OK Boomers: Victor Davis Hanson, Pagers, Zelenskyy, and the Fellows “Talkin’ ‘Bout Their Generation”

[@RNemy509]

I see VDH in the title, I click! He's one of my fav ppl to hear speak!! Love me some VDH

[@peredavi]

Wonderful session. Having VDH on is always great. If you’re a young person, like to work with your hands and not interested in college? Go to community college. Get welding certification, HVAC training, electrician apprenticeship, plumbing, IT security, A/P aircraft mechanic… Good income. Start your own business when you get a lot of experience. Live in a small city in flyover country. Buy a fixer upper home…..

[@akow2655]

As a liberal living in the EU I'm always happy to listen to the Goodfellows for insight into american politics, politics in general and just wisdom for life. These sorts of reasonable political discussions with actually accomplished individuals is something I feel is lacking today. Stay safe and stay genuine

[@laurelsternberg5861]

Thanks for the book recommendations. I live in central Israel and have learned more about war than I ever wanted to. It sounds like these books would help me to understand, in part, what we’re doing. God bless you all.

[@danielhall3105]

I was at UCSC at precisely the same time as VDH. I would be willing to wager that we were the only two conservatives on campus.

[@Ironrodpower]

Here for VDH. That is all

[@remillkd]

Your brilliance and passion for knowledge have profoundly enriched my life. Each of you possesses a unique ability to illuminate complex ideas, making them accessible and engaging. Your insights challenge me to think critically and embrace curiosity, inspiring me to explore new horizons. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and encouraging those around you to grow. Your contributions not only elevate discussions but also foster a deeper understanding of the world. I am truly grateful for the impact you have on my journey of learning.

[@nuqwestr]

1920 The 3rd Arab/Palestine Congress told Winston Churchill they would "kill all the Jews". It's all here from a primary source issued in 1921. "Report on the State of Palestine presented to the Right Honourable Mr. Winston Churchill P.C., M.P. by the Executive Committee of the Third Arab Palestine Congress. Jerusalem, March 28, 1921." - Library of Congress PDF, online, easy to read.

[@UberGringo]

Considering how badly Churchill screwed the Arabs in WW1 to the benefit of the Jews, would you expect some other outcome? The Arabs were promised their own state, but their homes were given to others. I'd be pissed off too.

[@ykcirnhoj2225]

because the jews invaded Palestine

[@peredavi]

The Arabs began killing Jews who bought land and started kibbutzs in early 1900s.

[@alf1ash9]

Isn’t it time that the Hoover Institute and Victor Davis Hanson woke up to the fact that you don’t actually have a coherent, credible Republican party? This is insane.

[@lukejolley8354]

As a millennial I have to say that we’re pretty lucky to have free access to these great figures and that we can hear them speak in their own voices! Thanks!

[@sarahsanford3682]

I'd like to point out that the New Yorker article was before Zelenskyy came to the US. Zelenskyy was here for the UN meetings. It's not his fault that the ammunition factory closest was in Pennsylvania. Zelenskyy has offered to meet with Trump, and it doesn't seem that Trump wants to meet him. Everyone on the right is blowing this out of proportion. Zelenskyy just wanted to thank the factory workers for the ammunition. No one on the right made a big deal that a bunch of Senators, Representatives, and the Indiana Governor just went to Kyiv recently.

[@hankroest6836]

Victor is why history needs to be written by the Victors. :-)

[@plangbro]

John Keegan's The Face of Battle. A truly great, and influential book. He examines the mental battle, which must be won before the physical battle can take place.

[@Billb9I3]

Genius move by the Jews, with the pagers. Awesome

[@dianamariewells1437]

To whom it may concern, Thank you for this channel does. It is appreciated. Would you consider a Rumble channel as well? KZbin has gotten ridiculous woth censoring. Im so very tired of it. Thank ypu kindly. 2cD

[@brendavasquez2800]

I will watch anything with VDH.

[@clippership8381]

Bill Whalen's office rocks. Mic drop.

[@TheLxjp]

Vance and Trump casually comment on the sovereign of Ukraine, that's OK, Zelensky visits an ammunition factory with the local governor, totally unacceptable... I wonder if these people understand how ridiculous th they are being

[@dimitriospapadopoulos640]

Thanks for the mention of John Keegan, one of my favourite military historian

[@obshaky]

My parents were silent generation, my older brother is baby boomer, my middle brother is gen X and Im a milenial... we cannot be more different just by the sheer amount of changes. Like between the greatest and the silent there were some changes but between GeX and milenials we have smartphones, social media and many many more things. I wonder how Gen Z and their kids will be like throwing in AI into the ring. Great episode, you should do one for every generation and close the series with how the future might look like.

[@corrinnereynolds4091]

Another fantastic discussion. Love you guys

[@stevebainbridge310]

Great discussions from very wise and stimulating thinkers. There is a positive view for the future!!

[@geraldashton8589]

Watching from the uk. Always enjoy the discourse on Goodfellows.

[@johngibson5314]

Comment by John Cochrane that the American economy is going great - has he checked out the 35 trillion debt? If my household had unlimited access to money, we'd be going pretty well too!

[@daveolssonmusic]

I want to propose the idea that in fact the true Baby Boomers are really a demographic subset that should be assigned to the years of 1946-1956. My reason is simply that the kids born in those years had to deal quite directly with the Vietnam War, whereas after that the war and the draft were no longer a direct concern for the kids born after 1956. Many of those early-born Boomers were also in or entering college around 1968, where the events of that year were so keenly felt on campus. I think that these factors colored their socio-political and cultural outlook in a profoundly different way that a late-born "boomer" like myself. I was born in 1961) In addition, my father didn't serve in WWII or in Korea, so I think his political and cultural opinions were considerably different than the older fathers who had seen military service. Likewise, perhaps his approach to parenting. I know I feel I have far more in common with people born in 1974 or '75 than I do with people born in 1956, only a few years earlier than me. I attribute this to the aforementioned factors.

[@DavidK-z8q]

Excellent points. I was born in 1963 and always said what do I have in common with someone born in 1946? I have more in common with Gen X than Boomers. As for Boomers, I think it's the fringe that got most of the attention about how they "changed the world". Annoying.

[@obshaky]

Well the Chinese already came up with that idea a while ago. While in the U.S., generations are typically divided by years, Boomers, X, Millennials, Z, etc, this is based largely on cultural, social, and economic events within set time periods (e.g., Boomers being born post-WWII, Millennials coming of age around the year 2000). In China, it’s more common for generational divisions to be marked by significant historical events, such as wars, political shifts, or major social changes. These events often define a generation’s identity. Like, those born before and after the Chinese Civil War (1944-1949) or the Cultural revolution (1967-1976) are seen as having very different experiences and outlooks. This generational division can also be tied to particular eras in Chinese history, like the Maoist Era, Reform Era and Opening-Up period in the 70s, and the current one, the rise of the digital age. So yeah, China in their usual pragmatism often uses major events or political eras to mark its generational divides, not just blocks of years.

[@FrankWood-li6ft]

Born early 62, I check all the Gen X boxes

[@strnbrg59]

Disagree. If you're male and you blow-dried your hair in high school, then you're still a boomer.

[@ykcirnhoj2225]

Yea me and my mother are boomers

[@nicglau8803]

VDH is a genius!

[@HORSEBITE]

I graduated from high school in 1968 and saw the Vietnam War constantly on TV and the newspapers during that time and after. I didn't really understand what was going on, yet I was expected to fight there. I still recall every time Johnson came on TV and said he was sending more troops to that corrupt country. What a waste. Since then I have grown to distrust politicians and the way they run this country,

[@peredavi]

I can’t blame young men who went to Canada or Australia and never returned.

[@danielsteward4063]

Thank you for the excellent book recommendations (10!).

[@brooklyn8787]

Brilliant !!!

[@TheRamsesII]

Sure, the "Greatest Generation" had more kids. They could! Everyone debates about the "best" economy in the USA in recent years, but back then, the man could work even in a relatively unskilled job and make enough money to have a house a car (maybe two), support all those kids, and allow his wife to stay home and take care of them. Try that today! Try that even with a skilled trade or a college degree. People today can't afford to have a lot of kids. And wouldn't take nearly as good care of them if they did. Both spouses have to work in today's economy, so no one staying home to raise them, and most of the daycare options make it even costlier. I have wondered often why no one ever seems to point this out during these sort of discussions and debates.

[@druharper]

Thank you gentlemen.

[@charlesmackey8179]

Always excellent!

[@AndelaPandela]

At work we have a joke - You can make it as a carpenter if you just marry a woman who makes more money than you. I think that's the missing key to John's recipe for younger folks. Floored to see VDH on here

[@lvstarcatcher]

Victor is right

[@swissgirlie1]

Love this!!!!❤❤❤

[@F4R4D4Y]

My three books 📚 ☆Walden's Pond ☆Atlas Shrugged ☆Franz Kafka's short stories

[@antoyal]

1:04:14 I especially appreciated this discussion of John Keegan and his great book, _The_ _Face_ _of_ _Battle._ I hadn't known anything about Keegan, so it was nice to learn a bit about him. That book is fantastic; I recommend it without reservation. One of the things that I learned from it is the answer to the question, "Why in the world would soldiers in the olden days ever line up in ranks and exchange fire at short range when instead they could act like 21st Century warfighters and seemingly improve their survivability and effectiveness?" The answer is simple and nuanced, and it really changed my perspective of war.

[@svenab5850]

“What happens if they win? That’s what they do, is they fight wars. As somebody told me the other day, they beat Hitler, they beat Napoleon. That’s what they do. They fight. And it’s not pleasant.” Trump

[@justintindall9515]

It's time where we should let freedom ring again!

[@ikawtubo1968]

Wow Hanson, Trump LOVER!

[@Luckydog557]

Great show. Victor is the best !

[@aprobstayahoo]

Cochrane sure has some weird paintings in the background.

[@thecount1001]

wife or daughter's studio?

[@laurelsternberg5861]

Yeah, I can’t figure out the one on our left; quite androgynous.

[@shmachable]

I am pretty sure they are paintings by his daughter who is an artist. Love them.

[@peredavi]

Probably his wife or daughter is the artist. He has no choice.😂

[@justintindall9515]

They're sweet! Get to an art museum now and then ❤

[@dongaetano3687]

Fellas - I'll vote for Lawerence Welk and the lovely Lenin sisters with a working bubble machine! I'm 74. (to be honest - lots of Brazillian and Spanish music plus the American song book. Great video and fun ending. I'll go back over the book suggestions and make a list - Thanks Good Fellas

[@alexivery2261]

When JD Vance keeps saying phrases like "I don't care about Ukraine," it is not just "radical" but it demonstrates that he is not even a decent enough person or a qualified politician to at least hide his cynical indifference to ageregious war crimes committed by authoritarian Russian aggressors in a peaceful democratic Ukraine. Btw, I voted for Trump twice. But what a poor choice of a Republican VP nominee this time. Not supporting Ukraine is a foreign policy stupidity similar to a defunding police lunacy domestically.

[@vz6365]

Nice book introduction section. Ordered 3 of those.

[@thomasburke3013]

Economic stats are not necessarily reflective of the US economic environment when class wealth difference is higher than every and dramatically skewing the numbers

[@gabrielderman974]

Please comment on Panneta and please take on Mearsheimer who is doing a lot of damage among ignorant people

[@jonathanmoore7079]

Thank you VDH for not letting John go unchecked on his Establishment garbage.

[@Opel314]

Regarding Ukraine, John Cochrane talks a good fight. That's easy to do from a distance, half way around the world.

[@MFJoneser]

All love to you gents

[@heikoderiese]

art work in the background is not pleasant to look at

[@lawrencefrost9063]

GEORGE CARLIN!! MY FAVORITE HUMAN BEING ! Great intro! And great video overall!

[@bsmithhammer]

Let's back up a sec - The Iranian proxies weren't conducting "conventional warfare" to begin with. It's just that when pressed, Israel is a lot better at "unconventional warfare" when it comes down to it.

[@kevinjenner9502]

It took Kermit Roosevelt Jr 2 weeks to plan Eisenhower’s CIA Coup in Iran, and remove their democratically elected leader Mossadeq, and install the Shah as an American puppet.

[@kevinjenner9502]

“Rise and Kill First:The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations”. By Ronen Bergman

[@vitalii3236]

Zelenskiy requested a meeting with Trump. It should be with both parties, but Trump refused.

[@user-xr9iw4ex9e]

Is there a valid reason why the West + The IDF can't take out Iran's capability to manufacture and deliver the munitions they supply to their proxies?

[@meinking22]

Boomers using "Okay Boomer" pejoratively is cringe. Just saying

[@mortenjohansen4120]

Maybe Goodfellas should discuss Trumps latest speech where he claims «Ukraine is gone» and bashes Zelenski?

[@janobrien1936]

I feel for Zelenskyy. He is trying to save his country. Give him some slack.

[@theglanconer6463]

He made hundreds of millions of European lives pretty miserable when he cut the oil flow to Europe. Many Europeans (almost all of them support(ed) the Ukraine (and we have taken in millions of refugees and sent billions to Zelensky) but went into debt by this act. Energy and food prices (and house prices because of the refugees) went through the roof. Especially the elderly and the young suffered. His popularity nosedived when this vile act became known. Dumbest thing ever, why kick your allies in the balls ? why make them poorer ? why make the people who supported you all along incredibly angry?

[@ykcirnhoj2225]

😂 😂

[@Zyzyx442]

Trump has said he will end the war on day one, which only can mean forcing Zelenskyy to accept all of Putin's demand or face end of US support.

[@chrimbus71]

Rubbish

[@tycurtin7565]

You're a fool.

[@DirkusTurkess]

VDH is the best fellow. Love that guy!

[@pengudapenguin]

Weird that you invited a guest from RT on the show this week.

[@terryllee7706]

Divorce is out of control

[@--Dani]

VDH is a national treasure

[@bogeyb200]

he does need to read up on Economics, Fed mandate and financial markets though.

[@bruceu1419]

Victor Davis Hansen demonstrated himself as easily the smartest man in the room. I usually generally support a lot of John's views, but I don't understand his pandering to the Ukraine president and some of his other contributions this episode.

[@michellebeyeler7339]

I think a lot of students went home for the summer and their Boomer parents told them to straighten up and fly right or their grandkids get the inheritance. That would be my move.

[@lembergnative7731]

My understanding is that Trump and Co didn't want to meet with Zelensky

[@irinooka]

VDH always seemed ready to throw Ukraine under the bus, since the beginning of the conflict

[@kh-vz2el]

Gentlemen one of the best GoodFellows I've ever had the pleasure to watch thank you Victor HR John and Bill.

[@AndrewBarisser]

If Niall is out then I’m out

[@JohnWillkie]

To H.R.'s comment about George Clinton "Do fries go with that shake?"

[@robertprawendowski2850]

⭐️

[@lukespencer1151]

asks "what do you admire about young generations?" answer: gives no admirations and gives advice

[@jesperburns]

25:30 That's not his business? If Trump does what he says, that might be the end of his country and people. Of course that's his business.

[@JT-qs4tv]

I thought Zelensky’s move was brilliant, far from a tactical error, attempting to push Trump to either (a) take stronger position on Ukraine or (b) erode support for his candidacy among the majority of Americans who support Ukraine. As the guy responsible for the survival of his nation, this was masterful.

[@Sarefsx]

Exactly. There is a lot of people who support Ukraine and that’s one of the most important issues for them, still believe that Trump will save Ukraine. They need their eyes opened on how Trump really feels about Ukraine and the war.

[@thecount1001]

Hanson is unnecessarily harsh on all matters Ukraine and Zelensky. it's easy to criticize and say all the things he could and should do to his hard conservative preferences, but if a gun was to your head and your countrymen were being slaughtered by the thousands and your country destroyed, you have to have to give just a little leeway in your perspectives.

[@firasbouhamdan9917]

That's exactly what I thought he was doing, he was trying to make Ukraine front and center in the election, trying to make republicans and democrats compete in who's more pro Ukraine.

[@sj4632]

Majority of Americans do not support wasting money on Ukraine...

[@LloydLaughalot]

Any evidence (polling etc) to back up that claim? I’d have thought it’d achieve the opposite: ie people’s default reaction would be ‘who does this foreigner think he is?’

[@justintindall9515]

What keeps a peoples so revengeful? The only thing is their harsh dessert environment???

[@kingcrazymani4133]

The irony of having your conversation about the Middle East interrupted by Obama’s 40-second unskippable ad to raise money for Harris and Walz…. I’m still recovering, but laughing at how much Obama could afford to contribute himself given how much he has saved in housing costs given his brilliant housing strategy. I am Metacom’s Heir. 48:20. Years ago, curious as to why Augustus had banned Horus, I picked up a copy of Ars Poetica. By page 3, given what Horus wrote, these days I would have banned him myself if empowered to do so. 1:00:00 Donna Summer. “She works hard for the money.” Two statues, one on each side of Johnny Cash. With a name like that…. In statuary room…

[@sethmoffitt7813]

Victor Davis Hanson would be a lot more believable if all his takes weren't exactly along partisan lines. That's what I love about General McMaster, he doesn't just tow party lines he's perfectly happy to run counter to the doctrine if it doesn't align with his perspective

[@naj70]

@sethmoffitt7813 Could not agree more. If he gave democrats some credit for some things - and then criticized- he’d be more credible. I like hearing him on teaching, education, agriculture, California - and seeing videos of him from circa 2001-2003 - when biases were less developed. I could argue that when you have a large following - you serve up nightly what they like (and want) to hear. I share this: his voice is comforting (avuncular)… it can send me softly off to sleep - quickly (and that’s all high praise). Over last 4 years - always liked Victor as guest on GoodFellows. HR… “where is the national interest?”.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

The Democrat party is a corrupt criminal syndicate and a clear and present danger. Cope harder.

[@jameslowder7682]

Seth, I cannot alway agree with VDH or any other analyst, but there is nothing at all wrong with Professor Hanson, and I sure as heck agree with his analysis in this segment! Can you find a flaw in it? Why not criticize his ideas instead of disparaginging him personally? Neither Hanson or McMaster are sycophants, nor are Ferguson, Cochrane, or Whalen, and they are all smart as hell. I agree with you that General McMaster does not "toe" the party line, but he sure did a super job as national security advisor. Maybe he is keeping his powder dry? I find their perspectives to be invaluable, and I love them all!

[@aftdel]

Victor Davis Hanson’s take on Ukraine is precisely and very much against partisan lines. In fact both partisan lines. It takes courage to do that.

[@Zyzyx442]

@@jameslowder7682 Loved his book "Father of us all" so I'm a fan as well, but saying that Harris is sympathetic to Iran or Hamas untrue hyperbole and at worst a partisan lie, the pro-palestine wing of the democratic party have said they will boycott the election and have actively worked against the Harris campaign.

[@michellebeyeler7339]

Did Israel receive the $7M bounty?

[@gap6533]

It's one thing to call for a photo op with Vance, but the reality is that JD had been openly contemptuous of Zelenskyy for some time; he has avoided contact with the Ukrainian delegation at security conferences and wouldn't even attend senate updates on a previous visit by the Ukrainian president. So, I disagree with VDH's criticism; he still doesn't appreciate that president Zelenskyy is advocating for nothing short of the existence of a country and its people.

[@kevinjenner9502]

Not that the US follows it’s own laws but…It is illegal under US law to provide weapons to a country found to be in violation of International Humanitarian Law and the Leahy Act.

[@kevinjenner9502]

It is also illegal under US law to provide weapons to a nuclear power who is a non signatory of the nuclear non proliferation treaty. (Symington-Glenn amendments)….As Israel plays cute with it’s nuclear ambiguity, barring IAEA internal inspections.

[@kevinjenner9502]

ProPublica 9/24/24. “Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejects Them”

[@MacDKB]

The heart of a victim that has flatlined (aka: stopped beating) CANNOT be restarted. China's economic heart has stopped beating. The patient is dead. That will soon be the case everywhere. No amount of stimulus will restart it. Right now, the heart is fibrillating. But soon it's going to stop entirely, due in no small part to the economic CPR & shocks that have been applied to it...

[@ashleywebb2736]

A question. Why did general mattis support the iran deal of the Obama admin?

[@tycurtin7565]

Because he FOLLOWS ORDERS

[@UberGringo]

You guys are totally in the bag for Israel.

[@Sphere723]

Victor Davis Hanson critizing Zelensky is rather disgusting. Trump and Vance have made it clear they will abandon Ukraine. What is he supposed to do? Pretend that's not true? VDH maybe should rethink which US political party he supports. Zelenksy's choice makes perfect sense.

[@aldofromsf]

VDH has never said anything bad about Putin. Think about that.

[@Matt-rw9py]

I’m Polish and the way Zelenskyy and other Ukrainian politicians have been treating Poland after everything we’ve done for them is disgusting. They’re prostitutes without backbone who will do anything for money. They will betray their best allies in a blink of an eye if they can make $5 from that. They’re really shortsighted and it will backfire on them sooner or later. Let’s also not forget that Zelenskyy made ugly comments about conservative government in Poland back in 2023 just before the elections which led to their downfall. Now we have liberals in power in Poland and Zelenskyy is playing against them as well because he hugged German money but Germans have had enough of Ukraine already and want to stop supporting them and now he’s attacking Trump. I mean this guy is completely delusional and thinks he rules the world. He’s going to have enemies all over the world if he continues behaving like this. Polish people can see it and will soon start calling for shutting his stupid mouth once and for all if he doesn’t shut up and start to appreciate the support just a little bit.

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

Unless they are going to attack Russia’s supply line in Russia how do you think they will win? Is doing so wise against a nuclear power? Too many people are in a hurry to start WS3 and see what a multi nuclear armed war is like.

[@bretrudeseal4314]

No one knows what Trump will do, not even Trump. In any case, only an idiot burns bridges to one side of a political divide that may end up in a position to control your future. He has likely badly damaged Ukraine's support in the Congress. If his gamble doesn't pay off with Harris winning, he better hope that the GOP is far more forgiving than the Democrat Party. If he had done this to them, there wouldn't be another dime sent to Kiev.

[@youngandbankrupt1101]

If Ukraine matters so much to you go fight then. Skin in the game or continue to yap and complain, while others do the fighting and dying.

[@WW_SHTFF_WW]

In the old days granny was around to look after kids...for free. When I went to school in the '70's, L.A.C.C. was $6.50 a semester. Cal State L.A. was $63 a trimester. Take all the classes you want for that cost. Point is...kids are $$ nowadays. Many people can't afford kids or even afford rent.

[@janobrien1936]

Are you looking after your grand kids?

[@ЮраЧопко-ц7ы]

They are three fulls. Zelensky went to say "thank you" to American workers who produce vital amm for Ukraine. What on Earth can be wrong with that!?

[@nuqwestr]

Boomer Axiom from the Movie "Easy Rider" - "We Blew It" - Captain America

[@richardhausig9493]

Bill, close the shades.

[@JM-vh7oc]

Wow - disagree with John - economy is only doing great for people invested in stock market -- the far more vast amount of Americans are suffering. Get out of your bubble.

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

I agree with VDH on the Ukraine President visit.

[@bradapotamus]

Hard to beat a Carlin intro

[@pplusbthrust]

Money! It doesn't seem like that long ago we were doing millions (it was a lot). Now we're are doing billions and it is (a lot more). Are we close to trillions yet?

[@justintindall9515]

So that the broader public can be free❤❤❤ To think and be logical. Where's John Locke when you need him?

[@schnauzerloversmom]

Of all the nations of the world, is it not obvious why the majority of Nobel prizes have gone to Jews?

[@nba25678]

It is all about Iran. They’re responsible for all the turmoil in the Middle East, period.

[@Lizardo451]

Would you guys put your book lists in the notes.

[@DuncanCorchero-n3n]

Domenic Shore

[@calvincoolidge6627]

Three more boomers telling us that the economy is great. Wonderful

[@averagejoe1773]

Hahaha

[@sethmoffitt7813]

John Cochrane saying if you get a job and keep a job you'll be fine is totally disconnected from reality, with how fast things change showing up every day to work is no guarantee of a stable career, and even those who succeed will mostly be unable to afford a house

[@aprobstayahoo]

As Thomas Sowell might say, "Compared to what?" (Sowell is from the Silent Generation.)

[@LloydLaughalot]

@@sethmoffitt7813in the U.K., in 2024, you can be in full-time employment (on minimum wage) and still not be able to accrue any wealth (savings / buy property etc). In the 1990s that was a possibility (all things being equal).

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

On the exploding electronics, can this explode global trade? I think this along with AI deep fakes could really erode trust.

[@steveabell8946]

Thank god Trump hasn't hosted a foreign leader. Right Vic

[@justintindall9515]

I'm not understanding the stupidity? Being an economics major, John let me understand where the economic vs social thresholds diffuse?