Honda Talon Front driveshaft/driveline/propeller replacement. 1000R 1000X how to

Front driveline driveshaft propeller replacement.

[@ronniebowling1485]

Didn't have a breakdown, but had 1 u joint get dry and start popping when in 4 whldrive(2300 miles/east TN moutains/mud/rocks/road miles). So glad this video was still out there,best one and it helped tremendously.

[@Titantramp4u]

I just bought a new 2019 Turbo 4S, but if Honda had offered a competing model I would given it a good looking at. I've had Honda off road stuff all my life and think they make a great product. I do agree the DCE is MILES ahead of the belt system used by everyone else (except Yamaha) and think in the future the HP wars will require something like that instead of the belt. Thanks for sharing your video.

[@gravesru]

Titantramp4u There are pros and cons to each make. The talon with the turbo kit puts out 150-155whp, far more than anything Polaris makes. The canam with 195crank HP is in the 150whp range as well. The cvt fro Polaris & canam looses about 30% hp from the crank to the wheels and the talon losses about 13%. That’s a huge difference, but nobody looks at whp, only crank hp and that’s very deceiving.

[@Titantramp4u]

I agree with the HP, but is an aftermarket kit that needs to be installed and HP wasn't the only issue for me. The Turbo S comes with not only factory 32" tires, but all the suspension, drivetrain, clutch, and brake up grades which again would have to be bought and installed, and finally I'm a pure desert guy here in Southern California and liked the stability of the 72" width.... None of this makes the Honda any less, but none of this is offered on the Honda....yet :)

[@gravesru]

Titantramp4u Very true. That’s one big disadvantage with Honda. There isn’t a huge variety like Polaris. Honda is like, here, chose a pioneer or talon. I have $40k Into my talon with me installing everything, I couldn’t imagine if I had to pay for all the installs. So there’s some definite advantages to the Polaris side. I do use 28’s on the track, so either way I need two sets of tires & wheels.

[@user-se5zz3yj9c]

Honest vids as always👍 Just brought my Talon R back to dealer with a case claim. Bought at the end of September and just reached 176 miles on it. At 80 miles I heard the most awful non-engagement and grind for a few seconds in 4Low. Stopped and went to neutral...then to 4high and all was well. Short 15 min trip home...check of fluids and yup...sub-Tran fluid was low...a quick view on KZbin and saw this was common from “factory” and commonly not addressed from “dealers”. Immediately went to dealer...made them aware and purchased all the 100 mile break in components and performed the service. Due to work schedules haven’t been on a long ride yet...only the short rips and 20-40 min therapy sessions..did the same non-engagement/ grind around 120 miles...same thing..stopped and went to high..manual back to low...repeated at the same thing at around 175 miles..hence she’s going back...will keep you posted. I love the Rig...just for no more use than this Rig has gotten...don’t wanna be that guy with with that one...and while I’m in time and miles gonna make the look hard and build my confidence. I know your prepping your Rig for a long Adventure man..so first question is if you have looked into the end caps and nitrogen fill on the Fox shocks...there has been a lot of attention brought to the leak down and I swear my driver front is low low...is this something you will be looking into before you head out. And as always looking for your turbo updates? Thanks again and best of luck on your Rig!

[@gravesru]

Darren Cross Sorry to heat about your trouble! I haven’t had any trouble with the sub transmission at all! I have been so rough on my Talon, I’m very surprised I haven’t had more breakdowns! I do like the idea of the nitrogen in the shocks and to be able to measure the pressure. I’m also looking into fox live shock upgrade.

[@user-se5zz3yj9c]

Honda Talon Owner Hey Dude....can’t wait till I see the Turbo update...looks like soon!! Get my Talon back tomorrow...gotta give American Honda Power-sports props for the professionalism in the manner of handling my issue. Contacted me, and the dealer. They offered Tech assistance, formed me a Case#, had them scope out the Sub-Transmission to make sure there was no internal damage. They determined the linkage was just right at the minimum of engagement in 4 low and adjusted it. They assure me the issue is resolved. I hope it’s happy trails for all...and am enquiring as to how to place the Turbo order when I go there tomorrow 👍

[@gravesru]

Darren Cross I’m glad they’re taking care of you! You can place the turbo order with your Honda dealership or directly from Jackson Racing. I’d start with Jackson Racing website because they might not charge you sales tax depending on what state you’re in!

[@user-se5zz3yj9c]

Honda Talon Owner I just caught that and loading the site now lol..Cheers from The Kenai Peninsula in Alaska man👊

[@gravesru]

Darren Cross Cool! I worked near Healy back in the 90’s!

[@DonziGT230]

I've read of others having this problem. I'm tempted to tack weld my caps in place.

[@thomasmackay9264]

Red death lock tight ????

[@gravesru]

Many have this problem.

[@thomasmackay9264]

I’ll be following you just bought talon x 🙏 I don’t have to many problems !! I’m 74 ! mostly back dirt roads wife and I exploring ! No sand no rock climbing no jumping !! 🤞

[@gravesru]

I put 7k miles on my talon after I put different tires on it without a problem. 32x9.5 all the way around. If you measure the factory tires, they are different heights from front to rear even though they are all 28’s. I think that’s causing the ujoint problem.

[@ronniebowling6192]

Have been and will continue to watch your videos,very Informative. Waiting on my dealership to reopen(closed due to pandemic)so I can go pick up my new 2020,which was ordered from south carolina and delivered,then owner decided to close shop till 1st of may.

[@gravesru]

Ronnie Bowling Thanks for watching!! My next video will be the one year review. I just had a second u joint fail 600 miles after it was replaced.

[@terrysnider266]

My rear u joint cap came out at 206 miles. If your yolk isn't damaged you can put a u joint in . Here are two to choose from. Spicer 5-170 or Neapco 1-0170NPL

[@mikec.1331]

I have a 2020 talon x. A cap came off the front of my driveshaft at only 300miles. Insted of taking all the clips out for the floor i took the skid plate off the bottom and worked from the underneath. Took about 2hrs total to replace.

[@gravesru]

Mike Coombs That sounds good. Did you use aftermarket u joints? I had another u joint go out again since I made this video

[@mikec.1331]

@@gravesru i actually used a u joint from a rzr 1000 turbo. My friend had a new 1 so being curious we measured and compared and sure enough they was identical. Im not sure what brand the new 1 was but i know it wasnt polaris.

[@gravesru]

Mike Coombs interesting. The Napa 338 u joint should fit as well

[@thatfreeamericantv923]

Good video dude. Mine just did this at 387 miles. Opting to do the repair myself. Don’t feel it’s necessary to have to wait 7 weeks for warranty work. All local dealers are booked out like crazy !

[@gravesru]

ThatFreeAmericanTV it is an easy fix. Are you getting the Napa 338 ujoint of a driveline from Honda?

[@thatfreeamericantv923]

Honda Talon Turbo Owner I needed up finding a dealer an hour away that said they could get me right in. I was scared to order that 338 u joint because I have a place in my area called shaft masters and they do all custom drive shafts and work like that. He told me not to try it because those would not fit exactly how the ones factory do and that I would have more future issues. I also asked him if he could make me something completely bulletproof and custom he said he could but it would be very pricy so I opted for the warranty repair myself. Those press in caps are junk. They’re suppose to last for ever supposedly. Well nothing lasts for ever lol.

[@gravesru]

ThatFreeAmericanTV I think you made the right decision, I did the same thing, replaced everything under warranty

[@steves3688]

looking at the clip issue on these ujoints might be a good idea for owners to go and put jb weld or similar on the clip/cap just to keep clip from coming off...if its an internal clip or pressed then jb weld should still help on the cap portion...I bet these ujoints can be replaced...honda crv drive shafts have the same non replacement issue but there are ujoints that can be replaced on them if someone pursues that..

[@gravesru]

steve sabd I have a 5 year warranty, so I’m not too worried about it. Plus, they’re not very expensive

[@nitrotmann]

Do you have any pictures or video of the front floor plate, with the big foot rest on its left? I want to make that foot rest as flat as possible. Thanks, great video.

[@gravesru]

nitrotmann Everything i have is in the video. Sorry. Thanks for watching!

[@nitrotmann]

@@gravesru was there a cage bar under it, if you can remember? I really do appreciate it. Hopefully I'll be picking up a 1000 x4 in the next couple months.

[@gravesru]

nitrotmann yes, there is one!

[@DUNEATV]

My friend is having trouble with his front differential. Wonder if he has the same problem...

[@gravesru]

DUNE YXZ It’s easy to tell if it’s the ujoint. Drive 5mph, look down at the draft shaft through the gear shifter opening. Mine was wobbling.

[@DUNEATV]

Honda Talon Owner Ok, his is leaking front differential fluid also. Has less than 100 miles...

[@gravesru]

DUNE YXZ sounds like the seal between the differential & I-4wd clutch is leaking. Where’s it leaking from?

[@codyg1662]

Somebody will find a part to cross them with or a company will start buildin them with better joints just like the rzrs. The aftermarket side of talons is just starting rzrs have been around for a long time so I feel like the talons have a lot in store for the future hope to have one soon bein a previous xp1k owner

[@bluecollarfamilyfox2380]

Why didn't you put in new u joint's? Instead of a hole new drive shaft. Seems like it would be much cheaper.

[@gravesru]

Blue Collar Family Fox it’s free under warranty.

[@danmize5106]

Any tips on getting the diff to slide forward? Mine wants to move up and down but not forward... even with the wheels off.

[@gravesru]

Do you have all wires disconnected? Like the speed sensor?

[@danmize5106]

@@gravesru nope. Didn't think of that..moves pretty easy after that? thanks.

[@gravesru]

@@danmize5106 once I disconnected everything, I used a small pry bar to push it forward. If I remember right, the front of the diff had to be slightly lifted as it was pried forward

[@mikepeak4591]

My Talon had the same failure, circlips on the u-joint caps are on the inside of the yoke,Honda has had issues with the clips coming off, then the cap comes out, my Talon had 1024 miles, under warranty.

[@gravesru]

mike peak Wow! I thought mine was broken because of how hard I’ve driven it! Mine is under warranty too, for 5yrs.

[@RogersRaceReady]

Could this happen on the Honda pioneer?

[@mikepeak4591]

@@RogersRaceReady anything is possible, I have almost 3k miles now with no other issues

[@robertgutierrez9519]

Do you drive in 4wd a lot? How many miles do you have? And you do you jump the machine?

[@gravesru]

Robert Gutierrez I have 2700 miles, about half in 4wd. I do jump it. Keep in mind that the front drive shaft always turns, even in 2wd. I do jump it often.

[@viewer242]

Thanks so much for sharing this info!

[@gravesru]

Thanks for watching!!!

[@RayAntasek]

How did you get the driver side flooring out with the seat flooring still in place?

[@gravesru]

Ray Antasek - NM6R it was a pain, but I was able to pull it out

[@bretttrask454]

What did you use to spread the retaining clip in the diff?

[@gravesru]

Snap ring pliers.

[@aw8one]

Did I miss hear something? Why do you think you would have gone through so many belts on a rzr?

[@gravesru]

Robert Hendrickson When I ride with Polaris and canams, they have went through numerous belts while riding with me. For example, I pulled a tacoma 6 miles with my talon, up and down hills. A belt would not survive that. There’s obviously advantages to a cvt and a dct, but I definitely prefer a dct mostly for reliability and only losing 12% of HP from the crank to the wheels. Most cvt’s lose 20-30% hp from the crank to wheels.

[@aw8one]

Honda Talon Turbo Owner have a thousand miles on my rzr. Lots of dunes and full throttle and no belt issues yet. But yeah definitely wouldn’t want to tow a car with it.

[@gravesru]

Robert Hendrickson It’s like any vehicle, it depends on how you drive and maintain it. Polaris is notorious for clutch issues and many just cough up the $1400 and go for an aftermarket one. That seems to help as well.

[@okatexoffroad1813]

If anyone has a tip for a 4 seat I'd appreciate it. Mine has a carrier bearing of some sort. The front shaft won't separate from the bearing. Kinda stalled out on it

[@gravesru]

I haven’t work on the 4 seater driveline yet and I’m not near the service manual to look it up for you. 850 miles from home/service manual. Sorry

[@okatexoffroad1813]

All good brother. I finally got it out. Had to remove the whole drive shaft. Put in a vice. Finally got the retainer clip to break free. After some good yanks.

[@randyrawls7563]

Where did you buy your driveshaft? I’m having trouble finding the right one for my talon.

[@gravesru]

I always keep a spare. I bought it off of partzilla. I’ve drove 7k miles since I replaced it last time.

[@randyrawls7563]

Alright thanks I appreciate it 🤘🏻

[@gravesru]

@@randyrawls7563 sorry for the slow reply. KZbin doesn’t give me notifications so I have to look for questions manually!

[@CoyoteCrimeLord]

Seems like a tack weld on each would go a long way.

[@gravesru]

Or tack the retaining clip

[@tomcross4981]

A RZR would be through every bearing and u-joint @2700miles and a handful of drive belts LOL

[@gravesru]

tom cross I agree, especially how I drive it!!!

[@izom]

...NO - but depends on rider...

[@dennisgolding6607]

I've been riding Polaris is forever if you would have gone through 8 belts in 2700 miles you need to think about how you are treating your machine

[@gravesru]

Not everybody drives the same way. I’ve seen people go through two in one day, especially when you have 300hp

[@joegallo6447]

Good job man..

[@gravesru]

Thanks

[@1gr8oil]

Do you have any idea as to why the joint failed with only a few miles on the machine?

[@gravesru]

wayne owen Not exactly sure why it failed, the ujoints are pressed in without any type of retaining clips. 2700 miles is more than a few.

[@1gr8oil]

@@gravesru Thanks for the reply.

[@paulfloor5320]

@@gravesru Can you please clarify this? Your statement "the ujoints are pressed in without any type of retaining clips" is contradictory to other posts here and elsewhere. I looked at mine and there are clips on the inner side of the joints on all 8 cups. Were yours missing or did the one fail or come off on the cup that came out? Just trying to understand this possible cause of the failure and if there is a way to prevent it (perhaps tack weld the cups to the yokes like they do in the rock crawling circles ?).

[@gravesru]

Paul Floor If there are clips, then mine fell off. welding wont be an option because of the heat on the cup and shaft. Keep an eye on it, that seems like the only prevention I can think of.

[@paulfloor5320]

@@gravesru WOW, I have 8 clips and you have none! I find that somewhat hard to believe. That means that either Honda forgot your clips or all 8 of your clips fell off or one of us is mistaken. I am going to go get my eyes checked and then have another look.

[@steves3688]

Very good video...thanks

[@gravesru]

steve sabd Thank you!

[@michaelreger1365]

Didn't show or tell about what's under the bottom plastic the 3 bolted😳

[@countrymankdx200]

Can you not just replace the universal joints?

[@gravesru]

countrymankdx200 unfortunately not. It’s $180 for both ujoints and the driveline

[@jasonsweeney2581]

I just replaced mine I took it to a buddy that owns a machine shop and they had one on hand

[@gravesru]

Jason Sweeney Sucks that they break, but it’s a easy fix

[@jasonsweeney2581]

It's not a terrible fix but that cross I bought was the same one they run for one $20 so that was nicer then 200 forshaft and shipping

[@paulfloor5320]

@@jasonsweeney2581 Can you please provide a part number for the U-Joint that fits the Talon?

[@robertyoung3180]

You can now buy the u joints thru moog.

[@gravesru]

Or a driveline for free under warranty. Thanks for watching

[@nathonsmithson3024]

first thing belts blowing on na machines is not a problem. you get well over 2000 miles of hard riding before you can detect wear. second thing the belts are only 100 bucks all day long. upgraded g force belts are only 120.00 i bought one as a spare still haven't needed it. as far as driveshafts and carriers yes polaris has had some problems with phasing and rubber grommets wearing out but they usually last about 2000 miles easy and you replace with a 150.00 super atv model and your good for a long time. 2700 miles is not bad for your first breakdown but its not uncommon for any sxs to do this. lets not give honda too much credit. just another Asian sxs that costs 3 grand more than a comparable American model that has to be maintained too. as far as extended warranties go dont bother. just save your money and fix yourself. most those places just have 19 yearold kids that can barely change oil.im sure the talons are good machines but me and 50,000 other people with 5 year old canams and rzrs aren't going to go trade in a perfectly good proven machine for one that might be as good released 8 years later. i said it once and ill say it again. honda came out swinging for a base hit. that thing has the desighn and innovation of an xp900. the 900 came out almost 10 years ago.

[@gravesru]

Nathon Smithson The belt will last according to the driving. I have never lasted 2k miles on one belt. The other issues with belts is controlling the temp inside the belt housing and keep water or sand out of it. It’s just not the belt, Polaris especially has a ton of clutch issues. Maybe your belt is a $100, but many out there are in the $200 price range. The talon is not comparable to a 10 yr old Polaris, that’s absolutely ridiculous.

[@nathonsmithson3024]

@@gravesru if your not running over 45 mph( hill climbing,mud bogging, normal trail riding) just stay in low range and your belt will consistently last over 2000 miles. been riding mine hard for years and never blew a belt. had to replace plastic from rolling down hills and clean the radiator from mudding a few times but no belt issues at all. furthermore i live in ky and have been to parks like dirty turtle,blue hollar,mine maid, ect and never run up on somebody with a blown belt in over 40 outings. this includes bounty hill climbs and racing circuits. i guess everyone here has common sence. and dont kid yourself. an xp crushes a talon

[@nathonsmithson3024]

@@gravesru also im running 32" journeys on beedlocks. part of the time. some people o ride with have jeeps with 1 ton axles and 42s. sometimes you just need a bigger tire

[@snowrulesnate]

Agree, Honda has been a favorite brand for quads but they arrived light years late. CanAm and Polaris will not be surpassed by Honda in the SXS market, despite any perceived weaknesses, most of which don’t even occur with reasonable maintenance and proper handling. None of these are tanks but people drive them like they are, thus all the failures you see people posting. My XP4T is less than a year old and has logged trips to sand dunes, jumps, wide open drag racing etc...no issues and looks like new bc I maintain it and don’t take it in deep mud. All of these should last 8-10k miles if cared for, no matter what brand.

[@ericadams2012]

I like how you say 2700 miles your first break down. I have 300 miles on mine and already have the problem. What a piece of shit. That’s why you see them being sold right after people buying them. I’m just hoping because it’s so new warranty fixes this!

[@gravesru]

This is a very small and cheap problem compared to other makes. I have 11,000 miles on mine and still going strong. The ujoint is covered under warranty.

[@ericadams2012]

Easy fix who cares and it’s not so easy the fact that it happens is junk. Within 300 miles it goes out and barely got past the first oil change. Also there’s tons of people online with this problem Honda has not addressed this Or came up with a fix like an upgraded you joint or driveline. There is a guy on a forum said his went out in the first 69 miles. And you try to compare this to belts. I’m sorry I am not picking on you ,you didn’t make the car but stop sticking up for it.That is a major problem

[@gravesru]

@@ericadams2012 I have pointed this problem out in both of my review videos. It’s a huge disappointment. I work on Polaris and canam, and this is a small problem compared to many issues of makes have.

[@toddwilkerson5761]

That's the reason I pay for extended warranty on my toys. Honda would have been doing that work. Joint should not fail in 2700 miles.

[@gravesru]

Todd Wilkerson no talon has been out for longer than a year, so they’re all still under warranty. I could’ve elected for Honda to do the work, but I did it myself so I could make a video. Hopefully people that need to replace the driveline in the future will find this video useful.

[@peterpann9619]

17 hundred miles one belt and counting pro xp.

[@gravesru]

Belt life depends on how you drive and how the clutch is tuned. I see people go through 2 belts in one day on the racetrack. I have 11k miles on my Talon, no transmission issues. If you get 5k miles out of a Polaris clutch, it’s a miracle.

[@tobymattson7435]

Ok first of all if you know how to drive a belt will last 3000 miles. Second of all a good belt for 80 bucks from eBay. But again if you use up 3 or 4 belts in couple thousand miles you have issues.

[@gravesru]

Toby Mattson it all depends on how you drive it. If you pull a Tacoma 6 miles like I did, your belt would not survive. Secondly, it’s not just about belts, most have clutch issues, especially the ones with higher HP. So they spend $1400 on an aftermarket clutch. With a dct, you don’t have to be constantly careful with how you drive or what you pull in order to save your belt. Plus, a dct only loses 12% hp from the crank to the wheels and a cvt loses 25-30%.

[@donpayne562]

I think they call it sending it or drive it like you stole it.lol

[@rippinrowdy1209]

lmfao! 5:34 spread that ughhhhhhh

[@bengavins1993]

3 to 8 belts?!? Are you kidding me? I got 1500 miles on the 1 belt of my rzr. Belt is all you treat it and if any clutch components are worn out or damaged. What a lie.

[@gravesru]

Ben Gavins Yes, at least 3 belts. I pulled a Tacoma 6 miles, which would kill a belt after few hundred yards. During extreme driving, people go through belts quickly, and Polaris is notorious for clutch issues on top of it. I also know people who drive very moderately (mostly senior citizens) who can make a belt last for thousands of miles. That’s why I said, if I had a cvt, I would’ve went through at least 3 belts.

[@KaileighTretola]

What kind of dog is that??

[@gravesru]

Kaileigh Tretola The Kind that likes you

[@KaileighTretola]

@@gravesru I appreciate that, at least someone does.

[@gravesru]

Kaileigh Tretola and I like you too

[@johnnelson736]

Most people l know go 5000 to 10000 miles on belts , to have a driveline issue at 2700 miles l would not be happy. You should probably replace them all.

[@gravesru]

John Nelson Here’s something to think about. The belt or clutch isn’t covered under warranty if you have a cvt. Polaris is notorious for clutch issues and everyone I know replaces the clutch for an aftermarket one before 2k miles at around $1400. The Honda driveline, clutches and transmission are under warranty. I’ve rode with a Polaris and he went through two belts in one day. Maybe you can go 10k miles on a belt, but not the way I/we drive.

[@MichaelBell-rp3nw]

F*** this id much rather be changing belts every other ride than this u joint 1 time 🤣🤣

[@gravesru]

Yeah, the U joint isn’t a fun job!

[@crazyflyboy30]

If blow a belt you don't know how to drive ..

[@jasonbell4670]

And whys that???? I've smoked a couple belts on my rzr.. So that means idk how to drive??? Please let us know the secret to keeping a belt forever, the SXS world needs to know!!!

[@crazyflyboy30]

@@jasonbell4670 it's simple ,if the wheels not turning the belt is BURNING. Take off quickly or no slow long take off. Use low gear bellow 10 mph , on hills and loading and unloading. And always a good break in a new belt. Form 1999 to now I have never had a problem with a belt.

[@thatfreeamericantv923]

crazyflyboy30 stfu lol