Hop Travel vs Jump Stop | January 23, 2014 | NBA 2013-14 Season

♦ NBA's head of referees Joe Borgia helps us tell the difference between a hop travel and a jump stop.
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[@danhle1032]

didn't even show us what a jump stop was

[@AB-jj3em]

danh le Jump stop is landing on both feet at the same time. Instead of the same foot.

[@danhle1032]

thanks, i knew/thought that's what it was, but they're assumption that their audience did was annoying

[@Alienay8ed]

danh le I believe you can only legally complete a jump stop if you initiate it on the dribble gather otherwise it doesn't count.

[@rembrandao]

But it's impossible to land both feet totally simultaneously. One foot will always land first, so you can call every 2nd jump stop a travel. So I'd say Rondo had a travel, but Lance and Lebron were closer to a jump stop.

[@RobinXlone]

@@rembrandao its not impossible jump higher and land on both

[@MikeBrownLegend]

Those clips were the only traveling violations they called all year

[@outatime16]

so basically, land on both feet or opposite foot to avoid the whistle..

[@eye1real]

Yes

[@SoSickRick]

Basically jump up and down (a known travel) and you’re good 😂 they changed the rules because these guys sucked so badly at basic fundamentals 😭

[@doctezla]

Klay just did it vs hornets feb 23 night game min 4:49 3rd q

[@chriscarpenter5895]

I think it should be legal. U should get 2 1/2 Stevie regardless of if it’s the same consecutive foot. IMO. But I don’t have a say 🤷‍♂️

[@angrydinosaur8plus9]

agreed, haven't seen the argument for why this move should be illegal

[@achillesturner6545]

It’s pretty much legal now because of the gather step

[@RobinXlone]

@@achillesturner6545 its not its a travel. a travel is when ur pivot touches the ground after lifitng it, u cant land on the same foot ever only while dribbling

[@lxw5231]

in reality, it's very hard for a ref to judge if bath feet land at same time. so it's not ref's fault, it's the rule's problem.

[@RobinXlone]

its not tho. u should be looking at his feet and hands thats it. if he lands staggered it wasnt at the same time

[@OhYummmmp]

@@RobinXlone how they finna watch the defenders for fouls and offensive players feet at the same time

[@RobinXlone]

@@OhYummmmp that’s why they have 3 or 4 refs on the court. 1 refs should be watching the feet other refs should be watching the D

[@TheLilLeo]

so if you gather on left foot or zero step. jump and land on left foot again or step 1. then finish with right foot or step 2 is a travel. meanwhile harden over here doing double step backs n its not a travel cause they cant make up their mind on when he actually gathers the ball.

[@dt-lg2oc]

Actually a idiot

[@kyrie4451]

If you watch the game in slow-mo, every hop is a fucking travel. In most of the cases, people do not land bilaterally at the same time. You have to look at advantage/disadvantage before making the call.

[@devvv4616]

And very faulty reasoning by the refs. Just because new players are creative enough to do a new move they dont recognize they make up a new rule to not allow it. Regardless what rondo did was take his 2 steps after gathering the ball. Suddenly we have a new very specific rule to not allow what he did?

[@pCOCKPRO11]

They got DENNIS SCOTT up here like he was ever a dribbler lol

[@nicoraba]

But what if for example, you point your defender dribbling with left hand and while the ball is bouncing back to your hand, you jump with BOTH feet, right after grab the ball, land on right foot (first step) and then the second step on your left foot?

[@RobinXlone]

legal.

[@JDXOGG]

What if you go right right left on a hang dribble? Like you haven’t completely picked it up at the hop?

[@lyrictefo]

When the dribble has been discontinued the foot that last left the floor counts as your gather and the last 2 steps are your follow through.

[@pretyboy901]

Its either don't allow jump stops or do these shouldn't be considered traveling if you do because if you alow a jump stop your feet have to leave the ground again to make any shot

[@coolbeansman7677]

Anyone know what happens if you gather the ball mid air?

[@p.k.viktor]

It's a zero step when u land 🤣🤣

[@TheRoadLessChosen]

@@p.k.viktorzero step? Are you in the nba? Zero step is only allowed in FIBA and NBA

[@bobbytang5802]

What about pro skip, left, right gather then right, left shot?

[@samuelkung7736]

James Harden Harden Harden

[@neirad537]

That's not what he does. James Gather with one leg and first next feet to touch is the opposite feet. Did you watch the video?

[@novaWRX]

Does this equate to moving your pivot foot in the post?

[@fredgarvin9262]

No.

[@emaj2323]

Yes it does

[@dollar_cost_average]

after making the hop off of either foot do you always have to land on two feet, what if you land on the opposite foot? Like hop off R and land on L than R. I've heard of Jump Stop and Pro Hop and I see a lot of dudes doing it staggered and refs dont really call it.

[@lxw5231]

+Dallas Gainey then that's not a hop, that's lap up. R, L and shot. if R--L--R that's a travel.

[@dollar_cost_average]

luo XW Ok. I need a second opinion on the video where Hakeem Olajuwon is teaching Kobe Bryant post moves. In one of the moves, he does a power dribble and hops into a fade away and steps into it first with the same foot he hops with. Still confused on whether its a travel. Any opinions are much appreciated.

[@maxwelljose2241]

+Dallas Gainey on a pro hop, the first just isn't actually a step because you pick the ball up as it's bouncing, so then you jump, and whether you land on both feet or a little staggered, you still didn't exceed two steps. My friends always make that mistake and call a travel. The only way it would be a travel is if you somehow grabbed the ball while both feet were in the air, then landed, then made your first jump and landed staggered, which is way to close to call anyway.

[@EricTinkerhess]

@@dollar_cost_average Here's the video with Kove and Hakeem: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIKpZJuNmdhgjNk You're talking about the fade away at 9:53? I think that would be a travel according to NBACalifornia's hop travel video. In this case Hakeem should land on both feet at the same time.

[@mikeb8443]

This isn't a travel in FIBA ball since it is still only two steps. In Euro this move is taught under the name "Yugo step layup."

[@Kubek102]

It's is a travel. Right foot, right foot and then left comes. I know beacuse I used it myself and ref called it. It's true that with big speed its easier to control yourself with it, I did it often before dunk. Lots of practice to erase that bad habit

[@devannickelson8195]

+Ja “Zwierzak” My there's a difference between a pro hop and a jumpstop

[@matcandunk216]

the example they have given is a travel violation because they have done this yugo step incorrectly. I saw some of this from nba but they have not called it travel because they did it correctly.. You will do this by dribbling the ball on either left or right ex. right then grab the ball in the air then drop your pivot right foot then lift your pivot foot and shoot the ball. that means its only 2 step.. the video above was a travel because they acquire 3 steps..

[@matcandunk216]

the video above shows, example Lebron james, He gather the ball when his right foot touches the floor meaning it is consider one step then he hop and landed his right foot again so that is 2 step then before he releases the ball he take extra step which is his left foot. now that is his third step..

[@binwen1463]

mat merlin mazo yeah.can't agree more.travel or not it depends on the first step dribbling or grabbing with the ball.

[@enterthevoidIi]

I love this move. It's called yugo step, or yugoslavian step. I still use it, I am European and Yugoslavian and I don't care. It's bizarre to see this is now a travel, seeing Harden or James making up to 6 steps without getting called. Ridiculous.

[@JDXOGG]

Can y'all please do a video break down of the one leg step through so I can tell and show all the idiots I play with that it isn't a travel??? Everyone thinks when you have a pivot foot you can only jump straight up off two legs but you can step through with one leg and raise your pivot foot it just can't hit the ground before you pass or shoot! The only time it's a travel is if you try to dribble! Please NBA make a vid showing this and helping all the ppl that can't read the rules

[@EricTinkerhess]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4bKg6puf8qGrc0

[@johnkttraining]

Loooool!!😂😂 so true

[@papaonn]

"Yugo step should be legalized, period." --- defender couldn't cope with the creativeness of modern plays does not justify your reason of ruling out, rules work for people, not the other way round.

[@jada8991]

This is not a travel, even by rule. I am a referee and a serious basketball player. Lebron traveled. Rondo and The white Jason Williams do not travel.

[@kOoLppT191]

Nba ref 🤷🏾‍♂️ some guy in KZbin comments idk which one to believe

[@Taidaishar]

Worst segment ever... or at least the worst title. Nobody EVER mentioned a jump stop. It would have been nice for you to explain it. For those that don't know... a jump stop involves the same sort of hop, but you land on both feet at the same time instead of just one foot and it is legal. Also, stop saying that when they "GATHER" it has anything to do with a travel! Every time someone takes the ball to the basket, they "gather" and explode through. "Gathering", whatever that is, is not an indicator of traveling.

[@winniethepooh4141]

gather step is fucking travel before Leflop enter in NBA

[@edwardsranch2686]

I used to do the hop step and then take my two steps in high school.. I don’t think they ever called it

[@milowinstonsmith]

Easy. After the ball is being held(gathered here) the last foot on the ground is the pivot. It the pivot foot returns to the floor prior to a shot attempt or a pass, it is a travel.

[@patrickpickens8926]

Winston Smith you are correct under NFHS and NCAA but NBA and FIBA allow two steps after the pivot foot. They often refer to the pivot foot as the zero step but that is not a rulebook term.

[@40441gogo]

@@patrickpickens8926 this is completely wrong lol

[@ShabazzTBL]

People listen. Stop with the it was only two steps after the dribble end stuff. We get that but that’s not the rule that was broken. They made it illegal to take your first step with the foot that you land on because it’s technically your pivot foot and your pivot foot can’t come back to the ground without a dribble(that’s my guess for their thinking on it but I can’t find an explanation). So it’s kinda like an up-down. You did violate the number of steps it’s about that pivot foot. I think it should be legal because in my mind it’s different. But it’s literally illegal because they decided it is. Just how traveling is illegal because they decided it is.

[@Luw7]

Very stupid rule, there are plenty of situations where landing on same foot feels very organic and is by far the best basketball move. Been playing for 25 years and agreed with most if not all of the rule changes are good but this one is just stupid and useless.

[@neoknux009]

In all those examples its a travel regardless because they have 3 steps with the ball gathered. So this video is just confusing players and how traveling would occur. Whats worse is that they dont even include how to do a proper jump stop, that is landing on both feet at the same time after gathering on that pivot foot... which is legal.

[@joyfulnigga5438]

Not a third step when you put your foot down. Basically a pivot foot.

[@johnsurs22]

neoknux009 It should be a travel based on stricter rules, because the player is technically lifting his pivot foot after the hop. However, there are several exceptions made in the NBA rule book along the lines of "two steps before the shot." Traditionally, the two steps before a shot was really just setting your pivot foot and moving your non-pivot foot in succession really quickly. But the game is no longer called this way.

[@achiappanza]

No, the problem was he took two right steps in a row. I also wish they showed clean jump stops, like the title suggests.

[@kingzolew4967]

The crab dribble (a legal travel) was declared by the nba a legal move a few years ago

[@atlas8593]

All those players called are teammates now on the lakers..

[@fredgarvin9262]

Because counting to 3 is so hard.

[@matcandunk216]

The problem in this video is the Host, Greenberg, Scott, Borgia. They show in a video a hop that acquire a 3 step literally. All there example are acquiring 3 step that is travelling.. The very basic of basketball specially on our topic "travelling" is do not step more than 2.. The example of their hop step is illegal since the player control the ball while their foot is on the floor example, LJ he hold the ball or control the ball when his right foot on the floor therefore that right foot will be his pivot foot but he hop that right foot which is his pivot foot meaning he lift his pivot foot and not yet shoot the ball instead he take extra step with his left foot before the lay up.. so how many step, yes its 3 step.. aside from that he lifted his pivot foot which is the right foot and not releasing the ball and return his pivot foot on the floor.. Ive seen nba player doing hop step but the ref didnt call it travel.. aside from that NBA rule has no clarification on Hop Step.. But NBA has a rule that not more than 2 step should be acquired before shooting the ball or pass it. How to do Hop step..? gather the ball or control the ball while your both feet in the air, not literally jumping. when we are running there are times that both feet is not touching the ground when the other foot is landing and the other foot is pushing to run.. Right? then gather the ball in the air then the first foot touches the floor is your pivot foot then lift your pivot foot then shoot.. example.. you are dribbling on the left arm then hop step on your right foot then gather the ball, Then your right foot touches the floor first since that foot is the one you used when you hop therefore that would be your pivot foot and that is your 1st step then 2nd step is your left foot and after that lift your pivot foot and shoot or pass.. That is counted.. if you return your pivot foot on the ground without releasing the ball therefore that is your third step and its travel.. Hope this will help.. you can watch videos on nba that doing some hop step but not called for a travel because they do it correctly.. That is my reference and my instinct is my reference. Just do this and count your step.. Travel is simple make 3 step

[@user-os3ml4uu6i]

If you take a dribble on the first step then your count is reset and the others only add up to 2 so it doesnt count as a travel.

[@damonmccray85]

This is illegal but you can take a whole step after a jump stop! The hell!?

[@pedroluisdesouzaresende777]

Man i was playing with a guy that was calling my hopstep a travel and i was landing with both feet together and stopping mf was mad because he was getting cooked my skinny frame

[@user-sx4ec1ur4g]

IS up and down a travel

[@Nomorehats]

This is a shot to all New York guards. Thanks NBA California

[@hectorgarcia5814]

This is not a travel anymore right???

[@georgefranklin2430]

Didn't Michael Jordan originate the hop step?

[@Gungan1566]

haha yea wtf they don't even show a proper pro hop??? And looks like D-3 doesn't know what he's doing at the end there lol.

[@achillesturner6545]

This now all consider legal 😂

[@chemical076]

Then tell your refs to call it everytime, kids these days kept doing that

[@user-cw3yk6jz5u]

Best not koplin traven not bizenes

[@WaterfallWhispering]

they dont call traveling anyways so wtf....they cant get basic traveling y worry about this????

[@maninblack9850]

Lorenzo Valdez Exactly. They miss blatant 3 and 4 step travels all the time. Why are they taking the time to explain more complicated travels??

[@odieony7007]

when they land they then need to take off with two feet and put the shot up. is it travel because they're then taking the shot with one foot?

[@AB-jj3em]

Odei Ony It's a travel because they are landing on the same foot. If they landed on both feet at the same time, or if they just took 1 step with their opposite foot, it wouldn't be a travel.

[@ShabazzTBL]

It’s not a travel in the way that we usually think about it. So don’t get caught up on the steps and stuff. It’s a travel because they decided to make it one. I can’t find anything explaining their decision though.

[@AndrewBryanSapigaotarsonis]

Hopping is already an innovation in itself. To be safe if you really want to employ that move to your arsenal, just try your best to land on both feet. Another thing, it's a pump fake in itself and faking after that move is also overkill. Much like the dude that got called for 5 second violation despite pivoting back and forth to fake opponents.

[@devvv4616]

Their demonstrator can barely move

[@Ma1q444]

This “travel” makes no sense

[@pierrecharpentier2624]

That's not a travel wtf are you talking about??! Those are two steps, you better look a the real three or four steps layup or other eurosteps

[@robertnicholls9917]

+Pierre CHARPENTIER (magicpiero) It's actually 3. They pick up the ball on the end of the dribble, come down on the same foot, then drop the other immediately after the repeat step, which makes 3.

[@bandiera8]

'hop step' is not about two or three steps... it's about 'hop step traveling' rule..

[@kennethfoster8225]

Kind of a stupid rule lol

[@shapeshifter3017]

what if jumping in two feet then stepping left or right foot? is't a travel? thanks

[@ojmavs15]

shapeshifter 30 If you are airborne and land on 2 feet you can choose either foot to be your pivot foot. If you are airborne and land on one foot you can jump again and land on both feet. However, no foot can be your pivot. You must pass or shoot.