Honda CRF 450L Dual Sport BRUTALLY HONEST Review

[@davidcormier924]

I absolutely love my 450L. I have to disagree with you. It’s a great base platform and you can mod it your way, but it’s not for everyone. One thing your did not mention is that a lot of stuff that’s bad on the 450L is because of EPA regulations. I have 20k km on mine, it’s one of my favourite bike ever!

[@sarahdell4042]

It’s a great bike, but it does need a good amount of cash in upgrades just to operate smoothly. (ECU & Exhaust) Both which add up. IMO the 690 with that investment is just a better buy.

[@eveRide]

That's awesome to hear! I'm glad you're loving the bike! I only had mine for 6 months so you definitely have a better perspective than I do. What areas in the video do you disagree with? I'll pin this comment so people get a solid representation from a 20,000 km owner!

[@davidcormier924]

@@sarahdell4042 With emissions regulations these days, pretty much every new bike needs an ECU remap and exhaust to run right... (and you save a lot of weight!)

[@thambu19]

​@@eveRide I think both of you are right. It is a great bike when you do not have to ride technical sections and can keep it on the back roads, occasional freeways and canyons. It is when riding tight singletrack a lot when the quirks come out. And to some extent it is the EPA regulations but the CRF450r has the same problem of flameouts if taken on tight single track and those bikes never had to deal with EPA. So the real culprit is not EPA but Honda themselves. They wanted to use the 450r engine and detune it rather than develop an all new combustion chamber geometry for the 450L. The same combustion chamber, tumble, squish that makes fire breathing power in the R does not work well in low speeds. Too much compression, too much air motion inside the engine that kills the flame before it gets a chance to consume the fuel. So this is all Honda's fault or our fault because if they indeed had to spend the time and money in making a new engine then the cost would go up even more and no one would buy. So it's everyone's fault or maybe no one's fault :). Just use it for what it was designed to be which is a gentle dual sport and keep the technical riding to a minimum and it would be a great bike. This is the kinda bike you take on a trans america cross country trail.

[@railduke68]

@@thambu19 You’re absolutely correct. I had both my 20 KTM 500 excf and the 450l. Pros and cons to both bikes, but the 500 is way easier to ride on single track bone stock and even better uncorked.

[@dougwilson4708]

I watched this video, and many others and decided to go ahead and get the 2022 CRF450RL. Having been a die hard Honda rider for 50 years I just couldn't switch. After the first week I have to admit I had mixed emotions, wondering if I made the right choice. Then came my scheduled hernia surgery. For a month I couldn't ride it so I got online and started ordering parts. I ordered the following. 3 Gallon IMS tank, G2 Throttle Tamer, Seat Concepts Seat, AiM Taipan ECU with AiM Multi Mode Map Switch, Graves Exhaust, Steahly Flywheel kit, Skid Plate, Fender Eliminator, bar ends and pillow grips. I put on all the parts and tuned the suspension while I was healing, which took about 5 weeks. Eventually I was able to get on the bike again and take it for some serious rides. I was absolutely blown away with the transformation this machine had taken. It became the perfect trail machine. Here is the AiM map 2 description: "MAP 2: OPEN EXHAUST - ENDURO SINGLE TRACK MODE (full system or slip on) smooth and linear low end power for riding the gnar gnar rough stuff eliminating the lurchy snappy throttle feel of the stock ecu. Combine this map with a 7oz flywheel weight and a Rekluse clutch and you've got a machine that can be chugged and lugged up over and through virtually anything. It’s such an improvement over the stock bike it’s completely transformative." I have to agree. Gone was the twitchy throttle, never had a flame out, the seat felt great, and I was sitting on an amazing powerhouse trail bike with amazing suspension that could take me home without loading it in the truck. Sure, I had to spend more money to get it where I absolutely love the bike, but I would do it again, well worth it... and it's a Honda.

[@ryanhallidaho]

I love my 2019 450L! I am the original owner and definitely bit off more than I could chew learning on this bike. Sure I could have bought a 250L but I wanted a bike I could grow old together with. It was a pure pain to ride right out of the gates. I did not want to give up on the bike or myself. We do mostly off-road rides and things were slow going. I started to add aftermarket parts and as I honed my skills the bike also became easier to ride. So far I have added a vortex ecu, exhaust, throttle tamer, steahly flywheel weight, race tech rear spring, tusk dsport tires, rear rim lock and balanced wheel, 14 front sprocket, seat concepts seat, ims 3 gal tank and a few creature comfort items. Future mod is hydraulic clutch to aid in slower more technical off-road. I never bought the bike for technical single track nor did I as a commuter. I have used it around town for short trips, fire roads to single track, I take it up camping, I use it on hunting trips and lastly some dual sport bike camping trips. Would I be better off with two bikes lets say ktm 300 xcw and ktm 690 sure but I wanted one bike that could take me nearly everywhere and it has in its current state. If you want a specialized bike to do one task buy all means purchase multiple bikes the 450l is not for you. If you don't modify bikes and keep them in oem configuration the 450l might not be for you. If you want a bike that can be modified to your needs and can be ridden on a vast array adventures the 450l is a viable option. Ride Safe!

[@cheechychongz7124]

When stock they twitchy as hell aye😂

[@sonofasausageking9267]

A little over a year ago, the allure of a late year 450L with a dealer discount had me dropped off and left to make a purchase. With my wife 30+ minutes away and me beginning paperwork, I asked for a ride on the bike I was 99% certain I wanted to buy. Within minutes the flame outs, stalling, lurching and finicky nature had me frustrated and now stranded at a dealership with no way home. (First world problem). I called my wife and in her infinite wisdom and appreciation for my hobbies, not to mention patience; told me that I needed to make a decision and come home on a bike (again first world problem and awesome wife). I took a Beta out for a test ride and was blown away by performance, part spec and price, but fears of maintenance and part availability had me concerned and I passed. Now with dwindling hours to remain open, the only other option was KTM and there is a no test ride policy. Assured it was going to be similar to the Beta in feel/performance and my love for team Orange, I bit the bullet and bought a KTM 500 exc-f……. After 1 year, I have never been more satisfied with a bike. On trail it is flawless, on highway it laughs at speed even fully loaded. It is a beast, but gentle in a way that allows a rider to grow with it and not scare you away. Great review, I am glad that my test ride experience is validated once again and also glad that my wife left me stranded at Beaverton Motorcycle that fateful January afternoon!

[@JRodSMX]

11k miles on mine. It’s been fantastic. Bike isn’t perfect, but it’s a jack of all trades and the master of none. Can be built however you like. I ride mine in the desert and at the track. Mostly fast paced riding and as a supermoto on the track. I even plan on racing it this year. This bike can do all of the above and still cruise on the highway if needed. Flameouts were only a issue during break in. The manual even states it. Even says to raise the idle which helps allot. For tight single track a flywheel weight is a must. The engine is heavily based on the mx bike. Not really good out of the box for the slow technical stuff but absolutely rips in the fast stuff. Excellent bike. Sold my ktm 500 for mine. The 450 fits me better and the engine is much better for my type of riding. Plus it’s been trouble free while my ktm had a multiple issues in the same amount of miles. None of them were major but for the price I’d rather ride it than spend extra time fixing it. I had the same problems with both of my drzs. They are supposed to be reliable but I must have bad luck with them. They left me stranded one to many times. So that’s why I went with the 450l. I think the problem is people buying it with the wrong expectations. This bike is not for everyone but that could be said for many bikes. That’s why there’s so many different flavors out there get the one that fits you the best, not the one that the internet tells you is best (I’ve made that mistake with the drz).

[@tripvision2875]

I love my 2021 crf450rl I don’t have any of those issues your talking about. Mine never dies like that. I have a 3 Gallon tank ecu and exhaust. My bike is great. I have no complaints

[@spring9603]

god bless the ecu. the throttle jerkiness is unbearable at low speeds.

[@mikeschnelbach3809]

I have a 2022 450RL and love it (previous bikes '96 XR400R, '19 Beta 300RR). Stock ECU, stock pipe, throttle tamer, Zeta 3 finger clutch lever, Pirelli MT21, Motoz Mtn Hybrid. I experienced the flame-out issue for the first 800 or so miles, now at 1350 miles it runs beautifully. The bike is great on the street, fire roads and moderately technical single track. It's not a hard enduro / woods weapon, but that's not what it was designed for. My recommendation is leave the ECU & pipe alone and ride it, don't waste money trying to fix a non-issue, totally unnecessary, at least for the 2021/2022 RL's. I seriously considered the EXC-F 350 / 500, but I wanted a bike that has a proper key, sub-frame for bags, and class-leading suspension. I have no regrets.

[@goodcitizen]

I am 62 years young and ride the hell out of my 2021 CRF450RL I knew full well when I bought this bike it would benefit greatly from a yoshi/vortex and I was prepared to install both on day 2. No regrets and love this Honda…. When I want to just putt around I jump on 1 of the 2 CT125’s I have…life is 😊

[@davidsalo8397]

After installing a GET SX-1 ECU, the motor transformed into something amazing. Smooth, torquey and fast! The GET offers better gas mileage than the AIM ECU that I originally tried. Taco Moto gave me credit for the AIM, which didn't really fix the low speed stall issue. With the IMS 3.0 tank, 100+ mile rides can easily be achieved. If I were mainly riding single track, I'd choose another machine. But for dual sport riding, this is the bike!

[@wasatchadventures8947]

So how much have you spent total?

[@MrDrivesafe]

I'm surprised. I've owned a xr400, xr650r, KTM 950 super enduro. Love the crf450L / RL. Big tank stock ecu and exhaust. Flameout issue went away after about 1000 miles.

[@gt7500]

Most people with bad opinions either put a pipe and ECU on the bike within one or two rides or sold it withing 500 miles. The rest never rode the bike, but comment anyway, as anything not orange is bad. My 2019 is stock as well and doesn't stall. It is a great bike.

[@trevorjameson3213]

The flameout thing shouldn't be that big of a deal, a rider just learns how to keep the engine going. I had a brand new YZ426 back in '01 and it flamed out like that too, but I got used to it soon enough and that wasn't much of an issue anymore. Just had to know how to ride it, that's all, don't let the rpms drop to near zero under a load and it's fine. I used that bike in Colorado for trail riding in the mountains and it was pretty good, even on tight, nasty rocky stuff it was great, but did have to gear it a bit lower with a smaller front sprocket, no big deal. The only thing that sucked, it was kick start only, another incentive not to stall it. Lol I kept that bike for ten years, never should have sold it really, super reliable.

[@BStrick1993]

Bought mine when they first came out in 19. Did a tuner, bar risers, bark busters, and a slip on exhaust and a set of tires. Still working on that brutal throttle. It hurt my cousin the first time he rode it. And pretty much anyone who rides it on a trail hates it. I still love it. Last time I rode it I put 176 miles on in Hatfield McCoy trails.

[@pets4489]

I'm 6k miles on a 19 450L. 100% all stock, and I haven't had a flameout since 1200 miles.

[@Foggyscotty]

What is a flame out

[@pets4489]

@Foggyscotty Flameout is a condition that is caused by too much air and not enough fuel in the combustion cycle. This typically happens when running normally, then suddenly releasing the throttle. The reason flameout is talked about now days is because of emissions making the manufacture design the fuel maps in poor ways to handle that situation.

[@Foggyscotty]

@@pets4489 would it happen on older bikes like from the early 2000s

[@pets4489]

@Foggyscotty not really a symptom of a carburetor bike. Old efis may do it too, but modern bikes are more common.

[@ddacaro]

I was an inch away from buying a drz400 but am glad I waited for my 300L non-rally. For BDR light adventure I think it's all the power I need (it really doesn't have any issues getting me up any hills) and enough highway power in 6th to get me off the BDR to a hotel for breaks between camping, or gas station and back on the BDR again. And, it feels way less heavy and is more maneuverable, and is likely going to be another reliable honda (reinforced subframe over the 250L, and uses a tried and true CBR engine). I stressed over this decision but I think each rider needs to think it through and again am glad I went Honda. I don't ride balls to the wall so I'm not lamenting the 300L power. I'm trying to get anywhere (90% offroad), safely and with versatility and reliability. As others say and I agree, the 300L does nothing amazing but that it simply does everything, well that itself is kind of amazing.

[@MrDirtrider0129]

The 450l is a fickle creature. A lot of people wanted this bike to be the red equivalent of a 500exc or fe501, and it just isn't. Which, depending on your riding location, isn't a bad thing. I have 2000 miles on my 2019 (all stock) , and everything you pointed out as a con is correct (to an extent). I haven't really experienced the flameout issue as many have had, but then again I didn't buy this bike a single track or technical riding weapon (I have ridden tough singletrack and the flameout frequency was about the same as my old 2015 250exc-f). From reading the very active adv rider thread on this bike, I've noticed those who purchase the bike and ride it in stock form without many modifications are those who tend to keep the bike the longest. Those that try to modify the bike into the red ktm or Husqvarna or beta end up selling it in short time.

[@got_to_roll]

I would love to see this chassis repowered with something less high strung/ high maintenance. A 300 pound fuel injected XR650?

[@trevorjameson3213]

Yeah either that or they could increase the engine size of the CRF300 to at least 500cc's. Then you'd have a nice bike that's easy to ride, plenty of power, good gas mileage, practically no maintenance, and wouldn't cost a fortune like the 450L. Ok, so it wouldn't have the same great chassis and suspension, but otherwise it might be pretty good. But honestly, I like the idea of an injected 650, then you'd NEVER be wanting for torque and low-end power.

[@alphawolf2993]

what about the cb500x engine with lower gearing?

[@court2379]

I am not convinced fuel injection is good. Yeah it's nice to not deal with jetting, but now they have taken your ability to tune it away. Since it seems every bike is tuned terribly from the factory, that is a problem.

[@johnnywishbone1349]

Definitely need fuel injection!

[@court2379]

@@johnnywishbone1349 Why?

[@HillBilly1905]

I paid $3800 for a 03 drz400s fully modified and very well taken care of 7300 mile bike. First duel sport and absolutely loving it. Thank you for your honest feedback on the 450L

[@davidc1961utube]

If I ever decide to spend big money on a new dual sport in that capacity range, I would probably look at the 501S or 701 enduro. The 501 is less intimidating, $1000 more, and 40 pounds lighter. The 701 is $2000 more, 30ish pounds heavier, can be optioned with over 20L of fuel, has lots of electronic goodies and substantially better road behaviour for a dual sport. The 501 for mostly dirt, like your off road rallies feature, and the 701 for ADV touring one up, like I am currently doing. Both also have good aftermarket support. If you have an absolute price ceiling like most folks do, the DRZ and DR are both very good options to the 501 and 701, for half or less money. As always, your outstanding camera and drone work, combined with the epic scenery, make your review videos worth watching even if you are reviewing a motorcycle I am not interested in. You could put knobbies on a Grom, ride it out there, and I would watch and drool into my Pavlovian bib. Cheers, THE. ;-)

[@brendanbilly4183]

I am in Australia and own a crf450L with a vortex and fmf and cane the guts out of it in all types of riding and never get flame outs!! Outstanding bikes love mine

[@antarlarios6313]

Couldn`t agree more ! The time will come when people look at the 450L and say "they don`t make bikes like this anymore"

[@devonhenry1261]

The Steahly flywheel weight very much helps the tractorability of the bike reducing the flameout issue dramatically imo.

[@trevorjameson3213]

That's what I was thinking, just get a heavier flywheel if you absolutely MUST ride it at near zero rpm under a load. Lol

[@EricBanner571]

Every time I ride my DRZ400E, I'm pleasantly surprised how good it is.

[@alphawolf2993]

a drz400 with sub 15k miles can be had here for as little as $2500. Unreal value for money. It'll get you to work and up the mountains.

[@Tennessee_db]

Bro I have been researching everything all day everyday for over a year trying to make a decision about a new bike. I would love a husky 350 Fe but those huskies and KTMs and gas gas units have nothing but f****** problems. I keep coming back to the DRZ400 I guess I should just go buy it get it over with it beats the hell out of my 250 that's where my 250 keeps up with my Honda 450 on the highway and the trails better than any other bike I've had

[@hardrider5905]

Same whenever i get back on my XR400, it's just a sweet bike to ride.

[@razorsedgeadventures6599]

I own a 21 CRF 450 RL. It’s hard to hear the negative things you listed however, I couldn’t argue with any of them, with exception of the bike’s engine quirks after installing the Vortex ECU. When I first brought the bike home from the dealer the low RPM flame outs were infuriating. But, after installing the Vortex and a Yoshi full exhaust, the flameouts have all but disappeared, even on low speed trail riding. I paid the extra $75 for the 2-way switch so I could have a second engine map for street riding. Of course those two mods equate to a hefty $1500+, and add to those the new $300 seat ( a must), a quality skid plate, real off road tires, real hand guards, a $300 IMS 3 gallon fuel tank, and a few other goodies, and the warmed over dirt bike is a pretty expensive toy. I plan to keep the 450 RL for the overlanding duty and buy a GasGas 300 for the trail days!

[@jeffosland5447]

It's really unfortunate seeing bad reviews on a great bike. Reality is it needs time to break in before it can receive an honest review. Fresh out of the crate I agree it was terrible, but now with the mods and 3500 miles later I'm in love! Every time I get on the bike it brings a smile to my face and that's what is most important when it's all said and done.

[@sarahdell4042]

I might be alone, but I’d much rather have a cable clutch. Dead simple to replace

[@eveRide]

You're spot on, there! I hadn't thought about replacement. I've never heard of a hydraulic clutch system needing to be replaced, just the fluid changed. HOWEVER, I have had a hydraulic clutch fail on me and it definitely was no fun. It needed to sit for a while before it would work again. Then again... I had a cable clutch snap on me and that was no fun either. It's just a matter of maintenance either way, I guess!

[@fynn8252]

True. I do think the feel of hydraulic is better for enduro, but cables are simple and very reliable. Honda might add the hydraulic system from the 450R/RX when they update this bike. Would also be nice to have the R’s exhaust header

[@sarahdell4042]

@@eveRide You’ve obviously never owned an Aprilia! Haha I do a lot of solo on and off road travels, and have been stranded due to hydraulic systems. Always carry a spare throttle & clutch cable though, and simple to replace.

[@sarahdell4042]

@@fynn8252 Hydraulic feels way better, that’s for sure!

[@GunFunZS]

I'd far rather have hydraulic.

[@algee8228]

Its too dang bad Honda didn't knock this one out of the park right from the get-go. And they don't seem to be trying to correct the basic problems so far.

[@thambu19]

Tyler, your videos are like therapy to hear on repeat. It could be your voice or the occasional humor or your wonderful command over language. Just like at 38 how I feel nostalgic about Tom&Jerry and Pink Panther cartoons, I am sure in 30 years time I would end up watching your videos during a time I can no longer ride and only think about those glory days. Keep riding, keep making those rallies and one day I hope I will get a chance to meet you in one of your rallies. Your videos bring a lot of joy.

[@westoncurtis4383]

I'm Wes, the current owner of the bike Tyler reviewed. The bike currently has about 3,300 miles on it. I've got a couple hundred miles, primarily riding around the single-track and dirt roads around Saratoga Springs, UT. I am by no means a hard enduro rider, but do enjoy all of the single track in Northern Utah. I also like putting around a field near my house with my young kids on their 50cc bikes and quads. When I was looking at this bike for an upgrade from my 250L, my biggest concern was the flameout issues. The bike has the Vortex ECU, throttle tamer, and stock exhaust. I've spent plenty of time in 1st gear on this thing, and can honestly say that if I had not read and watched so many reviews about the flameout issue, I would not have thought it was a problem with this bike. Sure, I've killed it a couple of times, but they were clearly due to the same clutch modulation inexperience I was working through as I gain more experience riding. Nothing that I would consider frustrating so far.

[@bryananderson3772]

Am I the only one who likes the 300 over the 450? 74mpg, 6000 miles in between oil changes and $5,400. I get the 450 is more powerful but is it worth all of the sacrifice?

[@KREllis-vr1ix]

I sold my 250 Rally to buy a 450RL. There's benefits to both bikes and I wish I could have afforded both.

[@brodi5367]

To be frank, yes. You can also not use the power. But if you ever want more power, that would bring on the regret

[@bryananderson3772]

@@KREllis-vr1ix the 300 is a nice bump up from the 250

[@MrBluesmeister]

Depending on your use and abilities the 300 may be a better option. However you are foolish to think they are comparable on any level. The 300 is an entry level machine that has the qualities you stated, significantly lower price, better fuel economy and the suggested difference in oil change mileage. What you get for twice the price is a real motorcycle not an entry level toad. The power is enough for 90% of all riders including those who are professionals and more than enough for most weekend warriors. The suspension is top notch with only minor adjustments and the proper spring weight. The $1500 spent on a gas tank, ecu and seat put it closer to the KTM and Husky which are your other options. I should include Beta also I suppose. And the real plus is you get a HONDA that is as reliable as an ax. The 300’s suspension cannot be made to be considered adequate for fast off-road no matter how much you spend on it. No high speed obstacles or whoops should be attempted or tragedy will soon follow. The power is nominal and can only be improved slightly legitimately. The magazines will promote huge gains in power by adding an aftermarket pipe but the dynometer will suggest otherwise. The power is typically minimal and at rpm’s you won’t utilize on your bike. Typically at the 6,000 plus range. What you do get is a louder exhaust note that may not pass sound testing in some places. Both bikes have a definite niche but are not in comparable categories.

[@RedEmpire36]

The 300 is turning into a turd. A 2008 wr250r and 2002 drz400s are better buys and those bikes can be found for 3-4K

[@osimnod]

Love your brutally honest reviews. So glad to hear Mr. Duhfactor is still around since I first heard of him with your DRZ "upgrade" so many years ago. Such a great teacher. Look forward to more of his videos. Love the southern Utah tracks you show!

[@verbalwidget7267]

A good review, I'll keep my XR650L, with a few mods, cheap and reliable. Have to agree with others, clutch cables all day long.

[@aaronbehindbars]

I had a 2019 450L for a little over a year. I found that it worked better on tight trails after I went -2 on the rear sprocket, Steahly flywheel weight, and a throttle tamer. Flame out issue went away with some miles and the heavier flywheel. I liked the slightly taller gearing because it made 1st gear more useable. Power was plenty, easy to pop up the front in 3rd without any clutch. Also did the IMS 3 gallon tank and Seat Concepts so you could sit on the bike for almost as long as you could ride on a tank. It was a great bike, but ended up being wrong for my use. I ride a lot more tarmac and some dirt roads with a once yearly camping trip where it would get used on trails. Made more sense to replace with a CRF300L Rally. I'll probably regreat that on my camping trip, but it'll be adequate. It's so much better for 99% of my riding.

[@user-vr6qc5oe4r]

I had a 450 L for about 4 months. Put a fancy ECU programmer on it, experimented with different sprockets, and it still sucked on trails. If you’re a dual sporter that rides more dirt roads double track….it’s ok. But if you hit any moderate trails….you will lose your religion. I love Honda, but this bike stinks…at least for trails. It actually caused me to have some really gnarly crashes because it would flame out in some precarious places. I sold it to an older gentleman that only rides gravel, fire roads and he likes it. I got a KTM 500 and the difference is unbelievable! Compared to the 450 L, the orange bike is like a Mike Tyson that knocks the Honda out of the game. I’ve told many many guys this same story, including Adventure Daily, and no one will listen! They get the 450L and end up selling the thing within weeks!! If you ride ANY SINGLE TRACK…..do not get a 450 L !!! Ugh.

[@matthewturowski8281]

Most of my riding is not dual sport so I couldn't justify spending10k on a platform like that. I ride mostly in the woods and eastern trails. The old Honda's you mentioned are great. I had been looking for an XR 400 for a while, they don't come up often and sell pretty quickly, usually at inflated prices. I found one that needed a lot of love and gave it the love it needed. A new top end and a bunch of other odds and ends, it works great for me. I'd love to have to have an electric start, but it usually fires up in a couple of kicks. It's no match for my 300 XCW, but its a 20 year old bike and certainly works great, has its place and I won't get rid of it.

[@tamallory]

I bought a 19 450L and it had the vortex ecu, the X exhaust (no cat), and 1500 miles on it. It really does do everything well. I have some really tight trails behind my house. It handles them great and doesn't flame out much more than my 15 KTM 350xcf-w does. I like the 350 better in the technical trails but it sucks on slab. I do think the 450L does better after it has a 1000 or so miles on it. It does get expensive after the mods but I trust the Honda a bit more than the KTM for a long hard ride. The KTM does track really great on the rough trails but so far I really have no complaints on the 450L's ability on the trails. I also think that it needs a larger rear or smaller front sprocket if you are going to ride really tight and difficult trails. After all it cruises at about 90mph with stock gearing. I have been riding since the 70s, there are a lot of really good bikes out there, be thankful for choices! It hasn't always been like that.

[@alphawolf2993]

is it worth 3 drz 400s though? I guess that depends on how much $10,000 means to you.

[@adamnagel7436]

@@alphawolf2993 a used 450l can be had for well under 10k. Why compare used prices of bikes that are often 20 years old to a new bike?

[@alphawolf2993]

@@adamnagel7436 Because the performance is similar enough to comparable. If money means nothing to you, sure, buy a 450l, but if money does mean something you can get 80% of the performance for 25% of the price. 450ls near me go for almost-new prices.

[@lukefish7562]

Love my 450RL but you’re right off road. That’s why I had to get a te300i for the woods. Thanks for video.

[@phillipmaldonado1]

I have a 2019 450l which I bought for almost a steal. With the stock ECU and stock exhaust, the bike is very very disappointing. However, I didn’t want to give up on Honda and paid for a Vortex ECU tuned by Twisted Developments which I had to wait many months for, and a full Pro Circuit Exhaust. The bike feels like how it should have from the very beginning. Is it worth the 2k upgrades? Depends on how much you paid for the bike ... A lot of people don't know that there is a very heavy catalytic converter in the stock exhaust as well. Ultimately the bike is great at everything besides very intense single track but hey we can't have it all!

[@Boonus18]

I really like mine, very happy with it. Bought it new in 2019, have over 12k kms on it.

[@mrs.waight7326]

I agree 💯 .. I will stick with the time tested and proven DRZ 400. Best all around Dual sport ever made...

[@keshmo12]

I'm a honda guy and I bought a 450L used with 500 miles with all the mods on it. It's a good adventure bike but I think the ktm 500 is a better overall bike but I don't trust the reliability of it. The ktm 500 was so smooth off road and the clutch is very nice. For the flameout issue, increasing the idle rpms to 1800-1900 helps. I think they set the idle too low at the factory.

[@danAshbjorn]

You know there's multiples people's who have riddance the KTM 500 around the world with no reliability issues at all? Check out Aaron S the braaping kiwi.

[@marcochavanne]

My last dual sport bikes: 2012 WR250R 2013 WR250R 2012 WR450F (plated) 2012 WR450F (plated) 2009 YZ450F (plated) This time I went with the CRF300L Rally I was going to use it for commuting and wanted the larger tank for fewer fillups. Also got tired of the short maintenance intervals of the larger bikes. Do I miss the 1 mile/effortless wheelies? Sure But I am looking forward to putting a ton of miles on a bike with less downtime. Maybe I am getting older, but I just miss riding and dont want to spend anymore Saturdays in the garage.

[@DorkintheRoad]

Thank you for making this video. I've always kinda had the 450L in the back of my mind as my "next" bike if I ever want to move on from my DRZ. It sounds like I may be riding my DRZ for a very long time.

[@thefriendlyogre6455]

Another great review as usual. So glad I decided to spend $5,000 on a 20 year old Honda XR650R. Not $10,000 on a new age p.o.s.

[@hadleybennett6875]

Keep making yourself feel better. The suspension and ride quality on newer bikes isn’t even comparable.

[@thefriendlyogre6455]

@@hadleybennett6875 actually I have to completely redo the suspension on any bike I ride bc I'm 6'6" 280lbs so my bike rides just as smooth as any new bike 😎

[@cplandrew]

You could never be nothing, Tyler. But thank you for your content and thanks for your appreciation. Loved this video, was very to the point without hating on the bike. Well put.

[@sailingaeolus]

I've got a WR450, DRZ400 and RMZ450. Of those I really love the DRZ400 the most. A set of Kenda K270 and the bike goes pretty much everywhere. It is a bit soft on suspension but good tractor power. Really comfortable to spend the ENTIRE DAY on the trails and fire roads. You only need shorts, tee shirt and glasses! Only serious drawback on the DRZ400 is weight, a bit heavy. Half hour on the RMZ450 and I'm baked. Tons of power but takes a lot of energy. RMZ450s are for full out and courses. The WR450 turned out to be a very interesting bike, climbs everything and makes for a very nice trail bike. Thanks for your honest assessment of the Honda. A bunch of trade offs with dual sport/dirt bikes. To me, the quiet and comfort of the DRZ400 is just awesome.

[@dalenifong2275]

Hey Tyler, I really enjoy your channel. Two years ago, I got an invitation to ride with three semi pros, to do the KAT. “1000 miles in five days in the Kentucky mountains.” I’m fortunate to be able to afford any dirtbike, within reason. Since I was a 60 year old and the least experienced rider, I needed to not worry about the motorcycle. Thus, “Honda”. I installed a tuner, recluse, springs for my weight, and good tires. We all made it but the Honda shined. The EXC 500 had rear bearing failures. The DRC 400 Ryder had carb problems. Altitude etc. The WR 250 rider was was short on power at times. I sold it after the ride. And went to a small KTM for the local rides. I would buy another one if I was invited to do another grueling adventure/duel sport ride again where I had to depend on the motorcycle.

[@314adv]

6,000 miles on my ‘21 RL - time is the key. I have done 6 days of camping off it on the Kentucky adventure tour, several weekend dual sport rallies, and I go off-roading and single track at my local OHV park several times a month. I have the flywheel weight mod (no ecu upgrade) and even got rid of my throttle tamer as I find the longer I am on it - the better it gets. But yes - offer me 9K and I’ll hand anyone the keys today.

[@michaelthayer6995]

Massively superior production skills over 90% of the reviewers on KZbin (of any product). The commentary combined with the video really appealed to me.

[@AlaskaSkidood]

I bought my XR650R from a guy who was transitioning to a CRF450L because it is lighter and has electric start. Even the legendary bikes have issues we are willing to put up with, often due in large part to the price they are now - exactly like you said.

[@CBWANADA]

You got the better deal. I have 54k on my xr650r, been everywhere. Street, dirt, trail, Baja, WY,UT, CA...went to dealer to buy a crf450l was amazed at how heavy it was. My xr650r is 308 lbs fueled. Theirs I remember was 303lbs. Wanted something light, powerful, street legal. Bought the 500exc instead. 9k miles later no regrets. Still have the xr650r.

[@PathToAnywhere]

Quite a bit of hate in the comment section for a bike that you reviewed fairly. Sounds like you find it similar to the Himalayan in the sense that it’s greatest weakness is the competition. With that said, I have a well sorted RL and it’s currently the most fun on two wheels I’ve ever had. Too many people in the comment section justify their distaste for a 10K Japanese dual sport that DOES need work from the factory by bashing it without ever trying it. More than 2000 miles in 3 months of ownership and I’ll be keeping it for as long as it still runs.

[@gt7500]

Most of the "haters" have never even sat on one, let alone rode a "broken in" model! Like the old saying goes, believe half of what you read...

[@JohannesDalenMC]

Funny, interesting and detailed, loved it! I was thinking about this bike but I ultimately went with a Husky 701 enduro as I’m more of an ‘adventurer’ than a dual sporter. Have a DRZ too so I’m all set 😁

[@lousplumbing2042]

I owned one for a year. Here’s honest pros and cons Pros- excellent suspension, comfortable but can be pushed hard and it will get it done. Especially high speed bumps or whoops. Stability- one of the best bikes I’ve ridden at high speed when crossing bumpy terrain. This sill stands out to me after riding many other bikes. For high speed stability it excellent Cockpit and head light- all controls were easy to get to and head light is LED and very bright Cons- Flame outs- I’ve owned 3 modern dual sport bikes and some older ones. The 450l was the most sensitive to flame outs. I’m talking clutch in and bike stalls. But I must be honest after modding with a fuel turner the problem went away And I will say this is a mod I do on all my bikes because I just don’t like the feel of a choked up bike. I like a free flowing exhaust. The slower the speed the heavier it felt- single track was just difficult with this bike. The weight was extremely noticeable and felt top heavy. Mixed with the engine characteristics I was just hard to ride on tight single track. Gas in the oil- since day one I had gas in the oil. I tried everything recommended and nothing helped. Not a lot of gas maybe a few ozs but was a frustrating problem for a brand new bike. Bike not set up and we’ll as other competitors especially from Australia- air filter was a pain to get to. Handle bar is 7/8 bar so going up to a 1 1/8 fat bar I have to change the bottom clamps . Also the clamps are only 2 positions . Other competitors have 4 positions for bar placement.

[@markperrella5546]

agree with all your comments. I replaced tank, seat, exhaust, header, tires, cs, full racetech suspension and added a vortex. The bike is finally set up the way i like it but like you said forking out 3k in extras on a already expensive bike. i plan on keeping mine for the long run. I'm at 3200 miles but i did love my KLX400r while i had it. you could leave it in 1st gear, plant your foot down and the bike would try to push through where the honda would stall. I did eventually relearn how to use the clutch a lot more compared to the "drz" and recently did a AL and NC rally of over 600 miles on the honda. All things considered. i should have kept the KLX400r and never bought the honda

[@johnlee8523]

I bought an RL in 21 as a knee-jerk "I need a bike NOW" thing. I kept it for a year before getting rid of it to lower my payments but I absolutely agree with you, it's a great bike but for the price it could have been better. I'd still like to get another one day but I'll give it time.

[@jimhackney4727]

I always value your opinion and agree with you most of the time, but time will absolutely not make the 450L better, even at half the price. I'll happily stick with my XR400, properly dual sported and adventurized at a total investment of about $6K. The cabled clutch is not an issue at all. The carb works great. Lack of water cooling is not an issue imo. I actually prefer air cooling. Would I prefer electric start? Of course, but it still starts on one to three kicks and the wet weight is 274 lbs. With my mods I think mine is at about 285. As for ergos, I will agree the XR is outdated, but I for one love how it feels and looks. I'm not trying to race motocross anyway. Thanks for everything on your channel.

[@fynn8252]

If you’re happy and the bike does everything you need, why change? Makes life simpler (and cheaper!). You probably memorized every bolt, torque spec and maintenance interval as well!

[@kensmith3665]

I added an estart to my XR400R and did all the Gordon’s and have some nice Dualsport modes and incorporated the XR650L switchgear and some soft saddlebags and redid every mechanical component in a full engine rebuild and one size over bore all OEM parts…. Love it!

[@jimhackney4727]

@@kensmith3665 I have seriously considered doing the estart mod as well. In your opinion, do you think it was worth the cost and time invested? I have also considered possibly finding an EX400 quad to buy for the engine since it already has a starter. There are a couple videos on YT that go into the mod a bit. One of them even gives a specific parts list. Did you use any of these resources? Thanks for any input you can give on this mod.

[@kensmith3665]

@@jimhackney4727 I bought used EX parts and put the EX CRANK AND COUNTERBALENCER Into my XR CASES. Also the left side case, one way starter clutch, alternator and starter etc. The EX ENGINE WONT BOLT RIGHT INTO the XR frame so that’s not an option. Tons of info on ThumperTalk… and on the web generally. I didn’t collate it into a step by step guide and I did all the work myself except for new connecting rod and crank and new bearings install until the cases. Used all OEM GASKETS, seals, bearings etc and it added up to probably $2000 all in… then there is making it a dualsport with horn, blinkers, hi low beam etc and I merged the EX wiring harness, with the Baja dualsport kit and tge XR650L switches and that was a real head scratcher fir sure….. a ton of hours researching and planning but I have what is basically a new XR400 with an estart…. Also had to make up a battery box which was a ton of research and I hired a welder fir that… major Agro but I now have a unicorn! Worth it to me…

[@jimhackney4727]

@@kensmith3665 Excellent job. That is my unicorn too. I already dual sported my XR400, and it turned out nice. It's the second bike I have done it to so it went very well this time. When I bought the bike it was already street legal with a Baja Designs kit, but to be honest it was not installed well at all, and it looked like the BD kit was pretty old. For example the headlight surround was whooped and the rear turn signals were broken at the stalks. And what the hell is up with the BD tail light assembly?! It's ugly and absolutely huge, kind of like a stock XR650L tail light. I stripped it down and revamped it completely. The only things I reused were the voltage regulator and the switch gear. Everything else was purchased individually by me. The first time I dual sported a bike I bought a Tusk kit, which is ok, but I just don't care for some of the components that come in the kit. This time I bought the parts I like. So now it just about perfect for me except for the lack of a starter. Actually it does have a starter... my right foot! I also own an XR650L which I love, but if I want to ride in tight single track, the XR400 is the clear winner. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

[@Seveneleven44]

I just bought my first brand new dual sport. Grew up on a PW80, XR200r, RM 125 & CR250. I bought a used 450 back in 2009. They definitely have their purpose…wrecked that 450. I had considered buying either the 300l or 450r for about 6months. After a long time comparing and contrasting, I bought the 300l, and my reasons were mainly weight, and it’s just easier to ride a 300 than a 450. A 450 is a thorobred race horse to me and I couldn’t justify the 10 grand price tag for what I intend using a dual sport for.

[@ml5955]

Great review. Thanks for the honesty. The bigger MC outlets placate Big Red, and are hesitant to offend (Rocks Mountain MC/ATV: Honda v Husky review).

[@jicakejijicakeji7278]

Raise the “idle” ! Flame outs will go away

[@amirbiscevic8944]

I love that flameout terminology I’ve had it happened to me a few times on my 450 I just didn’t know how to properly word it lol love all your videos which I accidentally stumbled upon your honestly living my life dream I came to the US as a refugee from Bosnia in early 90s as a kid now that I’m a grown man and I have a family of my own my only dream is to ride a dual sport across the United States although right now it’s still just a dream but maybe one day it’ll become a reality

[@stepheneldridge6998]

Good review as ever...and nice drone footage too 👌. I have an XR650R that i briefly thought of trading for the 450...but good sense prevailed!. My T7 takes care of trips, travelling and light off roading and the XR650R is still brilliant for 'proper ' off road stuff. Can you imagine how utterly brilliant an XR650R with fuel injection and electric start would be...come on Honda it's part of your heritage!! Cheers, Steve

[@S_fromm43]

I work as a tech at a dealer. This is 100% a mapping issue. Honda has had a few years of having to rush out product or not put anything out at all for that year. The R and X models got the same treatment. Imo i think the 2k into a ecu, exhaust and tires is worth while to wake this bike up and put it with the like of a ktm or husky 500(i ride the 501 and love it)

[@joshuasterling2144]

12k plus make it yours mods is a lot of money for a product that should be released like that from factory. You can change your ecu map to multiple maps on your phone with a Yamaha and Honda can't get you one good one?

[@S_fromm43]

@Joshua Sterling you could just get a husky or ktm like i did, but it isnt to say that the honda wouldn't also be worth it.

[@tommyd1963ify]

I had a Husky 501 and it had it's own set of problems. I would pick my 450L for what I do, which is a little of everything except track.

[@jicakejijicakeji7278]

I love my 450L!!!!! After the ECU that is…

[@shawnelliott5311]

Rekluse clutch took care of my engine lock ups. I had many slow speed stalls and falls prior to the rekluse installation. I had to many stalls leading to falls in the first time in slow technical terrain. Have not fallen since the rekluse installation.

[@captainamerica9353]

So the install has remedied the falls and stalls?

[@JaeTheobald]

Great video! The DRZ, DR, XR, and KLR are simply unbeatable in value and quality.

[@railduke68]

I had one with all the mods ecu, exhaust, seat, larger tank etc, and sold it as well. It was my least favorite bike of the many I’ve owned.

[@vercos007]

As always Everide, you produce an amazing video, love the presentation, love the voice over, love the content and love the visuals...you should be doing movies mate!

[@JohnnyBoy919]

I'm curious as to what your thoughts would be on a 2021+ crf450rl as they updated Ecu and fuel injection settings along with dropping the msrp. Also would be curious to hear your thoughts on the crf300l.

[@rogerlarson8040]

Too bad you never got an answer to this question. It is the same question i have a year after your post.

[@DroidLocks6971]

Yup That Was Me Today ON My New 2 Day Old XR 150LS . This Thing Is Too Much Fun . I Had More Fun In 1st & 2nd Gear OffRoading Than ON The Highway In 5th Gear . I Never Realized A Low CC 1 Cylinder Bike Could Be So Much Fun .

[@jameswarner8700]

Great review. I'd love to see your review on a CRF300L and a KLX300R. Keep up the great videos, they're awesome.

[@Theonenonlyavery]

Excellent editing! I didn't know my dream job was even a job. I'll be watching more.

[@race8427]

DRZ400 one of the great ones. Owned mine for 20 years of trouble free operation, and sold it for $100 over what I purchased the bike for new. Hoping for similar service on my new Beta.

[@jimoconnor7491]

I bought my stock 450L with 5k miles on it already. I must have missed out on the poor run-in miles. Winning!

[@rw7645]

Two key elements of this review need to be pointed out. The type of riding the reviewer and colleagues are doing and the minimal time many of them gave to owning the bike. But even as I type that I think it the second element circles back to the first. These guys are more 10/90 or 20/80 road/off-road riders with a focus on technical and single track. While the Honda is capable of the riding they are doing, they are likely going to be happier on a Beta. I purchased a 2022 CRF450RL after owning a XT250 and DR650. I’m 50, grew up riding dirt bikes but had all road bikes as an adult until 2 years ago. I would classify myself as a mediocre at best. I traded the XT250 when purchasing the CRF and kept the DR650. I feel I know have the perfect 2 bike combo. I live along the Delaware river on the NJ/PA border and to get to the off road riding which I prefer I have to ride 30 min to an hour on the road. The XT250 was too buzzy on the ride to and from and the suspension could use some help, but was a better bike than its gets credit. I was hoping to solve those two issues plus get more power and overall capability. My first impression on my first ride with the CRF was that I made a mistake for all the common gripes. I added a power commander and throttle tamer and noticed a big improvement in jerkiness and extreme engine braking when backing off the throttle at speed. Basically, the bike gets starved of fuel when throttling off. The CRF is meant to be a dual sport for a 50/50 rider and it nails it IMO. It handles fantastically on the road sections, off road for my ability, it’s amazing. I try to ride one gear up as much as possible and that seems to really help. I don’t even notice the jerky throttle anymore, and it’s gotten less and less as I put miles on. For 90% of riders this is probably a perfect dual sport but probably not the only bike you will want in the stable. My DR is awesome as a daily commuter but when the weekend hits I’m excited to get the CRF out to explore and have fun. The more I ride it the more I like it.

[@FeedYourAR]

Do you ride up in the St Clair/ coal region? …I have a moderately modified ‘19 450L…I live in Eastern Lancaster county …it’d nice to ride with some others/local in that area.

[@stevenbrogna1100]

I’m in stroudsburg. I want to get a dual sport. Ride it in Pike county and back in Glen park

[@dean754]

I totally disagree with your review also. I never had an issue with flame out maybe because it’s an Australian model. I did change to the vortex ecu and full FMF pipe, but only due to opening up to full power and noise. I absolutely love my 450L and would never sell it. It handles solidly and rips my arms out of their sockets. If you want to go desert riding or commuting buy a bigger tank, but it’s ok for what it was designed for. I changed the licence plate holder straight away for a sleek design with back light. The seat is hard , granted but off road I stand up more anyway. It’s a race bike as good as any 450r that I’ve owned and I love the styling and kudos of a street legal dirt bike. I think some novice people buy it and don’t realise it’s an expert focused bike in reality. Comparing a tractor/agricultural like DRZ Suzuki, to a Honda 450L is like comparing Oprah Winfrey to Beyoncé . It’s in a different league gents.

[@matthewolson4963]

Xr 650L, bulletproof, and AWESOME, old school 👍👍

[@daleadmire1451]

Yes, but it’s a heavy pig, dumped mine over a few times and it was all I could do to get it up off the ground. That’s why I’m looking for a lighter KTM or 450 RL.

[@RandomGRK]

I don’t think the video mentions if they upgraded the exhaust system. I’m fairly inexperienced with dual sporting, my only reference is my well equipped DR650 with all the suspension done. My CRF has the vortex and full FMF system and on my first time ever doing singletrack I stalled 4 times. They felt like flameouts but that doesn’t bother me too much because 4 flameouts in 3hrs of riding is ok by me. The trails are 35 minutes from my house and I don’t want to trailer a bike that short distance. I also don’t want to ride a 300 for 22miles there and back. For me, the CRF is exactly what I need.

[@ronsexton3685]

Which bikes do you have now? DR650, CRF450...?

[@RandomGRK]

@@ronsexton3685 Still just those 2. The DR650 I run errands and commute to work sometimes and the CRF450L is my dual sport/Adv bike.

[@ronsexton3685]

@@RandomGRK Went and sat on a CRF450RL. It's kind of tall seat wise and there didn't seem a lot of room between the foot pegs and the seat and so felt like my knees were a bit high. Maybe it's all in my head but the ergonomics felt off for me. 6'1", 33" inseam. The DR650, even without lowering the pegs seems better ergonomics wise to me. How about for you? Am I just imagining it?

[@RandomGRK]

@@ronsexton3685 Yes, the 450 felt off to me but I lowered the pegs and raised the handlebar and now it is reasonably comfortable. Before it felt like my hips were angled up. Im 6ft but with a 31 inseam so shortish legs. The DR has lowered footpegs and raised bars to and it is a lot more comfortable for all day riding but if I know the riding is going to be any tough dirt, even if the ride is long, Ill take the 450.

[@ronsexton3685]

@@RandomGRK So there are options to lower the pegs? Looked but couldn't seem to find any. Where did you find them? For Las Vegas desert roads/trails, and getting to them, which would you prefer?

[@treeafodo1]

I agree with pretty much every point you made other than the cable clutch and air filter wingnut. Personally I enjoy a cable clutch. Cheap and easy to repair should something happen to it, but I also enjoy the feel and modulation from a cable. The wingnut I feel is something that doesn't need to be fancy or overly expensive. It does it's job well in my opinion and is easily removable when needed. It's funny because I bought a 2020 450L brand new in 2020 after having a WR250R for 5 years. Did all the common mods as well as a thermostat delete, chain and rad guards only to sell it because of its maintenance schedule and wanting to commute it. When I sold it I only had 1600km (1000mi) on it and owned it for only 7 months with most it that being our Canadian winter. I traded it in for a street bike and rode that for all of 2021. The street bike was the perfect commuter. Good amount of power, great fuel range, extremely comfortable. I had zero complaints and even did 2 iron butt 14+ hour days on it, but something inside me missed having a dual sport so badly. I actually rebought the exact 450L I owned back from the dealership with all my mods still on it for a great price- much cheaper than I sold it for. It sat on the showroom floor for almost a year unsold. Second time around I absolutely love the bike. I already knew what I was getting into and just had a whole different vibe getting back on it and I have absolutely zero regrets buying it back. I live where you can't street title a bike that didn't come from the factory with a street title so it was basically this or a KTM500 and I couldn't be happier.

[@SteelHorseman]

Good to see you my brother in Christ!!

[@davindersangha3761]

We not sure about some complaints. Seat, tank and maintenance is similar the KTM 450. Almost all premium 450’s are similar. I changed the throttle and did the flywheel and I believe those changes are better than the ECU, swap.

[@bobbyschroeder7068]

Great video as always... I can't wait for the day that I get to ride with you would be a lot of fun. I have a 450L and I agree with some of the things that you say and not but I'm going to conquer the beast regardless. Long as I'm on two wheels I'll be happy. Keep up the good work and the great content. Stay safe out there.

[@dozerjohn]

My boy always delivering the best reviews

[@michaeldavison430]

Came so close to buying one of these and very thankful I found Beta instead. We have one 450l in our group and it's owner is not satisfied with it at all. Sad but accurate review.

[@5tr41ghtGuy]

I have an '06 450x tagged, and with the airbox knockouts removed + jetting kit. No flameout, runs like a scared rabbit. Unless I'm going to ride off road in the mountains, I keep sprockets with 20% taller than stock gearing, which affords 95 mph top speed. Also, the torque reduction takes the edge off of the bike's power delivery, which is a little anxious for casual riding.

[@flattopwill]

There’s a reason the 500EXC and FE501 are known as The Alphas. They’re the highest performance and proven, round the world reliability. I’ll concede they do vibrate like hell though

[@jimbeaver27]

the fuel tank size alone would make it a no no for me, sure you can put on aftermarket then your bike looks aftermarket

[@JCrozier1]

I trust your opinion about dual sports immensely, as should most of the other subscribers here. I've always been interested in the 450l, but that price point. With all the extra struggles you just mentioned, you've cemented my non-interest in it. Thanks so much.

[@gt7500]

After owning a stock 2019 CRF450L for two years now, I can tell you the stalling issue goes away after a long break in. You can also increase the idle speed. The suspension and handling are great on this bike. Also built very well. On the price, it is less expensive than it's competition, by a couple of thousand dollars! The CRF450L and CRF450RL are the same.

[@the.wanderer]

@@gt7500 How can i increase the idle speed? Does stock ECU support?

[@gt7500]

@@the.wanderer Turn the choke knob to increase idle speed. When you turn it a half turn you will hear the engine speed up or slow down, depending on which way you turn it. You only need to increase idle speed 200 rpm.

[@the.wanderer]

@@gt7500 Thanks!!

[@AliasTekTV]

It definitely has its issues. Got mine a year ago, right from Honda as a press review bike. Did a cam swap to the 450RX (it’s not a bolt on swap cam needs milled) IMS tank and 14/50 gearing, seat concepts, zeta guards. I get 58-60 MPG on the highway, no stalling unless it’s really slow stuff. I did all this on the stock ECU and exhaust with the 450x spark arrestor. Quiet and flows. Near 50RWHP. Never selling it. If I want anti stall I’ll get the recluse auto clutch. As for the flameout issue, this isn’t an ECU problem. As you stated in the video, you get a loud crack and the engine kicks backwards on the starter. This is actually the auto decompression mechanism on the camshaft engaging and holding the exhaust valve open during the firing stroke. You can reduce the spring tension and it will reduce the RPM at which it kicks in.

[@brettjohnson1393]

How did you run an RX cam with the stock ecu?

[@AliasTekTV]

@@brettjohnson1393 the bike isn’t as lean as everyone makes it seem. The RX cam also needs the springs from the RX catalog (I did the intake only, the exhaust profile is nearly identical on both cams). You can get the kit from San Diego powerhouse. I did it the DIY way and it did not make it cheaper than just buying the kit, the cam has to be milled to correct bearing spacing. You can skew the IAT sensor to add more fuel. There is a IAT extension for the grom that has the same plugs, you just take three thermistors and splice them in line on the red wire on the extension. There are a few websites that show you how to make them. This will not remove the decel fuel cut. It doesn’t bother me as I don’t do slow stuff. This engine isn’t meant to run slow.

[@brettjohnson1393]

@@AliasTekTV yeah, that San Diego kit is kinda pricey-good to know it’s still the way to go. I would have thought the new cam profile would require an altogether new fuel/ignition map. Pretty cool that it works without it.

[@raypetrocelli595]

I chose the KTM2020 690R & a little pricey but worth it to me & just blows away the competition. I came off the Honda XR650L which was great but Honda never upgraded it so the KTM was my best choice

[@MrBluesmeister]

Never heard so much whining about the L. I love mine. Some points you make are baffling to me others are valid observations. First saying it’s slow is not my experience at all. It goes quicker and faster than 90% of riders can handle. The suspension if properly adjusted can handle pretty much anything I’ve encountered in SoCal whether in the mountains or desert. No DRZ can come close in performance particularly over terrain, maybe on pavement, maybe. I never had the deceleration issue and I’m one who downshifts without the clutch constantly, on the street as well as in the dirt. I had the stalling issue a couple times before I went with the Vortex ecu but only when braking hard with the clutch in. Sniveling about the cable operated clutch is petty. Honda clutches tend to pull easy and are typically bulletproof. It’s a preference thing I guess. Fuel consumption a problem at typically over forty mpg while hauling the mail is not bad. Two gallon tank does suck. My mods: IMS tank, seat concepts seat, a rear rack, bar risers, remove crossbar from the Renthals, Vortex ECU, removed airbox snorkel, X model exhaust system, wrap around hand guards and tires. The exhaust was used because it fits perfect and unlike the FMF and Yoshimura pipes is cal legal. Is lighter than the L pipe and flows better, larger muffler exit opening. Didn’t hurt that it saved me about 6 bills either. It was a take off from an X rider who went after market. Happy Trails

[@jeffromoto874]

I got a test ride on the 450L and a husky FE 501 S the same day. Rode the Honda. Then I rode the husky…SOLD!!! Just like that. Night and day. Here’s a funny tidbit. Was so convinced I wanted the Honda that I bought a red helmet days before lol. Traded that helmet for a shiny white one. Kidding aside, you owe it to yourself to try other bikes (psst that’s what friends are for) ride on!

[@gt7500]

This motorcycle is very "tight" engine and suspension wise until it is broken in. I have 7500 km on mine now and it works well,

[@jeffromoto874]

@@gt7500 awesome! I’m glad you’re loving it. 👍🏻

[@albertamado1447]

I hated the Flame-outs! Tried the Vortex ECU and like others feel it helps but no cure. I added a flywheel weight and now my 20' 450x is like a tractor!

[@leanit5756]

Its got no flywheel. That is the main drive-ability problem, and the reason an aftermarket ECU doesn't do that much to improve matters. The rubber thing on the rear sprocket makes lubing the chain a PITA. The seat is absurdly uncomfortable. But the deal breaker for me, after throwing away the money on after market ECU and full exhaust, was the engine vibrates at what I consider a completely unacceptable level. I have been riding dirt bikes, DP bikes, and street bikes since the mid 70s and I don't think I have ever owned a bike that had more engine vibration. Just ridiculous for DP bike in this day and age. I don't remember ever being happier to sell a motorcycle. Replaced it with a WR250R of all things... and am WAY happier with it. Runs smooth as butter.

[@stephenmitchum5864]

After way,too much$$$$ I gave up and am loving my 100% stock Husq.

[@derweibhai]

Love my XR650r dual sport. Can't figure out why Honda never did it this way from the beginning.

[@dirtsfunner8674]

2002 xr400r. Lost track of the mileage after 100k. Engine is a little tired but I love it. Solid bike. Goes everywhere the kids on their new bikes go just fine. Even carrying my 300 lbs ass around. Btw… I think the cable clutch is better, hydraulic clutches feel more on/off to me

[@mrmicromanager]

I had one for less than a year, I never got the ECU mod but boy did it need it. It was like an angry tractor that only let you drive it as a jet ski - on full throttle or engine braking over the handlebars. There was not a gear or throttle combination that let me drive it on the road at 25 mph in my neighborhood. Where you would normally rest your left hand as you putter around, the fuel cutoff wouldn't allow it. There was no taking your hand off the clutch even for a second because if you twitched at low speed the bike just bucked. That would be fine if I was desert riding at full throttle in top gear but it just never made sense for what I wanted. It did feel planted on the highway at 75 though.

[@impalaSS65]

Usually I thank God for well-off people that buys bikes new and sell them reasonably cheaper. But with the modern bikes like the 450L, there just is nothing to buy regardless of price. Ugly (The Honda looks OK though), heavy, expensive, useless maintenance plan and slow. I'm using '90s and early '00s bikes that weigh a little more than MX-bikes, that are carbed and simple. Cable clutch is fine in my book. Electric starter I'd rather not have to save weight. I might change that tune in 10-20 years when age sets in - but I dont think the WEF alows us to have autonomous bikes (or lives for that matter) then. My TTR600 was OK in a muddy powerline trail where I had to kickstart several times because I'm apparently useless at clutch control.

[@SupRBeeADV]

great info thanks, but i have no dog in this hunt as i am a hillbilly living in the Texas desert who loves his Mighty KLR and Tenere 700.. would still like to own a small lighter of road bike like a TW200 or a WR250 or even the Honda 300 rally

[@Megakoolguy357]

The only modern dual sport bike that even slightly piques my interest is the KTM 690. It shows that they can make a decent middleweight dual sport bike. However, new bikes are absolutely not for me. Maybe one day I'll buy a Panamerica as a commuter bike, but right now I rock a '71 SL100, an '81 CB750, a '94 XR250L, and an '04 XR650L. I rebuilt the top end on the 650 and put another 15,000 miles on it. I probably could have bought a new 650L for the price, but I'm still thousands from a 450L or a 690.

[@doctoroptical952]

I'm gonna second the video. I know 5 people that bought a 450L either brand new or used and they didn't keep it for more than a couple months at most. At its core, the 450L is a de-tuned race bike with a race bike maintenance schedule that handles so-so. I owned a 2017 250L rally that when I put an ohlin's suspension in would eat up trails in spite of its weight. I currently ride a 2021 Africa twin adv which if you're not riding single track is an amazing machine both on road and off road. All that said, good review, good take and hopefully the 450L finds its niche.

[@davidcormier924]

450L is not 2 seperate oils... Maintenance isn't what you think. 20k km on mine and maybe adjusted the valves 2-3 times.

[@gt7500]

,,,another "expert" commentator who hasn't ever rode it!

[@doctoroptical952]

@@gt7500 implying I haven't rode one? Bro you don't need to be a dakar rally podium winner to know its a garbage bike.

[@chasingtrail]

This mirrors my own experience. I purchased a 2019 450L with only 800 miles that had all the mods done, Vortex, exhaust, seat, throttle tamer, 3 gallon tank, etc. I was the 3rd owner. I put 500 miles on it and sold it. It was fast offroad for sure, but it was not fun to ride on the street. Even with the Vortex on the tamest map it was still snatchy, particularly offroad, and very annoying to ride through slow technical sections. I put a stiffer spring on the rear for my dadbod but I could not find a happy medium for the suspension for dual sport use. If I got it feeling good on the street, it was terrible offroad, and vise versa. It sits at a weird spot in the market. It's not cheap, but isn't really a direct competitor with a KTM/Husky. For people coming from more traditional 50/50 dual sport machines it feels too much like a dirt bike. I really wanted to like it more, but it wasn't for me, or the two other people who owned it very briefly before I did. Wonder what owner # it's on now lol?

[@parkcityadvdualsport9525]

Thats because it is a "dirt bike" . It was created for the sole purpose of Honda to continue selling in California. The bikes rip. At heart they are desert bikes.

[@chasingtrail]

@@parkcityadvdualsport9525 Makes sense. When I had the stones to ride it hard in more open sections it felt really good. However, I'm a novice off-road rider and I knew if I continued to ride the bike that way, especially in the areas I ride, I was going to end up hurting myself.

[@EachAdventure]

Great video, Tyler! I like how you pointed out that every bike is going to have it's quirks, but I never realized the flamout issue was that bad on the 450L. Looking through the comments it seems that people have found ways to mitigate the problem, but as you mentioned from a value perspective I wouldn't expect to have those types of issues when spending 11K on a motorcycle.

[@gt7500]

It's not that bad! It actually disappears after break in.

[@chuckmontecillo9620]

Nice video as usual. It's always a pleasure watching your videos. You had me all through out. Right until your conclusion. It just didn't make sense to me. None of you paid full price for the bikes except the first owner of your 450L. So you all got a great deal but still decided it wasn't worth it. I think it's the flame out issue and weird engine braking that really turned you guys off the bike. Do you really think you'd like that bike back if it cost you even less? By that logic, Black Magic would always be the better bike.