HoRNet Planer: Precision Audio Clipping Plugin Overview

[@phadrus]

There aren’t any other plugin makers I know of that are so transparent they are showing how their plugins look in Plugin Dr.

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you, I think we are not selling magic boxes but technical tools so they must be approached this way :)

[@sysxtem]

@@HoRNetWeb you say they aren't magic but i think they are!

[@PavloDerenevskyi]

​@@sysxtem only a sorcerer will tell you this

[@waynebaker2452]

I signed up for the Zoom presentation but couldn’t make it. Glad to see this demonstration. Looks like a great plugin!

[@HoRNetWeb]

Don't worry we are editing the zoom recording right now and it will be online soon!

[@EdwinDekker71]

Looks great! I use a lot of your plugins, great stuff. Some would argue that when you're clipping just the top couple of dB's of transients, the aliassing would be almost impossible to hear, still...nice to have the option of massive oversampling :) cheers

[@HoRNetWeb]

Yes I agree but since in modern production clipping is also used on busses or even some single instrument aliasing may add up.

[@lawinter1949]

I use VHS on every session. I absolutely love Hornet plugins. I have a plugin requests. Can you make a plugin that allows you to delta solo a chain of other plugins? I am picturing a plugin that has an instance before the chain an one after and the one before ports the before signal to the after and then flip its phase so it creates a delta solo signal with any plugins in a DAW like Logic which does not have this ability built in on a single channel. I use delta soloing a lot or bus processing and sidechain ducking.

[@phadrus]

Great idea. Hornet CLMS already lets you maintain loudness for AB comparisons of an FX chain so adding the delta to that would be brilliant.

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@phadrus yep it's pretty easy if you can handle the latency that may be included by plugins in the chain

[@DazhDrews6tothe4]

This clipper is really the baddest (Michael Jackson BAD!!!) clipper I have in my collection (and I have many!!)!! The tone shaping capabilities are really, really good!! It's just a clipper but I was really impressed by the functionality and simplicity of the plugin!!! Definitely moves to the front of the pack!!! Great job sir, thank you for making so many great mixing tools!!!!

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much :) I'm glad you like our tools! If you have any suggestion just let me know :)

[@tekis0]

The bass drum was a little too quiet in the demonstration. I'm coming to the Hornet Zoom webinar this afternoon. I can't wait!

[@HoRNetWeb]

Great catch you later!

[@MetalPrometheus]

Always makes good vst. Please make more guitar vst😊

[@HoRNetWeb]

Oh we a new one is coming tomorrow :)

[@sickassbeats]

So I saw recently another Clipper that’s has been getting quite a lot of attention recently, the Orange Clip, resembling the soft clip from FL Studio. Would Planer be a good competitor to Orange clip?

[@HoRNetWeb]

Well Planer offers a lot of flexibility and honestly I never tried Orange Clip so I cannot comment on that. We have a demo, if you want you can try it out and compare for yourself!

[@oviqru]

Hi Saverio, I bought Planer last week when it was released. A couple of questions if I may: Q1: How should the user interpret the dB reading in the Knee section? I assume the Transfer function works on a certain ratio. Q2: Reading of the gain reduction is more of a guess due to the scale being small. Would be possible to display the momentary and max values?

[@HoRNetWeb]

Hi the dBs in the knee reading are the width of the transition area so if the ceiling is 0dB and the knee is 6DB it means that the transition area starts at -6dB. Regarding the gain reduction, the scale goeds from 0 to -12 and it's one light a dB

[@oviqru]

​@@HoRNetWeb Thanks for the prompt reply. How many dBs of gain reduction should we expect in your example (ceiling = 0dB, knee = 6dB)? What I am trying to get to is: if the user targets a specific number of dB reduction (i.e. 3dB) from the Peak, how should dial the knee in order to achieve it? Also, what are the markers on the transfer scale (0 to 1 in increments of 0.2) related to?

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@oviqru Hi, I usually never cut more than 3dBs in mastering situations (but it depends on the track) usually I start with a 6dB soft knee and if I feel I'm loosing too much transient I reduce the one until I get the sound I like (sometimes you simply have to go hard clipping (like in some electric genres where the drum hits are very heavy). regarding the scale, in digital audio a signal goes from -1 to +1 (simple numbers) so those numbers simply represent that

[@oviqru]

@@HoRNetWeb No worries, thanks.

[@esahm373]

6:39 You meant to say "odd harmonics" right?

[@esahm373]

Auto-Oversampling when offline rendering doesn't work in Ableton with VST3 plugins. Have you noticed the issue before?

[@HoRNetWeb]

Hi no we are not aware of the issue, could you please open a support ticket so we can have a look?

[@esahm373]

@@HoRNetWeb This is a general issue in Ableton when using VST3 plugins. You can test it. It's not your fault, but Ableton's

[@HoRNetWeb]

​@@esahm373 Hi, nice to know we have some contact inside Ableton i'll make sure they know

[@esahm373]

@@HoRNetWeb Yes, you can try it yourself. Make a 44.1k session. Use a high frequency test signal (eg a sine set around the 9000hz area). Clip it to a degree where without OS you would have obvious aliasing, but with OS the aliasing would almost completely disappear. Now set the plugin to Auto OS (OS when rendering / offline). Export the signal to an audio file. Import into a new session and check whether the Auto OS has been applied or ehether the aliasing is still fully there. Someone told me that Ableton doesn't recognise the offline status of VST3 plugins, hence it can not apply offline OS settings, even if you activate them in the plugin.

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@esahm373 our auto oversampling algorithm is based around the sample rate reported by the host so i think i have to check wether Live reports a different sample rate while exporting or something else. have you checked if the VST2 behaves the same?

[@DazhDrews6tothe4]

Seems like it's causing cpu spikes in logic pro x!! Too bad, it's rendered useless with these spikes. I hope an update fixes that.

[@HoRNetWeb]

Hi could you please open a support ticket to try to help us identifying the issue? we don't seem to be able to replicate it (please let us know your same rate, buffer size and the oversampling option that causes the issue)

[@marcorecupero2236]

Bellissimo plug-in complimenti

[@HoRNetWeb]

Grazie mlle ! sono contento che ti piaccia

[@Frontier2000AnoDomin]

I haven´t tried it yet, but we are running older systems. No options between x16 and no oversampling?

[@HoRNetWeb]

The auto option contemplates also value in between but it works accordingly to sample rate, it requires a minimum of 1536000Hz of bandwidth so it computes oversampling accordingly.