homemade woodgas wet scrubber part 2 (testing)

Its amazing how a little sink drain can be an excellent candidate for being a wet scrubber for woodgas. This video shows the proof in the pudding with a paper towel, and a nice clean flame that comes out of it. I am not saying that people shouldn't use solid mass as saw dust for filter media, I am simply making more options for people to use. I believe this works well due to High and low pressure. As the gas and water flow through the sink drain the gas particles need to combine together with the water compressing atomization and cleaning the gas greatly. Hope this helps people out in the wood gas community.

[@flash001USA]

You came up with a really good scrubber filter and I think I'm going to use this concept in my build once I get back on track again with my build. Thanks for sharing.

[@Josefppaz]

+flash001USA Again thanks buddy, you shared your thoughts with your great videos and got me into this woodgas experimentation, other wise would have never came up with this idea. im happy to share knowledge like you did. As of right now I have put woodgas experiments' on hold, busy with work and planning to get married moving out takes a lot of time. Flash I don't have this would gas machine anymore, this was just a testing and learning device on what I want to do in the future. I want to make a smaller device more compact then this one I have built. Again thanks for your inspiration man!

[@Josefppaz]

+flash001USA buddy I forgot to mention one last thing. Before the machine was gone I did a couple more experiments, I shared this with Dan as well. "The shaker grate" buddy if you make that thing flat with no vertical sides, instead of a bowl shape it made the thing work and flow really good no more back ups. what I used was a grill pan with holes. If you want me to make a video of this I will. just let me know if you try this let me know it worked really well for me man.

[@flash001USA]

+Josefppaz Thanks. I do remember you mentioning the new grate. What did you do with your gasifier?

[@Josefppaz]

+flash001USA Well buddy most of the parts I still have but mainly the gasifier is in gasifier heaven. Lol I know what your thinking why the heck after all that work would you do that. I really enjoy building things and drinking beer at the same time, this gasifier was just a rough draft and a big learning curve of what I aim to do next. This one I built was very bulky but great to learn by. when other people see this I think it was to much of a maze, so I want to compact it and simplify this even more like what you did. I have some great Ideas to do this and by cheep too, lol it’s the time I need to have to get this done but I will make new videos some time next year. Anyways Mike or Flash Merry Christmas man have a great new years bud Joe zinkowitz

[@flash001USA]

+Josefppaz Understood about the build being bulky. Before my wife passed last year I had already built a 3rd (and hopefully my final gasifier) which is a bit more compact then the one I have now. Don't get me wrong, I like the build but the truth is you could make one in a 10 gallon container especially if you are using wood pellets. I built the new one using a 100 gallon propane tank so it's still tall but it's skinnier plus it's much more robust due to the thickness of the container. This still allowed me to shrink the over-all size down by roughly 1/3rd of my original build. I have some good surprises for everyone on how I built the fire cone (hearth) this time around. I didn't use the trailer rim and instead I used a one gallon paint can filled with the mixture using the same steel fire cone and the job came out top shelf and it is much much simpler than cutting and welding the rim. This new hearth bolts on and the restriction throat bolts on too so this makes the gasifier 100% repairable and doing mods is as simple as it gets. I may send you some photos of the the hearth in the paint can. I'm like you man. I start off a bit clueless on projects like this and learn as I go but I think we all do that. Merry Christmas and have a happy new year.

[@Flashem2me]

Great idea with the water scrubber... awesome.. thanks for posting

[@caseyjo2566]

hey, Joe-ran a test last night-filter really just cleans that smoke like nothing else-I thought my gasifier went out, or something til I touched a flame to the flare! thanks for thinking outside the box, and allowing others to see the results. I'm really pleased with my new filter! Pete

[@Josefppaz]

Casey Jo Awesome Pete Glade to hear buddy

[@mada94fxr]

+Josefppaz . Hey there Joe, I am working with Flash on updating Mazdalorean's drawings that Flash sent me into AutoCAD drawings. With all the type written words and all. I want to know if you would mind letting me send him a drawing of your air inlet valve config, with it above the drum top. Just as an extra in the if the PDF file that will be on www.miniwoodgas. Buy the way, I thought that was an excellent idea doing it that way. Saves a pile of greif and aggravation.e-mail me back if you wish at mada94fxr@gmail,com Mark

[@Josefppaz]

Hi Mark most of my machine was very similar to Flashes design I just used ball valves instead, unfortunately I do not have the machine anymore. this was just a testing and learning device on how well it would work. I plan to make a more compact version of this machine in a later time. As for the valve configuration it was the same as flashes design. Mark my information is free knowledge for anyone thanks for asking

[@Josefppaz]

+mada94fxr Hi Mark most of my machine was very similar to Flashes design I just used ball valves instead, unfortunately I do not have the machine anymore. this was just a testing and learning device on how well it would work. I plan to make a more compact version of this machine in a later time. As for the valve configuration it was the same as flashes design. Mark my information is free knowledge for anyone thanks for asking.

[@bradpagnossin8647]

@@Josefppaz do you mean that you only get good gas blue. When you hooked up the water? Thanks.

[@mazdalorean]

Nice job. That blue color is really awesome . You can't take your eyes off of it. I guess once your bitten by the wood gas bug , you can't help but head toward the blue light. Thanks for sharing.

[@Josefppaz]

you bet thanks lol im like a deer with headlights man. Cant wait to see yours too :)

[@mazdalorean]

***** I started cutting wood today. Still have to work on the blower. I also ordered a flow meter today. I'd like to be able to view how much air is moving into the system. I just can't get it done fast enough though.

[@Josefppaz]

you know what, its funny I felt the same way, but building something is most of the fun anyway.

[@BITONYBLUE1]

Wow , absolutely gorgeous blue flame, thanks allot & thanks to flash

[@edge076]

So far the best gasifier I have seen.. ✌

[@Josefppaz]

Cheers 🍻 thanks man

[@glassblastcollision]

Im building a gasifier that has 6 - 3in burn tubes and i get one serious smoke stack which will not light as it probably has too much steam even though my fuel is dry wood pellets. So im looking for a way to clean the gas but have no steam. Wow ! Ya, so water bathing the tary sooty smoke ,and you don't get any steam coming back into the gas before it would enter an intake manifold.Just wondering how big of an engine you could run with your gasifier and and how many gallons of fluid you recirculate in you gas bath.One more question is how long will you run before you need to change your fluid.

[@ksg2606]

very smart, makes me imagine to make it in my home industry essentials

[@Josefppaz]

Thank you

[@danhaffy5026]

I thoroughly enjoyed learning from you, Sir.

[@Josefppaz]

My pleasure my friend

[@caseyjo2566]

pretty impressive!! I got a nice flare, but any filter is a good filter-I had thoughts on something similar, but your idea is so simple, I would like to try it. good job!

[@daleburnfart6845]

Great everything there. So when did you blow up your garage? I am most impressed that the ceiling hasnt caught fire yet.

[@Josefppaz]

😂 no not allowed to blow up the garage ,but interestingly the flame had very low BTUs.

[@watahyahknow]

might be a good add on to put an extractor hood over the two flamepipes if only to prevent the heat rizing up to set the ceiing on fire and keep unburned gasses from filling the room the gasifier is in

[@Josefppaz]

watahyahknow ya that's a good idea, for the most part I usually have the machine out side but thanks for the tip bud : )

[@r00ben]

I'm freaking out the whole video just waiting for your ceiling to catch on fire.

[@Josefppaz]

😂

[@ricardomcloudy25]

One question ! Your system is gasifier downdraft or Updraft? Does your system when it shows the flame of the color blue means that it does not pollens and no have to the tar?

[@DaivyDjimbi]

hell great job very nice bleu flam , congrat i wonted to know what is incide that square black box

[@Josefppaz]

I believe the only thing I had was a blower motor in that black box, siliconed the box to be for air tight. But literally the main thing was those water scrubbers did an awesome job

[@DaivyDjimbi]

@@Josefppaz Thank you very much

[@plainwornout3964]

At 3:50 you said there is no smoke coming out and I agree. The point I want to make is when you switched over to your vacuum and had it running awhile before you turned your pump on, there was no smoke then either. Seems there should have been smoke before you turned your pump on as there was smoke coming out of the other stack before switching over.

[@Josefppaz]

plainwornout3 absolutely bud i was thinking that maybe due to moisture in the pipes and antifreeze the smoke could also be attracted to this and clean it as well :)

[@rickyg6543]

Hello sir, I read in the comments you took your gasifier apart. Were you able to harvest and gas for stoves lights? I am interested to hear if this would run a gas heater? To replace propane?

[@Josefppaz]

Hi Ricky interestingly I found when I ran my little engine for about 20 minutes, the engine ran very cool to the touch. I wonder if this wood gas has less BTU for heat, mind you it was a cold day. As far as harvesting the gas I haven’t tried it. I would be very cautious even to try. The gas still has lots of oxygen going through the system, would be interesting to have a oxygen meter present to see. I have seen people wanting to compress the gas but I am not an expert on doing so. I find it can be very dangerous but it’s a different story if you know what you can do. As far as getting rid of the oxygen present in the gas I think there could be ways but lots of work. This type of gas is great for running a generator for a heater, but to replace propane that’s a good question. Best way to see how much carbon dioxide is present with wood gas maybe to measure with some gas meter. Unfortunately something i never tried. If the heater was in a garage I would rather heat it up with a rocket stove. Sorry could help much Ricky.

[@caseyjo2566]

I think you nailed it. have you ran a generator? I can't believe how clean your gas is, most impressive-can't stop watching your videos.

[@Josefppaz]

Casey Jo Thank you very much! very happy to have helped. I haven't run a generator yet but I have run my 5 1/2 hp engine on it and it works just fine. Buddy if you do use the wet scrubber idea make sure you have more suction then just little blower. lol I killed my shop vacuum for this experiment but it was well worth it. Cheers again I wish you the best let me know how it goesjoe

[@caseyjo2566]

I got my wet scrubber made-haven't got to test it yet, but very anxious to do so. tryin to get mine out of shop and out next to generator.....so any day now.

[@Josefppaz]

Casey Jo right on man let me know how it goes : )

[@tedstephens8775]

Love it how much water are you pumping thru at any one time and what is your filter medium thanks

[@Josefppaz]

Hi Ted I used antifreeze with a mixture of water . For the amount I never really measured but I figured it would be a gallon a minute or a bit more 👍just as long there was a steady stream coming out of the hose barbs inside the abs pipe. I used to use saw dust but I found this way is way better

[@xoxoXoieoxox]

well it seems as tho u have attracted the attention of the holy trinity of imbert gasifers (CNC, FLASH and my self XOIE) there are few on here that are actually running imbert style gasifyers there are a thousand shit designs but ur sys looks promising i was wondering what ur end goal was and had one other question i am trying to convert my bed filter to a peculating water filter i wish to have no bed filter in the end but u have a dynamic no many others have to deal with MOTION my gasifyer is on a rat rod so it moves and im trying to make a way the down tube in the filter wont come out of the water under acceleration or braking or the like i been doing this almost 6 years now and i like some of ur ideas any opinion on my problem??

[@condor4679123]

Very nice. Thank you for sharing!!

[@Josefppaz]

Rory Paul happy you liked it :)

[@RenaissanceThinking]

There were some guys, Off Grid Pro, that developed a gasifier that was commercially available for a bit that played with water in the process. I think you are getting results better than they did. Great videos. How is the gasifier working for you now several years later? *Edit....just read the comments. Did you build another gasifier with the mods and upgrades you wanted to?

[@Josefppaz]

Wm H I don’t have the machine anymore. Mainly it was to test out the the theory of the machine how it worked it was really interesting. I might some day build a small one but the main problem like every gasifire was the clean up tar is hard to clean. But is was a fun project glad you enjoyed the video friend.

[@RenaissanceThinking]

@@Josefppaz wow, Joe. I didn't expect such a fast reply. Thank you. Yeah after I wrote my question/comment I read thru the others and saw you were temporarily getting out of the wood gas fun. I've played around with them for maybe 15 years but dont have one right now either. Last ones I built were actually quick and dirty FEMA designs with debris after Hurricane Micheal to help some people power their generators they needed for medical equipment in what was left of their homes. Gas and other fuels were in short supply and there were areas of Florida w/o power for months. Anyways, with everything going on in the World I've decided to build myself a nice gasifier finally. I just ordered the new version of the Wood Gasifiers Builders Bible and have been spending a little bit every day for the last couple weeks reading blogs and watching videos on various designs and issues. Your videos are very good. You should show more of your many experiments you do on all the subjects you are interested in when you have time. Anyways, sorry about rambling. Thank you for the videos and everything. Have a good one.

[@Josefppaz]

Wm H best of luck to ya man love to hear how it turns out

[@RenaissanceThinking]

@@Josefppaz will do.

[@vladkhotko3313]

Good job!!!

[@Josefppaz]

Thanks man 👍

[@davemaxwell7262]

Have you ever tried using the activated carbon byproduct as a filter media? Its something im really wanting to try but unfortunately im in the "gathering materials" stage still. I just know activated carbon is AMAZING for filtering out gases.

[@Josefppaz]

Dave Maxwell no man I haven’t heard of this sounds interesting see how it goes for you

[@772777777777777]

Any update video howcthis gassifier evolved how it working..

[@Josefppaz]

No it’s gone man mainly was an experimental project of proof of concept. Some time again I may build a micro gasifier machine. But as for a working gas for generators there is a ton of cleaning involved. I think the more user friendly gas would be hydrogen, using solar energy.

[@TheBegoing]

I wonder if there was a temprature difference and how it effected equipment down stream?

[@Josefppaz]

not sure man

[@austinmesta9862]

Wonderful 😊

[@Josefppaz]

Thank you

[@ss-sq1hn]

I have an idea of cyclone filter that also has water scrubbing and gas cooler tower all combined in a single unit. It is cheap to make also. Could this be useful? Really nice unit you have.

[@Josefppaz]

Thanks man. Your idea sounds great 👍. This machine was just a experiment just to see if it works which it did. To clean the gases earlier is always a bonus.

[@ss-sq1hn]

@@Josefppaz I posted a link about my invention but it got deleted 2 times. Did you do it or do you have any idea why it got deleted 2 times?

[@Josefppaz]

@@ss-sq1hn interesting no I didn’t do this but it has happened to me too I wanted to show someone a video link and it just deleted on me aswell. Not sure why this happens, thanks for letting me know maybe KZbin thinks it’s spam or something in that area. But your not the only one it’s happened to.

[@ss-sq1hn]

@@Josefppaz Maybe it is just algorithm thinking it was a spam. Or energy ministry got alerted.

[@Ryan-pe4ii]

I wonder if it would be possible to store your produced gas in something like an empty propane tank. After your clean gas outlet, before your gas generator, you could have another 5 gal tank with a larger inlet (from clean gas out) than outlet (clean gas to generator) and on the inlet you should have a low CFM centrifugal blower to create a positive pressure in this tank. This would create a sort of buffer area to accumulate gas while an air compressor or refrigeration recovery machine "sips" on the accumulated gas through a small inlet line drilled through the side of the buffer tank and pushes it to an empty propane cylinder all while being able to burn the gas you cant store in a small generator. :) Of course you would have to make sure that this gas mixture is safe to store under pressure. If this works you could also use it to recover left over gas after you turn it off if you block all inlets and outlets to the atmosphere. Anyway I LOVE this setup is beautiful and really well made. :)

[@Josefppaz]

Thanks LewdFish for the positive comment, I have seen a few videos my self on people doing what you said, but its really on the danger side of things. Sad part is you will still have a mixture of oxygen coming out of the pipe, I talked to Flash 001 USA (Mike) about this and its on the boom side of things. I know you can get a oxygen meter to measure how much volume there is but I still think oxygen is on the high side of things especially when compressing it. For myself I wouldn't recommend it especially with out a oxygen meter, and the guys who do this with out are ticking time bombs. But if you have the money to pick up a oxygen meter just to see and experiment sure why not, but as of now I wouldn't know how to get rid of the oxygen present in the wood gas, all I know is there is chemistry chemicals on the great internet to take away oxygen and purify the gas, which one I don't know my friend hope this helps : )

[@Ryan-pe4ii]

Josefppaz ah I see that's a good point! No one wants to have an explosion on their hands.

[@pelleliljendahl]

What kind of filters do you have?

[@Josefppaz]

Just used antifreeze and that Venturi effect with that sink drain idea I had. Works perfect 👍

[@stuartashers]

Could't you run the gas from the burn chamber through two drums filled with water, And then to a condensation tank ? So gas comes out down to bottom first drum half filled with water, then from the top goes in to bottom of next water drum then from the top goes in to the condensation tank. The first water drum should pull most of the nasties the second should cool the gas and pull remaining nasties and reduce huge ammounts of pipe work and pumps etc

[@Josefppaz]

Stuart Willis kind of like a bubbler it would be interesting to see anything to clean the gas the only thing is it might need a lot of suction to do this. I know some guys had water splashing like rain to cool and clean the gas too ;)

[@stuartashers]

Yeah a bubbler .was also thinking of charcoal filteration or carbon. Not super fine carbon but small hard rocks like used in co2 scrubbers for orchards.

[@Josefppaz]

Stuart Willis I haven’t used that before man. I’m sure anything is good. I remember talking with Mike (flash001usa) I used the saw dust but I fell away from it always clogged up lots of cleaning. For my self I prefer the liquid easer to clean and drain bud :)

[@stuartashers]

Yeah thats my thinking too 👍

[@larrymarkham7166]

Could you post a video on the blueprints / design of your gasifier please

[@Josefppaz]

Hi Larry the main design was from Flash001USA he has a lot of great blueprints that I followed. Unfortunately I don't have the unit anymore due to moving to another place and I didn't have any blue prints but I used Flashes design

[@larrymarkham7166]

Josefppaz is the expansion tank empty or does it have anything in it?

[@agatdhiman5757]

You are great 🤝🤝👍👍👍👍

[@Josefppaz]

Aaryan Dhiman thank you

[@trevortrevortsr2]

Using a vac uses a lot of electric though?

[@Josefppaz]

Trev S absolutely man all this was for experimental purpose For maybe a next build in the future it will be more energy efficient:)

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

That is a deliciously blue, smurf attracting, flame you have there. I don't think you will have any trouble running an engine with this :) . When you turn the water pump off, do you see any differences in the flare? I want to try something like this one day, perhaps using a shower head and a water pump to produce a rain storm in the gas cleaning cylinder. Keep up the good work. This is the life blood of gasification :) . Oh, by the way, I bet the ceiling above your flare is getting plenty hot.

[@Josefppaz]

Steve forgive me Dan told me your name. I saw a video on venturi scrubbers and they seem to work really well from a low pressure to high and then low. I have seen some guys use the water pump to make a rain storm idea but I believe the venturi idea works maybe better to wash the gas. When the gas and water slip through the holes of the sink drain the gas particles need to speed up and so the water has to speed up as well to get through. So this makes the water and gas have to combine which makes this a very good wash, almost like atomizing them both. buddy. hope this helps

[@Josefppaz]

***** lol forgot to say when I turn the water pump off I still get the blue flame due to the moisture inside which takes the smoke particles out. But after about a couple of min the flame starts to turn blue purple pink and more orange particles. Neat to see. As for the ceiling lol I know I keep this to a minimal time. Again thanks for the kind words joe

[@nasanction]

@@Josefppaz The wet scrubber is creating what is known as "hydrogen Aromatic coupling" The hydrogen will couple to the existing molecules creating something like H,O,H rather than H2O In many cases hydrogen and or oxygen can couple to carbon and methane. Here is a link ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXqapGl_h9WCfqM ) to a quick video explanation, for details search "Aromatic coupling."

[@agatdhiman5757]

Please tell me which type is your gasifier

[@Josefppaz]

Hi Aaryan it’s a imbert gasifier

[@agatdhiman5757]

Bro make a video on it's storing and compressing 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤝🤝

[@menotticalliari]

Você teria o projecto, que pudesse compartilhar, ficaria muito grato. Eu fiquei entusiasmado com seu projeto

[@Josefppaz]

Oi amigo. Eu fiz a máquina com muitos vídeos do youtube. O vídeo principal foi de flash001usa. ele tem ótimos vídeos. Tenha um ótimo dia

[@mwillis8090]

amazing!

[@Josefppaz]

+Successfully Puzzled Thanks friend

[@Josefppaz]

+Successfully Puzzled lol with out the Creator im dumber then a sack of nails that's why all the glory goes to my friend.cheers again

[@mwillis8090]

+Josefppaz I'm oping to mimmick your build. I'm hoping you can do an updated video of your entire setup showing every connection. I was lost in a few places when you explained your setup in another video. Although........ your run through was one of the easiest to follow I"ve seen. I think between you and flash, I can put one of these together. I hope. Thank you and God Bless.

[@Josefppaz]

Successfully Puzzled Unfortunately I don't have the apparatus anymore, I may be moving sometime in the hear future the build was the most fun. Mainly I build the gasifier to experiment and see what its all about what I plan on doing is build another one similar but way smaller more compact. And yes flash has some awesome videos that's where I got my initial inspiration from. The only thing I would change from his plan was to have a flat grate. I see a lot of people with stainless bowls and I find it tends to clog up. If you have a flat surface way better with my experience. all the best

[@mwillis8090]

thank you for the helpful reply. much appreciated.

[@BryanBeast13]

is there a pdf ? smh i need to do more research, this is beautiful

[@Josefppaz]

Thanks man unfortunately I don’t have a PDF but used KZbin guy ( Flash001USA) he has great video tutorials

[@BryanBeast13]

@@Josefppaz lol I've been checking his chanel out too. Does this set up have a specific name? I know there's FEMA but unsure of this one.

[@Josefppaz]

@@BryanBeast13 yes it is or a down draft gasification 👍👍

[@BryanBeast13]

@@Josefppaz thank you for replying. I appreciate it, have a good day

[@Josefppaz]

@@BryanBeast13 up bet any other question just ask 😉

[@ricardomcloudy25]

Hi is possible you send plan construction?

[@Josefppaz]

hi bud I had to move to another place but if you want to find out the main construction I mainly used Flash001usa design which works just fine he has great material and a site with blue prints he has awesome videos, sorry for not getting back to you sooner bud.

[@krameris1000]

👍

[@maitlandmoore6426]

You should be able to shut off the vac.

[@xoxoXoieoxox]

now what will u do with this tech PLEASE dont say ur gona make electricity i keep telling every woodgaser i see that says that i tell u know steam is WAY more efficient than wood gas and it is actually a hell of a lot easier and it dosent care what u feed it it isnt picky i idont understand why people are afraid of steam but not wood gas they both have the same propensity to blow up and be fatal O.o

[@Josefppaz]

xoxoXoieoxox you know your absolutely right, I think including myself its so cool to see a chemical reaction transition take place with a piece of wood to gas transforming that energy to electricity. lots of people even though its a old tech its neat to see it work, heck I just like looking at the blue flame that I helped create. Absolutely steam is more efficient and cleaner to run, then wood. most people have gas engine generators rather then steam engines. Again if the world had steam engine generators in the market the gas engine 5 hp engine wood not be as popular. I totally see your point. lol steam engine wood be fun to build just don't have the money to get a lathe, and milling machine but its on my list : )

[@shantelguetgen4157]

It's simple. Just go to INPLIX page and make it yourself.

[@krameris1000]

Pefekt