Horrific details of death penalty execution revealed by retired judge

[@MS113MS]

It is one of the dilemmas in human society as far as death penalty is concerned. If you were the immediate family members of the prisoners to be executed, what would you feel ? On the other hand, if you were the immediate family members of the victims, you would very much feel differently.

[@patricksachs3655]

That's not a dilemma.

[@justinehayward2553]

@@patricksachs3655 It could be. Or, are we all the same? I think not.

[@LoC28C]

What if the person who is facing the death penalty is really innocent and due to some reason his innocence could not be established ? Is it right for us to kill this person ?

[@patricksachs3655]

@@LoC28C Since the death penalty was re established in the U.S. in 1976, no such case of an innocent person being executed has been found.

[@LoC28C]

@@patricksachs3655 LOL can you be absolutely sure that the judge didn’t make any mistake ? Ha ha ha I can tell you to be absolutely 100% sure that the judge didn’t or could not possibly make any mistake is totally delusional, after all the judge is still human and to err is only human. So stop playing GOD ok .

[@pakuyafaka]

This kind of education should be exposed to all during highschool..the only way to make people behave..

[@dihydrogenmonoxide7600]

Saya pernah lawat muzium penjara di Melaka dan dapat lihat bilik gantung dia dari luar. Sama ada satu tempat pintu lantai boleh dibuka dan ada bilik di bawah di mana badan akan jatuh dan tergantung, namun satu orang sahajalah boleh digantung di situ. Memang suasana dia meremang lah. Saya rasa patut diajar semua perkara ini kepada rakyat dan dijadikan pengetahuan am, kerana dah kata nak jadikan sebagai pencegah jenayah, kasi lah tahu keadaannya. Di Amerika, Eropah dan sebagainya mereka buat dokumentari tentsng penjara dan tempat hukum bunuh (yang masih jalanlan hukim bunuh lah). Perkara itu jadi pengetahuan umum bagi rakyat mereka.

[@6047874]

Saya sempat melawat penjara Pudu sebelum dirobohkan. Lawat jugu bilik gantung, sepi dan sejuk. Kagum dengan bahan binaan, kayu, besi yang amat berkualiti tinggi. Tak pernah rasa papan kayu sekeras sebegitu, ketuk pun tak berbunyi. Tak boleh terangkan kualiti pembinaan 100 tahun dahulu. Lihat juga buku Log banduan ( prisoner's Log book) yang ditulis gunakan pena dakwat biru ( fountain pen ) segala maklumat banduan dengar gambar hitam putih. Tulisan pegawai itu cantik sekali. Sayang sekali masa itu tidak membawa camera dan talipon bimbit berkamera belum wujut. Nokia biasa sahaja.

[@jameswinters9751]

horrific? possibly more merciful than what they did to their victim.

[@chrisspens1654]

But they didn’t actually intend to kill the victim. Just rob him. The gun went off. That’s what makes this so sad.

[@Bernie8330]

@@chrisspens1654 If they hadn't set out to rob the officer of the law, there would be three extra people alive today. That's the main point. They killed. When you choose an action, you also choose its consquences.

[@kahunamatata2045]

@@chrisspens1654 "Gun firing on accident" is a lousy and an idiotic excuse.

[@Chosen1-561]

You’re absolutely right

[@jaybardon1549]

If you don’t want to be executed don’t murder people

[@TheThundertaker]

Everybody talks about whether it deters, I don't know if it deters or not, but I know one thing. People who are hanged never re-offend. Since the UK abolished the death penalty in 1965, 1000s of lifers have gone on to kill again after being released on parole, 30 between 2001 and 2011 alone. Right now one of the murderers of Lee Rigby is costing the taxpayer 45,000 pounds a year to keep locked up and has spent that time radicalising other inmates and attacking and trying to kill prison warders. There is no sane rational reason for keeping dangerous murderers alive, and I can guarantee that however many innocent people have been executed due to a failure of the justice system, this figure will be dwarfed by the amount of people murdered by paroled murderers, at least three times a year if the period between 2001-2011 is taken as a general average. And those are just murders, there are many more instances of rapes, violent assaults and other crimes as well that could have been avoided if they had been given a measured drop and a sudden stop like they ought to have been given.

[@kelseymathias3881]

Let's hope many of these thugs are killed by fellow prisoners.

[@nifty1940]

I've never thought that execution, or jail time, is either a deterrent or rehabilitation, but punishment demanded by society.

[@gparamaeswary7276]

Obviously he was traumatised! Easy for us to say. Not everyone can witness this.

[@Steven_Rowe]

Perhaps there are things in life that you should refuse to see as once see. You can't unsee them. Sadly crime has such a huge impact on everyone. The criminals concerned, then the victims of the crime, there families, and the families of the criminals. Nobody wins even with capital punishment wrongs are never figured, everybody looses out.

[@alexandrakennedy8078]

If people knew what happens during every type of execution maybe they would hesitate before murdering someone.

[@najiullahakif5526]

Thats why the execution should be done in public

[@jsgdk]

@@najiullahakif5526 Or not at all imho, being able to have it done by a state without public awareness of the reality is a problem.

[@stevehairston9940]

Maybe thats what condemned murderers should think about before they brutally murder someone. Fuckem!!!

[@frankpaya690]

@@Preciousx3333 however, not as many as today.

[@paulrogers1714]

TheRenaissanceman65 Don't think the handless thief in Iraq would agree with you there, know all.

[@vigilantclips5912]

I like the death penalty but my only concern is how much is spent and the risk of someone being wrongfully executed. Other than that, it seems moral and just.

[@joe_tipakuah4880]

For me capital punishment shouldn't be abolished as its the most effective way to scare off people who commit crime.

[@coopcoop8874]

@Mark Schultz well said,I totally agree.

[@joe_tipakuah4880]

@Mark Schultz So you're disagree with my opinion? Well its not a deterrence but it is to show to the society that commiting serious crime can bring you into harsh punishments.Try to ask any Asian, including Malaysian on what's the opinion for a criminal who commited serious crime like murdering with intention/malice and dealing with drugs above 15 grams.They will have the same opinion too.Dont judge based on post if you're weren't in their country.

[@davidneraas750]

Facts can you back that up no you cant.

[@joe_tipakuah4880]

@@davidneraas750 you can ask any Asian or ASEAN people

[@jchea1764]

I can't imagine how traumatic it would be for the executioner to pull the lever

[@bgi384]

Why did he take up the job then i don't think it's traumatic

[@IHaveASillyHaircut]

I never had a problem with pulling it.

[@jamesgilhooly8922]

Just another day at the office!

[@tanzepei1985]

In Singapore the death penalty is also conducted by hanging, and from what I was told by a prison officer the gallows chamber is not located in the same block as the death row section. But the gallows chamber is definitely located somewhere in Changi Prison.

[@Tuberuser187]

Depends on the prison, they usually share commonalties but not one single blueprint.

[@MrBoliao98]

Changi Prison maciam the fortress how we know

[@dihydrogenmonoxide7600]

As a Malaysian, I wonder do you still have caning punishments? Because I know you have similar drug laws to Malaysia, we share a few similarities in our justice system despite some other differences.

[@tanzepei1985]

@@dihydrogenmonoxide7600 Yes, it has always been there, and it is imposed on quite a broad range of offences, such as robbery, rape, possession of firearms, culpable homicide not amounting to murder, and drug trafficking, possession and use.

[@joe_tipakuah4880]

@@tanzepei1985 same here like Malaysia..for any violent offence such as rape,possesion of firearm,armed robbery,fighting,gang activity,child abuse and drug related offences (below 15 grams of drug)

[@PopsLaw]

The last point... That struck me a bit. Really... Execution is to deterent people from committing crime. If they hide this thing, than what's the point. Either stop it or make it public

[@MrBoliao98]

Should continue hanging and make it public. If people know how hanging goes or make it a public display, maybe people might stop.

[@bangtongkat6821]

this is not a barbarian society

[@Seramics]

@@bangtongkat6821 so it's better to abolish punishment so anyone can feel free to kill anyone they fancy?

[@iagreewithyoubut4110]

@@bangtongkat6821 Peace comes with a price

[@m.a.m.n3444]

I have similar thinking. Think from the victim perspective and u see there's nothing barbaric about it. People need to see the consequences of unlawful acts. Seeing is believing they say.

[@MultiSpur]

I agree that a judge should witness a hanging so that they are aware the gravity of their judgement

[@Seramics]

More like potential criminal should witness execution so they are aware of the gravity of their actions.

[@MultiSpur]

@@Seramics So what are you going to do? Televise the hanging?

[@vergiltan7116]

@@MultiSpur so now it's the judge fault to hang the criminal instead of the criminal fault to committed the crime that cause them to the death penalty. Maybe you are one of the criminals that blame the judge or police for apprehended you for the crime you committed.

[@jeffreyraymondarthur230]

True

[@uwewinkler2820]

actually the judge should be the executer

[@Anjungkreatif2013]

Ex judge should also shared information on the corrupted judges (unless he already acceptable it as a norm) .

[@TheLT704]

They were executed not killed...the Police officer was killed...did he have a name and rank and family ? People forget the victims when the death sentence occurs and Martyr the condemned....

[@jsgdk]

Execution is by definition killing, we can have an argument whether we concider it murder by the state or not, but it is killing.

[@sailordoc7454]

True

[@Khayyam-vg9fw]

They were *killed*. Don't try to split hairs. Whether or not a person is killed has nothing to do with their moral character or the reasons for their being killed.

[@monkeydank7842]

One reason more against death penalty.

[@yutakago1736]

I found that people that do not support death penalty, lack sympathy for criminal's victims. Instead, these people see the criminal as the victim. If you have sympathy for the criminal's families. Why you do not have sympathy for the victim's families ? These people, who oppose death penalty, are just hypocrites. The research in USA about death penalty is flaw. If you look at the FBI files documentaries, you will heard these words very frequently - "The murder suspect is an ex-convict, who have histories of violent". If these violent criminals are given the death penalty instead of parole. The number of murder victims would have reduce significantly in USA. Many innocent people do not have to die. Death penalty is the solution. Don't see death penalty as evil when you enjoy the benefits of death penalty. Without death penalty, there will be more murder cases in society if there are more murderers roaming the street.

[@janekslejins9554]

Death penalty is off table nearly in all europ and there no more and not less murders as it was before death penalty was ended ! And just more money need to spend on it and in reality it did a little or even nothing to deter from crime coas most of people who was executed not thinked even that they will be cought in first place so its bullshits that lower criminal act rate is something to do with death penalty ! In reality murder rates drops whan people are more looking after each other, parents working more with childrens and country is good ekonomik and people most of tham is more intelligent !

[@Fakeslimshady]

Just change the crime to sex crimes. Suddenly they want death penalty.

[@Omar_05]

Death penalty should always be an option in case of intentional murder or severe crimes against children/underage. No one should argue about that

[@janekslejins9554]

@@Omar_05 its hardest time to think that death penalty is wrong but if those are youre principles than in that case if think otherways its not youre principles !

[@janekslejins9554]

@@Omar_05 its hardest time to think that death penalty is wrong but if those are youre principles than in that case if think otherways its not youre principles but you can think otherway its youre opinion !

[@johnmaliskey7951]

He obviously doesn't understand the mechanics of Hanging and the different wait times around the world. Some leave them for an hour and then bring them down. The sentence is "Hanged by the Neck Until Dead" No mention of how long ………...

[@dihydrogenmonoxide7600]

He clearly understands, he literally stated the reason why they were hung, that they were still alive and had to wait for them to die. Did you watch the video at all or just read the title? Because the title is the only one trying to sensationalise it, the magistrate gave an objective description of the events.

[@kaiyin3842]

He mentioned he was a rookie then.

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

They used the British Long Drop system, hence the table of drops which calculates the length of drop required to break the neck. Unconsciousness is instant and guaranteed provided the procedure is followed to the letter. The noose is a halter with a running eye never a 'hangman knot'. The halter eye is positioned under the jaw to the side to dislocated the vertebrae which then sever the spinal chord. It's about as instant as a guillotine and a lot less messy. The body is left for 30 mins for nerve movement to cease. No one survives a correctly executed long drop hanging. The rope itself is measured for the drop then stretched with a sand bag weighing rhe same as the prisoner and left to dangle to stretch. It's then remeasured the rope is attached by a shackle through a steel whipped in eye to the chain which is secured to a steel or oak beam. At the other end of the rope is the noose. As described it uses a running eye and has a leather covering in the bight to stop the skin being broken by the coarse hemp. This system.had been perfected by the 1880s and was deployed across the Empire. Executioners were trained at Wandsworth in London. After Irish independence, the British Executioners would travel to Ireland to carry out Irish State executions as Ireland didn't train its own Executioners.

[@ghahkamal5631]

x tahu la nak menangkan belah mana. bila nak sokong hukuman bunuh ni, org kata aku x berperikemanusiaan. kalau x sokong hukum bunuh, cuba bayangkan perasaan ahli keluarga mangsa yg dibunuh. jenayah yg dilakukan dgn sengaja patut diberi hukuman setimpal. bukan utk balas dendam, tp utk pengajaran kpd yg lain.

[@Dancetilldeathdousapart]

But still orang takkan ambik hukuman mati itu sebagai pengajaran,for them or even for me it's just an execution thats all nothing more than that and it cost a lot of $money$ just to hang someone.

[@PopsLaw]

Tujuan pengajaran. Tapi kerajaan buat ni diam2. Kalau make it public baru orang tau apa diorang akan terima kalau diorang langgar undang2

[@houdini_227]

@@Dancetilldeathdousapart what? How does it cost more money ?? As the hanging system does not even use one bit of electricity. It’s also cheaper than keeping them in a jail cell for life sentence, they’ll need to eat, drink etc and that cost money

[@Blck_Stallion]

PopsLaw kalau nak buat dkt public Malaysians kena hati kering to witness the execution but I believe Malaysians semua org yg berhati lembut dan penuh adab dan santun. Jadi aku rasa agak mustahil utk buat di public. It’s just my opinion

[@de0509]

Kalau aku, aku rasa hak keluarga yang dizalimi lagi tinggi dari hak keluarga si penzalim. Nak dillema apa?

[@rickdl5022]

Those who are against death penalty certainly live in safe countries with no homicides. My country has no death penalty and we have 70000 innocent people killed every year because of that.

[@HassanHabib2]

Switzerland has no death penalty and a very low crime rate. Your point is irrelevant

[@mr.fantastic7756]

@@HassanHabib2 you live in a first world country. Most of us don't have the privileges you do. We don't have guaranteed college education. Hell most people around here don't even have a highschool education, due to having to work instead of going to school to SURVIVE. We don't have medical or social welfare like you do. We don't have the societal saftey nets that you do. Please consider this before speaking about this again.

[@george10445]

@@mr.fantastic7756 but your people have the chance to change.......maybee you need a revolution .....

[@mr.fantastic7756]

@@george10445 indeed. A revolution to drive out the influence of Western Powers.

[@mcaddicts]

BS the US has one of the highest homicide rates and has the death penalty.

[@amitupadhya90]

All I’ve learnt from this is live a normal life, nvr commit a crime and if you’re troubled, seek medical help ASAP.

[@e.w.3989]

most people who are troubled don't know it.

[@StarxPlayz7]

@@frankmurray1549 away from crime,happy,healthy,positive and simple.

[@StarxPlayz7]

@@frankmurray1549 u sounds like u have a bad life.im sorry.

[@StarxPlayz7]

@@frankmurray1549 y i need to define healthy to an arsehole like you.

[@opssheesh]

Saudi arabia had public beheading with a sword (not sure About now), I saw the execution of someone went into a house to steal, but was surprised by a mother, killed her, raped her dead body, then burned the house, I don't have pity on him whatsoever and they even hung his body after beheading to shame him, they call the hanging crucifixion in arabic. Long story short, I totally endorse death penalty and I think it should be public.

[@m.a.m.n3444]

Now let's look from the victim perspective.

[@joylean1225]

It is very sad that a moment of folly resulted in the untimely death of tje policeman and the death of 2 youths. I just hope their souls found peace🙏✨

[@richmounttrading7325]

Death Penalty should be there. Imagine what would the victims would have felt during those last moments, these animals have feel it too themselves. Its pointless to have a taxpayers funding murderers for life.

[@ccwnoob4393]

All you sympathisers, put your feelings on the real victims. NO EXECUTION causes enough suffering for perps.

[@monkeyking-self-proclaimed7050]

I have no issues seeing criminals die painfully.

[@mcaddicts]

Common pratice was to leave them hanging for 15-30 minutes. During the days of public executions it was often longer. After the electric chair inmates were left for hours to cool down.

[@XxXXxxXXxx78]

I can make stuff up too.

[@mcaddicts]

@@XxXXxxXXxx78 I'm not making it up. Do some research.

[@MontgomeryMall]

Not true on the electric chair. Five minutes are allowed to elapse after the current ceases before the physician comes out to check for a pulse and report death. Thereafter, the curtains in front of the witness room are drawn and the inmate is promptly removed from the chair. He is taken to the adjacent room where sand bags are applied to the extremities for a few minutes (to prevent the joints from fusing in a seated position). After that, they are put into a body bag and taken by Office of Medical Examiner ambulance to the central office for autopsy. That was the protocol for electrocution in Virginia.

[@thatguy4639]

My dad was also a magistrate in South Africa and had to attend hangings in the same manner.

[@monkeydank7842]

It didn’t change the country for the better.

[@Andrew-df1dr]

@@monkeydank7842 Abolishing the death penalty did change the country for the better.

[@izzattaz6290]

It's ironic that corruption is not subjected to capital punishment since it's impact so devastated that it left a community or in fact a nation dragged with so much issues that it bred into so many criminals activity due to hardships faced by the community. Imagine everyone had a fair share of living that no one is living under the porverty.

[@khairulanuarabdulhalim5604]

Anything from the victim's family perspective? The agony and suffering of the victim before he died because of the two young criminals? The trauma of the victim's wife and children of having to learn that there love one life has been cut short!!

[@soohuatchoo7746]

There are two sides of a coin. One side belongs to the criminal and the other side the victim. The execution of the caught criminals can be seen and usually very fast, without suffering lengthy pain. However, the execution of the victim especially those done covertly (different from those shooting in the public where death occurs almost immediately), we cannot witness the fear, the tortured pain and whatever feeling that I can't find the right words to describe. We can only look at the pictures of the victims if published in newspaper but usually pixelated and have to visualize and imagine how much the victims suffered before they died. Imagine how fearful Kevin Morais was. Was he begging to the killers, was he crying and in deep pain? We only knew he was cemented in an oil drum. Was he beaten up and tortured and put in the drum while still alive? What about Altantuya. Was she begging to be spared her and the unborn in her stomach? Was she crying frantically and in deep fear and pain? We knew she must be very frightening but we can't see it and we cannot really feel it the way the victims felt. But we knew it was very frightening to be in Kevin's and Altantuya's position. Can you imagine if you or your loved one such as your wife or husband or your children is/are the victim(s). Justice must PREVAIL. We must have death penalty to prevent more killing as some criminals are not remorseful. The benefits of death penalty outweigh the cons.

[@peaceharmony3803]

Watched a video on how Sadam Hussein was taken down in that manner....yes, his death was recorded and shared to public...

[@MrPmvail]

Peace Harmony it was filmed (illegally )on an old flip cell phone, first model to have video, then leaked to the public.

[@meghamer3065]

Loved the video of that fuk dying

[@mrqadaffi3638]

Saddam was a douche

[@mauranadiraramli]

@Susan Ananda totally agree.

[@michaelgordon18]

Susan Ananda correct.

[@wencroom]

He mentioned that he was surprised to see that the condemned person's were hanging for 30 minutes. As I understand it in Britain condemned person's were hanging for an hour before they were taken down and sent to the morgue.

[@onastick2411]

Yes, but the British authorities used variable drop hanging, the shearing force of the rope, broke the spinal column, causing instant unconsciousness. They were left to hang until the heart stopped due to strangulation, which takes about 20 minutes. The condemned was unaware, the drop having done its job.

[@keithasken760]

In the UK the executed were taken to the prison morgue where the arresting detective who charged the man or woman with murder would have to formally confirm the identify of the executed prisoner. The prisoner was then buried in an unmarked grave within the prison grounds.

[@kaiyin3842]

He also mentioned he was a rookie then. Did you pay attention?

[@von-Adler]

Correct one hour

[@liftingweights]

Coming from a past Judge overseeing justice, this is especially powerful ! Oh Yes ....Thanks for mentioning the trauma of the Policeman as he was being murdered, and that of his friends & family for the rest of their lives.

[@ANZACJugger0]

Their intention may not have been murder but thats what happened and they received the consequence of their action

[@tenga3tango]

an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

[@mito88]

You don't care about the dead or their family,

[@eddiejohnson5183]

The detail of the execution is not the deterrent. It is the end result that is the deterrent. Knowing that committing murder will result in the ending of your own life is the deterrent, not how it is done.

[@dasanthanam3150]

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[@robertlewis4216]

It was/is never a deterrent. If it were there would be no murders

[@mito88]

​@Robert Lewis it's a deterrent because the dead cannot kill again. :)

[@Bernie8330]

@@mito88 That's not the meaning of the word 'deterrent'.

[@Bernie8330]

@@robertlewis4216 It would be for some people not for others. For me, life imprisonment would be enough of a deterrent were I thinking about committing murder. As far as capital punishment goes, I am neither hard line pro nor vehemently opposed - I am happy to go along with the wishes of the majority of the society I live in on this one. I have lived long term in a country that has never had it in my life time, my own Australia, and also in a country that does, my wife's Indonesia.

[@allenbold4861]

Do the crime accept the consequense

[@jsgdk]

Oversimplification, its simple enough when the crime is premeditated murder tho.

[@uknighthuntingvision93]

Most executions even if botched are usually less agonizing and horrific than the innocent individuals mode of death chosen by those being executed for murder............. remember these murderers have right of legal process, appeals and all................. the victims of these murderers did not!

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

Fucking A!

[@Khayyam-vg9fw]

Maybe. Maybe not. But a condemned person knows the exact time and manner of their death. In most instancesthis is surely a torture in itself.

[@Maxsarkar]

Most of the time justice is not fair

[@de0509]

Pros: > The possibility of death sentence can passively deter crime. > Gives some closure to the victims family. > Gives a reason for angry crowds to not be vigilantes and kill a suspected criminal on the spot; allowing the accused to at least defend themself in court. > Last resort, if somehow the criminal is simply too violent nd cannot be rehabilitated or let back into society, yet is sane and cannot be locked in a mental institution. Cons: > Traumatises the judge and doctor

[@faithfreedom6969]

We're human being,we are not perfect but please respect to one another and the law.If you not break the rules you're saved.🙏

[@Prometheus574]

The only person who can break the law without any repercussions is Vladimir Putin. He killed alot of people in Ukraine, Syria, Libya but the international law cannot touch him because he will destroy them all.

[@johnwick4836]

Saved?, U mean from Hell?...

[@tavomontana3302]

Or if you dont have enough stoled money from the people to pay for your freedom, like all damn corrupts do

[@jamesmorton5017]

It doesn't matter how long a dead corpse hangs.

[@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz]

So? Traditionally they were left hanging for one hour in the UK during the last century.

[@dottielung]

"Retired Appellate Court judge Mah Weng Kwai recalled his experience during his early days as a Magistrate, where he witnessed two brothers, who were convicted of murdering a police officer in Jalan Chow Kit, in 1983, were hung." Use hanged when referring to a person being suspended by a rope around the neck until dead.

[@thecommentssquads2804]

kalau hakim cakap " hukuman gantung smpai mati" mmg akan tergantung smpai betul2 mati

[@jackieronaldwayerston6723]

Kalau tak, jadilah macam Rick O'Connell; dihukum gantung, tapi masih terselamat sampai akhirnya dilepaskan.

[@madness8556]

They'll never commit any more offences ever again!!!!

[@spudwickthrockmorton2112]

I call for an “eye for an eye” law. If you rape someone to death, guess what- thats your punishment. Should be televised in my opinion but that part is arguable

[@KrishnaKumar-nv9vy]

Think of the victim’s family………not how the criminals were hung ………they deserve no mercy

[@level1selamat155]

Wrong. Lord Shiva is the god of mercy

[@christianedriesen1624]

No rich man on dead row.....

[@arrowstheorem1881]

Those who are involved in the death of the death row prisoners can only find some excuses or reasons such that they can feel they have done nothing wrong. It's only human

[@clawhammer7]

Death penalty must remain

[@jayburton1743]

You do it

[@kevinmalone3210]

He seemed to forget one thing, the two brothers were murderers, and got the death penalty. It was lawfully carried out. Nobody seems to remember the victims whose lives were taken from them.

[@user-nm4sb2rg5z]

well doesnt seem cruel,they was criminal doing the worst thing..and maybe i've been seen even worst video kot 😑

[@nicholaslance9529]

Death sentence is a must. If death sentence is horrific, then how about those who were murdered by the killer? If death sentence is gone I assure more crime and murder is going to happen.

[@Gildartz89]

Why do you compare with usa? Thia aint usa...it proves nothing...different people and culture so do not expect same result

[@tsebosei1285]

To me it savagery lifestyle. Tantamount to revenge. If we all revenge against each other re eye for eye , we will all be blind. Punishment is warranted for brutal crime but death is up to God not humans. Because the people who carry out executions are somehow murdering as well. Just my half cent opinion. But I get where you come from. If it happens your family member is involved in a brutal crime and law of parties sentence him or her to death, I understand you will find peace that the state will kill him or her, for me nope but I agree they need to pay for their crimes.

[@jsgdk]

Quite the opposite it seems, some of the safest countries on the planet do not have death penalty. It really depend on culture I think, some places probably need it because their culture is shit.

[@jesselivermore4318]

society has a duty to protect her own people.Justice is 3 things : to punish, to set an exemple to society, to bring repearation.

[@davidjames1007]

That is why public hangings were done in the old times, everyone watched and it was definitely a deterrent. Maybe time to start doing that again then those heinous crimes that get the death penalty would be reduced.

[@markramlucken8502]

South Africa needs the death penalty like in the old days.

[@sinnedc4076]

So what I wish it was still being done in my country.Murder is now like a misdemeanor

[@jamesbroughton7635]

Although the information may not been made available to the public, most people would have common sense and a fair grasp on the idea of what the process may look like.

[@ZubliQuzairyl]

How saddening. Indeed, law is law. Our very action has consequences.

[@deepakchermakani7542]

True, the idea of thinking about how the boys parents would have carefully raised them, loving them since they were babies, children and then into adulthood. Then suddenly, the boys take the wrong choices and they face the effect of "every action has an equal and opposite reaction". Still the sadness faced by their parents makes me cry.

[@competezioneevoluzione6098]

As much as we dont like it ,death sentence is still relevant to deter anyone from doing serious crimes and to save the life of innocents people

[@utoobah]

Do u think, let’s say, in a one-punch manslaughter case, someone, very provoked let’s say, only wanting to hit someone, would think - ohh maximum penalty is xyz... ???

[@gurneymcbuzzin]

Dumbest comment ever.

[@mikerivers9634]

So hanging innocent people saves the lives of innocent people? How does that work. Obviously the US will have the lowest murder rate in the western hemisphere won’t it as it has the best deterrent? Much lower murder rate than Europe which has abolished the death sentence? We know the answer to both questions. You illustrate my point which is that people who advocate the death sentence do so because they rather like the idea of an execution whereas life imprisonment is too boring. But they cite the deterrent angle to justify it. Total crap.

[@sailordoc7454]

Frank Murray They ought to be hanging more of them then

[@iRMacMan]

Except it doesn't work as a deterrent. All it does is brutalize and desensitize the public. And it puts the USA in the same league as nations like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, Bahrain, to name but a few. I live in a country that did away with capital punishment fifty years ago. We don't need it, we don't miss it and we don't want it back. Also in that half-century, at least ten people I know of who would have otherwise been candidates for execution, have subsequently been found innocent, thanks to new (usually DNA) evidence. In two cases I know of, exculpatory information had been deliberately ignored at the time by police and prosecutors. Plus of course, DNA evidence which wasn't available at the time, has overturned numerous bad convictions. Maybe you don't mind the notion of executing innocent people, but I find it pretty godawful. PS: Where I live, the per-capita murder rate has been falling for all the years that have elapsed since capital punishment was abolished.

[@OleLeik]

It's a good way of cutting down the reoffending rates.

[@amirulhafiz652]

The death penalty has been an effective deterrence for capital offences like drug trafficking, murder, kidnapping and fire arms. Detention without the trial has also been successful in suppressing gangsterism, secret society, human trafficking, loansharks and gang rape. Singapore and Malaysia, may Allah swt bless both countries Ameen .

[@Hetzerg]

People get hanged for distributing weed too. But like some parts in usa, they dont get death penalty for weed distribution. 🤔

[@singhdave7332]

Public must know what gov is doing behind our knowledge

[@rienras]

Those victims of those hunged were also innocent.

[@putatdaun]

Good that this judge tell this horror story so people will think twice before involved in potentially murdered incidents.

[@irwan3064]

Death penalty should only be for premeditated murderers.

[@geezerp1982]

@SAMUEL JESSE wrong its felony murder

[@geezerp1982]

@SAMUEL JESSE ARE YOU THICK ? felony is not even english ! and where do you think the yanks got it from ! american law is a copy of english common law ! until 1967 all crimes in UK were either felony or misdemeanor, there after replaced with indictable and summary offences

[@geezerp1982]

@SAMUEL JESSE wrong

[@martincook318]

So what happens if you have got a child or an adult who is terminally ill and you helped end that Person's suffering what does that Make you

[@geezerp1982]

@SAMUEL JESSE WONG ! the US bill of rights is a copy of the english bill of rights 1688 and US law is based on english common laws see DC vs Hellier sheep

[@Hurricane0721]

This man is being very honest. He’s not embellishing the story. He’s simply telling the story of the executions he witnessed as a judge. The way I see it is simple. Think of the murdered policeman’s family. The policeman’s family has to suffer the pain and loss of losing a loved one to murder for the rest of their lives. The criminals deserve to pay for such a crime with their life.

[@cristianm7097]

Why ? Killing the killer won't fix anything.

[@MountainRaven1960]

The bang would be the last thing those guys heard as well. Talk about going out with a Bang!

[@RadhaMN.]

Dear Sir, death penalty never going to deter a crimes .. but the same time emotions of the victims and their families are involved. Given a life sentences is as equals to death sentences too.. Many prisoners are well educated and from a good families surrounding,they do crimes out of emotions a split second after that they regains. Any way it’s rules of law death sentence are given to the convicted which they been done a crime which not going against it ,it’s merely only views and opinions. Recently came the news to demolished the death sentences by the minister in the prime minister department. Hope there will be more awareness programs on crimes and what the coincidences the crimes brings and their futures. Today many young youths into crimes and sad to said all are very much under aged children. We as the society also must play the parts for the awareness.

[@pena1950]

Look at Singapore then

[@tavomontana3302]

The double moral of always is that the damn corrupt politicians, police officers etc.. they do way more harm to humanity than this poor two boys…

[@zailanzai7591]

Everybody dies,....if you take other people life be prepare to be sentence with your life at stake,thats the law.

[@mikerivers9634]

Curious how death penalty is welcomed in the US which has a far higher murder rate than Europe where the Death Penalty has been abolished. Curious how even Russia has abolished the Death Penalty. Seems to me that the Death Penalty does not really serve as a deterrent but rather just satisfies the blood lust of some societies. Even a moron could see that if the US introduced serious gun law then the murder rate would go down but they like the drama of mass shootings and the following spectacle of an execution. With other countries it’s just a question of time before they complete their journey and evolve into a fully civilised society. Until then they rank as third world countries like Iran, Iraq, and so on. Anyone disagree? Of course you do!!!!!

[@Skemooo]

thats naive of you to sit in a comfy place and type.. try saying that when you loose someone you cared and you watch the convict get out after doing his time .. if your ok with that you shouldnt breed.

[@mangomanlassi7779]

@@riorio745 it should defo stay for rapist, murderers etc but drug trafficking? perhaps not

[@evolution8662]

Why was the body left hanging for half an hour???

[@sereenahani2446]

I see you'll have to lived with this for the rest of your life sir. .so sad

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

He’s proud of being a garbage man.

[@MrAli171]

Firing squad quick clean job done

[@themarinect]

Wrong. Hanging is quicker and less expensive.

[@robertgoines1831]

yeah but a lot of trauma to the body + quite a bit of blood. The swift + clean kill if you will is obviously too try + make it quick not just for the condemned but for the people participating in carrying out the sentence. The less violence + blood and gore of a execution is too not impose a lot of mental anguish on the staff charged with carrying out the execution, that's why the USA tried to go to the lethal injection, clean, almost clinical, no blood, no chopping off of heads, no trauma like the firing squad or the electric chair but now it's getting harder and harder to get the drugs necessary to carry out the lethal injection so states are again looking at older forms of executions and hanging if done correctly is supposed to to pretty painless with not a ton of violence to the body.

[@lesterhall5145]

What Did he say?

[@sinalbertckwong6406]

Death by hanging is a legally sanctioned killing of the convicted by the breaking of his/her neck (a.k.a. hangman fracture). Anything less than that is death by torture, especially '1-hour hanging'. Discussing and education that 1 hour process in a jovial mood is nothing to be proud of????

[@KT-lr4kj]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - Ghandi

[@patricksachs3655]

So do vapid slogans.

[@KT-lr4kj]

@@patricksachs3655 that's what a blunt person would say.

[@opssheesh]

Forgiveness is great we agree, but people should have a choice not to forgive, not fair to take that option from because of your values, try bringing back their lost one from death, else let them have their revenge.

[@KT-lr4kj]

@@opssheesh to forgive or not is a different matter. The death of one doesn't bring the death of another back to life. Sometimes people still have a chance to turn a new leaf. Everybody needs a second chance.

[@de0509]

An eye for an eye creates a precedence to make people understand they shouldnt be hurting anyones eyes if they like having their own eyes intact as well.

[@ARyan-yk9qh]

Retired Appellate Court judge Mah Weng Kwai recalled his experience during his early days as a Magistrate, where he witnessed two brothers, who were convicted of murdering a police officer in Jalan Chow Kit, in 1983, were HANGED. He revealed this at a forum on the abolishment of capital punishment last night. The brothers were handcuffed and had white hoods covering their faces, as prison officers escorted them to the execution room at the Pudu prison. The noose was then placed around the brothers' necks, before the executioner pulled a lever, which caused the platform below the convicts' legs to open up, causing in them to be HANGED from their necks. "It was the loudest 'bang' I heard in my life. But despite the loud bang, it was total silence from them (the brothers)," Mah recalled the execution. The brothers' bodies, however, were not removed immediately, Mah said, adding that they were left hanging for about half an hour, before a doctor certified that they were medically dead. FIFY. People are "hanged" not "hung".

[@jasonlai1892]

Strange thing. He never mention the poor police even once. RIP.

[@razimmahfuz473]

I did some research that during judical hanging, some prisoner's heart keep on beating although there is already brain death (medical term that the body could no longer function on its own as the brain is dead) So they left the body hanging for 30-60 minutes. And by the time guards take down the dead body, more than 90 percent by that time, the deceased's heart beat would stopped beating. The intention is not to humiliate or torture the victim but medical and legal reason.

[@JohnnyPeacock1959]

Albert Pierpoint used to leave the executed Men hanging for an hour but I believe that the Doctor used to check that life was extinct straight after the drop.

[@geezerp1982]

pierpoint didnt have a choice, it was the sentence of death act that mandated the hanged felon left for one hour

[@JohnnyPeacock1959]

@@geezerp1982 Interesting. Thanks

[@von-Adler]

The hangman had to lower the body with assistance, undress it and clean it. Hanging like gassing usually leads to voiding the bladder and possible excreta

[@friendlychemist5587]

So..in some point you want people to supports abolishing death sentence? It should remain..just dont break the laws that endup death by hanging.

[@sebaslek38]

Mr Mah the retired judge still sounds rather naive for an old man.

[@daringluckyman8124]

So had you dreamt of the 2 brothers coming back to look for you before?🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@Sunshine-zi4nq]

They were murderers. What about the policeman and his family? My sympathy is with them. These guys made the choice to commit the crime resulting in loss of life. The victim and family had no say in the matter.

[@erictan9482]

Can the presenter please recount how the murderers killed the poor victims?

[@bowlampar]

Horrific details of death penalty ?? Wait till you see how every victim died in the hand of convicted murderer , then you will understand what ''horrible'' means. Compare to the suffering of murdered victim and his family, it is nothing, Judge!

[@uchihasenjuu]

All you saying the death penalty deters crime. Then why are there still so many murders, kidnappings, drug trafficking, etc? In the olden days criminals were publicly executed in the most horrific ways imaginable but even that did not prevent people from committing heinous crimes. The death penalty only serves to lessen the national financial burden of keeping criminals alive. Killing the criminals won’t reverse the effects of the crimes already committed.

[@OleLeik]

That lack of full deterent is even more the case for prison sentences. As well as for fines and any other imaginable type of deterent and punishment for wrongdoings, judicial or otherwise. So..........? With a death penalty, if carried out , there would certainly be no re-offender

[@dzulkafleysamad4980]

Eye for an eye

[@mattbod]

The Malaysians use the old British long drop which is based on weight to deliver a drop force of about 900 lb ft. Look for Saddaam Hussein’s handing on here. He was gone in a trice.. As the judge said the sheer force of the snap of the rope breaks their neck and they are instantly knocked out and dead shortly afterwards. The horrific thing would be being in the cell near the gallows and hearing the crash knowing one day it will be you. That is the torture

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

If you shoot someone breaking into your house, that's an instant death penalty. If you have a problem with the death penalty, let me live and I will let you live.

[@onexoxtoo]

Tell us too the horrific details of the crime they commit, the horrific details of the victims

[@kelseymathias3881]

So what if they're left hanging for 1/2 hour. They're not suffering during that time, apparently unconscious within seconds after dropping.

[@kaiyin3842]

He was a rookie then, did you pay attention? He is just sharing the details because most people don’t know.

[@pandapie377]

What does it mean by details hid from the public? Did someone ask and they avoid answering or censored the details? Or no one really asked and so they felt that it was unnecessary to inform the public on the details? If not, people will just bring it up and whine about it or something

[@Kimmilloyd7581]

Do the crime and pay!

[@daviddenham1511]

Bodies have ALWAYS been left to hang for an hour……don’t talk nonsense!

[@corneilcorneil]

Half hour? Short time. What is the problem?

[@shahrulamar5358]

Majority of developed nations already abolished the death penalty many years ago. Even few developed countries which still have the death penalty rarely implemented it. 🇬🇧 🇨🇦 🇫🇷 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 🇨🇭 🇫🇮 🇩🇪 🇬🇷 🇧🇻 🇱🇺 🇸🇪

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

The system used was the one used by the British. Long drop, halter not noose, table of drops to ensure instant unconsciousness and left hanging for 30 minutes. The British long drop system was about as instant as a guillotine and a lot less messy. Death is caused by the severing of the spinal chord. Unconsciousness is always instant.