How the Hidden Debug Ending in Poppy Playtime Chapter 2 Completely Changes What We Knew

[@HorrorScoped]

How do you think this dialogue would have affected the story? What's your theory?

[@hackr5277]

if they put this dialogue in the actual game it would kinda spoil the plot

[@GukorD]

I think Poppy want to die.. With hate, you will not feel guilty... But, bait you first to safe other people and make the place safe....

[@BespokeYT]

If she said that i dont think there would be a chapter 3. Like you came to find the people from that factory so i dont think there would be a chapter 3 if she said that and it would spoil the story of the game so yeah thats my theory.

[@zaxgd6639]

I think that the claw or Prototype is gonna be the monster in chapter 3 or maybe a robot????? (Yeh it's not gonna be a robot ;-;) and maybe kissy missy is gonna start to kill us or huggy wuggy survived or sometin...

[@DarkRogue8644]

@Dancing Doggo yeah me too

[@Anthonymous]

Honestly, I think that would explain why the train ride before the crash takes so long, since the real piece of dialogue that Poppy was supposed to tell us instead of betraying us out of the blue is now missing and replaced with new shorter dialogue

[@deepmind5318]

It's possible that Poppy changed her mind and decided to force us to change plans as well. It's not clear whether Poppy is sinister from the beginning, or if she grows to become sinister, but so far, we know that almost all the toys and experiments are evil. They become insane because they are forced to live like empty monsters. So it's possible that Poppy is also realizing that she is going to have to do very bad things including to the main character to achieve a new goal. If she cannot be revived back as a person, and she's damned to live as a toy, the real question now should be "what is she going to do now?".

[@goteamslugs]

Perhaps what ended up being in the game was a result of what Mommy told Poppy while she was held hostage. "ItsJustJord" covers this well.

[@sn_wav]

@@goteamslugs Yeah since she's traumatized because of Mommy

[@No-Community1380]

@@deepmind5318 as matpat suggests poppy wants to be a doll and make children happy but she's stuck in the facility she wants to help people no matter the cost

[@goteamslugs]

@@sn_wav Possibly.

[@gamerkingdom1442]

Huh, this is, legitimately better than the original ending. Instead of the meh backstab, she’s forcing the player to help her free the toys. It still gives her a dark mentality, but with good intentions. I wish this was the actual ending. Great find!!

[@DeathLore]

I think the reason why it was removed is because it reveals a bit too much lore for the game especially this early in the game.

[@sleepdeprive5811]

@@DeathLore and also it reveals the true plan for the plot so they decided to remove it for future purposes, which I can agree on because for future theories and possibly different ideas for plot you know, which is good!

[@Ultiminium]

Is the ending really such a backstab when she's trying to prevent the monsters from getting out if those monsters are such a threat to us imagine what they would do to other people who aren't as prepared for it

[@sleepdeprive5811]

@@Ultiminium TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@Awesomeflame16]

​@@sleepdeprive5811 precisely. Shes not evil, she just wants to use us to set things right

[@frozenburst64]

I honestly prefer this dialog, while having secrets to discover are cool. I prefer the main information just being told (many side details can be a mystery to balance it out) . It would be a nice change of pace compared to some horror games.

[@wildenboy_]

Agree

[@Pauli-dg2yv]

I'm looking at you, Five nights at Freddy's

[@giin97]

@@Pauli-dg2yv what, you don't like faded text in a children's coloring book guiding you towards spelling errors in a specific order to provide you coordinates to use in a word search to obtain a cipher based on text color on alternating pages in order to learn the name of the character you play as? 😁

[@AbdelG100]

@@Pauli-dg2yv also you bendy and the ink machine,i have my eye's on you

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Are these replies implying that poppy playtime is better than fnaf and bendy?

[@Memorydraws]

I like poppy being more kind hearted then seem like the villain. In the beta dialogue it sounds like that poppy is sad full of grief and shame but wants to help fix everything with the player, and she even sounds like she’s sorry when she tells you she was lying about taking you out of the factory. Stuff like this would make her Character stand out even more

[@New3DSLuigi364]

EXACTLY. . . Even If It Spoils a lot of the Story; It DOESN'T Derail Poppy's Characterization(I Guess the Train Derailing WAS Also Metaphorical, too)

[@1234andrewjacksmith]

even in the actual chapter she apologies to you and tells you she wants to makes things right together which is pretty much the exact same ideal

[@New3DSLuigi364]

@@1234andrewjacksmith But THIS ending feels MUCH MORE Sincere!!

[@1234andrewjacksmith]

Eh to me it sounds less Sincere

[@New3DSLuigi364]

@@1234andrewjacksmith I Couldn't agree LESS!!

[@because-strudels]

Even if it "gave away" more story than the devs might've intended, I like this ending way better. It feels like it respects the efforts of the player more and generates more interest in the next chapter for me as a player. The ending as it currently stands just feels like, at best, a naked hook for Chapter 3. We already knew we weren't going to escape the facility even before we started playing, so Poppy's betrayal at the end just felt meh, imo.

[@Guendison]

^^^ Bump this

[@goteamslugs]

Honestly who didn't. Perhaps what ended up being in the game was a result of what Mommy told Poppy while she was held hostage. "ItsJustJord" covers this well.

[@Ebonheart2319]

@@goteamslugs The biggest problem is that the player no longer has any reason to go deeper. The mystery is solved, everyone became or was eaten by giant cannibal toys. We "know" an exit was down the other tunnel. The Doll just betrayed us, and deeper = worse. We have no reason to not just walked back up the tunnel and ignore the Playcare region. The plot vehicle itself has derailed. We no longer have a plot motivation. We will inevitably be trapped behind a trainwreck/invisiible walls, and blind panic and momentary survival will prevent the obvious narrative issues from being addressed. But the simple truth was revealed here. The player does not care about the further mysteries/lore. Poppy can figure her own shit out. We were promised an exit. The player character has already decided this adventure is over.

[@mynameisjeff1271]

@@Ebonheart2319 exactly like girl why is she so defenseless like this ain’t Mario we not about to be Mario saving Peach all chapters like she need her motive to be explain and the lore about us still isn’t figured out the deeper we go we may figure we are a experiment and probably the guy who says “I’ll be back through a break through” sorry I don’t remember the exact line but I know he used the line break through so that could be us as for we have to be a Toy or something like a first humanoid experiment but we don’t if we are a girl or guy well idk if we are a girl or guy but seemingly we have the power of resurrection which is why poppy needs us as for when she dies she gone but it seems that the poppy flowers darkness is ineffective to us the player which means we can use it to revive countless Of times as we also need a shock for this to work the cause is are memories being wiped as for we possibly canonically died and gonna show how we get revived again and again

[@Goldenrod.5]

@@mynameisjeff1271 I don't really see your point. She is not defenseless, the devs just had nothing to do with Poppy, so they gave her more trauma. And the person to who you are replying, this ending from the prototype implies that we still have an urge to explore. The plot vehicle has not "derailed", as you stated. There are still many questions that are left unanswered.

[@sparky111000]

the music box adds a sense of sadness and loss; That makes poppy seem more tragic as a character who endured a lot and believes that the player can stop what ever is happening. She believes in them and wants them help guide them by starting where it begin. I really loved this ending over the other ending. She’s a lot more sympathetic with the player

[@Awesomeflame16]

it reveals a bit to much for a 2nd chapter tho?

[@New3DSLuigi364]

Even if it DOES Reveal a bit more than the Developers WANTED the players to know; AT LEAST POPPY doesn't feel Out-Of-Character or Inconsistent with her prior characterization!!

[@sparky111000]

@@Awesomeflame16 i mean if you really think on it, i feel like she she answers whats shown in chapter 2 and 1. All the massive blood stains and that first grey tape shows that everyone is dead for god knows how long. So thats parts okay. I think if poppy stated that playcare is the place to start looking for morr answer's first and then cut off when she mentions shes she reason why their gone. Like the audio cuts her off before beforehand leaving the viewer puzzled of what she was gonna say would of worked. Like for example. "The reason why there gone is-" and then cut it like that of sorts.

[@raylenn4444]

@@Awesomeflame16 nah, just enough to pique your attention & get you wondering.

[@RurouniHiro]

Plus the line also gives answers but prompts way more questions. Was all this done to make her? Does she feel responsible for that?

[@MONO-97]

I enjoyed the debug version of poppys speech way more than the one we got in the final game

[@-gonk-7306]

Yeah because the debug one sounds more like poppy. But the final one is more hast together.

[@umbreonmaster8921]

Me too. The one in the main game is a betrayal, but this one is more of a plea for help.

[@goteamslugs]

Honestly who didn't. Perhaps what ended up being in the game was a result of what Mommy told Poppy while she was held hostage. "ItsJustJord" covers this well.

[@purplecobra52]

I enjoyed the entire debug version more. I mean between the caterpillars jumpscare thing, mommys death and the speech, It is clearly superior.

[@leemingming7657]

The main one may be more betrayal,but i really wonder why she said 'what..?' at the end before the train crashed

[@noname-jt6kl]

Sounds interesting. The debug speech tells a lot more about the story and shows that poppy hasn't fully betrayed you. It also shows that she is linked to people dying because she is able to live as a doll, likely due to others trying to do that too.

[@regmcgee8792]

noice

[@tsgtajirisilvergaming90]

You know when Matt Pat released a video thesis "our theories are killing games..." I can't help but feel they see how close some of the theories are and divert expectations. I way prefer these lines than in the original game.

[@dodiezero]

I was about to comment that as well. But if thats not the case, then i hope that this unreleased content are just reserved for the upcomig chapters.

[@FXFGamer]

The thing is, if someone theorises correctly, that's indicative of good writing. Plot twists shouldn't come unprecedented, they should be hinted subtly so that the viewers feel rewarded or familiarised. Viewers that guessed it right are rewarded with the pleasant feeling of knowing what was to come. Viewers that didn't, understand why and how the plot twist works. You can't just twist the plot for the sake of tricking the viewer. That's exactly why the ending we got is bad and the debug ending feels good.

[@heartroll8719]

Compared to the ending we got, she sounds more sympathetic here while in the final one, she sounds more menacing like she has been condition someway. I love her voice actress though.

[@breadsticks6712]

This adds more context to the story. But, I like the normal ending's obscurity, adds to the mystery if she is friend or foe, and reminds me of Circus Baby's character imo

[@ratbastard7224]

Now that you mention it...she really gives and looks a bit like Circus Baby.

[@ratbastard7224]

@Psychosis makes sense, and enchantedmob makes fnaf animations so you're right

[@vincentyang3049]

the debug version makes it like she’s helping you instead of more betrayal so she needs your help to fix everything because were special I like this debug ending because she sounds more friendly and more of a trusted alibi

[@joksizantos7520]

It might turn into a non canon if they are the type of those game companies where if their audience predicted things correctly (in this case just finding it out), they just change it to have some sort of surprise. Matpat tackled it on "are theories killing video games".

[@antoinecyr2833]

Oh god let’s hope not. This kind of behavior is for people with fragile ego. There should be nothing wrong with the players exploring your game and finding the secret that make the story go forward.(same goes for theory) Also I m just getting tired of these stories where your Ally in a horror-adventure game was secretly the bad guy because reason. And was totally not forshadow by them speaking with a deeper tone of voice… (oooh very scary)

[@FirstNameLastName-mn9sz]

That’d be terrible. Just stay on course even if the fanbase guesses things correctly

[@Geepnarp]

Same happened with security breach.

[@bestianegra3725]

@@Geepnarp ik and it sucks

[@lumo5515]

@@antoinecyr2833 changing the story to make the audience expect the unexpected isn't a bad thing. When people know the story too well it can lead to the story being boring since the people will be knowing what would happen next

[@layne423]

When Poppy says "Being able to exist as a doll, it has killed so many people" I feel like that further confirms that the workers as well as the orphans were turned into toys and the process kept going cuz since Stella Greyber; someone who was willing to be a toy: was successfully turned into Poppy. Elliot thought it would be the same for the workers and kids. Like how Joey Drew thought the same for his workers

[@michealdawg3335]

She could also be talking about the toys killing all the staff. And it's kinda confirmed that stella isn't poppy or kissy Missy since she was still alive and well when both of them already existed. She was the overseer of the game station.

[@SheHatesSoul]

Stella isn't poppy, stella is the voice that announces the game station. Meaning stella was alive after mommy poppy and huggy were made.

[@layne423]

@@SheHatesSoul Then was the game just being "creepy" in the first chapter when Poppy says "I'm a real girl...JusT lIkE YoU~"? Also its not made clear WHEN those announcements for the game station were recorded.

[@LookAt_MyCat]

When I heard poppies dialogue I was shocked, it felt heart warming and understanding instead of the other version, but then it got me thinking, what if she wasn’t morbid in this version? I know it’s a basic thing to think of but think about it, she could of helped us more threw out the game or even share some lore, but who knows.

[@ShaulaXNinja]

The music in the debug version even sounds more innocent and less sinister than the final.

[@spiritcat3237]

I wish they had merged the two endings more. Made it to where poppy said she wanted the player to help but didn't specify what and maybe said something about her being the cause of so many deaths too.

[@al3ekss]

'and i am the cause' i think that, when poppy was created as a living doll, the company wanted to replicate that, and they created monsters.

[@juegawomandownunder]

they experimented with children and killed people too

[@Ameneyuiki]

Yeah I agree with you but Kissy Missy is still a mystery we don't know if she's in our side or trying to kill use like the other trying to do

[@kaitlando636]

Her existing as a doll causing everything. I wonder if shes an actual living doll Or someone who was experimented on and it was actually successful

[@TheCottonCandy707]

maybe she was the first succesful one and after that came the other toys like mommy, huggy, kissy etc. which all required I'm guessing a human sacrifice

[@diostaku2]

I guess it's like you say, they didn't want to give answers yet (and play more with the mystery), maybe that's why the change. It's also possible that they intentionally left that in the files for people to discover and speculate about that, while at the same time not fully committing to that line in case they decide to change their minds later.🤔

[@tomd96]

I don't think it being left in the files is intentional, the files left in the game are just a product of a change in plans. There are aspects missing entirely from the debug version of the game, such as the metal hand, most of Mommy's chase sequences are unfinished (moving faster than she is in the actual game), even the alternate ending in the train has an entirely different room that spirals, as opposed to the static hallway that moves in the release. The train itself was missing a lot of textures, and the puzzle on the train itself wasn't finished. You can't even progress through the caterpillar puzzle because all the exits are partially blocked off. I'd like to treat this alternate ending as non-canon.

[@NekuSebas]

I like this ending, instead being the: Oh(deadpan tone), she was evil all along... It becomes something like this: So she's not evil and actually needs our help and wants to fix things.

[@ltmuffler3482]

I never got the impression that it was the "evil all along" thing. It initially reads as obsessed either keeping you there like mommy was, and makes poppy sound as insane as the rest of the toys, and to an extent I think she aught to be and it would be weird if she was sane despite being the oldest toy. But as she spoke, even in the live ending it was made clear she needed you to resolve what was happening in the facility, not just to kill you, which created a nice mystery to end the chapter on: What happened here that she feels needs to be stopped? Why can only you stop it? Is she insane like the rest of them? Is it not mutually exclusive with motives? If so... is she really a friend, or a foe? I think they WANT you to be on guard with poppy, and the cut ending gave too much away and made her sound too sympathetic to achieve that goal. I like to think that she's a friend, and in that way the cut ending is better, but I also think the tension in your partnership with poppy going forward is a good way to keep the suspense elements of the game high, which is a good move imo.

[@Willysupergamer]

Poppy never gave me the feeling that she was evil, I thought she just wanted to keep you down here and like find out what happened here.

[@yoshimasterleader]

but the release dialogue says the exact same thing as this ending except shorter.

[@gaminggoddess85]

"I'm totally super helpful and trustworthy HAHA FOOLED YOU I'M EVIL" is such a cliche twist... But then so is "bereaved parent does unspeakable things to revive child" if that's what Poppy is.

[@scarababbeo9733]

It kinda reminds me of Circus baby in Fnaf: Sister location

[@ToasterStudiosss]

Poppy’s voice in the debug version is way better than the one we got

[@tomboygamer3788]

Yeah, the debug version gave a sense of motivation to keep looking for answers Sure the dialogue gave us a bit of spoilers about chapter 3, but not the whole chapter like: Who's the next enemy you'll be fighting, where you go next after the Play care and so on.

[@gregoryjames1542]

The voice acting in this game is incredible and it’s unfortunate they didnt use more of Nola Klops poppy lines.

[@j4mi_]

I think this is poppy’s true intentions.

[@sboy2044]

I feel like they should’ve used a sort of mix between the two. One that shows that she has good intentions, but still isn’t completely in the right.

[@mikaidev2360]

The debug speech of poppy: *helps* The official speech of poppy: *EMOTIONAL DAMMMMMMMAAAAAGE*

[@Noctis-fr3uc]

I hope they didn't retcone this story path, the whole "she's not letting you leave but it's for a good reason" story, looks like a much more interesting story and it also makes sense within the narrative.

[@pstar7366]

Actually, after I heard the voice line of this one ending, I felt something different in the final version, poppy feels more like a criminal/traitor in this version, poppy looks like a very good character, and really needs our help but we better wait for chapter 3 to see the real guise of poppy ·-·

[@physfipop]

I noticed you made an error while putting subtitles on Poppy's dialogue, 2:06 "I'm sorry, I cannot let you leave yet."

[@orangexdj9581]

To be honest this version as you said it is more sympathetic and reassuring like you actually have a proper companion... And as anyone would probably say, "I prefer this one actually"

[@faultedjam]

Hopes are we don't have another security breach situation where we figure something out so the entire game changes

[@Potato.00]

I think this is really interesting. I prefer this one more, maybe instead they could have just edited the hints they might have said instead of just deleting it. I liked how she seemed less mean in the old version, but maybe they wanted the players to think about the last scene as a cliffhanger, not just letting them make theories on details.

[@girostade5477]

I think it was the right call to scrap this ending, because it doesn't make the game feel like an horror oriented game anymore, but more like a Puzzle adventure game. the ending we got, opens up a possibility for a redemption Arc for Poppy as in "she wants to save make things right but at what cost". if she plans to put an end to the experiments by just throwing us at it, she basically makes us the same as those orphans, so the direction that we got opens this contradiction in her character which I'm eager to see the resolution of ! :D

[@filispeed_0111]

While I prefer this dialog, since im tired of horror games constantly hiding their lore, making you waste too much time trying to figure it out, I still get your point

[@raylenn4444]

Nah. Poppy playtime was always a puzzle game disguising as an horror game. Your point i vain.

[@grapesvines1124]

True

[@TheMegaOnyx]

This ending sounds better, and it still have sense of importance and mystery... Always thought she sounded... Off... Like a random twist for the twisted sake... This gives me more of interesting story, that's its not just what we know, but what we doesn't know...

[@justkeylimeyogurt3929]

I actually felt that Poppy was nice even when she did not let us leave. I mean, she said she we are perfect. So what if she doesn’t let us leave? She wants us to restart the factory but not evil.

[@njhgv9192]

I think this is the intro for chapter 3, and the ending for chapter 2 would just be you getting on the train. And then the devs changed the storyline...

[@LowTierVehicle]

I feel like you know more about this game than the actual developers.

[@RelentlessSketchStudios]

I gotta say, while games whose names are titled after the character that is the main villain like Bendy and the Ink Machine and Baldi's Basics will be near and dear to my heart, I really am in love with the idea of the title character in a horror game being an ally to the player. First thing I instantly think of when this trope comes up is Baby Talking Tattletail or Glamrock Freddy: both of these guys are protagonists of their respective titles and lend the player a helping hand as they progress throughout the story without any sort of ulterior motive other than wanting to help. I understand that in horror games, not everything is sunshine and rainbows, but just having the titular character be on the player's side is a breath of fresh air. If this theory of Poppy being an individual that truly wants to set things right and being a hero holds up, then we could be in for some good stuff!

[@maddiewhatever441]

It feels satisfying. Like you actually earned something

[@RainenStar2264]

Tbh, I wish they used it in the actual game, it would make it more and more great

[@loridarkpool3631]

This is a better ending. Poppy isn't really betraying us and her decision to keep the player there feels more natural. It's not hard to figure out everyone is gone and had been for a long time. It really didn't ruin that much lorewise. The mysteries O' plenty. 1006 and what he's up to, is Huggy still around?, what's the deal with Kissy?, are we an experiment?, who's talking to us when we die?, what is the players deal?, were they one of the orphans (remember the oldest age was 16, the working age) and had a connection with another employee?, is the fact that the main antagonist for the first two chapters having counterparts foreshadowing or hinting at something?, and many more questions.

[@buttermanaws4693]

Even with the changed version we got this can still be used to see where the story might go

[@smashbrosguyt915]

I like this more. It makes it sound like she actually wants you to stay and defeat the other toys (she wanted to in Main game but didn’t clarify.) The music box makes it sound more like a somewhat bittersweet ending.

[@permeus2nd]

3:37 to me that sounds a lot like survivors guilt, it sounds like she blames herself for been the first the success and that she feels that without her been made none of the others would have been made. Now of course if that is true her feeling guilty is preposterous as even if she didn’t get made something else would, it would only be a matter of time before the other people performing the experiments had the brake-though that lead to the likes of huggy and mommy, even if she was one of the lead scientists that pushed the research others would have succeeded sooner or later without her been there, but at least now she has the opportunity to fix it with the players help even if we may not be doing it willingly (maybe we would have helped anyway if she just asked).

[@zeldagamelover24]

I hope we hear more news on it soon, I practically live for good games like this that have a story to draw you in and get you involved with, makes the game so much more fun

[@Spamkromite]

But the greatest mystery of the chapter is still unsolved: how in heck Mommy is purported to spin spidersilk? My theory is that she just picks them from about the facility because natural spiders are already crowding the premises, but if she was pre-installed with silk spinning, how in the name of the holiest can she do that??

[@christieweyapuk3413]

Its spiderman web slingers in her arse lol

[@nayimaa]

this is very good, its like she doesnt mean to kill them but just her existing is already bad and she knows that, she wants to help the other toys. She prolly lured him in by sending the poppy flower thing. i actually love poppy sm 🌺😭💕💕

[@Limitedonathios]

So…. after this dialogue I feel like Poppy sent the letter. So why was she pretending to be stuck in the case when homegirl was busy searching up old employee records and sending off letters in the mail. Even had the time to draw flowers. We need some answers sis

[@coreym162]

she was in the case. Not likely

[@owenhedderick5103]

The things poppy says in the debug version are a lot more heart warming and persevering unlike the other one where she just slaps at you that you are too perfect to lose and can’t let you leave. Thank you for showing this stuff horrorbro

[@johannsebastiand.bautista7]

poppy's different speach is better than the one we got

[@winterroll1253]

Her "existing as a doll which killed many people" probably means that the success of the resurrection of possibly Elliot's daughter into the Poppy Playtime doll, has unfortunately been used by evil scientists who would sacrifice human lives, especially young orphans to resurrect them into toys.

[@muigogitoultrasonic3947]

I like the promo version of dialog than the one in the final version

[@peiji3084]

*When you realized you accidentally figured out the intentions of poppy that's probably gonna have a huge impact to the ending.*

[@EnergonVlada]

The debug ending is better imo.

[@dittohurt]

This one is original bc Poppy said a lot that is in the Trailer and Poppy didn’t look at us when she said ”Great I will board the train we need to leave”

[@zaec.garrett7770]

I think there giving a since of betrayal before Poppy tells you the truth in Playcare Or She was going to reveal all of that before getting cut off by 1006 It seems like she was childish but a bit more serious in that deleted ending you get this sense not that your being betrayed but that your finally going to end this with her aid but before that happens shes going to inform somehow with the help of playcare Oh wait ok so she's still trying to do all of this and 1006 cut her off he has her now maybe more and more chapters reveal more and more info but your so close to being safe with Poppy she gets taken or something Uh oh my minds gone wild with creativity

[@coreym162]

How do you assume it's 1006 that derailed the train? Haven't you paid attention to all of the boobytraps (Bonzo's exit and the cave in during the last chase, etc.) and sabotage (taking the strings of of the Huggy's) and nightmarish strength that Mommy demonstrated? She was the only one to know you wanted out on the train and teasing the player with the codes to the train with the completion of every trial. She didn't want you to leave. She tells you strait up when you first meet her. She wants you to die messy. Also, couldn't 1006 just killed you after scooping up Mommy?

[@vvvvvv-op7jb]

@@coreym162 I think he is saying that exp 1006 cut off poppy from saying everything, I really like that idea after all.

[@totallynotkhobsessed]

Honestly I love it like this. Makes her seem less of a goblin lol

[@raytay__gay]

love your videos

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

I like the music box theme that plays while she’s talking, it’s melancholic but also uplifting and hopeful. I think most likely they decided that Poppy was giving away too much of the plot. I also think they wanted to create a sense of unease with Poppy going forward, in the original ending she’s unquestionably good and is simply pulling us deeper into the facility to set things right. In the final ending she’s not giving away her motivation, is she our friend, temporary ally or an enemy that’s just using us for her own ends?

[@Wbfuhn]

My concern is if any of the staff are still alive. Could they still be alive? But I have other questions. Are the living toys build from the organs of orphans? It's already theorized that the orphans are tested and only the best get selected. Do these children get implanted into synthetic bodies? There's a sense of magic for the toys, to the point of being disturbing. FNaF is possibly more believable, but implies that souls can be trapped in the body with the use of a structured frame that is powered and operational. This is also proved that it doesn't have to be permanent that the frame can be separated from the body and the body made undead. This is also not permanent as the soul can transfer to any operating machine with similar functions such as Glamrock Freddy.

[@theweasel3293]

I feel like she still has good intentions in the normal ending even though she doesn’t sound like she does

[@CraftyMaelyss]

Honestly? I prefer this version over the 'cannon' version. It feels like they changed it because of online theories guessing correctly and devs wanting to change it to make sure it's still 'a shocking twist.' Also the whole 'dolls are evil' trope is really tired and boring, I want to see someone change that at least once.

[@coreym162]

All of the theories were wrong and still wrong to date. Everyone was calling Poppy the main antagonist. I knew and still know she isn't. I knew that since the player isn't obviously going to die at the beginning of Chapter 2 by Poppy in the dark that she was an ally. Everyone seems to just want her to be bad and Huggy to be good which doesn't make sense to me. Also, everyone thought Huggy was the spider. All the theories are and were always half-baked because, all of the short attention spans to elaborate details still being widely missed. Like, the cutout audio's severity of the garbled audio indicates level of hostility.

[@Ebonheart2319]

They decided a Shyamalan cliffhanger was more important than a satisfying conclusion. Chapter 3 will of course end with yet another betrayal fakeout. The problem is there is now nothing preventing our character from nope'ing out and climbing back up the tunnel. The doll just betrayed us, there are multiple giant toys trying to kill us. We no longer have a touchstone reason for staying. Paperwork clearly indicated deeper=worse. Everyone is dead or converted into a macromurdertoy. Jobs done, mystery is solved, time to exit through one of the many random conveyor belts and clearly lead UP.

[@coreym162]

I think your wrong about the end of Chapter 3. You might gain a currently unthinkable alliance. Like an alliance with Experiment 1006 or maybe discover it's origin. He never attacks you which is a very important missed detail..

[@carpenterforlifeofc]

Fun fact, The “where do I begin” part is in the trailer! Random, but it’s a fact.

[@thefoxcelotclub]

Where is it at

[@rhiacamaso8904]

Idk why but i have a feeling that the "Once again You're perfect, Too perfect to lose" Dialogue Is gonna come back next chapter.

[@duckygaming3029]

Poppies eyes are different after you save her from the cobwebs when you defeat mommy. Poppys eyes are human like but once you save her her eyes are darker and don't have those veins. almost like there toy like

[@destroidhak2556]

I like it a lot better. In the normal ending, its like poppy just goes from friendly to "IM GOING TO SLIT YOUR THROAT" off-screen. Here, at least its smoother with poppy still showing compassion, not just being an entierly different character

[@jackmack4181]

I prefer this to be the canon version

[@argentumstaar]

This version of the ending is honestly a lot better.

[@Skwish6952]

It is never said that Ludwig lost his daughter. It says that he had a great loss in his family. Its easy to assume that it was a daughter that he put in Poppy, but we dont know that

[@coreym162]

Thank you. Everyone if fooled by their own cinematic expectations rather than lead by the evidence.

[@shadowdragon1831]

it sounds like the same way the newer ending she wanting to help but the debug ending it seems better for anyone else to understand the meaning of poppy's "betrayal"

[@mackie_cat]

2:03 I cannot you leave yet

[@stayhappystaygood12]

imagine if mob games bans horrorscoped for giving away the story and spoiling it lol

[@SwaggyG_2102]

I wish they kept this in the game. It would've made much more sense, ESPECIALLY considering a certain tape in regards towards a man named Ludwig and how he lost a certain "loved one" in the 1960s.

[@nothanks7263]

We know our player character used to work for Playtime. I frequently wonder if the slide missing it's nameplate isn't our own name in this game.

[@sahilhossain8204]

Hmm yes accurate debug lore moment

[@katrinaisyounicorn824]

This is, legitimately better than the original ending. Instead of the meh backstab, she’s forcing the player to help her free the toys. It still gives her a dark mentality, but with good intentions. I wish this was the actual ending. Great find!!

[@billihu2764]

The story behind poppy is that she was a normal girl called Stella (probably Stella Ludwig) she was at the factory we are in running around near the conveyor She fell onto the conveyor and her head got ripped off and died that's how she is so smart

[@rotinred]

stellas last name isnt ludwig

[@vampishpigeon1219]

I understand what poppy was saying in the beta version. She said: “being able to exist as a doll, it has killed so many people.” What she means by that is she was the first successful experiment back in 1950 of bring a toy to life. And playtime co did that with hundreds of other experiments. Those experiments were toys that were made with the soul of an orphan. Those orphans were killed by playtime co for the souls of toys. That’s what she means by: “being able to exist as a doll, it has killed so many people.”

[@jangabrael]

What if this game is just the player in a nightmare? a never ending one? what I mean is it’s a trick of its mind the player is in a daycare but thinks it’s a like this (what you play in the game) and all the games seem like a Terrifying nightmare but in reality it’s just a friendly game? most horror games or movies are just people in a dream/nightmare so yeah,but it’s just a theory

[@croak9226]

I really prefer the dialog it makes more sense instead of poppy being a type of villain or feeling to it , it really gives more feeling to it somewhat.

[@mikko5471]

*Matpat is approaching!*

[@tsubaki4106]

To me, the most important difference between this ending and the final cut is the presence or absence of a single word. In the “debug” version, Poppy says she can’t let us leave YET. This indicates that she wants to let us go eventually, but the job she needs us for comes first. In the final release, this word is dropped and she comes across as not intending to EVER let us leave, even after we do what she wants.

[@OfficialFlashKnight]

Not gonna lie, I would have loved this ending.

[@krisha6728]

i mean i dont know, many people said that poppy is eliot ludwig's or whatever his name daughter is trapped inside the poppy doll but i dont think so. if you see the ending credits that stella greybur and poppy have the same voice actor. idk much but im pretty sure that means something

[@eyesergen]

The one character in this game that really has a mystery to them is kissy missy, why help you & not open the door to kill you, I felt like she had a kind nature to her & she hadn't fallen to the darkness like the others, I could go way out there & say she could be the true daughter of Ludwig & poppy is actually Ludwig himself, reason? Because poppy didn't let you go & that she wanted to make things right, maybe Ludwig is still obsessing over his experiments even in doll form. My theory but it'll change very likely in the third chapter no doubt.

[@christieweyapuk3413]

I think Ludwig made Poppy originally but when the company took over his experiments they made him into the prototype

[@coreym162]

Kissy Missy's audio button has a hardly noticeable distortion when she sounds like a train. However Mommy's Audio button is complexly inaudible. Maybe the audio indicates the level of the real toy's corruption. No Poppy button yet. I'd be interested to hear that. However, all of her tape audio is clear but, the Mommy Long-Legs commercial tape is all glitched like the Ring tape at the end. I don't see anyone mention this.

[@Goldenrod.5]

Poppy being a child, maybe even Elliot Ludwig's daughter, makes more sense to me. By saying she is the cause of all the deaths that happened, I believe she means that because of her existence, because she is the first human experiment, others have died since humans can be turned into dolls or toys.

[@Dachito_Pachitoo]

3:16 terrible things HAD happend not has

[@the.gavinaator]

This sounds like a more sane than how insanity must have infected her in that case, and how she truly just wants to set things right. This also adds to my Poppy Flower theory, where Poppy contains it.

[@physfipop]

Woah this is crazy

[@muddashucka9743]

The debug speech is so much better for the story, but they cut it so there'd be more to theorise about.

[@E-Box]

I'm gonna unsubscribe from my 170k alts if Swanky keeps talking like that.

[@y3llowx]

My dog came out of nowhere licked the subscribe button on my tablet while I was watching this video 😁

[@PlayerPaul]

0:05 They? lol what

[@poleve5409]

non binary... like a robot yknow...?

[@GlamNotFound]

This really connects to the dialogue poppy says in the trailer

[@ThePasteMan]

Why you say, "They" like she doesn't have a gender...?

[@RallyTheTally]

That's what I was wondering!

[@StrayBats]

This is very interesting and it carries a lot of implications for how the developers are choosing to have the story unfold. Can I have permission to use parts of your video for a video essay? I just got an idea to cover story structure by looking into why this cut ending seems to carry more weight than the version in the official release. From my perspective, it looks like the developers may have opted for a standard cliffhanger ending that only ends with us asking more questions, as opposed to get SOME answers but a reason to continue the plot forward. You introduced some very important details that a lot of writers need to take into account when building their stories (the most important being that the protagonist--the player in the case--has a reason to be here beyond just the conceit of the game. There is a personal reason TO the player character, not just because the game told you so). Hopefully I can get the essay together in a couple weeks. Thank you for sharing this video!

[@gameyfirebro9645]

It's strange that you're using gender-neutral pronouns in the intro when both Poppy and Stella Greybur are confirmed females.

[@CreamCakes420]

Ehh I myself use gender nutrwll pronoun interchangeably becasue it's s part of my speech pattern

[@gameyfirebro9645]

@@CreamCakes420 the wierd part is that it's only for the intro.

[@EricYTP]

@@gameyfirebro9645 I guess it comes down to laziness or something. Swanky has been doing it for awhile and even used this plural pronoun in a way that really messed with the context in a sentence that should have been following a single character in a scenario that followed multiple characters with one individual that was performing the actions. Swanky said something like "they are" when "he is" or "Mario is" would have been more clear. It's honestly distracting as hell sometimes.

[@CreamCakes420]

@@EricYTP yeah i can get it tho, habeing good grammar is annoying

[@rentarosasaki632]

I understand the developers not wanting to reveal to much for chapter 3 specially with theorist like matpat running around. Maybe they could have improved the dialogue a bit better. Sample Poppy: "Terrible things have happened. So many people, children have met such a terrible faith. Please bear with me, I cant let you leave yet. This track leads to the playcare we can start looking for clues on how to stop---- wait what?" *Connection gets cut*

[@vvvvvv-op7jb]

Another sample : you did it. against all odds, you defeated mommy, and you freed me... once again. you have so much potential. you're perfect, too perfect to lose. I'm sorry, I can't let you leave. I know you have came to find the ones who had disappeared all those years ago, but they're gone. they're gone for a long time. terrible this have happened. so much is unknown to you. where do I even begin? but we can fix everything, this train now heads towards the playcare. --- wait what? *Connection gets cut*