Horizon Hobby - Spitfire 1.2m - Maiden Flights - 3S & 4S

[@smallfieldflying4677]

Outstanding flying and camera work and a beautiful backdrop. I am about to pick one of these old planes up as a used buy - late to the party as ever!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

WOW - Where did you find one of these?!?!??! P.S. DO NOT FOLLOW MY ADVICE ON THE INSIDE HOLE OF THE ELEVATOR!!!!! We found out that it was WAY too much elevator and needs to be backed off...so might just follow the instructions for this detail. Otherwise, good luck, and enjoy!

[@smallfieldflying4677]

@@BrianPhillipsRC Thanks for the advice - bought a very good used example on E bay for almost as much as they cost new. Still very sought after models.

[@michaeltalbot8242]

What a glorious sun set to fly a spit fire in!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I totally agree!!!

[@josipvrandecic2472]

I have not seen such a leisurely (no dramatization) and good quality of flying with Spitfire for a long time ... you have been landing in three ways, and each is very good...Thank so much Mr. Brian...indeed ! Note:Missing navigation lights.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks for noticing and the kind remarks! Yeah, she's missing nav lights. I need to get on that, especially since she likes to disappear with that gorgeous paint job. Thanks for watching!

[@josipvrandecic2472]

You are welcome...go...Brian...go...:) All the best !

[@Arixodia]

Cool background with the thunderstorm. Great video

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks!!! We wish we could have captured it better, as it was pretty amazing to watch! Thanks for checking it out! Glad you're here with us!

[@Grossman2868]

Looks good Brian! I have one myself and after struggling with the SAFE and AS3X, I finally ripped it out and installed a Lemon Receiver. Helped alot!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I'm glad I could help ;)

[@smallfieldflying4677]

I am late to the party with this bird and wondered what problems you had so I can be prepared. All my other E flite AS3X / SAFE planes have been great. Does the lemon have stabilization etc?

[@jeffhenderson3318]

Fun to go back and look at all the planes I bought because of Brian Phillips. (Blondie, Spitfire, Timber UMX,. Timber 1.5, Timber and Apprentice on Floats) Equally fun that I'm now getting "Get Well Soon" cards from Bob Smith Industries, E-Flite/Horizon Hobby Spare Parts Dept, and some company on Amazon that resells packing tape.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

WHAT? Get well soon cards??!??! What's going on Jeff???

[@philjohnson1769]

Thanks for the tips Brian.. just uprated to 60a esc... cant believe the pull its got now on 4s. pity weather is to bad to fly her...:(

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Nice! That ESC will be cold, even if the Lipo get hot...you'll get some time. I think people are feeling the "itch"...spring is soooo close. We get another hour of daylight (in the evening) on 3/11/18 - that really opened back up the door to flying.

[@7demo7review]

That was CooooooL! I just got one second hand from a friend,, can't wait to try it!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Good luck! It's a good plane, but she's a handful on landings...darn narrow wheels!!!

[@lukebeckham3424]

I know I'm quite off topic but do anyone know a good place to watch newly released movies online?

[@deanroy1747]

@Luke Beckham Try Flixzone. Just google for it :)

[@demetriusalfred9310]

@Dean Roy yup, I have been watching on Flixzone for since march myself =)

[@lukebeckham3424]

@Dean Roy Thanks, I signed up and it seems like a nice service =) I really appreciate it!!

[@timbacchus]

Love your shows just wish you could use a cordless mike it would help tremendously.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I've heard this before. Sorry that we can't do that at the moment. Possibly in the future, it will be in the cards. Some videos are way worse than others.

[@traindoc357]

Mr. Brian you are an unbelievable pilot, become an instructor and get rich!!!! Would love to talk to you in person , You and that incredibly talented and most excellent camera person keep up the amazing work, there are still a few people out here that understand the level of commitment and the amount of time and work that it takes to get to the point that your at. Thanks.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thank you William! We've worked hard, and we're so glad you are enjoying some of the fruits of our labor! As for being an instructor, that would be a cool job ;)

[@kammelryder]

Nice flying Brian!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks!

[@johnconley9966]

If you could only have one would you choose the spitfire or the P51D? Or is there any difference?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Definatelly the P-51D. It flys better, and easier to take off and land, with it's wider wheel base, and I personally perfer the looks, and the flaps on the P-51D.... but my standard reply is going to stand here - Is it too much to ask for both??? - LOL - Get the P-51D, unless you're a sucker for the Spitfire. Thanks for asking - finally an easy question :)

[@Crazyrogue]

I just put a little bit of packing tape on the wingtips on mine to help with the scraping, you'll have a great landing then bloop tips a wing >.< nice maiden

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Check this out in about 15 minutes... kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6HOppqgmbagm6c

[@laseonestar]

Just got one... thanks for the great video and what a view. super..

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks! That storm in the background was really cool!

[@laseonestar]

I only did 4s and what a ride. Thx for info

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

For sure! She just kinda needs the 4S... same with the 1.2m P-47, it also need the 4S to really perform. Glad things worked well for you!

[@floridamancomedy3151]

Wow you were very risky with that prop on, back in the day..

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Not sure what part you're referring too

[@shckltnebay]

Really nice plane!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks Eric

[@lw216316]

Brian, wonderful demo, thank you for the details. I'm planning on picking up one today. Please explain in great detail your landing technique for this plane it looks like you cut throttle to maybe 20 %, keep nose level or slightly down, flare a couple of feet off the ground and cut throttle a foot off the ground ? - are you doing much with elevator or just a basic flare ?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

This plane is a tough one to land, in that it loves to ground loop :( It's best to totally grease every landing, every time.... LOL ;) ....but really, it's not the easiest one from HH, in the 1.2m size class. If you want to maintain opposition to the ground looping, keep the tail wheel UP as long as possible! It's also awesome to watch one of these beauties balance on the mains as they roll down the runway!!! I don't cut throttle above the ground, I "Fly it on the ground"...it's same for a lot of other war-birds, you gotta kinda fly them into the ground, and keep your pitch inputs VERY subtle...USE THROTTLE to change your sink rate as you feel it into the ground, but always keep power on about 15-25% minimum until you're totally committed to the landing....especially if you land with flaps like me! Attempting to "glide" in for a landing is certainly possible, but you'll get burned for sure (I know caz I've got burns all over my body from doing it ;)

[@lw216316]

@@BrianPhillipsRC Thanks, I bought the plane today and plan to try it out tomorrow - I hate ground loops and want to master tail dragger landings.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Good luck ;) You can do it!

[@MrMcorra420]

What esc are you running on that beauty?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Sorry for the exceptionally slow reply, but this is on the STOCK esc ;)

[@gazza4230]

hi brian i know you did hiss in 2017 i got one of these a yeaar ago and have re built it with new servoss esc and feww things i cant get saafe to work i was watching vids and to get it to have safe on they said you had to have landing gear up i was wondering if thats how u did yours because i see on one of your vidss you had probs getting it to work . any advice thanks gary

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

SAFE Select was fairly new at the time, so we had some difficulty getting it to work, but since then, It's been a breeze. I assume you still have the AR636B installed? If so, just follow this video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKe0ZpWVotF_bJY

[@gazza4230]

@@BrianPhillipsRC thanks brian happy xmas to you and yours

[@octane2099]

Hey I got this plane for free some guy gave it to me with out the receiver but I ordered one my question is the wires face the front and antenna to the rear?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jH6noXywhZ1mh8km31s Seems to be that the wires are plugging in from the front, toward the rear of the plane. See this link, and pause the video to get your best estimation. Also, there's a ton of other views in the playlist for this plane. I'm sure you can find another view if you try :)

[@mazpr2025]

Fly it with a 3-blade on 4S! Rudder does make them turn very scale.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I've had good luck with this plane on 4S

[@rc-fannl7364]

While I prefer the looks of the Mark V or IX, instead of the more bulky nose of the Griffon powered Spitfires, it's still a beautiful plane, and against this backdrop, even prettier.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Yes, no doubt...the thunderstorm in the background was amazing in this video!

[@eldiablo7024]

Hey Brian, Love your videos. Your collection must be getting huge. I am getting back into planes after a 20 year hiatus, just wondering whether you use a simulator at all? Regards Paul.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks Paul! I love to be able to share with anyone interested! Collection is getting a bit larger, but my picks are becoming a bit more refined, and seem to survive a bit longer :) As for a simulator, I have two, but don't really use them hardly ever. My son likes to use them, but for me, it's gotta be the "Real deal"... PhoenixRC - I got from a buddy, when he decided to move on to metal detecting??? So I got it for a steal with a package of other goodies. I use a USB to transmitter adapter for this choice. "FMS" - Which IS freeware - I use a "Real Flight InterLink Plus Controller by Futaba" as my controller for FMS. I also have a free demo version of RealFlight, which is by far the best choice if you can handle the non-plane expense ;) Hope you come back for more!!!

[@johnmcgahern3946]

Hi Brian, I just got back into the hobby after an almost 20 hiatus! I've been flying the foamies for about a month now and love them. I'm just about starting to understand how these Lipo batteries work too and I have one question about what you did in this video as I've heard mixed opinions on batteries and the ESC rating. Did you just throw in the 4s battery with the same ESC that came with the model? The reason I ask is that some people have told me that you can "burn out" that ESC if the battery voltage is too high and they recommend upgrading the ESC that can take the higher voltage. Or in this case is it okay cause you're only going from a 3s to 4s? Would love to know the answer because I do have both 3s and 4s batteries and just bought that same model yesterday, and you're absolutely right, it's a beautiful model!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You can get away with it sometimes, but other time - POOOF, it's on fire ;) They have ratings for 3S 4S 5S 6S, etc... then the current (amps) and you'll have to then balance that all against the fact that they're made in china, then compare the motor draw with the prop (particularly the aggressiveness of the pitch of the prop). It's on a case by case basis, BUT got with the stock specs and love it for a while, then move up if you're willing to fry it. You can also get a "WATT Meter" and test the load on the bench. They're not super expensive, and I use it from time to time. Some people get out graph paper and make schematics - I don't, I have a life (LOL! You know that's not true, as you can see my 1000's of hour long videos....)

[@johnmcgahern3946]

Brian Phillips thanks Brian!6

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

sure thing!

[@malcolmdavies2]

What make is this and where did getit from

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

This info is in the title, and the description will show links (in most of my newer videos), but here's the info you requested... Horizon Hobby (Eflite) - Spitfire BNF 1.2m - amzn.to/2H7wW89

[@sky1HF]

Have you had any problems after running 4s for a while on the stock motor and ESC? Will they eventually burn out? Nice video by the way

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I have not, and my friend and I have not on his P-47D 1.2m. Horizon Hobby has come out and said, we acknowledge that 3S OR 4S is okay. I about had a heart attack when they said this (since they can do no wrong - LOL). If you're unsure, just throw in a bigger ESC, but we've been totally fine thus far.

[@sky1HF]

great, ill see how it performs with the 4s and see if there will be any burning smell like what you did in the video. Got one getting delivered today, excited!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

It's a great plane, but be careful about the wings and ailerons getting scrapped up. If you haven't already, might want to check this out... kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6HOppqgmbagm6c

[@samuelapiazza47]

Expo on a plane? X))) Never used expo on my heli's.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I use expo on almost every plane. It's super helpful ;)

[@samuelapiazza47]

@@BrianPhillipsRC I get that... I just cant get that fine tune in my thumbs- So I go extreme throws so I get very fine lines in my flights. I prefer a bit more power than stock too.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Seems like your way is a bit more popular. More power is usually better ;)

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You can buy the Spitfire from this link ( Spitfire 1.2m - amzn.to/2H7wW89 ), HorizonHobby.com, or your local hobby shop. The lipos I use are these two sizes...one 3S and one 4S 2200mAh 3S 60C Zippy - amzn.to/2BzWaEM 2200mAh 4S 60C Zippy - amzn.to/2maRa44(Above 4S lipo is out of stock, so this is super similar... amzn.to/2QKMbnU) As for being RTF, no...it's a BNF, or Bind and Fly. This means you'll need a DSM2/DSMX transmitter. Here's some choices if you don't already have one... DX20 - amzn.to/2D3NIj8 DX18 - amzn.to/2Clv9Gh DX9 - amzn.to/2CMRKih DX8 - amzn.to/2qAy1xt ...and of course, you'll still need chargers and CA and other goodies...which you can also find link for in my description... I can't say for 100% sure if you can swap out the foam wheels for a more rubber wheel, but here's what I DO know... Here's a link for the stock wheel set... amzn.to/2RJJBzF ...but I must say, they're one of the most detailed tires on a foamy in the 1.2m size class, if you ask me...BUT If you insist on replacing them, get FREEWING wheels. They are some of the best, most supple rubbery feeling tires, while still being super light. Wish I could tell you the exact size...well, I can. I measured them at 3" outside diameter.

[@JoshWeaverRC]

Killing me. This video could have me ordering one soon, but don't know who makes the best spitfire. None will be with the Brian lights special though.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

The lights will be added very soon! This plane deserves the light mod!!! Thanks for watching! Just added some more footage for you...

[@JoshWeaverRC]

Brian Phillips. I just picked up a Multiplex Heron. Spitfire is next or a true long range plane then Spitfire.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

That glider looks great! Multiplex makes some good gliders. I have a knack for finding the cheapest, crappiest gliders, then having horrible luck with them...I may be learning my lesson...

[@JoshWeaverRC]

Brian Phillips. For sure, I bought 2-3 planes since eying this one month's ago. A video titled Heron Crash convinced me this father's day splurge will hold up. The price is felt immediately on unbox. Will make for less stressful/more enjoyable flights at least for my skill level. I do like that James Bond Glider you have though with speed brakes and all.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Well, the James Bond plane looks really good, but there are issues... It was only $150 + S&H, but it's got issues... It has a retractible motor system, but that has issues... It has retract main landing gear, but the servo came dead, and after replacing the servo, that one stripped on the first flight... It has beautiful, complex wing shape, but they aren't strong enough so they flex like crazy... It has a nice looking "t" tail, but it blows arround with wind from the motor... Sure the canopy is sweet looking, but it came with glue smeared on it brand new out of box.... It has a cool optional tow release hole, but it also lets dirt and debri in every landing... And on and on... I may just need to buy more expensive gliders.

[@mastersteel1079]

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[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks Master!

[@mastersteel1079]

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[@BrianPhillipsRC]

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[@borancoskun2811]

Hey man huge like and sub great videos how much did this cost ?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks! It was $269.99 -$20 = $249.99 discount using "FOAM" with no added shipping and handling or sales tax. www.horizonhobby.com/spitfire-mk-xiv-12m-bnf-basic--efl8650 I like it a lot! It's a great plane! I got the BNF (bind and fly) meaning, it came with a Spektrum reciever with AS3X (3 Axis Gyro Stabilization) and SAFE Select (switchable auto leveling). I fly it using a DX18, which is a Spektrum, but if you use another non-DSMX/DSM2 transmitter, just go for the PNF (plug and fly), but you'll lose the SAFE Select and AS3X. Keep coming back for more! Thanks for watching!

[@borancoskun2811]

Brian Phillips thx man do U think a beginner would be good on this plane it looks so nice and I will watch more!

[@borancoskun2811]

Brian Phillips if not do U know a good beginner one

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I wouldn't do this FIRST. The Spitfire or the P-47 ( www.horizonhobby.com/p-47-12m-bnf-efl8450 Same price and same size class, still has SAFE Select and AS3X) are great 2nd or 3rd choices, since they do have SAFE, which really helps beginners to get over the paralyzing fear of learning to fly, but they are both low wing warbirds, with tons of torque roll. This makes them tricky to fly for a beginner. I would definitely recommend something a lot cheaper, that you can crash a ton before you have to throw it out. Here's a few choices. Keep in mind, I'm using an 18 channel transmitter, but you don't have to have that much of a transmitter to fly this plane. In fact, I think you can do everything I'm doing on this model with a DX8...which is a LOT less expensive. That being said, don't by radios every day, since now-a-days, you can use the same radio for (most) all of your planes, quads, and helicopter...I think I have over 35 aircraft in my radio... Organized in order of recommendation, and incidentally, also the highest priced to the lowest...I only chose RTF (Ready to fly) models, meaning they literally come with everything you need to fly! After you get to the point where you feel comfortable with your skills, you can start to look at a good transmitter, which will work with BNF (Bind and fly - you can use the transmitter of your choice, provided it's compatible)... www.horizonhobby.com/apprentice-s-15e--rtf-w-dxe-efl3100e www.horizonhobby.com/mini-apprentice-s-rtf-hbz3100 www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/learn-to-fly-on-my-own/ultra-micros/sport-cub-s-rtf-with-safe-reg%3B-technology-hbz4400 www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/learn-to-fly-on-my-own/ultra-micros/champ-rtf-hbz4900 www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/learn-to-fly-on-my-own/ultra-micros/duet-rtf-hbz5300 Check these out, and then watch my videos and others on KZbin to help you decide about size and value and all that stuff. I can help you if you need it! FYI...I removed a two of your three exactly the same comments (not sure why that happens sometimes???)

[@JoshWeaverRC]

Camofighter 1234. Beginners would do well crashing this pretty plane and even experts at times. My vote is for mini apprentice for fitting in the car but still big enough and powerful enough to fight the wind and take a good hit from a crash or two or thr-ix. getting the RTF version takes the frustration out of things.

[@hifinsword]

I'm pulling 55A, 802Watts on a fully charged 4S 16.8V LiPo. I upgraded my ESC to 60A. More on my RCGroups.com blog here. www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2728753-E-flite-1-2M-Spitfire-Reference-SourceThe stock 40A ESC can only handle 4S for a short while. I think it will burn up the ESC if you run stock for too long.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I think you're on to something, but keep in mind that often times static bench testing can yield higher load results that in real life. There are a few occasions where you might actually exceed a bench test energy load, but only if you're trying to power out of a stall, while falling backwards, for example. These events will almost certainly be very short lived, as you will necessarily gain speed, thus reducing your electrical load, as you accelerate. That's not to say that conditions can get more extreme, but I'd argue you'll be close to if not outright in spec 98% of the time. ...but don't let me stop you from doing what your think is right! There's plenty of room for us to disagree on this detail. Will you let me know how things work out?

[@hifinsword]

That is what I've read too. The unloaded inflight demand should be about 15% less than the static load on the ground. That's why I picked a 60A ESC for mine. That gives me some overhead to work with. My static load on 3S is about 37A & 434W. So HH is OK with a 40A ESC. But my ESC was getting very hot. And it wasn't because I ran WOT all the time. I think it has to do with that really cool looking 5-blade prop. So I switched over to the 60A for 5 reasons, cooling being the most important. The other reasons are 1. flexibility of using both 3S & 4S batts in my inventory. 2. more weight up front for CG purposes. 3. easy access to the ESC 4. easy access to the AR636A. It wasn't just a straight swap. I enlarged the ESC bay and made the batt tray removeable. There's not enough room in there for a larger ESC without some cutting. I've flown a total of 175 flts on my bird. Of those, 28 have been 4S batt flts. When flying 4S I tend to hotdog it and flt times suffer. I use 2 timers. One is set to countdown anytime the THR is above 10%. The 2nd timer is set to count up anytime the THR CUT switch is OFF. So it also includes glide time with the THR at zero. Here are the avgs on 4S. Total flt time = 9.5mins, Motor run time = 6mins, End voltage = 14.92V, Discharge = 77%. On my 3S flts the avgs are better motor run times and lower capacity discharged. 3S avgs - Total flt time = 9.16mins, Motor run time = 6.69mins, End voltage = 11.29V, Discharged = 65%. But some of it is I'm using a 3300mAh LiPo for 1/3rd of the flts. My ESC swap and ESC bay mod is detailed in my blog here. www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35683011&postcount=10

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

The 60 will stay cooler too! (oops, forgot to click "read more"....sorry! Good idea with the larger ESC!

[@jasonpress5928]

You did an aileron roll not a barrel roll lel

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Jason Press Please help me understand the difference.

[@jasonpress5928]

Aileron rolls keep the plane moving forward without speed loss while rotating around the cabin. Barrel rolls slow the plane down while maintaining forward momentum. MatPat has a good game theory on starfox or something. Look up do a barrel roll game theory on KZbin and he explains it.

[@hifinsword]

Aileron rolls are rolls that stay on the longitudinal axis. The plane does not deviate from a straight flight path. Barrel rolls are rolls that do deviate from the longitudinal axis. In other words the plane will change in its flight path off to the sides and in height as it rolls. It's like moving the plane inside a barrel with the bottom of the plane sticking to the sides of a barrel as it rolls. In an aileron roll the plane wing tips would touch the sides of the barrel and the longitudinal axis of the plane would stay in the center of the barrel.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks Hifin Sword and Jason Press! Whenever I have a rudder to aileron tie, which I often times do on war birds, and some other planes, the rolls then require me to put some opposing rudder input to keep rolls tight and clean.

[@nomobilly]

That parking lot sucks. but I know how it is ,I live in miami

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

With the wind in this direction, it sucks, when it's down the main "strip" it's pretty awesome :) This site has been SOOOO good to us, and we've been super fortunate to have access to the lot. We realize there's probably better places, but we both live within 2 minutes drive, so it's a perfect location for us!