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The Cynical Historian

The Cynical Historian

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@juckoosaurus
@juckoosaurus 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad a movie like this has been made in 2018 I don't want a story to be watered down and preachy
@namirxia3308
@namirxia3308 6 жыл бұрын
DarkSendo94 Yeah, I didn’t know all that much going into the theatre, but came out loving the film.
@Jared_Wignall
@Jared_Wignall 4 жыл бұрын
*2017
@leftymcnally6913
@leftymcnally6913 6 жыл бұрын
Just watched this last night. Absolutely loved it. Going into it, everyone told me it was boring because of the lack of action, but that's to be expected from some people
@leftymcnally6913
@leftymcnally6913 3 жыл бұрын
@B. Tacktheritrix Master and Commander is one of my favorite films of All Time!!!
@joegarciasog2221
@joegarciasog2221 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome movie
@BreckTaxi
@BreckTaxi Жыл бұрын
I didn't watch "In The Heart of the Sea" on the big screen because a young person told me it was boring. Unless a movie is full of explosions and CG scenes most people won't like it. I don't put much stock in what people say.
@tylerthompson1842
@tylerthompson1842 10 ай бұрын
To me it was just realistic not boring refreshing
@SakuraFruitTube
@SakuraFruitTube 19 күн бұрын
Are you serious? There is so much action!!!!
@warriorlink8612
@warriorlink8612 6 жыл бұрын
This movie is really dark, and sometimes hard to watch. It's scary, but not because of the blood or battle, but because of how accurately it portrays raw visceral hate. It has its redeeming moments, and while full of tragedy, it is also spotted with hope. I like how they told the story, and set you up not for cheering for one side, but cheering for overcoming hate with friendship.
@lucapachee9863
@lucapachee9863 5 жыл бұрын
I loved the message of overcoming hate with friendship. I thought it was a beautiful message that's very relevant today.
@TensileStrength
@TensileStrength 6 жыл бұрын
I hadn't heard of this movie, but now I really want to see it. Any film involving Native Americans has such a strong tendency to rebel against racism and silly cowboys and Indians stereotypes that they oversimplify the events. They make one side look like innocent and noble people victimized by a cartoon villain. Any movie that portrays each side as having valid reasons to hate the other would not only be more accurate, it would make a film feel rich and fresh.
@blaydeesy2005
@blaydeesy2005 6 жыл бұрын
TensileStrength excellent movie
@TheF22Craft
@TheF22Craft 5 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend "dances with wolves"
@matt7iron
@matt7iron 3 жыл бұрын
Im late to the party but i just rented this at my library and it was kinda slow but it kept me mesmerised and intrested in whats gonna happen, wes Studi is a good Indian actor, they should of put him in fear of the walking dead with the other Indian guy named Walker, that would of been a good paring.
@sskoog
@sskoog 3 жыл бұрын
I put at seventy percent 3:10 to Yuma, thirty percent Last Samurai. Maybe that's too cute a one-line summary, but it truly is an incredible film. Builds slowly.
@navajoguy8102
@navajoguy8102 3 жыл бұрын
Always amusing when White people find a movie or book about the ethnic cleansing of the West "balanced".
@adityaganjoomech
@adityaganjoomech Жыл бұрын
"Understanding hate"... these were the words I was struggling to find to describe this movie. Great video. Fantastic movie!
@MsBlonde0000
@MsBlonde0000 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think this movie is about overcoming hate per se. I think that for Bale's character hate was the only feeling he had inside of him he could hold on to. He had nothing else. And once he met the woman, saw her grief and her vulnerability, that hate was pretty quickly replaced by love.
@JamesSmith-ih2cx
@JamesSmith-ih2cx 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a very interesting take. I hadn't thought of it in that way before.
@jony4real
@jony4real 6 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about this, and I just came up with an idea of why they set this movie in the 1890s instead of the 1880s or 1870s where the events would make more sense. I think they wanted to set the movie "after" the Indian Wars, which a lot of people see as ending with the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890. Both Yellowhawk and Christian Bale's character are old, at the end of their military careers and are getting ready to leave their violent pasts behind them. Setting it in the 1890s meant all the Easterners in the movie who were arguing for better treatment of Native Americans had a leg to stand on, since whites were now in control and pretty much all tribes were on reservations. The movie, if I'm right, was trying to build a bridge between the violent 19th century and the modern West.
@ursulakweddings4968
@ursulakweddings4968 4 жыл бұрын
I suspect the only reason they set the movie so late in the century was so they could reference Wounded Knee, which happened in 1890. The conversation Joseph has with the prisoner about this is integral to his character development and our realization of what crimes he has actually committed. I missed this the first time watching, I thought the movie was taking place in the 1870s and was surprised when I realized it was not. Having said that, I've never been so riveted to a film. I honestly had an experience like no other watching this story unfold.
@ycandrewsen8851
@ycandrewsen8851 6 жыл бұрын
Oh I'm so happy. Once again you've done one of the few films I've had time to watch (once again on a plane) in the last few months. I really enjoyed this film (despite having a bit of head-scratching from the historical issues) and I always enjoy your videos! I think you've nailed it again: a film about a broader theme that is easier for an audience to grasp and come to terms with if it's 100+ years removed from our current internal battles.
@ashikmd.rashid6284
@ashikmd.rashid6284 6 жыл бұрын
Seen it. Absolutely gripping(direction) & breath taking(cinematography). 1 of the most plausible westerns in years. Couldn't help but shed a tear.
@MartinWenzelYT
@MartinWenzelYT 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, I need to see this movie. I'm always happy, as a novice historian, when the story of the Europeans meeting and coming into conflict with the Native Americans isn't just white people are bad and evil, something which is sort of displayed in Dances With Wolves (but that also comes down totally to the main character's perspective). Understanding to point of view being displayed and WHY that person within the movie has that view, historically, makes for a good "history" film. Nothing worse than attributing our morality onto the characters of the past.
@cristerowarrior1450
@cristerowarrior1450 6 жыл бұрын
It’s good to hear someone finally admit that Hate comes from knowledge not ignorance. To call a bigot ignorant just dismisses the fierceness of it
@Delta-es1lg
@Delta-es1lg 6 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Hate can come from both knowledge and ignorance. There is the deep hatred that comes from knowing what the other party has done/will do to you and your people, and there is the irrational hatred people feel to what they simply do not understand.
@mkvenner2
@mkvenner2 6 жыл бұрын
Knowledge unfortunately can be built on false assumptions and lies.
@GRAFFDEMON
@GRAFFDEMON 6 жыл бұрын
I've definately seen uneducated racists as well as educated ones.
@cristerowarrior1450
@cristerowarrior1450 5 жыл бұрын
It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with knowing the people. Living, working and shopping at the same stores as them. I have seen too many Hispanics and Whites who had black friends as teenagers then after working in warehouses, factories or even spending time in prison wind up Hating black people. They will meet a few that they like but they will always say something like “I don’t want to date my sisters or daughters and I don’t even like seeing them. Having lived in Chicago and the Chicagoland area and being of Irish, Arab and Latino background I can tell you that Black people in general don’t like non-blacks. The Black hatred toward Hispanics is growing. Live in a working class neighborhood and work a low skilled job you will find that humans are a tribal species
@cybersmith_videos
@cybersmith_videos 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say it's broader than that. Hatred is an aspect of human nature, and it can be triggered by ignorance or knowledge, depending on the circumstances.
@bostownent4816
@bostownent4816 2 жыл бұрын
As a 7/8 yr old kid, I never could understand why my Dad loved Westerns so much. Movies like Hostiles have since answered that question.
@mwduck
@mwduck 3 жыл бұрын
In the opening scene, the colonel mentions the "Department of the Army." Which didn't exist until 1947.
@gallantcavalier3306
@gallantcavalier3306 6 жыл бұрын
My hat is off to you cypher, a short yet brilliant review, I agree, timing on the date could be better, but if we just take that away and change it to 1882, it makes it so much better.
@SMERSH_BERSH
@SMERSH_BERSH 6 жыл бұрын
hopefully, with that idea, we can finally make a decent Spanish civil war film that doesn't glamorize either side but to understand why they hated the other side.
@MrMurica
@MrMurica 6 жыл бұрын
310 to yuma is a pretty good western
@martijnstuart95
@martijnstuart95 5 жыл бұрын
Also stars Christian Bale and Ben Foster
@Jared_Wignall
@Jared_Wignall 4 жыл бұрын
That it was. Both 3:10 to Yuma and Hostiles are excellent. Seems like Bale and Foster in a western together is a sign the film has a level of greatness to it.
@seneth95
@seneth95 4 жыл бұрын
If you like 3:10 to Yuma, I’d recommend Appaloosa with Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen.
@agilalawin1584
@agilalawin1584 2 жыл бұрын
This movie is one of the best Western film Ive seen. It is a great period film but underrated and biasedly snubbed by the Oscars. Every moviefans who loves period films should watch it.
@praxagorathesmophoria
@praxagorathesmophoria 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the reasons why I love the John Ford/John Wayne Trilogy so much. Rio Grande, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, and Fort Apache do a great job of showing the complexities of human interactions.
@romainreuter9604
@romainreuter9604 4 жыл бұрын
I said right after seeing that movie for the first time, that a comanche attack in 1892 would have been highly unlikely. Because the Comanche were locked up in the Fort Sill Reservation in Oklahoma since 1875 and heavily guarded. Showing hostile Comanches in a movie set in the 1890s is unprofessional and unhistorical.
@StewartFletcher
@StewartFletcher 6 жыл бұрын
I loved this movie for the same reason I loved Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. They're two movies that couldn't be more socially relevant but they do it in a politically incorrect way. One movie shows racist cops become heroes. The other shows Natives as savages. But they both show the flip side, they both show that we can overcome hate and that hate isn't what defines us
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 6 жыл бұрын
It seems like there are at least a handful of movies set in the Old West which are viewing the violence, prejudice, etc through a less favorable lens than classic Westerns. Old Westerns are defined as much by their implied attitude towards the West as the setting itself, so I find this interesting. I wonder if this trend will catch on enough to deserve its own subgenre...
@cutecollie3604
@cutecollie3604 6 жыл бұрын
I'd suggest you doing films like Stalin (1992), The Great Escape (1963), Battle of the Bulge (1965) or Elizabeth (1998).
@deliriumbee4678
@deliriumbee4678 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what kind of rasism that girl lived after he free them 😢
@jfw091
@jfw091 6 жыл бұрын
Many people do refer to Star wars as a space Western, and thinking there needs to be a desert or sand to be a western is kind of silly, what's more important the plot, characters, development, tropes, and iconic visual style, or sand. You've got your definition of what a true western is, that's all good we all have our own definition systems, I just think it's literally pointless to seperate things out like that, no no this is a true western because I think it fits more in the category i created while watching westerns as a 8 year old, and that one doesn't because it tried new things. but your review, moving forward lol
@DammitBobby
@DammitBobby 6 жыл бұрын
I really wanna watch this now
@eldorados_lost_searcher
@eldorados_lost_searcher 6 жыл бұрын
TheGerthax Be warned, it's a long one.
@gungriffen
@gungriffen 4 жыл бұрын
It's on Netflix if you haven't yet.
@lordskunk5912
@lordskunk5912 3 жыл бұрын
It's still on netflix
@sskoog
@sskoog 3 жыл бұрын
I put at seventy percent 3:10 to Yuma, thirty percent Last Samurai. Maybe that's too cute a one-line summary, but it truly is an incredible film. Builds slowly.
@thiccboss4780
@thiccboss4780 6 жыл бұрын
this was a great analysis , seems you loved the film as much as LSOO in his Hostiles and Wind River: Bound by Sorrow video. guess i should watch them once i'm ready with my western homework
@pmhops77
@pmhops77 6 жыл бұрын
I recently found your channel after watching "Darkest Hour". I wanted to find out if it was accurate or not (I was horribly disappointed to find out the subway scene was not real lol). I've watched a bunch of your BoaTS series. I was disappointed to not find 42. I was very interested in the movie because I love historical baseball movies, but have not yet seen it because I've feared it would be a racial propaganda piece rather than a historical movie. Would love to see you do 42 to decide if it's worth watching...
@charlesmiller6281
@charlesmiller6281 Жыл бұрын
Saw it recently. One of the best, most powerful and meaningful movies in years.
@sooners765
@sooners765 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best movies I've seen in years.
@excelisfun
@excelisfun 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Have to go and watch it.
@maiidegeese5052
@maiidegeese5052 6 жыл бұрын
As far as text books are concerned, in my experience at least, Indigenous peoples didn't come into existence until the Trail of Tears, and the rest of them were killed at Wounded Knee. Then it about ends. Maybe the big skirmishes stopped in the 1880s but there were still some fires from the Indian Wars that were smoldering. That scene for example would have made sense in Colorado or Utah when there were still raids on ranches by young Ute Indians. There was even a "1913 Navajo War", which honestly though sounds way more bloodier than it actually was. Basically, religious zealot Indian Agent kicks a hornet nest, and the army is begrudgingly sent in.
@blakeb106
@blakeb106 6 жыл бұрын
Can you review Midway (1976)? It’s major innacuracies come from the stock footage they had to use due to budget. However the way they show the planning and reconnisaince (yeah, I can’t spell), I hear is pretty spot on. It’s got some great performances from some great actors and is in my opinion one of the last Great War spice of its time.
@JeffreyDeCristofaro
@JeffreyDeCristofaro 3 жыл бұрын
"Look, I fixed your movie." Can't help but feel that's pretty much what you've done with each review.
@pi8869
@pi8869 5 жыл бұрын
Overcoming hate is what makes this country great.
@reggieclark3266
@reggieclark3266 2 жыл бұрын
Yo Troop. Geronimo was held at Fort Sill Oklahoma! I did basic training at Fort Sill and photos of Geronimo and the Guardhouse were all over the Fort to be seen.
@ElCrab
@ElCrab 4 жыл бұрын
A bit late to this, but my take on the inclusion of each episode of violence was to encapsulate the history of the US Army on the frontier and even back east. Each conflict they deal with is essentially a microcosm of their duties: fighting Indians, policing the expansion of the lands (and often evicting treaty violators, as in the Black Hills after the 1874 expedition confirmed the presence of gold), dealing with the KKK in the South, and ultimately being asked to also deal with Indian outbreaks and the overall Indian question. The ending points to a bit of that conundrum, both in finding a place for the Indians now that the war is over ((literally and figuratively), and what someone like Captain Blocker will do now that he has no enemies left. It also captures the makeup of the Army in microscale: battle-hardened officers (one commissioned and one an NCO), a fresh West Pointer, a black trooper, and an immigrant recruit. This would not be accurate as a unit due to segregation, but it truly makes up a cross-section of the frontier US Army. Later we find examples of their struggle with PTSD and alcohol, boredom, etc, intermixed with brief moments of excitement and terror from conflict. The screenwriter died long before this script was found in a drawer and sold, so we don’t have the benefit of asking him about these things, but as someone who has read and studied the Indians Wars era for three decades, that was my take on the seemingly anachronistic construction and events of this movie.
@gallantcavalier3306
@gallantcavalier3306 2 жыл бұрын
YES!!!! YES!!!!!!! This comment is gold, because it checks the boxes of everything this movie did right, historically and narratively. Excellent observation and excellent takeaway, outstanding!
@paxwallacejazz
@paxwallacejazz 4 жыл бұрын
Hey he gets on the train at the end. That qualifies as a happy ending doesn't it?
@royblekman8186
@royblekman8186 6 жыл бұрын
Would you like to do a review on the movie Catch Me If You Can (2002)?
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, Cipher, excellent video as usual! I'd like to know what you think of the film "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" and the events that it's supposed to cover - the battle, and resultant massacre, of the Acqui Division on the Greek island of Cephalonia during the Second World War. It's an episode of the war that's gone virtually unknown to the world outside of the areas it affected and those who partook in the events so I was very surprised it was chosen as the basis for a major motion picture, though it is one of the largest single massacres of POWs during the war and also one of the more tragic instances of 'friendly-fire'. I don't mean for you to actually make a video on it or anything, I'd just like to know if you've seen it and what your thoughts happened to be on the film's direction and the source material. :)
@chrais78
@chrais78 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, definitely want to watch the film.
@RC--ji2ov
@RC--ji2ov 6 жыл бұрын
Yay another based on a true stories!
@111oooo
@111oooo 4 жыл бұрын
Seen Hostiles a few times, really good movie
@celticmagiclad9928
@celticmagiclad9928 4 жыл бұрын
Loved this movie, watched it when it came out. Best western of this decade
@901Cardinal
@901Cardinal 6 жыл бұрын
This film and Wind River are the only two films in the last decade to handle the discussion of the treatment of the American Indians beautifully. Not as some firebrand political message. Not at all but showing us the human condition, that we are all flawed, we make mistakes, we can over come hate and that some things sadly cannot be forgiven. However we can learn from it and make sure it never happens again in history. And also realize the harsh reality that modern America wouldn’t exist without the terrible bloodshed. Many would try and justify it but rather I think as Americans we should instead have that uneasy feeling motivate us to preserve the legacy of Native History. So it never fades away. Dancing with Wolves was the first movie to show this. (Edit) I am no way justifying the violence at all. Rather I am expressing the elephant in the room, the ugly truth that this country wasn’t just given to us. No way around it and no one to justify the conflicts regardless of who one thinks was innocent from the start. Given that history at times can at times be difficult to comprehend or discuss.
@hg077
@hg077 5 жыл бұрын
John .F amen
@hg077
@hg077 5 жыл бұрын
tonywords it is but the message they both cast are really ignored when it’s been trying to catch attention for years which is why I love it. Especially hostiles. I’m not afraid to admit that my ancestors weren’t always the victims but that’s how it was in the wild west
@The_Greedy_Orphan
@The_Greedy_Orphan 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review,I'll be looking out for this film in the UK.
@Jared_Wignall
@Jared_Wignall Жыл бұрын
Great film. Defiantly underrated and overlooked. Christian Bale should have been nominated for an Academy Award.
@gungriffen
@gungriffen 4 жыл бұрын
I've really enjoyed this film. I saw it I guess as the "Modern Frontier Myth" To often in recent years has the West been presented as white people casually conquering the west in leisure when in reality it was an uphill battle against a determined enemy and general territory. Once you left the fort walls everything, everyone, and including the terrains itself from flat baron deserts to tundra style mountain tops including the wild life was Hostile.
@MelvinWillikers
@MelvinWillikers 6 жыл бұрын
why didn't they leave the date and place vague.
@DrJacquesCOULARDEAU
@DrJacquesCOULARDEAU 6 жыл бұрын
Surviving after a genocide medium.com/@JacquesCoulardeau/surviving-after-a-genocide-8ed249186f58 SCOTT COOPER - HOSTILES - 2017 This film is thus a call for stepping over past divides, past hatred, past hostilities, past conflicts and building a new world of harmony, discussion, exchange, and togetherness. We can today pull down the mental and psychological walls we have built between the various ethnic groups and cultural communities in our societies.
@TUCOtheratt
@TUCOtheratt 4 жыл бұрын
The 1892 thing bugged me a lot too. Should have been 1882
@joeporter4616
@joeporter4616 2 жыл бұрын
Dude has PTSD, every character in the film is or was him at one time. He's dying the West is dying and he is reviewing his life and actions as he too, is dying.
@Nickmusimiecconajmniej3znaki
@Nickmusimiecconajmniej3znaki 3 жыл бұрын
About the year of action - I think it meant to be kind of symbolic, as it's placed 2 years after the year of 1890, which is vastly treated as the date of "the end of Indian Wars" in the USA.
@shoddyworkmanship4934
@shoddyworkmanship4934 6 жыл бұрын
Did you see, and what did you think of, the Adam Ruins Everything about westerns?
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty dumb and unnuanced. The history ones of that show were often fairly bad
@golgarisoul
@golgarisoul 6 жыл бұрын
Damn. I started to tear up from those closing words.
@inthemomenttomoment
@inthemomenttomoment 3 жыл бұрын
Red & White loving each other is like a Pink Ponderosa in an authentic Red White & Blues Paradise.🇺🇸🌞👁️🐣💃✌️💗
@nomadicle6867
@nomadicle6867 6 жыл бұрын
The native kid had no emotion
@hg077
@hg077 5 жыл бұрын
Big Franku dude that’s how it was back then. Kids nowadays grow up with a conflictive family and supposedly have “ptsd”. back then, native children and settlers children could lose their whole family in one raid or battle and they were expected to just move on.
@papigrande4378
@papigrande4378 6 жыл бұрын
If a movie is set in the old west then it's a western. Star Wars is a western set in outer space.
@DanielA-pq8vv
@DanielA-pq8vv 6 жыл бұрын
Have you read War of a Thousand Deserts by Brian Delay? I'm curious on your take in this book and would like to know if you would make more videos based on the Borderlands scholarship. It's rich but I'm having difficult to define Borderlands in such a way it makes sense to me. Thank you!
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
I have it on the shelf (digitally), but haven't read it. I was going to use it for a paper I wrote, but the index didn't have what I wanted. Just one of many borderlands books, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll talk about borderlands history, but it is a weird subject to summarize in 10-20 minutes
@DanielA-pq8vv
@DanielA-pq8vv 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your reply. I love your videos and hope to see more of your work. Cheers, m8.
@navajoguy8102
@navajoguy8102 3 жыл бұрын
A movie that captures more or less the sense of entitlement that settlers had at the end. Family stories of natives often talk about how hostile whites were to those who wondered off rez.
@johnkapp849
@johnkapp849 6 жыл бұрын
Everything is a Western. The Western doesn't depend on setting, it depends on if the film is beholden to the Frontier Narrative of FJT.
@jamesbrown6020
@jamesbrown6020 Жыл бұрын
3:10 to Yuma was after open rang i think and it was a pretty proper western, id also argue dead wood counts even though its an hbo show
@antiochusiiithegreat7721
@antiochusiiithegreat7721 6 жыл бұрын
Nice review man. It's funny I live a walk away from a native massacre called the "Allen family massacre". They were iroquois I believe part of the british army making their way to Saratoga.
@Besidjuu
@Besidjuu 3 жыл бұрын
It was really nice to see Ben Foster and Christian Bale together in a film like this. 3:10 to Yuma vibes
@EllieDoesStuff-ii8zb
@EllieDoesStuff-ii8zb 4 жыл бұрын
i’ve seen this film. it’s very dark and disturbing, but the message is powerful and i really recommend it
@jake2557
@jake2557 6 жыл бұрын
You could review a movie called 'Their finest' it's based in the 1940s about a film production making a "based on a true story" I've watched a few of your videos and I believe this movie is perfect for you to review because it shows why they change accurate things to make the movie "better" so they say.
@russsnyder2026
@russsnyder2026 6 жыл бұрын
You didn’t care for Appaloosa?
@lepolder
@lepolder 3 жыл бұрын
A perfectly great review for a perfectly great movie.
@redcoatgaming4141
@redcoatgaming4141 6 жыл бұрын
As a fan of spaghetti westerns is there any other westerns you will recommend?
@itzdono
@itzdono 6 жыл бұрын
Could you please do Red Dead Redemption? If you're not a gamer, you could watch someone's play-through like Many a True Nerd. You said you love westerns & there is a sequel coming up.
@leathery420
@leathery420 6 жыл бұрын
When ever I think of the over arching plot of that game it always screams The Wild Bunch to me. An ex gunslinger in the dying west (1911) is hired by some government/railroad officials to hunt down his old running mates who are trying to retire before they got the way of the gunslinger/cowboy. They rob a bank/rail road office in a set up, and then decide to cross the border into mexico where they are embroiled in the civil war. They end up working between sides and finally meet up with their old friend who has been working on tracking them down since the ambush back in the states. Really I love that movie, and in a way I feel it shares somewhat the same message as Hostiles, though with an even darker evil that men/hearts of darkness vibe. Though hostiles is much more about trying to understand it. The Wild Bunch is more of unflinching violence that wasn't super common at the time. Well Sam Peckinpah's films for the most part were hit or miss he definitely has several decent films that were influential in their depiction of violence in film. Dude was fucking crazy though he is supposed to have fired a revolver loaded with live ammo into a wall on set one day. he supposedly did in a drunken rage over his frustration of his crews apparent inability at capturing the gunfire and smoke on tape. Exclaiming something like "Is it really this fucking hard!?!?!"
@hg077
@hg077 5 жыл бұрын
leathery420 that first paragraph coulda been GTA 5 lmao
@Alex-oy6wb
@Alex-oy6wb Жыл бұрын
0:48 “we haven’t seen a proper epic western since Open Range” Wth? Guess I don’t see why Open Range is such a great Western. Hope you do a video on it. Now, Unforgiven, is a great movie. Maybe do a video on that.
@darrenmcg97
@darrenmcg97 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic film I can't understand why it was filmed in 1891' all the same really well acted
@Baamthe25th
@Baamthe25th 6 жыл бұрын
I had troubles with that one right from the openning scene : The father could have survived if didn't go and actually aimed. Emotional, sure, but kinda dumb... Same for the character dying one by one, predictibly too, made it feel far too heavy handed for me.
@josevelazco3813
@josevelazco3813 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, I love your reviews and your content regarding Americans history. Keep up the good work. Can you do all the US presidents? Both the positives and their sinful negatives!! Perhaps senators of the past that had profound impacts in the US of their times. I love learning American history but sometimes CSU chico doesn’t give me the all American burger of history they give me the American French fries with each piece but liberalized content
@ehrldawg
@ehrldawg 6 жыл бұрын
I wasn't gonna watch this movie. But because of your psudo positive endorsement,Ill watch it this weekend.
@justsomebloke621
@justsomebloke621 5 жыл бұрын
They weren't slavers, they were fur trappers.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын
It's not one or the other. They can be both, as many really were. In the film they specifically state their goals as well, so i don't know why you're saying otherwise
@justsomebloke621
@justsomebloke621 5 жыл бұрын
@@CynicalHistorian because in the movie when the chief's son picks up the trail he says to the group in the Cheyanne language, "Fur hunters. Three of them." I'm not denying what they intended to do with the woman or if historically some fur traders kidnapped woman for pleasure. I'm just saying in the movie they called them fur hunters. That's why I said it.
@kylez8010
@kylez8010 6 жыл бұрын
Have you read Three Years Among the Comanches by Nelson Lee? I returned it to the library last year after seeing that i can read it online, but still haven't got back to it yet.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
The Comanche history I've read is Pekka Haimalainan's Comanche Empire. It's linked in the description and quite a good read
@ThomasK96
@ThomasK96 6 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend the Disney movie Savage Sam to see a character that truly understands hate.
@j.b.booker7912
@j.b.booker7912 6 жыл бұрын
Cleavon Little holding it in and Gene Wilder noticing it is the best
@ronduff4325
@ronduff4325 3 жыл бұрын
Seen it when it first came out . Great Movie , classic !
@kingofthefleetians
@kingofthefleetians 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly one of my favourite movies
@jfarinacci0329
@jfarinacci0329 2 жыл бұрын
good review. thank you.
@cliffboddy890
@cliffboddy890 6 жыл бұрын
Love the Blazing Saddles clip!
@orangypteco8858
@orangypteco8858 6 жыл бұрын
You ever seen Chicogrande??? It's a Mexican movie but it's based on the largely forgotten Punitive Expedition.
@beawesley5834
@beawesley5834 4 жыл бұрын
Just watched this....bloody brilliant!
@scottishbutamerican4498
@scottishbutamerican4498 4 жыл бұрын
Hostiles was not based on a true story. It was based on events that often happened. All characters are made up and the plot is made up. But stuff like this actually happened. Thought I’d put that out there
@BifronsCandle
@BifronsCandle 6 жыл бұрын
I dislike the attempt to bring "Both Sides" into the Western narrative. Yes, we get it, the natives (or rather, native tribes) committed atrocities against white settlers, and were just as much gripped by hatred. But trying to draw some equivalence in an unequal situation between two arbitrary parties is silly. I also find the comparisons to certain modern day "struggles" to be a bit trite. That said, I think your point about "hate != ignorance" is a strong one. Hate is rooted in rationalization of the facts around you, that may or may not be correct. I also appreciate how there are films that are far removed from the more whitewashed, utopian view of natives I've seen in some films.
@hg077
@hg077 5 жыл бұрын
SlyBiffrons I like this comment, many people think it’s pretty equal but yet aren’t exactly aware about the entire situation with native Americans today. Like “oh yeah those natives that you put on reservations over a century ago? They’re still there, and they’re all dying off slowly from alcoholism, murder, rape, drugs, and suicide, y’know, thanks to the government” lol
@ERICWAGNERSLUCID
@ERICWAGNERSLUCID 6 жыл бұрын
Started out good. Loved the pace. Second half was completely "impossible" to believe, "contrived" . Christian Bale was great! The historical inaccuracy was intolerable, as was the plot! Hollywood, stifled by "feminism" and political correctness, is no longer capable of making a watchable movie... BIG hocker on this one
@georgebeech-bank
@georgebeech-bank 6 жыл бұрын
This was one of the best movies last year and it didn’t get nominated for anything.
@lucapachee9863
@lucapachee9863 5 жыл бұрын
Coulda swore it was brushed under the rug.
@StewartFletcher
@StewartFletcher 6 жыл бұрын
What about 2011 True Grit?
@airmackeeee6792
@airmackeeee6792 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Cypher, ever considered doing a review on Generation Kill?
@rateeightx
@rateeightx 6 жыл бұрын
Can You Do A Video On "The Zookeeper's Wife"? It's A Movie A Saw A While Back, About SOme Polish people Who Helped Shelter Jews During The Holocaust And World War 2.
@johndillard8588
@johndillard8588 2 жыл бұрын
Most enjoyable movie. Purchased on Blue Ray. Photography is marvelous.
@MrHermango
@MrHermango 5 жыл бұрын
The movie makes reference to President Harrison. Died 1841. Maybe it’s 1842 which puts a wrench in everything.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Harrison, not William Henry Harrison
@JerkyMurky
@JerkyMurky 6 жыл бұрын
One: Westerns can be and are often not set in the American west or in the time of westword expansion. The western genre is based more on theme then on aesthetic... Logan is a western, and so is Star wars. Two: the hateful 8 is not a b movie... I don't think you know what a b movie actually is.
@BogDweller1780
@BogDweller1780 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. But I do have to contest one point that you brought up. It's not in regards to your analysis of the film or anything, that part was solid and thoroughly engageing. I do believe that you have wrongfully excluded Django and Star Wars from the title of Western. I have no doubt that you are vastly more knowledgeable than I am on the American West, but I do think you have misinterpreted the genre of the Western in the context of films. Django and Star Wars are Westerns because they have the protagonist over come insurmountable odds. For Django it's getting his wife back from her owner in a world that hates him, for Star Wars it's a young farm boy who steps up to fight the Empire, for Hostiles it is a man overcoming his hatred. Geographic restrictions don't apply. Yeah, there's Westerns in the west, but there's also Westerns in the Outback and Fuedal Japan. So, in conclusion, as long as there is an obstacle to overcome (be it nature, the law or the evil in men's hearts) it can be classified as a western. If it were otherwise, how do you explain Firefly? P.s. I have misinterpreted you in any way, please let me know.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
Well you can say Start Wars or Django are Westerns _in somewhere else,_ but that excludes the West, which is an integral part of the word _Western_
@BogDweller1780
@BogDweller1780 6 жыл бұрын
Does it? Both of those films are inspired by Westerns, just not in the story sense. George Lucas has cited the Searchers as one of the biggest inspirations of Star Wars and the titular character of Django Unchained is literally named after the other Django film. Yeah they aren't in the West, but you can clearly see that despite this the West is woven into the fabric of these films. If you want a more traditional example of a Western not set in the West, I would suggest a film called The Proposition. It's set in the Australian outback and displays what I can only describe as an authentic portrayal of how the indigenous Australians were treated ( this isn't the focus of the plot, but they do not hold back in how it would have actually happened. It is a genuinely difficult film to sit through because of this, but we'll worth it) In that regard, it's not too dissimilar to some films actually set in the West.
@markmclarnon7035
@markmclarnon7035 6 жыл бұрын
Would you ever do a review on inglorious bastards or more to my taste the people they wheir based on british troops referred to as X soilders
@scottsakajian1766
@scottsakajian1766 6 жыл бұрын
Good review. Right on point about hate.
@pmhops77
@pmhops77 6 жыл бұрын
Would love for you to take a look at Journey's End (a British movie on WWI, but it's on Kodi)...
@lyonmorgan2632
@lyonmorgan2632 6 жыл бұрын
Just watched which led me here , I think I just cried the last 10 years of my life away 💓💓💓so many parts caught me uncontrollably 😂😂😂😂
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