Hornby Duchess of Sutherland : Repair Request Fail

I was sent this Hornby Duchess of Sutherland by Alan. He bought it on ebay as a bit of a punt but it was a non runner and needed work so he asked if I'd have a look at it.
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[@OldSonyMan]

The model that stopped me buying 'new' (as a kid) was the tender drive 'Duchess of Sutherland ' back in 1978. It was horrible, the cab number was printed badly on one side, the clips holding the tender body on got broke, so it would come off when picked up ! Worst of all, the electrical connection between engine and tender was bent and never worked properly. So it got put in a cupboard for 20 years and when it 'emerged' again the main driving wheels crumbled to dust ! ! ! I paid good money to make them right again but I don't think it's ever ran again ! Such a shame as it was a beautiful model and was light years ahead of the old 'Tri-ang' models that came before it !

[@cobbinscornerjunction5973]

Hi Bill, you should be able to remove the cracked gear from the double gear, there are pressed on the shaft separately, the you will just need to find one that has the same number of teeth, you can use gears that are axles, and on step down gears. I've done this alot and it works for me.

[@greatnorthernrailwaytother4711]

Hi Bill, last option would be to strip back running gear until it rolls nicely and use it as a dummy for double heading. Cheers Peter from downunder.

[@stephenmarshall9574]

I’ve got an old wheelset for a Duchess and also the double gear from a Merchant Navy which I think is the same. The double gear is the older brass one. You are welcome to them if you want.

[@marcdempsey5850]

Always enjoyable; never accept defeat; hopefully the wheel set and the double drive gear will appear in a short time. A truely lovely surprise at the end credits… excellent finishing touch to an enjoyable and informative video. Many thanks agian from Marc in Leighton Buzzard

[@hughoconnor9172]

A valiant attempt. The lack of spares for Hornby is staggering! I suspect it's due to cost cutting?

[@ausfoodgarden]

I'm sure someone could 3D print a replacement gear for you if you gave them the broken one as a template. I'd offer to do it for you but my being in Australia is a bit of a problem. If anyone is thinking of making new gears FDM seems to last much better than resin gears. I think the resin is too brittle. Cheers!

[@forrestrobin2712]

OOBill NEVER fails 👍 It’s just a matter of time before the follow up video. In the worst case maybe you couid find a suitable worm gear and brass axle cog. Back in the day such things were readily available… (1980’s - showing my age here!) from companies like Alain Gibson.

[@alunjones4427]

This is where a 3D Resin printer would be handy it should be able to copy those gears with a bit of practice. 😅

[@cau4913]

I second that. 3D printing is something i would like to progress with.

[@timyoung7788]

The gear on the drive wheel is usually identical to the small gear on part X8849 or similar. Plenty of X8859s around DCC where the large gear has cracked but the smaller one is ok. Just remove the wheel from the axle and replace the gear. Once the quartering is done it's good to go.

[@JerseyBill-x9r]

I cannot believe that a double gear that thick could split. It must be quality of the plastic used by Hornby or the Chinese manufacturer that made it for them. I have had many problems with older Bachmann and Life-Like gears with an absence of any available parts. Sometimes you just need to stop and admit that it can't be fixed at this time. Great video, Jersey Bill

[@brianparker2478]

Why would Hornby spend a few pounds on spares ,when if your loco packs up ,you buy a new one ? I believe that the same spare has multipal reference numbers and I have had several successes with alternative part numbers.I may be wrong but I think that the double gear has two variants? I had a Q6 which after a few months the motor burnt out.The model had been detailed and weathered so invalidating any warranty,but a search in Google came up with an article on replacement motor,had to reduce shaft length and transfer worm gear and still runs today after many years.Thanks for a great channel OOBill,always enjoyable and educational.

[@AlexBrooks-kp8qm]

I had the same problem with my double gear and I was able to replace it with another locos double gear and I think THINK it was a kings

[@jeffreysmith156]

At worst it could become an unpowered dummy model, as illustrated by the coda to your video. Well done for highlighting the problems. I fear for my versions of the same. I will also have a look in my small spares' tin.

[@NextEevolution]

I really do wish Hornby would sell that double gear as a spare part separately. It's plastic against a brass worm drive. I've seen some nicer models online that go for quite a discount because that gear has bitten the dust

[@SoRTs6233]

You can't win 'em all, Bill! But, great try! Love the 'Duchess of Sutherland', well, I would (check its number!). Cheers, Jim L

[@cau4913]

With regards to the merchandise available, i would like to suggest car window stickers with the 00 bill logo & give it a skoosh next to it

[@knottyal2428]

They don't make Chinesium as good as they used to when I were a lad. Not your fault Bill!

[@AaronOxfordExmouth1989]

Not defeat, just a setback. I've got a few models that require new gears and they just don't exist. I've even considered Re-gearing it. These things are sent to try us. It's a complete capital B when we meet those problems, if anyone can, you can. Great video.

[@richardspencer5777]

Hi Bill, Peters Spares are showing a Duchess gear set Hornby X7360 don't know if this is the same, just thought it maybe worth a look

[@stevenaddy163]

Hi try the gears, idler and final drive for the Royal Scot. They seem to be available and the driving wheels are of a similar size. Many Hornby parts are interchangeable such as motors. The worm is just a one tooth gear and they only difference can be the pitch. Hornby's are mostly the same.

[@ringmastermodels]

Splitting gears is an increasingly common issue with Hornby steamers.. spares? Nope. Had to turn away a chap the other day who had a Schools with a split gear. Couldn’t take the repair on when the part doesn’t exist anymore.

[@joeschifano6181]

Evening Bill ,just a thought have you tried Lendons of Cardiff might be worth a look.

[@DaveAtLittleton]

Hi Bill, I'm looking decent for a nut spinner, please could you tell me what was the red one you were using? Do you know if it's on Amazon or another website?

[@oobill]

Hornby R913 Con Rod Spanner. Available on Amazon, Ebay and most places...

[@DaiElsan]

Can anyone 3D print a double gear?

[@dansmodelrailways7886]

Bill, try looking at other gears from fowler tanks, royal scots etc, as they maybe different part numbers but they are the same piece! This is true of the gear from a J94, its exactly the same as the terrier but they have different X numbers!

[@oobill]

Yup. X6550 and X9181 look like they might work.

[@seanwaddingham6985]

@@oobill It would be really useful to work up a list of parts which appear in different models and which have different Hornby part numbers but are actually the same item. Tri-ang had a unified spares list, but Hornby have forgotten how. But then Tri-ang made gears to last fifty years!

[@WerewolfJTG]

Bill I have a double gear from a hornby coronation class city of Edinburgh 6241 if that might fit it

[@DavidStocker-pm4dy]

Hi Bill, I have sent you an email with a link for a gear set that I found at Peters Spares. I don't know if it is the correct one. It is a Duchess set. I have also found that they have a wheel set for non Speedo fitted.

[@shedhead00]

Bill, is there any chance of turning the locomotive into tender drive.

[@oobill]

Not on my watch....

[@stewartclark1847]

Hi Bill, spares for Hornby are very hard to get. You should be here in the land OZ. Seems no one here keeps Hornby spares. I was able to source spares from Peters Spares. The only problem now is postage since leaving Brexit the postage now is around £40 we’re as it was only a few pounds.

[@melanierhianna]

You should see if someone can design and 3D print replacements

[@periurban]

Dunt and skoosh! lol

[@stephenrice4554]

Good and noble try Bill. It was an interesting video though . ,

[@GRVR_Productions]

I need help on my Lilput ww2 German Steamer im gonna see if you coverd any electrical stiff on older locomotives😂😂

[@stephendavies6949]

Hi Bill. Bit of a random thought, but I know final drive gears for Mainline locos are readily available at relatively low cost. Would that be worth a try?

[@oobill]

There are plenty Hornby gears available that may work.

[@johnblunt1834]

Given the number of parts involved in these models, I'm surprised that these types of failure are not more common. A good try!

[@kevinblakeman8858]

Hi Bill there's a guy on eBay who does 3D printed gear's for the Hornby Fowler and stainier tank locos would these be of any use to you the seller is PK rail model railways

[@thestocktonflyer4059]

You can't win em all . Bill great video though 👌 👏

[@peternorris6438]

Without the spares one cannot do a repair job

[@PaulinesPastimes]

Oh dear, such a shame for a nice looking loco in that very attractive LMS livery. I have a feeling that it isn't the end though, at least I hope not. We are so used to watching your successes but not everything works out first time. I hope it doesn't end up at the scrap yard. 🤔

[@donniblanco5239]

😮 I’m Shocked to See such Abuse - It’s Had A Hard Life 😢

[@MrMichaelNoble]

Would you deal with n gauge at all or is that too fiddly to work with ?

[@oobill]

I haven't done to date but not because of it being fiddly it's more I don't have an N gauge track to test and run on. Plus it might be a bit of a Pandora's Box I'm not sure I should open...

[@petersmith4455]

hi Bill,good try. i have always said hornby spare parts service is a sham, in the Triang days i could always get parts.

[@stevenaddy163]

Seems like plenty x7360 about. 'New Modellers' are tops for me. Good luck

[@oobill]

X7360 is a very different double gear. However, I think X6550 and/or X9181 look like good candidates.

[@omygodtwo]

the first problem is the 'made in china' stamp.

[@JohnJohnson-cn9fh]

funny that,you never had this trouble with the old wrenn/hornby dublo or triang range,why the flimsy brittle gears.............jpj

[@l1a146]

Yes thats true, I have Dublo from the 40s that are still going strong. Built like sherman tanks, probably better.

[@barrytillman2818]

Well as is said you can’t win them all, Even Super Heroes have there bad days. Me thinks the seller on eBay might have known 🤔 buyer beware

[@maltnz]

Pull the motor and gears, find a suitable powered tender maybe? Downgrade I know.

[@AndrewKodachrome-qo9qs]

Imo, no point in repairing any China crap, it will only fail a few weeks down the line. My 1977 Hornby Duchess still good as new and nothing has broken etc