Stihl ms200 vs Psy-Ko-ized 200T

[@tc3603]

Difference between stock saws Vs ported is day and night. It's an amazing skill to understand and perform such surgery

[@daphlavor]

I think a bump in the timing would produce more snappy throttle response, and more revs too! Thanks for all of your videos! Sam

[@jamesmooney5348]

Pretty freaking cool. Like to have mine done up...

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Holy slow-motion Batman ! For a climber, in-tree saw , its apparent choice “B” wood be preferred imho ... I know you are a busy man Jack but peeps are getting antsy on the 462/572 / ??? bench talk and comparison ... in addition vhat about ze 346xp 15000rpm in da cut series ? Thanks and have a blessed day

[@speedandmarine9066]

That rear handle saw is really lazy even on the free rev. The top handle is faster in the cut, but the throttle response is so much better which I would think is important if your using the saw for what it's intended purpose. Thanks for the video.

[@joarflesja1516]

Great video like always. Would like to have a man like you in Norway,

[@j.chrisbeck7492]

liking the video content. where would i get one of those rpm meters ? keep up the good content.

[@speedandmarine9066]

If you want the same model tach that is used in a lot of these videos probably the best place is to watch fleabay. The 2100 model can usually be found for under 200 bucks. At a saw shop/local brick and mortar probably 250-300.

[@robertcupp3047]

Great Jack. That bone stock one was not wanting to do much. Its got that nasty safety chain on it dosent it.. made me laugh when u said don't hold your breath on this one folks hahahaha

[@madreamer]

totally right on the stock chain it comes with meh, but I put a Carlton on there planning on grinding in the stock chain at some point. Almost impossible to plunge cut with the stock chain

[@mikegott3364]

You ever figure that 346 out that you lean seized on the one video of yours

[@Fabzacres]

If you read the description (8) from the 346xp video Hotsaws101 tells ya what’s what

[@speedandmarine9066]

There is a brief video explanation of what happened. Based on watching the video it's clear that it is almost certainly not a lean seize. Lean seized saws don't just start right back up, they take a bit of cool off time and when they do restart they are obviously hurt. Not the case with the 346. The saw is started back up, sounds good, isn't smoking it has none of the signs of an actual lean seize. I also don't understand why some of you feel the need to try and ask these questions in a way that casts HOTSAWS101 in a negative light. There was a clear statement that he was pushing the limits in the orginal video. I think it really shows some transparency that HOTSAWS101 is willing to post any of the R&D process at all. Anyone who says they've never had a failure while pushing the limits and trying new things either is outright lying or they're keyboard warriors.

[@cerberusbonsaiarboricultur774]

Do you have any "how-to" articles/sites or is all your info just "here&there" in your videos? Am in-love w/ what you're doing, wanna get there myself, having a HELL of a time going from "can fix damn-near any chainsaw that was 'damaged beyond repair'" to "can make a chainsaw run 1/5th faster/stronger" (is that an accurate estimate, ~20% stronger in-cut? Am only able to glean a true before/after ## from a video where user @Human tests stock V modified 200's (or 201's maybe) and does like 4-6 cuts on-video then times the results to 100th's-seconds and the average boosts were ~2sec on ~10sec cuts! He also just leaves both units, running, on his garage-floor and the modded one is just running in-circle like 1/3rd faster than the stock one!) TThanks so much for all you do, would honestly be sending you a Scheppach CSP2540 to mod for me (if you'd even consider it - I think I can make a solid case it's a quasi-"Echo cs2511t"-clone, about 1lbs heavier though), but wanna be able to do it myself as I've done all the basic mods (muff-mod, *heavy* air-intake expansion, a ton of ergonomics&usability mods) but wanna move-onto more aggressive stuff, have the gear (grinders w/ tons of 1/4" shanked bits for it, it's 25k RPM so should do anything I need here), so since these are like $130 (shipped!) saws I'm planning to get a 2nd so I don't lose my fave saw if I do break it during mods, first mod will be tearing-open the exhaust outlet port on the block as it's got a giant ridge that may as well be marked "cut/grind here for more power" rofl, look at this it's like 1/4th+ of the port imgur.com/gallery/Ji4smGH Then the inlet port, possibly some more air-intake modification and possibly a larger or a 2nd/redundant fuel filter (maybe larger fuel-lines as well) and finally timing-advance!!! When, if ever, do you find a modded saw benefits from premium fuels? What is premium fuel, and 'ok' fuel, to you? I had been using eth-free only but recently after getting a better undertanding of gas-station-gas I began wanting nothing-but Motomix, sadly most places nearby don't stock it so use "40:1 or 50:1"(must be 45:1?) 'small engine fuel' from walmart or 95oct Husqvarna mix when I'm nearby the place that sells it, I'd probably turn my nose up at a single tankful of non-premix at this point after seeing how crappy gas-station fuel is & how sensitive our saws are!! Again thanks for everything man your vids are awesome!!!

[@hotsaws101]

Cerberus Bonsai & Arboriculture hi. I guess it depends on the skill level of the viewer. There is some interesting stuff but it may take watching the entire video to bring it full circle if your talking about falling trees. Tuning saws - no. Depends upon the level of the build. The Chinese cylinders have plating that is to thin and flakes offs easily. Although, I've never works on the saw to mention. They run better and will develop a little more power. Premium would be the higher octane and more costly pump gas. Other parts of the world have a much higher grade of fuel coming out of their pumps as a side note. I spent a time running race gas. Pump gas mixed with race gas. I've ran pump gas a lot over the years too. We're talking years spent and millions cut. I did use premium Chevron specifically. Always lace it with boost though. Ethanol fuel gets a bad wrap from poor maintenance habits of the user a lot from what I can tell. It is not so bad IF it is getting run through without sitting for long periods of time. It's the sitting and going stale that causes the deterioration for the most part. That starts after ~ 30 days depending upon the storage container. Think your shooting yourself in the foot with the Walmart and/or Husky because both of the oils used in those are subpar. I'd run premium pump gas laced with boost and my mix oil WAY before using either of those two in any saw. Thanks for watching.

[@timbermanj884]

What pitch is that chain

[@hotsaws101]

The Hive - 3/8/s. Thanks for watching

[@chrismoon1584]

What's the largest bar you would put.on a 266?

[@barryreynolds3801]

Chris Moon I would run a "24 on a 266 chris

[@hotsaws101]

Chris hi. That "wood" depend on the state of tune of the saw. I ran 32s on mine back in the 80s. Thanks for watching.

[@chrismoon1584]

Awesome. When I get my next saw, I'd like to send the 266 out to have you work on it if you're up for it.

[@sigarius1783]

Chris Moon just shoot him an mail to the adress listed in the discription. When you are ready to Port it.

[@jamesmooney5348]

24" bar? Heck, he otta go 32 and put some felling dogs on'er

[@SNELLERIZED]

Is that an aftermarket topend on the rear handled MS200? It doesn't run anything like a stock MS200 should run.

[@hotsaws101]

SNELLERIZED GARAGE - Only someone doing shifty things themselves would be able to dream that one up.

[@SNELLERIZED]

You can say all you want, but your "stock" saw doesn't run anything like a stock MS200 should run.

[@hotsaws101]

@@SNELLERIZED Wow. That's one dead horse your going to keep beating. Through the computer monitor no doubt. It's tantamount with me trying to tell someone how to fall a tree over the phone - impossible. Hope you feel better about yourself though. I mean really, how does it feel to have a mission statement the hinges on doing your best at trying to make others look bad anyway?

[@SNELLERIZED]

It's very interesting and telling that you refuse to address the issue. Your only defence is to attack me. This is the typical response I get when I hit a nerve and expose the truth.

[@hotsaws101]

Address the issue? It’s stated twice in the first couple of minutes of the dialog in the video that the ms200 is stock. Let’s face, you have an agenda. Since you seem to need reminding, let’s get it out in the open, shall we.“SNELLERIZED GARAGE 1 week ago Big time. It runs like an aftermarket topend. The 200T runs like I would expect a stock 200T to run...tunes the same as one too. “ “SNELLERIZED GARAGE 6 days ago Your MS200 doesn't run anything like a stock saw should. She's put have an aftermarket or OEM cylinder. “ Unfortunately, you are posting in a couple of different threads with the insulation that I would behave like you do. My suggestion is that you move along, lest things end poorly, well for you anyway……

[@jameswilson322]

How much do you charge for port work ?

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

After a bit more research on ratios. 40 to one is not safe for extreme rpms. Just trying to help and feel im correct. Atleast 30 or more and more fuel

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

WeberBuilt Weber horsefeathers !

[@hotsaws101]

WeberBuilt hi. Neither one of these saws are turning extreme rpms. At least as far as I am concerned for a saw anyway. As far as I found, most of the mix oil (current) research was done on liquid cooled engines. Did your research yield the latent heat component associated with higher mix oil concentrations? Chainsaws are air cooled, excessive heat is not a benefit to them. Oil will, to a degree, hold in heat. Part of the consideration needs to be the quality of the mix oil as well. All mix oils are not created equally - not even close. You need more of a middle of the road mix oil to get the same lubricating qualities as one from the top tier at a lower concentration. This is because of the physical component's chemical makeup and how they perform under heat and pressure. I have cut thousands of log truck loads of logs over a fairly long career using some pretty radical saws. I tried all types of mix oils over the years. I have seen the insides of a lot of saws run on many different mix oils at varying concentrations and for varying lengths of time. The Homelite mix oil (purple hue) was actually a pretty good choice of the time, as was the Areolube. The new, top tier synthetics are another long stride ahead of the best petroleum based oils from what I have seen. Thanks for watching.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

WeberBuilt Weber while I haven’t cut anywhere near the amount of wood Hotsaws101 has during his extensive career; I have thru the years processed a few thousand face-cord of wood and have found the 50:1 ratio with a superior mix oil and non ethanol fuel seems to give a nice mix of performance and longevity even while using saws ported by Hotsaws101 ... I’ve seen guys squawk about 32:1 ratios being superior but I simply don’t agree with that statement.... today’s modern oils are FAR superior to the oil from 20 yrs ago .... Jack is a knowledgeable guy and has the benefit of experience ... one other thing to mention ;where I reside in wny the fuel is not the greatest even from the “known” gas stations ... I’ve seen independent studies where gas tested at over 20% + ethanol when the pump sez 10% ! No saw is going to perform well using that fuel whether it’s mixed at 50:1 or 32:1 .... I’ve used STIHL motomix when I’m doing just a bit of cutting and the saws run clean and strong ! If I’m doing a lot of cutting (2+ gallons of fuel or more in a day ) I’ll run 91 non-ethanol and STIHL ultra ... I can buck up a face cord of 18-19 inch ash with the 461R in 5 mins or less under ideal conditions

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

Fabz the saw seized and im near certain it was tuned and built right.

[@hotsaws101]

WeberBuilt hi. Which saw are you referencing again?

[@alexcoleman3049]

Does removing the base gasket help or hurt if you don’t port the head?

[@hotsaws101]

Alex hi. It changes the port timing. It also puts metal on metal between the base of cylinder and the cases. Not a good idea imho. Thanks for watching.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

Alex Coleman depends on the saw ... imho the purpose of the gasket is to seal any imperfections between the 2 mating surfaces and to also act as a “cushion” so to speak ... the 2 surfaces COULD BE machined to fit together but this may prove a costly endeavor ... most builders machine the base of the cylinder and retain the gasket ... gotta remember on a 2-stroke the fuel is sucked into the crankcase thus lubricating the bottom-end before being sent out the transfers ... a leak between the mating surfaces may prove catastrophic as the saw will run lean ... If you are STIHL adamant about deleting it make sure you measure squish and use the proper sealant ... I believe STIHL uses “dirko” on their products iirc

[@alexcoleman3049]

That’s what I was thinking just needed a reliable source to tell me thanks for replying 👍

[@Fabzacres]

Not good practice to kiss on one cheek and slap on the other

[@jakecouch3592]

Did you say that the guy wanted to pull a 20” us chain with that 200T?

[@hotsaws101]

Jake hi. He said 24" bar. A tall order.... Thanks for watching.

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

Seems top of the day was a bit harsh

[@kevinvesey8777]

“High idle” aka full throttle.... I laughed every time I heard that.

[@hotsaws101]

Kevin Vesey hi. That's gearhead talk. It's actually the correct terminology for describing what's happening since these saws reach a certain rpms and will maintain it until running out of fuel. Thanks for watching.

[@kevinvesey8777]

hotsaws101 Oh. I always thought the idle or low circuit only ran up to around 1/8 throttle and then the high end circuit came into play. Guess I learned something today. Cheers.

[@hotsaws101]

Both circuits are vacuum drawn. It use to be somewhere around 30% of the fuel at high idle was coming through the low speed circuit. Of course when you can adjust the needles that can be altered. I'm not positive on what/where the new and improved save you from yourself, "self medicating" saws are hovering. They have a "target of market: of somewhere around 14.7:1 air to fuel - which is way lean when compared to the tried and true 13:1 for a properly tuned machine. It unclear if any of this is of interest though. Though I might refine the thought process "just a fuzz".

[@bigtimberlumberjacks8426]

what type of Taco you using?

[@hotsaws101]

Big Timber Lumberjacks hi. Pulse PET-2100DXR Thanks for watching.

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

was on wrong video. The husq 346xp that seized at 17560 rpm by the gods green earth man.

[@hotsaws101]

WeberBuilt - It's God's green earth, and I'm the guy. The 346 videos were in early and late February. You should really post your commentary there since you know which saw/video/s you are referencing. Fabz has some videos posted on his channel. It seems you are trying to have a conversation just with him (?), maybe you should explore that route.

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

hotsaws101 thanks for the plug Jack but I’m not really interested in playing 50 questions with these trolls ... best way to get rid of a rat is to not give him any water lol ... We have a wonderful tool here with utube and the net to share info and hopefully learn a thing or 3 ... I do not understand why these trolls think that just because words come out of their mouth ( or in this case the keyboard) that it’s the truth ! Weberbuilt Weber did YOU look inside the 346xp ? I think not !

[@allenhuling598]

Yeah, "get some real chain on that thing!" That anti-kickback chain is just junk, if you want a saw that cuts. Nice running T-handle...and nice vid!

[@hotsaws101]

Allen hi. Yah, mentioned the anti-cut chain in the description. I am now in possession of some PS "big kid" chain. Gonna give it a whirl. Thanks for watching.

[@Fabzacres]

Try using the pferd or STIHL 2 in 1 in the 3/8lp configuration ... sharpens tooth and raker at once ... handy to have when on the job in the field ... better yet sqr/sqr grind the picco ps 63 for some quick cut/cut ... just be aware it takes a wee bit more hp to pull it thru the timber

[@hotsaws101]

Stevo hi. The stops were taken down to where I was taking material off the "anti-kickback" segment as well as the actual "raker-gauges". The chain did not cut because of it's design - mostly the shape of the tooth itself. In one of the videos I used a "safety chain" that has the chisel tooth design and it cut really well. Tooth shape & length make a huge difference in the way they cut from what I have seen. Thanks for watching.

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

Fabsz I just think more oil would have helped at over 17000 rpm. Why does it make me a troll

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

WeberBuilt Weber ... just look in the mirror and keep repeating the words “ I am a thief “ Adios ! Fabz out !

[@chrismoon1584]

Oh snap. First view and comment ;)

[@andyhunt6766]

yeah if you say this is Andy Hunt West Virginia like to purchase a 7900 blue Makita if you had one let me know on messenger thank you

[@corbysherman4710]

7136 feet

[@hotsaws101]

Corby hi. Yep, included it in the description when the video was posted. Thanks for watching.

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

If that saw was 25 to 1 it would have patted your back

[@johnbernstein203]

Jack..... how is that first saw a 200T if it doesn't have a top handle?

[@mackmacgillivary7478]

John Bernstein it's says ms 200 on the side but not a common machine

[@johnbernstein203]

Thanks Mack.

[@hotsaws101]

John hi. It is rear handle design variation of the 200T. Similar to the ms201c-em model that is a direct sibling of the ms201T c-m. Also why I was being a smarty pants with the "back handle" comment. Thanks for watching.

[@johnbernstein203]

Jack....much obliged and happy Memorial Day!

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

You need more oil and that means more gasoline also

[@hotsaws101]

WeberBuilt hi. Any change to a set amount of liquid through the addition or subtraction of another fluid will alter the amount of the original liquid as well. I.E. at 50:1 there is 12.8 ozs of mix oil in solution and 627.2 ozs of gas. At 40:1 there is 16 ozs of mix oil and 624 ozs of gas. Assuming both are using a 5 gallon can/jug. I think that is where you were going with that statement. Thanks for watching.

[@weberbuiltweber1908]

Was meaning larger jets or opened mixture screws if everything is tuned right and then more oil is added.

[@davidgaylord2035]

no sound

[@pdmehrtens]

Yikes!

[@nilsr5897]

Who needs such a chain on such a chainsaw shouldnt use a chainsaw anyway