Towing with my Ford Lightning EV Pickup was a TOTAL DISASTER!

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[@richardcutts196]

I'm sure everyone (except Ford) appreciates you demonstrating Lightning's towing capacity.

[@Neojhun]

Towing capacity is huge, problem is range.

[@vincentenk4449]

You mean INCAPACITY?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@KrustyKlown]

EVs suck at Towing ... only an idiot would do it.

[@foxtrot685]

Even ford has said its not the best thing out there for towing so I'm sure they don't mind

[@KCJbomberFTW]

Just buy a model X

[@Dr_Reason]

The interior is really quiet, especially when you are parked at a charging station.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

hahaha

[@scottkamp2232]

roflll

[@glentor3]

Nice.

[@alanshaw4655]

GOOD ONE !!

[@JohnStark72]

Until it explodes.

[@Biggusdikusincontinentabuttoks]

You should do this in winter using the heater. Watch the range get even worse

[@alpacker2741]

Or in summer with the air on.

[@UnluckyUmbrella]

@@alpacker2741 AC isn't as much of an issue as the heat. EV owner here.

[@bobmorane2082]

There was a guy on tv he got the 50k mustang says it starts but car can’t heat at -15c so the windows stays frozen

[@tehScribbles]

@@bobmorane2082 What kind of desolate frozen hellscape is -15c?

[@bobmorane2082]

@@tehScribbles a normal Québec morning

[@anthonyray773]

TFL trucks did a comparison with the lighting with extended battery and a gas motor. Both towing a 7200lbs trailer. The lighting needed to be recharged at 70 miles.

[@LasVegas68]

Yeah saw that too! 70 miles. Lol

[@TheShowtime85]

🤦‍♂️

[@sportsref]

@@LasVegas68 And then there's the issue of finding a charging station that you can get the truck and trailer into! LOL

[@vert3432]

Basically, the Lightning is good for towing something off your driveway and into the road before it runs out of power

[@DG-sf9ei]

Unless you live on a hill, might make it 1/2 way up the next hill.

[@GhostlyGhille]

The range is crappy towing on all but he used a high trim low range truck.. Also he didn't put it in tow mode.. so the dte calc was way off. Basically the definition of doing it wrong.

[@chrisharris529]

@@GhostlyGhille Including my comments, drove too fast, especially in the rain, (dangerously so) and did not set correct conditions period. Ultra poor example.

[@kirkyorg7654]

lmao to true lol

[@davestir5743]

@@GhostlyGhille Not to mention how much power is being eaten up by wipers, heater, lights during a day like that. Most people forget that your Electric Vehicle comes with AC, but when it is on you eat up the battery to stay cool.

[@sdn40]

Imagine if you were in cold weather.

[@gingerman5123]

It shouldn't affect it too much. The heater is heat pump not restrictive so it uses no more power than the heat pump does while operating in cooling mode.

[@michaeljezierski3154]

Or driving on long grades

[@Random-bm7ho]

The batteries will shut down if they go below 32F, so in the winter they will always have to be heated.

[@hadtopicausername]

Not really. The batteries generate heat just from having power pulled out of them. Heating the battery is mostly a thing that's necessary to do right before (fast) charging, to speed up that process.

[@ozarkliving7263]

Exactly, folks who failed any science class they ever took making decisions on electrical engineering for the entire country

[@ginginthing]

Could see this coming before these things hit the road. A lot of hype behind most of these EVs.

[@amramjose]

THe Li-ion batter technology is terrible. There has to be something better in the works!

[@ginginthing]

@@amramjose Elon and others are working on a better battery all the time because they can see the downside of these Li-Ions, but it might be a while before a better one is invented. One that is safer for the environment and will charge more quickly as not to overwhelm power companies as much as these Li-Ions. Plus some big auto companies like Toyota are still investigating other cleaner forms of energy like hydrogen.

[@may_god_save_us]

@@amramjoseyeah it’s called hydrogen

[@hastabyebye]

@@ginginthing Sodium ion (salt) according to Elon yesterday.

[@theparkerfamily7153]

I like how you cant reliably predict your distance, and its subject to change with the weather and minimal weight introduced. We all know how good people are at planning, cant foresee any issues with this.

[@msmith_364]

Probably would a been a better test of using the model a to tow the lighting

[@BobWiersema]

That's the test I want to see. It may be slower but I bet the range is better. And you don't have to wait for it to charge, just dump fuel in it.

[@MikoOhneHose]

Can you purchase a dictionary and then start writing comments?

[@michaelsimmons261]

@@MikoOhneHose you have to know how to spell the word to look it up....is this poor grammar?

[@MrCheesywaffles]

Um, it might pull it... but would it have the braking power to stop it in less than a mile?

[@cruzin1383]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@davec.3198]

TFL truck tested the larger battery F150 and they made it

[@OmegaTou]

At least with a 7-gallon fuel tank you could fill it up in less than a minute. 🤣

[@TheWabbit]

My 96 F250 4wd w/7.5 gas and 5 speed got 12 mpg in 2wd and 8mpg 4wd it didn't matter if I was towing or not, those numbers were constant. Weirdest thing ever! Even towing 10,000 lbs which I only did once it got 12 but I could tell I had a load on the back. It had 2 tanks for a total of 34 gallons I believe. Less than 100 miles towing is insane!

[@ryane6719]

They were towing 6500lbs

[@davec.3198]

@@ryane6719 Which isn't crazy. It's a boat, tractor, firewood, ect.

[@kyleh3615]

@@ryane6719 if you're towing anything really worth your time. It will be atleast 6500 but I'd expect a brand new truck to do twice that and maybe loose 30% of available range The EV market is just way out of its league

[@jonathondoe7078]

This is hilarious! I suppose it's time to add some fine print to the truck's ads: "Your towing mileage will be absolutely abysmal, so plan on using a friend's truck with a regular internal combustion engine."

[@allthingsharbor]

Once we are all forced into EVs, there will be no leaving home for any meaningful distance. What a great control method !

[@jayasmrmore3687]

I’m sure the issue will be fixed by then. Chargers are getting faster too.

[@caseymcclinton9548]

I keep reading EV's are going to be an ecological disaster!

[@robertwhitfield6591]

The EPA and Democratic Party can try all they want. There’s just not a high enough demand for EVs

[@davecasey4341]

Especially when you realize they can shut down your ability to charge your vehicle remotely. Say something bad (but true) about Joe? "We're sorry, your ESG score has dropped to a level that negates your ability to use a simple function as the electrical grid. Have a nice day." Don't think it will happen? Some people think the book, 1984 is just a fiction. The Dims think it's a manual for the future.

[@paulapostolos7446]

Just like us semi truck drivers were forced into semi's that run on DEF for cleaner diesel Emissions. That caused us to deal with higher operating costs because those system are high maintenance.

[@eh139]

Maybe if the windshield wipers were turned off, the truck might get a few more miles 😂

[@amarreder6241]

And no radio

[@JAMessinaJr]

@@amarreder6241 "Does it have bluetooth?" "Yeah, but don't use it unless you are planning to not drive anywhere."

[@7633J]

😆 winner

[@RuralTowner]

Not driving 70+ mph (unless posted otherwise) as well

[@arekpetrosian4965]

@@RuralTowner That is the legal speed limit in a lot of areas. If the mileage is going to be so incredibly bad just because of that, Ford needs to redesign the Lightning.

[@minu1764]

You should have towed the lightning with the model A. You'd have a better milage.

[@Kni0002]

Tow the lightning with the raptor

[@Leo137156]

That's just soooo funny. You nailed it!

[@GH95660]

😂😂

[@atomictyler]

you'd go further, possibly, but you most definitely are FAR more efficient with the lightning. Before towing far distance with batteries is possible it's going to take some new battery tech to come along. They're great for going short distances and tow better than ICE vehicles, but can't go far.

[@markhayhurst3017]

The Model A is better looking

[@XxxXxx-br7eq]

I've seen a decent amount of car wizard content over the last few years but not every single video but I must tell you that chuckle he made after he said he wanted everyone to hear the horn was awesome and such a genuine moment you can tell that he's such a good dude

[@nozrep]

yes!

[@1oxyoke]

​@@nozrepBest part of the video.

[@robbywilson6729]

I would be ecstatic to have an EV that checks all the boxes for both work and play, but they are clearly not there yet, and at the prices they are demanding for these trucks its simply not a practical choice for most people who actually use a truck like a truck.

[@porterwake3898]

It will never be there. The laws of thermodynamics are set in stone. You can't beat them.

[@miboatwake2]

Now imagine the temperature is 15 degrees out, your range just went down another half

[@justintime41776]

In a perfect world we all have 100 solar panels, a battery system to store energy and electric vehicles that go 1000 miles on a charge. Common sense tells us only the rich can afford it but they're busy flying around in their private jets. It's a scam.

[@TheGreyGhost_of43rd]

💯💯💯

[@Hj61S827]

Toss In a Colorado 10,000ft mountain pass and she’s toast

[@miboatwake2]

@@JohnDoe-lz5un and when your stuck somewhere, you'll need a portable generator powered by, you guessed it, gasoline, to charge the battery

[@DG-sf9ei]

Better yet, what about no range at all, stuck somewhere to freeze to death with no cell service.

[@franciscodanconia4324]

Getting 25% of total range while towing has been par for the course with every test I’ve seen of the Lightning.

[@mysock351C]

With IC engines, the efficiency is so poor that you don't even really notice too great a difference since so little of it actually makes it to the wheels. With these electric vehicles its betting the entire farm it will be able to use things like good electrical efficiency and regenerative braking in stop and go traffic to help it save face. Out on the highway with a big box dragging along behind it? Nope. It'll suck juice faster than someone's AC out in the middle of the desert.

[@icosthop9998]

@@mysock351C LoL True

[@eddiewillers1]

Wonder what would have happened if Hoovie had limited his speed to 55mph? Makes me think there's going to be 70s-style national 'double-nickel' speed limits coming soon.

[@h8GW]

@mysock351C Hurtful, because it empowers scum trolls, but still true(unlike the OP).

[@Jcewazhere]

Check out Transport Evolved's video on it. They went from Oregon to Colorado and back while towing. The guy in this video glossed right over how he was getting better than 30mpge while towing in the rain going over 70mph. Empty, like how he said most people will be driving it most of the time, he was getting 70mpge or better.

[@vanillaexplosion99]

What happens with the range when the truck ages six or seven years? How much would a new battery pack cost?

[@davehulett5612]

ford warranties that the battery will still deliver 70% of original capacity up to 8 years or 100,000 miles. If you follow charging recomendations there is no reason the battery shouldn't last 10 years.

[@DrJoel-is3uy]

Ya I don’t know bout that better wait and see I know ford wants these things to be successful but I bet the pack at least in the higher range model gotta be over 30k and you won’t be able to afford not to replace it the trucks are 80k

[@AnaLiBox]

All EVs bought today will be dead in 10 years or less

[@darvinwallis8556]

After reserving on day 2, I just got the email to order my Lightning. Instead of the 40k Pro I had decided to order, now, the CHEAPEST option is $74,474. The Pro and XLT are marked as 'unavailable'. This was a bait and switch scam by Ford. I'll be sticking with RAM in the future.

[@user-ld6wo4rv8h]

You think dodge will be any better???

[@aguyandhiscomputer]

Add an 10 ft tall x 8 ft wide travel trailer behind it and all this falls apart even faster.

[@jg8263]

This even applies to other Ford products (and towing performance in general), for example the Ranger supposedly tows up to 7500lbs, but the fine print on the Ford website says max frontal sq ft of a trailer for the Ranger is 55 sq ft. So 7500lbs of lumber on a low trailer is OK, but only pop up and teardrop campers apparently. As you pointed out, even a small travel trailer of

[@JohnDoe-qz1ql]

pffff...

[@americancitizen4259]

TFL truck did a test on the Ike gauntlet.... It was ugly!

[@jg8263]

@@JohnDoe-qz1ql Seriously, that is what Ford lists as max frontal area on the current Ranger, probably so they can turn down warranty work. I am sure the Ranger is capable of exceeding that value, but nonetheless, Ford says 55sq ft is the max. Here is a capture I just made from Ford's own towing guide to the Ranger: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2SzeauZnMSsbsU

[@JohnDoe-qz1ql]

@@jg8263 What the hell are you on about? I never denied anything.

[@Pierson116]

I would have laughed my ass off if you had hooked the trailer up to the Raptor and towed the Lightning back.

[@zenithperigee7442]

@Pierson, it would've been the best if he towed the EV back with the Model A... 🤣

[@jessetippett8886]

Put the model T in the back of the lightning load them on the trailer and use the Raptor to pull it all back.

[@jessetippett8886]

@@zenithperigee7442 with the smaller battery the lightning weighs somewhere around three tons I believe is what I read somewhere. I don't know if the model T would pull it but that would be cool if it could.

[@BAYAREAMX]

That’s funny. Although that’s more than the raptor is rated to tow.

[@jamiejames6150]

Perfect idea 💡 Einstein!

[@888Longball]

Now, if the battery gets low enough, you can tow the lightening with the Model A. 😂😂

[@ralphcantrell3214]

Apparently EV's are not worth a toot for towing. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@brianadams429]

No vehicle ever gets better mileage while towing. Fu*k all those battery turds. The gm one didn't get far from the dealer before it had to be towed back.

[@reno145]

Given a choice, I will take the ‘30 A pickup without a second thought.

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

Same! I would sell it then buy a Model S Plaid or another electric car!

[@michaeldeloatch7461]

I thought the pickup he left behind would end up towing the EV and the model A at the same time to save the day.

[@ronnielester2933]

Absolutely!!!!

[@kw2519]

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 🤮 For the Tesla. Also, I can’t imagine that model a is worth more than $60k in perfect condition.

[@cmontes7961]

That's good because you won't be able to but a new gas car very soon.

[@Gonzo.S.Thompson]

I'd like to see this test in the hills and mountains.

[@dabigkahunacatfish2992]

l'm sure you would be looking at 1/4th of what he got here on flat ground. 50 feet or 15 minutes, which ever comes first. Don't get me wrong, l love Fords but not this POS!

[@Mike14G]

Better be a small hill and mountain. You’ll never make it back.

[@justinhelsley5241]

I was thinking the same thing! That was on the highway and it did that bad, I couldn't imagine it going up a mountain.

[@rackets001]

As long as there are several charging stations along the way, and you have a few days to kill... 😆

[@TheSulross]

would need to be sure to have a towing service lined up to come get both the EV pickup and its trailer

[@atedejong5620]

I had to transport an item of 70 pounds in a tesla, with me and a co-passenger. it directly decreased the range with 50% (double the mile/kwh then without it). I actually testes also the trip towards it, and then the trip back! More or less if you drive with 4 persons on board you get half the mileage from your chargeload!

[@tonyvillarreal1477]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for saving me from a bad decision.

[@Godblessuss]

before this you thought a ev was a good idea?

[@dannyo-dizzle6579]

@@Godblessuss not all EVs are a bad idea. I agree for this scenario they are.

[@samuelshin593]

Liberals so stupid they don't understand air is made of 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, and 1% Hydrogen with 0.05% CO2. To top that off, 99.999999999% of 0.05% of CO2 comes from microorganisms. Every square inch of Earth is microorganisms. Why do you put food inside freezers? Cold temperatures prevent bacterial growth. Same thing with Earth. Temperatures go down, bacterial growth goes down than CO2 goes down and vice versa. Look at any global temperature graph of Earth in billions of years. Temperature always had cyclical change. Always!!. Liberals soo stupid they don't understand what the sun is, which is a fusion reaction of two different isotopes of hydrogen tritium and deuterium overcoming nuclear bonds with gravity, which is extremely inefficient and causes temperature to change.

[@karlsmith2570]

@@dannyo-dizzle6579 maybe not a bad idea for in-town or short-range driving, but definitely a bad idea for any kind of long distance driving

[@TenFalconsMusic]

Note to self: "Don't buy an EV truck to do truck things." Thanks Tyler!

[@pstoneking3418]

My platinum will do everything that my 2014 F150 could do and much much cheaper without requiring any maintenance.

[@NorthernChev]

Don’t buy THAT truck. The rest of the EV market has nothing to do with THAT trucks super poor performance in this test.

[@samuelrudy1697]

@@NorthernChev no all electric vehicles are pretty bad at towing

[@Jim-MT]

@@pstoneking3418 ~ No maintenance? Are you joking or just don't know anything about vehicles?

[@chucksherron]

@@NorthernChev watch TFL test towing with a Tesla. Same sort of results.

[@TheWabbit]

Can't wait to see winter and snow performance numbers on these.

[@ICEMAN99TURBO]

😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅

[@Papachristou1177]

Lolz

[@TheWabbit]

@@CzechDog2022 but the cold weather affects battery performance along with snow requiring more energy to drive through. I would hope the battery and motors are sealed units so salt and slush doesn't degrade connections and performance.

[@addikotter4351]

yeh, after 25 years of michigan winters like a normal f150. bet they both turn to rust powder just as fast except the gas one will be worth scrap, and not cost extra to dispose of safely. fuck ford.

[@TheWabbit]

@@Steven-yl4lg I'm sure, my post was a bit of sarcasm.

[@_ROADRANGER]

How bad would it be with the headlights heater and windshield wipers?

[@edwardbach5893]

I'd like to see the effect of hauling a load of firewood (for example) in the bed as opposed to towing. Can this thing do any truck things at all?

[@leecowell8165]

Yes.. you can impress your neighbors driving an ICE truck by showing off how pretty it is.

[@Ken19700]

Well, when the battery dies you can tow it home with the Model A

[@allenc4909]

😂😂😂

[@ivanmilensky9408]

too funny!

[@anthonyfajardo8273]

😂

[@poplaurentiu4148]

@@ivanmilensky9408 Not at same speed though.. ;0)

[@murry001]

hahaha probably more reliably too

[@everettwalker9141]

Must have been those windshield wipers that used up the energy. Lol

[@HubertofLiege]

Cops in UK got rid of their EV patrol cars because the lights and sirens ate the batteries up.

[@Josh-179]

Accessories don't use the drive battery. EVs have the same 12V battery ICE cars have that power accessories. It's a tiny amount of power.

[@deiangonzales8406]

8k screen uses 60% of battery, and gives you covid...

[@guybonfiglio5899]

It’s going to take us a while to learn EV’s, we have had combustion cars for over a century. He had a jacket on, was he running the heater inside the car, that reduces range. In the cold the battery packs need to be warmed to work properly that also reduces range. I don’t know if any of this contributed to result but the computer should have been able calculate the range.

[@salvatoresaccoccio2379]

Along with the tires spinning!

[@danfarris135]

Good thing you still had a real back up truck to get home with.

[@SoylentGamer]

I think range is going to be an extremely persistant problem with EVs. EV power density is a problem that butts directly against the laws of physics. It's very hard to get much more energy dense than we are now, batteries don't progress like semiconductors. Lipo batteries are lipo batteries, it doesn't matter how small the parts are, it'll holds the same charge per kg as any other lipo.

[@vorpalinferno9711]

Better batteries are on the way. But it will take time.

[@jakethesnake2655]

No better batteries are not on the way, they don't get much better with the tech we got.

[@zteaxon7787]

They need to just create hybrid cars with electric drivetrains until they find a way to create better batteries

[@pgr0104]

@@zteaxon7787Yeah I really don’t understand why the vast majority of manufacturers haven’t gone in this direction… especially with applications like trucks.

[@wolfsokaya]

Good thing that the EV pickups only weakness is what made pickups popular,able to work with. :]

[@kiddhitta]

That's not what made pick ups popular. 90% of truck owners don't use them for work.

[@gregorymattison6007]

@@kiddhitta I'm sorry but I find that hard to believe.

[@gravestone9831]

@@gregorymattison6007 I mean in reality, you don't see many pickup trucks hauling stuff. It's not like we all doing hard work everyday unless your job actually involves hard work. Just look at the dumb squatted trucks in the south

[@takh6806]

we have to accept that to protect our planet

[@tattooed1979]

@@takh6806 how do these EVs protect the planet?

[@truekaliban4674]

I half expected you to switch out and use the Model A as the tow vehicle!

[@whenever-199iq]

And that 100 yr old truck WILL go anywhere. And start after another 100 years. something is wrong here.

[@UltraSaltyDomer1776]

Genius comment. That deserves a reeeeee

[@michaelkhoo5846]

This is very interesting, and also obvious with hindsight. You could have 4 passengers in the cab and some tools in the back and that's 1500 lbs easily.

[@manuelg8050]

The problem is not the weight, it's the air resistent.

[@felixf4378]

The problem is not really the efficiency (amount of range lost) it's the fact that you can't fit more range into the battery pack. With a gas car you can just toss in a gas can if you need more range.

[@dtpett]

THIS. This is what most people misunderstand. With gas cars you don’t notice that much the increase in consumption because you can fit so much more range in the tank compared to batteries.

[@tomm1109]

The Rivian truck has an extra aux. battery that will fit in the tunnel. I don't see why you couldn't get some kind of generic bed mounted battery for long range trips. Even a rental battery, for times when you need to tow. Its not ideal, but if I saved $500 a month of gas driving to work and spent $500 once a year to rent a battery for vacation then it more than pencils out.

[@papaket2129]

Should’ve towed both at the same time with the raptor 😂

[@BCJDM]

Lightening weighs too much for the Raptor to tow

[@WhittyPics]

You can, just not very far

[@shmiggz]

That will be the next video lol

[@muskokamike127]

@@BCJDM nope...if it weighs around 6200 lbs + trailer 1500 lbs that's under the max towing capacity of 8200 lbs.

[@jeffsadowski]

@@BCJDM lower gear go slow.

[@larryadamski9957]

Wizard's little smirk when first told Hoovie was towing with an EV says it all.

[@nickmalone3143]

I told wizard that EVs are junk ...he argued with me .. proof is in these facts

[@Eric-zs6rd]

@@nickmalone3143 They aren't junk just not any good for towing or anything else that requires a lot of energy. They're really nice for commuter cars and running errands. The auto companies are trying to foist electric pickups on people and they'll work fine for the guys in lifted half tons with low gear ratios who want a brodozer, but not for people who tow or do energy intensive things with them.

[@Ioganstone]

EV taxpayer towing

[@Ioganstone]

@@nickmalone3143 Nah, it's just the EV crowd isn't done smelling their own farts by putting 4 electric motors on their vehicle with scant other parts and are too proud to go back to a drive train or build 4 transmissions.

[@gglen2141]

The Nissan EV sales director once told me "EVs are task specific, they suit plug in at home commuting," and as the guy said, "if you have a road trip, rent a vehicle for the job." that being a ICE engine. So pretty stupid for America to focus on EV trucks.

[@CarlOrlando]

The range estimator adjusts for the speed you are driving. Same way if your gas range adjusts if you’re going 10mph or 75mph. I really don’t know what’s so difficult to understand about this.

[@davidm4160]

a six pack of craft beer is heaviest thing towed by most people that will buy that truck

[@BrandonCRFC]

Bite me!!!! my IPA's are heavy AF!!!! and theres plenty of room for 1 thicc chic

[@drowssapma]

Or maybe some bricks for the next BLM riot.

[@ottisticotters9073]

1000s of ballots at 3am 😉

[@DonVerchi700as]

@@drowssapma Qanon WWG1WGA.

[@davidm4160]

@@ottisticotters9073 not next time.

[@shaunwilliams2595]

Hoovie, can you do other truck things? Like move a pallet of bricks of a load of dirt to see how payload effects range.

[@damianpeterkelly1234]

that would interest me too, as you loose a lot of the regenerative braking with a braked trailer plus drag

[@Jose_Pointero]

Just go watch TFL Truck, they've tested it very extensively.

[@HRM.H]

Whistlin Diesel needs to properly torture test one of these

[@WilliamFisher1]

He's not a truck channel. Go watch TFLtruck or TFLev

[@ttww1590]

TFL has done that, and done it well.

[@gabrielchartrand6342]

To all the Canadians watching this. When it's -30 and towing.... that'll be nerve-racking.

[@prblakeslee]

Very nice video with hard data. That said, over 75% of truck owners NEVER have towed a thing with their Truck. Also, Millennials overtake Boomers and Gen X as biggest buyers of pickup trucks in U.S. for first time. Millennials want EV vehicles not because they need to tow, but simply because they "think they are cool". Source: CNBC Michael Wayland editorial.

[@Mister_Belvidere]

I read an article about someone moving from Detroit to California, and they used their Rivian to tow their Mustang on a trailer. They needed 28 charging stops to go 2700 miles.

[@goingindieEN]

Interesting. With a mid size truck too.

[@ozarkliving7263]

@Simon Hsa 😂😂😂 exactly

[@BigWheel.]

@Simon Hsa at least California isn't a frozen wasteland

[@andrewreil3938]

I would have ditched the Rivian on the way and just drove the Mustang.

[@JackBeckman]

@@BigWheel. But we have heat, water, and electricity, unlike the People's Republik of Kalifornia..

[@leejones3155]

I think EVs are great for people who live in the city and don't have to travel far daily. It's not the best idea to get one if you live in rural areas.

[@jayrobert5917]

I agree, I put 100 miles a day on my 7.3 some days and live in top of a mountain, pulling a trailer

[@brownro214]

Get a 300 mile range EV, charge with solar power, and it doesn’t matter where you live.

[@misterx243]

@@brownro214 Somebody didn't watch the video and doesn't know how solar works😂

[@triangleofdeath6246]

@@brownro214 They don't really have 300 mile range. It's one thing to claim 300 mile range running your car on a dyno, its another to drive it in the real world!

[@OriginShadow]

This truck really fits the bill for most of those Americans out there driving trucks and never towing anything. Like Hoovie said, I really think that these EV trucks would benefit from some sort of transmission to really take better advantage of hauling more weight with some better gearing ratios.

[@dodgeramsport01]

Well who would have ever thought that towing with electric would be a disaster?

[@MCLIcpfan000]

Fantastic towing as long as you are driving nowhere. Hey you know one advantage anyone with one of these won't have to worry about helping someone move because you would never get there.

[@evacody1249]

For what he is towing, it's fine. Anything far, far bigger than that, and I would laugh.

[@modiste]

Hoovie - I hope this video doesn’t get demonetized so you can finally afford a second screw for the Hummer’s license plate.

[@scottbrown7415]

Just imagine what the range would be if you were towing an average 18 or 22 foot long camper trailer! You should go rent a camper trailer and test that out!

[@davidveasey3142]

@@mizzouxc3824 Just think "what-if" he purchased an Electric Class -A ??? What really gets me....to me at least...It appears to be self-evident that an e-vehicle of whatever construction will have a shocking towing load exponetially crushing the MPG.

[@rupe53]

there's a video out there just on that topic. They used a gas and EV version to tow two identical 20 ft RVs (borrowed from a dealer) and compared the results.

[@ramotinmahazol240]

TFL did that. Lasted 80 miles. Uphill it lasted 12 miles. EV is stupid.

[@jack-of-all-trades1234]

How about towing during a California blackout?

[@joshuabrunetta4656]

@@ramotinmahazol240 wait what? It did 12 miles from full charge to empty ?!?!

[@williampeacy5217]

I went into a Ford dealership and told them what I wanted to do. At the time, I was driving a GMC Sierra 1500 AT4. I towed a 5K pound travel trailer at 9ish mpg. I asked about an F-150 Lightning. They strongly suggested against it. They steered me to an F-150 hybrid that can tow 10+K pounds and have much better range in towing. Our camping destination is about 500 miles from home. It takes about 6 hours to get to it. Stopping for 45 minutes every 100 miles to charge would drastically increase the drive time. Not good if you want to do a “cross country” camping trip.

[@starview1]

The same thing happens to All EV's. Ergo put 4 people in an EV and the range will drop significantly more than in say an ICE vehicle. EV's aren't ready for prime time.

[@GeografoNerd]

The first problem of buying an electric pickup to tow heavy loads is the fact you bought an EV to tow heavy loads. EDIT: Oh, God, what have I done?

[@ozarkliving7263]

But Greta Thornburg said it would all work just fine. She’s an electrical engineer, right? She fully understands electric generation, transmission, and distribution, right? Electric vehicles are for golf courses. Fossil fuels are organic and wonderful.

[@CitarNosis317]

But why did they make an EV pickup then? People with small PP could compensate or..?

[@blckbldng]

Great Norm style joke.

[@bobdolespen]

@@CitarNosis317 It is the ultimate parking lot princess without all the insane fuel costs, sadly, that is a larger market than you might believe. It can do light towing relatively fine, if you just wanna tow a jet ski or dirt bike to somewhere local you're still OK but yea....road trip towing...fuck no.

[@drewfeld836]

@@ozarkliving7263 The ironic thing is that EV's use electricity generated by fossil fuels.

[@joshgarcia7148]

What a pain. Having to worry about range ahead of time, then losing it unpredictability while towing. I prefer less stress and more headroom in case anything goes wrong. Of course we're in Alaska, but regardless, buy a diesel, full sized spare, top off the tank and carry appropriate emergency gear and you have almost no worries.

[@manilamartin1001]

Same here in the Philippines. Roads here suck on a good day, during typhoon season I can't tell you how awful it would be driving through farm mud and seeing your battery die

[@neometalx9]

Yeah that's why I'll be keeping my diesel truck, EV is just retarded now.

[@hahzhhchebe2393]

Meanwhile libs want to force EV on us. Been saying it for some time, it won’t be practical for decades, especially on a massive school.

[@--_-_-_-74..]

How do batteries do in the freezing weather ? Or the 120 plus in Arizona ? I don't think their worth it . My friend just replaced batteries in her car it was $29, 000 Installed.

[@SI0AX]

@@--_-_-_-74.. IMO, EV is going to be the new gasoline and Hydrogen is going to be the new diesel. Hydrogen for work, EV for A-B transport.

[@jackreacher3499]

One way trip: 32 miles Capacity: 197 miles at start, 132 miles at garage, 50 miles at home. So range is 65 miles with empty trailer, 82 miles with car on trailer, for a 32 miles trip. Average speed is unknown as it also affects range.

[@JeremyHolovacs]

My question is how did you not know this? Literally everyone and their brother could tell you that towing with an EV, especially long distance, is rough.

[@mikescherrer4923]

It's so quiet you can hear the tow truck coming to pick it up from a mile away.

[@marktwain2053]

Just imagine if you're having to run air-conditioning or the heater!

[@markanthony3275]

Or going against a 30 mph headwind...or a temperature of -20 degrees .

[@bt-xv1fy]

He must of had the heater on. I have a blueitti battery generator it was 1000$ so a nice one. it can power a small window ac unit for 6 hours a full fridge for 30 but it will not power a hair blow dryer. once the heat turns on it "pops the fuse per say" and shuts off.

[@Origami84]

When something like Ian strikes, you DONT want to be in a EV. Unless you are suicidal, of course.

[@hafizwildones]

No one realized the name... Mark Twain?

[@That70sChannel]

Especially in traffic.

[@pauld.b7129]

To be honest, if you're real about towing, most vehicles lose alot of MPG even if the load is light. My 4.6l V8 get 19 on the highway normally, but add a trailer and it can be as little as 10-12 mpg. This is why people have diesels, because they're great at maintaining efficiency under load. This seems pretty expected to me, but the companies have been wildly optimistic with their figures. To be fair though, most manufacturers don't give ratings for towing mpg....

[@kevinheise7]

Finally! Someone testing a truck in the way that matters. Thanks! Also, the RAM 1500 with a 5.7 is good for 230 miles while towing 12,000 lbs

[@Bierdaddy1]

You have a massive gas tank, no hills, that’s mostly highway mileage or your incredible 5.7 gasser gets 700+ miles per tank of gas. Not doubting you, but need more info. My ‘07 Tahoe’s 5.3L towing my 6000 pound boat & trailer drops my mileage by 1/2 or 2/3 depending on the grade of road. I’m also literally surrounded by hills, 6 of which are in 2 miles before I reach an interstate highway. 😆

[@pauld.b7129]

Must cost over 100$ to fill though. You're getting maybe 10-12 mpg. I've got a 4.6 Ford and towing basically cuts mileage by at least 30℅

[@HaveBlue08079]

Next episode: Welcome to Hoovie's garage where today I'll be doing the unthinkable - towing a Ford Lighting with a Model A!

[@allanallan4791]

Thats the next video ahahaha

[@jstring]

Criminally underrated comment

[@michaelcoonce6694]

Probably would have had better luck using the model a as a tow vehicle

[@craighatch3221]

😂😂😂 👍

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Was thinking the same thing.

[@ourpetsheadsarefallingoff6654]

That old ford pickup is absolutely beautiful

[@JohnSmith-qq7yw]

And you're driving on the flat terrain. Imagine towing that truck through mountainous terrain. You would probably only get 30 miles going over big mountain passes.

[@fool4wheelin]

EV Batteries struggle to match the energy density of Gasoline. The standard battery in the Lightning F-150 is 98 kWh, which is equivalent to the energy content of 3 gallons of gasoline. Regardless of the low energy density, the F-150 lighting has a standard range of 230 miles on a charge, which is equivalent to 77 mpg on gasoline.

[@michiganpowerwashingpros9093]

Literally had an argument with a dealership in regards to our needs and how inefficient these would be for us especially in the winter.

[@thisishowiedewitt76]

Why would you “argue” with a dealer about that? That’s just stupid. They don’t care which vehicle you buy from them as long as you buy a vehicle from them.

[@TheEnd-eg6wq]

@@thisishowiedewitt76 Lol, you really have no clue do you?

[@michiganpowerwashingpros9093]

@@thisishowiedewitt76 How is it that no matter what you say on the internet someone finds something wrong with it 😆 Fact is, was a dealer displaying a truck on a video feed. Point was the truck in ev form couldn’t handle or haul for the reasons displayed in this video nor would it be capable of handling a 3k lb skid of ours or a 10k lb trailer when the ratings and ranges were brought up and commercial use mentioned. Hope this helps understanding the context I didn’t feel was necessary.

[@albandrejaj]

Imagine that. That stupid sales person is inexperienced and pure poop

[@David-ys4xb]

@@thisishowiedewitt76 They have incentive to pitch EVs.

[@jolee2433]

Imagine the range after you've owned the truck for a couple years then how much for a new battery down the road

[@maya_coqsalonga]

The new battery that all EV manufacturers warranty for at least 8 years or more?

[@toddsalmon6541]

If the claimed battery life is proportional to the claimed battery range, you might get 4 years out of a battery. Thank goodness for warranties.

[@YoungSandyGray]

or in the cold winter months.

[@jeremy8715]

Regardless of the warranty, the battery degrades over time. Just like in our “smart” phones.

[@timdeleij7105]

@@maya_coqsalonga so after 8 years the truck goes to the junk yard. My 2006 chevy is still worth 7 grand in condition it is in now. You can't pay me enough money to buy a 10 year old electric truck. The used market will have zero value adding to our waste when we chuck cars and trucks away after 8 years due to 20000 battery replacements

[@therealfactor5726]

The Edison motors truck is a great compromise, it has all the torque from the electric motors but the Diesel generator brings back the range.

[@vladimirgontcharenko2825]

I drive Pacifica phev since 2017 have lots of friends with teslas and other bev brands. Anyone thinking of going electric must know: towing, cold weather, going uphill, having lamps, heater , wiper on at the same time reduce your battery performance by 50% at least. That makes going somewhere in winter or towing smth super problematic.

[@DiscoGreen]

Imagine getting stuck in traffic in the snow for 3 hours

[@craigirwin4771]

And not able to turn on the heat. 😝

[@brucesmith9144]

Imagine being off road with it and the battery is discharged. Good luck with that.

[@DiscoGreen]

@@craigirwin4771 I'm Sorry Dave, I'm Afraid I Can't Do That... lmao. Or if you live in Alaska or out in country.

[@timrankin8737]

Just get out the old diesel generator and charge that puppy up.

[@billpetersen298]

Stuck in traffic, is where EV’s shine. You only need, a tiny bit of power.

[@OzarksWildman]

He’s probably missing the 7.3 Excursion lol!

[@ianmacdonald4163]

If you haven't yet look up a video of someone flooring one and recording the fuel gauge.

[@theowl2044]

@@ianmacdonald4163 still longer range than the EV

[@bubba99009]

@@ianmacdonald4163 fuel guages fluctuate all the time as the fuel sloshes around that's not actual fuel consumption

[@tikiman48]

@@bubba99009 yep especially in old fords

[@IraqVet0608]

@@theowl2044 and a lot faster to “refuel/recharge”.

[@matthewgaines10]

The real story is the amount of surprise in the loss range due to towing.

[@MARedleg]

No thanks, I will stick with my 2016 Colorado Z71. It still looks and runs great and best of all it's paid off. I can two up to 7000 lbs and never experience "range anxiety". Last year I towed a friends car on a dolly for about 640 miles and averaged 14.6 mpg. The total weight was 3800 lbs and it was a pleasant experience. Empty, my truck will go over 400 miles on a full tank. Plus, the EV F150 base model is more than half my annual salary so it's too pricey for me. It's a good feeling driving a vehicle that is all yours.

[@madeinfoxtrap5539]

Looks real promising for EV semi haulers moving TONS over long distances….

[@JonR_1138]

Edison motors has a good solution for semi tractors.

[@rockguitarist931]

@@JonR_1138 or you could admit that EV's don't work as well as the Lefties want them to

[@timmbos]

Can you just imagine what that monster battery costs in the semi? I'm guessing at least 100k!

[@kanehorath7222]

@@JonR_1138 I bet it’s nowhere near good enough though

[@JonR_1138]

@@kanehorath7222 here's a link to their KZbin page. They're still testing but it looks promising. Basically the truck is battery powered but it carries its own electric generator to recharge. kzbin.info/door/UEzfzqf2fx3C1vs0MlgShA

[@superhawk20002]

Should have used the Model A to tow the Lightning. Everything would have worked out better.

[@702Jeffrey]

ROFL best comment

[@capricetony]

😂😂😂😂😂lmao 👍

[@Jcgordon73]

Maybe a closer to fair comparison, the f150 is first in a way also, right? Not one of a million cranked out a year like the 100 year old Ford gas vehicle, right?!

[@MistyPhantom]

I'm in the market for a truck to tow a horse trailer, definitely marking an EV OFF my list.

[@davehulett5612]

as you should!

[@madbug1965]

If that were a gas pickup that is not much of a load.. As a former farmer I don't see how an electric pickup is going to be practical. Farmers drive out to remote arenas towing all sorts of trailers. No way will this meet their needs.

[@LEGIOXIIIG]

I can just imagine the Ford executive team watching this video, having heart palpitations...and the amount of work their PR team is going to have on its hands.

[@starguy9]

They truly don't care. Ev vehicles have been decided on by powers greater than them. It has nothing to do with anything other than controlling where and what people will be able to do in the future.

[@spaceflight1019]

The latest is having to blow into a breathalyzer to get permission to drive your car even if you're not an alcoholic.

[@michaeltucker9993]

@@starguy9 BINGO!

[@robaudi20v]

@@starguy9 100% correct

[@jbrovage]

LOL. it's funny you think this is their worry. they will sell every one of these they make. 90% of the F150 market is for folks who never tow. it's an American status symbol; doubly so as an electric.

[@ragnardanneskjold7675]

I find it funny that the switch to EV's is supposed to be about efficiency and saving the environment and the first thing auto manufacturers do with an EV is make them do sub 3 second in some cases 0-60 times and cost 80-100k when they could be built with more moderate performance in mind and higher mileage to charge while costing less for the general population.

[@GT-bz9nc]

Performance is exactly the reason I bought the Model 3 Performance edition. The environment will take care of itself, but 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, wicked handling, and cool software are what makes an EV worth every dime.

[@davejagodzinski7817]

Go to a boat launch lake Saint Clair Michigan. Bring a couple of pre-rolls and a six pack. (Consume/buffer if it feels good) Sit back and watch, then tell me what a Lightning brings to the table. Many long-range tow packaged pickups struggle in many different ways and fail to land the boat it launched.

[@casualcausalityy]

They're fantastic vehicles, as long as you don't drive anywhere

[@blankeny]

Being an Electrical Engineer, this is just heart breaking. But not unexpected. Battery technology just isn't there yet.

[@spooderdoggy]

No knock to you miss. I’m sure your a great electrical engineer. The issue at hand is Ford telling the public this truck gets X amount of range, and in the real world the range is nowhere near the claim. Our government in the United States is pushing EVs and high gas prices and no one is happy. Hoovie surprises me because he bought this truck like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and all I heard on alternative media is the truth about EVs, their real costs, and limited range. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I guess what I’m saying is maybe you would be a better electrical engineer for Ford than the ones they got. Consider applying there because you seem to have more sense about the reality of EVs than them. 🤔 Have a good one. 🇺🇸

[@0HOON0]

Well, Hoovie did buy the small battery.

[@chubstheclown]

Battery tech is further along than this video suggests. The guy chose the F150 lightning with the smallest battery pack.

[@abelq8008]

There shouldn't even be a small battery pack, it's going to spread alot of bad P.R. for Ford if they sell a toy version of their flagship truck.

[@cujoedaman]

California says it's good enough, they're making gas engines illegal.

[@paymaker11]

Cold weather test and towing a set of sleds would be a nice test!

[@johnberry2877]

Nice test…😂😂😂 laughable here in Michigan ! What a freekin joke !!

[@MrShuntking]

This is/was a cold weather test. The moment you take one of these EVs out of the perfect sweet spot for temp you instantly lose range. It only gets worst the further you move away from that sweet spot. A fabulous Canadian Winter day you would see 1/3 of the range gone just because it happens to be -10c outside. The dirty side of EVs no one wants to really talk about. BTW extreme heat like in AZ and Texas where you see days above 100c also destroy the range.

[@Enonymouse_]

I think you'd see an even more dramatic loss, probably leading to you being towed home.

[@sluggo2014]

Or nuclear winter, cuz that's a thing now. The radiation might even help.

[@jaredkelly930]

You’d be screwed in Wyoming, there’s places you can easily go 80 miles before you see another town.

[@rocketboostjump]

Installing solar panels on top of the truck cabin should do the trick😄

[@jonlebon7106]

It’s never going to satisfy the contractors like myself who tow big and up mountains etc. It’s simply not practical. It’s an expensive electric Home Depot picker upper

[@hymns4ever197]

I didn't see if it had a hitch, but maybe he could have used the Raptor to tow the Lightning. It was probably narrow enough to fit on the trailer, and the Raptor likely had plenty of towing power. A sight we will likely see more of in the future. 😀

[@oldbloke135]

From the crunching noise it made when he squeezed it, I think the Raptor would have broken in half if he had tried that.

[@nathanbrinkerhoff5886]

It does have a hitch receiver.

[@drowssapma]

@@oldbloke135 Yeah, no. That 6.2 is bulletproof. That was simply the cab corners...common on the F-150s. If you went with the towing capability, well, there you would have an argument. Raptors need some suspension goodies to really tow since the travel on those shocks approach almost 1ft.

[@lapinebob]

So, I see every EV pickup will need to tow an auxiliary pickup on a trailer to make sure they can get home after work.

[@padraigrab08]

Diesel Generator option will be available soon. It will sit in the frunk 😲

[@ic1815]

Where did you get that info from? I can’t find anything on that.

[@vibingwithvinyl]

@@ic1815 I'm quite certain that was a joke.

[@gpaje]

@@ic1815 Think he is joking. There will be a power generator option, but in the shape of a truck bed tool box.

[@kalashnikov1343]

@@ic1815 The wonderful source of boundless knowledge... Known as 'common sense'.

[@privateparty4900]

Diesel Electric might make a lot of sense. Winning combo for trains.

[@lannynavitka8949]

My 2002 E350 6.8L that I bought for $7500 ten years ago still runs flawless with only regular maintenence, gets 14 Mpg no matter what amount of weight I put into or haul with it, and ALWAYS feels like it's pulling nothing. Greatest tool I've ever owned. Zero anxiety.

[@tomsewell2462]

With our first stupid stimulus check back in 2020 I bought a cool E-Scooter. Which began falling apart right out of the box. With our second dumb stimulus check I bought the ultimate E-Bike, a ArielRider "Grizzly" 2 wheel drive fat bike with a reported 60 MILE range! It has had one breakdown after another. It even shorted out and caught on fire between my legs, as I gently rode along a forest road. Customer service and warranty work has been a nightmare of phone calls and emails. Xi-Nese crapola!

[@benjamincreen4496]

I would like to see that test done again in winter with the heater on, I bet you will lose at least 30% range without the trailer and with a trailer might have to charge to make it back. My ev loses anywhere from 30% to 60% range depending on how cold it is. There were times I could barely made 60 miles with a 120 mile range. When temps drop below freezing EVs range just plain out suck.

[@brandonm4913]

My boss drives a Tesla and in below freezing temps her range is cut by about 40% per her report.

[@rhyancole5222]

Your boss is a mindless follower.

[@TheSleepingonit]

So go back to gas?

[@LeanLover]

no actually he is a boss

[@JonnyBeoulve]

EV has no business being mainstream right now. needs way more research and development

[@brandonhunziker9686]

A plug-in hybrid pickup with 50 miles of all-electric range and then kicking over to a gas engine for longer trips and towing would be the best compromise. Not going to happen, but it makes the most sense.

[@JonBusey]

except you have to have an engine and a motor, transmission, and everything you need for propulsion, twice. The beauty of electric vehicles is the simplicity and lack of moving parts that generic heat and require grease.

[@flt528]

Why not going to happen? We have a plug-in hybrid SUV with 50+ miles of range (rav4) and it's fantastic. It's an EV 90% of the time and on those few occasions when we tow or go on longer trips it's a gas-burning car that gets as much as 45 miles per gallon.

[@brandonhunziker9686]

@@flt528 I wish it would, but the industry - outside of Toyota - seems to be going all-in on fully electric pickups. I could be wrong - maybe there will be a backlash because of the towing issue, which a plug-in would solve. But it seems this is where the industry is headed (although I suspect they'll be offer heavy duty trucks (F250s, etc) with big diesel and gas engines for years to come for serious work). Another issue with EVs and towing is charging. Due to the space restrictions at chargers, you'd likely have to unhitch the trailer, charge, and then hitch it up again. None of this matters if you're just going to a local lake with your boat or taking the utility trailer to Home Depot. But for long-distance towing - or just contractors who are towing a trailer around all day - EV trucks just aren't going to be practical. I own a Chrysler Pacific plug-in hybrid. I get around 30 miles per charge, enough to work and back. It covers about 90% of my driving as well. I get gas maybe once every two months - average about 35 mpg on the hybrid/gas combo. I never worry about charging and long trips are much more convenient - don't care what EV drivers say. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion.

[@ABlindHilbily]

GE owns the patent that diesel electric trains use. As far as I know that's still the standard for long range fuel efficiency. Unfortunately, they aren't licensing the technology for use in vehicles at this moment. Hopefully all commercial trucks will switch over eventually.

[@karlsmith2570]

Plug-Hybrids for be a far more practical choice over this electric BS

[@allanz00]

I like the young Hoovies' part better than the elder version , the young Hoovie is Much more animate about this extremely Limited towing range issue🤣 I'm going to have to guess the Raptor tow would Not have gone well ..

[@g.a.32168]

Nothing wrong with this, we just have to get in the habit of booking a hotel to go across town😂

[@53glowe]

Great real world test. Another test would be to put a load (e.g 1000lb) in the rear tub and see what impact that has on range. Most reviewers (not you) test EV range with only the driver on board. I am yet to see a range test with an EV carrying passengers and their luggage. I want to see this for sure👍

[@Indypacecar82]

A reviewer did the payload test with the Lightning and the R1T. I believe the channel was out of spec reviews

[@scottbrown7415]

I believe that the range is impacted as much by the aerodynamic drag and road friction as it is by the increased mass. I am not against the whole EV concept. They have a role to play in the mix of choices. But, the notion of a half ton truck EV is ludicrous given the cost and limited useability. The Ford Lightning is proof that, just like the idea of a 600 lb fashion model, just because you CAN do it doesn't mean that you SHOULD do it. I feel bad for Ford, it feels like they are hurtling down the wrong path.

[@stuc.6592]

I've got a Mitsubishi PHEV and range drops by about 10% when loaded with four people, so it's not horrendous. The real killer is cold weather - when we get near freezing I don't bother charging it as the range drops to about 7 miles (from 30) and it's just as expensive as using the engine in hybrid mode.

[@abjz71]

The fast lane truck channel did it with loaded trailers as well the results were just as bad

[@keithallen3119]

@@scottbrown7415 Look at the CEO, (Mary Barra) of GM saying all electric by 2035. Unless she knows something about battery development we don't I suspect GM won't be in the truck game. Of course we were told we'd be the Jetsons by the year 2000 back when as well. Dating myself here.

[@Richie-Rich855]

This video affirmed my decision to cancel my F Lightening order 6 months ago. There are a number of videos and articles that reveal very poor range while towing. I'll be keeping my coyote 5.0 V8 F150 until heck freezes over.

[@abelq8008]

It should be called the E-Lightning to differentiate itself from the real deal 😂

[@TheBandit7613]

It took 2 solid weeks towing cross country with the Rivian. My F350 isn't going anywhere.

[@Newoak]

​@@TheBandit7613 I wonder why amazon is ordering so many of these, and the us post office and others. Surely they know the truth... In G-d I trust.

[@artoodeetoo3064]

It's the internet. You can say hell. Heck, you can say shit, fuck, ass and tits as well...

[@TheBandit7613]

@@Newoak I heavy tow off-road vehicles all over the west. I think EVS will be really good for local work. I end up in some really desolate places. Not yet.

[@ludicrous7044]

Around 2005 there were rumors Ford was discontinuing some models. The Crown Vic was one. I decided to buy a new one while they still had some. The salesperson said to late-the only ones left are Government and Police cars and you can’t buy them! He said Ford was retooling for EVs because the Gubment said so!! I found a used 2005 with 15,000 miles. I drove it 200,000 trouble free miles and traded it for a pickup! Bad move! Supposedly in 12 years we can’t buy a internal combustion engine!! Everybody thought this was the answer started by Tesla!! We lost a lot of good cars to get this junk!! The truth being out there will be a massive surplus of EVs and used vehicles prices will go out the roof! I could have gotten a bumper to bumper rebuild for my Crown but the cast was $25,000 or more!! I was told Mexico and Canada bought the tooling from Ford and are selling as many as they can make!! The only problem is they don’t install pollution controls so they can’t be bought here until they are installed!! About $5K. The Hybrids are a much better alternative which someone will wake up and realize!! I NEVER purchase anything right off until technology catches up ! There should be some low mileage deals on EVs coming up soon!! (

[@brianmorris8045]

Maybe a set of torsion bars to your towball might have helped level the trailer for a smoother balanced ride. Whether it made a difference for the range is another matter.