy Week is that of 1955 in the Missal of 1962. The editio typica of 1962 is the first one in which the new rites of Pius XII. are incorporated.

[@alisa4124]

@@christophmatthiashagen1745 What I'm trying to say is that the Missal in force in 1955 was the Missal of 1920, with the older ceremonies of Holy Week replaced that year by Pius XII for new ones and later codified (as you rightly point out) by John XXIII in 1962; but the are some differences between the 1920 and 1962 Missals than go further than Holy Week, although those outside of Holy Week are very minor in comparison

[@christophmatthiashagen1745]

@@alisa4124 The new rites where manated in November 1955 and therefore first used in the Holy Week and Easter 1956. Now, it is clear that essentially we both meant the same.

[@carrotspaghetti236]

First Holy Week memories are from 1964; very spriritual, they had all of us who had received our first communion in November do a procession in our now outgrown First Communion clothes...I don't have a scholarly understanding, but there seemed to be more impact then than now.

[@janicecolon-mahoney5397]

I would love to go back to early masses

[@ransomcoates546]

The old Mass of the Presanctified was essentially a ‘Missa sicca’. Cf. Fortescue and Jungmann on the subject.

[@lachele7099]

The washing of the feet still happens. I saw it last year and last night. Tenebre happens early in the AM, 7 or 730 at my church. No mass on Friday, we had Liturgy in the am, then 7 pm walk of the stations. Had confession today Friday. Next yr Ill go day and night, will take time off.

[@charcushman9507]

Great show!!!!

[@skypilot7162]

Bring back the pre-55 Holy Week.

[@AJPM802]

One thing to remember when looking at schedules like this is that we're seeing what was done 1) At a cathedral 2) In a major city 3) At a time when culture still retained much more Catholic influence. Under these circumstances you have an abundance of clergy, servers, singers, sacristans, etc. to even make this possible, and many laymen may have even had these days as holidays from work. I suspect things were different at smaller rural parishes (certainly in terms of having pontifical functions) which I'd think in many ways are more analogous to all but the very biggest urban traditional parishes (or maybe someplace like St. Mary's KS if they did the pre-55) we have today.

[@gentlelamb5199]

I was wondering why my father lasance missal had Saturday liturgies described as starting in the morning. Now I know

[@lizolson282]

Thank you Dr. Marshall for putting the work into learning all of this wonderful wisdom. May God richly bless you always!❤✝️💟🕊️🌅

[@timothymacdonnell9079]

I saw how ICKSP did it pre-1955. It was awesome!