TANKY META WITHOUT ALICE IS SO SAD

[@KiyeHid]

It's just that Alice's ult doesn't scale well with magic power anymore and most magic power items work well for her. She gains permanent HP but she doesn't even scale with HP and scales with mana instead even though HP would make more sense. Her ult needs a buff, like make it also scale with HP and/or increase the magic power ratio. She feels like she doesn't deal that much damage anymore because of the way we have to build her

[@vctmmhendra]

But because the lattes change alice been more flexible and it better in every way... She also still can run with first skill that still ok i guess... But her mana consumption is indeed nuts welp still better than before because now we don't really need to but enchant talisman for mana

[@fauzitrinandakusumahatmaja3697]

@@vctmmhendra in this patch, you must not upgrade her ulti skill until you have a minimum of 100 stacks.

[@maktummasrooramyo6997]

@@vctmmhendra 160 mana consumption per 0.5 second for such low damage and non existent heal is crazy

[@vctmmhendra]

@@maktummasrooramyo6997 not wrong but stack is help so much it just game changer for alice than before and if your teams wining it snowballing turned into blood bath... And it happened last time i play alice and get 17 kill because the teams is got about 1k gold margins and her problem change from mana turn into stack like cecilion and aldos...

[@vctmmhendra]

@@maktummasrooramyo6997 to be honest in late if you use mana boots you can sell it and buy thunder truncheon so her damage can do burst (welp still risky but better than nothing)

[@Badget007]

Can we all agree that Alice has the weirdest adjustment on all heroes?

[@crconan3518]

Monkeytoon ruined her 🙏🏾

[@IceCoolingK]

And the fact that shes like the main villain of ML if not one of the biggest

[@SKEITH0_0]

Yeah,even idk she is tank or magic because she can survive using either of those build

[@draconicrayquaza9106]

It's time, they should revamp her again I think her first skill casting speed n the orb travelling speed should be increased. This will make her skill 1 more useful

[@cheesecake1255]

@@draconicrayquaza9106 you barely have time to tp once you shot the ball

[@emmanuelbangayan4171]

I think a Buff to her passive like beyond 50 orbs she can now include a Physical/Magical Defense stat into it to further increase her durability in late game even tho alice is a HP based tank.

[@damara2268]

I think best buff for Alice would be if she gains more HP per orb. Also she should have natural mana increase by leveling up like all mana heroes have... Why did they remove her mana growth it's so stupid.

[@emmanuelbangayan4171]

@@damara2268 oh i forgot they nerf her mana scaling. It is bullshit when they did that.

[@maktummasrooramyo6997]

@@emmanuelbangayan4171 they completely removed the mana growth It would still be understandable if it was at least still there with a reduced growth at least

[@Chris-bw1hi]

@@damara2268 I agree. I think, her old stat scaling and 1 Magic power for orb. Increase her damage, heal and durability for that heal.

[@Chris-bw1hi]

Moonton nerfed HP growth too

[@GinsuSher]

She's in a weird spot. She's classified as a mage/tank but doesn't really have a lot of similarities to other heroes in those roles. While most other tanks and mages are pretty good in the early- mid game, Alice needs items like a marksman and needs to build up stacks like aldous. AND even if she's built enough stacks and items, she can still be deleted by the most META marksman now (Karrie).

[@zhongli6936]

Not really. I build blade armour.And with vengeance,alice can sustain karrie and kill her. Just build her hybrid

[@Nandemonaiya00]

@@zhongli6936 you joking right

[@zhongli6936]

@@Nandemonaiya00 no try it. If karrie is foolish enough to attack alice who is using vengeance,she will get killed.

[@KiyeHid]

Alice being unique is why she stands out because almost all other mages are hit and run. All assassins have more or less the same hit and run play style and it's getting kinda boring. Alice is one of if not the most unique character. One thing I like about tanks is that all of them aren't copy and paste so it makes all of them feel good to play without getting a feeling of deja vu. But I do agree that she needs a buff

[@stellar1463]

Tbh the meta lists are pretty good but if you play alice well, she can be a hidden meta in her own ways

[@andupyar5097]

nahh alice cant keep up with the meta tanks

[@IDGAG]

oheb would be playing it if it was

[@yakitokun5714]

Alice is easily META Pick, I have around 50 Matches with a close to 70% wr, people are simply building her wrong. You have to build 3 Offensive Items that also give you HP(Glowing wand, winter truncheon, CoD) and then just counter their main dmg source/the most threatening player. Its easy to win with Alice, you just have to know how to Dive in and Out and when the best timing is. You can also turret dive with winter truncheon. You will still get away easily, plus she counters hilda in some sorts, she cant stand near to minions when Hilda is in bush and still dmg her while using her ult to regen

[@IDGAG]

@@yakitokun5714 copium

[@enonymous794]

@@yakitokun5714 which means lower mana count and mana regen?

[@alyasVictorio]

Here's the items (and its synergy/s) for Alice: *Enchanted Talisman - has mana regen based on its max amount, which synergizes well with Alice's passive (both max mana regen and additional max mana) *Clock of Destiny - a must-have core item for its max stack early-on (specially since its buff), and can synergizes with Enchanted Talisman for her long-lasting ultimate(ult) activation *Dominance Ice - best counters to physical heroes as well as with additional max mana. *Ice Queen Wand - for slow effect even against mobility heroes, plus magic lifesteal and more mana *Oracle - boosting regen of her ult *Glowing Wand - Alice's best damage item *Athena's Shield - if there's more magic dmg enemies. *Concetrated Energy - this optional item boost her sustain (specially as Mage-Tank), and synergizes well with her ultimate and Oracle (Note: I bet you didn't see her magic lifesteal text from her ultimate because it still works but doesn't exceed 50 due to this skill's lower damage) *Antique Quirass - if physical dmg enemies is skill-relevant *Demon Shoes - in case you don't have Enchanted Talisman in your Alice build and if her passive's mana regen isn't enough, then this boot is a must-buy, otherwise use any boots instead if you have Enchanted Talisman (Choose 6 of these items synergizes for her)

[@jaedenTheYT]

Alice can sustain, do damage, stun and slow the enemies. One of the best heroes in my opinion.

[@wizardryteacher_]

y

[@thebrownhitchhiker1348]

Immobilized and stunned are 2 different things. With stun, u are able to cancel certain ult e.g Pharsa, Odette....with immobilize you cant.

[@lordz.3757]

W for u brother

[@jaedenTheYT]

@@thebrownhitchhiker1348 okay

[@anjelocarey]

Alice is hidden meta and I love it that way. She is tricky to use and not everyone knows how to play her. She is never banned and rarely picked. Perfect for Alice mains like me. :)

[@bubbub165]

yes i don't want my fav underrated heroes became popular because they will getting ban and nerfed

[@demenevdmitriy4175]

As an Alice main, I enjoy her the way she is. She's an absolute beast against many drafts but she's effective only as exp laner in my hands. I can see how she can be good as midlaner in 3/5 men teams but I don't think Alice is good as midlaner in solo q. Right now I feel like she isn't my best exp laner because she can't keep up with the pace of feeding of my teammates. In theory I win my lane but I don't get enough control over other lanes, which makes her a bad choice for mythic III and above. Without any jokes, I prefer exp lane Zhask with either inexperienced or with good teams. For average teammates, Alice can be better. Due to the state of matchmaking, I can't play Alice often. Too often I get inexperienced team.

[@thebrownhitchhiker1348]

@@demenevdmitriy4175 i usually go mid lane. Current exp lane she definitely losing out against tank meta such as Lapu Lapu, Gloo, etc....early game. If i go mid, i can easily rotate with roamer.

[@demenevdmitriy4175]

@@thebrownhitchhiker1348 You can last hit every minion with your first skill before level 4 and after that no hero can deal you enough dmg to kill. Especially if you rush defence after elegant gem. Even Darius can't kill you, if you build right. On mid lane the team lacks one proper dmg dealer late game. And Alice can't help a lot during ganks early game. In addition, Alice doesn't get that much exp on mid, which results in less frequent triggers of elegant gem passive. On exp lane, Alice's weakness doesn't affect the team much. On mid lane, Alice has to interact with enemies (and allies) much more.

[@thebrownhitchhiker1348]

@@demenevdmitriy4175 who is Darius?

[@jonong3836]

For me these are the reasons: Scaling, Resource, and CC. Alice scaling is a weird mix mash of confusing stats. She gains Mana from her passive, but none of her abilities EXCEPT her ULT (HP% DMG) scales with Mana. She gains HP from her passive but she doesn’t benefit from it other than “she has more HP”. Why would she gain HP, but not scale from it?? She almost never builds Magic Power because it just isn’t effective at all. You can build maximum Magic Power, but she lost her Burst DMG with her ULT changes from a long time ago. She also lost a lot of her Healing, and the Healing from ULT doesn’t scale with anything except Magic Power, but even then the Healing is very low. Compare to Hilda, who heals and gains Shields just from entering bush. Or Gloo who can spam heal using FIRST and using ULT. Alice uses Mana… and I mean a lot of Mana. Her early game is hard to manage due to her high mana costs on her ULT. She needs to either 1: Gain a lot of Orbs, which isn’t reliable. Or 2: Get Clock of Destiny FAST. Which once again isn’t reliable. Her passive does give her % Mana regen (Regens mana based on a % of her Total Mana) but it isn’t enough to truly sustain her for long. Personally I get Enchanted Talisman 2nd item after Clock so I can comfortably stay in fights for extended periods of time. So immediately she has 2 slots taken. Without these items, Alice will usually struggle with Mana (from my experience). Compare to Gloo, or Hilda. Hilda straight up doesn’t need Mana. While Gloo DOES have Mana, his abilities don’t usually drain his mana like a black hole. Lastly, Alice CC is just average at best. She immobilises enemies next to her, and slows them for a short duration after the immobilise ends. This ability has a 3-5 second cooldown (with my usual build). Compare to Hilda, she has slow on her FIRST, a small stun on her third SECOND, and another stun on her ULT. Not to mention Hilda’s mark can reduce PHY and MAG Defense of enemies, which makes her a decent roamer, and her base dmg is pretty high. And Gloo, spammable FIRST as long as he picks up the slime with healing and HP% scaling. His SECOND is a long range Immobilise which can also pull him towards his FIRST skill slime and pull enemies a short distance. His ULT allows him to stick to an enemy, allowing Gloo to annoy the heck out of the enemy, he can reposition and immobilise the enemies as long as he has abilities. Lets not even mention his passive which reduces enemy dmg AGAINST him and slows them as well. So basically, Alice is fun, and I enjoy playing her. But there are other heroes who feel like they can provide more. Maybe they can change Alice SECOND to a Stun. Or they can add HP/Mana scaling to all her abilities like Cecilion, so her kit feels more complete.

[@anjelocarey]

Give her HP based HEAL from ult, and reasonable mana consumption and I will be happy

[@marvinadjei9179]

No

[@marvinadjei9179]

That would change her play still to much

[@marvinadjei9179]

In my opinion Alice is a top tier heroe she just isn’t played often stun would be better than the immobilize but her skill now complement her ult

[@jonong3836]

@@marvinadjei9179 im just suggesting some stuff i am not saying she is bad. she is fun and definitely quite strong in good hands. i am merely pointing out why she isn't as popular.

[@xalovaid3693]

I used Alice for a while. Once you get used to her 1st skill, she pretty much become a good sustainable dps with vengeance and winter truncheon

[@denial9075]

Seeing you ult first before going in makes me happy. Soooo often do I see youtubers teleporting in before ulting. If you teleport first and then ult, you expose yourself to crowd control, and you cannot activate ult while stunned

[@natsirhasan2288]

We need alice ult to scale based on her hp instead of enemy, so it will benefit her max hp per stack

[@lunarsonata35]

And I Hope The Maximum Stack Is 300, Not 200.

[@nabilonso]

@@lunarsonata35 yea, or increase the HP per stack

[@wizardryteacher_]

Alice ULT damage is scale with her max mana :) . Even we should gain 4000 max mana just for get 2% target max HP magic damage

[@anjelocarey]

Yes. Her heal and damage should scale with her Extra HP!!!!

[@frankl3684]

You should try bloodwings on her. With the spell vamp change to the item, it's actually usable by her now and gives her just enough sustainability to survive most encounters.

[@ThunderChef]

u mean queen's wings?

[@ianmaomay1588]

I’ve tried her with vengeance and she’s pretty effective. Got 93% WR with her. Climbed from epic to Mythic now.

[@lunarsonata35]

If Moonton Want Alice To Be Tanky Melee Mage And Equip Defense Item, Add HP Scaling On Her Heal From Ult. Because The Heal Scaling Is Only 10% Magic Power And It's Too Small For A Regen Frontline Hero. Even If Enemy Didn't Buy Any Anti-regen Item. And I Hope They Release More Defense Item With Mana Atribute.

[@KwissSummers]

Alice is ridiculously solid right now, I’m relieved most players don’t realize this and many who do use Alice don’t build her properly. But if you build her right she’s incredible, speaking as someone who was ranked in the top 30 in my server. My emblem: tank emblem with boosted def when under 40% hp My spell of choice: sprint/purify/vengeance Clock of destiny Dominance ice Tough/warrior boots (ice Queen wand late game sometimes) Enchanted talisman Oracle Flex pick (winter truncheon/Athena shield/blade armor/radiant armor/antique cuirass) Edit: and no I don’t intentionally try to push the rank leaderboards, I just play rank for fun (my rule is that I never use the same character twice in a row!) during small breaks throughout the day bc I’m a college student and classic and arcade wr don’t show in rank anymore 🥲

[@qwertypops9201]

What build do you use?

[@qifry5367]

lol top 30 alice is shit

[@yakitokun5714]

Only top thirty- I am top 3 oops

[@user-ej4zo5fh8y]

She's super tanky if you build sustain and Support Emblem (Healing Effect) ,Revitalize and she didn't even needed to go back in your base because you can just sell your boots and buy Talisman

[@yakitokun5714]

@@user-ej4zo5fh8y Thats one way, yeah

[@RealGAMERSOLDIER]

I used yin as tank got epic comeback today 1 hour ago

[@faustosapienza7375]

I think the most troublesome thing for alice is that her orbs are needed but at the same time don't make that much of a change, if not in the veeeery long run, in a way, aldous is much more cost efficient, either way it think that mana scaling is actually not that bad, since you would still eventually need mana to support it, thought I would like that they gave her an easier mana regen, i don't think that it would be bad if stacks could give a bit of mana regen, like 0.2 every one, or they just could reverse the nerf on mana cost of ult in late, cause some times i just max ult cause of that. A solution rhat i thought would be to give the second skill a second enhancing effect, that could give a buff to the either the damage or the mana regen, or maybe just mana regen, or just a tot of mana instantly

[@dgmojojojo]

They classified her Alice as a tank only because her ult does a bit of lifesteal. While buying equipment is always a choose between damage or tankier Alice, hardly both. I wish there’s the 4th stack where she can gain more mana regen or movement speed so we can sell out boots at late game. Doing so will forced to change our playstyle to conserve her mana = reduce mobility via skill 1 and no sustain ult duration.

[@alexandruromica7810]

she has enough movement speed boost after 50 stacks , i always sell the boots late game , but the problem is the mana even with COD and dominance , even with the talisman , u will need the blue to have the impact that you wish with her , some mana Regen increase would really go far for her

[@dgmojojojo]

@@alexandruromica7810 exactly why i said selling boots late game will force us Alice player to held back using her kit and thus less aggressive playstyle because less mana regen and mobility. If there’s 4th stack giving any of those two i think it justify to sell boots and change it to let’s say glowing wand or one more defensive item like thunder belt.

[@alexandruromica7810]

@@dgmojojojo she already has movement speed buff after 50 stacks , thats what im saying , but she'd also benefit from some more mana regen as well so we do agree on that

[@dgmojojojo]

@@alexandruromica7810 i am well aware of that buff on her 3rd stack buff but it's not sufficient for foregoing boots in late game. she needs so much chasing and need shoulder to shoulder her enemies to be effective. Skill 1 and mov speed buff alone sometimes won't be enough if enemy have dash, Lesley's kick or Valir push and slow. That's why i recommend any of those two buff in 4th stack which is very late game buff where we Alice user often starting to think to sell our boots.

[@Bobameow_MLDevHelper]

alice is already good now. It is better for her to stay as a hidden gem. She can be pretty good in the right hands.

[@johnlloydconato771]

She’s a hidden meta, tbh. She’s the only hero that I used to rank up. I build pure magic as a mid laner and do semi tank if exp laner. It always depends on the enemy team.

[@pixelberry9487]

Same i also do this tho mid mage exp semi mage/tank

[@breaker5575]

Another chinese MOBA game did something similar but effective, making Alice ult into a weaker passive and replaced ult with an immuity skill, gave her a chance to survive and do damage in dangerous situations.

[@Redmi-pq7mn]

But ML is Chinese moba game too

[@eirxd5658]

Onmyoji Arena has an Alice-like hero called Vampira, their kit is alike but Vampira scales better.

[@jonalol933]

Although she's not popular or meta right now, i still choose to play her and the enemy tends to underestimate her especially in the late game. If you play it right she can help in teamfight a lot.

[@ronaldpatrick8050]

yes, i think that's where people seem to not really understand when playing Alice. she is super annoying in teamfights bcuz she provide defense and offense at the same time.

[@francismichaeldoblas1977]

Thank god it's back to a subtitled video,

[@EvilBendy777]

I m using Alice a lot , and I really had fun with her, she is so good if you us it right

[@khinezarkhamaung2823]

Balmond :spinning around the whole match. Alice :sucking blood the whole match.

[@thelostparadise9066]

Carmilla - Half mage Half Tank is scary and tanky. I use - Clock Of Destiny + Ice Queen Wand and Arcane Boost for mage items And, Dominace Ice, Blade Armour and other adaptable defend item for Tank side. With that build, she is like Alice - hard to kill, has decent lifesteal and deal enough damage.

[@Elvynna512]

Also for me, Alice is a Nightmare for those who at Backline

[@anjelocarey]

This is true! I main Alice and in teamfights I always dive to the backline and disrupt their damage dealers position. This is the best thing about Alice! She can just ignore the frontline and scare the sht out of the enemy backline :)

[@Elvynna512]

@@anjelocarey she is a nightmare at those who at backline but don5go to backline if enemy has Lunox and Karrie they both might ruining her job during teamfight

[@shreyashkumar6382]

YOOO THIS EMBLEM WORKIN SO WELL WITH HER WTF.

[@wideashevamarhaendra2347]

4:43 : Fred, you can use your Ult here. Just look at your Gray Hp

[@gibs40]

Meanwhile Esmeralda : It is forgotten that she is forgotten 💀

[@lunarsonata35]

Yea, it's just me or Esmeralda no longer priority pick in M4 right now.

[@HahaHaha-jx4le]

@@lunarsonata35 she's only picked once and banned once. Hope she gets a buff tho.

[@gibs40]

@@HahaHaha-jx4le really? Which match is she picked i'd like to watch

[@HahaHaha-jx4le]

@@gibs40 she really got picked, I forgot which match though. She also got banned once. I'll try to remember which match

[@HahaHaha-jx4le]

@@gibs40 It's the valley vs burn, match 2. Esmeralda is definitely not a priority pick in tournaments right now, and is overshadow by other exp (jouy, gloo, benedetta, yz, lapu), but she is still a solid pick, with mobility, danage, and sustain. So I think she will not be buff, which is sad

[@angelsangalang3445]

The problem with Alice is that she is not effective in the early-mid stages (which applies to a lot of stack based heroes like Cecilion and Aldous) compared to Gloo, Fredrinn, Hilda and even her tanky mage twin Esmeralda (even tho some, likely a lot call her trash) are all stronger and more effective during those stages, but Alice can still fight back in the late game

[@nightchrome1076]

why not build queen wing? when she ult as hp reaches below certain point, the extra dmg will enter the play = bigger spell vamp. not to mention, also gain dmg reduction

[@Kryselia]

5:21 that ling is just too smooth

[@gibs40]

Its sad how everyone just keeps ignoring how Esmeralda turned from one of the most popular into one of the least used heroes in mythic 2+ and in m4, and with the 3rd lowest winrate in rank, but keep talking about alice which gets even some recognition by getting banned in ranked games

[@camehere1228]

They could change her passive limit to 100 and each orb gives 20 HP and 40 Mana instead of 10 and 20. They could also make her gain Physical and Magical Defense or Damage Reduction or HP Regen when she reaches a certain amount of orbs. And any orb she picks up when she has already reached max stacks will instead regenerate 1% of her HP and Mana.

[@monmon-hy5ql]

I honestly like Alice's rework because it adds survivability in the long run. I just don't like the fact that her mana consumption increased again. I don't use boots with her just enchanted talisman, clock of destiny, Dominance Ice, Oracle/Concentrated Energy, Glowing Wand/Ice queen wand, Winter Truncheon. Remember that her ult damage scales with mana so build as much mana items as you can then the rest are for defense. And yea vengeance. Just keep getting stacks and dont be aggressive. You can also get the litho to help mana regen a bit. Btw I use Impure rage as her talent emblem

[@zen-zk4zo]

If im right the more stack you have the greater the damage and tankyness, since her ult is based on max mana she have. cod, ice and dom all had mana that can help her scale, guardian for sustain, blade for mm counter (they melt on their own bullets/arrows) then curse helm for burn/ or truncheon for diving towers, never lose a match in playing alice with this. Veng for spell and ofcourse sell boots for lg thats why. Use last emblem mage for extra mana

[@lordz.3757]

Well Alice is Good after her adjustment to be a tanky mage and can be realy annoying in late game,have the ability to move extremely fast with 1st skill She is just a hidden gem she needs some time to players know her real worth

[@zoaero]

I love dmg alice before they move it and make her a tank

[@enonymous794]

i feel like if they lower the cd of her first skill significantly, she'll have this scary mechanic to dive in and out that might put her back into meta? idk

[@lunarsonata35]

Imo, The CD Is Low Already, Just Make The Projectile Faster To Dive In-and-Out

[@enonymous794]

@@lunarsonata35 yeah that as well... i feel like alice is more on the sustain rather than offense side from her ultimate makeover so i guess it might put her back to meta if she constantly appears here and there and wrecked the shish out of the mm positioning

[@anjelocarey]

She needs HEAL based on EXTRA HP. Reasonable mana consumption OR faster mana regeneration where she can dive in and dive out to regen some mana and dive in again.

[@akcup]

Alice dont need boots in late game cause her passive add 40 mov speed, so in late game just sell the boots and swap with other mana regen item like calamity for damage or thunderbelt for deff ✌️

[@dgmojojojo]

I did once sell my boots to hat burning wand i forgot the name. But that forced to change playstyle to a conserve mana more. I wish there’s a 4th stage of the buff stack.

[@alemansprototypeguy]

1. Tank meta is never ending indeed and it's pretty much effective and also non-risky compared to the burst hero meta. 2. It's because of how Alice's ultimate damage scales. Make it scale with her HP since she mostly gets HP with her orbs and problem solved.

[@youagain8447]

I'd say a good buff would be adding more effects on her passive stacks effect, something simple like +def stats, +magic power, or even improved skills on higher stacks (similar to Floryn's) would be good. That's because there's just no noticeable effects on collecting more orbs rn (mana and hp aren't that noticeable due to how low the stats)

[@etheron1235]

I usually forgot that Alice was a tank, very odd for the princess of the underworld

[@jeremyheartriter2.063]

Whatever adjustments they've been making to Alice have been a failure ever since Moonton decided that Alice should also be a tank. The only good decision they ever made was increasing the duration of her ult from 4 seconds and the change in her passive. Unlimited Ult on her has always been a scam and significant damage reduction on her first skill was the death of her. R.I.P. Alice, I cannot push rank with her even if I want to.

[@alexandruromica7810]

get this , in EU server Alice is one of the most banned heroes from mythic and upwards . I mean , late game she's pretty good , but early game her mana runs out extremely fast

[@jusforkomensajala]

normal ult alice: weak af, need mana hyperblend ult alice: unlimited, best for any fighter

[@i_saidmeow2469]

She can have an almost permanent Joy ult and also almost as powerful

[@zimberdaledulay488]

It'll be cool if she has a kit like vale, after a certain stack we can choose either tanky increase def stat or movement with increase in damage.

[@ronaldpatrick8050]

good idea✨ like you can choose between 1st skill: longer distance 2nd skill: bigger AOE 3rd skill: high lifesteal or dmg

[@herymfla]

Alice is one of scalling heroes, if you ignore her in early to mid, she will be scary at late

[@Jays_MotionLess]

That is because she became too much stack reliant Her Ult scales with mana, and there are only a few items that gives high mana points, so basically she needs to stack up to increase her mana to scale well in the late game I know that they made her that way so she doesn't need to build magic power items and can go full tank while still dealing decent damage But increasing her stacks is quiet difficult to be honest Especially when her teammates need her to rotate or help in a clash and missing a wave of minions hurt her so badly

[@gibs40]

Seiya really forgetting the absence of Esmeralda

[@Xichuwl]

I hope the other regions step up their game in the next tournament and completely find an answer to the tank meta It's getting pretty boring already, but nobody can deny how effective and solid this strategy is to the point it takes the team to win international tournaments

[@llamallama2615]

My guy just predicted M4 draft in advance what

[@kunalk.6658]

My suggestion is like how Hylos do attack speed reduction and carmila steal defence of enemy Alice should steal or reduce enemy physical and magical power with her ult and it stacks up and it increases with level like with martis new passive where he gain more attack stat Then i am sure more player will use her

[@friendly2.1]

Old hero but, monton still forget her.... No skin for a long time

[@eirxd5658]

Alice with Carmilla works but so as other heroes. Carmilla is everyone's bestfriend.

[@charlesesquillo3515]

Alice is a secret gem 90% wr with alice this season. Helped me reach mythic in just 46 matches with 77% wr

[@doingdongstudio1750]

i almost reached legend even with weak teamates

[@aming2138]

after last patch of the alice update although in early to mid she is doing ok but once reach in late game the mana drop rly fast so I forced to start using mana boot, without blue buff I can't even hold the battle long which is a huge problem for me, and alice only start dominating when she got her core items but she still fun in overall and she rly a good pick for soloq players

[@yakitokun5714]

well, you dont need the blue buff necesssarily. The Mana regeneration boost she gets from her passive is enough, so you can only get the Litho and still pretty s´much stay in forever. If you play alice, try taking the litho around the 7 Minute mark, you get more movement speed, mana regeneration and vision for your teammates

[@aming2138]

@@yakitokun5714 well before I doing totally fine when I got around 100 orb now must need liltho or blue buff to hold long teamfight

[@yakitokun5714]

@@aming2138 You should consider the way her ult scales now, it isnt fixed 1,5% of the enemy hp but 2,5% thats why scorching wand is a must build

[@ashankamikokoki]

The "hollo hororo welcome to PH server have fun".. 🗿🗿

[@noer6443]

I wanna ask some thing did Alice do more damage if have more mana? Because I am not main Alice and not buy it yet

[@aryapratama5648]

I think Alice just need another deffence item with +mana in it In old days we have Twilight Armor, ufortunately that item is already getting revamped. Even her own wings is not suitable for her (Bloodwings)

[@faroukben8187]

Wdym she's not popular? She's pick/ban hero here in eu server

[@dragonfable66]

That poor, POOR Ling. Screaming let me morve dammit in the public chat XD

[@masterbait99]

I still love alice specially when there is gloo in the enemy line up

[@emmafrost16]

I think it's better to adjust the pick up range of her passive.

[@koraymaru2926]

She just feels lacking compared to the others no def shred like Hilda no CC or tanky like fredrinn no utility like gloo....her and Masha just fell off

[@lordtea]

They should increase her hp absorption

[@Thunder_TTN]

You know Alice with all tank item and 1 glowing wand can 1 vs 5 a team. you might not technically kill the, but the fight can last for like 10-25 second which is pretty long.

[@PakYanaNi]

hard to use her in mythic, cuz people always build radiant armor

[@Xygard]

Had fun with Alice never running out of Mana and with other tank jungler and use her mid it can be deadly

[@stevenimmanuel3152]

Since her dmg is based on max mana, alice only need lightning truncheon, just try and compare to cecilion

[@faroonespada6794]

Alice dibuat 1 stack jadi 1 deff, jadi keras + build damage, bayangkan kalo 500 stack

[@DIASENREDS]

alice is good but she's too dependent on her ult. and her ult consume mana like crazy she needs to recall like every minute

[@joneldelacruz3439]

I think they need to buff her passive if she destroy tower she gain 10 stack and if she didn't last hit she gain 5 stacks

[@AmarD87]

I really tried to like the new Alice. I've played 20-30 games with her in the last few weeks and to be honest she is not that good. She is not a tank, she can't take much damage, and she can't deal enough damage to kill the backline quickly. I don't know what she is supposed to be. She still has mana issues and I just don't see her as a viable pick. Whatever role she is intended to play I think there are other heroes that do a much better job.

[@wisemonkey8485]

The problem is that she is a scaling hero that isn't that good in the late game compared to aldous in the late game, defeating the purpose of scaling heroes

[@onavan5038]

How about Tigreal, Gatot, Mino, Belerick, and Hylos? haven't seen anyone play these tanks

[@doingdongstudio1750]

same

[@Hanzo0131]

The only problem for alice is she is mana monster consumer wihout blue buff your ult is drain fast even you build mana boots and the book also if you counter build alice with anti heal and radiant armor her damage is useless alice is not good pick.

[@Dino_Roarr]

Im still struggling when playing alice 😭🤣 but I just want to make alice ult like hylos second which is still activated even without mana and change her passive, instead of it will give mana and movement speed I hope they would make it give more hp and keep the movement speed or in conclusion i really dont know how to use him thats messed up hahaha

[@Xygard]

Tip from me : use energy recharge talent from common magic emblem set which regains percentage of Mana and health when you killed minions and using demon boots also buy clock, dominance, ice queen wand. You can adjust the 2 remaining items maybe more defense item or damage item, or mix it maybe but if you want buy another magic item I suggest glowing wand or genius wand (pick based on enemy if it tanky buy glowing wand if it's squishy buy genius wand). In the laning phase make sure you hit lv 4 fast I recommend going mid lane since you gained more stacks that way once you hit lv 4 you can spam ultimate for clearing minion and rotate to another lane make sure you already buy demon shoes. Remember always use your ultimate when clearing minions don't hesitate to use it. The best spell for her either vengeance (priority), sprint or petrify

[@Dino_Roarr]

@@Xygard thank you so much☺️☺️

[@Xygard]

@@Dino_Roarr np it's pleasure to help another Alice player

[@-cukii__pandaa-5968]

Just keep her ult on lvl 1

[@-cukii__pandaa-5968]

I reached mythic glory 1 k last season and global 82 w alice, key is to keep ur ult on lvl 1 until late game or when ur guaranteed to get/steal the blue buff. I have 2100 matches and 70% winrate w her.

[@majahibrahim3063]

Will it be balanced if Edith has a taunt effect on his 1st skill while still having the knock up effect or op?? The taunt will be good for his rage bar she will still have her knock up effect

[@bahogbilat3577]

2 cc in 1 skill hell nah

[@bahogbilat3577]

Plus both of those cc are unescapable

[@majahibrahim3063]

Is it okay ifthey change the knock up to taunt

[@majahibrahim3063]

And I know what ur name means

[@kalvinchu7366]

How about Alice with tank emblem , I used it when I need to roam, but actually let u participant more in early team fight

[@neilojenal2812]

I'm gonna say this again.... ALICE IS NOT FOR EVERYONE!!! u can be a great alice user but if your teammates are feeder in early game, u will have difficulty catching up with gold and exp against enemy because ur team likely fed them, and Alice is a Monster like Literal monster if your teammates knows how to back u up every time u dive in! Because really, i love alice and when i initiate/dive in even when it's obvious that my teammates and i are in advantages, my team that i get would just leave me and run off even if it's a secure kill/dive, smh... Alice is indeed a gem especially with her now hp based kit which is now more tankier and alot easier to collect orbs, but if your teammates is Trash, your playstyle with her would likely be trash too🙂

[@yumaganna]

This is the game i played with hororo As you can see i am the hilda here aurostice

[@LOLITAPLAYER]

4:47 the smartest Beatrix user

[@ddsxdffff4704]

The Beatrix was trying to dodge Brody's ult but they pressed it late

[@zen-zk4zo]

Yall dont know how to use alice, i build cod, dominace, iqw, blade armor, guardian helm, and curse helm/(athena) if high scale mage, then just get blue late game

[@marvinadjei9179]

And Moonton fixed her early game a bit

[@ebdohlm5652]

I'm so curious about ur rank. Alice is banned in high ranked in Europe server

[@fautraarrafi]

So now we can play a full team of tank

[@marvinadjei9179]

Yea Alice is great

[@dimasfathur6032]

She needs more defense or higher magic damage and heal on her ultimate

[@raellasz]

i wanna see a support meta with support itens but i guess this is impossible coming from moneytoon

[@kal928]

In early game she is not that good cannot setup a teamfight properly consume mana while at late game she is literally beast(also ask for blue buff in late game) with blue buff she is unstoppable since the mana consume is like not consume at all while she being tanky , fast and deal continues damage that hurt over time plus if enemy mm for example try to fight use spell vengeance , this way he/she just killing itself at that moments

[@marvinadjei9179]

Coz now when you reach 25 stacks ur damage sky rockets

[@MesiaGimank]

nooo, dont make tank meta rise again seiya, it was boring -_-

[@sparklingcutie]

Is it? Tank Meta - Boring but quite effective Damage Meta - Exiting but risky

[@nothuman6727]

It is still tank meta

[@alemansprototypeguy]

Still tank meta.

[@omnirico]

Hello just i just came back from watching final and the winner's pick consist of 3 tanks and 2 mages. So it's still tank meta

[@MesiaGimank]

@@omnirico yeah ik, no golaner on each team

[@SuPrEmELeAdER2k5]

Make a video on best build for natan ploxx

[@humble77790]

Alice new ultimate

[@avenell6553]

Alice trying to kill karrie at backline, imagine, or even beatrix,

[@michaelarmando11]

This hero need revamp!

[@shadow-tw1oq]

Alice do have more damage . But early sucks as always