Horizon XI Exploit Controversy Leads to MASS BANS

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There were some grumblings in the community over fishing and inflation rising too fast, the devs looked into it and took swift action.
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[@mcpumii_]

It’s like people forget we are going back in time to experience era times - yet all you find is people rushing to the top in a hurry to go to the past. 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kenshinhimura9387]

Yup, it's insane. I saw people with level 30 jobs within the first week of the server starting up and they all had good gear on too. There's no way someone could get that far and afford that gear in such a short time

[@antmar6552]

My thought exactly. Bit disappointed that it was achieved so easily but curious how it could be done so fast

[@MultiKashi1234]

Yeah I'm still lvl 16 most the people don't wanna enjoy the game and just want run threw it all smh

[@antmar6552]

@@MultiKashi1234 yeah I’ve got to lv 20 and need to lv another job to rack up some conquest points to sell items and make 3k gil just for my next magic scroll. How are people asking for 100k for utsusemi??

[@MultiKashi1234]

@@antmar6552 idk was ain't it

[@killboi207]

Nice to see rules enforced.

[@RebeccaLoran]

Only YOU can prevent forest fires!

[@TimelapsedArk]

Cheaters banning cheaters from a stolen IP.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Ironic

[@TimelapsedArk]

Implying something?

[@VoreTechz1985]

It took me 1 week roughly to get the server first Lu Shangs Rod on Eden without buying a single Moat Carp. Dual boxing though. So it was twice as fast. I too was reported by many for botting because I could control 2 characters at once with almost perfect efficiency doing the mini game. I was jailed, and promptly let out when I proved my innocence by showing them how it was done without any third party tools. :)

[@CallMekwech]

Dual-wield Fisherman

[@JoeTasty808]

I remember this, it was wild. XD

[@markdevlin150]

upvoting if you fish on the ninja job.

[@bobbyhelms4880]

The was one of the main reason fishing was so hard to level unless you went to a place and really isolated on a target. If they having problems with Clothepole, then they gonna have the same with mirthan and a few other that are designed for big fish. I'm betting it was a different bug. The orginal ffxi had a ton of bugs, from Item dupilation to max gil. They had a NPC that sold armor but would buy it back at a higher price if u had max fame. So using the item dup bug u could easily get 10k moat carp within a day or two. Basically you would sent something to a friend and yall press the delivery box at about the same time. One would return to sender and the sender would remove the items they sent. Those bugs were live on retail for years until they got patched.

[@worldshakerd3889]

Theres huge issues woth horizon. The favt that admins are more concerned with streaming with ninja instead of addressing tickets.

[@Johan87577]

Pikasurprise face

[@richardsonpwilliam01]

I just wish the login server would get stable. Great video.

[@CallMekwech]

the devs think the login issue is a coding bug, hopeful they can get to the bottom of it soon

[@ondrejuz]

My fear is that alot of damage has already been made to the economy, I mean seriously less than 2 weeks and people are shouting for services offering 10k reward! even full time crafters wouldn't have that kind of gil to throw around. I feel banning people isn't enough they should look at gil holdings and see if that is normal based on the short time the game has been released versus the type of play style. The way I see if is there should be 2 type of play style balance at this time, high level with little gil since most of his time was spent exping or low level with more than average gil since most his time was spent crafting. But to have a level 40+ character offering 10k for help with a quest or an item seems suspect to me.

[@Adramelk]

The problem is, once those offering these services get accustomed to people paying that price, they will keep using that set price and or raising it higher because they know they have a service others want and are willing to part with the gil to get those services rendered to them

[@BJJsancin]

cause you're a scrub thats why it seem suspicious

[@theguywhowentthere3346]

@@BJJsancin and you sound like a 'no-lifer' to me.

[@BJJsancin]

@@theguywhowentthere3346 you’re right man damn how’d you figure me out?!?

[@datriaxsondor590]

4:14 You don't ruin their reputation by releasing their names. They ruined their own reputation, and you're protecting the rest of your player base by alerting them to the cheaters. What is it with these stupid stances of protecting the offenders? I mean, what the f**k?

[@sergionass3244]

Exploit never ends

[@squigssquigley8523]

I never leveled a single craft far at all. It was never something that interested me in FFXI. It's something that I am definitely interested in doing in HXI though

[@CallMekwech]

it's pretty chill and satisfying, once you can start investing in it I def recommend trying

[@gregwilhide9685]

@@CallMekwech it was like suprisngly easy too.. i never managed on nasomi because /lastsynth didnt work. Eden i tried again but it was still pretty slow. Horizon i got my first Apron and gloves within 1 month of coming back. maybe a few days more for the gloves. got to lv 72 inlike 20 days ... Nasomi/Eden was tryna keep things special because it really was more era in ways. Horizon seems they just want everyone to have everything max level. Dont evne get me started on eco war and added bonus exp scrolls. might as well get rid of levels 15-30. no one would notice em. It also eliminates the first step of even getting a job party ready(which should be a pick and choose wisely cus inventory space/slows you down cus u have to need to gear it/be on it ready to party) and you can just start caring after a few weeks of eco war and buy lv 30 gear. No wonder most average players have all jobs 37+ and multiple 75's. Nothings special

[@CallMekwech]

@@gregwilhide9685 Crafting has not changed on Horizon from era in a significant way

[@thereluctanthireling]

This is amazing, so happy they took action against the offenders here. The economy was already so out of whack, hopefully this starts to correct course now.

[@wesleymontalvo9856]

LOL at the drama on a server that won't last long. None of these fake servers last long. It's hilarious!

[@assnoid]

@@wesleymontalvo9856Eden still going strong after almost 4 years

[@raphaelnavarrette8156]

@@wesleymontalvo9856 they are doing more to keep the economy and exploits in check than SE ever did, in such a short notice…. And FFXI servers like Wings, Eden and Even Nasomi have been around for years. Horizon is more solid than all of them, very unlikely it’s going anywhere anytime soon

[@thereluctanthireling]

@@wesleymontalvo9856 4k sustained population and peaking at 5k plus during peak hours. This one seems like a winner and has been very good so far.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

@@thereluctanthireling lol keep spamming that /sea all (which is probably fabricated server side.) You'll see all the kiddies bop off after new years and the novelty dies. Then it will average out at what a server like that should be at. I am almost convinced they have had paid promotion to boost the server.

[@nebusaradanac318]

it was totaly expected :) wich makes it even more fun!! but yea thats an issue they will have to just keep track of that and solve it periodicaly :)

[@CallMekwech]

very reasonable pov, ty

[@1984WillC]

I knew something wasnt right when i saw a Lu Shangs rod the other day... mentioned it in discord - only reply i got was "that's all hes been doing" "play the game and find out"

[@Opiwantube]

just because you think its out of reach dosnt mean that it is, ive already posted but on another era server it took me and a friend less that 2 weeks to both hit 60 fishing and fish up 1 lu shangs, some people will take to leveling jobs as their priority, others will focus on avenues to get a head start on others when it comes to making gil

[@crisvok]

@@Opiwantube bullshit I leveled fishing to 100 in retail AND eden Took me more than a year Either bots or your an autistic person with a stomach pump and a catheter and no job People really can’t quantify how much time it takes to fish 10,000 moat carp Or buy 850+ stacks of it Lol and even if you fished 24 hours day fishes run out Stop capping

[@Opiwantube]

@@crisvok it was in the middle of covid so we both had 12+ hours a day to waste, and we didnt fish up every moat carp, we were both 60+ and since you have hit cap twice you know what kind of gil you can bring in strictly NPCing higher level fish. I looked last night and there are almost enough moats on the horizon AH for 2 shangs and i think stacks are under 1k. This was the same situation on Eden, ppl in a hurry to make gil selling moats and we took full advantage of it.

[@ikeaira8701]

Glad action was taken fairly quickly. The only gripe I've seen and have started to agree more and more with is: "How is a player; especially Completely New to XI, suppose to know what's a feature or an exploit? I'd even argue Some of the veterans can't/won't fully recall what exactly was/is ERA Accurate." Yes, we can ask, but a player is generally gonna seek out a fair/good method to leveling/farming and assume right off the bat that this is Normal and Part of the Game. The "Play and Find Out" Method/Motto the Devs have been running with is becoming a Double Edge Blade. On one hand it's great, but on the other we get situations like this. I won't say names, but the guy who even got the first Lu Shang flat out said he thought it was part of the adjustments to the Server and is Extremely upset over the ban because he sees this as the Devs "making up rules on the spot." Which to an extent I see exactly where he's coming from. He even explained step by step what he did(if ya know where to look to find it then ya already know) to get the Lu Shang and as an Outsider to Fishing/Crafting in XI it all looks pretty dang legit with no reason to believe he fully abused any system intentionally. The Devs SERIOUSLY needs to drop this "Play and Find Out" motto now that the game's been out for like 2 weeks now, and just drop the entire "bomb" of what's ERA and what's been changed to avoid any more slip ups like this in the future. It's seriously a bad look overall given the drama that's been (re)birthed from this incident. Great that they took action as fast as they did, but I seriously feel at least half of those banned players don't even deserve the ban at all. This is entirely an oversight from the Devs, and no one should have been banned for this besides the obvious botters imho. The cracks are slowly started to show themselves lol I love the FFXI Era+/HorizonXI Experience, but they(Devs) really need to; excuse my language, get their shit together. Edit: As a rule of sorts ig we should play by from now on is this: Ask ourselves when farming anything "Is this convenient? and is this going too fast?" If the answer is yes to one or both of those questions, best to stop what you're doing, submit a ticket in the Horizon Discord asking them to review your process. Which all in all is ridiculous and could be avoided if we were flat out told what was/wasn't changed, but it's the price we have to pay now knowing anything could/couldn't be an exploit with this "Play and Find Out" motto.

[@ThePresentation010]

Those clowns are playing the pity card and you're all over it. They know what playing clean is and isn't. I don't wana hear excuses. Ban them and their sympathizers. Let them go play on a dirty server away from the rest of the kids. They can get 20 lu shangs and shovem up there with the rest of the 10 players on that dirty server. Anyone who plays games know there are clowns who are gonna come in and ruin the game for everyone. Eventually driving everyone away. I don have time for their bs. I'd Ban them every time. And the people who feel sorry for them, you.

[@ikeaira8701]

@@ThePresentation010 Just yikes my dude, yikes. Go back to the Horizon Chat with your White Knighting. I've only pointed out obvious issues with this banning and for the most part the Devs fault for such an oversight(outside of the obvious cheaters/botters naturally). I'm glad the action taken was swift, but there's so so so much more to this picture than what's at face value. I'm not here to defend anyone, just pointing out the obvious issues and opening the floor to discussion. But if this is how you want to act, so be it. Just Yikes. Edit: Yes, cheaters be damned. BUT with how Horizon's Server is set up, Anything is up for grabs to be claimed as an exploit when we know nothing about the changes made to this server. This "PAFO" motto is a major issue, and is the main reason why we've come to this point of a massive banhammer being swung around. Were some people rightfully banned? Yes. But how many of those people banned were actually innocent/completely unaware what they were doing was an exploit? I'd said at least half if not more. Yes, a lot of players in the PS Sphere know what they're doing and what values to be expected. But, there's just as much(myself included) that don't know and just go with the flow with whatever works efficiently works and thats that. There needs to be clearly defined rules & examples laid out with what was changed with this server moving forward. Or else even more mass bans like this one will keep on coming. Don't go blindly believing people either, it makes not only me look like as ass, it also makes you look like one too with dumbass remarks like your comment.

[@ThePresentation010]

@@ikeaira8701 it's a good way to rid of trash. There's 4k ish people in there. We can afford to lose a few cheaters, since most people will play clean. There's enough good people left over. If I was in the dev team, no excuses. Off with their head. "Bla bla bla, I didn't know." Nonsense.. There's more than enough dirty servers you can do your bs in. Go do it there. Gtfo

[@ikeaira8701]

@@ThePresentation010 But it's not as 1-dimensional as that though. Yes, I see your side of the argument here, BUT there is reason to give an ear and review the person's process/mindset with what they were trying to do. Intentional Cheaters be damned yes, but there are those I firmly believe were wrongfully banned due simply to ignorance/believing the game was working as intended. This is a Major Issue with the server's motto, and the lack of communication from the Dev Team about what changes were made. Simply saying: "PAFO" leads to issues like this banhammer. I get what they were tryna do with this motto, but the cons are outweighing the pros entirely at this point.

[@ThePresentation010]

@@ikeaira8701 I'm making it 1 dimensional. Because once you make it complicated, then it leaves it open for bs. When it's 1 dimensional, there's only 1 way. And that's the right way. Don't wana hear the sad story, or excuses. Banned. Bye. They wana play dumb with tricks. You get lu shang by fishing the moat carp, or buying the moat carp. Any other way is bs. No excuses. They know what's right and wrong. The good innocent people wouldn't have thought or tried of other ways.

[@ThePresentation010]

Now that we have better communication than the old days. We have to stomp out RMTs and other cheaters who poison the pond for everyone. The games been around for a while. So there's plenty of cracks here and there that certain skilled people now of. And it's up to the Public to find them and get rid of them to keep the game clean as others play legitimately.

[@pipz420]

I do not have faith that an unpaid casual dev team will do a better job at making ff11 than square enix. I have already seen enough to keep me away from this server.

[@brucemckinlay9739]

@@pipz420 Have you seen the botting and RMT infestation on retail? Specifically Asura? SE doesn't give a damn about cheaters these days amd hasn't for years.

[@rocko0o]

@@pipz420 seriously how many times are u gonna post u dont want to play. then dont...lol. aparently u quit in 07 what are u doing? no ones forcing or begging u to play. nor does anyone care that you wont lol.

[@ThePresentation010]

@@pipz420 why do you keep coming to ff11 content then. Lol. Practice what you preach hypo

[@pipz420]

@@ThePresentation010 because I played ff11 for 18 years and people need to hear the truth. I would play if this stupid power trip from horizon devs wasn't happening so that's why I speak up. Wait till people realize they have to do hnm with 5 minute hold timers.

[@DICEBOY22]

How would you be able to make/submit a suggestion? I really think the kneeling heal should be much faster.

[@CallMekwech]

There is a suggestions channel in the official discord.

[@philhaildodger9398]

Interesting. Thankfully, I play on Eden.

[@lukeyork5213]

never tried it. Is it worth the try ?

[@quoclongly4365]

@@lukeyork5213 If you enjoy politics then yes Eden is for you. There has been a ton of drama on that server, even ones similar to this. The problem is the culprits are sometimes from the leaders of HNM endgame linkshells which also have a lot of influence on the devs. There are plenty of instances where exploits were used and instead of ban they just changed policy to not allow that activity no more.

[@philhaildodger9398]

@@lukeyork5213 I play there because it's classic 2007 ffxi with a 75 cap. Yes, they have had there own issues, and they have in fact issued bans too (for RMT i believe). I've had a good time playing on Eden and I don't know anyone associated with the devs.

[@lukeyork5213]

Its funny that gamers are held to a higher standard then our politicians lol. If you do something wrong, you WILL pay the price.

[@OptimizedOutdoors]

I'll probably never have that rod but I'll try to get it eventually 😅

[@SageAtoreis]

It's nice they react fast, but this is typical private server problems and keep in mind afaik they have massive experience from previous projects and they had like a year of preparation for HorizonXI? How do you even know if something is an exploit or not? I would have no idea how desynth or fishing should be in Era, because I completely forgot it. If I would pull some big higher level fishes with some rod I would be completely unaware that something is wrong. They also changed a lot about game, so how would anyone know if this is feature or exploit?

[@ImmortalDraylo]

I think you know the answer

[@albertplouffe5146]

If u look up what ur pole can catch on ffxi wiki and ur catching 20 lvls higher im sire u can use ur brain and think oh this is wrong let me message the devs a out it or file bug report. Or u can think oh this is wrong but fuck it im gonna make gill off this exploit. One is good for server one is bad for server now lets think and use our brains.

[@rocko0o]

@@ImmortalDraylo "Such a shame you trash talk retail so much"/ "The game is free to play... and over hyped. I dont get why it's so surprising. Garbage private servers lol" "You think you can take a crap on retail however you please, like you are justified in doing so. We are all allowed opinións" he can because like u said we are all allowed opinions. lmfaoo the hypocrite troll strikes again.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

@@rocko0o 🤡

[@rocko0o]

@@ImmortalDraylo ur absolutely a clown i concur.

[@DreySpynthasalar]

Love to see it!

[@stephenmaher9067]

It took me about 8 years to get cloth to 100 XD. And when I came back it took about 2 months to get to 110.

[@CallMekwech]

the real long grind

[@David-sx9km]

Just play and find out then get banned

[@DanHovann]

*bullshit happens on server* Me: "Im lv20 years old and what it is."

[@charliegross144]

If something is being exploited 3 or 4 days into a new server, that's the devs fault. They shouldn't ban anyone. How does a team of like 100 ppl working on 1 server have so many bugs?

[@cormerus]

On Eve Online, devs have made a few mistakes a few times. Once players knew about bad / weird game logic, they took advantage of it. They were never banned. Want a solution? Reset all accounts, make it one week 2x everything ( exp , farm, crafting )

[@charliegross144]

@@cormerus Also, I would understand the ban if there was really an exploit that a player had found. But in this case an item wasn't coded correctly. I'm assuming the players were using the item in the correct way and its the coding which was the issue.

[@Hjjfftuikfdf]

Marketing > Testing

[@paulgarcia689]

Mr. Kwech can you help i have a question.... what are the basic pc requirements to run HorizonXI?

[@H.Collector]

The game is over 20 years old. A toaster can run it.

[@paulgarcia689]

@@H.Collector not true Mr. DG I asked because I was given an old desktop that can't be upgraded or updated that has Vista... it can't load the page lol

[@erice9140]

Play and find out.

[@Hardcastle1971]

Banning people on a game that they stole from SE... /rollseyes 🙄

[@Jozaros]

May have to retry again. I have given up on day 1 because it was a bad experience to even claim mobs. My 1st day in FF11 on 2003 ps2 I didn't have much issues as HorizonXI.

[@CallMekwech]

the starting zones are much better than they were day 1

[@Jozaros]

@@CallMekwech that is good to know now.

[@strayargus9382]

God, it took me couple months to reach level 30 fishing back then 😂. Who has such time to get to max in two weeks? And people are already close to level 60 jobs at this point. So glad they took action or it would be ruined the economy later for everyone.

[@Opiwantube]

the fishing mini game has changed since you leveled back then to reach lvl 30, the new fishing mini game is so much easier than the original one

[@Seidragon]

Imo none of it matters anyway because it's a private server.

[@Bewefau]

they bot.

[@ryanbrown5279]

Inwas watching a streamer doing lb2 lastnight

[@Opiwantube]

when me and a buddy started on Eden we had very specific goals... lvl 20blm for warp, then max out fishing to make tons of NPC gil. both of us had 60 fishing in about 2 weeks and fished up the first lu shangs in less than a week all exploit free.

[@kenshinhimura9387]

That's not possible unless you have no job and no life

[@lukeyork5213]

Sounds like you two needed a break and a shower

[@morethanpichusgaming]

This seems legit to taking care of exploits. I've played games where exploits were used, but one company's response was instead to reduce the rate of future rare drops substantially (going from a 3% drop to a 0.03% drop) in runs that took 5 minutes minimum. The ones that used an exploit were getting one every 3 runs, in increase of 10 times the rate they should have. No one got their items taken. No one got their money taken or adjusted. No one was banned or suspended. The exploiters were clear and got to keep everything without any repercussions, but the rest of the players were punished by the drop rate being reduced that much.

[@CallMekwech]

That's interesting, which game?

[@morethanpichusgaming]

@@CallMekwech Neverwinter. This happened a few years back, I think it was fall of 2016. The incident was with the beholder personal tank mount. It was a legendary mount, which at the time, was the only way to max our a character's speed outside of combat. The problem was that the company refused to acknowledge any exploits occurring, and simply put in a patch to lower the drop rate. It was the community of players that exposed it and explained why such a drop rate reduction was happening. NWO uncensored spoke about it, as well as several KZbinrs. There have also been statements by deniers to such an exploit that claim no such way for the devs to hotfix the game, even though they did it several times afterwards in other instances. The way it worked is that if a player completed the quest for the item, their friends could join them and get potential loot. Then leave and re-enter to try again. It took like a minute or 2 to do so, but the dungeon to complete took 5-10 minutes per run, cutting time down considerably. It was still a chance, but at a faster rate. The problem, was even I, used exploits in the game to make things easier, like making a boss not attack by going in and dying by myself, exiting the game, and re-entering the game. Then, we could enter as a group, and the boss would just stand there. This was not an easy boss at the time. Exploits that the devs claimed didn't exist. I was never banned, suspended, or had any other negative things happen. You can even look at my channel and see me doing some of these things years ago.

[@user-wk4np7fh2v]

The people that leveled crafts legit weren't very far behind the cheaters.. skill over all

[@CallMekwech]

I was wondering about this, capitalizing on early economy can be rather strong too

[@luismolina4205]

I see Spicyryan is at it again

[@ide_lunchmoney207]

also already seeing what is probably POS hacking. Random Orcs running in the same direction a few moments after I catch a glimpse of a character flying by (much faster than Flee) with /anon statuses, and way too short to read any names.

[@demosthenes555]

christmas event. People are fleeing in starter zones as a part of the event.

[@admiralbosch2851]

Was this ever an issue in the past? Or just the private game server thing? Edit: never made a craft to 100. I think 82 was highest? , Just played sporadically

[@CallMekwech]

Normal FFXI had its fair share of exploits and ban waves throughout the years. In regards to the exact issues, likely not since Horizon is fan-coded.

[@cormerus]

Server has a good concept, but this old times rates suck. I remember my first retail job took ~5 months to get to 75, and each following take less and less. But now, I don't have that kind of time / commitment. Hope they make a fast rate server.

[@ThisisCitrus]

There are fast rate servers, look for them my guy, even servers with trusts if you're into that. Otherwise look for Horizon later on when things get easier, it's a progression server so we're getting all expansions (with tuning)

[@ThePresentation010]

Era is a fast rate server. That's where i started in September. Era also has like 40 ppl max But I like Horizon. Also this style is more for old schoolers. It's a like a 'career hobby.' Where progression is nice and slow and there's plenty of people, community for it to count. Idk why ppl bang their head against the wall because they won't be 75 in the next 5mins. I've only played 8hrs. And I'm cool. I'm not 10, or rich. Maybe I'll be 75 in months or a yr. But the ppl will be there.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

@@ThePresentation010 lol what makes you think so? Its a private server, could go poof overnight. Also retail has max 40 people? IDK, on asura theres 3k peopl eonline

[@cormerus]

Other servers want to mimmic retail, either 75 or 99 era. Horizon is different, that's what got my interest.

[@ThePresentation010]

@@ImmortalDraylo learn to read. I said era has 40 max

[@caladenv5892]

Does camping Castle Oz for HNM still good for gil?

[@CallMekwech]

unsure, things still settingling

[@Champfosho]

No that's terrible gil. If ur going to camp an NM the item needs to sell for 10 mil + in order to be worth your time because you can farm 150k to 200k an hour on thief. The RNG from drop rates from castle O is a negative EV from time to reward.

[@lawless7859]

Fishing for your rod ain't that bad. You can really catch up on alot of tv.

[@vvillanueva1985]

I am contemplating to get back to FFXI.. Question is.. Is it worth it playing again? I quit around 2012..

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Retail is yes

[@vvillanueva1985]

@@ImmortalDraylo thanks. Do you know if Siren is still one of the servers?

[@ImmortalDraylo]

@Virgilio Villanueva yes Siren is still there. There are 16 servers

[@vvillanueva1985]

@@ImmortalDraylo Thanks a bunch man! I appreciate your response. I'm out of place asking a lot of questions. I just want to be comfortable to come back.

[@CallMekwech]

The game is great right now, both retail and and Horizon have their perks, but I'm with Draylo on this one - give retail a shot, especially if playtime is limited

[@DanielRenardAnimation]

I absolutely loved mass-bans from FFXI exploitations. I recall the grand LM-11/14 wipe for "Salvage Duping" and the teary-eyed laughter from the following _"Hitler gets banned from FFXI"_ video parodies, in particular one titled *"Banhammer 0004"* that were made in the days after, probably around 13 years back, now. Good times. Just wish they'd done it to the Lvl Cap + FoV + Astral Flow -> COR reset -> repeat _exploit_ too. 🤷‍♂

[@Darwinion]

haha.. I just came back from 8 years away from the game. It was me that made those videos based on Phoenix server.

[@DanielRenardAnimation]

@@Darwinion Aye~ Just left a comment on Banhammer 0004 😉 Good times!

[@pipz420]

Yup mass bans happened then everyone quit playing ffxi. Look at server populations at the time. Dumb, unnecessary, and alienating your fan base. My friend got salvage banned and so we all eventually quit in 3 months from not being able to play together and he wasn't gonna restart a mmo. Oh and he played on ps2 so he wasn't hacking.

[@DanielRenardAnimation]

@@pipz420 Obviously... the game is dead now. It simply had no future without players of your caliber.

[@demosthenes555]

@@pipz420 lmao he wasn't hacking because he was on ps2 from salvage bans. Like bro do you even know what the exploit was?

[@Pacman8642]

#horizongang - good stuff Scoot, keep up the content and I hope the channel keeps growing for you ^^

[@yerpyerp]

2:20 think they were splitting fish into 4 and making lots of gil.

[@Kejinn54]

I knew it! that lu shang was sus AF

[@iamsliv7621]

The Horizon team has done a great job so far and I definitely support the actions taken against those that knowingly exploited. There seemed to be a small amount of players getting filthy rich in week 1 and it really hurt the AH. Since these actions were taken, AH prices have stabilized and the economy is already way better than week 1 as prices continue to drop and find their baseline.

[@CallMekwech]

yup pretty happy with the way things are shaking out

[@elrosith88]

Almost joined the server also lol.

[@Evadar]

People were fishing up items that were way higher than what they were supposed to be fishing up and also they were able to sell them for really high vendor prices.

[@foomp]

All this goes to show how ridiculous it is to work on FFXI lol. From spaghetti code requiring PS2 kits to intricate details behind practically every single item, some otherwise inconsequential items in the real game that can completely break an economy in Horizon. That's some insane development lol.

[@arca9ine758]

I’m sorry but if people got Lu by fishing and buying stacks of carp for 200 Gil and I got my rod deleted I’d be 100% done with this server. That’s not an exploit.

[@H.Collector]

It's absolutely abuse if you're using a busted clothes pole to fish lvl 50 fish at lvl 10 and use those profits to buy moats

[@arca9ine758]

@@H.Collector did you read what I said? Your comment is irrelevant. Do you know how to get Lu? Doesn’t matter what rod you use. You cap at what? 10 for carp? 7 even? There’s no advantage here even if the rod is broken. Ah sales are dirt cheap at 200 per stack plus doing your own fishing on the side. That’s not an exploit. Don’t be a fool.

[@H.Collector]

@@arca9ine758 the guys who had their shang removed were abusing a clothespole exploit as the clothespole was basically acting like a better lu shang. They were catching fish 40 levels over their own skill level, being able to buy 20 stacks of moat for selling 1 stack of blue tails which they couldn't possibly catch at level 10 under normal circumstances. The issue isn't with moats being cheap, it's buying them with money that they should never have been able to get so easily.

[@CallMekwech]

Simon is correct on this one, the Lu's that were deleted were from the people found to be exploiting. Quite a few Lu's survived because of exactly what you said, buying cheap carp is not a crime

[@ConejoZing]

Awhile. But, now that we are not evil Milano zombie cookies the real question is: WHICH JOB IS NALA the NAJA GOING TO GET WITH UPDATES?!? jk

[@tegneren33]

I am a simple taru. When I want some gil, I fish a stack of moat carp, sell it to AH and move on to the adventures

[@CallMekwech]

It ain't much, but it's honest work

[@bitterbuffalo8997]

Interesting! ❤

[@terrynoll1873]

It took me months of dedicated work to max fishing. I bought my first Lu Shang, but earned my Ebisu.

[@CallMekwech]

Ebisu is a real gem

[@dzspdref]

So is this from Actual real FFXI game servers, or is this something done on a player-created server that copied it all from FFXI?

[@CallMekwech]

it's not exactly copied, everything server side is player designed to mimic the real thing. It's an interesting concept, but basically the client is the real one but you connect to a "private" server

[@ometosrs]

Need this again lol

[@CallMekwech]

Hey, it's a f2p server and still going strong!

[@kenshinhimura9387]

I'm starting to think I should stop playing on this server. Too many no life losers who are going to ruin it for this of us who have a job, a family and a life and we can't spend 24/7 on the game

[@ImmortalDraylo]

🤡

[@foomp]

You will never escape no lifers. Unless the people in charge choose to heavy hand progression (i.e. prevent players from reaching specific points too fast), no game will ever be without these people. Stick to offline games if what others do becomes a problem for you. You might want to avoid reading anything related to their progression in said game as well.

[@SatonakaCP4]

@@foomp oh even way back then I never read/stopped reading their "live journals" related to their progression because it was downright depressing to know that I can NEVER no-life it at their level. 2 years to lv75 THF baby back then and damn PROUD of it.

[@foomp]

@@SatonakaCP4 Truth be told, back when XI first launched in NA, I pretty much no life'd it. Not to the same 18-24hr degree that some people do today, but probably at least 12hrs on most days. The difference however was that I was doing it to just have fun, where getting to 75 wasn't my goal. My goal was to just have fun doing all the things along the way. I think it took me maybe 6+ months to get to 75. Up to then, I was leveling various other jobs, farming drops to make gil, and playing terrible job comps because we didn't know any better (THF/BRD).

[@jeffschmalz456]

Come to CatsEyeXI my friend!

[@TKUltra971]

This is why you avoid new servers until they become settled. Then join lol.

[@ennovasnap7497]

My brother got banned (related to the desynth stuff)... He was buying the stuff off of the MB and desynthing for mats to level up his crafters with.... ban... no reset to 0 skills, just ban. He appealed but they didn't care... what a joke, the mods really are on a power trip. How is one supposed to know what is an 'exploit' and what isn't when heck he and I haven't even played this game since treasures of whatever...

[@bosspaw4028]

Exploits are obvious

[@sushileafbeats]

Bruh the way they treat people just trying to discuss things in calm manners on their discord... this server can burn lol. Sure stopping exploiters is great (that's pretty common sense), but when your leadership shows absolutely zero care to the people playing on the server who are legitimately asking questions on the discord... nah. Screw the server lol, if they are that bad at decision making, who knows what they will do to the server itself down the road. I remember watching as an apparently new player (new to FFXI as a whole), was curiously asking 'Hey, what are some ways a brand new player can know if they are hitting an exploit or something accidentally left in the game by devs?' (Since, of course this new player has no idea what anything in the game is yet. They can't identify remnants of later expansions that the devs so foolishly left in). BOOM, he was BANNED from the discord server. And then so was anyone else who said anything relating to that. Like... what? Great impression on the brand new player, hell great impression on players like myself who have put in over 15,000 hours in OG FFXI. Shows how much they care about the health and popularity of the game. Eventually I was banned for saying 'So new players can't ask information seeking questions related to the game then? What is the discord for?'. They could have simply responded... but nah, lazy power trip garbage. They clearly can't deal with social interactions with their playerbase, why the hell they chose to open a social tool such as a discord server is beyond me. And so, what I've observed on the discord speaks volumes about their leadership, and thus I don't see a point in giving them the satisfaction of playing on their server. Anyone else reading this should consider the same. FFXI is about the memories, the journey, and the community.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Of course. Their leadership is comprised of mostly social awkward people who no life mmo and have an obsession with being top dog in dragons aery. Enjoy

[@shahua]

Did.notice when i tried fishing no breaks on willow rod and able to pull on 0 skill higher fish that would usually say not skilled enough, I almost immediately stopped fishing because of this. I mean these things are expected when a private server first roles out but yeah not one to exploit.

[@kenshinhimura9387]

Um.... your rod does break

[@shahua]

i remember it breaking after like the second try tho usually, or quick any who, not saying they don’t break just not as often as they used to for sure from my experience fishing. After getting 3ish stacks i stopped something didn’t seem right Considering all fish were terrible feelings and no breaks. Retail or other servers i’d be on a new rod by then as thats the cheap rod,. This was also weeks ago too like when it just came out, haven’t had time since but I’ve been through my fair share of willows and felt more then coincidence, i just wasn’t taking chances.

[@andreivanovich6007]

I play official

[@lukeyork5213]

pay for me and i will heal you till the end of time

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Me too, its the best

[@CallMekwech]

Me too, there's alot to love about retail

[@heyheyleina3366]

offial/retail is where the real deal and fun is. bug-free.

[@jamesbennett8994]

That’s a bad move, but what can you say. 14 went to shit by banning players for untruth reasons

[@randyryker2519]

Not exactly.. Clothespole let you fish black eel / bluetail at level 10 fishing with gear. That's one problem by itself. The real issue with desynth was that people were T3 HQing at an absurd rate. Quadav backplate gives a darksteel ingot at t3. Do that enough times and turn them into darksteel picks... you're making 8k Gil per t3 hq. Not to mention blowing by darksteel tier skill ups for literally free. Can't speak for clothcraft but I'm sure it was similar. Either way, this wrecks the economy and anyone involved should be banned.

[@90sallthewaybaby]

Congrats to those that got banned for exploiting. You played yourself on a private server.

[@CallMekwech]

FAAFO (f around and find out)

[@pipz420]

This server is doomed. The GMs think they know whats best. Ban waves this quick? And people are not even high enough level to learn of thing like the 5 minute hold timer. These GMs are strict and looking for many ways to ban you way more than square enix ever did. I dont use addons or glitches and even I will not play here cause I am not willing to play for 2-3 years and then get banned for something silly.

[@joshuaa.kennedy8837]

I would agree this is a mistake they made and getting band for taking advantage of a opertunity is BS. They should have just taxed them like the governмent dose when they make bad policy's that create a lot of wealth. Could you imagine if the government did what they did. You took advantage of a opertunity we created on accident and now we are going to kill you for it for breaking our rule.

[@ThisisCitrus]

Lmao bye felicia. Sounds like you were one of the people who got banned.

[@pipz420]

@@ThisisCitrus Nope watching from the outside and have zero faith in devs that jumped from wings after two years. What makes you think they not gonna do the same thing here? I played retail for 18 years and 3 years on nasomi. Currently playing Embers Adrift for that oldschool ffxi feel. But I like Kwech and support whatever he doing and happy he showing the servers flaws.

[@kenshinhimura9387]

I'm glad these no life losers got banned. I'm sick of all these tryhards ruining the game for us normal people who can't sit on a video game 24/7

[@arrynroyce72]

@@pipz420 Yup, obvious cracks forming already. Another flash in the pan.

[@egonwilhelmbremer-strauss2607]

This is rich, banning accounts for breaking terms of service on a private server that is itself a violation of the terms of service and criminal intellectual property theft.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Bunch of pirates trying to adhere to the pirates code

[@heyheyleina3366]

amazingly insane.

[@Fossil924]

First off cheating on Horizon is widespread like training the zone bringing the mobs to a party for less but quickerXP it also increases the amount drops an old RMT trick! here's another classless move 20+ thieves farming the starter zones I've caught and reported 10 in Ronfaure from a level 41 Thf ,Lv37 Thf ,lv28 Thf and a few 24ish which disrupts low level or new people from leveling . The clowns training mobs I reported and they were either jailed or banned good riddance! Play the game right or go back to retail or WOW or FFXIV!

[@BJJsancin]

Sound like a brokie

[@CallMekwech]

the trains in early zones is annoying

[@chancerinstrider353]

Horizon XI is ran by a bunch of people that have 0 regard to the disabled. They banned my IP address because they thought I was Tri Boxing when a disabled person was playing the game and 1 person was inebriated and I was on the way out to go to work. unfortunately it left the other 2 unable to respond correctly or in time to GMs, this caused them to jail us and take over a week to "review the footage and discus the situation". I currently have pictures of all of us logged on each one of our computers, which i offered as proof but they wouldn't even let us talk to them to defend our case. I all of a sudden get a message on discord saying our accounts are banned. They discriminated against the disabled person so bad that she became too frightened to even log in again with fear of her doing something wrong. They made her feel as if she wasn't allowed to play. They don't deserve to run such a great game and I personally believe they should be boycotted.

[@MIshthra]

Horizon is headed but a bunch of talentless middle men striving to make partner. I made an effort to contact them about using my code and instead of a dialogue I was blocked. 0/10 do not play here. I miss the real ERA server.

[@orangecheez]

Ima comtinue to cheat its a game .

[@ImmortalDraylo]

cheat plz, they need to see the truth that its inevitable

[@orangecheez]

@@ImmortalDraylo games aren't meant to be so strict . I remember as a kid exploits were like the dopest shit now people are all Karen's and they wanna snitch on people for just gaming . Unless your in like a money tournament or something similar a game should be played anyway you want and thats it .

[@lukeyork5213]

im such a cheater, i owned a gameshark and a gamegenie....

[@zasterheffor]

They've busted bots, and exploiters, but have removed the rules related to market manipulation. All three are tied together. The HorizonXI discord is also a ****show, where mods power-trip and too many adults engage in adolescent behavior. I see server popularity increasing, but the bottleneck will be staff and their arbitrary rulings.

[@KvltKommando]

its ramzyy the cheater

[@clamo6362]

HM.....banning players running an illegal server 🤣

[@kenshinhimura9387]

It pisses me off that you have trash tier players who jump on this private server from day one and try to ruin the experience for the rest of us.

[@TSD4027]

Another case of developers taking it out on players for being able to outsmart their bad/lazy coding.

[@TheLawkill]

So they are punishing people for using capitalism within a free market of a complex system? If there is a bug within the code and desynths are occuring more often than should, it's not their fault, neither would they know if it was workng as intended, after all it is a private server and things are altered from true retail.

[@ThePresentation010]

Go back to retail

[@Jferrell08]

Any exploit or glitch is supposed to be reported per terms of use if they knew about it and exploited it without sending a ticket then they are violation and should be banned

[@joshuaa.kennedy8837]

@@Jferrell08 I would agree this is a mistake they made and getting band for taking advantage of a opertunity is BS. They should have just taxed them like the governмent dose when they make bad policy's that create a lot of wealth. Could you imagine if the government did what they did. You took advantage of a opertunity we created on accident and now we are going to kill you for it for breaking our rule.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

@@ThePresentation010 ur really welcoming

[@ThePresentation010]

@@ImmortalDraylo go with him too princess.

[@AtreyusNinja]

Imagine cheating in a 75 server in 2023 😂

[@TheFitDragon]

lul private servers, so corrupt, I could toss a grand to a dev and get whatever I wanted

[@heyheyleina3366]

probably less. problem is they will want more and more. then you're stuck paying them like the mafia.

[@MrGreekstatue]

That's why I won't play on private servers.

[@heyheyleina3366]

playing on any private ffxi server makes absolutely no sense at all. they join a private server because of nostalgia to xp in the old zones like valkurm. then when everyone has reached higher levels, what? those same zones will be empty. those private servers are full of bugs forever and never be fully fonctional like retail. players can and will get banned on a wimp. imagine using your time to play on private servers. insane.

[@rocko0o]

@@heyheyleina3366 "then when everyone has reached higher levels, what? those same zones will be empty." u mean like retail?

[@heyheyleina3366]

@@rocko0o that's right!

[@monsutaman1]

So, what were they banned for? An exploit within your server is not ban worthy, because it is your server, thus a problem on your end........ I do get it though........those individuals have a HUGE head-start over the average populace, but I don't think they should be punished. The goal to make Horizon a level 75 utopia may be its' downfall........ Again, I get it.......A few people being David Steward, while everyone else is working at McDonalds.

[@joshuaa.kennedy8837]

I would agree this is a mistake they made and getting band for taking advantage of a opertunity is BS. They should have just taxed them like the governмent dose when they make bad policy's that create a lot of wealth. Could you imagine if the government did what they did. You took advantage of a opertunity we created on accident and now we are going to kill you for it for breaking our rule.

[@ThisisCitrus]

What were they banned for? Uhh exploiting, as in finding exploits and then taking advantage of them instead of reporting them. This does a few things 1. gives the a huge money and power advantage. 2. completely messes up the ingame economy. So yeah, they were punished. The server has rules, break then and be punished, pretty simple.

[@monsutaman1]

@@ThisisCitrus An exploit within your server, is your error.....What do you think bug testers are used for?

[@foomp]

It's a private server. You play by their rules, just like anyone else's. The difference between private server rules and retail? No transaction of cash, meaning no legal hot water for private server owners to do as they please. I always think it's amazing that people treat some random nobody the same as they would a major company, especially when it's about a free product or service. It's no different than people who go to a McDonald's and expect the employees to conduct themselves like they're at a fine dining establishment lol.

[@heyheyleina3366]

horizonxi devs/mods are insane, that's why. they think they will protect their economy/server by doing that while it's their own fault. they wish for a perfect server, it will never happen. it will die like the other private servers.

[@NatealityTV]

Everyone just needs to play on edenxi problems solved!

[@SatonakaCP4]

Log in/download/install for that game was and still is TERRIBLE and I could never figure it out. This one is hella easy like maybe a few clicks, registration and no special tactics involved, then boom , you in the game! I'm Hella NOT very PC/tech savvy since I'm mainly a console gamer, just got my "PC master race" badge exactly 1 year ago and NEVER going back to console again (lawl) but tis a steep learning curve for me and I got a nice feeling logging into Horizon so for now, this is the game for me slowly but surely scratching that XI itch I got way back then when the PS2 version released.

[@somebodysomewhere1243]

Lol

[@arrynroyce72]

After months of hearing about Horizon on my current private server ad nauseam the schadenfreude is strong.

[@GCJACK83]

This is why I never touch private servers. Nice idea on paper, but too often it's a piss poor execution and drama.

[@dmfp]

Lol hxi can keep their 75 cap then

[@nokkprime]

This server is x10 better than retail. The people running this are doing a awesome job. #Legendary Ls.

[@Bewefau]

yeah... no its not.

[@nokkprime]

@@Bewefau yeah it is. I guess you didn’t see the part where a bunch of cheaters just got banned. In retail no one gets banned for cheating lol.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Nope sorry you are mistaken. Retail is the real FFXI

[@nokkprime]

@@ImmortalDraylo I bet you think it is with all those hacks and cheats lmao

[@ImmortalDraylo]

@@nokkprime No different than that private server, they already been banning people cheating. Every MMO in existence has cheats. Doesn't stop anyone from enjoying the game, and retail XI is the real deal :)

[@nicknevets]

This is why I’ll never waste my time with private servers. More like mods than devs.

[@lewis9025]

Horizon doesn't deserve to exist.. terrible devs.. I give them a year until they are all burnt out and quit.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Yes 😂

[@heyheyleina3366]

it'll die like any other private server or ffxi server emulation. just like topaz died, now its landsandboat, it'll die too and be renamed. maybe it will reach 100% emulation without any bugs in 50 years.

[@slimebuck]

The horzionxi team have done a great job with what they have done and should be very proud.

[@sevinskies]

BoomerXI

[@ihatepeopleyes9492]

Dam Lu Shang after 2 weeks? Insane lol. Come on you old farts.

[@Iamdissapoint]

so people get banned because the mods sucked? got it

[@jokinplaysgames]

Nope. Game still remains stale and slow. I just dunno what I ever seen in this game all them years ago.

[@EZeast1]

The game is fun the community is trash and not the same as it was back in the day. That’s how I feel at lease playing MMO’s now a days.

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Try retail is more respectful of your time

[@ImmortalDraylo]

Already? Going so well lol 🫢🤡