Homosexuality in Islam: Is There A Place For Gay Muslims?

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Brother Dash

Brother Dash

15 жыл бұрын

Dr. Sherman Jackson responds to an audience question regarding Gay Muslims and homosexuality in Islam. Clip from Cultivating an Indigenous Muslim Culture part of the Shuruq 2009 Islam Awareness series held at New York University in April 2009.

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@brotherdash
@brotherdash 11 жыл бұрын
In addition to rejecting and banning any commenters that use profanity, homophobic or violent language I will also now be rejecting comments that are not specifically related to the topic. There are over 1,000 comments to this video. What you have to say has probably already been stated numerous times. Read the comments. If you have NOTHING NEW TO ADD then don't post. And if you are here to debate homosexuality DON'T POST. Watch the video. STAY ON TOPIC.
@alliyahsgalaxy
@alliyahsgalaxy 7 жыл бұрын
Ma sha Allah, so many brothers and sisters allow 'profanity, homophobic or violent language' and even insults in their comments, I am so pleased to see someone who doesn't. Jazak Allahu khair. As for the topic, this is exactly it. And explained very clearly.
@davidonorwood1976
@davidonorwood1976 6 жыл бұрын
does that include 1 str8 from the koran???
@MrDaBBaS
@MrDaBBaS 10 жыл бұрын
"I have not been commanded by God to cut open people's chests to see what is inside their hearts." -Muhammad pbuh
@utubecomtw13
@utubecomtw13 10 жыл бұрын
Dynevor Shannon No, It's trying to say that Don't judge people. Because No matter what We do, we'll never know What's inside a persons mind, Use your brain a little, and Don't Try to be a smart ass, because it Looks embarrassing. Have a Good day
@yusufar-rumaani4028
@yusufar-rumaani4028 7 жыл бұрын
"An individual who engages in homosexual behaviour is not disqualified from being a muslim". That's right. A person engaging in that is not a disbeliever as long as he admits that he is doing a mistake, as homosexuality is undisputably HARAM in Islam. But when one does it openly, viewing it as permissable, in spite of the Quran and Sunnah both prohibiting it he has nullified his Islam.
@enchantedboyz13
@enchantedboyz13 9 жыл бұрын
only ALLAH can judge his creature! im so sad that other muslims kill or prison someone just because she/he is gay! I believe Islam is the safe place to hide, under ALLAH's Protection I Accept myself as a muslim and gay.
@enchantedboyz13
@enchantedboyz13 9 жыл бұрын
Mustafa sheikh Allah never said that in the QURAN. He only told us "Zina" (sex without marriage) is a sin but Not Homosexual. Those Luth/lott people had wife and they left their wife to have sex with man! That's why ALLAH put the surah in there bcs of that case! Whoever have wife should have not had sex with ANYONE (man or woman) except his wife!
@enchantedboyz13
@enchantedboyz13 9 жыл бұрын
Mustafa sheikh did Allah teach you to bully someone who's different from you? Are you sure you are a muslim? i might be gay, and that doesnt mean im less muslim than you! my sexual identity doesnt define my religion.. everyone has right to believe in ALLAH. Only Allah who knows which one is right!
@hamodabimbo
@hamodabimbo 9 жыл бұрын
Lut. Enough said.
@sheltv100
@sheltv100 9 жыл бұрын
Mikhail Smith I have to be frank with you, but you cannot be Muslim and homosexual. Under God's protection you should forswear your sins and God will give you grace and forgiveness.
@enchantedboyz13
@enchantedboyz13 9 жыл бұрын
you people just acted u know more than ALLAH :3 what kind of muslim are you?
@johnbod
@johnbod 11 жыл бұрын
Beautifully put.
@undersleeves
@undersleeves 10 жыл бұрын
Whatever he just said its true in Christian churches too... We embrace people with their wicked tendencies but not their actions and if they are true in seeking and following the true GOD then their actions need to be changed and their wicked ways put aside...
@tiptoe242
@tiptoe242 10 жыл бұрын
Heaven is made up of saints and sinners. So what's your point? You will not be the judge at eternity. Only God knows our hearts. So what's your point? And who are you? Are you a hypocrite..you are if you sin...are you without sin? Are you holier-than-thou? If you are, Allah has your number? You need a slice of 'humble pie.'
@undersleeves
@undersleeves 10 жыл бұрын
tiptoe242 No, heaven is just made up of saints that left sin aside to do what is right...(That's my only point) I think that you may need an anger management class to help you out...
@JohnSmith-ms4xd
@JohnSmith-ms4xd 6 жыл бұрын
+Forex "with their wicked tendencies" There's nothing wicked about homosexuality, and that you think there is is already the root of the problem.
@WasifAli96
@WasifAli96 11 жыл бұрын
Good Job & Great Reply! Debz Jessi
@jimbrown7179
@jimbrown7179 12 жыл бұрын
A very clear explanation. We need more answers to modern questions with this level of detail and understanding!
@MrModeratemuslim
@MrModeratemuslim 7 жыл бұрын
Its a tough position no doubt. and people who have this inclination are no doubt worthy of emphathy as it is a struggle. The question starts with the framework you are operating under as an individual. If muslim, the framework is simple. This life is short and meant to be a test. The real life is yet to come. Nobody in heaven is going to think for a second of the challenges they faced on earth. However, if you believe this world is all there is, then yes, holding back on your inherit desires seems cruel and unusual. But i have freinds that are in their 40s who cant get married for various reasons. Does that mean fornication should be allowed? We would say no. Does that mean if they become weak and make a mistake, they are no longer human, no of course not. We are not our desires. Im married, i desire other women ALOT. But i dont becuase we are not our desires. We are what we believe and sometimes belief and action contradict one another. Thats the nature of being human and this world. Most people, including me at times are way to insensitive towards these people. If our kids happen to be gay, our tune would change dramatically. We need to show more compassion.
@aarona5265
@aarona5265 8 жыл бұрын
People are more than "tendencies" or "actions"...... It's impossible for someone who is not homosexual to understand it because it's not their experience...He's not qualified to be the spokesperson for homosexuals...they are not saying "you must accept homosexual acts"...they say .." Can you please try to understand that this is my path and I'm trying my best to live this life the best I can from start to finish (just like you )and be what I feel at the deepest level I am without fearing those who tease and persecute me, injure and shame me, make me want to kill myself, or worse, throw me from the roofs of buildings to my death....and that when I fall in LOVE it's not with who the WORLD thinks I should fall in LOVE with....it's just what has always felt right, natural and honest to me BEFORE I ever heard it was "wrong". That I have to trust the Creator's creation of me for ONLY He knows the answers WHY".....
@airforceallie
@airforceallie 12 жыл бұрын
thanks for uploading this clip. i've always felt this way about the topic and the imam here says the exact same thing!
@IamNoSheeple71
@IamNoSheeple71 13 жыл бұрын
MashAllah very well explained! Well done sir,as I even being Muslim,had confusions regarding this topic. The questions of non-muslim are sort of an education for us as we are laerning our DEEN more accurately coz we hav to reply them with clarity.Keep up the good work of asking questions to the Muslims. Allah has HIS own ways of a change in communities,subhanAllah.PEACE to ALL :))
@quranstrinity8460
@quranstrinity8460 10 жыл бұрын
Lots of gays in islam see Arabia, Afghanistan.
@ibrahimmahmud2720
@ibrahimmahmud2720 8 жыл бұрын
What happened to the people of Lut? Allah is the most wise and he knows what's best for us as he is our creator.
@scarfhs1
@scarfhs1 8 жыл бұрын
+Ibrahim Mahmud Prove it.
@kledmohd4230
@kledmohd4230 8 жыл бұрын
+fred smith he doesn't have to prove anything, the backside is off limits even for heterosexuals, hence the homosexual discussion is redundant.
@ernestoheba5862
@ernestoheba5862 8 жыл бұрын
+fred smith he cant ...but i can tell u that there is a huge possibility that Allah had punished the people of LUT because they were molesting prophet LUT and his angel guests ...Lut was living amongst them his whole life and THE CREATOR did not punish them since until they took it too far by molesting..
@ryansoso1605
@ryansoso1605 8 жыл бұрын
Allah punished the people of Lut cuz they made it ok and acceptable in their society, not only that but said to anyone who didn't engage with them you think you are pure and better than us.
@faebalina7786
@faebalina7786 8 жыл бұрын
indeed.The Quran is clear this is not and cannot be an ok way of life.Maybe it's your struggle and we support you in overcoming and love the one who is sincere in partaking in that kind of jihadul nafs,but you can't then say this is me it's fine and you MUST accept me as such because it's fine with God and that you declare that it is not a sin that then is a lie as the Quran and even the Bible are clear on the matter.He spoke well on the matter
@panamasun60
@panamasun60 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you Walkietalkie74!
@ShahabGhazi
@ShahabGhazi 12 жыл бұрын
Wow the camera has so nice focus.
@supportjusticeforrolfharri8379
@supportjusticeforrolfharri8379 7 жыл бұрын
What are homosexual Muslim men and women supposed to do to repress their feelings? Obviously they are a homosexual and have the rest of their lives to live. They are forced to remain celibate or marry a woman (which doesn't seem to make sense seeing as though they are homosexual). They can marry and have children and Grandchildren if they wish, but obviously that means that they not only marry someone they are not attracted to and presumably don't love but also somebody else's son or daughter will be entering into a marriage with someone who is homosexual. Surely, this is not fair on them either. I have three questions. 1) How are Muslim men and women supposed to suppress their homosexual feelings? 2) Who can they talk to about this? 3) Why are some people born with homosexual inclinations but then told by religious institutions that their feelings are sinful when these individuals didn't ask to be homosexual in the first place?
@smetrixtumblebridge2753
@smetrixtumblebridge2753 7 жыл бұрын
It's about putting Allah's choice and will above our own choices. So when Allah has clearly negated homosexuality in Islam then we are supposed to respect that and accept it. It's the same case if you take pork. Consider a person who loves eating pork only to realize that it's banned in Islam.... Well, then LOGIC says that he should stop eating it even if it's unfair. Why? Because Allah does not like the intake of pork. It is Haram (absolutely forbidden) So why should we do it? Just to fulfill our needs? If that's the case then we cannot be described as followers of Islam because we never managed to bend to His will. Let me explain carefully. A Muslim is here, in this world, ONLY and only TO ABIDE BY THE CREATOR'S RULES. THAT'S what defines us. (And I don't care what you say about not having free will or something like that because that's NOT the topic at hand!) Now when a person is BORN HOMOSEXUAL, then obviously we can expect leniency from our Lord, because Allah is aware of it. Whatever, that person does forward is a matter between him and God. We can leave it at that. However, if a person CHOOSES to be physically swayed...or to allow lust to confuse him/her where to target that lust, on a man or a woman, then obviously it goes against Allah's will and thus, against Islam. Because they allowed their own needs to cloud their hearts before Allah's will.
@MrModeratemuslim
@MrModeratemuslim 7 жыл бұрын
Support Justice for Rolf Harris Its a tough position no doubt. and people who have this inclination are no doubt worthy of emphathy as it is a struggle. The question starts with the framework you sre operating under ad an individual. Of muslim, the framework is simple. This life is short and meant to be a test. The real life is yet to come. Nobody in heaven is going to think for a second of the challenges they faced on earth. However, if you believe this world is all there is, then yes, holding back on your inherit desires seems cruel and unusual. But i have freinds that are in their 40s who cant get married for various reasons. Does that mean fornication should be allowed? We would say no. Does that mean if they become weak and make a mistake, they are no longer human. no of course not. We are not our desires. Im married, i desire other women ALOT. But i dont becuase we are not our desires. We are what we believe and sometimes belief and action contradict one another.
@supportjusticeforrolfharri8379
@supportjusticeforrolfharri8379 7 жыл бұрын
MrModeratemuslim You sound like quite a sincere person and I mean no disrespect to you in what i'm about to say but I often find that religion makes otherwise intelligent people say and do irrational things. For example, you mention that nobody in heaven is going to remember the challenges they faced on Earth. That may be true, but God created a system whereby those who pass the test go to heaven and those who fail (regardless of their good deeds on Earth) are literally ROASTED for all eternity. That's a barbaric test! There are many people who sincerely in their heart do not believe in God and there are others who sincerely believe they are following God but aren't. God himself gave us brains capable of making different decisions, but if we don't eventually make a decision that is acceptable to him - he will punish that individual in the most monstrous, barbaric way. What a truly sick test! You can't seriously be condoning that? God created homosexuals and then tells them that if they act on their attractions which is something that is perfectly natural to them, he will burn them in hell for all eternity in the afterlife. People have lived some truly unhappy lives because of religion, people have experienced unimaginable suffering in order to please whatever God they believe in and we are led to believe that this is because he is "testing" them. We then go to heaven if we pleased him or we ROAST in hell for all eternity if we do not and he did this for NO reason whatsoever. This is unimaginable cruelty! It's a cruel, pointless test by a God who didn't have to conduct this test at all, yet he chose to play mind games with us for no apparent reason according to people of religion. What a completely pointless thing to do!
@madaxwayne
@madaxwayne 7 жыл бұрын
but is homosexuality the result of nature or nurture?
@supportjusticeforrolfharri8379
@supportjusticeforrolfharri8379 7 жыл бұрын
Abdurahman Ibrahim In all seriousness, who cares whether it is because of nature or nurture? It really doesn't matter.....
@kalijasin
@kalijasin 9 жыл бұрын
Sunni Islam? There's only Islam.
@idou6377
@idou6377 8 жыл бұрын
he's speaking for a school of opinions that might differ. and yes sunnis and shiits are diverging on some hardcore issues of belief in islam
@amel82light
@amel82light 12 жыл бұрын
"and fabulous" haha I loved that !! Courage in your life my dear friend, from a muslim sister.
@AZpomegranate
@AZpomegranate 13 жыл бұрын
Excellent! and well said
@X266.
@X266. 8 жыл бұрын
No it's not like drinking wine do you ever read in Quran about people have been punished by Allah over drinking Don't mix things It's a huge sine and we all know that
@Said1985ize
@Said1985ize 8 жыл бұрын
+xxXxXx dear brother, people have been punished by allah over many things, but thats allah punishing, and he chooses to punish in this world or in the hereafter. The speaker says homosexuality is like drinking in reference to the topic, which means the gay person is accepted in islam just like the person who drinks, and he is right. Drinking doesn't make you a non-believer, its a punishable sin, so is committing act with same sex. Therefore, it's wrong to say the gay person cannot be a muslim, and thats what the speaker is talking about.
@Aureleann
@Aureleann 8 жыл бұрын
+xxXxXx How about promiscuity (the sin of HETEROSEXUAL fornication)? How about HETEROSEXUAL adultery? How about killing? How about false testomy (and say, it leads o the death of someone)?
@ryansoso1605
@ryansoso1605 8 жыл бұрын
where does it say homosexuality is kufr and worse than murder and zina? im sure you are familiar with the seven fatalities. if what you say is true, then homosexuality should've been there.
@ryansoso1605
@ryansoso1605 8 жыл бұрын
Don't just put quotation marks and expect me to say oh yes you are right. i said to you where does it say homosexuality is kufr and i mean a vers. So why don't you try again, and if there isn't anything like you said and im sure there is not i expect you to admit that you lied and made it up.
@zazugee
@zazugee 8 жыл бұрын
John Smith: yes, takfir is no easy matter, if you accuse someone of apostasy wrongly it's worse that killing this one thing that led takfiris in the wrong path and they started killing all people for random reasons. don't justify kufr with sin, sin doesn't make someone a kafir, go read about juriprudence (fiqh) before making wrong accusations and fatwas, if you don't know, keep silent it's better for you. don't know you know that khawaridj wrongdoing was how they claimed that a major sin makes you a non-muslim and justified killing, they the cause of the great fitna.
@noblelies
@noblelies 9 жыл бұрын
This is what keeps Islam stuck in the 1st century.
@opulentgoddess
@opulentgoddess 9 жыл бұрын
You need structure in religion, just because a controversial issue comes up doesn't mean you have to comply with everyone else. That's why society is crumbling today! People are easily persuaded by anything that's shown on the media and anyone who doesn't agree with the majority is automatically "close minded" smh 😒
@noblelies
@noblelies 9 жыл бұрын
No, all you need is God. Screw structure. Follow God and forget all of the crap Man has created in his name under the term "religion", which is a just a scam to control people and exploit them for money.
@opulentgoddess
@opulentgoddess 9 жыл бұрын
noblelies that may be true for Christianity, but I don't see how people are being exploited or scammed in Islam? How can you follow God without guidance? Religion tells you what are sins and what things aren't how else are you supposed to know these things?
@noblelies
@noblelies 9 жыл бұрын
Just look at Iran. What a scam.
@mirojj4571
@mirojj4571 9 жыл бұрын
Islam is the newest monotheist religion and the bigger one, and the one that grows more... where is it stuck?
@troyboie
@troyboie 12 жыл бұрын
thank you Dr. I found that very helpfull.
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 15 жыл бұрын
ICNYU knows the videos are up and have in fact directed others to check them out. The videos are also on facebook.
@brucecolemancfo5087
@brucecolemancfo5087 8 жыл бұрын
Very good video! I am gay, but I also follow some Islamic beliefs
@kledmohd4230
@kledmohd4230 8 жыл бұрын
+Bruce Finnie i just had a question, how do u view fornication.
@brucecolemancfo5087
@brucecolemancfo5087 8 жыл бұрын
k-led Mohd Fornication is fine between two loving adults are in a monogamous relationship.
@kledmohd4230
@kledmohd4230 8 жыл бұрын
Bruce Finnie oh ok I didn't notice u said u follow some Islamic beliefs, I thought u claimed otherwise. Anyways that belief on fornication is wrong Islamically and denies many verses of the Quran like verses of morality, marriage, fornication etc.
@brucecolemancfo5087
@brucecolemancfo5087 8 жыл бұрын
k-led Mohd Oh, ok. That's interesting. I don't really know what fornication is. I thought it was affection between two loving partners.
@kledmohd4230
@kledmohd4230 8 жыл бұрын
Bruce Finnie​ it's an act of penetration between adults. Affection between adults happen all the time. Long term friends do fall in love just as u would have love between parents and kids, siblings etc which is void of lust. Hence its ok for adults to love each other but the act of sexual penetration between unmarried adults which happens outside of marriage is fornication. Extra marital affair specifically the penetration comes under adultery. 
@rli421
@rli421 12 жыл бұрын
A very well thought out answer.
@Ylltimate
@Ylltimate 13 жыл бұрын
This is awesome.
@SuperZshakur
@SuperZshakur 13 жыл бұрын
@SLAM234 Where was this enlightened comment during the era of Jim Crow?
@afrircans1970
@afrircans1970 11 жыл бұрын
The speaker made a specific description as speaking from a Suni perspective. Is there a difference from Shia & Suni on "actions as opposed to tendencies" (as in alcoholism, etc) ? For instance in context of "excommunication" as the speaker put it?
@MoGaiinz
@MoGaiinz 12 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing answer.
@checkmate5338
@checkmate5338 12 жыл бұрын
“A person is not to be blamed for his nature. Rather, he is to be blamed if he acts according to his nature.”
@MumblingMickey
@MumblingMickey 11 жыл бұрын
To be fair its a relevant point... at the very least an option in the control panel or a banned word list (like a router) that you can add to block certain comments. I'd be pretty much certain there are third party applications that will do that for you-tube comments. It does use Googles API... if not its a great idea.
@tatararabuga
@tatararabuga 13 жыл бұрын
@NinjaRC this guy is brave enough to open his mind and shift viewpoint according to logic. psychological strength is often mistaken for softness.
@absleg8
@absleg8 12 жыл бұрын
this might be off topic but anybody know who's the person next to Dr Sherman at beginning?0:14 Is he speaker too? I think I watched his video somewhere...
@PHX-576
@PHX-576 10 жыл бұрын
Very well said.
@ymd012
@ymd012 13 жыл бұрын
I appreciate Br. Jacksons articulate approach and indeed his understanding of Islams Compassion in terms of peoples faults or inclinations. Well put.
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 14 жыл бұрын
@RedSeaCoral I believe in the free and open exchange of opinions and ideas even those that I disagree with as long as they are respectful. Your comments are a prime example. I disagree yet aired them. Now feel free to respond directly to Dr. Jackson.
@DarkReapersGrim
@DarkReapersGrim 11 жыл бұрын
I'm Muslim as well and when I was younger than I am now, when I was in high school and maybe even a few years after that, I held prejudiced views against homosexuals as my peers who grew up with me did. But after this immature phase, I was more accepting of it. I even voted against California's Prop 8 in 2008, which defined marriage as that solely between a man and a woman. Why? Aside from maturing in age, I felt, that there are homosexuals who are more Islamic/righteous than non-homosexuals.
@TenkanVlog
@TenkanVlog 11 жыл бұрын
A very good point!
@pluz93
@pluz93 13 жыл бұрын
@Kevstar19 Any solid written evidence? I would love to see them...
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 13 жыл бұрын
@mossbergvsworld Thanks for sharing. Feel better?
@WritingEliteGaming
@WritingEliteGaming 15 жыл бұрын
I agree with that, you can't help the way you feel, just like we can't help but feel angry at things that make us angry, it's whether we act on certain urges, and how.
@rishi69
@rishi69 11 жыл бұрын
I think this guy makes the most sense so far, i am Muslim n gay n i totally understood what he means. Thank you so much Dr Sherman.
@e-vee
@e-vee 11 жыл бұрын
THIS IS SO TRUE, wow ! perfectly worded.
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 13 жыл бұрын
@saifmatic Please do not use CAPS. That is considered yelling. Just type the way you see everyone else typing please.
@bokusheh
@bokusheh 14 жыл бұрын
Now what Islam is about, Love everyone as long as they are believers. Baraka Allah Fik my brother, very good explanation..
@peanutz001
@peanutz001 13 жыл бұрын
3:20 the guy to his right turns and gives him a 'wtf does your opinion have to do with this' look
@BFEForever
@BFEForever 12 жыл бұрын
I am Muslim. I am Gay. Allah made me Gay - if He didn't want me to be gay (and fabulous!), He wouldn't have made me this way. For those of you who think being gay is a mistake, it would thus be God's mistake. I am proud of who I am... and as for heaven or hell.... that's between Allah and me, and NO ONE ELSE!
@adiset12
@adiset12 14 жыл бұрын
A response to Dr. Jackson: I have watched your video...and i understood your response and your support of the hadith..But how about taking a look at this!! I accept your opinion! But I want u to hear me out on this and think about it!!..let me start with what you said 1.)Actions only is what we take people for and not for tendencies...what about the hadith stating "enama al aamalo belneyat" translated = "Actions are but by intentions and every man shall have only that which he intended"
@RedSeaCoral
@RedSeaCoral 14 жыл бұрын
@brotherdash im directing it to both of you, he made the remarks u aired them.
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 14 жыл бұрын
@RedSeaCoral -I'm not the speaker in the video bro. Direct your commentary to him.
@Licrans
@Licrans 12 жыл бұрын
@Shnakalaka the law itself was made in some way that it really difficult to apply it if you don't confess and even when you confess it still difficult because you must be sure. There was hadith that even say that people came to the prophet to confess and he first didn't listen, and when the guy confess 4 time, the prophet ask him if he wasn't mad, he say no, and if he was married, and he said yes and then they stoned him. the method is quite different form what we see today in IC
@786sami786
@786sami786 12 жыл бұрын
So only in the moment he's not a believer. As soon as he does the deed and stops, he may become a believer again. Is that correct?
@123lesta
@123lesta 12 жыл бұрын
Man this guy explains it so well. I've never thought of it like that but this video has definately been an eye opener Ive read some of the comments and some people are saying because there gay they feel like they're outcasts. This is absolutely true, but I reckon it would help so much if they grew there beards because nearly everyone judges people by there first look and having a beard would make everyone see that they are Muslims too. Ive always wonderd how people become gay....anyone???
@geminirider1829
@geminirider1829 6 жыл бұрын
wow. Amazing answer
@nightmareX1993
@nightmareX1993 12 жыл бұрын
For one, you cannot simply "insert homosexual here" into a hadith. For another, the hadith clearly states "at the moment." What comes after the moment?
@sahoool
@sahoool 12 жыл бұрын
We think the same but you can put it into words. Thank you.
8 жыл бұрын
Well said Alhumdulilah.☺️
@MumblingMickey
@MumblingMickey 11 жыл бұрын
Actaully epigenetics is a term that relates not just to alterations made to DNA or gene expression in-vitro, but also to changes to genes in the environment. For example two identical twins with the same gene known to express as asthma (say DPP10) but with one living in a city and the other in the countryside would more likely result in the city dweller developing asthma. That might even occur when both are in their 40's or 50's. They might even pass it on to children.
@johnbod
@johnbod 11 жыл бұрын
At a time when people are too worried about being labeled a bigot for explaining a stance, Dr. Jackson isn't scared to voice it. That takes guts.
@bigsurwander12
@bigsurwander12 14 жыл бұрын
Great answer.
@UmarAlLeithy
@UmarAlLeithy 13 жыл бұрын
Well said masha'Allah
@superstubes
@superstubes 12 жыл бұрын
@TheSeyeda then why are some folk born gay/ bi-sexual/transgendered??
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 15 жыл бұрын
So the question is how do we address this social reality? There are Muslims with all sorts of realities that may not be in accordance with the tenets of Islam to varying degrees of being problematic. I found Dr. Jackson's response to be the most erudite I've heard.
@Irfy84
@Irfy84 11 жыл бұрын
Dear cameraman, you completely destroyed this fine lecture for me.
@XasanSayid
@XasanSayid 12 жыл бұрын
@jim Tolkin excellent answer! or comment!
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 12 жыл бұрын
@Shnakalaka I am not the speaker in the video. I simply recorded and uploaded Dr. Jackson's response. It would be best for you to contact him. Do a search online for where he is currently teaching and email him your question. Thank you.
@observeism
@observeism 13 жыл бұрын
You are a respectable person and Muslim. I was a former Muslim, and "left" Islam in my teen years for personal reasons. I do however, still believe and practice some Islamic virtues in terms of being a stable, and balanced individual. However, many Muslims do not want to be equal, let alone practice the deep virtues that Islam states. I take solace in forums such as this one, that an individual must truly think about how to take on social situations such as the topic of homosexuality.
@greengreyable
@greengreyable 13 жыл бұрын
love this very much. It speaks loud and clear on how muslims should treat their gay brother or sister as a muslim and as a human in general. Allah knows best of the goods and bads among the humans..
@Shnakalaka
@Shnakalaka 12 жыл бұрын
@brotherdash I am a new Muslim, and you said that Islam does not "excommunicate" adulterers, but why then does Sharia punishment for adultery mean death? Honest question, I would appreciate an answer. Thanks so much.
@hollaatchaboii
@hollaatchaboii 13 жыл бұрын
@saifmatic , Salaam, I'm not sure if you're aware of the credentials of Dr. Jackson. He is a world renowned , much sough after, muslim scholar, whose answer was thoughtful, practical and enlightening. If you were able to find any flaw in his logic or in the hadith that he used to illustrate the rationale behind which he issued his statement, then I would say you might want to answer the question yourself.
@MrAngryGorilla2000
@MrAngryGorilla2000 11 жыл бұрын
I am a Muslim who happens to have homosexual desires sometimes, but at the same time I never felt comfortable every time a gay guy tries to hit on me. I am struggling with this, but at the same time I also find women attractive. Yet I did research on homosexuals, and the reason why these people are homosexuals because they were abused a lot from their parents and picked on by bullies. I also had this problem when i was younger. Both my parents were abusive, and I only have very few friends.
@subxpert786
@subxpert786 13 жыл бұрын
@noctis786 good stuff my brother, hold on the urge, i dont know how it feels to be gay but just stay strong man and iA allah will reward you.
@windowsz1
@windowsz1 12 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand his argument. He didn't reference his source of hadith. Yes, there was a time when wine was acceptable up till the order came from Allah swt to quit the use of wine as it's harmful. Is there any reference where it can be proven his argument?
@pranksta16
@pranksta16 12 жыл бұрын
totally agree with you man.
@irfand4
@irfand4 13 жыл бұрын
Hate the sin not the sinner is what the essence of the lecture is.
@TheNFLGUY619
@TheNFLGUY619 12 жыл бұрын
This guys so a genius. Like he seems extremely smart and I want to meet him and shake his hand.
@JAE21
@JAE21 12 жыл бұрын
very wise answer. fully agree with him
@SyNur
@SyNur 13 жыл бұрын
First, I admire the fact that he was bold enough to address the issue because many Imams just don't want to talk about it. Seriously, you can't shun people out of society , mosque, or lives in general just by their differences or so he says "behaviors. Imaan is with the person and Allah swt and the one above is the ONLY one who is has the RIGHT to judge! Hm.. for some reason ppl think they have that right?!
@kooasha
@kooasha 15 жыл бұрын
1. Did you get Dr Jackson's or IC-NYU's permission before putting this up? 2. There is a concept called due process of law. Nothing is as clear cut as the comment above making it out to be.
@ArthurFrancisPsyD
@ArthurFrancisPsyD 12 жыл бұрын
Im not a Muslim by any means. Im a Christian. Dr. Jackson's words were so on point that it not only answered the question at hand, but his words also made me respect his outlook on the " Whys " of Muslim dealings with Gays.
@UCKABAH
@UCKABAH 12 жыл бұрын
@hsvluver considering the name tag say Abd al-Hakim Jackson, I'd say yes, he is a Muslim.
@mzcyberbat
@mzcyberbat 13 жыл бұрын
I wish more muslim people could hear this message. It was well thought out and tolerant. As religion should be. I don't know if you have this saying in the Koran but my religion the saying goes like this. Judge not, less you be judged. It is not our place to judge our brothers & sisters. That is God/Allah's job!
@3ly3lawy
@3ly3lawy 12 жыл бұрын
where in the quran does it say that having homosexual sex is punishable by stonin (quran not hadith)
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 14 жыл бұрын
@RedSeaCoral Thanks you too. Peace.
@BasilBoxing
@BasilBoxing 11 жыл бұрын
WELL SAID!!!!
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 12 жыл бұрын
The only comments allowed referring to killing is when someone is quoting a Muslim scholar, companion of the Prophet or purported hadith. In these cases this is merely someone posting what the religion may or may not say. Just as the Bible has verses advocating what we may or may not agree with. But if you see a post that got through advocating murder from someone's own opinion then point it out so that I may remove it. (and you can leave off the "shame on you" stuff...it's silly)
@fileboy2002
@fileboy2002 13 жыл бұрын
This is just an elaboration off the "love the sinner, hate the sin" idea. It is a phony distinction. Loving the sinner while hating the sin doesn't work when Christians try to do it. I cannot imagine Muslims will be any more successful.
@anonimouse69
@anonimouse69 13 жыл бұрын
I've read and listened to many discussions about this subject. It is allowed to call yourself homosexual, what is not allowed is to have sexual relations with a member of the same sex. Sex outside of marriage is forbidden. Period.
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 15 жыл бұрын
It's not a priest's collar. It's just a no collar shirt sometimes referred to as a "Chinese" collar. It just happens to be white but a priest's collar is quite different. A priest's collar has a white insert placed inside a special shirt. This is just a no collar shirt. As an aside this is sort of a metaphor or allegory for how we often times come to our own conclusions based on our own flawed understanding or perspective instead of referencing "those who know" like Dr. Jackson. Just an aside.
@parkerflop
@parkerflop 11 жыл бұрын
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh This appears to be the consensus of the Sahaba.
@abdulwali4266
@abdulwali4266 12 жыл бұрын
asalaam u aleikum sheikh, at the beginning of the video you mention that according to what you expound islam does not "excommunicate" brothers and sisters within our beloved deen, this is good to say because isuing takfir is for the ulema. yet it is notable that consummating a marriage is a form of ibada, and this being said shirk ul ahkbar is something which can take you out of the fold of islam. if islam prohibits profane and obscene acts just as you do not allow profanity in responses
@haramseries1377
@haramseries1377 8 жыл бұрын
Will Allah forgive us for what we have done?
@kledmohd4230
@kledmohd4230 8 жыл бұрын
+Haram Series Of course, Allah forgives whomever he will and no one holds him accountable for what he does, however his forgiveness should not be taken as an advantage over, as in a person sins freely with no intention to improve and repent thinking Allah will forgive, all ppl sin but there should be an effort to improve, the verses of Allah should not be taken out of context, like when Allah says he's the all forgiving and merciful etc, it's for men to ponder and be amazed by Allah's mercy and try to make amends and improve, it's not meant for ppl to get a free license to sin. The creator who created the intellect knows who is planning against his mercy, and he would naturally have the ultimate plan which would overpower all the other subplans of his creations. However at the end of the Day, Allah forgives all sin except Polytheism in Islam considering the person was a believer with right beliefs and not a hypocrite.
@zeshanhm
@zeshanhm 12 жыл бұрын
1.Nice shirt, mashallah. 2. Is that Khalid Latif next to yah? We all sin, openly or privately right? I mean "no son of adam goes without sin"? so it'll happen. This is just another sin. I feel thought there is a serious lack of sensitivity towards our brothers and sisters have different sexual orientations. Even the words we use, saying "it's their sickness, they need help" We all need help, brothers and sisters struggle with dating/feelings I see this in the same category
@garrettkiriakos-fugate449
@garrettkiriakos-fugate449 12 жыл бұрын
the premise that you can be homosexual, just don't do it, is like telling the straight person that it is ok to be heterosexual, just don't do it. No one would ever say "you can be a liar, just don't lie." or "you can be an alcoholic, just don't drink." Being homosexual is an integrated part of ones identity. It is one's nature. One's fitra.
@jomper
@jomper 11 жыл бұрын
Research shows that self-described straight people who object to homosexuality are in fact repressing their own homosexual tendencies, whereas self-described straight people who have no issues with homosexuality do not respond in the same way to homosexual cues. I think this is pertinent to discussions of this nature where anti-homosexual feelings are supported by certain religious writings. See, for example, watch?v=xP4zr0agHSM
@brotherdash
@brotherdash 14 жыл бұрын
Respond to this video... The need to approve comments was the result of having to constantly delete vile, garbage filled rants and profanity laced posts. No comment has been rejected for its argument only for how it was articulated. The point of posting the video and allowing comments is for people to be exposed to a response that is rarely articulated and to share in that discussion. It was not meant to be a haven for bathroom talk. As you can see your critique wasn't censored was it?
@ProteinShaykh
@ProteinShaykh 12 жыл бұрын
@Shnakalaka I think a simple way to put it.. 1. We should not alienate, shun, persecute people who commit sins, even if they be homosexuals! This is what we should not "excommunicate" means. 2. We should reach out to, engage, speak to and most importantly help to grow the love for Allah in their hearts, such they can throw away bad ACTIONS, and help them to control their desires! 3. Those who refuse #2 - then the shariah punishment would be applied. Does that make sense?
@RobertoSoloneBoccardi
@RobertoSoloneBoccardi 13 жыл бұрын
@noctis786 Hi! I am happy that Muslims are trying to answer this question, If There is a Place for Homosexuals in Islam. Actually to recognize, as you say, that you don't choose to be homosexual (nobody choose it) is a great step. Really it is not your fault what you feel. You feel love and excitement prior to any voluntary thought. This is way I choose to live my feelings and be happy, and I am now married to a wonderful man that I love and support with all myself. He is the centre of life now
@fabdi445
@fabdi445 11 жыл бұрын
if we had more muslims like this brother the world will be a better place.
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