REVAMPED ARGUS IS THE WORSE REVAMPED SO FAR

[@tharkhant9870]

Hororo: telling Argus is a bad heroes Also him: playing Argus like a pro Edit:Thank for all the likes. Edit 2: hororo is a guy go watch hororo Q&A video

[@khensorela312]

Not when you have bad teammates

[@tharkhant9870]

@@khensorela312 of course in solo que he is not a strong heroes

[@Vivisheyislonger]

Just wait until you get 1d1ot team who don't want to accompany you 👀

[@Umar092]

1:00 That teamfight gave him a little early game boost + slowed down Ling.

[@ILLUMINATI838]

It's just teamwork.

[@HRGEntertainment]

I was so excited for the initial slower, more powerful Argus that was less dependent on his ult. But after the nerfs on release, and the buffs afterwords, he has turned into the opposite, cannot do anything without his ult

[@yahikopain7040]

Agree

[@hi-ks8vv]

They did the same to thamuz

[@i_UCH1HA]

Bruh...in late game other heros one shots him even without their ult..one chou just kicked me and i died

[@thalassaer4137]

@@i_UCH1HA git gud

[@Kasmot]

@@i_UCH1HA Well not only that when you ult most heroes now have dash on top of flicker so they will just runaway from you. The main issue for me in ML is too many new heroes have escape mechanism making it so hard for old heroes to compete.

[@burnzey1785]

Since his revamp he has lost 84 physical attack at level 15 and a drop of 33% attack speed. His 3 passive strikes each gave him health, but they reduced the strikes to 1 but didn't adjust the self heal. Skill 2's bleed doesn't work on enemies using movement skills like Fanny's Cables, charge abilities or leap passives. It's also negated on targets standing still whether they're stunned or intentional player action which is 75% of the damage output. Old Argus S2 was better. Tying his rage generation to his survivability also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If you pop ult before you get your first Warmonger, you lose burst potential. Too late and you get one shot. It's such a conflicting ability tbh. Love Argus, fun character, but he is massively flawed since his revamp which is why people think he's trash atm

[@Kiri.Dragoon]

I was waiting for the new leaderboard to update so I can gain the supreme title of argus in my country but after the leaderboard did update and I tried him he is completely useless he can't catch up to fast enemies he doesn't have enough burst damage to kill anyone and the only use he has is pushing lanes and taking damage with his ultimate for allies I felt useless with him unless it's late game and even then I don't have much damage and I can't even catch up to anyone so he's pretty much useless right now.

[@Nobody-kb7ti]

@@Kiri.Dragoon the old argus can pretty much catchup In mid- late game,but now argus is the same as yi shun shin he must out farm the enemies in order to deal alot of damage.

[@chillcult1613]

Just make his Pass: just need buff tbh or change it to deal massive dmg instead of heal(to sync with his ulte) skill 1 : no adjustment needed Skill 2 : Just make it give Argus move spd if it hit enemy Ulte Passive : change attack bonus --> atk speed Ulte itself :Nerf the healing,increase his Ulte to 5s again

[@Kiri.Dragoon]

@@Nobody-kb7ti yeah and even then his damage isn't significant enough to fight most fighters one-on-one like he used to

[@phnath5933]

@@Kiri.Dragoon yeah and with 1st skill on CDafter ult your auto dead on teamfights

[@Dabe31XD]

Argus was my main hero before his revamp. I have a 80 percent winrate with him. But after the revamp his ult feels like it lose its purpose. Pre revamp is like all about knowing when to dive with him. Being stragical to fully dive and out after 5 sec. Since he also have a pretty long Cd for ult, you can sometimes play mind games to the enemy, making them think you have ult to make them run and you free hit them. All of that change after the revamp, since the enemy knows his ult CD is shorter, they always expect you to have it and just wait for you to waste it before they figth back. Also 3 sec is really just too short, it's like you dive then pop your ult, got stun, chased then before you can attack the ult is gone already. I hope they just revert him back. Also after revamp my WR with him becomes 70+ only sad

[@MingYT01]

Imagine Argus Ultimate still had the 25% CCR and it lasts for 6 second

[@looocooo1470]

Facts, he needs bluffs. Starting with mobility, his mobility is just oow for a melee hero that relies on basic. Ult needs buff, dont think the 4sec ult is worth. I would rather have 5sec. If moonton add more effects in his ult, probably 4sec will be worth. With ult, I'll add permanent movement speed, resilience and remove permanent damage to bonus damage. If they want to keep permanent damage, they should buff base damage and damage growth. Lastly, buffing passive damage will be too much, I will say buff the healing from passive.

[@fos1451]

You really can't prove that a heroes is bad while having a 70+ winrate, you have no say asking to buff him if you still win that much

[@jetherarroz1118]

@FOS what the og comment said is that his WR becomes low from 80% to 70% that means he lose way too much after the revamp

[@starryskyhighway9628]

after revamp and later bit buffed he is OP lol then he got nerfed which make him bad which destroyed the point of revamp i remember three swing and already half HP

[@hebebsl9568]

it is and i dont even want to play him after the update i havent even touched him 🙂🙂

[@ethannnnn31]

👀 I kinda read that wrong...

[@Stendeverplays]

Yes me too I just kinda read it completely wrong

[@mklhc5226]

touched his what??? 👁️👄👁️

[@zaprizmakira1]

@@ethannnnn31 well... I guess it's not just me 👀👀

[@bestdadoftheyear7181]

he's not bad, just not good enough to be a monster like he used to be, i only use him to push deep into the enemy base or their backs to penetrate the softies.

[@justsomerandomcatintheinte9838]

I remember using him before his revamp and dominating with him and i still did pretty good after the revamp but after a while he fell off i cant chase fast enemies and end up being dead which is sad because i main him and i had a 75% winrate

[@alucardlord9032]

The problem is, hororo dont speak for every argus user A top tier argus user is very strong

[@muhammadsyarifhidayath7619]

@@alucardlord9032 yes he is very good at choosing items depending on the enemy, even I as the user don't dare if the enemy uses yuzhong or thamuz

[@bridledfury0412]

@@alucardlord9032 You can't take the best user of a hero and compare it to an average player. In a top tier game, even the best argus player would suffer very hard.

[@reiiz9942]

80 match and 75% win rate

[@muhammadsyarifhidayath7619]

@@reiiz9942 1000match 73%winrate top rank mythic 672 point

[@x_x-hyperfist2367]

As an Argus Main, I do feel the nerf. It has become a mobility hero while cutting its damage and survivability without ult. I do miss the old passive where it used to chase closer towards the enemy. However, with the recent item buffs, Dhs+Corr+Golden +inspire build is just too op with him. The damage kinda feels like the old Argus. But yes, I do agree they can add a few more small buffs like increasing passive damage or more 2nd skill dmg to creeps/minions. Also, Merry Christmas to everyone and stay safe. ❤

[@simonkoscak7404]

More dmg at 2nd skill to creeps is useless for him. He is basic attack fighter. Don't make him skill fighter like paquito.

[@randomtechpriest]

I really wish they would give him his old ASP and ATTACK scaling back

[@esnardojaredralph94]

i tried using that build but i still prefer the full critical build over that and use inspire

[@simonkoscak7404]

@@esnardojaredralph94 if you are against squishy heroes. But in higher ranks, almost every opponent on exp line build dominance ice as second or third item And that will drop your DPS with a critical build a lot. I use DHS, corrosion scythe, golden staff, malefic roar and blade of despair. Decent attack speed, high dmg and good penetration. Can literally 1 shot squishy heroes and melt tanks really quick.

[@ShinoaHira]

@@simonkoscak7404 that build is for ppl that use defense but not for adcs

[@OhayoEquinoxOyasumi]

They should increase his mobility since he has such low base attack, he does hit fast though so they should give his passive a buff like make it increased in range whenever the passive bar is full and make it so that he charges to the enemies with each attack by his passive, then give him movement speed boost on ulti definitely.

[@hi-ks8vv]

I think his second skill needs to be replaced or reworked

[@gab_amanOO]

2 ways to do that: Either buy hunter strike with corrosion scythe or windtalker with war axe

[@smile-pm1mt]

Dosent he have low base attack speed when compared to most fighters?

[@ikhsanmuhammad2375]

His mobility are good and mov speed can be solved with corrosion, hunter strike or using sprint (believe me Argus with sprint is so much much much better than inspire). I mean the blood trail give him a pretty solid movement bonus. And hes completely immune to slow during ult. As long i used Argus i never have an issue with his movspeed, but its the very low base physical att and att speed thats caused the big problem

[@Kasmot]

So you're saying combine the mechanics of Freya and Alucard to Argus ?? lol. Just change his 2nd skill to a more useful one like a shield that reflects damage so it goes well with his ult when diving.

[@monhuils6066]

I'm soo glad u finally talk ab argus. as a main I'm so happy: Latest patch note up argus gets little better with new early game item but we still need more

[@IsoyaYasuji]

May I remind you all, _mages have higher phy atk than Argus_ It’s no wonder he almost does no dmg without inspire most occasions. Alot of fighters are getting buffed, but he’s left into the dusts

[@ferbiously]

He does decent damage with pen items tho

[@nobodyherexd9412]

Ironic that Rafaela have higher phy atk than Argus 💀

[@jhastagudgai3740]

When I'm playing argus, it feels like "yeah, uh-huh, ok" but when my enemy has argus, it's a danger to my senses ToT

[@muhammadfarizzuan9655]

Why? Its very easy to kill argus...dont move and build dominance ice ..and argus can do nothing

[@kairosbumanglag6512]

Thank you for shedding some light on argus, as an argus main it's really hard to play him in this meta and I've been winning consistently solely by pushing and objectives.

[@zengetsugaming1990]

Hey you and I do the same , indeed he can't really do much damage bcoz every hero is either tanky or really be a chicken running away and Argus can't catch up with them , so all I do is farm any item first push and when late game I more focus to attack enemy base and use inspire to end it

[@hi-ks8vv]

I used the dhs combo on him and its good you just need dhs, corosion, gold staff and wind talker the last one depends on you

[@zengetsugaming1990]

@@hi-ks8vv well I use DHS , corrosion , hunter strike , and malefic roar

[@valkorion46]

That problem some fighter can make Argus unless like yu chou martis ect

[@ferbiously]

@@zengetsugaming1990 just use pen items if you want more damage

[@Laqua_Asem]

As an Argus main, when i play old Argus i always use sprint cz in late game the damage is monster. But now, i always use inspire or execute:')

[@mzh4961]

I know right, the old Argus attack speed ratio is much better than now and his old passive is much better than now. Like what the hell did Moonton was smoking when revamping this hero?

[@cond3mned_24]

I use him as side lane pusher back then never cared about clashes damn it i miss those days.

[@warrenmark2538]

I really have a hard time killing some heroes in late game

[@atmajazone]

@@cond3mned_24 me too. He was the best split push.

[@candleplays8030]

@@mzh4961 i remember multiple times during his revamp he was nerfed because he eventually became broken a few times

[@IDKarion]

Remember the 2 hit passive that moves towards the hero? That was I think the peak argus. Because, I feel like that version of argus had no attack speed cap. But in this patch, the attack speed feels a capped without golden staff and corrosion scythe build

[@zackzoom8779]

Not really attack speed cap, he actually has lower attack speed at max level than most heroes

[@cookiesncream3265]

@@zackzoom8779 not to mention the shit transition compared to the old argus, the new Hp deletus combo atleast lets me feel the peak of old argus even if it's a little bit

[@hilmanmarlak8389]

And the sound effects of his passive. It sounds very satisfy especially when you build attack speed item. Miss that sounds

[@LRSGamingYT]

The best part about his Revamp was the Additional Curse effects on his second skill, which made him a bit stronger in early due to the additional continues damage if enemy moves 👍 TBH the heal effect added on his passive like Zilong doesn't make much difference at all. I want his old passive back, where he chases the Enemy a bit after 2 slashes and heals twice 😩🙌

[@lass_isolet]

the old passive fills up like crazy which is why I love him and yeah the only good thing about his revamp is the curse in 2nd skill. Ult and passive become worse

[@toshirouchiha1666]

His ult should be activated when he die, like u have 3 after death to do your ult like that guy from paladins 😭

[@zengetsugaming1990]

The old old Argus is late game monster and yes I miss it too 😔😔

[@Gatoxintoga892]

His current 2nd is quite bad tho in my experience when I fought anyone tanky with lifesteal and regen. They don't have to move and they more or less have the bulk and damage to tank a few hits against you without moving. Argus of course isn't an early game hero so I don't expect him to win but he can't really exchange pokes between enemies if they are smart enough to not move. Of course in lower elo it is much easier to abuse this since they will move which I'm guessing because they never bothered to check Argus's skills. Also yeah I want his old passive back.

[@zengetsugaming1990]

@@Gatoxintoga892 we all wish his old passive back and talk about passive his healing is really bad except when using his ult

[@r0turn3hk]

I clicked immediately when i saw Argus in title

[@hi-ks8vv]

Argus main?

[@r0turn3hk]

@@hi-ks8vv yes

[@zephirox4649]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT!!! My God I used to main Argus so many times before he was revamped. What I liked the most about him before he was revamped was his passive. Even though he had no lifesteal in his passive. It did make him extremely powerful in the late game because the lower Argus's health the faster his passive charges. Also his ultimate it was best when it was 5 seconds and he could still activate it even when he is suppressed by Franco or Kaja. I don't care if his ultra had a long cooldown back then because he was more fun to use. I don't care what anyone says. His revamp is the worst and will always be.

[@KDBabes]

Yea that long cd was not a problem before... it was like we shld wait till 10-13 mins to get main items and he would be beast....... Now its underwhelming to play him

[@sacredband7089]

True. But the only thing i loved about his revamp was the short cd on his ulti and the 2nd phase of his 1skill even if no target is hit. His passive regen is negligible rn and his 2nd skill damage is mediocre especially early in the game when ur enemies would simply hold their ground because argus' base damage is tooooo low

[@chillcult1613]

True,a skill to surpass even suppression is worth stil worth it even at 60s cd

[@HydraVoid64]

I've Used Argus 1500 Times in game Rank and Before His Revamp I was Killing it and my Friends would always Invite me. But Now the Enimes are faster then Him, The 2ed Skills Trail when Hit takes time for you to go Fast, He Does Worthless without his ultimate, and I don't use him Much anymore in Rank because of it also The worse is the Enimes MM with Wind of Nature

[@wilhelmsteele5560]

A buff to his Base Stats would be great and bringing his Old passive or even better combining the current passive with the old one so he could at least put up a fight in the exp lane like the old days

[@Zacharie27]

I like the first release revamp where he can pursue the enemies with 3 basic attack passive, idk why they remake it into quick 2 hits

[@smile-pm1mt]

Even a slight buff would help him nicely. For example: lower the cast animations of his first and second skill, increase his heal from passive in the early stages and the rage gain. Thats it. My idea for his ult: Immortality lasts for 3.5 seconds instead of 4 but now the duration increases by 0.1 second for every 5% hp lost up to 1.5 extra seconds. This makes him more challenging but more rewarding to play. Edit: What do you guys think about this new passive effect: Argus regenerates 5% hp when hp is lower than 10%. Cooldown: 20 seconds. This is supposed to save him from a fatal blow just incase he missed his ultimate. Or this: Argus gains 15% extra movement speed when heading towards enemies with hp lower than 40%. Orrr this: Argus becomes invulnerable for 0.5 when hp is lower than 5%. Cooldown 20 seconds. Same purpose as the first one but different in effect. Edit: I know this comment is long af but hear me out. New effects on second skill: if the skill does not hit any enemy heroes, cooldown will be reduced by 60%. Minor but game changing buff for early game 🤯

[@shirou0792]

I just got a deja vu reading your comment 😂

[@smile-pm1mt]

@@shirou0792 how so 😂

[@shirou0792]

@@smile-pm1mt While I was reading your comment, I took a glance at the video and that's when it happened

[@smile-pm1mt]

@@shirou0792 good to know i guess

[@lekoknightgaming8071]

@@smile-pm1mt would be nice if that was his buff

[@princelupingamer9395]

As a long time argus main, i think its half decent. Not the worst and not the best. Argus mobility and chasing capabilities scales from fine to great (probably you only see bad argus mains) but the worst part of the revamp is the overnerfs moonton did to argus before they released him. Literally, the dude's passive got revamped TWICE first its a 3 slash and then it turned into a phantom slash or shit. Although i love his new passive, i cant deny that the 3 slash is just way better at improving his overall chasing and the damage is busted with the right build (i can even one shot a squishy with passive alone.) I just wish montoon sticked to his 3 slash passive and made improvements to his stats instead of revamping his passive again. As for his skills, the first and his second skill adjustments is arguably the best adjustments they did in his revamped. The problem with his first is that if you miss your target which often it does thanks to its shit hitbox and shit speed of the animation, he's fucked 10 times over because he cant get out but after the adjustment. Not only was it improved drastically in terms of its hitbox and speed But also he can get out easily. Giving him great mobility that rivals chou's and chasing capabilities that gives alucard the run of his money thanks to his combined first and second skill's adjustments. The problem with the old meteoric strike is that its lackluster, everyone can just brush it off. Its not useful for jungling and certainly not useful for wave clearing since it doesnt have the bonus damage that his new second skill has. It also didn't helped that his old second skill's effect is trash because theres no consequences from just running away from argus and most of the time the enemies can just escape pretty easily that even layla with sprint can escape. But with his new second skill, not only it is super helpful in jungling and wave clearing but also it is way harder now to run away from argus since the bleed effect is just painful that even if you escaped argus with low hp, the bleed effect will just finish you off. I see that happened many times and its satisfying to watch. As for his ult, im mixed with it. Even if it has wayyy lower cooldown which by the way is a needed adjustment for his ult but also he got slow immunity and higher rage gain now but the 4s ult duration and not being immune to suppression makes it worse for me imo. Old argus ult also has a 15%cc reduction which in my honest opinion should be added back to his ult. His ult may have a way higher 80 seconds ult that makes argus unplayable in the first place but i cant deny that 5s of death immunity and 15%cc reduction makes it great and i wish moonton add back his 5s ult and 15% cc reduction if they really want to make him popular again. As for his stats, i got one thing to say. ITS GOO GOO GAA GAA TRAAASH. i mean seriously man, 159 base phy? THATS GOO GOO GAA GAA TYPE SHIT. This is where moonton screwed up the most, even with his ult passive, he still has 189 base phy which is still trash. It wasn't enough for moonton to trash his base phy they also trashed his scaling, they fucked his phy and aspd scaling so hard it singlehandedly made a revamp that i considered is good and meet my expectations to a half decent revamped and made me regret even playing him. Honestly, revamped argus could've been great, even be considered one of the great revamps moonton ever did if they just chose to fuck one of his stats instead of fucking all of them, even if they trashed his base phy to 189, it still would be somewhat reasonable drawback of the revamp if they didnt fucked his scaling BADLY and if they want to fuck his aspd scaling, they should've left his base phy and phy scaling alone and if they want to fuck his phy scaling, they should've left the aspd scaling alone. What a waste of potential is the only thing i could only say to his revamped. I got alot more to say about his design but since you only ask about the balancing side of the revamp, i didnt included it.

[@burnzey1785]

"The problem with the old meteoric strike is that its lackluster, everyone can just brush it off. Its not useful for jungling and certainly not useful for wave clearing since it doesnt have the bonus damage that his new second skill has" The damage is only slightly higher with the bleed as they adjusted the intial damage and put most of the output into the bleed, which is only fully utilised on jungle mobs where the full 13 ticks play out. There is no fathomable scenario where the bleed is better. ~ It makes it harder to secure / steal mobs as it bleeds over 4 seconds. Kind sucks when enemy laner can walk over, hit their skill and steal back from you. ~ It makes it harder to secure kills in early game in team fights. Roam can accidently last hit while trying to secure kill. This ruins your growth ~ The synergy with his ult is insanely diminished for his health regen. Before you could S2 into somebody and receive that health back immediately. Now his ult won't receive the full duration of the bleed. ~ You can get initial hit off with S2, but if they pop one of their spammable shields on short CD, you've basically lost damage potential ~Player action such as stuns, movement abilities and standing still can negate the damage. Even if it's a 1 second animation, that is 25% of the damage output lost ~ The damage actually stagnates as you level up. I find it funny that level 3 S2 bleed ticks hit for equal or less than level 1. This is due to really bad scaling. Honestly, I hate skill 2. There are so many things wrong with it compared to right, it is his biggest flaw in his kit imo.

[@unseentree8191]

The old Argus was very good ...his attack speed was so good .but the revamp Argus is not good for me ..being a Argus main n stopping to use him is kinda hard

[@muhammadfarizzuan9655]

​@Muhammad Hanzo not gonnna lie that aargus after revamp is a big nerf with beautiful thing

[@andriands5926]

Hororo: "he needs buff" Also hororo: *proceeds to murk everyone in game But seriously he is a hero that depend on all kit in his arsenal, basic attack, skill, movement speed, attack speed you name it. Issues on heroes like this is that they dont have specialized build, they either sacrifice other aspect or be mediocre in all of them. Not a bad thing but it made him weird imo

[@leonidas3885]

Argus: IMMORTALITY OR DEATH Anyone with a stun: So you have chosen death.

[@threefs2082]

Argus with purify:*Pull a uno reverse card*

[@threefs2082]

@Miki rin Argus: technically wind chant only has 2 sec while my is ult 4 sec

[@KokePlaysTheBattleCats]

I think Argus is somewhat ok, but still, I miss his old passive where his rage would charge faster the lower hp he was, that actually made him really scary.

[@muhammadfarizzuan9655]

Okay ? HAHAHAHAHAH

[@KokePlaysTheBattleCats]

@@muhammadfarizzuan9655 ? What's Wrong?

[@yozuradrayer3659]

yeah a buff on argus is a must rn now also for those who had purchase all the hero and has a ton, I mean A TON OF HERO FRAGMENTS dont you think they should be able to like convert them to other fragments cuz rn I have 600+ and I have no use for them... a. convert them to other frags in 1:1 ratio b. still able to buy the heros with frags but convert them to 16k bp instead of 10k

[@jonong3836]

Argus revamp is the same with Hanabi revamp: it failed to fix the problems of the older version of the hero. Argus is basically unchanged, with the exception of his Passive (minor changes) and 2nd skill (minor changes). Is Argus bad? No, he can dish out a lot of damage, especially in the late game with inspire. But he is reliant on his ult to even do anything. Argus definitely needs another "revamp" to distribute more power to his kit, rather than making him completely ult reliant.

[@muhammadfarizzuan9655]

Yeah its a failure and moonton just want to the user spend their money for the star wars event...but no one spend to much to get argus skin because the revamped just like big nerf with style...

[@prototype1.096]

They romoved his triple basic attack which the one thing that made him a revamp not to mention I think they made it so his ult couldn’t immune suppression what was going inside moontoon head when they made it into old Argus but essentially with a more versatile ult disappointment is unbelievable

[@ryostyles9904]

Also, the delay between his skill 2 and ult is too great, they should allow him to use his ult instantly irrespective of the skill

[@matyasholesovsky1524]

Thnk u Hororo for the video, I also hope to see my fav hero get some buffs.

[@StardustDragon2500]

If argus cannot be seeing in minimap while using ultimate skill that would be good for him or curse effect as physical defence and damage reduction also good. Argus counter is supposed to be masha, ling, karina, fanny, and natalia, now all tanky heroes can counter argus even zilong can counter argus too that is hilarious

[@StardustDragon2500]

Also old argus design look more intimidating than the current one. He looks like hades from god of war series but green. With demonic voice he was really scary in battlefield

[@lekoknightgaming8071]

Since the current update I can’t hear any voice lines from Argus in-game which sounds like a bug. Maybe because Dark Vader has a different voice line that Hororo can still hear his voice in game But yeah they should really do something about Argus

[@Nasihari]

What I can see from my experience of using Argus is that he is one of the weakest fighters in early game, but if were to play right during early to mid, he’d be one of the scariest to face against in late game AND he’s immortality makes it so he can push easily without being stopped for 4 seconds. I’d say he’s pretty balanced but that’s just me

[@ohitami]

Nah, he is weak

[@zXykos]

Agreege

[@zXykos]

@@ohitami nah player diff

[@reoshikumo135]

He's pretty weak compare to the other fighter to be honest, just like hanabi moonton doesn't really solve their main problem.

[@deus.garou98]

@@zXykos still pretty weak.

[@adamsangu5869]

Moonton doesn’t like argus his cataclysm skin was supposed to come out 3 years ago and it didn’t happen. Last year made Franco and Kaja counter for no reason Reduced his attack speed growth for no reason and nerfed his passive

[@PendraNovaCh]

Remember when the passive makes him moves slightly to the enemy? That was the best thing they ever add.

[@Kozralproductions1234]

*Here's the thing with the last argus and this one* The last argus had a 60 CD, 5 second ULT with 60 extra physical atk. The passive was different in the sense that instead of an extra basic atk, the old argus with dash to the enemy like alucard and slow them. This argus does have a 30 CD, 4 second ULT, but the extra physical atk is now half and both argus have the exact same problem, way to ULT dependent

[@alphabreed000]

Buff his ulti,increase his damage+defends+movespeed,and lower his ulti cd.Also make his second skil stun+slow+armor reduction,that will make him back to meta,also,add critical effect on his passive too,then his first skill,whenever he's successful hit an enemy,make the enemy silence for 4s, that's all from my opinion, what's your??

[@dominicfernandez8050]

Bruh were making argus a balance here not a fking BOSS fight😂😂😂

[@Relaxish]

Lmfao just be quiet

[@hilmanmarlak8389]

Second skill is fine bro First skill stun for 1s is enough. Not need silence This kinda too much

[@twentyone2023]

you req too much bro

[@chillcult1613]

I know he's the leader of the Abyss,but goddamn he's not Jesus

[@btkhuy9659]

Old Argus hits different guys Where u ain't scared of no one especially with full build n inspire

[@SantaClout]

Says how weak he is Proceeds to destroy enemy

[@darkfyre1618]

I feel like Moonton hates the dark heroes from the Abyss. Argus, Selena, Helcurt and Alice all suffered heavy nerfs and unfair adjustments. They are among the strongest beings in the Land of Dawn according to the lore.

[@thatoneburrito6319]

Argus is definitely one of the heroes in the game

[@thegreat0824]

Man us argus users are really waiting for a buff that will make argus an mpl level hero , please moonton notice this hororo chan's vid please

[@Stendeverplays]

I was panicked thinking argus got a revamp! Almost killed me 🥵

[@muhammadfarizzuan9655]

Same tho

[@ashwinbiswa9412]

Bro same here

[@ss-ir1hx]

He is pretty strong now with buffed inspire, its very hard to win lane against Argus because his ult cd sometimes shorter than cd of other fighters ultimate

[@InJesuswetrust31]

That’s good but he’s literally useless on a team fight

[@alivelake69]

Lol no that’s just pre-revamp argus for 8 fucking swings.

[@muhammadfarizzuan9655]

Lol i can kill argus easily without see

[@randiey95]

strong my ass

[@blindgate]

Movement speed buff and probably 20 or 30 physical attack per level instead of 10 on the passive ult

[@gigachad3878]

Argus is currently trash rn, especially the worst one in my opinion is, they removed the ability of Argus to use ult while suppressed making Argus render useless against Kaja and Fanco.

[@ReVengeance066]

When they first showed his revamp in advance server, it looked like he can probably go into the meta a bit. But a week before his released, they nerf him hard, make him slower, weaker, even made his appearance look crap. Old argus was definitely better, but the first look on his revamp gave us argus mains hope. But we were 100%, lied to about his revamp. I was even more disgusted when they gave him an "Emergency buff" almost a day later when the results from many players were very dissatisfied on the revamp. This proves that you can't trust the devs anymore after that whole ordeal. Really want to go back in time to play old argus again until they bring back his actual revamp

[@lethyas7387]

i recall there was this mode in ml where you can get a 4th skill on a hero, i chose argus and zilong's ult to pair, it was so good. i dont mind if they remove his immortality to buff it up to be speed up and armor up instead

[@D4rk_Lum1nous]

Thanks for noticing our, Argus mains pain Hororo🥲 and I have lots of buff ideas Passive: bring black old mechanic, faster passive charge as hp gets lower that can also be paired with extra attributes Skill1: longer stun stronger pulling mechanism( even if you get CCed while casting it, it will still pull Argus Skill2: faster animation, bleed lowers physical def or stealing mvm speed for each enemy hit Ult: duration 4-6 scales with lvl, full cc immunity or cc reduction (at least) extra attributes when lvling up ult or under it's duration

[@dominicfernandez8050]

Since Argus struggles in team battles, I only split push him. He excels in solo combat, but occasionally his lack of mobility allows the enemy to escape or his damage to be insufficient. I sincerely hope he receives a fresh buff as well as a new skin in addition to the season skin.

[@Ikigaii21]

A movement speed stack in every basic attack would be cool

[@izakaya0]

What if, argus ultimate will increase his 2nd skill slow effect and movement speed bonus. So he can catch his prey easily, but his escape ability remain the same. And 2nd skill dmg depends on enemy position change/movement speed, so enemy with far blink/teleport will get sudden burst from his 2nd skill

[@ranz9946]

Argus main here. The nerf on his attack speed ruined everything. Before his revamp, he could easily delete even tanky enemies in late game. The revamp failed to meet our expectations. It's awful.

[@G3neral_Mush]

I am a retired argus main, ever since the meta changes, he is not fit well in the ranked games, Even zilong got buffed, he is has no chance of killing him due to zilong's heal. Honestly argus' revamp was actually garbage, he can't do absolutely nothing without his ult, his passive has low damage to the point where other players stopped picking him anymore, i miss the old passive with a dash, and the passive indicating that the low hp argus has, the faster the blade charges. Also, the devs removed the part where argus' passive fills faster when he takes damage, extremely unfair, he is not meant for ranked games

[@MHAOvercharged]

Also they secretly remove the take damage and recharge description on Argus. As if we would not notice.

[@MHAOvercharged]

Can't lie when they change his passive from 3 hits and dash to 2 hit with no dash. I already knew this is a bad revamp. They also removed 100+ physical attack for balancing and call it a buff. No that's no buff it's a nerf covered with an illusion buff. Old passive had more damage tha new one But dammit Hororo why did you say it's a a good buff on him 😢.

[@panhad9152]

Funfact: If you Build Enough atk speed Items Argus's Passive will not only Trigger once but 2-3 times due to how fast ur atk speed is it instantly charges full and activate one more

[@businessisboomin7252]

The old DHS icon.... memories

[@OverCAT83]

I'm an Argus main from way before the revamp. The first iteration of the revamp was actually quite an improvement over the old one but they suddenly hit him with ATK SPD and Physical Stats nerf and basically made him feel too weak. Just because you can be unkillable in 4s doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to deal massive damage the entire game. He's not a tank he's a fighter in fact in my recent time playing, if you build tanks for damage, they are stronger than a fucking fighter. I've complained for a long time but the devs really don't care because they think they're always right.

[@mochamikadorylovesrandomne6020]

I am not sure if many going to see this or will agree when they read this but Argus to me is a burst hero in the early game. His second skill melts the hp of those who runs away and first skill makes them move which will activities the bleed from his second skill together plus you can do double full bar passive afterwards you use ult to do another one. The best first item for him is hunter strike, it gives him the cdr, the flat pen and passive movement speed plus the flat pen works so well in early game and his bleed works with flat penetration. Windtalker is the best third item for mobility, attack speed and plus the new item attacks from each attack speed stats will reduce the cdr passive to do magic dmg so you can use it as another form of burst for early game before building berserker firy for the crit dmg and boost up windtalker further, demon hunter to keep him from falling off by the tanks or high hp fighters and melt through armor, the last item being malefic roar and you can sale hunter strike since you aren't going be chasing the many enemies. All you be doing now is making sure the base or towers are gone so item like Scarlet or corrosive scythe should be the item replacement for hunter strike but you can keep the item for chasing. For buff, I think they could given him a slight movement speed boost for each level of ultimate like first level being 10 to 20 movement during the whole ult time or similar to Aulus. It would definitely make him more usable if they did that but not too much stats. Lol.

[@nighteyedano573]

Im an argus main and after the revamp it felt a little different playing him so i stopped playing him for little while then started playing again. One of the reason i stop was they removed the feature where you can use his passive with out any lock ons

[@mortalphoenix7168]

In old Argus, I had the confidence that I could roll them after 3 items. Now he's worthless

[@fagana.r7868]

I agree with you,maybe during the ulti argus gets an additional movement speed that is quite high.

[@edu.8552]

first of all, Merry Christmas for you and your family. second, I agree! he's so fun to play, bit he needs more powaaaah ~ hope to see him shine one day.

[@hi-ks8vv]

That shining will end up in the ban section 🗿

[@dungluong2801]

@@hi-ks8vv true :)

[@teukubenayya6074]

I like argus even tho i'm not argus main. Besides mov speed, i think they can increase the basic att range a bit, and increase the base physical att or the growth physical att so that argus can maximize the late game potential

[@V_For_Vendettaedits]

God bless you Hororo chan for bringing all of Argus mains complains to the light, we really are in need of a buff for our dear fallen angel, he even has bugs where u can't ult while in second or first skill animation, since he is a paper hero in that little time he can get easely killed

[@dungluong2801]

They have fix the bug so you can't feel the pain again

[@rayon6367]

They fixed this bug like 3 weeks ago

[@RaulBetancourtC]

Movement isn't the issue, enemy fighters and tanks standing in front of you and barely taking damage in your ult is the problem. Just bring back his physical attack to standard levels.

[@ferbiously]

Just play him as an assassin rather than a fighter then your good

[@RaulBetancourtC]

@@ferbiously I didn't ask for an Argus rework to change his identity from a fighter to an assassin. He's an exp laner who fights other exp laners which consists of fighters and tanks. Just give him his damage back.

[@Wingedknight3]

Finally someone care about my main. Bro ty . Cuase of low basic attack in early game usually ks a lot from him and he so item depended hero he needs 4 or sometimes 5 items to deal good damage. I think he need pan . I hope u continue like this. I mean care about all hero

[@sultanmawali2326]

Thank you for making this vidddd, I'm an argus user and it's really hard to play him against tanks, shield, regent and stunner heros. I really miss the old argus, the new argus is too dependent on his ult, without it his survival rate instant went down. His ULT is totally useless against franco, when argust get stund by Franco, argust can't even use his ult despite stating that he is immune to all CC

[@nightshade777]

i’ve mained Argus since 2017 and this i agree on I miss his Attack Speed and Damage

[@rlghost9675]

Hmm my idea is that during his ultimate stage, Every kill he gets adds 1.2 sec to the duration of his ult, like after 1 kill instead of 3 sec of ult left in ultmate form, it becomes 4.2 sec and the more kills the longer you will stay in ultimate form so more kills means better sustain and improve argus by just faster casting and lower cooldown of his 1st and 2nd skill to have better chasing ability and having the passive double strike fill up faster like every after 2 to 3 hits then his passive of double strike takes effect

[@rscode8975]

I just played jungle argus on mythic placement match because the only tank we have is franco against hylos and jawhead.... Yeah Technically I was the one tanking everything his low cd ult do help a lot

[@friedchocochicken9936]

Argus is not really a bad hero but the revamp sure does not fix anything but improved early game damage and Argus 2nd skill is his worse skill its range is small ,animation is slow , movement speed bonus is too dependent on the enemy ,a single dash cancels the cursed trail and its too dependent on his first skill to even hit the enemy .The last thing is his ult passive the fact its the same as Beatrix first skill passive and during revamp final stage on advance server, Moonton has the balls to say Argus is a little overpowered and gave him a nerf in attack speed growth makes me want to punch Moonton in the face because its shows their lack of awareness on their game and the developers are creatively bankrupt. The fact current argus can waste his passive which is fix in the pre-revamp version and took them 4 years to fix argus inability to activate Ult while others skill are casting shows the lack of care they give to this hero ,But its sure damn hell feels good to kill a Paquito when playing Argus.

[@friedchocochicken9936]

Argus cursed trail is the most unrewarding passive effect in the entire game. First the cursed trail force you to take a predictable path which cause enemy to outplay you and second you only gain 40% movement speed from all that shit because you wasted your first skill and second skill to hit your enemy. Third the movement speed bonus cannot stack up anymore even if you are lucky to hit more then 1 enemy. Fourth the cursed trail cannot help you escape your enemy. There is ZERO excuse and this is purely bad design ,look at all the other hero how they gain movement speed bonus only argus has this problem because not only you need to follow the trail you also don't get much out of it either ,one dash the whole thing is ruin.

[@EFTZ8430]

I rember the time when he used to be banned after revamp and i couldn't push global argus.

[@arif5778]

SO TRUE! Less burst damage, passive now not like before. The less the cellphone, the faster it fills the passive

[@jiemileng7745]

Even though he feels weak, he actually has a really high Winrate in Mythic Glory. So he might be awkward but he's still winning quite a bit. He definitely is in a strange spot.

[@threefs2082]

its not that his strong in Mythical Glory, its becuase he has low pick rate and most of argus pick are already know how to play him or argus main

[@GoofyPolar]

As Argus main since he came out I definitely realised the huge down side of the revamped Argus. I understand that they tried to make him easier to be farm during early game since that was what the argus community wanted back then. In exchange they get 4sec ult, 20 sec cd, 2nd skill DMG buff on minion and cursed effects on jungle. Argus now feels more like an assassin than a fighter who can stay longer during a war. Back then you have to keep on farming and required knowledge of the skills (2nd skill) and the suitable item during early lane fight. Now days you just need an assassin emblem and execute to win in early game. Really wished they would bring back old argus with longer ult cd, but is more reliable in both war and at least 1vs4

[@artzero7435]

As an argus user long before the revamped, my biggest issue with the revamped was the removal of controlled reduction when his ult is active. As I remember, he has 50% percent controlled reduction when his ult at max lvl, matching it with tough boots he has 80% controlled reduction during his 5 duration ult. He is pretty much unstoppable even if you chain stun him (with exemption of suppress skill). Now even if his ult form, if you chain stun him and can't attack the enemy to heal, he pretty much useless.

[@MHAOvercharged]

It's 25% cc reduction. Basically resilience. But they removed it

[@theswirlingknave]

I think he need faster animation in his first skill and higher base attack but I think movement speed buff won't be necessary (because of his 2nd skill passive)

[@snurffxander8103]

no the fast animation of second skill like the old one

[@wanabdulatiqullah881]

Happy holidays Haroro ☃️

[@dweebswithswords4947]

As a argus player playing him in different ways with different builds I'd say he's somewhat balanced but it's just the situation you're in if you're Lanning you keep getting jumped by the enemy team and no help then yeah you feel how weak he is. if you get some team help and able to hold your own while farming a little you can feel very powerful which is why I personally feel he's balanced since first off it's a team game if you don't work together or help your teammates you're probably not gonna do well without a op hero just murders everyone as long as you jungle or have a tank holding your hand. His kit is pretty simple and is just meant to support to his passive so you can beat down opponents but since his passive and stats have been messed with so much he doesn't really have good burst or dps damage at times compared to other heros but he's better for prolonged fights with his ult being he secret weapon if you aren't using it every time an enemy is on screen and you work with your team which is why he's a pretty good junlger cause you can always help finish an enemy or help a teammate with some extra dmg till you have the items you need. It does take some skill to manage him properly but he's not bad a bad hero to play you just can't expect his power to carry you for free. This is just MY opinion from my PERSONAL experience but I felt like speaking up about him since he's the my favorite hero.

[@cjl9346]

Argus fells further down whith the dominance ice rework

[@negativeplayer4446]

The problem with Argus isn't his damage, but rather, his passive. All of Argus' skills should contribute to his passive, especially his 2nd skill. The passive quite literally says that each time Argus takes or deals damage, his rage bar gets filled. This was along side with his passive auto fill for his rage bar. However, that isn't the case. The rage bar doesn't get filled when taking damage and it does not register damage dealt from item passive abilities like DHS's HP based damage and the damage multiplier from the GS. Argus is mainly a "DPS" hero, not something like Zilong. His main strength comes from his insane DPS, which was what made him a force to be reckon with before his revamp. The Original Argus could delete any squishy in the game with a 2nd skill, ULT, and basic attack or just ULT and Basic Attack within a second. Dude could kill anything that he could touch as long as he had his ULT and rage bar, filled. So, if we want Moonton to buff Argus, it should be these aspects: -Basic Attack speed: His attack speed is too slow even though there isn't anything that says in his passive description that his Attackspeed ratio is lower than normal. -Passive: Like I said, his passive is inconsistent and doesn't do what the description says it would. Just buffing these would bring Argus's DPS back up to deal with the meta.

[@dingmani5869]

Argus should have won the revamp survey.But most of the people think the survey is "who is your favorite hero"rather than "who is the hero that needs buff to be pick more frequently".

[@nathanrivera8114]

i suggest when argus uses his ultimate there is a area of effect like fear which your enemy's movement speed is decreased heavily. since everytime argus uses his ultimate everyone runs.

[@mlacc5020]

Roamer tank argus would be used instead of damage if this happened

[@ferbiously]

Or slow effect

[@mysteriousmm3122]

I’m an argus enjoyer in all ways but after hearing the news from his new revamp being like this, I’m still getting used to it using his ult as a secondary burst passive after initiating the first warmonger (argus passive) then use the ult for the second follow up burst. Then run away, or you can chase if its only one hero away from his team

[@delacruzkenshinv.9422]

Merry Christmas Hororo Chan! 🎄💗

[@shunkun3010]

Easy fix for argus is his s2 bleed damage being a burst but for lower duration like (2-3% enemy max hp+3-5% of enemy lost hp)scaling with level for 2 seconds which will block dash skills for 1-2 seconds(flicker allowed) . It can simply change hell lots of things, easier to kill tanky heroes, heroes with multiple dash or basically deal actual damage when s2 connects also making the bleed area a bigger "circle" instead of a single line gonna help with chasing fast heroes which escape using flicker . Hell now its like 35(16%+total physical attack) which is so insignificant that most users don't even know there's a bleed damage and as for the speedup trail its completely useless for chasing since most of the time the speedup cancels instantly once you go off trail and sprint is op rn.

[@johnallenvillanueva4881]

As an Argus main i sadly agree. I havent seen a single buff on Argus this year and most of his skills are underrated.Slow,stun,immortality its a basic material for a fighter but they can always escape so yeah Argus needs a buff

[@viridian8786]

The only thing he got this year is that you can use his ult during 1st and 2nd skill

[@johnallenvillanueva4881]

@@viridian8786 and a skin

[@viridian8786]

@@johnallenvillanueva4881 next year tho

[@crystalblade1074]

'Having lowest phys attack of 159' *gets double kill 1st minute of the game* Argus: i don't need phys attack to be a king

[@TheGalaxyMan99]

I POST THE CHANGES THAT REALLY WILL UPGRADE ARGUS TO HE WAS INITIALLY; IN TICKETS TO THE DEVS ALMOST EVERY DAY SO HERE ARE : 1 Give him his old "revamped pasive" that consist in 3 attacks (2slashes whit 120%bonus phisical and a 1thurst 130%bonus that launch argus on the enemy by a little "THAT" the more attack speed you have the faster the 3 attacks are done so you in the late game unless cc you are almost inescapable combined whit the speed boost of the 2 ability and this is the most important change of ALL 2Give him missing attack strengh that he have but maybe to powerfull whit the passive 3Give him his 1 second ult back and the 25%CC resistance to make him more "fighter" even whit the purify ult . The MOST IMPORTANT and its like when they change thamuz is the PASSIVE so pls give his old passive back and he will be good again even whit all of this new dominance ice meta, pls send tickets to moontoon customer service whit the passive change moreless and other buffs are welcome too

[@adelgarr5117]

For Argus, I think giving him a way to reduce his skill one like one sec reduced when his passive activates would improve it a lot, And if his passive build up faster during ult and had that lil dash again I think that would improve him as well. At the moment I see lil to no use for his second skill, I think the slow can be passed on to his passive but perhaps not as severe and without the bleeding effect, and give him a second skill that allows him to chase better or deal proper burst dmg, or give him the initial buffs given when they true to revamp him, three hit with passive, powerful bleeding to help keep in check during laning and better movement soeed buff in ult or when on the blood trail.

[@jirpw7730]

Hororo : plays Argus like a pro* Me : *DISTRACTED BY THE CONSTANT 7MS*

[@kagetanehiruko2157]

You have my humble gratitude hororo as an argus main I am thankful for you noticing they should also add back the immunity to dying by suppresson cc

[@giveargusaspirantskin8394]

Anyone still remember Argus when he slashes 3 times instead of 2. And also his voice when he uses ult:"Kill or Die!"

[@alfiandikanugraha3397]

I hate it when the ult voiceline changed. "Immortallity or Die" was a GOD. Also when they added a backsound to it. Its feels like countering a last boss, imo.

[@MingYT01]

I pretty much agree whatever Hororo Chan says it's pretty much true Edit: I believe a Damage and Speed buff. This will make up for his speed and damage that he lacks. Maybe not too much damage but enough to make him viable to play.

[@suhaylazmin9112]

He is viable tho. Kinda broken too.

[@vornamenachname8853]

The way argus is currently played is perfect imo. The only buff I see as useful for him is a movement speed buff while I'm in his ultimate+ a lower CD for his first and second skill (each 1,5 seconds)

[@georgeben7127]

He is more like a counter pick/ situational hero. He is good against some heroes such as yin

[@yamligma]

I remembered playing the old Argus and getting savages just by fountain diving

[@quixoticfiend9274]

Literally all he's good for is diving the enemy base with his ult to end the game quickly.

[@tgeiii3554]

As someone who love playing Argus, yeah, he’s got the short end of the stick. I’d love for the devs to buff the guy.

[@darwinxd]

Merry Christmas 💗