House & Garden - Bat-May

[@ChannelAwesome]

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[@anubusx]

A Bat credit card.

[@deshawnedwards6412]

You know, I wouldn't mind seeing Ivy and Harley consider adoption in Season 3 of Harley Quinn.

[@anubusx]

Reminds me of Stay Out Of The Basement.

[@anubusx]

Weird before i saw this video Body Snatchers for some reason popped into my head.

[@charlesshadid1890]

It feels like a suspense thriller building up,like in The Twilight Zone. ⚘

[@deshawnedwards6412]

This episode when from being a mystery film at the beginning to a full blown horror film at the end of this episode. Next to Pretty Poison and Eternal Youth, this episode really show just how twisted Pamela's mind is and it's pretty scary.

[@slyfox2022]

Thats why she's my fave 😍😍😍

[@jordanhunter3375]

Went all Don't Go Into The Basement in the end

[@jordanhunter3375]

Kinda like the House of Leaves notes playing throughout

[@ricjaredpalandiano1807]

This episode brings out the "Parental Guidance" meaning after 13 minutes. And the reveal hits you like a bus 3 times.

[@rogue7723]

Yeah, you _know_ things are messed up when even _Batman_ is horrified by what’s transpiring.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Also it's wild to think the Poison Ivy we see in all appearances after this is simply a clone Ivy created to keep Batman busy. That is however a clever way of explaining why she looks so different compared to her original appearance, which is appreciated.

[@isaacgleeth3609]

Then we get Scarecrow's redesign, which is how he should appear to those under his fear toxin.

[@theheroneededwillette6964]

I did seem a little weird to me that her skin turned greener.

[@chrisblanc663]

But a lot of characters had a redesign with no explanation at all.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@chrisblanc663 Exactly, which is why I appreciated they atleast attempted to explain one of them.

[@CCaster2000]

@@theheroneededwillette6964 I always thought that was just Ivy becoming more plant than human as her mutation continues.

[@magomandrake171]

I always liked how DCAU Batman was able to be shocked when he found particularly messed up stuff or something happened to someone close to him. It made him more human and his cold badass moments all the more powerful .

[@christopherauzenne5023]

Same with how the show allowed Bruce Wayne be his own character/have meaningful connections with people. It stops him from seeming like a cold emotionless robot and makes the time he shows care to the villains feel more genuine and like you said human

[@ZombrexAbuse]

The fact that Dick, never short of a wisecrack or two, can only say "Lady, you're nuts..." says it all about how much he's shaken up by this one.

[@claytonrios1]

Oh yes, the Poison Ivy episode that made me feel for her. I hadn't felt that way about her since Harley Quinn and Arkham Knight.

[@dnpanimationstudio382]

I liked the part when Batman said he wishes he could believe Ivy changed. He genuinely wants his enemies to be able to find peace and move on with their lives. He understands how pain can take over your life and hopes someday they can be free.

[@kaihedgie1747]

Oh boy, this episode definitely stood out to me as a kid with the horror elements. No two ways about it, this was messed up, though learning that the Poison Ivy in later appearances being a clone I definitely didn't know about

[@NL-ws5fv]

Now the question is did, or does, Harley know? Could make a lot of existential and messed up comic stories.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

definitely explains why she looked so grey, but nothing can explain Joker's beady black eyes in season 3, YUCK!

[@pendragonxt3674]

@@NL-ws5fv I believe that if Harley knew, she’d never trust Ivy again.

[@10tailedbijuu]

i really think that is just a theory and not fact.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

This is certainly one of the more twisted episodes of Batman TAS, it shows that Poison Ivy really is mentally unhinged to a scary degree, almost on the same level as the Joker and Two-Face. Even when she could've lived a nice normal existance, her insane obsession with plants wouldn't let her settle for normal people. How fucked up is that? Amazed she didn't make plant clones of Harley .

[@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost]

Maybe she figured one Harley was more than enough.

[@pantspantsrevolution]

This is just a theory of mine but I think because she loved Harley so much she didn’t want to get her involved or violate her rights. Personally if I cared about somebody that much I wouldn’t involve them in this kind of plot either. It’s a shame we never saw the original Ivy ever again after this. I thought for sure she would come in the new Batman adventures. They kinda revisit this plant people plot a little bit in the later seasons only it’s something far more sinister.

[@jinpei05]

Fun fact: she pities her for being such a door mat for Joker.

[@CB0Otz]

Thing is, it's immoral for us - but it's also truly the only way she can feel something akin to normalcy. It's such an interesting way to make her character have depth while also keeping her inhuman.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@pantspantsrevolution Honestly if she loved Harley so much, why not just take her with her. Putting as much distance between her and the joker sounds like about the only possible solution.

[@jessedellross3245]

“For what’s its worth, I believed her. When she told me for the first time in her life………she was happy”.

[@shainewhite2781]

This episode has a sad ending. Poison Ivy just wanted a family, but will never have a normal life.

[@gothicMCRgirl]

Yeah, this episode showed that she was just too far gone. Her obsession with plants prevented her from forming genuine connections with real human beings, to the point that she needed to create artificial ones. It’s genuinely tragic.

[@monicaaboites5053]

Unpopular opinion: Poison Ivy is more symphatetic than Harley Quinn

[@stempest7218]

@@monicaaboites5053 how? Harley Quin was basically brainwashed and manipulated by the joker. If it wasn't fir him she would still be a normal functioning member of society. While everything ivy did was because of herself. She didn't have anyone manipulating her.

[@monicaaboites5053]

@@stempest7218 Poison Ivy didn’t torturing children. In this episode Ivy, might have kidnapping Carlisle’s daughters for her own personal beneficial and easier fooled Batman. But at the end, she didn’t do it. Unlike Harley who didn't have any problems of helping Joker in torture Tim Drake (considering that he was just a kid) and making fun of that. In fact, if Joker asked to Harley of torturing children, she wouldn’t have problems on do it.

[@stempest7218]

@@monicaaboites5053 my point is joker made her that way if he didn't she would have been normal. The joker would beat harley, talk down to hear and never show her any affection unless she did what he wanted. She did everything for him not caused she enjoyed it but because he emotionally manipulated her to be dependent on his affection and would only give it if she did everything he said and Ivy on the other hand would kill people all on her own. Also ivy makes it clear she only cares about the lives of plants and dosent care about the lives humans. So she would probably torture or kill children to protect her plants.

[@aRBy125]

7:18 - Wow, that's actually a pretty clever way of explaining a redesign if it is indeed canon. Never knew about this backstory for New Adventures.

[@justsomeokami8867]

This episode is in my top 5 favorites. I love how you could empathize with Ivy without giving her a pass on her actions. I really felt for her at the end.

[@joshuacritchfield3564]

It has a similar feeling to wandavision as well. The whole taking the life you want despite who you hurt.

[@owellafehr5191]

Exactly, I was going to comment that as well.

[@jinpei05]

Fun Fact: Dick Grayson's friend, Cindy, was played by a young Megan Mullally, better known as Karen Walker from Will & Grace and the future Mrs. Nick Offerman.

[@mitchfletcher2386]

Also Aunt Gayle from Bob's Burgers!

[@elder-woodsilverstein7716]

3:33 - 3:48 Those 15 seconds are something to be cherished and loved for a very long time.

[@chefbreccia2642]

Let's just agree it's canon.

[@elder-woodsilverstein7716]

@@chefbreccia2642 Ok :)

[@leovk5779]

"He's a peeping tom!" So funny! XD

[@nataliegray8019]

I remember this from when I was a kid. It was so freaky with the plant babies and stuff that I thought it was just a wicked fever dream or something for the longest time. It's amazing the impact this show had on my memory, not just with this one episode either!

[@swagzagoon2596]

To be fair. If I saw the Batmobile pulled up at someones house at any time, I'd be like "Oh damn I do not wanna be anywhere near that house right now."

[@imsomewhatcertain1024]

I didn’t really care about Poison Ivy before House and Garden, as I was more of a Harley Quinn fan. However this story made me feel the feels for Poison Ivy, and now she’s my favorite DC villain next to Harley Quinn.

[@ludwigramirez4711]

Their relationship used to be good when they were friends. Now that they turned them into lovers, they ruined it and ruined both of their characters.

[@JoseMorales-lw5nt]

One aspect of this series that I've come to appreciate in my adult years... the what-if factor of Bruce Wayne. Had his parents been alive, we would know Bruce as Dr. Wayne. As a medical doctor, I could see Jack Napier and Pamela Isley working as chemists for Wayne Enterprises. His attorney? Why, Harvey Dent, of course! I know that Alfred Pennyworth wouldn't be much of a father figure in this world, yet he would still be a valued member of the Wayne family. Deep down, I'd like to think that BTAS Bruce Wayne had a grudging respect for his adversaries. Even in THE WORRY MEN, he admits to being disappointed by Jervis Tetch for becoming a common thief.

[@toganium4175]

In terms of visuals, this is definitely the most disturbing episode of Batman: The Animated Series in my opinion. I especially like this dialogue exchange because it really shows how far gone Ivy has become. Robin: Lady, you’re nuts! Ivy: Well, that’s your opinion.

[@petertilton7004]

Ivy (cont.): And probably the last one you'll ever have. Kids!

[@dannyburton92]

Hahaha before clicking on the video I told myself "Wow this is a messed up one" and it is exactly what you say right at the start !

[@AnimeDynasty001]

Scene from Back to the Future Lol nice touch!!

[@anubusx]

Brruce copied George.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Poison Ivy has always been one of the most terrifying enemies of Batman for me, not only because she's a killer and inhumanly cruel, but because she is impossibly beautiful and is able to win people over just by being her sexy self. She also is VERY good at appearing to be innocent and kind - unlike, say, Harley Quinn, who, like all clowns, can never avoid giving away that she's putting on an act (not when committing crimes, anyway). This episode managed to make her more terrifying still simply by turning her into a wife and mother. I really felt sympathy for the two kids before I found out they weren't human. If your mommy is a supervillain, it becomes impossible to trust ANYONE. But yes, I am able to feel sorry for Pamela at the end. Deep inside every psychopath, there HAS to be someone who just wants to lead a normal life and is desperate to get out. And Ivy proves this. She does have her good points: she genuinely cares about saving flowers and trees (and I think she's correct in thinking of them as being more vulnerable than humans), and (in the "regular" comics) she is one of the only people who's willing to look after Harley Quinn. Harley feels she can be completely honest with Pamela, such as when she shed tears over the Joker having manipulated her yet again and said, "Help me, Red. Help me..." I still have a few questions, though. If Pamela Isley from this point on was really just a clone, how did anyone not notice? Why didn't "she" degenerate into a pool of vegetable sludge like the others, and how did "she" explain "her" new appearance when "her" skin turned light green? And how was "she" able to continue to show empathy toward Harley despite not being human?

[@thatonkgau5221]

This was the episode that made me scared of poison ivy and made me feel sorry for her because she really did want to have a normal life and a family.

[@A4orce84]

Don't know about the other "90s kids" watching Bat Month 2022, but this episode always made me think of the Goosebumps book, "Stay out of the basement!" And, when the actual Goosebumps TV show came out and they made the episode based on the book, even though they are different stories, I found both this Batman Episode and the Goosebumps Book / Episode eerily similar. Great job Walter on the review with this one!

[@shainewhite2781]

2:34, voiced by the legendary Jim Cummings.

[@keijijohnson9754]

Man after hearing this whole description of the episode, I honestly want to see this redone as a full on live action Batman film. The concept for this would’ve made for quite a freaky horror thriller that would’ve actually felt pretty scary, if not freaky enough to feel close to scary. It would feel like a Batman mystery with elements of Us and The Thing mixed into it.

[@low-keydrama1260]

Another sad thing I saw pointed out somewhere about TNBA Poison Ivy being a plant copy is that she possible also made her for Harley. The real Ivy possibly realized that once she left, Harley would’ve been all alone with Joker with no one out there to support or encourage her so she made the Ivy we see in TNBA for her friend

[@halleyangel1706]

I remember having this episode on a VHS Cassette and always thinking it was so crazy and odd. That it always stuck into my mind. Even today, I felt bad for Poison Ivy in this one but I also remember not being fair to Ivy as a kid. I kept comparing Poison Ivy to how my mom is. And always chastising how she was because I knew how my mom is. And would act. But that was me being 6 and thinking only my parents were most reliable people on the planet

[@BugsyFoga]

Definitely a fascinating tale on ivy’s character.

[@nalkarj2840]

SPOILERS This is one of my favorite BTAS episodes, and I think it’s underrated by fans. The main twist-Pamela being the villain-isn’t hard to guess, but the smaller twist of the kids growing up to be the husband and then the monster took me by surprise. And Dini somehow figures out how to make Pamela seem so innocent that even the Pamela-as-villain twist comes across as a punch in the gut despite its obviousness. Maybe it’s just because I watched “WandaVision” recently, but the main twist here is pretty similar to “WandaVision,” isn’t it? “House & Garden” is more satisfying both narratively and emotionally, however.

[@GarrettTheViking]

This is probably the best Poison Ivy episode in the show. I'll never forget the shock I felt when I first watched this episode and heard Robin reveal the twist (no spoilers) since he knew the man Ivy married. I don't think this episode or BTAS Ivy get enough praise for how good they are.

[@luvstagrind]

This is why empathetic villains are important it makes them understandable and more memorable

[@DieJG]

But also, never using that to excuse them.

[@luvstagrind]

@@DieJG right

[@avatarmary]

lmao the back to the future joke made me laugh irl

[@jp3813]

The Ivy clone theory simply doesn't work due to three reasons: 1) All the other characters were also redesigned. 2) Those redesigns are also shown in flashbacks that precede the events of this series (ex: "Mad Love"). 3) A doppelganger is supposed to actually resemble the original person in order to fool everyone, including the World's Greatest Detective. I doubt that the makers of this show ever intended this to be Ivy's last appearance. And if a retcon happens in a non-animated medium years later, does that even count for most viewers? Especially since it would make the crossover between Ivy, Harley, & Livewire less significant if it's actually just the latter two characters.

[@ashleytuchin7693]

I absolutely love this episode! It manages to show how truly psychotic Ivy really is, while still making you feel sympathy for her.

[@Outsyder216]

I remember this episode airing in primetime instead of the usual after-school slot. I didn't realize back then that it was the season premier; that makes sense. In any case, this was definitely my favorite Poison Ivy episode; the part with the pod babies was one of the very few times Bats was genuinely unnerved by what he saw, the other times being the people turned into trees (another Poison Ivy episode...she was good for body horror), and the one with the child slaves in the sewer. As for the redesigned Ivy being another plant clone, I've heard that theory before and it's good to see it more-or-less confirmed.

[@rebgates]

This was one of the BtaS episodes that was around the house on VHS when I was little, like four or five. We also had the episode with the Penguin, the one where he tries to reform, and Mask of the Phantasm, Sub Zero, and the episode when Ivy is running the health spa. I loved this episode, at first just for Robin and the cool set up. I've rewatched it only once or twice as an adult and I still love it, but for different reasons now. It is pure nostalgia to me, but also why I liked Ivy, feeling like she was interesting if they just gave her the right stories.

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

This episode was creepy AF! This is probably the ideal "Halloween Episode" of the series, and this is a series that included a Wolfman and a Giant Bat in two separate episodes. That's how twisted this one is!

[@briankenney9827]

I LOLed hard when the BTTF reference

[@wattsink2009]

3:34 I completely lost it here! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@liamshaughnessy6246]

Love this video ❤️😎 and the Back to the Future reference lol ❤️😂🤣😹

[@YourBuddyBrady]

It's funny that Poison Ivy went after Swamp Thing in that Batman comic because in Justice League Action one of the episodes is about Poison Ivy trying to marry Swamp Thing.

[@AnimeAngel88]

The heartbreaking irony of a lady who can create everything from plants but she cannot have her own children.

[@sapphirewingthefurrycritic985]

Reminds me of that Gossebumps episode 'Don't go into the basement.' Kind of a fucked up episode for something as tame as Goosebumps and only one of the few episodes that actually scared me.

[@Powherkrangunch]

This is a really great episode! So many fun scenes, lots of dark moments, even a little bat-empathy mixed in there. I also strongly appreciate all the references in this episode- Body snatchers, Spirit, plus I like to count the design of the plant creature as a very vague Hulk reference. I love how you threw in the BTTF joke too. Nice to see you have some extra fun by by adding stuff like that! A wonderful dark story indeed!

[@CrypticCharm]

i found this episode quite sad. yes the husband and the boys are just creations, but there is real terror in their voices when they turn into plant monsters, and even though they were fake, they were still her family and she took pictures to show that on some level she brought into the fantasy

[@chefbreccia2642]

"It's season 2, let's change the into to be more colorful, fun and kid-friendly!" "Sounds good! Also, here are a couple of episode scripts, 'Avatar' and "House and Garden'." "Sure, I'll look those over and...OH MY GOD"

[@jinpei05]

One of the funniest things about the commentary track for this episode is how the plant monsters react when Batman shocks them with the cables and Bruce Timm says they turn into gingerbread men 8:20

[@wattsink2009]

It’s funny because Poison Ivy is usually portrayed as one of Batman’s most cruel and sadistic villains (second only to the Joker). But this episode, (combined with a few that I heard about in the comics) recently peaked my interest in, not only what a more sympathetic characterization of Poison Ivy would be like, but also what a thematically appropriate happy ending for her would be like. 🤔

[@Autumnlight91]

Really? She's the 2nd most behind the Joker? ehhh...not sure on that

[@wattsink2009]

@@Autumnlight91 Well, Scarecrow, Scarface, and Lock-Up are pretty high up there too.

[@ninja1man4u]

Man the episode animation and lighting really pushed this episode from a to s teir. Its so amazing

[@catbourquin]

I had forgotten this episode, till I watched the video. This was the first episode of the Batman series that I saw on TV when I was a kid. This episode is what made fall in love with the series.

[@Rat2rrj]

on her own terms is what got me, man

[@beavis8073]

I'm only one minute and 42 seconds in but I am going to call swamp thing as a twist, just to see what happens.

[@shadowjudge921]

I can honestly say I've never seen or even heard of this one before. As a kid, my mother always restricted me from watching Batman TAS or anything she felt "promoted violence" You can't imagine how many awesome shows I was denied. But I managed to sneak an episode now and then. And later, as a teen, I was more free with my choices of entertainment. So I watched BTAS on Cartoon Network. Never once did this episode come up. I guess the CN execs thought it would be too twisted to show.

[@ddthewolf]

My mom was like that with a lot of shows, the only reason we given a pass on this one was because dad liked it

[@epache315]

6:53 R.I.P. Kevin Conroy The Dark Knight Batman 😢 😭😢🦇

[@timwoods2852]

I remember my parents not letting my brother and me watch this show for its first few years of runtime. Episodes like this, make me wonder if they weren't on to something.

[@KingRandor82]

I can actually live with that being Poison Ivy's big curtain call, especially as TNBA was *not* very good, save for a few select episodes. I'm glad the focus would go to Batman Beyond....

[@theswapmeetflea]

Great choice of the music playing in the background as you talk about the episode, it really sucks you in and adds to the atmosphere of it. It's perfect.

[@JohnSmithIlIlIlIl]

this episode was AMAZING! :D I love Batman's reaction to finding baby-plants.

[@alessandrobozzi7085]

The Back to the Future juxtaposition joke is something _straight out_ of a classic Nostalgia Critic episode. Man, the nostalgia! ... wait.

[@justmoonwithamustache]

I remember this was Ivy's last appearance and I heard a theory that the reason she looks different in TNBA is because it's not the real ivy(according to the tie-in comics,though their canonicity is questionable)

[@goblinounours]

I love the "Flower Girl" trivia thing. It gives closure on what happened to Poison Ivy in-between Batman TAS, JLU and Batman Beyond, AND explains why the re-designed Poison Ivy had that weird green-ish skin. Excellent find! Knowing the ultimate fate of Batman's rogues in Batman Beyond was something I really enjoyed, like the Meltdown episode with Mr Freeze or The Winning Edge with old-Bane on life-support.

[@christopheredwards788]

This episode is emotional and creepy

[@hardnewstakenharder]

6:43 it's so funny that Poison Ivy keeps a photo of a potted plant lol.

[@expendableindigo9639]

8:06 For what it’s worth, Bruce Timm also apparently said that during the time of Batman Beyond Ivy went to South America and blended with the forest permanently.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

This one was seared into my mind as a kid when the twist was revealed and we see a side to Poison Ivy we don’t really see anymore, not since they made her and Harley Quinn a canon couple

[@aidanhever3369]

It also kinda resembles the Goosebumps story: Stay Out of the Basement.

[@camiloordonez4906]

Man this episode has scenes that live rent free in my mind

[@KeeKage37]

This is definitely one of the best Poison Ivy episodes in Batman the animated series. Along with her times teaming up with Harley.

[@mryoungandbrave1]

I had an idea for a Fanscription: What if Batgirl was in Dark Knight Rises instead of Robin. The idea: At the end of The Dark Knight, Batman saves Gordon's son, but what if it was Barbara Gordon instead. Being one of three people to know the truth, she wants to clear Batman's name, but stays silent at her father's request. When Batman returns, she suits up as Batgirl.

[@gonzalezmichael89]

Definitely a recommended episode but it's similar to wandavision or the vision family comics series that wouldn't care what came first. Ivy's character explored from an eco fighter to house mother is great and surprised she never wanted to adopt.

[@MTTT19]

I love how Ivy included Harley in her scrapbook.

[@cole6843]

Very underrated episode!

[@nikobrien88]

When I first saw this episode I was tearing up for Ivy. But when the twist ending happened my jaw dropped to the floor and I was like WHAT! THE! FUCK! This is Ivy's most fucked up episode. I like this episode for its messed up moments.

[@galorefilms7489]

This is one of the few episodes I saw before the video and this has become my favorite Poison Ivy episode, and maby my favorite Poison Ivy story!

[@comicboybook9009]

I loved the environments of this episode, seeing the greenery and the scenes during the day outside of Ivy's house always come to mind when I think of this episode (and of course all the other horrifying things)

[@MaverickChristian]

This is one of my favorite B:TAS episodes, thanks largely to the ending with Ivy's tears and Batman's closing lines. I thought this episode was really underrated.

[@jinpei05]

Peter Strauss, who played Dr. Carlyle, has a very impressive resume in both television and film, including the role of Justin, from The Secret of NIMH.

[@mitchfletcher2386]

Also Stoker from Biker Mice from Mars!

[@seankale5116]

since im a huge fan of 50s scifi films, the vib of invasion of the bodies snatchers made me happy to watch as a kid and as an adult still. still really like this episode.

[@SpectrumPOV]

That Back To The Future clip really worked great with the Batman footage.

[@Spectra651]

I always wondered why they gave Ivy green skin in the 4th season. I just chalked it up to the sometimes drastic redesigns the other villains received, but it still didn't explain why she suddenly had the power to control plants like a metahuman when previously she had no superhuman abilities other than her immunity to poisons. Her plant-based abilities came more from genetically manipulating them than having actual powers to make them grow and attack at will. Now I know why she came off so different in the red-sky season. Honestly, that detail should have made it into the show proper at some point, but maybe the series was canceled before it could be addressed. It's still nice to finally learn that after all these years, though.

[@craigwebb9318]

7:05 Tru 😢

[@jamesbounds]

This is defiantly one of the best Poison Ivy episodes.

[@labelle4497]

I had one BTAS VHS growing up and it was Poison Ivy. I watched it all the time.

[@Thespeedrap]

Shockingly I remember watching this episode with my mom back in the day.And surprisingly felt relevant to me.

[@jamesgrant1253]

My favorite part even though it’s weird was the plant monster threatening Bruce in his car and when he shoves him to the steering wheel like a bully plus you can always recognize Jim Cummings without looking at the credits

[@PhoenixHealing]

It’s so weird how I will forget an episode and assume I somehow missed it until Walter starts talking and a memory is triggered. It took longer than usual until I saw the pod babies. Once I saw the babies that’s when it all came back!

[@velociraptor4you3291]

What a note to end on as far as the real Poison Ivy's last appearance in the series' continuity (👏)!

[@keirchallinor9273]

Hey Walter so glad you enjoyed this episode. I was a little nervous when you first said it was a messed up episode and was like oh no. Ha ha I find its a very uner rated episode that doesn't get talked about a lot, and probably my favorite poison ivy episode. Showing that perfect balance of sympathy and corruption which is always my favorite type of villan.

[@PandaMonium92827]

Jim Cummings is an absolute UNIT when it comes to voice acting. He can take over for another well-known actor MID SENTENCE in a song, which he did when Christopher Lloyed and Jeremy Irons for Scar and Rasputin when they actors needed rest between takes.

[@ommlettuce3137]

I feel like theres a lot of gay/lesbian interpretation that can be made in this episode, especially in relation to Ivy and Harley. Faked heterosexual relationships are very common among old gay media (often refered to as "beards") to keep suspicion away from the gay characters. When Ivy says "I wanted a marrige on my own terms" this could be connected to the illegalization of gay marrige at the time. And theres no coincidence that the person she fakes the relationship with was her doctor at Arkham, a direct parallel to Harley's origin. Almost as if he were a male stand in for her. Then at the end the final page of her scrapbook depicts her alone on her car, a picture of Harley, then her fake wedding. Seems like a lot of "coincidence" to me.

[@MineKurtMininer]

seeing who played that green monster I'm getting a vibe fusion of thanos, Nega-Duck and Cortes

[@juzoinui4627]

This episode was really disturbing

[@robchuk4136]

Really nice work with that BTTF reference, LOL. As for the episode, after the kidnapping, I thought it was interesting to hear Bruce call Dick his 'ward.' We know that's who he is to him, but it's just a little weird to hear it said out loud (on a show not from the 60s.) Also, the pod babes is one of the most creepy BTAS moments! I think House & Garden is Poison Ivy's best episode of the whole series and it's in my Top 25. Their 'villain reformed' entries tend to be really strong, as we also saw with The Penguin and later, with characters like Harley and Riddler

[@devilfacethedarklord]

Sounds like Wanda Maximoff with Visions kids. Both are warped in their ideas in wanting a family

[@Gojiro7]

im shocked it wasn't mentioned how messed up it is that Ivy's artificial children grow super fast, and before the take the form of her brutish protector, they take up the role of Ivy's husband......meaning Ivy was sleeping with essentially her children.....yikes

[@melindoranightsilver9298]

No, they were plant based mutations that were enhanced with the doctors DNA. There was a reason why he was kept alive. She never needed to sleep with the clones.

[@Wurzelknecht]

@@melindoranightsilver9298 I don't think the OP was talking about her sleeping with the clones to produce the children. I think the implication here is simply that Ivy might have been sleeping with whichever clone was playing her husband at the time. Remember, she didn't do this for some elaborate scheme or just a science experiment. She did it because she was lonely and wanted a family. Including a loving husband.

[@melindoranightsilver9298]

@@Wurzelknecht Even so, I doubt she slept with them. Of her "husband", Ivy comments, “He was useful for signing my release papers, and for providing certain raw materials for my experiments.” To Ivy, the sum of the male contribution to any offspring is measured in “certain raw materials”, a rather skewed and warped take on matrimony. Thst doesn't sound like someone she bothered to sleep with for connection. She wanted that life but her terms.

[@Wurzelknecht]

@@melindoranightsilver9298 The quotes you were using refer to the doctor she kidnapped. He was just a means to an end. I'm talking about the plant clone posing as her husband. Ivy didn't just want kids. She wanted a family. The whole package. When she cries at the end of the episode, she cries over a picture of the whole family, not just her "children". Is it so far fetched that Ivy also wanted to create a husband on her own terms?

[@melindoranightsilver9298]

@@Wurzelknecht Assuming that she wanted a husband in the first place. For her to get out of Arkham in the first place she would have needed to seduce the doctor which is her M.O. If she was really all about having a husband as well as the kids, then why not just use her plants to get him to do what she wanted like she usually does? She doesn't care about the men she seduces, they are all a means to an end. Either she needs them for something or she wants revenge on them. We don't even know if the plants were capable of sex but they most likely were not. I also don't think Poison Ivy is that sick to "raise a child" to then sleep with it when she pleases before it turns into a plant monster. They even mostly act like children. I think what she misses is the concept of a somewhat normal life that got taken from her when she gained powers. She wants a quiet and peaceful life but on HER terms. Also in the album was a picture of Harvey Dent & Bruce Wayne when Harvey announced the groundbreaking of the Stonegate Penitentiary, and a photo of the rosaceae vularis both from "Pretty Poison" and a headline & picture of their spree in "Harley & Ivy".

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

I loved the house & garden episode along with other poison ivy episodes pretty poison, eternal youth, and Harley & Ivy. It really showed a more sympathetic version poison ivy, how she tries to go legit and yearns for a family that she will never have due to her powers. Even Batman showed his own sympathy to the plant princess and even he wanted to believe she had gone straight and wasn't behind the crimes. Now I wil say that this episode has some horror elements that reminds me of the film 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' where even Batman is shocked by the turn of events.

[@SellavinAtoms]

This episode was definitely when the darkest and creepiest day ever did was amazing how how far things went in the 90s in the 2000s they tried their best but couldn't go too far because of post 9/11 and other stuff.