Home Theater Sound Treatment - NO MORE ECHO with GIK Acoustics

[@Youthman]

Home Theater echo causes unintelligibility from dialogue. Today I share the upgrades I've made in my theater room to fix that. Check out GIK Acoustics here - bit.ly/GIK-Acoustics-1 More GIK Videos: Unboxing and Installing GIK Panels - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2jUZ36LYp2UfMk Replacing my DIY Panels with GIK - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXmudKlvfriBa5o Acoustic Treatment Makes a Difference - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYule56qapmoars Installed GIK Monster Bass Traps - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3jEnp55e5KhrZY GIK Visualizer - www.gikacoustics.com/room-acoustics-visualizer/ -------- Pricing on Home Theater products - youthmanreviews.com/sales/ Home Theater Tours Merch - hometheatertours.com/merch Visit hometheatertours.com to submit yours for a possible tour - hometheatertours.com.

[@randalllawkin]

Notice your a Christian(lukewarm or real) but brace yourself and your family if you live on the east coast. I currently live in Tampa Bay, but the holy spirit led some of us either to move or to gather water and canned food for the great tsunami and the famine. He is going to shake this nation so people come back to him. I don't know what your relationship is with the creator, but since I sub to you might as well be obedient and spread the word. If your spirit doesn't receive this just ask him yourself to lead you and you family. To confirm he even lead my wife and I to other KZbinrs that had similar warnings either by dream or scripture which he led me to Ezekiel...which had my heart racing but felt it was a justification for this nation. It's not going to be pretty as barely any pastors talk about the second trumpet rev.8:7-8.God bless you and you family and spread the word and pray for wisdom. P.S. I'm just a regular dude and never done anything like not even religious just being obedient if you truly understand.

[@Youthman]

You are correct Randall, I am a born-again Christian, a follower of Jesus and also was a student pastor for 23 years. My faith is integrated into every aspect of my life, even my two businesses (Website Development and Youthman). The Bible is very clear that in the end times it will get considerably worse. We must all be ready. God bless.

[@__the_ufo__8462]

Excellent however I think echo is more annoying in concrete rooms of 850cm by 540cm by 960cm. Anyway thanks for the video.

[@SpecOfTech]

Your theater has come such a long way, and it was already a killer setup when I joined your channel coming up on 2 years ago. A lot of great information in this video. Acoustic treatments is something that I would like to do in the very near future as well.

[@Youthman]

Thanks brother. Thanks for being a great friend and for being a subscriber for so long

[@marknelson801]

Great video Michael. This is such a true issue with most systems. GIK does an amazing job and they are great to work with. My main system is fully treated by GIK. I’m currently waiting on an order for my office. I picked up some Polk Legend L600s recently and now that I have a real system in the office it needs to be treated for the best 2 channel listening possible. Great job man.

[@Youthman]

Thanks Mark and congratulations on the L 600s. I really enjoyed those speakers.

[@lio1234234]

Awesome video! Just remember that decay times need to be as linear as possible throughout the frequency spectrum. If you absorb one area of frequencies a lot more than the others (uneven room decay times), things can start sounding weird 😉

[@Youthman]

Thank you for the tip Elliott

[@FOH3663]

As always, solid content. Michael, seeing that underutilized area up top above and around your mains... the theater could truly benefit from a massive amount of additional bass trapping... more of a brute force approach;) and it'd be quite easy. GIK is awesome. The existing panels look great, and work great, but aren't likely addressing critical bass range enough, that would truly elevate bass performance. I understand the appeal of your approach utilizing ready made products like GIK. But nothing has the performance/price ratio of massive amounts of pink fluffy absorption. I point this out because that entire area around your speakers and all the way up to the ceiling above, all of it,... would benefit greatly from being filled with fluffy batts of insulation. Hung vertically, or folded over like pairs of pants. Or even techniques like chicken wire, or plastic bird netting attached and stretched side to side, adds well needed support preventing overly compressed material. I'd fill it all, the entire area possible behind the screen and all the way up. - This addresses two significant performance issues; 1.) Primarily, all that air mass up around the cabinets, there's a ton of output radiated in all directions, and nothing good comes from it. All that acoustic early reflected energy destructively corrupts the wave-launch. Eliminating as much of that as possible cleans up the direct sound, stripping away that latent energy arriving a short time after the direct energy. You're striving for a nice clean ITD, or Initial Time Delay, enabling the listener to form a distinct reconstruction of the recorded event. 2.) Secondarily, as much damping possible in the front-to-back axis attenuates those resonances, as well as brings down and evens up decay times in the LF. All this, diy'ed for a couple hundred dollars in material, would dramatically improve everything top to bottom, imaging/soundstaging, etc. Most significantly, increasing bass definition and clarity,... with greater resolution of transient effects. The next step would be as much bass damping as possible at your rear wall, ... the entire surface ideally. Then, if needed/as needed, on the face of the trapping... bring in any diffusion necessary for liveliness etc. I know that's a lot, and I get it... everything in due time, I know. Just wanted to share. Appreciate the content.

[@Youthman]

I certainly appreciate the info. I would be willing to do something like that up front behind the cabinet. Need to do some research for sure. Thanks again!

[@pyrocrew13]

Loving your videos. We recently moved and my wife has given me an area to start upgrading my home theater area. Almost done. Waiting for a few more items and I will be doing my Dirac live hopefully this weekend.

[@Youthman]

Thanks for the kind words and congrats on your home theater! That’s exciting

[@TheReverendSlim]

I'm wrestling with doing this in the near future. My room had some pretty obvious issues, but I recently had insulation blown into my attic and an adjoining wall (1963 built house), and that totally changed the sound of the room. I have two old Acoustimac panels on the side wall across from a heavily-draped window and that seems to deal with first reflections to the sides... and I don't particularly hear obvious slap echo in the room. However, I do have some frequency issues around 100Hz that have me considering bass traps on the front wall, and I have a wooden door that seems to make my right rear surround more generalized than I'd like, so it may be time to dig into treatments soon.

[@kashmiri911]

Beautiful setup love the gray color on the walks , could you share the color and brand info please . Thanks subscribed

[@thomascochran3641]

Curious about your Reverberation Time (RT). For your room size, the usual recommended RT, is about 300 to 400 msec. I'm sure you know this. That just seems like a lot of broadband absorption in your room. Also, Anthony Grimani recommends diffusion on the rear ceiling. Not a criticism, just an observation. Thanks.

[@Youthman]

Appreciate the feedback. Honestly, I’ve never measured RT. I’d have to research to see how to measure that. There have been times I’ve wanted to remove some of the front scatter plates from the acoustic panels as most of my panels are what I would consider a combo panel, which has both absorption and reflection

[@TaylorMadeTheater]

Finally! Crank it up! still need those corner traps, those make the most noticeable difference to bass response.

[@Youthman]

For many years I had corner traps in one corner. I decided to measure with and without them and was absolutely surprised that they made zero difference in my frequency response. Not sure if I needed them in more than one corner

[@TaylorMadeTheater]

@@YouthmanBasically there is no corner of my room without 6 to 12 inchs of studio foam. I filled ever corner with them wall to wall plus curtains and GIK panels in every available spot, I went with 8 12"cubes in all the corners and about 40 24"x12" sections everywhere else . I don't have a way to measure yet but I can hear a huge improvement. Have to turn it up louder now after calibration so looking forward to and external amp. The room sound isn't dead either, I feel like It would take anechoic chamber levels of foam or rockwool to kill the room character. I also want a cloud panel hung at the main reflection points on the celling. You might need stuff larger than 12 inches deep for an impact in that large of a room.

[@everyday_life1991]

Hello what are some inexpensive acoustic panels you would recommend for the front row sound?

[@Youthman]

DIY

[@spencerbigum1309]

Great overview- was hoping to hear a clap test in the treated room. I’m waiting on my order from GIK and this video has me very excited in anticipation of the results!

[@Youthman]

Not sure what you’re expecting from a clap test in a treated room. You won’t hear it echo lol

[@spencerbigum1309]

well yea lol. But I wanted to hear a direct A/B comparison, it's much easier to hear the amount of echo that was removed with a clap vs. your voice that stayed at relative volume level. Either way it was obvious that the treatment is doing an incredible job and the room looks even better so once again great job!

[@Youthman]

Thanks. I just went in the theater room and did the clap test and there’s no echo. Maybe I could make a short video just on the clap test. Some thing for people to try at home just to see how much echo is in their room

[@darkashkev5461]

Yay Kansas! I live just right out of the city! Hope you have a fantastic time here! Don't forget to eat some Joe's KC BBQ!

[@Youthman]

Thank you for the recommendation. I’m sure the locals know all the great restaurants

[@nedkulic2164]

Well done Michael, Lol... I'm in the same boat I have started adding panels. Sort of taking advice from audio holics... Mixing it up with 1D, 2D 2D absorbers, diffusers.... Yet to test.

[@Youthman]

Congrats Ned. I have a lot to learn in the area of acoustics.

[@nedkulic2164]

@@Youthman Thanks Michael same here.... Very costly, have had to go seconds and DIY....there are so many theories lol.... I chose one and take it from there.... I picked up an NX7... Yet to kick start. I've done the all format Setup.. Auro-3d and the rest..... 😉

[@Youthman]

Congrats on the NX7!

[@victormuriel7266]

Michael thanks for sharing your knowledge with us, beautiful house by the way. Blessings to you and your. 🙏🏻

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly Victor

[@JurajHatina]

Very nice adding those panels on the ceiling! I didn’t hear you talking about the improvements of the sound though. Was it audible enough with this upgrade for the atmos soundtracks etc.? Thank you!

[@Youthman]

Over the past month, I have been developing four websites for clients of mine, and I also have four videos to edit for another client so I have not had the opportunity to demo after all the treatments have been completed. I still need to run odyssey and re-calibrate mini DSP because so much has changed acoustically in my room. Hoping to get some time available over the next month to dial everything in

[@scarridale]

Hi, Michael! Really enjoy your channel. Do you have close neighbors, and if so, with your current setup, how well is sound contained within your theater? Any noise complaints?

[@Youthman]

Yes we live in a gated community, my yard is not very big at all so the neighbors are fairly close. They have never once told me they can hear the theater room so apparently my home was built pretty well

[@scarridale]

@@Youthman Thanks for the reply! I’m currently building in a close quiet neighborhood and will have theater room upstairs with similar equipment to yours. I did add extra insulation and double drywall, but I’m still worried about bothering neighbors. Hopefully I will be able to enjoy my room without disturbing others! Thanks again!

[@Youthman]

I have found building good relationships with your neighbors can go a long way. I told both my neighbors from the beginning, if it ever is too loud, please do not hesitate to text or call me and I will gladly turn it down

[@Youthman]

I have yet to receive a text or a phone call

[@scarridale]

@@Youthman I plan to do the same. Communication and respect is key.

[@inlandchris1]

I don’t understand why the little deflectors work, I its not enough. I was in a convention center’s auditorium and the walls had 2 inches of foam rubber covered with a beige cotton cover throughout all the walls. The ceiling (30 ft high) had some design to disperse the sound. They had line speakers on the ceiling and other speakers. I thought the sound was great and I didn’t hear reflections. What would happen if you did the same on your walls? DIY.

[@voiceofreason9238]

Great video, great topic. Thanks, Youthman!

[@Nevin_Tom_Philip]

Hey Youthman I have a question. The dialogue level varies from movies to movies right. So do you increase or decrease the center channel level .And if you do how much db is the max or min you adjust.

[@pjones2666]

great video! what colour are your theater room walls? im quite taken :)

[@Youthman]

I listed them in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/moaoYp-dbtp2Y8k

[@johnwaugh8633]

For behind your screen, try duct board. It comes in 4x10, sheets, it's already black on one side. The best place to get it is a Johnstone Supply. You can make a cash customer account. To see prices or buy stuff they make you have an account but once I figured out that I could do that, problem solved. Anyways, a sheet is a little less than $50, you can install them with screws and large washers. And it can be cut with a hand saw.

[@Youthman]

Thanks for the tip

[@psyphonyxaudio]

Really cool idea to start in the big space ..and ten move to your theater. I suppose we can do an A - B comparing your theater from this video and past videos also. Nice to " hear " that it's all been a successful adventure =)

[@psyphonyxaudio]

... I see what you got on the floor there too.. Descent !! =) Nice.

[@psyphonyxaudio]

- ... You could experiment with wedges in your ceiling / side wall corners also.. Might help with mids.

[@Youthman]

You spy some subwoofers? 😉

[@psyphonyxaudio]

@@Youthman - Maybe .... lol =)

[@Youthman]

It’s been slow cranking out videos since I’m developing 4 websites for my clients (2 of which are over 40 pages) and also editing 4 videos for another client.

[@bradleyjackson3045]

I am currently looking at going separates. I've been looking at some emotiva products as far as powered amplifiers go. I see some that states audiophile amplifier and some not. Whats the difference between having one that states audiophile on it??

[@edwinabuel3174]

Hi Youthman! I love you GIK panels. I have a question regarding acoustic panel. I wanted to get GIK panels but my speakers are Bipole and Dipole . Do you think it will make difference or affects the sounds quality because those speakers rely on reflection to create a bigger soundstage.

[@Youthman]

I have wide dispersion side and rear surrounds. My GIK panels are combo panels so they still allow for reflections.

[@edwinabuel3174]

@@Youthman I try there Alpha series for my sides and rears and 244 for my fronts as in wont allow me to put Tri traps in fronts but for my back wall it will.Hopefully it will work in my HT. Thanks Michael 💎

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

Lovely !!!

[@0-0_oOo_0-0]

Hey Youthman, in the price range of the Klipsch Rf7iii, is there anything you would recommend more? Thanks!

[@Youthman]

It all depends on the sound that your ears prefer. The RF7 III are a great all around speaker for both movies and music.

[@EndoMTB]

I’m building theater room for when my new home gets built. I havnt auditioned too many speakers. I’ve heard Focal, Klipsch, some Best Buy Magnolia room stuff (not really impressed). I see you have been a fan of Klipsch and that you ultimately went with JTR. I like the sound of Klipsch maybe it’s the horns?? I want to feel the impact when I watch movies. At the top of my list I’m looking at the new JBL Synthesis in wall speakers, SCL 6,7, and 8. They have compression drivers and maybe that’s the sound I want. Should I consider JTR?? Thoughts Youthman?

[@droidzhunterz6861]

Damn the room looks very busy now. Since the panels don't color match the walls, they stand out. Also they cast shadows being offset from the wall. To me that would be distracting when a movie is playing. I would hide that behind black stretch fabric, or full length AT curtains.

[@Youthman]

We all have different ideas of what looks good in our rooms. That’s what makes our theaters unique to each other.

[@primetime1324]

Where did you get the blackout curtains?

[@Youthman]

Here is the video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5LagpKXYqmBrKssi=a3j1bTxVyKkhuebz

[@avtechman77]

Youthman.. Where would you put the VOG Auro 3D/DTS-X/IMAX ENHANCED Speaker? It's next on my list. I do currently have the Center Front Height

[@Youthman]

I have an Atmos setup. No need for VOG channel

[@Youthman]

And I don’t see IMAX Enhanced ever taking off.

[@avtechman77]

@@Youthman I'm hearing rumors that Disney will announce the adoption of IMAX ENHANCED on Disney+ Day. Hopefully we will finally get to see "Infinity War" & "Endgame" without black bars on a 16:9 screen and a much more dynamic uncompressed audio mix. I got my fingers crossed 🤞

[@Youthman]

I guess anything is possible. I don’t get gray bars on Cinescope formats so IMAX Enhanced visually doesn’t do anything for me.

[@lekynson]

Nice video as usual. I ordered a bunch of acoustic panels from Giks since July, it is now November and I'm still waiting for them to be delivered. They don't answer calls either. Poor customer service so far. I might not order from them again.

[@Youthman]

Thanks not good. I’ll share your comment with my contact.

[@lekynson]

@@Youthman Thank you Sir!

[@Farly98]

Thank you for this

[@kevonmanuel]

Only people who live in Mansions have to deal with these issues. Youthman is a baller. 😁

[@Youthman]

Mansion? Oh you are referring to my neighbor that is outside our small community with the 14,000 square foot house. My home is far from being a mansion.

[@kevonmanuel]

@@Youthman Brother, You need a huge ladder to reach your ceiling. Me, If I tiptoe, I can lick my ceiling.

[@Youthman]

My ladder is 6’ ceiling is 10’ I’m 5’11”. No issues.

[@jadan2000]

hey buddy.. Are the scatter plates reflective?

[@Youthman]

Yes, I mentioned that in this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYule56qapmoars. I may cover the front two with speaker cloth to tame the reflection I get from the light off my screen.

[@jamescools3971]

What if I have upfiring speakers, is it still possible to add acoustic panels on the ceiling?

[@Youthman]

Great question. Unfortunately with a fire in speakers, they require a flat surface so it would not be ideal to add in ceiling panels above your upfiring Atmos speakers

[@rahulamate7320]

Are u used a baffel wall Acoustic in theater room or in living room

[@Youthman]

I’m not sure what your question is

[@rahulamate7320]

@@Youthman sir baffal wall is acoustical pannel between LCR . So I need some information about that

[@Youthman]

I do not have any experience with a baffle wall.

[@samidebs3559]

I already know it’s about the journey Michael but did you watch any a new movies 🎥 lately!?

[@Youthman]

Next on my list is DUNE But I have 4 websites to develop for my clients (two of which are over 40 pages), and also 4 videos to edit for another client. Needless to say I’m doing good to get one video uploaded on KZbin a week

[@samidebs3559]

@@YouthmanI always like to watch your videos and the way you explain the topic 👍

[@Youthman]

I appreciate that Sami

[@veistelija]

Nice MAN! 👍

[@Breakinlife007]

What in ceiling speakers are you using? What would you suggest to use with the SVS Ultra towers and finally do you suggest any speakers to step up past the SVS speakers? Thank you ahead of time.

[@Youthman]

If you have Ultra Towers, look no further than the SVS Prime Elevation for Atmos. There are many models and brands that would be an upgrade from SVS but that’s all preference and can be said about any brand.

[@subcook32]

I too have a 150 cm tv. Flexing here.

[@dgc940]

Man you love the Klipsch brand huh

[@Youthman]

I have owned a few Klipsch speakers and enjoy their higher end models.

[@dgc940]

@@Youthman I didn't mean anything by the comment i have just watched quite a few of your videos for a while now and always notice the copper color.

[@Youthman]

I didn’t take offense to it. 😉

[@Youthman]

Over the years, I have owned over 50 pair of Klipsch speakers. My ears have always enjoyed the detail and clarity from horn loaded speakers. JTR has similar characteristics but take it to the next level. I still have Klipsch surrounds and Atmos

[@hakansalihoglu]

I watched the video and I was seriously disappointed because I wanted to see how an acoustic solution could be found for a hall in a scenario where everyone is watching a movie in their hall. Unfortunately, I came across a specially designed cinema room. I still want to share what I know. When people design an acoustic panel, they say that they placed glass wool or rock wool between a wooden frame and covered it with cloth to make an acoustic panel, but this is unfortunately very wrong. They need to add sponge between the glass wool or rock wool panel. The fabric should be a special acoustic fabric. Now it's time for other mistakes, carpets are not used on the floor in many homes or they prefer small or thin, lint-free carpets. If the carpet is thick and has a lot of lint, it is a great acoustic solution for the floor. Now it's time for sofa sets. Fake or real leather products do not absorb sound, so these products are wrong. For example, a velvet fabric sofa set provides a great acoustic solution. Now it's time for curtains, people use polyester curtains today. If cotton or velvet curtains were used instead, they would have obtained a great acoustic solution. So let's list them, curtain - carpet - sofa set, these are great acoustic solution products. All kinds of products, including tablecloths, will be a solution to acoustics if they are not polyester. In short, when we consider a 40 m² living room, there will be TV, sofa set, coffee tables, carpet, curtains, dining table, dining table chair, bookcase, table back, cupboard where plates are placed, tables, accessories, etc. and as I said in these living rooms, if the sofa set is not fake or real leather, if the curtains are preferred cotton or velvet fabric and if the carpet is thick and big, the echo will be largely solved. I believe that there will be no problem in normal houses up to 1000w rms values, including the subwoofer. If there is a big problem, the subwoofer will vibrate the object, so if a vibration-proof foot or sponge is added under it, I think the problem will be solved. If an acoustic solution is needed, I think a decor can be created with acoustic strips with felt backs instead of ugly panels.

[@starlightgrecording559]

Gerard Stroh*** Hi Michael Stevens*** Well This Morning I ordered A Big Dayton Audio 21 inch Vortex Pro Sub Woofer Speaker and it's A 2,000 Watts Continuous power and 4000 watts peak and thats at 4 Ohms and the Speaker and 110 pounds in a wooded Shipping Box and it's 97.7 Db Sensitivity and It's A Very Heavy Speaker and It Has A Double Stack Magnet and A Double Wound Voice Coil and A Duel Spider and A 5 inch Voice Coil and it Has A 42mm Xmax Exursion and thats almost 2 inches forward and backword motion and It Has High Spl Level That The Speaker That Puts Out**** I am Putting That Speaker in A Big Bass Guitar Cabernet That Had an 18 inch Speaker and I Made A low tune port and I made A Heavy New Front Board inside The Speaker Cabernet*** Later I Have to Find A Poweramp Thats over 2000 Watts at 4 Ohms or 3000 Watts Of Power with Dsp Built into the amp or an Electronic sub Crossover for my new speaker so all together I will have 6 Sub woofer Speakers For My home theater set up**** Thats my story**** Bye From Gerard Stroh***

[@farheezil]

When did you replace the Scala's and SVS's?

[@Youthman]

LaScalas were replaced 7 months ago - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnynYmh7epljrpY

[@Youthman]

SVS were replaced over a year ago - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5yxi6iLnc-DbNk

[@Youthman]

Seems like you have a lot of videos to catch up on lol

[@farheezil]

@@Youthman I pop in and out, but your channel is always value added.

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly 😉

[@victorpulos823]

Good video

[@Youthman]

Thank you

[@WindomRettes]

Nice Crib Michael.

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly

[@alpha_ray_burst]

@12:56 That curtain rod's lookin at me...

[@Youthman]

Ok

[@rajopotamus]

What wall clear system did you use to mount your wall panels? Did you place the cleats into studs or use drywall anchors? I have 28 panels GIK to put up and would love any ideas that makes it easier!

[@Youthman]

I shared the cleats I used in several of the previous videos. I used drywall anchors.

[@rajopotamus]

@@Youthman my apologies! I saw them I just didn’t remember seeing a direct reference. Are there links in those videos so I can go back and rewatch?

[@Youthman]

This is what I have used for years - www.atsacoustics.com/item--acoustic-panel-installation-hardware--IK12.html

[@rajopotamus]

@@Youthman thank you!! I used them to hang my panels and it worked out well! You definitely helped me out !!

[@jasonsullivan8001]

Awesome house.

[@Youthman]

Thank you Jason. We rented for the first 15 years of our marriage. This is the first home that we bought 14 years ago. At that time we had four children so we were way past starter home lol. And I don’t like to move so I wanted to build a home that we could raise a family in and our kids can invite their friends over to hang out and spend the night. That was a great way for us to get to know their friends and who they were hanging around

[@hilde45]

Enjoyed this video. Based on what I’ve learned here and elsewhere, I’ve tried to put together a primer for folks starting to raise their audio game a bit. Possibly of interest. This is a strictly not-for-profit, hobbyist video. No selling, just love of sound. HERE: Audiophile Short #8 Auditioning Speakers; 10 Commandments to Get Better Sound. I run through 10 foundational and largely sequential steps to improving the sound of your two channel audio system. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqW3gnR-mpqfjJI

[@noneya4734]

2 WORDS - French Cleats

[@garyharper2943]

Nice shorts! Socks …not so much.

[@AeroDude73]

“Echo causes unintelligibility for dialogue.” Well yea. But aside from This video topic, you’ve lived with unintelligible dialogue for 14 Years? I highly doubt You would have just Lived With that IF it were Truly an issue That bad. 🤷‍♂️ 🤔

[@Youthman]

As I mentioned in the video, my original DIY panels helped with cleaner dialogue. That is just one of the benefits of treating your room whether you go with DIY or commercial acoustic panels.