UNLIMITED STACKS! E0S0 Fugue x Acheron Amazing Synergy (MOC 12, PF, AS) | Honkai: Star Rail 2.7

[@TingyunRail]

PS: This is V5 PS 2: Acheron has a better performance in the second part of the next AS, but I had a bug that made the game crash. That's why I did it against node 1, which doesn't have a buff that benefits that team much. Sorry about that :C

[@kennethyoung7457]

I think being able to clear without any ult buffs at all makes the showcase even better. Probably would have went with 160 spd Aventurine instead of sub dps build to maximize stacks per av and Jiaoqiu with eagle set though.

[@remy_reeves]

Trend LC: *"my time has come"*

[@konkon135]

Isn’t trend lc not working if have jq ?

[@ThorDrJones]

​@@konkon135 I think trend should work regardless. Unless there is like a burn stacking limit.

[@seyalien2]

@@ThorDrJonesyeah it works just not as well as without jiaoqiu

[@InsertAwesomeNameHere]

@@konkon135 Acheron's talent can apply a stack once per *action* (the description uses the phrase "once per ability use"), while Jiaoqiu's ult field only applies the debuff once per *turn*, right after the enemy's first action. If it's an elite/boss enemy with a 2nd action that's an attack, Trend will apply a debuff and therefore generate a stack for Acheron, whereas JQ won't, so there's still some justification for using both JQ and Trend together depending on the enemy (Hoolay, for example, uses lots of blast/AoE attacks for his 2nd actions, so you get a lot of mileage out of Trend even when you have JQ).

[@echo4926]

But this run was with gepard's LC....

[@bang-naim]

It's sooo funny that the devs limit JQ ult to debuff at max 6 times per ult but overlook the fact that Fugue + Aventurine can basically output triple the stacks just by a single Skill. Loving it tho

[@izzme5204]

They really hate jiaoqiu for some reason😢

[@Yinseirei]

​@@izzme5204 nah if they did that he would be too broken and his ult's cost is already too low so by the end of the stacks your ult would be ready either way He is already better than fugue

[@izzme5204]

@@Yinseirei it's only a nerf in PF for Acheron teams only realistically, that I know. But can't they let him be extra broken in that one hyper specific scenario? Like this game is already fully of powercreep so I honestly don't see why hoyo would nerf that

[@silverhawkscape2677]

And watch them make an Emergecy nerft

[@kennethyoung7457]

@@izzme5204 We still have solitary healing lightcones that gives a lot of energy when any enemy dies while under his DOT effect waves so he doesn't lose but a couple of stacks if any at all if you or the whimsicality is killing enemies fast enough. That is the one scenario where you can see his full potential. Hoyo nerfs things because they don't want him to be too limitless with his potential if they ever made an enemy that just does dozens of counter attacks or whatever Jiaoqiu would be producing a crazy amount of stacks and Acheron would just 0 cycle even faster than the new dps which is not what they want.. Acheron already destroys Hoolay off element because he moves so fast and you get so many stacks from Jiaoqiu and universal trend since he has aoe or blast bonus actions. Sunday in Apocalyptic Shadow every time you break his little minions it counts as a separate action giving acheron a stack and they keep recovering after every one of sunday turns there needed to be a limit on stack generation for that boss to be a good challenge. Jiaoqiu turned Acheron into an aoe counter dps that doesn't need to be attacked so aggro is irrelevant to her performance. She is pretty much future proof until the game drastically changes fundamentally if Jiaoqiu gave unlimited stacks they would have to definitely redesign the entire game and every future enemy would have to be slow to not strengthen Acheron which would also screw DOT and the other counter units playstyle up.

[@normalostrich6250]

as an e2 s1 aventurine and acheron haver, I have noticed this for a long time, but the ability to run trend is really good for the synergy

[@s2wuolf508]

Trend doesn’t stack with JQ for the first attack though

[@normalostrich6250]

@ yeah, but after 6 stacks of JQ it does

[@kicking_ninja]

Why do they refuse to give us the "when boss is broken, team action advance and gets their ults" in apoc again...

[@kicking_ninja]

They only did this for the 2.3 apoc (debut of the game mode) and they never did it again... Now it's either action advance or we get our ults back

[@Kanaerya]

they learnt that not including free AV boost make the average AS clear lower, which mean more reason to pull for newer character

[@ouroboros6738]

Because they need money

[@AppleGrid]

You're just trippin bro, they never even combined that. 100% AA sucks ass anyway 2.3 they only had max SP and free ults that's all 2.4 they downgraded it to 100% free AA which most of the time is useless

[@sev559]

There are 3 buffs for AS when broken(so far) 1.Ult refill 2.100% advance 3. SP refund They’ve just been mixing it up in pairs among these 3. The tinfoil hatters should give it a rest

[@wernerburningcanyon3861]

I think it's better to use Solitary Healing for JQ for fast ult and refresh ashen roast counting resulting to fast stacks for Acheron.

[@NoOne-Belongs]

His ult rotation is already a 3 turn ult with just an energy regen rope, 2 skills and a basic. It doesn't really need to be anything more and EHR is a bit more important

[@wandersonvitor3054]

Definitely.

[@wandersonvitor3054]

​@@NoOne-Belongs more ults= more stacks, it's definitely better to use Solitary Healing for Jiaoqiu in PF

[@blursedpasta7718]

the solitary healing PF jq build is the way to go but outside its just not worth it to lose out on damage from his sign. LC

[@EKTOS]

​@@wandersonvitor3054 this is only viable in PF where u get allot of trash mobs where u can trigger his debuff in MOC and AS his own LC bcause of EHR is far better making sure he can trigger on elite and bosses turn

[@brianmoore5366]

This new PF format benefits Erudition units that are not follow up. This will definitely push Rappa and Argenti stocks as the fua units always preformed better since they take so many actions in a single wave. I think fua will still be on top but the regular Erudition units will be alot closer to their performance. Acheron never came to mind when thinking about the new format, and she should of. This definitely pushes her up to the top cause her biggest issue in pf is that u have her ult when u don't want it and don't have it when u want. U don't want to waste an ult on 2 enemies, but u don't wanna waste turns either. This new format u shouldn't run into that issue any more. Benefits more characters than i thought

[@CoffeeJip153]

I find it so funny that Acheron is so starved of any half-decent teammate besides JQ that one of her best options is unironically a BREAK support that doesn't even buff Acheron herself 😂

[@SilverStatic492]

Pela would like to know your location

[@CoffeeJip153]

@@SilverStatic492 She's a 1.0 4-star for God's sake. I know she's a good 4-star, but look at literally every other meta team with their completed teams with new, much stronger editions coming with every patch

[@hohens7118]

DOT team…

[@keyboardpersonal7518]

Even funnier that Acheron so strong with halfass teammate like that. Imagine if she's like Fei with whole IPC kit revolving around her

[@CoffeeJip153]

@@keyboardpersonal7518 some mfers say she's falling off compared to everyone without realizing she literally has half a team, half of that half being herself 😭

[@--svyatoslav--]

Fugue ulting like 2 times per battle kinda💀

[@JMike-bq6rl]

"Still scales with Atk%....instead of BE"

[@Reaper-q4d]

Lingsha and Gallagher could make use of Fugue's skill because of their frequent attacks.

[@JustYourAverageInternetUser.]

Lmao, Lingsha would be op. She can debuff up to five times in a two turns.

[@tieAcherry101]

And they actually do benefit from her break effect buff. Especially against full aoe scenarios like this, Lingsha would output way more than Aventurine.

[@avoidthevo1d]

Dayum i love myself a good fox lady

[@mito9660]

I wonder what's better for E0S0 Acheron and E0S1 Acheron. Using Fugue for more ult stacks and to fulfill Acheron's Abyss trace or using Sunday/Robin/Sparkle to give more buffs and turns to Acheron.

[@thesseus1332]

fugue does nothing to boost acheron dmg, any harmony unit would be much batter, it's probably better to go for aventurine lc to get a debuff and just stick with pela and her def shred

[@wandersonvitor3054]

​@@thesseus1332She doesn't provide more damage as a Harmony, but she provides way more stacks for Acheron ult, plus we're talking about E0 Acheron, she'll need two Nihility.

[@thesseus1332]

@@wandersonvitor3054 in comment above it's E0S0 and E0S1, in both cases fugue is only to generate stacks when pela can do that too and you can just get aventurine lc instead of another character. Even at E0S0 it's better to just go for pela and jq instead of other options, but with harmony like sunday at E0S1 you will double for free acheron action value and also get a lot more stacks from her own turn and lc, which is really great, robin/sparkle/bronya/sunday can +/- be equal to double nihility E0 acheron with proper build if you already have jiaoqiu in your team. There is no way fugue will be as valuable as any of this above in any acheron team at E0 just because of the action value that acheron can get from harmony supports and amount of stacks. Using pela and getting aventuine lc will be literally the same but you are getting def shred on every enemy

[@OrangeCreamsicle]

@@wandersonvitor3054 it's not like her ult turns off if you don't hit two nihility, robin + gallagher is probably still better than this turn in moc

[@remy_reeves]

​@@OrangeCreamsicle e0 Acheron w/o other 2 nihility hits like a wet sponge tho 😂

[@nelson3703]

Ngl lingsha would be better. She gets more fua delas more damage and can actually benefit from the break buf Fugue gives

[@U_Dhee]

this acheron always in her silver hair state? is it skin or? coz as far as i know acheron supposed in her silver hair only while she ult.. so, how?

[@VxAkiran]

That's just something in the beta and only in beta, i seen other characters in skins the same way😊

[@JeffersonPS-hh6eg]

Acheron endless IX mode is freaking awesome 😂❤

[@Rainbowsaur]

F2P cheap and slight luck required method: Preservation March 7th > self aggro hit apply debuff with Future market that Jiaqui doesn't proc on + relitation shots applying debuffs 🐒

[@VHL-DoT5000]

I’m pulling for Fugue just for a team like this. Maybe replace Aventurine with a DPS Lingsha.

[@colddu]

Common bro, I was decided to just pull for Sunday and his LC but I have Lingsha and Acheron with LC Delete the video so I forget this

[@Lupper0205]

Waiting for the comments saying Lingsha is better than Aventurine on this team

[@Yinseirei]

I think aven hits more often than lingsha so there's no way

[@Oniichan..]

Lingsha is better than Aventurine on this team

[@random_name_generated6932]

The goat finally came with the line​@@Oniichan..

[@lukkasaraujo]

i think if aventurine is usind trend, he is def better, although lingsha can use the break buffs better

[@NoOne-Belongs]

​@@lukkasaraujoexcept trend doesn't stack with JQ

[@weaveairlines]

Mei forgot to sheathe her odachi, again

[@JoeyJoJoJr17]

I don't understand how this is "unlimited stacks", so unless there is some kind of bug that's unexplained or not shown, this video thumbnail and title seems like clickbait bullshit. Aventurine still seems to be following the normal Acheron Slashed Dream stacking rules of 1 stack per game action even after Fugue buffs Aventurine with the skill. With his signature, he already applies debuffs on followup attacks (but not basics), and he often 1-2 followups per turn he gets to use a basic attack, so Fugue is providing like a marginal amount of extra stacks only for Aventurine basics? All while Fugue is being forced to run Resolution Shines just to be able to consistently apply debuffs herself on her own turns with enhanced basics? Meanwhile only Acheron's own turns can bypass 1-per-game-action limit. One if she applies a debuff (such as from her signature LC). Another if she uses her skill (literally part of the skill's effect to give an ult stack). Another from starting her turn if she's E2. Literally Bronya/Sparkle/Sunday/Any Action Advance giving her another turn to use her skill is essentially like giving 3 stacks on its own. So it still seems the well-known 2 Nihility E2S1 Acheron + Jiaoqiu + Sparkle + Aventurine E0S1 is still far more efficient at generating """""""""""unlimited stacks""""""""""". All 3 supporting characters are effectively trying to work around the stacking limits with Jiaoqiu's field applying stacks outside of his own specific turn (on enemy turns), Sparkle from just action advancing Acheron so she can generate her own 3 stacks again (while also crit buffing Acheron and her ults), and Aventurine from being able to apply debuffs outside of his own specific turn through follow up attacks (via signature LC). Likewise, Break/SuperBreak damage isn't scaled by crit chance/crit dmg, so exo toughness or superbreak damage application isn't exactly scaling Acheron in a relevant capacity, either. And it's not like the other characters are exactly scaling for break damage either or are contributing meaningful damage compared to Acheron's Ult. (Even Fugue buffed Aventurine's followup attack is dealing less than 30k dmg to all 5 enemies, whereas Acheron is dealing 2.5million)

[@chitbu24]

Guys, E2 Acheron + JQ + Sparkle better or E2 Ache + JQ + Fugue ? Sustain is Aven in both teams

[@remy_reeves]

@@chitbu24 Sparkle 100%

[@onimusha950]

How about E2 Acheron + JQ + Robin?

[@remy_reeves]

@@onimusha950 both good, Sparkle is a solid crit buffer and SP positive. Her skill grants crit dmg + 50% AA that benefits Acheron E2 on a *long run* . (Making E6 Acheron skills hit like a truck) As for Robin the Queen of zero cycle, her ult grants coordinates atk + atk buff + 100% AA. *BUT* she depends a lot on her ult. Make sure her ult is ready when the previous one is about to end.

[@chitbu24]

dont have robin, and recently we just got her rerun so I guess Sparkle is best for now

[@Carnaj90]

If you run slow Aventurine and have his signature LC, then he doesn't need Fugue to get stacks for Acheron.

[@slasherzone]

Explain please

[@Carnaj90]

@slasherzone If you just want Acheron stacks from Aventurine his signature light cone makes his follow up attacks do an invulnerability debuff.

[@stevend9968]

Well yes but fugue will still be better for debuff.. Since not only does fugue allow aven's follow up to apply debuff.. It also does on his basic atk

[@nothingtoseehere9279]

⁠@@stevend9968but is it worth to use fugue but not any other harmony is probably no so still the same thing

[@MoistCat-hj9gw]

​@@juniipurr22 🧢

[@alria2133]

I have e2 aven already so no tankyun for me

[@apocalypse5483]

how do you get acheron to stay in white hair form all the time?

[@ren-rj2bt]

Why u disabling adblockers

[@electrickzy]

I wanna see this but with Lingsha or Gallagher instead

[@Sakamoto_1535E3]

High frequency ult but am not sure about the DPS

[@ridash7ice]

So, how about now? 😅

[@mercibeaucoup49]

​@@ridash7ice the dps is gonna be pretty low in moc and as content, this team only good in pure fiction

[@SDseb]

@@mercibeaucoup49how so? Isn’t her ult her main source of dmg? How can it be low when she’s getting her ult very fast?

[@mercibeaucoup49]

@@SDseb it won't be this fast in other content and it won't deal much damage at all, because pf have a special massive buff that season

[@remy_reeves]

Acheron ult overkill most of the PF mobs anyways. In this case, the faster ult, the better.

[@ReviRavioli]

Can fugue use her skill on herself and will it apply the buff? I wanna try out dps fugue even tho i know it'll prob suck 💔

[@useruser7176]

Wtf, how did you change acheron appearance

[@aftanprodhan]

So guys is fugue worth getting I'm a new player so don't understand the maths i use acheron pela guinafen and gerpard planning to get jaqiou for gui is fugue better than pela

[@ashrafhakim379]

Pela better for Acheron imo

[@timeisetched4648]

I don’t think your team needs fugue, as only advanturine/Lingsha benefit more from her debuff to stack more for Acheron for sustain units,if you have e0s1 advanturine it helps a bit but for E2s1 it doesn’t help at all. Pela gives more def shred so you’re better off without fugue and wait for JQ. Unless you want to try something funny like BreAkheron sounds like an option to me 😂

[@rakawidi-bo3ps]

Imo Better pela, But if u want to prepare break pulling for fugue also good.

[@Windtorment]

You don't need to pull for fugue. She isn't a must for this team. But do save enough to get Jiaoqiu. He's a massive upgrade for Acheron and makes things very smooth.

[@aftanprodhan]

@Windtorment thanks

[@JMike-bq6rl]

"Oprah" Gallagher with R5 Multiplication be like: "You get a Def shred....and you get a Def shred....Everyone's gonna get a def shred."

[@mihneadragu1116]

Nah, she works with everyone well but needs e1 and lingsha to work with Rappa, this is some bullsht

[@zannax351]

How the hell does she need e1 and lingsha to work with rappa, she is quite literally a game changer for rappa at e0s0 without either of what you just mentioned

[@wleiuhwe]

Does using Fugue in Acheron's party give any advantage over using Sunday/Sparkle assyming that Acheron is E2? Yes, the Ult cycle will be much faster, but what I'm asking is in a damage-wise.

[@fogd7611]

No. The damage-wise would be lower, this team comp is only better in pf, better use Sparle or Sunday than Fugue in any other mode.

[@jakit0556]

Wouldn't trade of market lc be more stacks?

[@JoeyJoJoJr17]

My understanding is no, but do not take my word on this. The way slashed dream stacks generate is 1-per-game-action. Only Acheron's turns herself can grant more than 1, up to 3. If Acheron applies a debuff herself (such as Mirage Fizzle through her signature LC) that's 1. If she uses her Octobolt Flash skill, the skill itself specifically states it generates 1 extra. And if Acheron is E2 it specifically states when Acheron just starts her turn at all, she just gets another. An E2S1 Acheron using her skill will generate 3 total. An E0S0 Acheron just using her basic attack can gain 0. In the same way that Pela's Ult applying defense shred to 5 enemies is still one game action and still generates only 1 stack (not 5), enemies taking their turn is a game action. Jiaoqiu's Ult creates a field, such that enemies taking their turns are afflicted with Ashen Roast/Burn DoT as they take their turn. Universal Trend LC for Preservation characters is again another DoT, and if they hit the Preservation character they already gave Acheron the stack if they were burned by Ashen Roast during their turn anyways, so the debuff is redundant outside of one condition. Single boss enemies that take double turns in a row, and only if the 2nd action hits the preservation character. When they start their first turn ashen roast gives Acheron a stack. When they take their 2nd action and hit the preservation character with Universal Trend LC and get a retaliation burn dealt to them, that's a second. That can only be 100% controlled with Fire MC and their taunt skill, otherwise Preservation characters just have marginally higher taunt/threat levels than other characters.

[@SDseb]

Is this team good in MOC or AS? I heard it’s not, but since Acheron gets her ult up so fast which is her main source of damage doesn’t it benefit overall?

[@nothingtoseehere9279]

No it not, it only viable or ok in there because sure acheron can get ult more frequently but is it more beneficial than an actual harmony is a different thing

[@pacifistdiobelike9398]

I kinda sad that lightcone "trend of universal market" and jiaoqiu's ult do not stack Archeron's ult simultaneously. (In the same turn, enemy hit Aventurie and will get burn but it does not stack for Archeron's ult if that enemy got debuff by Jiaoqiu's ult before that. In other word u can only get 1 stack for Archreon in that enemy's turn)

[@blursedpasta7718]

sadly i will only afford 30 pulls on fugue(build a bit of pity for summon meta)

[@karemeloiza5267]

A melhor equipe pra acheron

[@jms_rmr12]

Wow Fugue make E2 Acheron is useless

[@Condensed_rock]

Well, robin is good

[@playinghsr]

wait but adventurine s1 still can get 1 stack for acheron when he use fua did he ?

[@remy_reeves]

But imagine avent giving 1 stack everytime enemy hit, fua, ult, and basic atk.

[@playinghsr]

@ really correct thought

[@valk5041]

So for e2 acheron we just remove jq for sparkle?

[@baoanhnguyenhoang7555]

You would remove Fugue and keep either Sparkle or Robin, who on earth would replace JQ aka Acheron's BiS who assist her in all aspect ?

[@TrickStariel]

How would Foxian Prayer overlap with E2S1 Aventurine? Does Acheron count Aven-with-Foxian-Prayer's basic/FUA as 2 stacks or one? I know the pearl of sweat lightcone and Pela's ult doesn't count as 2 Acheron ult stacks so wondering if this is the same.

[@flay9761]

Acheron can only get 1 stack per unit action (assuming that action debuffs an enemy) no matter what So if you have E2S1 Aventurine with Fugue's skill on him, you will still only get 1 stack

[@kenobieost5476]

Nah, if it worked like that, Guinaifen with Lukas sweaty lc would be the best stacker for Acheron ult

[@JMike-bq6rl]

What if you give Pela the R5 Tutorial LC, while linked with Fugue's Foxian Prayer And Fugue uses the Resolution LC instead?

[@ameerr0812]

Speed acheron on moc n as😢

[@ZytenEspada]

Too bad fugue locked to himeko indefinitely as I'd like another Nihility playmate for Acheron.

[@voidwalker8430]

As much as i love seeing her at the top again but I don't think that will happen anytime soon. Next nihility will probably be for DoT comps

[@teamhebi13]

Aventurine needs his hat on for next update lol

[@itsmethemario8846]

I smell JQ treament in V6: her def apply on skill can only trigger 6 times per skill usage.

[@shariqikram5832]

There is no v6

[@alonelycacti]

This is the final version, no further changes in their kits.

[@Simca0503]

will this be the new best team for Acheronie?

[@rajasarkasdarisinope]

for pure fiction? yes, could be more than dotcheron with kafka and black swan. but in as dan moc, not really, if you have one or two nihility with 161 spd eagle set, it can be better

[@Simca0503]

@rajasarkasdarisinope awesome! I find PF is the mode where I struggle the most so I was looking into pulling for units that can help. Thanks so much!

[@HoKaung]

Sunday or fugue? I have acheon and FF

[@MiniFatRat]

Do you have ruan Mei? If you do, then go for Sunday

[@Random-tg7vr]

How does acheron crit so often with only 65% crit rate ?

[@Qlevr]

Relic set + sphere set add cr

[@andreafilippini3144]

Pioneer Relic Set give her 4% extra Crit Rate when she applies a debuff (with her skill in Acheron's case) and Izumo (Planar) gives her another 12% that doesn't show until you're in combat because it's a conditional buff (it requires another character of the same path as the wearer to trigger and both Jiaoqiu and Fugue count) so it's closer to 80-82% crit rate

[@Fycku424]

The power of not giving a fuck, nihility

[@calxd6511]

While on battle, acheron can gain a 15% or 20% crit rate boost with her traces, mine while on battle has 75% crit rate and an incredible 200% crit dmg

[@remy_reeves]

With the help of aeon of gambling

[@thehoangnguyen9985]

Auto gonna buff acheron anyway, who tf plays on manual these day

[@ctglloured]

and again Aventurine proofs himself for being the most broken sustainer. insane survivability, decent dmg, massive follow up atk and crazy ults battery for unit like Acheron and Feixiao 🌚

[@calxd6511]

Question, is aventurine lc more worth it in general for both fei xiao and acheron teams?

[@ZytenEspada]

​worth if you already have him. Otherwise getting him and his lc is more costly but it still not a bad investment if you got the jades. @calxd6511

[@Condensed_rock]

​@@calxd6511if you have gepard lc, put it on him, youll be immortal

[@tieAcherry101]

It’s the fact that in this team he performs worst than Lingsha.

[@daylovemail]

personally not good at this game so I wanted to ask if its worth getting aventurine for acheron? 🥲