Honda e | A Great Electric City Car or Total Disappointment?

[@sxsquare]

I think, for a lot of people including myself, it’s important to have the option to go on a trip a 2-3 hundred kilometers away. I know I like to travel a little more than most people I know, but I don’t think it’s an unusual distance for a weekend trip etc. So, for someone like me, who does like to get away from the city regularly, a car like this is relegated to a second car option. And there’s nothing wrong with that, except at that price, for most families, it’s too expensive for a second car just to drive around town. I recognize this doesn’t apply to everyone, but I also reckon it’s true for a lot of people who would exclude this from their shortlist just because of the range and price.

[@TheCardinal365]

All the bits that made the concept look amazing has been brutally wacked with the 'Bland' stick

[@pauldenney7908]

I think it looks fine and close enough to the concept not to be an issue. However where they have gone wrong is not to do a range of models. If they did one with a single screen, ordinary mirrors, normal lights, etc and it was 20k I think they would sell a lot more. 30k for a low range city car is pushing it a bit. We will see though.

[@delboy4711]

It looks to me as if the brief to the Honda engineers was to design a 'better' BMW i3. Battery size, turning circle, interior space, are all very much like the i3, but gone are the 'Marmite' looks and the suicide doors. The i3 sells well despite its high price, so I see no reason why the Honda should not do so as well.

[@paulgoffin8054]

I think the reason is the i3 is a BMW. And the Honda isn't.

[@manwithcorsae7738]

Price is everything. With that battery it should have at least another 25 miles range. I have a feeling that this could be considered a 'compliance' car. Honda probably feel that they need to be seen to be producing a electric car. Don't forget that they were massively touting hydrogen as the future. We'll have to wait and see what the price is to find out if they really intend to sell battery powered cars. That being said, it really is a good little car. If I lived in a large city I would really want one.

[@octarinepaul]

Still think they missed an opportunity to collab with #Capcom and call it the E Honda #streetfighter

[@Wynaut22]

damn, you're right. I hope they keep making electrics like this.

[@otterylexa4499]

I think it's a great little car, and the range is nothing to worry about in this market segment. The rare long road trips, you can take the hint to relax a bit more. I do find the expected price a little eye-watering, but that's battery prices for you. I'm sure that they will come down in a few years.

[@Scuba72Chris]

Opting to keep the 20" wheels would have been a very bad move but maybe they will offer them as an option for anyone who wants to totally destroy the ride quality of the car. Super low profile tyres may offer slightly sharper steering response but the price in other areas is too high. Spine-shattering ride quality, very expensive tyres and a high chance of buckling the rims if you hit a deep pothole at speed.

[@nigelweir3852]

If 100 miles was the game changer , we would have already had 10% sales , range of 200 miles real world is the bare minimum for most , if you are paying 50% premium from ice equivalent after grant you expect more

[@JohnWrightJnr]

Mrs placed a reservation as soon as she saw the FC test drive episode. I think though we will not go through with it. More likely to get a Model Y and use our Kona as the local runabout with long range capability if required. Current runabout is an e-up with scary low range, but adequate for 5 mile commute or local shopping trips. Longer journeys are possible but planning becomes involved. Would have got a long range model 3 but have a border collie we need to accommodate in the back. Do think like you say the Honda has been toned down designwise and once you've had decent range there's no going back.

[@nollyprasmeger1029]

Over 9,000 people interested in the UK alone! It's already a hit!

[@dcvariousvids8082]

As a city car it’s ok... but every time I travel on motorways, I see tiny city cars. I think it’ll be a niche 2nd car.

[@blackrocket2000]

I know what you mean. When I was working, I had an Audi TT mk2 and often Ups or similar shot passed on the A303. So I downside to Toyota iQ in my retirement. Quite amazed at performance & economy from 1.3 engine, so in comparison my Honda e Advance will be a much bigger car! We don't all need to be driving large SUVs

[@Chappers.Gaming]

I get EVs saying it's only a city car, but if they want us to jump into EVs more they need to give us longer range even if say I use 20 Miles tops a day.. what if I suddenly need to go half way across the UK? But like you said there is a market for it, if it's not for you then it's not for you..

[@Chappers.Gaming]

@tommy aronson you are right, you can't help me, but Elon musk can 😂 I'm keeping an eye on the E208 I think that looks pretty nice hope it's priced Right :/

[@donnolin2032]

For a city car it is incredible. If it is sold in America it would be number one choice. I now drive a 40 kw 2018 Leaf and find it more than enough range for my needs. Why pay for more range than I need? I only drive about 100 miles a week. I hope that it’s a big success for Honda. We need as many different range of electrics as there are ICE cars.

[@blackrocket2000]

Honda's designer has stated that this car (5dr version) was designed before the 3dr Concept car. The hype around the concept car helped to sell the design to Honda management, so it went into production. Personally I wish it was a 3dr, but that's because I love driving 3dr cars with bigger front doors. But hey, I ordered one anyway.

[@peterowen4456]

I'm biased Ryan because I have a huge amount of brand loyalty to Honda but I agree, it will do well. This is one in what will be a range of EVs if you believe what Honda have been saying for some time now on their website. A Civic or CRV type vehicle will be the one to have 250 miles range so there is coherence in that strategy. As a retired (spot the stereotype!) Honda Jazz driver, I note I've done 25 miles in the last week so this would do me very well and the 100 plus range copes with the odd longer trip I do. I've given up commenting on price - one day the £15,000 EV will come but we seem as far away as ever. I can see trendy types in Islington snapping these up.

[@frankowot4]

IMO, far too expensive for what you get compared with the Leaf/Zoe.

[@palmbeachcitizen]

How's that? A 2019 Leaf SL comes in at around $36K. What does the Leaf offer that this Honda doesn't?

[@RWBHere]

@@palmbeachcitizen Battery thermal issues. 😉

[@Thisfutureman]

@@RWBHere can you explain more specific please because i wanted to buy the honda e

[@palmbeachcitizen]

Hi. American here, from Palm Beach County, Florida. I had not seen the concept car before I saw the actual car, so I wasn't disappointed in the difference between the two. (That's why I don't look at concept cars at shows or in the car magazines; the final product is never quite as good). I am very impressed with the new Honda e and would LOVE to have the opportunity to purchase one here in the states. I'm getting ready to buy a Leaf, but I would switch plans to get this amazing little Honda. My other car is an S2000, so I'm well aware of Honda quality. I'm crazy about the side mounted cameras, the multiple screens on the faux wood dash and the rear-wheel drive agility. (I've never been very happy with the torque-steer feeling of front wheel drive cars.). The Honda e does not compare against the Model 3 because it wasn't designed to. Honda is going head-to-head against the Leaf, so as long as the price is the same, they will be very successful with this car.

[@blitzbbffl]

The redesigned production model lost the forward leaning "stance" of the prototype, including the substantial rear haunches. That ruined it for me. The irony is that it is a rear wheel drive platform.

[@Thisfutureman]

Rear wheel drive is good !!

[@Tore_Lund]

This is not a spoiler. A spoiler is there to reduce lift. The one here is a small Kammback intended to reduce drag from rear turbulence. The concept car also had narrower tires. Putting smaller- but wider tires on it hurts range.

[@justinmallaiz4549]

The range in Canada’s winter will be a No Go for most I think... They made a leaf replacement ? Ugh...Half ass attempt imo..too bad it lost the original wheel arches...

[@kab7044]

City car is fine, but people will also drive on trips on weekends and the range is a killer, and I think the price will be 30 plus. I’m looking at getting an EV next year maybe and I want at least a 200 mile range.

[@mootpoint974]

@Chris Parsons. We have a 30kwh Kia Soul Ev with a 130 odd mile range ( around 90 ish in the -5C and below - at the moment in summer we’re getting over 150 miles). We manage happily going to see family and friends 220 and 310 miles respectively. The 200 mile range is a nice idea but not as necessary as most people believe.

[@AdamMacleod83]

I think this car is really going to kick start the EV revolution, drawing in younger people who love the retro vibe.... I just hope the infrastructure is improved!

[@RWBHere]

It's pretty good, but with that range, for a price likely to be somewhere around £30,000, Honda have missed the boat. People are starting to expect a genuine 200 mile range. 200 miles is about right for the busy urban driver who 'refuels' weekly, and who doesn't have home charging capability. Millions of people fit that category. Faster charging stations are still very thin on the ground in many places. Honda cannot ignore that large demographic.

[@junkie2090]

Absolutely.

[@mitchd616]

It's a nice looking car, but the range is nonsense, why all the aero tweaks with mirrors, etc for a "city car" they won't help range at all just adds to the cost. Will we ever see low cost EV's?

[@watcher24601]

I think you made some good points, for a city car the range meets the brief. I'm not sure how many cars stay in the city but that's a different discussion. In an interview with the designers apparently the road model came before the prototype, shame it didn't carry through. To me the prototype was MK1 Golf, the road version is too Lupo. Its too cutesy without the bigger lights and wheels.

[@stevewheatstone1856]

We need to be building cycling and electric bus infrastructure in our cities not expensive city cars, or any cars for that matter. This is way too expensive. If you bought a Dacia Sandero at £7k allowing for 40mpg and tax servicing you could run it for 14 years plus before the Honda E would break even. So a small electric car for wealthy people. I do like the interior.

[@marks-0-0]

I agree with your first point 100%

[@zavierorlos1948]

Range, price and look its just a way for Honda to test the market. Im sure we will get the exact Prototype we saw on exhibitions with a longer range and faster than the normal Honda e. They're probably working on it right now. It would be what the type R for the civic is. Lets wait.

[@peterjenkins8522]

Will be interesting to see how efficient the car is in the real world particularly winter range oh and access via rear doors is pretty tight (sat in it at the preview in London last Friday)

[@alexmeikle1980]

nice car shame about the range

[@richardwaller7721]

I think it looks more consciously stylish than any EV I’ve seen previously and think they’ll carve out a niche amongst city dwellers who’re looking for a premium supermini. In that respect I think going for a smaller battery is a smart move - particularly if it can charge at 100kW. Smaller battery will mean a much lower weight (hence better handling and efficiency/cost) and more rapid charging times. Was in London recently and was struck by the number of Teslas and iPaces I imagine people use as runarounds. Imagine how much more practical the Honda e is going to be (and cheaper). Thanks for another great video Ryan...

[@sheetalshah7436]

If you're looking for a small, funky, urban runabout and range isn't an issue this would be perfect. Problem is the price. If manufacturers believe that there is a market out there for small, short-range EVs then you would've thought that the lack of range would be reflected in the overall cost. We know that the Citigo, Mii etc are due to hit the market with circa 180 miles of range and potentially under £20k. That said I'm sure there are folk out there who will be sold on the aesthetic value of the car and willing to pay for it.

[@LeiChat]

MINI are only putting a 32.6 kWh battery in their new model and it's expected to be £25k after PICG. I do think Honda will need to price their car competitively against the MINI. I could be tempted by the Citigo iV EV but I suspect that will be over £20k, at least until battery prices drop.

[@jamesx2703]

I would consider buying the concept and I hate small cars, but I wouldn't have the released version, it's so far off its basically not the same car

[@jamesx2703]

@tommy aronson I'm obviously not saying build a dashboard without clocks etc, but it's not unheard of to put 19 inch wheels on a hot hatch, large LED headlamps etc. Audi have already done the camera mirrors so they could have got away with most of the exterior without changing it. Interior I'm less bothered about

[@markportch]

It's very nice looking car. But for price paid and for value for your money BUY The new Renault zoe 50 when comes out. AND importantly you got far more range 220+ish Honds e 130ish.,The Zoe 40 has more range than new Honda E..So you can use zoe 50 as city car or on long Trips.

[@justjc51]

The Renault Zoe ZE50 has one big disadvantage and that is that it still relies on air cooling in the battery compartment. Most of the competition have upgraded to liquid cooling. In practice this means that the Renault charges 48% slower than the Peugeot e-208, Opel Corsa-e and Honda e, when plugged into a 100 kW, or faster, CCS charger. The VW ID3 will charge even faster, when plugged into the right charger. For those who can charge at home and do not need to go much further than what a charge can bring them this will not be an issue, however for those who cannot charge at home the difference in fast charge times can make even the Honda e a better choice if the price is the same. That said the Renault Zoe ZE50 looks like a decent EV at a decent price, that can end up keeping its crown as the best selling EV in Europe for a couple of years until the competition gets into gear and delivers enough EVs to fulfill the demand and there is no doubt that the earlier ZOE models will be good cheap EVs buy for those who buy secondhand and don't need more range than they offer.

[@manwithcorsae7738]

@@justjc51 Unlike the Leaf with it's hot battery problems the 'air' cooling for the Zoe comes from a duct to the A/C, so it blows cold, not ambient, air over the batteries.

[@justjc51]

​@@manwithcorsae7738 I agree that the ZOE solution is significantly better than what is found in the LEAF. There is however the clear indication that Renault will limit the ZOE ZE50 charging speed, in comparison with the liquid cooled competitors. An idea of how much it will be limited can be gathered from the press release, where we get the available battery amount 52 kWh, the WLTP range of 242 miles and the information that it can charge 90 miles WLTP in 30 minutes under optimal conditions. We start by finding out how much kWh, in average, that the ZOE needs to go a WLTP mile by dividing the 52 kWh with the 242 miles WLTP range. That gives us the information that driving one WLTP mile takes in average ~0,215 kWh. That means that 90 miles will require around 19,35 kWh to be charged in the 30 minutes, leading us to an average charging speed in ideal conditions of 38,7 kWh, but is likely to be slower in the real world. In comparison the press release from Peugeot claims that their e-208 can charge from 0 % to 80 % on its 47,5 kWh battery in the same 30 minutes, leading us to an average charging speed of up to 76 kWh(80 % of 47,5 kWh is 38 kWh in 30 minutes, making it 76 kWh an hour) under ideal conditions. At chargers limited to 50 kW the difference might be next to nothing. However at the 150 kW charger networks being set up along the highways of Europe the difference will be massive, with the 30 minutes giving you the ability to drive on the highway for 90 minutes in the Peugeot e-208 while the ZOE will go less than half that after its 30 minute charge. That said the ZOE will be a great first EV for most people.

[@RWBHere]

@@justjc51 Not all of the 52 kWh is available to the driver. There will be buffers at the top and bottom of the charge range. Nonetheless, your point is valid.

[@SvikDK]

I think this will be a huge succes. Ask your wife what she thinks. Peoble will pay more for a car that stands out, and this car does in so many ways. I think Honda really nailed it, question is if they can produce enough :)

[@MM-qd4km]

Range is perfectly adequate at this time and the next refresh will miraculously have greater range and charging speed. The easy one for an EV is to increase battery density and charging speed to sell the next MY. Interesting how the perception is that you need several hundred miles for a city car, applying the same logic to a city ICE car would you have a 3litre V8 with 30 gallon fuel tank mini just in case you want to drive on the motorway for 6 hours continuously four times a year.

[@neilbrandon]

Thank for the detailed review.. lots of useful detail.. Just one query.. Is the turning radius 4.3m and circle 8.6m ? that would make more sense? I don't see how it can only be 4.3m... Its great you mentioned the turning circle.. most people don't bother.. its quite important.. such a shame the M3 is 11.8m, and i-pace just under 12m.. Model S is 11.4m. e-niro and kona electric 10.6m.

I have to agree with you. Very nice car for the city and around. Should sell very well!

[@paulhudson4254]

Want electric cars to really “take off” ? Make an EV on a par with the original VW Beetle or Ford Mustang! A solid car that just won’t die, affordable not loaded with “extras” to drive the price up. After your first EV experience then go buy a Tesla...

[@blackrocket2000]

Paul Hudson Of course now Ford have caught up - an electric Mustang for £40k - that's aggresive pricing that must have Nissan worried

[@dizzypeasant1632]

I'm with you on the styling changes. I absolutely loved the original concept and I've been staring at the production model wondering how they managed to make it look like a 1990s Micra whilst still sort of looking like the original. Strange and rather disappointing. One small point, the 4.3 metre turning is the radius not the circle. So still pretty impressive but not quite as good as a Triumph Herald :)

[@nico_pleaj]

Not really a fan of the price. Corsa e is in the same price range with way more miles. If they could've given it a larger battery, it would've won more people over

[@LeiChat]

When we compare ICE cars few of us look at the size of the petrol tank. Unfortunately that seems to the focus with EV cars though. I wouldn't pick between two ICE hatchbacks because one has a slightly larger fuel tank. Consider why an Audi A1 is almost twice the price of a Skoda Fabia with many of the same components. Is it just the badge that people are happy (or stupid enough) to pay a premium for? Is that true of Honda versa Vauxhall? Do Honda invest more in R&D than rivals? Will the Honda e actually be a better car than the Corsa E and e208, despite the smaller battery/range?

[@junkie2090]

I have a zoe ze40. I would have snapped this up if the range was roughly the same because it's so quirky and different and I can't afford a Tesla. But I can't halve my range for the sake of looks. I don't charge at home. I charge at my in laws twice a week and the 100 miles wouldn't last me in the valleys of South Wales. I'm not the demographic Honda were looking for but I'm totally in love with it and am so disappointed that all of the smaller EVs that are being released just don't have the ranges of the Zoe or the Leaf. At some point they need to stop just targeting the cities. I know the infrastructure is better but without investment in towns and a little more rural the revolution isn't going to take off. Fingers crossed for a bigger range in future models. I'd snap one up.

[@ndiggadee2663]

All these EVs are like 20k plus price point meanwhile a petrol Dacia sandero 7.5k you do the maths

[@EVOpinion]

N diggadee you can’t compare a Dacia with anything, let alone an EV. They are incredibly basic. That said I save about £6000 in fuel every 50000 miles I drive in my Leaf so you can see how much you can save 😁👍

[@RWBHere]

@@EVOpinion I'm waiting for an 'incredibly basic' EV with a genuine 200 mile range. The frills are mostly unimportant, if you only want something reasonably well-made and comfortable enough for journeys. Even a Dacia EV at £7.5k looks unlikely in the near future.

[@ndiggadee2663]

It reminds me of when anything first comes out the cashing in idea. I got caught out to many times plasmas, phones etc I really want a ev but want to buy at the right time/price point. I think the next couple of years the rest of the manufacturers will join in then eventually the market place will have more choice and hopefully deals

[@MarcoPon]

A nice thing about having a standard 230/1.5kW outlet in an EV is that you can use it to slowly charge another EV, if needed. In a couple hours you can easily give 10-15KMs of range. Not much, but may be enough to reach home, or a nearby charging station. Can spare a call to road assistance: just ring a friend, pay a beer, chat, done.

[@mach3reached]

This E is typical case of a cool concept car going to production. Urban EV had great proportions, looked wide and low, sharp edges, just really cool! This E looks like a car for a girl, so rounded, looks kinda cute, but nothing like Urban EV. If you say these car are the same, you are blind.

[@michellepotter6224]

as someone who can't afford two cars and needs mine to be able to do at least 250 miles say about 12 times a year this would not be for me, I could see it working as a second car for the city as intended but if it's your only car it's to much of a handicap, I would have to hire a rent car many times a year.

[@EVOpinion]

Michelle Potter I’m in the same boat as you but I’m sure it will be ideal for a lot of people 😁👍

[@rickwookie]

It can do 250 miles. You just need a 25 minute rapid charge break mid journey.

[@quackhouseproductions5572]

Well, you say you don’t think they intended to make it but they actually made the concept after the final product. A bit of a marketing gimmick

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Give it six months or so and there will be a raft of these ‘city’ cars available, the toys are very nice but I don’t live in a car I would use this as an A to B vehicle so it’s all about the range and the price. So long as it comes in under £20k fully speced then fair enough otherwise the Renault Zoe fills this spot really well

[@xcx23cwea65]

I WAS LIKE YOU TOO, BEFORE AND AFTER FROM THE CONCEPT TO PRODUCTION, THEY LOOK DIFFERENT. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TOO, BUT I FOUND OUT THAT THE PRODUCTION CAR IS IN FACT THE ORIGINAL CAR. HONDA MADE THE ORIGINAL HONDA E BEFORE THE CONCEPT CAR. IN OTHER WORDS THE CONCEPT WAS JUST TO GET YOU HOOKED, AND IT WORKED. VERY SMART AND RISKY MARKETING TACTIC BY HONDA.

[@DopeyDalek]

That car might be a bit small for me. I was hoping that Honda would make the sports ev that they revealed at the same time.

[@robertpryor7225]

Range is ok Range/price equation - not so good Looks great, looks fun, but that's secondary, otherwise they wouldn't have to do cheap lease on Fiat 500e. It doesn't look like this is for US market, they will only pay so much for a small car regardless. If they could cut frills and cut price by 3K$ it could be a hit, but battery prices... It doesn't fit with current strategy of trying to power through range anxiety with 300 mile range.

[@kelvynbettridge]

We can call them city cars but I would think urban dwellers only have a car so they can leave the city. Range will remain an issue as long as battery production remains an issue.

[@meersde]

pretty attractive bev, congrats to Honda. But if you want to use it in a bev-unfriendly environment (like germany) i hope the range is going to be increased in a coming soon improvement. Would buy it immediately if it has range of 300km. Why? 200km under optimal conditions means in winter only 100km. That will not fit to my needs. The price is not the problem.

[@vampireechidna]

Another enjoyable video. My opinion is simple. I want one! Not keen on the two tone colour, but if one can get it in one colour then I'm sold.

[@melvinm5994]

I was super excited about the concept look... They ruined it...

[@farnarcle]

Just thinking about range. Why couldn’t a trailer be made available for rent with range extending batteries. When you need to go on a long trip you could rent the trailer and just use the shorter range vehicles for the rest of the year. There’s a business model for someone!

[@tomnicholas5565]

I love the design of this; both inside and out! But at that price tag.... it is high and I know it’s designed for urban but the range is not fantastic. Where I can see a great use for this in the uk is for things like estate agents where at the moment you see a lot of either Audi A1’s or an equivalent, the Honda e would be perfect. It’s the right size. The right environment and can do the right amount of miles!

[@glennmckenzie1096]

Honda said that they based the show car on their plans (already underway) for the Urban EV. The Uban came first - the show car was just to tease interest - highly successfully.

[@13thCP]

The concept tail lights were better but I wasn't fond of the concept wheels. They were smaller on the production car due to efficiency more than likely. I love the finished product 😍

[@NAY2GAS]

The front grille change bothers me a bit. But I still like it. I’d buy one.

[@johntheaccountant5594]

125 miles is enough ; 50 miles there and 50 miles back is enough for 95% of journies to work and for a family.

[@o751106]

I’m sure it will not get 120 miles of range in the winter. This is a shame. Perfect car, terrible range capabilities.

[@Jonathan-mk1ju]

Motorcycle and cyclists killer with that turning circle.

[@and1111000]

Be great if the buyer had a choice of the battery size. A working sunroof would be an amazing option too. Well done Honda. A great review too.

[@TassieEV]

Do you know if that battery size you stated is net or gross? I'm looking at my 28kWh in my Ioniq or the new Ioniq at 38kWh net batteries with longer range as I can get 220+km with the 28kWh though just watched a vid where someone hypermiled their Ioniq to 365km. The range seems low for that battery size is all.

[@justjc51]

The Hyundai IONIQ EV is one of the most efficient EVs out there, while the Honda is more design than efficiency. The high efficiency of the IONIQ has been shown before, like when Bjørn Nyland compared the 28 kWh version with the 40 kWh Nissan LEAF in kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZuWfqaJbrJmmqc

[@tonypower9315]

And it costs an arm and a leg.....30k for a match box....woooooo! Tkt .....it's half a tesla model 3 .....but not half the price......what a suprise!

[@LeiChat]

It is not half the size. It is not half the tech. It is not half as good looking. It may be half the range of a Tesla Model 3 but I doubt it's aiming at the same customers as Tesla so comparing it with one is rather a waste of time.

[@ram64man]

My own only complain is the really really small pack for an ev made in 2020, it really should be 50+ kw an ev with 2015 range just will not sell well or get people to convert unless you drive less than 80 miles a day

[@kuldippanesar590]

Very reminiscent of the mini 1275gt ...agree with lost abit of appeal from concept car but still a well sorted car probably gonna be nearer 30k this is a niche market car that's gonna sell buckets loads plus any ev's are positive ...nice vid.

[@johnguarino6891]

Great job on the video. Looking forward to seeing the car on the road

[@EVOpinion]

john guarino thank you. Me too. It should be really nice.

[@upnorthviking823]

Wish it comes to canada i would buy one

[@paulgoffin8054]

Range is fine for a city car. The price isn't.

[@paulgoffin8054]

The new MG EZ EV clearly isn't the same "quality" but even without the incredible launch offer, at £27K for the "fully loaded" version, is such a better offering. (Full 5 seats for adults, all the "toys", 44kWh battery, etc.) (It's just a bit "cheap" looking inside. Like Tesla, and most US cars.)

[@sporkeh90]

A 200$ dollar android phone has a fine price, yet a LOT of people spend 1000$ on their phone. Same deal with this car, you buy it because it appeals to you not because its a good deal. Still cheap as fuck tho at sub 40k euros

[@dlittlester]

It may not be for everybody, but it would be perfect for me. I seldom leave town, and if I do, it's just a few kilometres. Maybe I'll do 5,000 KMs in a year. Keep in mind a smaller battery takes less time to charge as well. Actually, an i-Miev would have suited me well. They're no longer available here, and I couldn't afford one anyway.

[@christill]

I think the wheels are great. They look efficient, comfortable and easy to clean. If it was up to me, I’d make the rear lights square like the original and maybe remove the spoiler. The front lights I think look good. Maybe if you could add those 2 lines in the middle then do that, but they’re good as they are. The car I think is great. It’s a little small for some (almost 4m though so that’s not really even a city car) but it will be more than enough for many people. And it’s a 5 door in production spec. The turning circle is even tighter than my Smart ForTwo. I’m not sure how they did that. The power is ridiculous for a car like that. About double the power of my Smart EQ’s motor. Which seems unnecessary since mine already feels nippy. And the range and charging speed are more than an original Leaf by quite a bit, and people coped with Leafs just fine back then, and still do. (Especially now that we have a huge amount more public charging). And if this thing can charge at 100kw that’s pretty crazy.

[@shamicentertainment1262]

I much prefer the new versions style. I'd buy it second hand in 5 or so years

[@qufbrj1978]

Like what I see so far. Unfortunately there is no confirmation that the HondaE will be available for the North American market.....sad!!

[@AdamCiernicki]

Niche = green wash , if Honda really wanted to go electric they would launch Civic

[@EVOpinion]

Adam Ciernicki they say they have more to come. The civic would be the ultimate way to show their commitment 👍

[@noeldillabough2153]

This car has absolutely no chance in North America, I was wondering what a Euro-centric opinion would be. Seems like an ok car but the price seems too high IMO. Beats my 42 point turn on my truck lol (slight exaggeration :)

[@justjc51]

Most Europeans would probably agree, that it is an interesting car that is priced slightly higher than they wanted it to be. I am however in no doubt that there is a market for it among the wealthy young people living in urban settings, where its small size and turn circle makes it a car that makes it easy and fun to get from a to b and find a parking spot near the destination, where a bigger car like the Tesla Model 3 will struggle to do the same in some European cities.

[@t43562]

People buy a lot of ICE cars that I wouldn't so there are all sorts of needs. Honda probably can't make an infinite supply of them anyhow so there's a limit to the success and that means they have to get the best price they can. I think that people who are considering EVs are perhaps the wrong customers for this car. Quite a lot seem to be thinking about how nice it would be to reduce their fuel bill and that might be because they are long distance travellers. It's at least possible that the target for this kind of EV won't be hung up on range, will like a car that is easy to drive and park and will find that the looks give them a thrill and impress their friends.

[@blackrocket2000]

Ok, this was July 2019 close to when I first saw the prototype at The Design Museum (I was first in to see). Reserved mine back in May and placed my order late September. Aware this is a “City Car” with limited range, but I’m retired, often just me in the car and my local journeys are not far. I can often use my eBike. So I am glad the Honda e does not have a large, heavy, expensive battery. Like my phone, Fitbit, Trek ebike etc. I will normally charge my Honda e at home on 100% green electric and just enjoy driving it. I live in a rural area in Wiltshire, and expect the drive performance to be lively, responsive, and great fun. Can you remember your early Mini, or your Peugeot 205 GTI. Those were the days. Why would anyone drive with a “full tank” and a boot load of jerricans, just to nip down to the local shops in the rain.

[@firstnamesecondname5341]

Wait to drive it before knocking it, the Honda E is going to punch well above it weight

[@EVOpinion]

First Name Second Name I hope so. I’m really looking forward to driving it 👍

[@blackrocket2000]

I agree. The launch car is the Advance version, with a more powerful motor. It will be quick and nimble, not weighed down with bigger batteries than we need. Most of us don't travel very far each day, so range is ok. What all EV drivers want (and need) is a reliable network of powerful Rapid Charge points that work 100% of the time.

[@whocares264]

range is everything..... bigger batteries last longer and are more reliable and of course go further

[@philipbatty]

I think it looks great and will sell really well

[@keithw32123]

Great drone shot fly away at 10:22. Where is that?

[@e.rivera4251]

This is Excellent..the future is now. ...i look the comments down there crying and complaining.....RANGE ? ..I drive 20 miles everyday back and forth my job site ...do i need 100 miles range..NO...to go to waltmart, publix,or a doctor appointment.....nope....... It is a retro-futuristic style.really nice..................so sad people can not afford a 25k $$$ but are willing to pay $800.00 for a smart phone. Maybe you should go back to school or get another job.....

[@redmusichouse]

Good Fight! Oh sorry, that’s E Honda.

[@Aswornbyshade]

supergroove goddamn why isn’t this comment pinned or getting a barrage of likes. Looks like a bunch of street fighter unappreciative bunch on here.

[@holdontoyourwig]

Just been on Justevs website but there is no information about renting.

[@nightfallfade]

It looks fantastic and better than the concept car imo. I believe Honda has quoted a range of 125 miles minimum. That's approx 4 miles per kw and I'd have thought somewhere between 5 and 6 miles per kw would be possible in a small car like that. Also, for me, speed of charge is more important than outright range, so that a 200 mile trip with a 30 minute coffee/charge stop would be a doddle. I'll have one in white.

[@EVOpinion]

Andrew Barke I agree. I’d love a longer range but reality’s I hardly do more than 100 miles in a day.

[@robsengahay5614]

Trouble with city cars for city dwellers is charging. No garage, no driveway or off-street parking so no home-charging.

[@b4bluey]

It`s x 76 miles just to get to my work, never mind any running around and getting back home, so it`ll be no good for people like me, and to be honest, I think your right in saying they should have kept the design, as I think this one is a Boring looker !! especially when you could get a Hyundai Kona that`ll do 400 + for around the same price ??

[@LeiChat]

We need to wait for the official pricing. I'm optimistic it will not be "around the same price". The 64 kWh Kona is 280 miles WLTP and £35k after the PICG. The Kona has a battery almost double the size of the Honda which has a WLTP of 125 miles. The Kona has a cramped interior despite it's SUV size. We were keen till we took one for a test drive and even if we had liked it, the year waiting list is rather off-putting.

[@paulocarvalho5958]

Hi, I make every day at least 80Km per day. On holiday, I usualy like to go from Lisbon to Algarve wich means at least 350 Km on highway. Making that trip at 120km/h the car, for me, must have an autonomy of 300 km at 120km/h on a highway. Conclusion: not many EVs suits me. And with a price below 35 000€, I don't find anything in Portugal. So I have to stay with a diesel car. My bad... :(

[@railwaymanjohn4721]

I think it will be too expensive if Honda price it in the high £20K band. I drive a Smart ForFour EQ, Hasn't got the range of the Honda (90 Miles in eco mode if you believe the guessometer ), but it's great to drive with a good turning circle, is ideal for pottering around town or running to Waltham Abbey (10 Miles) where I am a volunteer for a charity, it charges in 6 hours on a 13 amp plug and cost £18K. So I think Honda needs to think of a sub £20K price.

[@EVOpinion]

Railwayman John someone needs to make a basic EV. No bells and whistles for under £15k. I drove a Smart FourTwo recently. I had great fun around the city 👍

[@mynewschannel3100]

They should have used the 2007 Honda Civic, a design ahead of its time. It would have been a Renault Zoe beater.

[@richardteychenne3950]

Great looking city car I just feel it fails as a commuter car as such a limited range means most people will have to top up the battery every day. 20% more range and you would have an easy commuter car which you only had to fill every 2 or 3 days so home charging and no need to ever go to a garage / charge point. As someone who loves ev's it wouldn't worry me but will this convince more than 20% - 30% of today's drivers to consider swapping. That little bit more and you might pass 50% then the world would change quickly.

[@jameschapman4824]

Hi Ryan IMHO I think that outside of Asia this car will have limited success. There will be some who have the money to buy it as a novelty car but in the main not many people can afford to buy such a high price car as just a run around.

[@LeiChat]

Why is it a "run around"? How often do you go for a 125 mile joy ride?

[@jameschapman4824]

@@LeiChat I said that because all the reports I've read said that it would be a great second car, well to me a second car is a 'run around' as it's not the first choice of transport. If you don't agree....Fine that is your opinion the same as my statement is mine.

[@dietollezeit]

I would buy the concept just for its looks. The production model is a huge stylistic disappointment not worth my money. I might not be their target buyer after all.

[@LeiChat]

If you haven't already I would definitely recommend watching this video as the designers of the car reveal some interesting stuff. Especially the part about the current "prototype" version existing BEFORE the concept car. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5enZ2qBeKurp6s&t=1609 I am curious what else is in the front, as the car is rear motor, it would have been nice to have a "frunk", even a small one as the boot space is quite limited. The range doesn't bother me at all. I'm super keen on this car. Just hope it's priced as aggressively as you are speculating in your video.

[@LeiChat]

Sharing because you talk about the stuff they took away from the concept when it sounds like in reality that the concept was an exaggerated version of their existing design/prototype.

[@nigelweir3852]

Retro inside with a great screen , future I think

[@2001jadenable]

The concept car was based of the Honda e which is why they're so similar

[@grahambeaumont3590]

Hi Ryan, I believe the new E Mini to be a better buy and will sell much better.

[@EVOpinion]

Graham Beaumont it will be interesting to see. There is a lot of criticism of the Mini because they have uses old tech. It shouldn’t matter if it works well.

[@ndiggadee2663]

I love it shame its going to be far too overpriced otherwise I would buy my wife one