Legion hooked me to the alpha legion so much so some of my salamander army has a coat of UV paint that changes them to alpha legion under blue light.
@HistoritorJimaldus7 ай бұрын
Nice!
@crwarren8 ай бұрын
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right... Stuck in the middle with Uxor Mu.
@HistoritorJimaldus8 ай бұрын
Well I started out with nothing and I’m proud that I am Mu’s hetman
@CygnusMaximusXIII8 ай бұрын
I REALLY hope that Mira asks Dan if this song was the motivation for the companies' and Mu's names! It'd be brilliant if it was!
@TheExcessus7 ай бұрын
I've been playing Alpha Legion since the 90s, the old lore from 2nd ed is that they were *really* good at coordinating attacks, and their aspirants were failed or accepted as a team instead of individuals. It was a version of the right hand _actually_ knows what the left hand is doing type of thing. The cultist thing came in Index Astartes and is pretty in line with the rest of it.
@seano49779 ай бұрын
I have never wanted a jumper more in my life than seeing what Mira is wearing.
@euansmith36998 ай бұрын
It is certainly Codex Compliant! 😍
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
@@euansmith3699 oh but it isn't, the real aquila has one of it's eyes closed
@Moffen9T8 ай бұрын
Peto Soneka feels simultaneously exceptionally unlucky and fortunate. He survives however many attempts to hide the truth, becomes an incredibly lonely operative, and is one of four Imperials who gets to see The Acuity (and unlike Shere, he survives). Plus he gets to save his buddy as a personal favour from the primarch.
@RyanORourke188 ай бұрын
I've been looking forward to this one. Legion is definitely my favorite of the few Heresy books I've read, mainly because it does something I thought was impossible after my early exposure to the 40K community: It made me think the Alpha Legion were the coolest thing ever. And that's not even touching how amazing the human characters are. Can't wait to get out of class to watch!
@RyanORourke188 ай бұрын
and of course I edit the comment to fix a spelling error and the heart disappears. Oh well. Thanks Ian!
@kiltedcossack8 ай бұрын
I am so with you. I've been looking forward to this one, chock full of non-transhuman but still super interesting characters, and a look at a very non-standard (for 40K at least) regiment. "For the Emperor!" and "Hydra Dominatus!"
@richtysoe63938 ай бұрын
Mira: "In the next video, Battle for The Abyss..." Ian: "Oh God!" He knows....
@enricocastagnoli8338 ай бұрын
Just a small side note: "uxor" is not a made-up word, but it means "wife" in Latin. Love you both! Keep up with this amazing series! ❤
@YvesSMASH8 ай бұрын
John does indeed have an American accent in the audiobooks. I sort of always thought it was because he is like bizzaro James Bond so instead of being a suave brit he is a tired beat up space cowboy secret agent.
@Reliken8 ай бұрын
💯
@DaSkwire8 ай бұрын
"The Mr Benn of spies" Best description ever. 10/10 no notes 😂
@PsychoticFruitfly5 ай бұрын
he really is Johnny English isn't he??
@MountainsideTabletop8 ай бұрын
When you started this series, the three I most looked forward to were Fulgrim, Legion, and Betrayer. First two have been great, and I'll wait patiently for the next!
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
I want to see if Mira can get through Pharos.
@OK-hl6qd8 ай бұрын
Not The First Heretic?
@benphillips81748 ай бұрын
It's just occurred to me that the game they play with the heads at Visages is right out of Taskmaster.
@cappinjocj93168 ай бұрын
That jumper is awesome Mira.
@Bluecho48 ай бұрын
_Legion,_ by chance, was the first Horus Heresy book I read. I cannot believe my luck, that it was one of the best in the series. I love its focus on human characters and the way it only examines the title legion from the outside in. Which works very well for a sneaky, duplicitous group that is all about conspiracies. A book that more closely followed them and revealed their motives would ironically be poorer at capturing what makes the Alpha Legion cool. On the subject of "whose side are they on?", my interpretation is that any kind of control of the Alpha Legion died with Alpharius (assuming it was him who dies to [Redacted]), and it probably was lost even before that. The Alpha Legion are a self-perpetuating terror movement operating on the cellular level. Splinters are created, nominally to serve some intended purpose. But the legion became so large, so spread out, so secretive, and so complicated, only Alpharius and Omegon could possibly have kept it all straight. Possibly not even then, especially as the Heresy ground on and the exigencies of war demanded ad hoc changes and new forces mustered. So by the time the Heresy ended, no one was really in control. There was just a thousand warbands, continuing to operate according to plans laid down years, centuries, and latterly _millennia_ before. All certain THEY are the lynchpin of the legion's plans, and ALL not really understanding what they're doing. Alpha Legion captains create new warbands and send them off with pretenses and lies, not knowing that's exactly what _their_ handlers did to them. It's a hydra that has grown so many heads, any possibility of unity or even awareness of the whole is impossible on the part of those heads. A _fractal_ of duplicity, that operates on its own momentum. Mutating and reproducing itself endlessly.
@HistoritorJimaldus9 ай бұрын
37:08 one correction there, they don’t kill Peto and Rukhsana (and they rescue Bronzi)
@miramanga9 ай бұрын
Oh no 😅 what could I say.. it was a long night of filming
@isaaclloyd81328 ай бұрын
My favourite 'holy shit these guys are awesome' moment in the heresy was with the white scars. Turning Mongals on spacebikes into a living breathing awesome culture.
@garyknight30187 ай бұрын
These reviews and discussions are always so charming! And a great way to relive the stories, top notch stuff.
@chrisjones67928 ай бұрын
Also, the Geno 52 get a blink and you'll miss it shoutout in the End and the Death, just as part of a long list of regiments and astartes formations grappleing for life in no mans land.
@IKMojito8 ай бұрын
Everytime they got mentioned i couldn't help but smile
@sean49298 ай бұрын
Legion is one of the best Horus Heresy books. The mystery and conspiracy were fantastic, with the ending being a hammer blow.
@NeverQuiteAlex8 ай бұрын
Mira's Emperor voice is now canon.
@davetaylor99669 ай бұрын
Namatjira's name is from Albert Namatjira, a famous indigenous Australian artist from the first half of the 20th Century. The thylacine is named after the Tasmanian tiger. Not sure why Dan made those Australia-centric choices though.
@lachlanasquith39208 ай бұрын
Scrolled through the comments to find this, I'm glad that the first nations is able to be represented somewhat in the 31st millennium
@AlexYue2168 ай бұрын
This is one of the Heresy books I'll revisit often. I just can't get enough of all the details in the different armies. I wish I could make a geno 52 kill team.
@Bataav8 ай бұрын
Hydra Dominatus! My favourite book of the Heresy series too. As a follow up, a review of "Alpharius: Head of the Hydra" by Mike Brooks would be awesome.
@LimerickJim8 ай бұрын
Keeble decided to give John Gramaticus an American accent in the audiobooks. Some of the accents he gives seems to just be him trying to find a new unique voice for a character. In Mortis he gives a titan princeps a Belfast accent for no particular reason. For Jonny G I think he's trying to anchor our perception of John as someone from our time that is still alive in M31 by giving him an accent that is unusual in 40k but evokes a sense of the common man to an English language media consumer.
@stevendibble57398 ай бұрын
One of the best books of the series. The scene where Slau Dha steps through the reflecting puddle is tops
@hero4life158 ай бұрын
Ive been waiting for this ! Love to hear Miras perspectives as a new reader and new to the genre/lore!
@misterjones72488 ай бұрын
i really enjoyed this book, it felt like a return to form in the series
@dr_wilko9 ай бұрын
John Grammaticus definitely has an American accent in the audiobooks. There are a few other characters voiced the same way and I always like to think they are, in fact, John but in full on spy mode
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
Grammaticus is a logokine so he would naturally choose the most common English accent... which is probably Indian.
@BM-is5ei8 ай бұрын
@@glandhoundeh what?
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
@@BM-is5ei Logokines can speak any and every accent of any and every language. India is the most populous country that has English as it's official language, most old English empire countries have kept it as a part of their national identity. You could make the argument that most of the English speakers in the world live in the US, however it's impossible to say which part of these people are native english speakers.
@BM-is5ei8 ай бұрын
@@glandhound i know what he is but what you are saying doesn't make any sense.
@listmanguy8 ай бұрын
Oh wow, I just started this one yesterday. I'll try and finish it as fast as I can so I can come back and watch this video.
@DomoKuchikan5 ай бұрын
Thanks to your review i started listening to the audiobook. 1 hour in and i'm loving it! It reminds me of another book with a human tank crew with a cool veteran who was praying to a made up godess of war. Maybe Valdor - Birth of the Imperium.
@CygnusMaximusXIII8 ай бұрын
Uxor is a real word - it's just not English. It's Latin for "wife". Also, one piece of lore that existed for the Alpha Legion before this book was written that Ian didn't mention is that their battle cry as Chaos Space Marines in the 40k setting is "For the Emperor," which is probably why Dan Abnett ran with making their actual allegiance very ambiguous. As for the legion's flaw, I think, after this book, it's that their various companies and battlegroups are so autonomous that they're not really a cohesive legion at all - they're basically multiple splinter legions who aren't necessarily working toward the same goals. But maybe... they're not.
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
Hydra Dominatus
@robodinosaurs8 ай бұрын
Man i’ve never read a 40k book properly other than listening to the audio book version of the infinite and divine. But the way you break these books down is dope.
@shmeeeeeep87977 ай бұрын
I really really enjoyed this. Thank you so much. I’m going to go back and listen to all the book reports.
@thompsonsj648 ай бұрын
The added lore we knew of was their warcry is "For the Emperor" which is seen as being mocking of their enemy but Legion now makes you think is it?
@rawhide3038 ай бұрын
I think in the 4th edition codex, Alpha legion were the only ones that could take cultists. Which would make sense if their units contained so many humans
@chrisjones67928 ай бұрын
It was the seccond 3rd edition ckdex, but you'd be forgiven for thinking it was a 4th edition codex.
@ImrahilToChaos8 ай бұрын
3rd edition, second codex. In 4th edition Chaos Space Marines lost legion rules entirely.
@rawhide3038 ай бұрын
@@ImrahilToChaos that's right. Two codexs in one edition, what a time
@neiladams30428 ай бұрын
Great breakdown! I loved this book and the AL are definitely my favourite Legion. So well written and fleshed out by Dan Abnett (as always). I highly recommend Mike Brooks' Primarch novel Head of the Hydra too, a really great read.
@Dustbinlid18 ай бұрын
In the novel Alpharius mentions that the Geno. 52's way of creating soldiers actually helped to inspire the Emporer's creation of the legions. Personally, I also think it's how Kreig does it, since if they harvested female eggs early on, the women could go on to die for the emporer and not waste their "usefulness".
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
Siege of Vraks pt1 explains that there are no women (no eggs) on Krieg and the Vitae-Wombs are housed in dusty warehouses underneath the planet. The 2022 Krieg novel also explains that all of the Death Korps are clones of Colonel Jurten.... naturally the lore permits one to consider these sources unreliable so your theory is just as good as any other one.
@Yandarval8 ай бұрын
Hauptman is usually translated from German to the rank of Captain in the Army. Uxor, depending on which language root you go for. it generally means wife, woman or mother in law.
@davydatwood31588 ай бұрын
Hetman, on the other hand - which is what Ian and Mira said, I don't know what's actually in the book - is an Eastern European title or position roughly analogous to "Lord Constable" as in the "Lord Constable of France." It was the head of the army in 1500s Poland and used by a few other groups and nations in the area as well. There is debate whether the term originates from the German Huaptman (which at the time, and like the English "Captain," mean anyone in charge of any identifiable group of soldiers) or the Turkish "ataman."
@Yandarval8 ай бұрын
@@davydatwood3158 either could be correct. I guess we both need to read the book.
@ReverendMeat518 ай бұрын
@@Yandarval It's spelled Hetman in the book, and the cover art shows soldiers that look kinda eastern European
@Yandarval8 ай бұрын
@@ReverendMeat51 I shall acquiesce to your explanation.👍
@ReverendMeat518 ай бұрын
@@Yandarval Should still read the book though, it's fun :)
@Gigatoreador8 ай бұрын
Omegon being the leader of the Stealth squad making the brothers giggle and the twins complaint that the claim of the Eldar would be heresy might be the two favourite moments in this novel 🙃
@rchilton9 ай бұрын
John as a tired American from the audiobooks is very much my canon voice for him ❤ especially later
@briochepanda8 ай бұрын
I love nebulously texan John. I also miss midlands farmer Oll, but Jonathan Keeble does a great job of him as a tired old soldier.
@stewroo8 ай бұрын
YES! I love this book. I've been looking forward to this review. Thanks Mira and Ian.
@Hebuspm8 ай бұрын
crazy the amount of stuff Ian can remember. I have read this book aswell last year and the names didnt stuck wtih me what so ever
@albertcapley68947 ай бұрын
Legion was the first 40k (well 30k technically) I read after reading the Eisenhorn books and I basically knew nothing about Astartes in the current timeline, much less any of the legions, and the way Alpha is portrayed is so compelling in this book that it's almost hard to believe they were more of a meme army before the meme really existed. It may seem like an odd story to serve as an introduction to the overall setting, but I still would love to see Legion given big screen treatment, the way it introduces chaos to the knowledge of the imperial perspective is one of the most fascinating things about the story, to me. Like sure the EMP knows about it, but even Alpharius/Omegon describe it as a "strange xenos threat" giving me the impression even the twins had only an entry level understanding of what it could do, at least until the world was consumed by chaos sorcery.
@albertcapley68947 ай бұрын
And also... "For the Emperor!"
@ToTheNines873688 ай бұрын
One of my favorite characters in that book is the lord commander. He’s so pompous and extravagant and way different than the lord commanders in the 40k setting
@brundlefly458 ай бұрын
He even has a sinister feline creature to pet smugly
@davegilden66038 ай бұрын
@@brundlefly45 it's a Thylacine isn't it? Nothing more extravagant than an extinct earth species
@-Gojiro-8 ай бұрын
I was a fan of the Alpha Legion from the primarch book. This book really solidified my love for their whole vibe.
@Onetoo887 ай бұрын
John sounds like Martin Freeman’s character in Black Panther. Someone who is clearly British, but using an American accent. It’s all I pictures whilst listening to it 😂
@ropable8 ай бұрын
One of my favourite-ever HH books. Must reread this some time.
@lucidnonsenseable8 ай бұрын
Honestly when I read this the first time I felt like it was aiming for the tone of an Iain M Banks culture novel
@guusbremer84358 ай бұрын
Legion, a book that showed what Great Crusade/Early Heresy stories could be, before we went fully into the narrow channel of marine-on-marine violence (which, there's plenty of those I like but still, bit of variety wouldn't hurt)
@Taco07188 ай бұрын
Twelve books into the Heresy, and i will say Legion so far has been my favorite.
@HistoritorJimaldus9 ай бұрын
I am Alpharius - that’s how I’m commenting before the video even comes out
@JACKXK8 ай бұрын
You look like Omegon to me
@ismael99148 ай бұрын
As an Alpharius-aproved Alpharius, I, Alpharius, can confirm that you, Alpharius, are indeed, Alpharius.
@patrickstarkey94418 ай бұрын
You too?! I am Alpharius as well.
@boydsinclair76068 ай бұрын
Alright! Hi-five! Oh, sorry. 😅
@I-am_Alpharius8 ай бұрын
I am alpharius
@evanwoodham62968 ай бұрын
Yep this book was astounding
@justbobagian8 ай бұрын
Friday came early, its review time! I love when they get to be in the same room recording these
@acerock0138 ай бұрын
this is probably one of my favorite HH books even though it gets kinda retconned later on, but i love John Grammaticus and Johnathan Keeble's "American" accent for him is so charming. Whenever I hear him speak in Grammaticus' voice I always think it's funny that he sounds vaguely like what a Brit thinks a New Yorker sounds like. Also Uxor is the Latin word for "wife" and Hetman sounds like a reference to the German rank "Hauptman" and the Geno 5-2 Chiliad were genenhanced soldiers who fight in a sort of pike and shot formation.
@jessesosh70528 ай бұрын
In this world where everything has gone mad watching Lore Master Ian walk the lovely Mira through the 40K universe has become one of my life's simple pleasures.
@jesterprince49495 ай бұрын
Easily my favourite book in the series. Only Scars comes close for me. I own a huge army of Alpha Legion now due to this book.
@johnlander22198 ай бұрын
I’m always so pleasantly surprised by these! Great stuff. ❤
@alejandrorp51608 ай бұрын
Love to match Abnett's love for complex conspiracies and plans... and Malcador's final remarks on plans and life in TEATD III. You could even consider he's reflecting on his career and as a BL writer there.
@mojotheaverage8 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this book. As a teenager I read this when it came out and Alpha Legion became by far my favourite legion ever since. Abnett is a genius
@CaptSasquatch6578 ай бұрын
21:18 - “I wonder if any Alpha Legion fans got their brand.” I wasn’t an AL fan till this book and after I finished it I went out and got a tattoo of the hydra on my forearm
@miramanga8 ай бұрын
🎉
@happyharibo13308 ай бұрын
I occurs to me that one of the most unsettling things would be a Space Marine yoga class. Especially the breathing exercises...
@AncientWyrm17758 ай бұрын
My suggestion for the "flaw" of the Alpha Legion would be that their reasonableness and rationality actually prevent them from gaining the insane, brute-force powers that many of the other legions wield. Like, tactics and strategy will only get you so far when faced with the overbearing insanity of legions like the World Eaters or Space Wolves. Ironically, those legions probably would have successfully brought Nurth to compliance by just massacring the Echvehnurth and leveling their city before they could activate the Black Cube. As a real military force, the Alpha Legion and Ultramarines are pretty clearly the best managed, since being well managed is kinda their whole thing. But once you factor in the ancient technology, mystical abilities, and literal superpowers that all the other legions have, I think it balances out fairly well. There's something to like about all of them.
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
They are also really small, even the Primarchs are barely taller than the Marines.
8 ай бұрын
One of the best books I've read in the series. Maybe the best.
@Teukro8 ай бұрын
Fantastic book, so far my fav of the HH (and probably whole Black Library)
@mischiefwargaming8 ай бұрын
The only appropriate way to play Alpha Legion is to play an entirely different army. Then, whether you win or lose, twirl a moustache and say it's all according to plan.
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
I do that with my Orks.
@tibbydudeza8 ай бұрын
Awesome book - wish we had more lore what happened to the Geno 52 Chiliad - somebody noted they fought on Terra during the Horus invasion of Terra on the loyalist side in the "The End And the Death". Amazing world building from the beginning in Book 7 with introducing John Grammaticus, the Cabal,and later Oll Perrson.
@samrobinson5665 ай бұрын
Is it just me, or does anyone else think "Nurth" could be a corruption of Nu-Earth? They've forgotten their heritage, but the original settlers may have named the planet as a "New Earth"? 😊 Also, I love that the book's focus is everything except the Alpha Legion; they're in the background, quietly manipulating events how they wish them to play out... just like the Alpha Legion always try to do. This is one of my favourite HH books, and is Dan Abnett at his absolute peak of writing talent. A must read.
@GooglyEyedSkull8 ай бұрын
...and then reading 'Alpharius' gives this book a whole new spin.
@chandleresplin41228 ай бұрын
I tried to read the whole hours heresy in the past. "Battle for the Abyss" is where I lost steam. Best of luck, I look forward to hearing what you all think of it!
@happyharibo13308 ай бұрын
I have been resisting even touching the Horus Heresy with a 16 foot force pike for a very long time. But these Book Club videos are slowly crumbling my desparate resolve not to go there.....Damn you two!
@Keevanus8 ай бұрын
why you even resiting against this? what is the reason to NOT read the books?
@happyharibo13308 ай бұрын
@@Keevanus 50+ books of grisly grinding pseudo biblical cataclismic horror that makes the entire Old Testament seem like a single light novella? Might just give me a little pause for thought. And this comment is coming from a guy who actually read War and Peace, more or less got it and actually enjoyed it at times...
@woodwost8 ай бұрын
Upside is that you don't/have/ to read all of them - there are lots of mini story arcs throughout that you can dip into whenever you fancy!
@Tardigradico8 ай бұрын
I'm definitely not going to read the HH series, but you're still fun to watch :D
@Vaellas8 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed Legion and after this am going to go back to it again. I do find though that John's voice in the books always felt a bit off, like it didn't quite fit in, which also felt funny with the spy having the most different voice that stuck out like a sore thumb from everyone else.
@louloup23348 ай бұрын
i guess one could say the chiliad isn't chill at all
@mostly_harmless37898 ай бұрын
I don't need to read the Horus Heresy, I just listen to Mira's action movie plot summary
@leakycheese8 ай бұрын
Cool discussion thanks, Legion sits at the table for my 5 favourite heresy novels, Abnett writing at his very best. The idea of writing a book about the Alpha Legion from the perspective of (mainly) outsider non-Astartes was an inspired choice. I've often thought John Grammaticus is Abnett's favourite heresy character based on this book and his many appearances in later novels. I once had chance to ask him in person about Grammaticus and he said one of main narrative purposes of Legion was to set his character up for the series. Also, got to admire Abnett's choice of name for his perpetual Cabal spy; he literally used a name straight out of history, John VII of Constantinople aka John Grammatikos (Grammaticus). Given John's nature in the book, I don't think this choice was based alone on how interesting this name sounds. John is an agent of the Cabal, implacably opposed to the primordial annihilator has more than a passing similarity to Grammatikos' real-life role as a Byzantine Iconoclast, a destroyer of symbols of false religious beliefs.
@mennorach8 ай бұрын
Good to video. I don't play AL, but a friend plays them and talks a lot. I had no idea that the twin thing was invented for Legion. Nice to know now. And yeah, Dan is really good at writing about hyper competent people clashing with other hyper competent people and the chaos that ensues there. The entire HH series seemed to me to be about taking the legions that were jokes and making them cool.
@piotrjeske45998 ай бұрын
Both the title of hetman and uxor was used in eastern europe. A "baszor/basior"/bashor is both a last name and a specific rank of non comissioned officer , used in XVIth-XVIlth century infantry drawn from peasents .today it is an non common last name and the name of villages where such soldiers would be settled after a 20year military service.
@ReverendMeat518 ай бұрын
Are y'all planning to do the short story anthologies? There's a lot of great stuff tucked away in those, I distinctly remember a couple Alpha Legion stories (and the closest we get to a Night Lords book is in an anthology as well)
@stewartthorpe25338 ай бұрын
Yes!!!!!! (That's just how react whenever I see a new book club video with you two has been uploaded)
@dmeep8 ай бұрын
legion , the admech book and the one about the assaination force are my favourite HH books
@rchilton9 ай бұрын
3:24 'Horrible Elf' - but you repeat yourself!
@1989eol2 ай бұрын
Rukhsana and Peto actually survive the Alpha Legion killing spree. I think it is a nice continuity with the "we look after our own" thing. Also makes them les horrible than 90% of all Astartes!
@gindrinkersline32858 ай бұрын
5:14 "Hetman is a political title from Central and Eastern Europe, historically assigned to military commanders (comparable to a field marshal or imperial marshal in the Holy Roman Empire)." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetman
@Elbuarto8 ай бұрын
I'm cracking up every time I see the Legion book cover art. The space marine depicted on it strikes me as a "blinged out gangsta" marine. Something about the pose and the chain (I think??) around the marine's neck...
@chrisjones67928 ай бұрын
Another dub for the Alpha Legion
@Mr_Bunk8 ай бұрын
I’m always weirded out by the fact he’s so obviously in siege-era Mk. VII power armour. The early book covers and ‘Visions of Heresy’ artwork were a strange and magical time, back before the fandom got so anal about specific armour marks belonging _only_ to specific legions at specific times. In the late noughties, the vibe was just ‘so long as it _looks_ older’.
@billybongos9578 ай бұрын
As an American listener, John doesn't really sound like any specific American accent, but that Hugh Laurie as House or Cumberbatch as Dr Strange kinda unplaceable surly mixed with cocky may have been what they were going for. Not sure how old John is, but I chose to interpret it instead as a result of his omni-lingualism, a mish mash resulting in a neutral tones. Come to think of it, I think Oll Persson and Damon Prytanis are voiced similarly, so maybe it's just their way of distinguishing these pre-Imperial Perpetuals.
@RSBurgener7 ай бұрын
The lore before this book was that everything about the Alpha Legion is secret and everything you've ever heard about them is a lie...and it hasn't changed much several novels later!
@HaleysRedComet8 ай бұрын
#1 John Grammaticus fan reporting in
@IKMojito8 ай бұрын
#2 John fan here, love the guy
@12ratsinatrenchcoat7 ай бұрын
#1 John Hater reporting for duty! (Also he’s really great in this book.)
@oleww508 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this one! 🙌❤️
@Thetallestgirrafe8 ай бұрын
Overall I found it a bit disappointing. There are two pitfalls of the Alpha legion I felt it kinda embodied; 1) if they’re so clever and amazing at what they do, it’d be impossible for them to ever fail 2) their acceptance of the cabal feels weird. While Pretorian of Dorn is great as it helps to show up point 1, this book needed to better express the weaknesses of the Alpha legion; displaying plans going wrong, their hubris and the chaotic nature of the universe belying the complex webs they weave. It’s worth mentioning character arcs etc are still good though. It is an Abnett book after all.
@RingStudios8 ай бұрын
Alpha Legion only show up and announce themselves if they WANT you to know.
@kerlyenai8 ай бұрын
Mira's intros are just the best!
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
I think Dan Abnett needs to answer why everyone is always from the Karelia hive. (John Grammaticus, Kasper Hawser, The Emperor himself). I've heard that this is somehow related to Graham McNeill's taste in music. I bet there's a story related to it and Warhammer Santa needs to deliver the answer!
@johnmckiernan21768 ай бұрын
Warhammer Lapland/Karelia Hive is obviously where Warhammer Santa lives. Question answered.
@nicholasadlam20268 ай бұрын
The big E is from Anatolia Hive isn’t he? Not Karelia
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
I think Grammaticus met E in Anatolia Hive, which is where John also died the first time. John might have mentioned being born in Karelia, but I'm not really sure about that one either. Even Kaspar Hawser is only mentioned having worked in Karelia hive at Aleksanterinkatu something... which is also the most common street name in Finland. A lot of the world have Alex streets of them own seeing it's Alexander the Great where it gets it's name from. Alexander the Great is also whom the Emperor is named as by Horus in The End and the Death. The book Mechanicus mentions E riding into town with a pale horse and Master of Mankind mentions E being a kid way before any sort of writing was a thing. It's probably safe to say a lot of people are from a lot of places, but a lot of them also have the Karelia hive in common.... and after breaking the fourth wall, it's at least partially because Graham McNeill likes/liked Finnish metal. As a closet finn, I just wanted Abnett to talk about Finland. :)
@Madclaw40k8 ай бұрын
"Legion" is dedicated to my son Jack.
@alphacypher70997 ай бұрын
I needed this video lol. I love the Alpha Legion if you can't tell. but even I struggled to fallow the events of this book.
@84jesterx8 ай бұрын
One of my personal favorites. Made me rethink that the whole Alpharius/Omegon playing the long game of 4D Chess rumor might actually be a real thing for 40k. I think my next close second favorite for Dan Abnett's world building is Titanicus. He made the denizens of that world feel believable while massive ravaging God Machines were fighting in the background...at the same time making Titans and their crews have so much personality. These two books (and Gaunt's Ghosts) were horrible for my wallet lol!
@HistoritorJimaldus8 ай бұрын
Mira just read Titanicus too :)
@alejandrorp51608 ай бұрын
The recent Harrowmaster book by Brooks really does feel Alpha Legion-y. They do explore the plans-within-plans 'flaw'.
@merci_ann8 ай бұрын
Since there hasn't been updates to bastard scale, I'm posting it as it were. Waiting for the next one gang! Lucius - 27 Fabius - "blown up the scale"/ contested by Ian Erebus - 12 The Lion - 9 Bequa - 9 Fulgrim - 8.5 Julius - 6 Marius - 5.5 Solomon - 3 Everyone else in Descent of Angels - 3 Iacton Cruze - 1 If I missed smth, as always - let me know
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
Eidolon. I'm assuming this list doesn't account all of HH since there are a few night lords missing. It should change after book #34. Fabius is actually a good guy in 40k, but I guess his goodness only comes out after the HH.
@merci_ann8 ай бұрын
@@glandhound was eidolon rated by Mira so far? What rating did he get?
@glandhound8 ай бұрын
@@merci_ann I have no idea, I'm not part of the (not so secret) club. Eidolon got into my craplist because as a commander he kept stealing the credit from his underlings in Horus Rising. One of the redeeming features of Fabius is that at one point he keeps a still living, severed head of Eidolon in a cupboard just to mess with him. Without Fabius, Garro also would have died at Istvaan and the flight of the eisenstein would have been a lot shorter without him.
@merci_ann7 ай бұрын
@@glandhound eeem okay. The list is made to keep track of list of people that Mira and Ian mention. They didn't mention Eidolon so he's not on the list
@MikeH898 ай бұрын
Always loved the alpha Legion with their plans within plans. Finding out that they might have cultivated that rep in order to throw people off is even better. So that's plans within plans adjacent to plans within plans 😅
@jordan1991r8 ай бұрын
I found this one really hard to read. So many new names, places, roles etc and it was a bit overloaded throughout which made it hard to read. Also it’s really fun that I’m reading these along with you guys, my first read at the same time
@DrDiHai8 ай бұрын
I always thought Grammaticus has an unusual accent compared to the others to show how old he really is, so his (internal) language is different from those born millenia after him. Though the other perpetuals don't do that as much.