HOMESTUCK - [S] Scourge Prophecy | Vriska vs Noir

[@Ichellor]

Hello! Second year of me animating things, huh Well I hope they are at least somewhat reflected in this curious work. Tried to use more style and such things here. Actual thing was animated in 2.5 months, with most of the time spend on fight itself. Hope you liked it. Thanks for viewing this piece and EXTRA thanks for liking and commenting on it. Really appreceate that after all hard work that went into all this. As always, begging ya to repost that thing at least... somewhere? Twitter, tumblr anything will do. Another enormous thanks for simply being here and well... We'll meet another time in someone's ascension!

[@accie.]

damnnnn 2.5 months?! i always suspected as much but it really wows me just to really have it said. i have so much respect for your work and the passion you put in and IT SHOWS!!!

[@eternalwonder6325]

What was that piano black cover or whatever, taht sounded amazing

[@Ichellor]

"Fill em with midnight" - Malcolm Brown

[@eternalwonder6325]

@@Ichellor thx!

[@_____________42]

Finally, I can hit dislike button. Bet you feel so miserable now, HAHAHAHAAHHA P.s. please don’t make me wait so long next time

[@higztv1166]

the quality of this is so good that I think you can show this to non-homestuck fans with no context and they will enjoy it too

[@aimlovesmusic1469]

I am one of the non homestuck fans previous to this video, now I’m even more intrigued by this fandom then before

[@deepdownwereallbased2549]

I’m living proof of this statement. I know almost nothing about homestuck but this is peak.

[@St0nek]

Really good animation, great voicing and dialogue (more like monologue) writing. Noirs and Vriskas Mindfang mondels are marvelous and the moment with Fill em With Midnight was just !!!

[@CorvidsForHire]

Brooooooo, why does this never get put on my feed when a new one comes out? I'm literally subscribed and have rewatched all of these so many times, please understand that this is good, youtube. You are truly cursed to obscurity, forever under torment by the tyranny of the algorithm, I only knew there was a new one because I came back to your channel to rewatch them. Anyways, yet another great video, and you can definitely tell that you're improving. The characters seem a lot more expressive and less plastic in this one than in previous ones, which is impressive considering you haven't really changed the character models, just added more detailed movements that portray emotion, even it's small. You've done well in the past with big emotions, and it's been helped along with the (amazing) voice acting. Vriska doesn't say much during her scenes with Noir but watching Vriska's expressions change really sells it, from the initial trademark Vriska Smugness, to confusion laced with worry as Jack Noir leaves her, to the horror and anger as she realises all her friends are dead, then the fear as she realises shes not going to win and partially resigned to her fate (after she trys to get a last few hits in). Also Karkat's body language and movement in that last scence, he's an expressive guy and shows emotion through is whole body rather than just his face and you did a great job with that. And the trio walking up behind terezi as Vriska leaves, giving them a little bit of extra personality rather than having them just walk up in similar animations, or just straight having them just stand there or not be there at all. You've added a lot of little things that really ups the quality on the whole (listing all of them i noticed would take forever lmao). Also, THE WRITING. I feel like you don't get enough praise for this considering the main focus of these is the animation and fights (you don't get enough praise overall, let's be honest), but the writing that goes into not only the staging and progression of the fight, but also the character dynamics and the dialogue. I can appreciate how a lot of work goes into taking what is, in most cases, a handful of comic panels and turning them into epic confrontations. The dialogue feels so in character and, while some instances aren't the most comic-accurate, you never fail to do the characters justice and take their motivations and emotions into account. And the voice actors absolutely help in this by nailing the delivery, I tend to avoid things like this with their own voice acting because I'm kinda hyperaware of fake-feeling voice acting and over-exaggerated tones and cringe inside when I notice it, I can't stand it no matter how good the rest of it is (this applies to a lot of youtubers and, unfortunely, some shows and movies). But not once did i get that feeling with these voice actors, they are excellent at portraying their characters their emotions and the back and forth between them feels so natural (special props to Terezi's and Doc Scratch's VA's in that opening scene, beautiful). The backgrounds have been you've done extremely well since the start, and have continued that trend throughout all of them. Details like the chalk squiggles that make the smaller rooms like Terezi's feel lived in, the industrial and futuristic look of the meteor, with a lot of equipment and other elements that make it seem like it's actually a functioning base (or at least was at some point), and, in this one, the huge epic atmosphere of Skaia. There wasn't as much of it in this one, but you do really well at effecting the enviroment during a fight and letting the characters use it to their advantage (which was especially good in the feline carnival and 3x showdown). Most animated fights consist of just the two fighters duking it out in a flat landscape, occasionally smashing into flat surfaces like walls and floors, completely ignoring any and all landmarks. But damn do you make fights interesting. Also the contrast of the fact that, in previous fights, theres always a back-and-forth between the characters, they get some hits or some near-misses, almost all the characters are injured in some way during their fights because all the trolls are on similar power levels. They have had to be in order to beat the game. But in this episode? (they're episodes at this point, this is becoming some epic movie level shit) Vriska gets no hits in on Jack. This fight feels less like a skilled battle between equals and more of an anime battle between two op characters, which they both are at this point, but one is overwhelmingly more op than the other and thus its already decided. Noir is truly intimidating here and shows his terrifying power and competence as an assassin. Also his character model is absolutely fantastic, I love your carapacian design. All the models are pretty great, but I especially love his (and Lord English's in G I R L, even if that was mostly to do with the amazing effects in that one). Honestly, my only complaints with these, used to be the character faces and plasticity, but thats pretty much fixed if you keep that expression work up. It's the clipping that happens on occasion. I don't know enough about 3D animation to know how difficult it is to get around that. Like, Terezi's hair clipping into her collar seems like its something that can't really be fixed without animating her individual strands of hair or something (which is not something I guess is really practical, given your resourses and time). But things like Sollux's hand clipping into Feferi's face seems like something that could have been fixed more easily, even if you have to use the camara angles to hide it. But again, I don't know enough to really comment on this lmao, and its not too distracting from the rest of the high quality anyways. But, aside from that, keep up the good work!! I, unfortunely, don't really have any sort of platform to advertise this, although I really wish I did, you deserve a hell of a lot more than over a thousand subscribers.

[@Ichellor]

Wow... Just wow! Hard to explain how happy your comment made me, going in depth in so many aspects and so many little details (And giving some critique, even more so!). I feel extremely flattered and... it's just so awesome, thank you, thank you! I will be sure to make more animated contend and I hope that you will enjoy it, dear friend!

[@Moggetslittlesister]

I'd still encourage you to use less camera movement, especially in scenes where it's just two people talking. The camera is pretty good in the fight scene because there's a lot of movement going on with the characters, but in the intro scenes, it's pretty disorienting to have the camera moving around all the time. Other than that, great job! It's cool to see you becoming more and more ambitious with your animations!

[@BUGFlower413]

I still remember watching your very first Homestuck animations and I'm still amazed by what you can do. This looks just so perfect, the music selection too is really good (especially I love the re-contextualization of _Sound of Judgement_) and the voice acting is amazing too.

[@spotty530]

PLEASE TELL ME YOU'LL BE MAKING MORE OF THESE the concept of a Homestuck series has always been so clear yet so impossible for me to conceive, the idea would most likely not work, but animations like these covering the most important events in the webcomic is just what this fandom needs to let its glory shine for new people to join it

[@Jalae]

i have a strange nightmare? where homestuck gets a hollywood live action movie series of the harry potter scale in about 10 years

[@accie.]

gosh these animations and voice acting never cease to impress me!! you guys always come up with the coolest and most unique alternate scenarios too! great job everyone and i always look forwards to new stuff from this channel!!

[@radinotelluri4682]

the noir v vriska fight was some cinema-level spectacle! i had a brief thought that if homestuck was made into a movie, or a 5 part series it would be awesome as hell. and nice touch with vriska's wounds mirroring jack's at the end there. gnarly

[@higztv1166]

that's not jack, jack wouldn't use his hands if he can just stab his only move is stabbing he doesn't bother himself with fancy kills or playing with his food, he just stabs I greatly appreciate what you did anyway, amazing work

[@gloomyamateur]

this is incredible!!! we have people like you to thank for keeping the homestuck fandom alive 💕💕

[@gorgeousChancellor]

This midnight crew theme is sooo perfect

[@queenjamjam]

This is an test version by malcolm brown, and i think vocals by toby radiation fox. “Fill em with midnight”

[@oskarkartasinski8237]

I just started my reread of Homestuck, thank you so much for this amazing piece of animation

[@CaltosVirnam]

have you considered doing a animation of the [S] Rex Duodecim Angelus, it doesnt have to have dialogue, but imagining a 3d version of it sounds real cool, especially the vriska scene with everyone's ancestors

[@mahpell7173]

To be honest, reanimating this or cascade is a f-ing magnum opus on itself.

[@santiagowho]

As someone who has watched from very early on the animation progress can't be denied, Well done!

[@ThatOneAnimeChick64]

This is so amazing! The voice acting, the animation, especially with Homestuck dying, this is great!

[@hornedookami]

the comic described vriska's fight with jack as a challenge for him while rose's was just entertaining, so interesting choice to swap how that worked out.

[@Anto4writting]

4:30 You Have no idea how cool this îs pall. Jack Noir singing the theme of his former crew while the Greatest 'hero' finaly shows up for their greatest duel

[@jonathanredacted3245]

So this is doc scratch convincing terezi that she *has* to kill vriska?

[@forrestjemming3148]

This is great !!!! Please keep creating, I’m so happy to see new Homestuck content in 2022 : ))))

[@ElderFreeman413]

This an incredible recreation of my favorite moment. Thank you

[@zozo3071]

Really cool, great work! Love what you did with Jack, gave him another 100% coolness.

[@JohnVance]

Scratch's teleportation effect is sick

[@meowspark9]

ayo nice, haven't thought about homestuck in a while but this is cool

[@Anuyushi]

Very strong claymation vibes, yet it works so well. I love it

[@zacharybosley1935]

"The flame of ambition-" lmao

[@YarraYora]

WHAT HOLY SHIT I DIDNT EXPECT THIS TO BE A 3D ANIMATION SO I GOT REALLY BLOWN AWAY

[@Johnpersona3rd]

Good work as always. Keep up the good work

[@lordbuss]

0:20 Scratch is too tall here. He was supposed to be 4 feet tall ("the only character with a canonical height"!). Vriska is 13, yes, but he will still not be that much taller than her. 4:25 Oooh, that's a cool musical combination.

[@lordbuss]

7:58 Ok, no, i do not like this part. I am not sure whether this is a criticism of the video, or just a lamentation of the fact the events can't be recreated well, but they are not recreated well: Vriska has all the luck. And she stole everything she could from Noir (there isn't a reason in canon to think he is immune to her luck stealing). Vriska should have the action advantage. She has many cool tricks, everything works in her favor, and every movement she does will be executed flawlessly, while Noir will be clumsy and unlucky. This would not help. Noir has too much raw power (all the energy in the world, channeled as an attack through a weapon that almost destroyed Skaia even without any green sun upgrade) resistance and vitality (immortal and eternal creature), and also a great speed (not at general movements, but specifically in teleporting, i think he can move space relative to him like he can move his own body). He is very straightforward. He will possibly win through endurance and Vriska's exhaustion, Vriska making too many small mistakes, his attacks being too strong to stop even with perfect luck. And possibly just being completely invulnerable to her attacks (though if he was COMPLETELY invulnerable, there wouldn't be any fight in the first place, so he probably isn't). It would look...exactly like 6:52-7:30. But not the later part. Not Noir perfectly and gracefully capturing attacks without Vriska noticing. And when Vriska is deeply injured, she would still keep fighting, and it would work, she is so lucky she can make "progress" even without weapons and limited in her movement. It wouldn't really be progress against Noir, of course, but it wouldn't be this very obvious immediate defeat. Thank you for reading this mini-essay about the tactical capabilities of angry gods. All that is not to say "this video is terrible", or "the author shouldn't do things". The video existing is better than it not existing. It's just not as a good as a hypothetical perfect video that would also be tactically and logistically accurate in addition to all the virtues of this video. Of course, when doing something good, everyone must decode what is the actual parameter they are optimizing. Also, the entire point of the scene in Homestuck was that Vriska could theoretically win, it wouldn't change anything, everyone is still dead. Vriska's defeat was not caused by being not powerful or not lucky enough, but by her recklessness and not thinking about the consequences of her actions. But of course, it's stupid to look at a depiction of something depicted and say "it wasn't depicted in the original, so the fact it is depicted is itself a flaw". No, i am glad the video exists, that is certainly not a criticism i have.

[@Ichellor]

​@@lordbuss Well, first of all, thank you for such an elaborated critique, i really appreceate it and it certainly caught me off guard with it's sheer size! Regarding scratch's height and similiar things it should be noted that this is a adaptation, rather attempt at full faithful recreation. And well, about luck part. I was thiinking bout whole clumsyness thing and all the negative effects of luck on Noir durign development of the concept and i've decided to showcase perhaps most unfaithful thing to webcomic here. I wanted to show that Noir is proffessional assassin, with a lot of expirience and absolute control of what he's doing and even more absolute power to back it up. He simply doesn't need luck because he doesn't allow for a scenario where he loses against rather amature Vriska. When he catches Vriska's hand, it is a perfectly calculated action and no amout of luck can bend it. No amount of cool tricks and winks from lady Fate able to even slow him down, sort of like terminator for gods. Even more of a threat that he was in original. And generally it was to showcase that kids and trolls can't just call Vriska's super luck powers and instakill Noir, rather to show him as he was described in the story earlier - an unbeatable boss. Perhaps this is not the best descision, and I certainly did a bad job at portraying smaller effects of luck in a fight, but oh well, who we are without our mistakes? Once again, I'm very grateful for your essay comment and hope you'll stick around to poke criticism at me for my mistakes!

[@higztv1166]

@@Ichellor this is the best description of Noir I've read

[@higztv1166]

@@lordbuss you're describing the features of the fight just as I would It's nice to find someone who thinks of this in a similar way

[@mahpell7173]

​@@Ichellor Excuse me for writing after whole eleven months, but I just want to highlight two things I see as (sort of) reasonable counterpoints. 1. Even with all Jack's professionalism, lack of luck will affect him, for he now shares his mind and body with a good dog. As we saw not once before, Bec's thoughts overtake Jack on a regular basis even when Jade is not around, and were the reason why Aradia was sent teleported all the way to Green Sun instead of being sliced in half once she lift off time field. And being ripped of conceptual luck could seriously increase chances of Jack not being able to control situation and/or his own actions. 2. Though this part is debatable, Vriska summoned not just an RP constume with a sabre, she practically became an avatar of her ancestor, with all her power and, possibly, experience. These two things are make Noir and Vriska somewhat equal in terms of capability to oppose each other, making the latter lose in a long run, when she's out of luck, tricks and endurance, while Jack, powered by Green Sun, still wins. That being said, I still really like this animation, regardless how it's different from original.

[@mr_jago2850]

Dude I fucking love these animations and voices.

[@sw4nfire]

this is so nostalgic like an epic video game cutscene holy shit

[@dramikaze51]

THIS IS INSANE! I LOVE IT

[@redrasegarden]

I'm jamming to that cover of midnight crew

[@aniroad2640]

Wondeful animation! Voice acting fits the characters))))

[@vrakosneedimagination]

I LOVE YOUR ANIMATIONS!!!!!

[@Kymerahx]

I love these

[@marcellyrangel5419]

I keep coming back to rewatch this, is so good. Hey, I'm curious, will you make an animation for the alpha trolls (mituna, kankri, meenah, etc) someday? I would love it so much, Mituna is my second favorite troll (sol is the first), I would cry for real hahaha But if not, that's ok! Just please keep doing these, each video makes my entire day when you post them 😍😍😍

[@pp4ngkku]

I love your works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!

[@Nyromen]

YESSS WOOO LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@anon_is_artistic5305]

I can’t believe ive only just discovered your animations and binged them all in an hour or so. They’re absolutely amazing…it really brings the comic to life! just one question, do you have a link to the remix of ‘I’m a member of the midnight crew’ used in this video?

[@user-cj9wx7ji4g]

SO GOOD

[@TereziPyrope413]

love this!

[@megaloMemes]

This is so fecken good oh my gog

[@higztv1166]

I like how in the original it was implied that Vriska had a better chance of winning than Jack did, but here Jack absolutely dominates Vriska

[@higztv1166]

7:41 Also, he had to be absolutely 100 percent sure this sword can't harm him to make this move, otherwise this could've ended quickly by cutting off the ring I duuno if he would risk his life like this

[@higztv1166]

also also, what's up with Jack's left eye?

[@Kissingerzones1311]

Vriska could just be lying

[@higztv1166]

@@Kissingerzones1311 where?

[@Kissingerzones1311]

@@higztv1166 in canon vriska said she almost killed him she was probably lying

[@eternalwonder6325]

4:00 for the awesome piano theme

[@carolinagorberg8549]

Cool work!!

[@flameeyesmileman3916]

This is fucking amazing

[@tasks1799]

Even in death... Terezi owns

[@LordZaxom]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[@eternalwonder6325]

What is the remix of spider 8ite used

[@diabolistDestroyer]

Spider8ite from Tomb of the Ancestors

[@Jaddwhisp]

hey, i have a question, if possible, can i buy your modes for personal use in animations and whatnot? its alright if not, i ask due to how rare models for homestuck can be to find

[@essoexpresso728]

Could someone tell me what that black remix was?

[@Ichellor]

"Fill em with Midnight" by Malcolm Brown

[@essoexpresso728]

@@Ichellor Thank you so god damn much, it's such a nice song

[@lilypyrope4620]

... *wait a minute*

[@NebulaHalo]

This is really cool! what is the song you used for 4:05 ?

[@pp4ngkku]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXiUmqKbdrtjasU here! :>

[@luisrosas2443]

Song 7:55?

[@Ichellor]

It's the ending of "Spider8ite" from the "Tomb of Ancestors"

[@obsessivecorvid]

song list?

[@user-mt6pv1cg1i]

Does anyone has the name of the song in the end of the video?

[@Ichellor]

One while Karkat is talking - "A knight's reflection" by Malcolm Brown One after that - "Gold pilot" by First Turn Fold

[@user-mt6pv1cg1i]

@@Ichellor I mean during the battle of Jack Noir and Vriska

[@Ichellor]

​@@user-mt6pv1cg1i Spider8ite by Robert Blaker

[@Co27Enigma]

Shoulda stole the Sun. Rookie mistake.

[@marcellyrangel5419]

Can you please put English subtitles in these homestuck videos? 🙏🏼😭😭 it’s hard for non-English speakers to understand the characters sometimes, subtitles would help A LOT, please please? 🥺🥺

[@Ichellor]

I'll work on that in soon, sorry for inconvenience!

[@marcellyrangel5419]

@@Ichellor Thanks you so much!! I love your videos, you're amazing and super talented!

[@mitch7232]

hi homestuckies🤑🤑🤑

[@Venom8itez]

nah, id win

[@casaraodujeeve2748]

With the difference, that vriska ALMOST beat Jack!!!!!!!!

[@eternalwonder6325]

What is the theme at 4:00, I wanna play that on loop so bad

[@Makin-]

Fill 'em with Midnight, by Malcolm Brown

[@eternalwonder6325]

@@Makin- thx

[@virtueisdead]

you didn't voice scratch with a British accent. this is a sin

[@platannapipidae9621]

it's annoying how much Terezi moves. constant head shakes