Installed GIK MONSTER Bass Traps with Flex Technology

[@johnrussell9263]

I've been watching your videos for months and literally just found out you're my cousin in law 😂😂 anyway keep up the great work, love the info you provide

[@Youthman]

Haha too funny John. Reach out to me at [e-mail].

[@jdub2354]

Hi Michael, Those panels are only good for 100+hz and help eliminate front wall reflections and decay times( which yours look good) but you really need something like 4+ft of absorption to help in that 30-80hz range. You also didn't mention if these were crossed over to the subs or were you running full range?

[@Youthman]

Yes I recently found out that “bass traps” and panels do not really effect low frequencies but remarked more mid bass. My LCR are crossed over at 60Hz

[@FURognar]

Yeah you need bass traps to affect the lower frequencies as the absorbtion for frequencies below 100hz are so thick

[@jdub2354]

@@Youthman Have you played with the sub distance to see if it's a delay issue with the center speaker?

[@tkcdac]

"In a moment I will lift my 150 inch screen"... Yep, we found the flex in the presentation... LOL

[@Youthman]

If lifting a light weight screen with one finger is flexing, I’m pretty weak. 🤣🤣🤣 The purpose of my content is to inspire, educate and entertain. It’s not meant to brag. 😉

[@ryangilmore234]

These graphs are nice and all but how does it sound to your ear? Did you notice a difference?

[@myhometheater7029]

I could tell a difference in my old theater when I added panels behind my screen. Those panels look great.

[@3dmazter]

Great results. Im sure that extra pannels behind your screen will improve the sound quality even more. Please show more measurements when you do.

[@MyFatherLoves]

I know this is a super old video and I apologize if this has already been addressed. It seems like the monster bass traps helps ever so slightly for the FR in-room (didn't help your already very impressive spectro-decay) but what you're room really needed was GIK's tuned membrane traps. Specifically their T40 traps. They would help significantly tone done your bass decay under 40hz, at 40hz, and just over 40hz. Like, those tuned traps help tremendously. Don't know if they were even available 3yrs ago. But FWIW, good info to have.

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly. I provided photos and dimensions of my room to GIK. This was what they recommended.

[@MyFatherLoves]

@@Youthman Wow! Wasn't expecting a reply on such an old video. I mean, it certainly helped. There's proof in the video. It sounds like they just didn't have the tuned membrane traps out then. Thanks for all you do!

[@Youthman]

Could have been. I’m not sure. Have a great day.

[@gtk_NO]

T40 are 10 inches deep and need to be located in a pressure zone to work.

[@MyFatherLoves]

@@gtk_NO There's likely to be a crap-ton of pressure above the RS2's...

[@Espiritiv]

LINACOUSTIC duct liner on your front wall would have been a nice start.

[@TheDabbinDave]

Damn, I saw “MONSTER bass” and thought “he went fishing!” 😂 Michael, how close is your furnace to your theater? If it’s so close that you can hear the force of the wind on the supply vent, can you instal an adjustable barrel inside the duct to control the flow? In the summer, I barely have the baffle open and it’s comfortable in my man cave. In our Michigan winters, I have it fully opened come January when the cold settles into the concrete of the basement. My furnace is extremely close to my man cave. It’s in the next room, which the wall is just thin paneling! I’ve been wanting to put up insulation to help minimize the noise.

[@Youthman]

I live in Florida so no furnace hear. If you are hearing it in the mic, is either the air vent or the return.

[@TheDabbinDave]

@@Youthman When I run Audyssey, I shut the AC/heat off. Even the USB fan on top of my x7200wa gets turned off, and the mini-fridge, and the deep freezer. People in the house aren’t allowed to move!!!! LOL. Cheers bud!

[@Youthman]

I get it. Unfortunately when I turn my air off it still continues to run. I probably just need to replace the thermostat.

[@TheDabbinDave]

@@Youthman the WiFi controlled thermostats are great, especially for stuff like this! When we first got ours installed, I pranked our daughter. The system was installed in the summer. I cranked the heat up why my wife and I were out. Fifteen minutes later, she texts me “why is it so hot in the house!!!”

[@jdub2354]

@@Youthman have you checked to see if the fan is set to ON instead of auto?

[@teknikalvette]

Nice work, I work for an acoustic treatment company and it's second to none. It would be awsome if you could plug it. Real acoustix is the company. Its treatment and art at the same time. Keep up the good work my friend and thank you!

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly

[@chuckschob107]

Install a small mini split system in the room for heat and ac

[@Youthman]

I have definitely considered it

[@downersup2]

@Youthman with your front sound stage of 3 JTR Noesis 212s and massive subs (which look sealed) but still with that much power do you ever vibrate the screen to the point that it’s noticeable? Thanks so much!

[@marcalvarado1915]

Since GIK is sponsoring the videos maybe you can ask them to help interpret the waterfall and spectrogram graphs? Just a thought as I have no idea what I’m looking at either and since they are supposed to be the experts…

[@Youthman]

Yes I can ask them. They provided some insight on the first demo I made.

[@samhofman6459]

I was just looking at some GIK bass traps today! I would love to see what the graph looks like with both Audyssey and the bass traps combined. Would also love to hear what your impressions were listening to music and movies after installing them. Thanks, love your reviews!

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly. Yes I still have to recalibrate after adding the panels. I’m debating whether to wait until I get the ceiling panels instaed as I will have to recalibrate another time as well.

[@samhofman6459]

Yeah, that's probably a good idea to do it after you have the ceiling ones installed as well. Thanks for the quick response!

[@hddanman7263]

@@Youthman im kinda curious if you can actually hear any difference and enjoy them

[@TaylorMadeTheater]

Nice. Save some money on the upper part by just getting some 12x12 acoustic foam cubes. some down facing spotlights could be nice for videos, when you lift the screen they come fade on. just need an automatic door opener to lift it.

[@jasonw6993]

I'd recommend working on the multiple sub integration to really fix the bottom end. You can add as many bass traps as you want and you will not fix that. Perhaps running the JTR's full range and blending the subs (once you find the right location and height) is what it will need.

[@Youthman]

Likely need an RS1 in the back right corner of my room

[@jasonw6993]

@@Youthman I have a UM18 that I built for sale. ;)

[@johnbenedict3325]

I would be interested to see how you would mount these on the ceiling.

[@beastscinema3964]

Nice 👌I guess I'm going to have to start looking at this too putting panels in my room

[@michaelkreisel3573]

I diy’d some panels about 6 months ago. It’s like a nite and day difference. You have to absorb some of those low frequencies. When you do the CLR will really shine and help with dialogue.

[@Youthman]

There’s no doubt acoustic treatment in my room has made a big impact on clarity and dialogue. Whether you use DIY or buy a commercial product like GIK it will make a huge difference

[@victorpulos823]

Good see you’re home theater again

[@rednecktech9485]

*your

[@Youthman]

Thanks Victor. Just trying to add some variety to the channel. 👍

[@victorpulos823]

@@Youthman I like it lot

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly

[@albanbirch]

@@rednecktech9485 Good to see you’re in your home theater again ;)

[@williamervin3272]

You should give MSO a try with your MiniDSP! It's a really cool program that uses REW measurements to optimize multiple subwoofers for multiple seating areas! Works pretty great for me!

[@PRIMEoptimus1989]

I’m a fan of your channel but i’ve been struggling to find reliable information about creating chest thumping bass in a small home theater room. I know the klipsch 8000f do it, even without a sub but they are too big for my room. I’m wondering if it’s possible to achieve chest thumping, precise and fast bass using smaller speakers with bigger subs. Or will i still be lacking mid bass 80hz+ that would usually come from the speakers.

[@sporegazm]

Been following you and commenting for a lot of years...and honestly, despite some of these crazy awesome home theaters you have shown off...I like your own setup the most. I love the way your screen lifts up and that beautiful looking setup behind it(and gear that makes me jealous 🤤😉) looks so clean. Love the wood cabinets below. Your home theater is probably one of my all time favs. I hoped to own JTR one day, but being far northwest in Canada, the dollar conversion, duty and shipping just kills me(i got a quote the other day for a 4000ulf...$6400 usd plus taxes, plus conversion. Probably be close to $9600 in my money :/ ). I just could never afford to get their speakers and multiple subs. So I will use your channel to help curb my desires haha 😉. I decided to go all PSA gear instead and will be posting some videos of my setup in the future hopefully. I kind of got off track there though. Just wanted to tell you how much I adore your setup. 😎 keep up the great content ✌️

[@Youthman]

I really appreciate the kind words. Glad the channel has been inspirational to you and your home theater. PSA makes fantastic subs as well. Definitely on JTR level.

[@sporegazm]

@@Youthman thanks! Yeah, I hear the comparison a lot. I have been extremely happy with my tv2112. So I went ahead and ordered a bunch of their mtm210 speakers and surrounds plus an additional tv2112. Tom is amazing to deal with and he is using great components and parts from what I can tell. Perhaps not JTR level(I know my speakers don't have that $900+ compression driver), but I hear I will be getting close to the performance, for a lot less money. Look forward to hearing them for myself for the first time! :) I watched your video about your experience with hans zimmer blu ray on your new speakers and it makes me grin. If I can get that kind of experience out of my new gear on the way....fully worth it and what this hobby is all about! Side note: it isn't advertised yet, but I believe tom is working and near completion on a dual 12" version of a loud speaker with a similar or same compression driver as jtr...and an active and passive version. For the rumoured 3000-3500 USD a speaker....definitely something to keep your eyes peeled for

[@ablerauer]

Great content. Question: Are your JTR speakers set below the center height of your AT screen? I’m installing my AT screen and cannot find a guide to speaker height for speakers behind the screen. I know the LCRs should be all the same speaker and height. Just wondering if the tweeter should be just below the center closer to ear level.

[@Youthman]

Ideally you want your tweeter to be as close to the height of your ears as possible. That was the main reason why I went with an MTM design where the coaxial driver (midrange and tweeter) are in the center of the speaker.

[@ablerauer]

@@Youthman Thanks for the quick reply. I really appreciate it. Long time follower, first time question. Thanks again.

[@Youthman]

Glad to help.

[@maxjonak6742]

What’s the best way you’ve found to prevent a projector from doubling as a space heater? Room gets real hot after a movie

[@Youthman]

I moved mine outside the room. Unfortunately all electronics generate heat. The fancy way would be to put the projector inside what they call a hush box. It illuminates any sound from the projector but also keeps it at a constant temperature

[@JuanJose-wt5yj]

Thanks for the video. It says you have 4 more panels, I recommend that you do this test, remove the 2 panels from the side walls that you have now and put the panels 17.8 cm thick, make measurements with REW and set between 125-500 Hz. It is a test that will not take time, it is to remove 2 panels and put the bass traps. I also looked at the TR (T20, T30, Topt). Written with translator Greetings

[@littlewicky1]

Another great video! Would it be possible for you to share the REW files? I am curious to see

[@droidzhunterz6861]

in pro cinema's the entire front wall is covered with absorbative material behind and around the speakers to effectively stop the SBIR effect. This is definitely happening in your room as well, judging by the graph. You could improve your room acoustics immensely if you fill up that cavity with fiberglass insulation Owens corning 703 or something similar. Then cover the front face with black fabric to finish it off. Do that and you will see and hear a real difference, also because the room correction won't have to make as many adjustments to correct the response.

[@dwj3005]

Nice but what happen to the Klipsch speakers.

[@Youthman]

You have 5 months of videos to catch up on - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnynYmh7epljrpY 😀

[@dwj3005]

@@Youthman oh sorry

[@Youthman]

No worries. I post 1-3 videos per week so it would be easy to miss

[@dwj3005]

@@Youthman again my apologies but I have a question what do you think about the panamax mr-4300 is it a good one to get.

[@Youthman]

I’m not familiar with that model. A friend gave me my Panamax. It’s an expensive surge protector as I believe it retailed for around $1,000.

[@MrMaxi3140]

Panels are dope!!! Regarding your LCR, I wonder if adding isolation feet to decouple and isolate can further improve the sound quality since you already have some sort of material under them? I can tell you that on my RC7 III, the Isoacoustics OREA series made a tremendous improvement especially in male voices and the overall sound stage/imaging. Pricey but well worth it. Ohh btw, I tried that foam pad that's supposed to isolate and improve sound, but for me it was cool aid. When comparing and contrasting both methods, I noticed the pads constricting certain frequencies and thus not letting my speaker open up. I'd try it and I would love to someday see a review on this somewhat neglected topic.

[@Youthman]

I can understand the concept behind isolation feet to reduce vibrations from transferring into my cabinet. I’m not seeing how they would improve soundstage or imaging. Maybe I’m wrong but that honestly doesn’t seem physically possible.

[@magnusdanielsson2749]

@@Youthman its true the main purpose for proper isolation feet is to decouple the cabinet from the floor but it can also reduce vibrations in the box. Giving the drivers a more stable ”platform” to work from. Its quite counter intuitive since the boxes on the feet are very ”wobbly” when you touch them (because of the very internal resonance that the feet give). The principal is the same as for heavy machinery in machine shops. To get the machine to be more still they place them on elastic feet (wich in those cades are metal due to the weight of the machines). But you need feet of proper material and they need to be matched to the weight of each corner of the speaker box. There is a swedish product named SD-feet that fulfill all of the above. And to those who arent aware. NO! spikes do not make your speakers ”stand still”. It is a myth come from improper understanding of the physics involved!

[@michaelkreisel3573]

Lookin good 👍.... progress.... I would never claim to know more than Anthony at GIK but I have to question the absorber/diffusor’s. Those shallow cut outs just wouldn’t seem to make a whole lot of difference. I was always under the impression that a sonic diffuser would have more of an impact for breaking up those sound waves. 🤷🏻‍♂️ and you don’t have any 🤔

[@C--A]

Those GIK impression series are absorbers with the slots on the front scattering some of the mids and highs. They do actually make a audible difference. I've got similar ones from a different company with a different design on the front. I've also got 2 GIK PolyFusors which are curved hybrid absorber diffusers. They diffuse the sound more than scattering.

[@RJ-xj3ct]

wait those 212s were flat down to 20hz?

[@Youthman]

This was with my subs on. They are flat down to 5Hz

[@ford1546]

(video 11:19) I thought there would be bigger differences. Was a little disappointed. Fabric or foam mats or similar wall mats would have worked better I think. Is it measuring microphone that is not measuring properly? You should have a flatter frequency response if you are going to have good sound.

[@Youthman]

I already have treatment on the rear and side walls so I would not expect a massive difference adding panels to the front wall. Microphone is a UMIK-1.

[@38special4ever]

You need to stuff that entire area. Not with panels but insulation material in fabric bags (kinda like multiple massive DYI pillows .. as many as you can fit).

[@Youthman]

Going to give the panels a shot first.

[@FURognar]

Run Audyssey after installing the panels then show the before and after.

[@Youthman]

Will definitely need to rerun Audyssey but not sure what that would show for the GIK panels.

[@FURognar]

@@Youthman there could be a greater improvement. The acoustic panels giving Audyssey more to work with.

[@TMERUNNR]

@@FURognar Absolutely Agree! The GIK panels with Audyssey work hand in hand beautifully within my room.👍

[@ford1546]

Hello. You should use the same type of sound reflection damping mats as (Linus Tech Tips) used. Can never imagine that these three plank / box variant will work so well! If you are going to have something on the wall then you should have something that works well and not something that works halfway. (Linus Tech Tips) also measures the room before and after sound acoustic treatment with microphone. Go watch his videos which are fairly new.

[@an0nymity666]

I watched that as well, but one side note is he only tested with his voice ... which would only cover a range roughly from 100Hz to 8kHz.

[@arijaglal7779]

Hey Michael, I’m thinking of GIK myself, I’ve heard a lot that they can come with a really chemical-y smell that takes weeks to dissipate, did you notice that with yours? PS: love to see your room progress!

[@jrep88]

Not an issue. More of a DYI problem.

[@Youthman]

I have not noticed any smell with any of the panels they have sent.

[@gingerninja7187]

Gik acoustics, are brilliant with assisting you with your needs, but on the other hand they are a business, I understand their is sometimes the need to use such acoustics, but when is it enough ,then on the other hand I’ve seen KZbin videos saying there isn’t any need 🤷‍♂️

[@Youthman]

The first thing I would recommend to sit in your primary, listening position and clap loudly once. If you hear an echo, you absolutely need acoustic treatment.

[@Youthman]

Without panels, my room has a NASTY slap echo which causes dialogue to be difficult to understand.

[@gingerninja7187]

@@Youthman I’m not saying you don’t need them , and yes my seating area has that nasty echo, so I’m in the process of making some acoustic panels, tbh I don’t think it would take much to replicate the Gik style of panels ,at a fraction of the costs, but obviously you need the knowledge and tools, but I do like the panels you have ,

[@Youthman]

100% agree you can make the panels and they’re going to sound just as good. I certainly do not have the tools nor the skills to create the design but you can absolutely save a ton of money if you have some DIY skills.

[@waynestevens2094]

Definitely know speakers son

[@Psyphonyx_Life]

3rd ... damn it .. im slacking. Kudos on the room treatments!!! Great work ! =)

[@Youthman]

Thanks Kanga. I’ll give you a head’s up next time 😉

[@Psyphonyx_Life]

@@Youthman ...I get notifications as is.. so this is on me.. haha. 🙏🙏

[@Youthman]

Haha. Thanks brother

[@Tearial311]

Acoustic treatment is a Huge deal.

[@Youthman]

Indeed it is.

[@Campbell1.]

If those bass traps behind the speakers are foam, I can tell you know that , that will not make any real difference at all. Foam DOES NOT reduce or attenuate low frequency. HOWEVER if these trap are diaphragmatic , then they will work

[@Youthman]

GIK does not use foam, they use insulation like most acoustic panels are made of.

[@gary4593]

I enjoyed your video clip did it made a difference watching a movie?

[@Youthman]

I have t watched a movie yet. Need to run Audyssey again first.

[@gary4593]

OK Thank you

[@pierrecastanets1974]

I really appreciate the video, but I must say I was expecting more benefit.

[@hometheaterfever5]

Too bad their customer service SUCKS. Always in a hurry to hang up plus I filled out their form and they were supposed to call back within 2-3 days. ITS BEEN 2 WEEKS 👎🏻

[@jrep88]

Yes they have some issues but you can DYI or find panels from another company. I had a bit of a wait but the product was high quality.

[@hometheaterfever5]

@@jrep88 Yup I’m in the process of making my own acoustic panels. Sound absorbers and bass traps.

[@GIKAcousticsLLC]

@HomeTheaterFever I'm really surprised to hear about this on here, we definitely value your feedback. We want to make sure you're taken care of, so feel free to call me personally if you'd like to discuss -Geoff Heilhecker, CEO

[@Auspice75]

I found them to be very responsive and helpful. I used the room visualizer, put in some very basic information, and had several emails back and forth with GIK over the course of two weeks while I tweaked my room layout and panel setup until I got exactly what I was looking for. The only negative is that my order got delayed another several weeks due to supply chain issues so I don't have my panels yet but that's entirely out of their hands.

[@tvtime1505]

Not impressed. Something is not right with GIK placement.

[@Youthman]

It’s ok. I didn’t build my room to impress anyone but me.

[@philgale1752]

This guy is just sellin .. shame .. i thought i liked him but no longer .

[@Youthman]

Sorry to hear you feel that way Phil. I realize my videos will not please everyone. Regardless, I appreciate your feedback.

[@m.e.g.a.100]

The room is too small ...

[@Youthman]

I’ll take a small room over no room any day. We bought this home 15 years ago and converted one of the rooms into a dedicated theater room. We absolutely love it and the truth is, i’m not here to please the Internet. But thanks for sharing. 😉

[@m.e.g.a.100]

@@Youthman The speakers, the screen, the projector, the seats, the pictures, the cables and the setup are beautiful, just the room is small!!!

[@m.e.g.a.100]

@@Youthman The speakers, the screen, the projector, the seats, the pictures, the cables and the setup are beautiful, just the room is small!!!

[@frankvee]

First.. ;-)

[@scottyo64]

Your Mom must be proud 👏

[@maheeinfy13]

Go Frank

[@frankvee]

@@scottyo64 Well, I had nothing to add, but I know comments and thumbs up helps the algorithm so whatever it takes to help Michael. I’m a team player. ;-)

[@Youthman]

I think you rock Frank.

[@kumar-dw1xe]

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