HonorLock Results: What your instructor sees.

[@Doonesh]

Students really are paying thousands of dollars to teach themselves and deal with this thing now. It’s like we’re living in a dystopian future.

[@imJaymo]

The future is now!!! Damn it.

[@kottyking]

I can’t believe people go into a life time of debt for this garbage

[@Doonesh]

@@kottyking Yep... but here we are brother, still stepping through the shit that is college

[@hotrod360]

We are and it's only going to get worse as time goes by.

[@mikemayo4812]

If students are cheating, potential employers won't take anyone who graduated from that university seriously.

[@denny-michael]

If you are not a test taker like me, Honorlock makes it worse. HONORLOCK is an easy way to fail because besides being timed, you are being recorded and any small move may be misconstrued. I think they set us up for failure.

[@Joemama-cb1vy]

Or if you accidentally right click, which I do several times during a test on my laptop. My professor takes a point for each right click

[@merveerbil8665]

I agree !!

[@VictoriaJusticeInternetVideos]

I failed pretty bad :(

[@whotfisjason7870]

@@Joemama-cb1vy thats evil

[@majorgeneralmalaise]

It's not that bad. You are not penalized for flags. Your professor/TA will review the flag and watch what you were doing at the time. If you were scratching your nose or looking around while thinking, that flag will get dismissed. If you were staring down at your lap while answering most questions and crinkling paper, it's pretty obvious that you're probably cheating. I also have test anxiety, and Honorlock is WAY better than ProctorU, Examity, etc. where they have a 3rd party individual with little training, watching you the whole time. They WILL fail you if you fidget too much. I have ADHD so I've had my test paused so the proctor can tell me to stop fidgeting, and I have been threatened that if I can't sit still and stare directly at the screen, they're going to fail me. These are people in a call center whose training consists of watching videos on all the ways students can cheat, so I trust them a lot less than my professors/TAs. ~10 years ago, proctoring for online classes consisted of scheduling the exam at an in person test center. If your school doesn't have a campus in your area, then you pay about $150-$200 every time you need to take an exam, and you must schedule them in advance. With online proctoring, you can decide to take your test whenever you want in the exam window (usually a week), and you can take it in the evening, middle of the night , or weekend if you feel like it. So Honorlock is the best option I've encountered for proctoring online exams.

[@cottenvideos]

Wow, this seems like a direct violation of students rights.

[@Nice-in9gi]

I wouldn’t go this far but this is some weird shit. If I’m proctored this hard I wanna be TAUGHT not given almost no reasonable way to learn. There is a big difference between a interactive class in person and a awkward zoom call or 10hr of videos for us to watch a week in each class. I really just want to just wait until the pandemics over to go back to school.

[@quentinm.williams9]

I know right but honestly, I have a test like this coming up. basically, I am not gonna have my phone near me and definitely not have to use the bathroom or go to ANY tabs because I just don't want any suspicion from my professor at all.

[@diverman1023]

Straight up going gestapo on students that are already not in the best environment

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

@@diverman1023 As I've said in other comments, I'm not a big fan of Honorlock, but it isn't much different than the restrictions on a classroom exam, other than the camera.

[@memnook1919]

@@PhysicsThisWeek yes it is! It’s violating student privacy! How can you not see this?

[@blazekai]

me and my homies hate honorlock

[@hannah.shafer]

My professor watching me cry during my chem exam 👁👄👁

[@BrooklynStevenson]

This makes me feel much better lmao

[@drumstick6610]

I hate the feeling of being watched for the entire duration of my test it's so creepy and I'm sure it affects scores for many people

[@Gqtor]

If it helps, it's not an actual human watching you, just an AI. It doesn't treat you like a human, rather like a series of shapes/blobs that it identifies as your face/hands making noise occasionally. There are security cameras in classrooms (especially in college) frequently, so this is not that different.

[@pakiaki9775]

⁠@@Gqtorterrible justification. Having security cameras and being spied on through your own personal property is not the same. these videos are not just ‘shapes and blobs’ they are to the AI but the recorded videos are stored in Honorlocks servers. And with the increased frequency of data breaches is a major privacy concern. Schools are a public space which should be surveilled. Being recorded by my own computer in my own home, which should be private, to be sent to a professor to watch is an intense invasion of privacy and insulting due to the lack of trust.

[@VVVVV99611]

It would be the same experience if you were in a classroom. It doesn't seem like a bad thing at first but the more you see what all honorlock can do the scarier it gets. Especially when they are using machine learning to over-analyze everything, and also looking at your browser history even if the history isn't within the time you took the exam. All history - all.

[@alleycat3180]

its funny cause in the real world you can use everthing you need as in resouces to get things done I think schools in general should let students use resources as long as there is no exact cheating

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

I do let students use resources. I think there is some validity, though, in having some assessments without external resources. For example, if a student has to look up how to use a simple tool every time they use it, they aren't going to be good at their jobs.

[@SheeenBean]

I was looking for this comment, very well put together Alleycat. In the real world you are 100% correct that we are going to use our resources to problem solve and it isn’t cheating it’s backing yourself up. Not only can we not use our resources they expect us to teach ourselves in certain classes because some professors don’t even do there job correctly!

[@jamesvazquezmassini8914]

@@PhysicsThisWeek allycat completely shut you up lol

[@ChaosExodus]

@@PhysicsThisWeek I've worked in the IT Profession for the better part of 16 years. Let's put it this way, this job developed more than any one person, without being a savant, can ever remember. I forget how to use network and Linux commands on the fly unless I use them 8 hours a day. Those are simple tools. I have to look them up. I'm pretty stellar at my job and not because I know every specific thing, but because I know where to find the information.

[@nickhassler2727]

exactly. Im 37 and have been working for decades this kind of thinking is out of date and archaic. Only in academia is this considered noble. In the real world this kind of time eating shit gets you fired but non of these professors understand what the real world id because they are out of touch and have never worked there. In the real world its called get the work done and move on. You use EVERY resource you have a access to so that it gets done fast and correct. Jobs evolve and change every day the idea that should know how to do it all without looking something up is not at all correct and his response is incorrect. I work for the federal government and we have go-by instructions that we use to do our work and its almost a requirement to ensure its done correct. That doesn't make you a bad employee. Tying one hand behind your back and not allowing you to use all available resources and still expecting top teir product is called bad leadership.

[@tappytibbons735]

In the interest of fairness, I used a long range wireless keyboard/mouse and a HDMI splitter with a 20 foot cable to duplicate my screen. I also used a Virtual Machine within my PC to take my exam on so there was never any access to my actual system. The person in the other room took the whole exam while I blankly looked at the screen and pretend to type and click. Institutions want to use privacy invading software and treat their students like liars and criminals, we are happy to oblige by fulfilling the role. Odd 4 years ago my girlfriend got her Bachelors all online and never had to deal with any of this NKVD software.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Congratulations. I hope that you are using your evil genius skills to do some good in the world.

[@jayceew2j202]

You do bring valid points. This is a serious privacy concern. I want to be successful in life so ill shut up and take it. But still makes you wounder.

[@myway4226]

based

[@merveerbil8665]

Does it work with honorlock respondes?

[@bigdaddyo760]

@@PhysicsThisWeek don’t be salty 😂😂

[@capefear56]

I don't think I'll ever get used to having what is essentially a robotic eyeball watching my every move as I struggle through tough physics 2 problems...

[@traceywilliams6012]

My teacher straight up says “DO NOT LOOK LEFT OR RIGHT.” To the entire class and she says zero talking or noise unless you’re cheating

[@traceywilliams6012]

@Garrett - I know right. It’s getting so strict with each quiz. I just ended my semester this week, and let me say.. My anxiety was through the roof

[@Irken_Invader_Zim]

this is some 1984 shit...

[@lordinquisitor6651]

@@traceywilliams6012 use a virtual webcam, use a live deepfaking software to deepfake your own face, but do not track head movements. If you don’t want to to that, just prerecord a video of you staring at your screen and put it into the virtual webcam. Combine it with a slightly choppy video by intentionally reducing your connection speed and artificially increasing packet loss. That way you have slightly bad video, that runs at about 15fps. Now you have enough of a time window to switch from your prerecorded video to your actual webcam without anyone noticing, if your teacher asks a question and you need to speak.

[@nikailyas1783]

​@@traceywilliams6012 i had to take stats last semester with honor lock, and middle of the quiz it stopped I wasn't cheating or anything and I cried while I was being recorded it was so stressful I ended up dropping the course and now I have to take it again hoping that teacher wouldn't use honor lock but here we go again but she doesn't use it for the quiz but only for test and I'm so stressed.

[@lilangelx]

i talk to myself when taking big tests so mine ig gonna come out as “high”

[@MelonXin]

Same here. I read the questions and I speak or my thoughts. 😂😂

[@tired9301]

I just too an exam and wondered if my video was going to get flagged because I was talking :)

[@juanonmashin4293]

I curse so much “f***!” “S***t!” 🤣🤣

[@Jcc2224]

I just graduated college, and one of my coworkers is still in college. She literally cried at work because of how intense these honorlock things are. Exams are rough enough, but having your every move recorded is horrifying to me, obviously was to her. I understand cheating isn't good and should be avoided, but man this isn't the way. Professors will record students exams yet still use exam questions that are a click away on quizlet... make up your damn mind people.

[@fluffypinkpandas]

yeah prof's be super lazy on making tests. "oh i'll just use shit directly from my book, and the other 90 tests Ive used in my teaching career" and they get all our money in the end

[@jarrellidk]

I live in an urban neighbor, people play loud music outside all the time outside. I got marked a zero because they flagged me as cheating for having music when it was obviously not coming from my room LOL.

[@BrooklynStevenson]

It’s such a terrible system. You literally watch yourself panicking on a super difficult exam, knowing your teacher is watching you directly.

[@courtneyn4157]

just tell her to positive her phone out the camera

[@Abbyf]

It makes it unfair because so many people cheat they just don’t get caught, everyone should be equal, makes sense for them to do away with the proctoring.

[@DrProfSlugger]

This is an overreach and violation of our privacy. The fact that we are forced to hand over our data to a third-party not affiliated with the school is absolutely ridiculous.

[@oliverduo404]

You know this shit isn't okay. YOU KNOW.

[@russellstrauss]

Good idea. Looking in books and notes is something that would never be tolerated on the job. We must ensure students memorize but never learn!

[@AlecArmbruster]

At my big career job, my boss said I must memorize everything and can not use any reference material. I’m thankful academia prepared me for this moment.

[@AnimeProduction101]

The doctors at my job often use their old text books to freshen up on medications, disease, surgeries, etc. Or they will use this medical search engine to read up on things that they are not familiar with. I get not being able to always rely on notes and books but to say that they will never be tolerated at work is wrong.

[@ShidaiTaino]

@@AlecArmbruster why?

[@AlecArmbruster]

@@ShidaiTaino I was being sarcastic

[@ryan.rodrii2005]

as a programmer, i disagree

[@ishaanparmar5200]

The only concern I have is that acedemic instiutions need to understand that students are at their home, and with this kind of software it could make difficult for people to pass exams because there may be other people in the house talking (or speaking in another language in their house).

[@Lyssietooprissy]

Exactly!

[@lacey892]

100% I live in a home with my son, two dogs, and like 3 other people. I have to take my tests after everyone goes to sleep or pray to God they don't start barking or yelling during my exam. Not to mention if I have to stand up or go handle something during a test. Like, I'm not just some 18 year old living by myself in a dorm, I'm a full grown adult trying to live my life at the same time and these instructors need to cut us some slack.

[@ishaanparmar5200]

@@lacey892 Totally agree

[@peterrusso7336]

@@lacey892 if they are complaining about you having to take care of stuff during a test tell them you are a single mom I guarantee that will shuy them up

[@nikailyas1783]

Exactly I have younger siblings who are constantly yelling and screaming and even playing video games so yh this thing is really stressful

[@TheMarajBarbie]

This is beyond weird. I really don't care what no one says.

[@big662]

Imagine students having to use Canvas to learn quickly then have to be stressed out with a proctored test. This is why college is a scam.

[@kamyabpk4820]

Thank you for sharing your side of monitor Dr. Although I don't have that big of a problem with sharing my monitor and webcam for an exam. Not ideal but reasonable. But I think recording your voice, scanning your room, ID check, Tracking connection of every device connected to the router, AI that tracks your eyes and every muscle of your face, giving feedback about your every movement, noise and action is way too much. It just adds a ton more stress and anxiety to students that already have a very high levels of stress. Due to ungodly amounts of homework and life struggles/obligations in this hard times. So when colleges claim care and concern about students Mental-Health it comes across as disingenuous.

[@keyonalyles2267]

Thank you!!! My college had the audacity to send out a mental-health survey at the end of the year, and I just felt insulted. I personally don't hate it, but it's definitely not my favorite cup 'o tea.

[@chad3232132]

Not remotely reasonable by any stretch. So much unnecessary bullshit, for bo good reason. There is absolutely no reason why an exam should not be open nook to begin with. After 15+ years post college, not once has an employer given me a closed book task. The real world is about looking things up... every single day.

[@rh5944]

ummm....do you know if honorlock records the phototaking process? I might have done something embarrassing in that time..please wear pants guys

[@krispykremeforlyfe]

HAHAH

[@k.strive46]

yeah i usually take these tests butt naked wtf

[@pakiaki9775]

I’m 99% sure it does, everything is stored on Honorlocks servers

[@FireAlarmHowTooGuy]

I had issues with Honorlock when I took proctored Algebra tests. I would talk to myself solving the problems on my dry erase board and my instructor emailed me like "Honorlock shows you were talking during your test, but it appears you were working out the problems, so I will not mark off points."

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

I never realized how many students talk things out aloud until reviewing the flagged Honorlock recordings. They don't do it that loudly when in the classroom. (Although I have had a few that mumble a bit during in-person exams.)

[@jakearjona1855]

Physics This Week of course they are NOT speaking in class because teachers want all students quiet so that everyone can focus. But if I’m alone and no one else is taking the test with me then I would speak all I want...

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

@@jakearjona1855 I get that. That's why I don't worry about students talking to themselves.

[@Hababadababa]

Physics This Week I talk to myself A LOT. (Of course not during actual class) it helps with test anxiety and reading the questions out loud helps me focus as well

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

@@Hababadababa I do too, just usually not out loud. I think learned to stop vocalizing aloud as a kid because my little brother would interrupt my train of though by answering me.

[@ashleypierce8500]

What an absolute breach of privacy. This is foul and the people who developed this and force the use of this are absolutely disgusting. This is shameful and unconscionable.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

I'm not a fan of it myself. I use it for two reasons. The first is that some 4-year schools won't take my student's transfer credits unless the exams are proctored. (I think that's foolish.) The other reason I'm semi-okay with using it is seeing the myriad of other videos of folks showing students how to cheat on exams.

[@chad3232132]

How in the world would they know if the students took proctored exams? I thought at most universities look at your transcript and the catalog description of courses you completed. Are you saying colleges actually go so far as requesting your course syllabi?

[@lukewenzel8085]

ayo why people disliking this dude's vid. he's literally showing us what they see lmao

[@lil_jeke]

Prolly the teachers who don’t even want us to know this information lol

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Thank you for your support, Luke.

[@pakiaki9775]

That doesn’t make it any less creepy and invasive. If he really cared and trusted his students he wouldn’t make it mandatory to use this spyware

[@Calicat8]

How am I supposed to take my exam and do well when I’m under pressure of being constantly being watched??

[@VictoriaJusticeInternetVideos]

Yeah, same!!

[@bluepenguin2071]

HonorLock reminds me of a loaded gun that hasn’t cocked yet. “Oh it’s harmless if you do right” yet is so intimidating.

[@aliencrasher51]

So if we just take our tests naked, because it's our own damn houses. Will teachers stop using this?

[@gtw7904]

If I can’t get through college because of my refusal to install this extension then so be it. I pay for my Wi-Fi, I bought my laptop and I pay for my course. There is no reason I should be monitored like this, I’m not okay with someone having access to any of what I consider to be my personal privacy. If you want to monitor and police me then you have me in the classroom, on your equipment, on your network.

[@bobe6486]

Hated honorlock, I drop my class, . This is not the answer. It's all about business plus controlling your computer. Speaking to that, . They copied your IP ADDRESS AND WATCHED ALL YOUR HISTORY : CRAZZY INSANE

[@daboss1563]

They're definitely selling student's information to third parties.

[@sethwilliams3683]

When you have 0.000% trust in your student's academic integrity.

[@_acb]

You said if there’s talking, most likely something is going on. I have ADHD and something that helps me focus and process is reading the questions out loud to myself. That’s the number one thing I hate about proctoring online.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Talking gives the professor a warning notification. A good professor would then review that part of the video and see that you are just talking things out. If you are the only voice, it shouldn't be a problem. I talk things out too.

[@IcarusBPM]

Dropping my Online Class because of this 🙌 Miss me with that bullshit, i am not a camgirl

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

As I've mentioned in other comments, I'm not a big fan of proctoring software. I mostly use it because many 4-year schools won't accept our credits if the exams aren't proctored. I've also noticed that some of my exam problems have made it to online cheat-farms like chegg. I don't want to re-write my exams every semester. I'd prefer to spend my time attempting to make my teaching content (lectures, videos, activities) better.

[@TheJacobshapiro]

Honorlock flags calculators as phones all the time. It really isn’t that useful considering the AI is so bad it requires manual review. I’m just waiting for someone to hack honorlock. It’ll happen inevitably, and when all those students’ ID’s and faces are revealed people will realize what a violation of privacy it is.

[@LatelyDrowsy]

I gotta take a 4 hour exam sittin like a damn statue and not look away from the screen what so ever. Wow.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

A four hour exam seems extreme. Hopefully your instructor thinks again about that decision.

[@MS-ez8sm]

I don't feel comfortable with this. I tend to talk to myself from time to time, so I should really keep quiet when I take the exam. Not only that, but my professor told us that our exam is open book, won't honor lock think we are cheating?

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

When a student talks, the professor gets a notification in the video. I usually just jump to that point, listen for a moment, and then ignore it. For open-book situations, the professor can let the proctors know that students can have notes and/or use certain websites.

[@MS-ez8sm]

@@PhysicsThisWeek Oh, okay. Thanks

[@berry266]

I just started college and we have to choose between doing a test through honorlock or in person and the whole reason i’m doing online is bc i can’t go in person but now i’ll have to because this is absolutely terrifying to me. I understand the basis behind it but my friend failed his exam bc he looks up when he’s taking tests to think and they said that meant he was cheating. I’m about to have an anxiety attack bc literally the thought of this is stressful and nauseating.

[@legaciesshelties]

I do not like honorlock. I had to use it during my algebra exams and it had a ton of issues. Timed me out a bunch of times during timed tests. Or its video would not work, or sound. I have to use my laptop when taking exams because of the camera. My desktop, which is what I do all of my studying and homework on, does not have a camera, and I am not wasting money to buy one. My laptop is not the greatest.. They keys dont always work. But I am not going to spend money trying to get it fixed or buy a new one just for a program that spies on you. I am at home, and will read the questions out loud, write things down, say the answers out loud. I have animals and kids walking around making sounds. I try to get my exams and homework done while the kids are at school. But sometimes that's not always the case. Sometimes, I have to yell at my dogs for barking at nothing. I understand you are not the reason schools are using honorlock.

[@made432]

People who read aloud and take bathroom breaks are screwed. Also, my former classmate has a medical condition T1D and she has to take breaks to inject her meds and the professor accused her of cheating because she took a bathroom break to inject insulin privately, mind you she has accomodations to do so. I recommend people to record themselves taking the test in the room. So, you can have evidence if a professor ever wants to make false accusations of cheating.

[@alreadyputitup]

dystopian, horrific. Feel sorry for those students.

[@martin22336]

Glad I left the states what else place a stranger at your house 24/7 to watch you take an exam online. New flash : US school are behind the rest of the world.

[@luhvjoeyx3164]

Who really has this much fucking time to look at every single students quiz to make sure they weren’t cheating like this is actually fucking ridiculous

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Instructors get a notification if the AI sees a suspicious situation. I only review the "high level" infractions, and most of those aren't really bad. For example, one student's head was in front of a poster. When he would spin in his chair, the face on the poster would show up. Honorlock marked that as another person helping him. Obviously I didn't need to do anything else.

[@stormiieyes6105]

@@PhysicsThisWeek You dont think this software is a violation of our fourth amendment rights?

[@SheeenBean]

Wow I wonder what my math teacher was thinking when she seen me raging at some of the incorrect problems I faced... I was literally saying this is some fuckin bullshit 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[@tros_725]

So apparently this is a college thing also. They have this in my middle school..Idk if they should be doing this to minors lol its very creepy..🙁 Feels very dystopian

[@HaloHunter2552]

So how much of the speech from your students is just cursing?

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Not as much as you would think. They do seem to have some self control.

[@theia1653]

Honorlock sounds like an elf's hairstyle in a Tolkien movie.

[@zavi1919]

I get that this is to prevent cheating but isn't this going a little overboard? My college started using Canvas/Honorlock this semester and I'm not going to take another online class again just because of this. What a joke.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

The current ability to choose our settings has made this not as invasive as the original version. The main driver for online courses is student flexibility. If you are okay with driving to campus or paying to live there, dragging yourself into class at a fixed time every day, and exposing yourself to COVID, feel free to take your classes in person.

[@champagnesupernova4081]

I HATE HONORLOCK.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

I'm not a big fan, but it is a somewhat necessary evil.

[@ferrarif8tributo441]

Yup! Spyware and overheats laptops.

[@amitkulkarni3922]

@@ferrarif8tributo441 don't forget all the privacy concerns

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

I understand the privacy concerns. As I said, I'm not a fan, but some schools won't take transfer credit if the exams aren't proctored. Don't forget, you are commenting on Google's KZbin, one of the most tracked sets of data in the world.

[@uke4382]

Me too. I gotta use it for two of my four online classes, and it makes my MacBook sound like an airplane 😂

[@B0bbyh]

honestly this helped me do what I gotta do, lifespan's short cheat get through school and get to where you need to be in life, literally nothing matters its all made up lol.

[@hboogy101]

i don't think that's a good mindset

[@courtneyn4157]

fr

[@courtneyn4157]

it may not be a good mindset but it’s 100% the truth. I couldn’t agree more

[@ghosty3034]

it helped me cheat lol

[@JinxThe13th]

If you think about how higher education has devolved since the pandemic, most kids don’t even want to take in person classes anymore because all institutions do is tell you what to read and where to find it. Face to face classes are going the way of the Dodo because of the flexibility fully online classes provide. It’s not like the curriculum they’re teaching is locked behind some paywall that you can only get through by paying for college. The way the internet works and the availability of information kinda makes the whole “pay for college and stay indebted forever” schtick seem pretty moot. Sure, it helps to have degrees/certifications on your resume, but do you really need to be at the whim of the higher education system to get this information? Since most teachers in my experience, both online and in person, have relied on various web resources 95% of the time, what’s the point of paying for information that’s completely free to access? Aside from the structure being in a class setting provides with having a curriculum to follow, assignments to reinforce concepts, etc. I really see no point in paying to be apart of a classroom setting, especially when the mistrust between students and teachers has gone as far as installing malware onto personal computers to “ensure everyone has a fair chance” when in reality, the transition to fully online has only made it more apparent to colleges that they are hemorrhaging money as every semester passes because of kids teaching themselves the material rather than having the instructors teach it.

[@strangebrew1231]

I only recommend college if you're able to go debt free. There's lots of ways to do this. Pell grant, employers like Wal Mart and Target have not only tuition reimbursement but programs that are 100% paid for. But absolutely do not take out student loans for it. And if you have taken loans out do not pay them. That system needs to collapse and it will as long as people hold the line and never pay their loans back

[@plushbatfan]

Generally, any time a student has had one too many exam violations (i.e. face not detected for an extended period of time, browsing other webpages outside of the test, covering the camera lens, using a phone during the exam other than contacting the information technology (IT) about connection problem, talking to others around you), first offense is most likely a zero on an exam. Second offense is an automatic failure for the course. The third and subsequent offense is dismissal from the university.

[@megm3934]

have you tested the theory that they can tell if you’re using another device to look up answers?

[@Vickyomggg]

I know its late but they cant

[@Vickyomggg]

They could if they want to just to be safe use uhhhh ur phone with no or a diffrent wifi

[@larkspur.lazuli]

There's eyeball tracking (and a recorded video of you) and if you take your eyes off the test it pings the prof as a warning. Also, they have access to all the internet traffic on your network so if another device accesses they should be able to see.

[@Vickyomggg]

@@larkspur.lazuli i turned off my wifi

[@k.strive46]

@@larkspur.lazuli lol i dont think they can see all your internet traffic just what you type on your computer

[@nikki2370]

I find it unsettling that I just don't have a "private" place to take my exam due by July 1st because I'm doing a summer class that's 1 month long with everything crammed in and I can't help the fact that I have a kid and no childcare so last minute and my kid will literally bug me during my exam.... And she will hang off of me on camera because she doesn't understand personal space.. and a dog who doesn't understand personal space.... I just think I'm doomed to have my exam thrown out now....

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Let your instructor know about the kid and the dog. They may be okay with that. Instructors have the option to act on what is flagged by Honorlock.

[@nikki2370]

@@PhysicsThisWeek I appreciate the advice! I just saw your comment now. Honor Lock ended up not being used during my summer semester. But I have a different program being used during this fall semester. So I'm definitely going to email my professor if I have an issue or something happens. At least this time around when I test take, my kid is at school lol

[@wahabwahab2042]

does it shows you a video of the whole exam ? or only the parts that are suspicious?

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

It records the whole thing. It flags the parts that are questionable. As an instructor, I usually just view the part that's flagged. (It is usually nothing major. For example, some students talk to themselves during the exam. That is flagged, but not cheating.) I don't have time to watch everyone's video, even on the fastest speed possible.

[@merniseisaac9416]

@@PhysicsThisWeek about student make noise with paper

[@nolanception]

i got assigned a different professor at the last minute and now i have to use this dumb thing . i am pissed.

[@GianniA]

Violation of privacy and illegal practice. The CSU case ruled by a federal judge creates a case study, which can potentially turn into a huge issue for all institutions who allow the use of Honorlock. Also, whomever promotes the use of such spyware should be held accountable for forcing people to give up PII. Additionally, this practice favors privileged students who can afford to buy a webcam, or a computer that has one; other students who can't, will probably face the consequences, and this, to me, is plain discrimination.

[@Asukol]

College in 2021 is a weird punitive surveillance dystopia complete with a bonus of biometric data collection.

[@Stiggandr1]

Accidentally just took a test without turning honor lock on. I visited the landing page to try to see some additional info, and it kick started without honor lock being started. I did really well on the exam, better than most of the class, and I'm frankly freaking out that I'm going to be accused of cheating. I absolutely didn't. The test was open book, open note, and substantially based on the homework we already did. I have no clue how the other students didn't do well. Not sure what to do, but unless it alerts the prof. that I didn't have honorlock on, I'm thinking about just not mentioning it unless she does. I feel like even saying something invites suspicion.

[@kimbo6463]

I took a final yesterday and honorlock went AWOL and locked me out of the exam.

[@aidanabarbosyn5973]

Why?I am gonna have mine after 6 days

[@Payne0210]

Look, even in Army leadership courses, you're allowed to use notes and textbooks. I get that they want to ensure you are learning but some people just don't perform well while taking tests.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

There's an option in Honorlock to allow books and notes as well as websites. I make a "safe list" that allow students access to Wikipedia and the textbook. (Obviously this is an instructor choice.) Honorlock keeps students from using Slack, Twitter, Discord, and other collaboration websites.

[@Payne0210]

@@PhysicsThisWeek does Honorlock work the same as the lockdown browser? and can the teacher see everything on the screen that goes on during the lockdown exam?

[@lordinquisitor6651]

Why do I get the feeling that anyone who’s actually cheating in a proctored online exam will simply complete the exam on a virtual system and use their actual system to look up the answers. You could even set the virtual system to a transparent window, so you don’t even need to turn your head/ look away. Combine that with intentionally messing with your camera quality to prevent anyone seeing the reflection in your eyes / glasses and that whole system is a joke.

[@gamerwhiz6847]

Thank you for posting. Can you see how the student clicks answers on the actual test, such as whether they change their chosen answers or not?

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

If I watched closely enough to the video, I could. I can see the student's screen during the recording. However, there is no "tracking" of what is clicked and or changed that consolidates that information in Honorlock.

[@kartavyapath566]

If i connect my laptop through hotspot , then use my phone then it can see what i am seeing in my mobile phone . . If i keep mobile phone at a blind spot plzz tell.

[@kartavyapath566]

@@PhysicsThisWeek If i connect my laptop through hotspot , then use my phone then it can see what i am seeing in my mobile phone . . If i keep mobile phone at a blind spot plzz tell.

[@victoriarosen361]

Here's the secret to bypass any proctor. kzbin.info/door/NUGSyCXlFv_N_bTBzKKNhA . I've used them before and it works pretty well.I recommend that you check them out.

[@lali423]

Does it record the even before the test actually starts? Like between showing your ID & SCANNING ur room???

[@AlecArmbruster]

It records EVERYTHING

[@AlecArmbruster]

Yeah, this disturbs me so much that children are having their bedrooms recorded.

[@magdata9048]

@Kenn Klein bot

[@CKora]

it only records when u start the test

[@austinadams2823]

If anyone needs help with their proctored online exams I recommend these guys kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5qQYpZplq9srKs They have experts who will help you with proctored exams, you just need to be online for the webcam and they will help you with the questions.I have used them 3 times successfully. Thank me later.

[@maximus9300]

This is fucking bullshit. It’s my house, I shouldn’t have to let anyone in it.

[@hussainsdomain]

real

[@codeinecrazyfuture]

Do you expel students for cheating on Honor Lock or just give them a failing grade for the course?

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

At our school, one gets three strikes. If is is the third, they can be expelled. For the first infraction, I may give them a zero for the exam and report them, just as I would for cheating on an in-person exam.

[@codeinecrazyfuture]

@@PhysicsThisWeek Honor Lock is better than a testing center, that's for sure!

[@brucetouzel6484]

can they spy on you even if you are not using Chrome or not on the school site ?

[@collegestudent6071]

A Virtual webcam really saved me during this whole ordeal.

[@convn1749]

what do you mean by this

[@AliColak]

Complete invasion of privacy.

[@rajiba7115]

If this dude was my professor I'm dropping out

[@Leon002z]

what would happen if i were to take that test on a virtual machine and do all the work on the real machine?

[@ghosty3034]

they can detect if your using a vm

[@j.a.3138]

@@ghosty3034 not if you do it right

[@therealvoltix]

@@j.a.3138 How do you do it right??

[@fr0grr]

oops I sometimes sing during my exams. I hope they don't penalize me for that lol edit: even if i don't get penalized, it's so embarrassing to know that they might review it and see and hear me singing

[@customerservice8320]

Please respond if you see this. Do these proctoring software check student's computer background processes? Like the processes we see in tasks-manager from system32 or system processes(explorer.exe). Can they kill all other process?

[@wll0x]

On the past 2 years i've used Proctorio and other types for exams and the voice detectors are trully dumb in my opinion, I have 3 daughters and during Covid Is imposible to control the noise because no one know the living conditions of students, I also read questions outloud because I somehow focus better when I do so, my point is, If you are taking an exam at home, screw the rules and do your best.

[@TheJadeWeird]

Does honorlock detect eye movement?

[@ThatOneMohamed]

Yes it does. I talk about that on my channel

[@LgShai]

Nah you can cheat, just ignore them when they pause your test 😂

[@francmarcus8433]

Just use transparent sticky notes and place it on the screen that way your eyes don’t move away from it

[@acatwithinternet5635]

I coughed up a storm during my exam Because I'm sick. Is that going to get flagged?

[@bugginbean4008]

Big brother is watching 👀

[@maisharose7292]

Can professors see past browser and clipboard history??💀 That's such a invasion to privacy💀

[@macaroongaming5579]

I've already taken two exams for my bio class and it's the worst. first, this happened to me on the second exam, but my exam was paused like 4 times because my camera stoped cording me and this stressed me out every single time because I was nervous it wouldn't work again. second, I like to talk myself whenever I'm taking online quizzes or exams and this completely permits me from doing that

[@dondatathebard]

Can proctors hear me if I'm muted?

[@Hughjasslol1]

thanks for the transparency

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

You are welcome. I think it helps folks to see what I see.

[@Angel..L]

Are there options to not require face cam or access to microphone? When I took the exam using Honorlocke it didn't require anything else other than sharing my screen not even an ID . I sat there a bit confused for about 5 minutes before just finishing it and thought it might be an oversight by my professor.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

They have added more options for what professors can require. Your prof may have deselected those options.

[@Irken_Invader_Zim]

Are we living in the 1984 world?....

[@frostedfelony]

I am so anxious, I had to take an Aleks test with Respondus Lockdown Browser, I was so anxious I was talking to myself quietly, I shifted a lot and I had to write notes on the side and now I'm so scared I'll be flagged as a cheater when I didn't do anything wrong

[@user-eh4gu3bq8k]

Can Pearson MyLab Monitor your screen and camera?

[@DJ-ok5ev]

Then the student sues for defemation

[@leslieeg]

This is an invasion of privacy

[@gabeitch3000]

Oh hell naw I’d rather get 0s on my tests and final than download this sketchy thing that asks you for your id and doesn’t leave your screen. Should be illegal honestly tbh

[@z_zoom11]

so I talk to myself a lot during exams. you're not my teacher obviously, but do you have a problem with me or your students verbally talking through problems?

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Not on a take home exam. Talking through a problem is a good way to help you understand it. If a student were doing this in the classroom where other students are around, I'd tell them to think to themselves.

[@earth9625]

If student takes screenshot while exams is ongoing of their own exam questions can Honorlock detect

[@BasedSeviper]

this is communism

[@0din673]

nah, authoritarianism

[@voyager_105]

lol this isn't communism, this is capitalism and totalitarianism at its best

[@emilyjordaan6489]

us who scripple alot and talk alone during an exam😭😭😭😭ill cry for all of us

[@notoriousyoutuber]

oh... i talk to myself during the exams feeling like i have to explain everything 😂

[@ghoulishskeptic5749]

Can you show what happens if the student uses their phone? I’ve seen a lot of discussion talking about if honorlock snoops on students’ home networks and wanted to see how that gets flagged

[@HighFidelityFox]

It just flags it as High Risk and “a secondary device is in use”

[@notmybusiness3055]

@@HighFidelityFox Lol so what if there are other people in my house while I’m taking the test? They’re going to mark me as high risk for that? How tf would they know which one is my phone? What type of bs.

[@HighFidelityFox]

@@notmybusiness3055 I read over the documentation, apparently the schools host honeypot websites that show up when a student searches the exact question on google, clicking on it logs device data, including time stamp and that’s how it’s linked.

[@austinadams2823]

If anyone needs help with their proctored online exams I recommend these guys kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5qQYpZplq9srKs They have experts who will help you with proctored exams, you just need to be online for the webcam and they will help you with the questions.I have used them 3 times successfully. Thank me later.

[@pierstonsalinas940]

My blank professor in my blank class when asked “will the exam be in honor lock or webex” she said “webex because there’s a bunch of cheater cheater pumpkin eaters that used honnor lock” and my Curiosity began to grow. Like how can people cheat if it literally records your face and screen and 360 room monitoring at the beginning. I’m definitely not one to cheat because in my blank major I definitely need to know the stuff I’m learning for the future or I’ll be so unprepared.

[@pierstonsalinas940]

Next fall Honor-lock will be obsolete so if you would explain how people cheated then I will appreciate it🤣 I NEED TO KNOW, so curious on the exploits the people did on something I thought was extremely strict

[@stilldimitri]

An idea I had a while back is to tape Post-it notes on your computer's screen with everything you need to know. There's no way Honorlock can detect that. Of course, I wouldn't do that as I've never cheated, but just an idea as to how it can be done with Honorlock.

[@nikailyas1783]

@@stilldimitri thank god my teacher allow us to use notes

[@bskarpa]

What happens if you have dogs and you have to let them out in the middle of an exam? I swear my dog has to go pee during the times your most busy. Hell have to go as soon as I sit down and start eating or as soon as I lay down or using the bathroom. It’s like he waits for you to be at the most inopportune time. Is have an exam this week and I know while I’m taking it I’ll have to let him out.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

It depends on your professor. I have my settings such that getting up would raise a flag. I review that, and usually see what's going on. I'd look at the camera, say "My dog really needs to go out", and let them out. You might email your professor afterwards to let them know.

[@yanqingfu8975]

My instructor used this for a 2 hour exam. I submitted in an hour because I really need to go to the restroom

[@uglypinkeraser]

you should have planned ahead and taken your exam inside the restroom

[@thepopo592]

This is actually fucking horrifying

[@hlulie6905]

How does honorlock detect cellphones

[@flugherbutter3434]

dont quote me on this but i think it connects to other devices through your wifi (ie. if your computer is connected to wifi and so is your phone, it can connect to it)

[@dopemuffinz1000]

@@flugherbutter3434 I read a while ago on Reddit that they use some sort of geolocating

[@quentinm.williams9]

@@flugherbutter3434 omg that is so weird and also fascinating how software is able to do that. while I take this test, my phone is gonna be in my room.

[@tonicarpenter4126]

If your location settings is off, then likely Honorlock cannot detect the phone.

[@daniel_of_jersey4775]

Honorlock will detect any device on your wifi network(the wifi ur computer is using) so im not sure but i think that turning off wifi and location and using mobile network will be ok.

[@d.i_reyes9354]

This is absolutely insane dude..

[@tretheafrotraveler]

Just let me do my thing. Im already paying you.

[@hussainsdomain]

real

[@eliminshrintar]

Just curious, was your use of HL compulsory or professor discretion? My school is looking into it and hasn't decided on that issue yet.

[@PhysicsThisWeek]

Professor discretion, sort of. I teach at a community college and have been getting questions from 4 year schools about whether we proctor our exams. I wanted to make sure that our students can transfer their credits. Without that though, I probably wouldn't use HL.

[@Toastedghosted]

The quiz won’t even open for me, I have tried 5 times. I don’t know if honorlock saves every recording even if you don’t ever open the test but if it does I’m screwed cause I said some not nice things on it about both the test and my professor, didn’t mean it but I was pissed 🤦‍♀️

[@uglypinkeraser]

Does it flag if you accidentally fart? how embarrassing I don't think I could focus on an exam knowing that any little noise is being recorded and will be scrutinized later.