House of M - Atop the Fourth Wall

[@amiablereaper]

I love how Scarlet has next to no agency *in a story where she rewrites reality*

[@jamiekyrin]

Linkara, as a DC fan, you should know that the discipline of psychology is not highly regarded in comics. Easily half the people that Batman has punched over his whole career have had advanced degrees in psychology.

[@juniorjunior5884]

Good point.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Not to mention just as many people Batman punches on a nightly basis are all mentally ill in some way.

[@aaa1e2r3]

Aside from Hugo Strange, who else?

[@696190]

@@aaa1e2r3 Jonathan Crane, Harleen Quinzel... not sure on others, but I'm pretty sure there are others

[@zemox2534]

Penguin, Bane, Freeze and Al Ghul are the only bat villains who are not insane.

[@themaplesamurai]

Funny thing about Linkara's joke about how superheroes come back to life so often that murder shouldn't even be prosecuted in comic book universes: when Metamorpho died at the start of Grant Morrison's JLA run, they show his funeral's poor attendance, and the pastor at said funeral admits that not a lot of people come to superhero funerals anymore because no one expects them to stay dead.

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

Superman and Java were the only ones attending.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Magneto's dark, emotionless face about the boat could have worked of a symbol of "This is a puppet-show fantasy and deep down part of him resists the false happiness"

[@Future_Vantas]

That would work, Magnus typically has strong resistance to mental alterations

[@comicking428]

Fun fact: Magneto's outfit in House of M is based on Spanish King Juan Carlos. It was originally going to be his DLC costume in Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, but Spain threatened legal action upon seeing it, leaving Magneto as the only character in UMVC3 without a DLC costume.

[@brandonlyon730]

Funny that the developers of MvC3 were willing to back down and yet EA continues there war wanting to continually implement unregulated gambling in there games to children even when entire countries like Belgium told them no.

[@grantmoore8228]

Well there's a very good reason for that... No one expects the Spanish Lawyer Inquisition!

[@PolarPhantom]

Damn it Spain, you couldn't be cool!!! That's a joke.

[@erickcastaneda9589]

Once again spain ruins everything

[@AkumaKristian]

@@brandonlyon730 Funny what companies do when there's money on the table huh?

[@kallisto9166]

No matter how bad a day you're having, you've still got it better than Scarlet Witch

[@bgvo4373]

Given the state of our country, I’d like to put that to the test.

[@Pikachu2Ash]

But even Scarlet Witch has it better than the rocket grunt who dropped the lift key XD

[@ArcCaravan]

There's always someone with worse days out there.

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

And Peter Parker.

[@cui8789]

Unless you're Spider-Man or Hank Pym.

[@artemiswolf4508]

I love how casually Peter’s trauma is thrown in, as if he needed any more. I imagine a movie version of this event where there’s a scene of wolverine and the others talking and in the background you can see Peter miserably banging his head against the table.

[@Gojiragon]

I doubt it, seeing as how WandaVision is basically loosely adapting the story.

[@RedDragonM1]

And that trauma...as well as everyone else's....was forgotten quickly as turning a page in a book.

[@larrypoppins6273]

@@Gojiragon extremely loosely, considering almost everyone who was involved in this event wasnt present in wandavision.

[@bthsr7113]

I'm thinking more fetal position.

[@oscarmccormack1611]

@@Gojiragon Wandavision isn't really adapting this story, moreso the original run that introduced Wanda and Vision's children. The callbacks to this are mostly thematic and emotional.

[@Z2Wolf]

A bit late, but here's a list of reasons why there genuinely might not be civilian specialists catering to superhero stuff, all of which kinda support each other, please try to read the whole thing the first point is definitely the weakest, but it leads into others: 1. Economies of Scale - The Marvel universe has an insane number of heroes... by the standards of a narrative. But in absolute terms take every named, established hero and you've got maybe a small town's worth of people stretched across the entire planet. 'Superhero Doctor' would not be a feasible career path; if a total of like 20 people took that route, the industry would already be filled entirely; and so nobody can feasibly offer such a facility and DEFINITELY can't offer training for such. 2. Dangerous Power Imbalances - continuing on from the last one, obviously Tony Stark or some other quite frankly insultingly rich super could just pay for an entire illogical industry to exist, but in doing so it would basically give him the kind of power over the greater superhero community that they've fought against him getting like three times now. Breaking doctor patient confidentiality is a high crime, but throw a doctor to ALL the superheroes in the mix - particularly someone who's normal and therefore can't defend themselves when the villains come knocking - and the crime actually becomes so high that it can no longer be punished. A therapist can't ruin a hobo because the police will come down on him. Superheroes are already effectively the highest enforcing body in the land, and there's no big brother that can watch over them if some of their dark secrets start getting out. 3. Logistics - so, you can solve the first two by just finding a rare and special individual who is naturally geared to do it; rather than trying to pick from an industry; and you can solve the second by just ensuring perfect - PERFECT - secrecy AND finding an individual of inhuman ethical standard. Great! ...How? How could somebody who did want to set up a superhero doctor possibly go about finding an appropriate candidate across the whole entire world. How exactly would they vet a candidate for a field that does not exist without creating public awareness of what they're making and thereby endangering the whole project? Just ask Heimdal really nicely and trust what he says? Just because it makes sense that a specific thing exists doesn't mean you can find it. 4. Different Superheroes are not the Same - Nephrologists exist because a kidney is pretty much always going to be a kidney. There are different diseases that affect it. There are different blood types and allergies that affect how the body reacts to treatment. But it's always pretty much gonna be a kidney and you can use the same knowledge set for each. Get a superhero dermatologist to try and look at The Thing, Mister Fantastic, Luke Cage, and The Hulk and he's gonna be telling at least one of those guys 'I have no fucking clue what I'm looking at and don't know what you want from me.' This isn't as big a problem for pure psychology, per se, but it absolutely is for pregnancy given that even in the examples you mentioned one of the pregnancies is caused by a disembodied demon soul, and the other one is caused by *subtly different demon shenanigans*. You could find a specifically demon-based pregnancy specialist, but then you're asking for somebody trained in a deliberately difficult skillset that has come up a single digit number of times ever. 5. 'Normal' doesn't work that way - So to tie up all of this; in order to have a doctor for superheroes that would realistically work out; you would have to find somebody of perfect morals, who can keep things secret that everybody wants to know for like fifty years, who just seemed to show up when the world needed somebody with those qualities because there'd be no story otherwise, whose idea of a science degree is being amazing at dealing with like 20 wholly disparate concepts that should really all require their own training and at best fit a general theme, and who has enough luck and general favor of the universe to not just die during any of the myriad unreasonably dangerous things that probably shouldn't be survivable. You know what we call people like that? A SUPERHERO. Yeah, it seems if there's a demand for something it should probably exist after fifty years; the problem is that at some point it did have to START existing and there are a lot of reasons why that'd be a disaster.

[@masterimaginariumdooblepop7592]

Now I want a series about a group of med students trying to set up a superhero clinic and running into all kinds of problems because the superheroes are all different. Like mutants, aliens, extradimensional beings, vampires and so on.

[@K1ng1995]

@@masterimaginariumdooblepop7592 I'd read that

[@kyuven]

House of M as a story was OK to me. House of M as an event ROYALLY pissed me off. Because my favorite comics at the time were the X books, and reducing mutants to only 198 individuals effectively killed (metaphorically for most, LITERALLY for others) all storytelling potential of a school for mutants that had been running in comics before. Joe Quesada effectively did to the X-books what he did for Spider-Man: He forced them back to a time when they were limited to a smaller cast while at the same time giving the entire setting a brand new deluge of pointless conflict that distracted from the pre-existing conflict. It also, for SEVEN YEARS, limited the number of new X-Men characters that could enter the setting. Sure having a lot of mutant characters was a bit of a problem, since there were so many, but that was also the appeal. IMO an event comic should create the potential for MORE stories, not reduce it. Crisis on Infinite Earths did it too, but they only trimmed universes, they didn't remove an entire character archetype from ever appearing again. House of M was to Marvel what devastating the Green Lantern Corps. was to DC. Also by making mutants the dominant number, House of M basically created My Hero Academia almost 10 years early.

[@witecatj6007]

I was thinking of that too while watching. My head cannon is that My Hero Academia is part of this world.

[@derangel9143]

House of M is like any of the lesser Bendis books: A lot of great ideas that end up being let down due to either editorial issues or Bendis overestimating his own skill (a lot of plot points during his run with the time displaced younger X-men fit the bill as examples). I don't think Quesada was entirely wrong with how mutants were being used and that something needed to be done. Mutants were so populous at the time that the whole minority part of their status didn't work and it was REEEAALLY stretching the "humans hate mutants" ideology. Mind you, there was a MUCH simpler solution to all of this: The solution Matt Fraction came up with a few years later in his mixed, but very interesting, run with the X-Men. Just don't make them fucking hated for no reason anymore. Then Marvel decided "nah, gotta keep that status quo" and proceeded to shit all over everything that worked and was interesting in Fractions run.

[@lukedalton]

Well, i instead though was a good idea...mutant number had gone insane lately and frankly i found a little refreshing that (at least for a while) the mutants were forced to walk on humanity shoes aka the designed race destinated to be substitued/gone extint; unfortunely it's from this event that had really come in my mind that the mutants 'heroes' are just a little better than their enemies and were ok with 'cohabitation' only when it was clear that in the end they were the next step and the sapiens were going the dodo way...change that and well we have Malcom Cyclops and his cult

[@mediadetective6104]

That’d be a twist, finding out that MHA the entire time is in the House of M universe

[@Linklex7]

Plus all the popular mutants still kept their powers anyway. Magneto lost them, but got them back quick. So no real risk was taken by the “No More Mutants.” Take Rogue’s power and explore that. Let Cyclops actually show his eyes. These were the risks Marvel was too afraid to take.

[@SCWRMComms]

Fun fact: this was the starting point of a very terrible period for Jubilee, out of which she got only very recently. Basically, with M-Day she lost her powers, then got a generic gadget suit when she joined the New Warriors with the name Wondra for a while, and then got vampirified by Dracula's son, Xarus, using her as a tool for trying to overthrow his father. It took the pity of Quentin Quire (Kid Omega, in case you need another name) and some of the Phoenix Force to restore her to pre M-Day mutant, powers and all, and out-of-universe, this lasted for more than a decade. The only respite was that in all of this, she adopted a baby, and stories about that period were generally well written, but still. I know that she didn't had too many fans especially thanks to her portrayal in the '90s animated series, but she got hit hard by all of this. -Teo

[@calsh14]

I remember just being super disappointed about how Jubilee was treated in this era. Reading Excalibur, New Mutants, and seeing her with Shojo has made me happy she got out of the dire straits Marvel was putting her through

[@LupineShadowOmega]

@@calsh14 Agreed. As someone that was a fan of hers because of the 90s series, I can say I'm glad that she managed to pull through.

[@eggman1115]

Yes, Jessica Drew was indeed still a Skrull at this point, and that's why she was on board with the "let's just let this reality be" plan, because the Skrull empire was better off there.

[@krukomonsterpodcast2814]

TVsJosh but what about doctor strange?

[@leotamer5]

But why? If there plan is to invade earth, why would the Skrull want earth to have more people that could potentially detect them and stop them? With how random mutant powers are, and how many more mutants there are, there might have been a person who unconsciously forces everyone in a certain range of them to revert back to their true forms and be unable to shapeshift. And if we presume that no more mutant powers were created and that where only variances on pre-existing powers, that is still a lot more telepaths at least.

[@BlueHero45]

@@leotamer5 They wanted to invade earth because they lost their own home-world to Galactus, while I don't completely remember I think the Skrull home-world was in better shape at the time

[@JaelinBezel]

Is she still a Skrull?

[@hannabelphaege3774]

@@BlueHero45 So you're saying she removed the material conditions that incentivised the Skrull to be criminals? Wow, she's a better leader than anyone in comics.

[@cafeterialoca]

"Bendis forgot to double check" Silly Linkara! Bendis never reads other writer's books!

[@justinpullen1097]

Yep. Same issue with Tom King. The two are quite similar when you think about it.

[@bluestar2059]

Is that the reasoning behind the Jon Kent stuff? Or was that because of something else? I know that was Bendis' fault, I just can't remember why he did it.

[@aros0018]

@@bluestar2059 I think the common theory about why Bendis had Jon aged up and shipped off to the Legion of Superheroes is that he simply had no interest in writing Superman and Lois as parents, thus he ruined something a lot of fans wanted to see simply for his own convenience.

[@bluestar2059]

@@aros0018 But I like SuperDad! And Jon's banter with Damian in the SuperSons series is awesome! Dammit Bendis, if you don't want to write them as parents then just write stories were Jon's at summer camp or out with friends or something! Or just don't write for Superman!

[@kyuven]

@@aros0018 I think you just described Joe Quesada and most editors at both companies with that line.

[@carloszapata847]

11:34 Charles Xavier has a PhD in Psychology and an M.D. in Psychiatry. Unfortunately, he is not allowed to show that outside of the movies for some reason. X-Men: First Class was probably the movie were his talent shines the most.

[@L1701]

He uses it a bit in X-Men: Evolution.

[@RabblesTheBinx]

I can't speak for the films, but 616 Xavier's doctorates are in genetics and biophysics, not psychology and psychiatry.

[@ericwhite1942]

​@@RabblesTheBinxno,no he has a few doctrines including in Psychology. It doesn't come up often, his degrees in Genetics coming up the most.

[@tyrant-den884]

Xavier is too close to Scarlett.

[@SwiftGundam]

"Energy can not be created or destroyed." Yeah, because superheroes haven't done the physically impossible or just said 'no' to the currently understood laws of physics/the universe before.

[@kaicreech7336]

The laws of physics in comics only work if someone is looking at them.

[@changvasejarik62]

@@kaicreech7336 i wonder if that included the observer paradox. also screw conservation of mass and the square cube law, it's only holding us back.

[@JaelinBezel]

Like when Superman heard a sound wave 27 light years away through the vacuum of space nearly instantly?

[@robinmohamedally7587]

and yet......those same laws of physics are used to "explain" how characters do things. Pick a lane comic book writers. But you're right, the laws of physics contradict themselves every other issue in comic books.

[@Djinsin]

Here’s a thought: WHY HAS NO ONE MADE A SERIES ABOUT DOC SAMSON BEING A THERAPIST/PSYCHIATRIST TO SUPERHEROES??? Seriously, I would read the crap out of a series where Doc Samson has a session with well-known superheroes, or even lesser known ones, and discussing what it’s like to live their lives alongside their superhero duties, how it’s affected them personally, and why they still fight the good fight despite all the pain and heartache it’s caused them (provided it didn’t suck and was handled properly). AM I THE ONLY ONE CLAMORING FOR THIS IDEA????

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

Peter David has done issues like that durning his Hulk run.

[@kelvinphillips7140]

Marvel tried but it ended up becoming more of a murder mystery with a Hannibal Lector character.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

I imagined this as either a live-action web series or a tv show as you were describing it, and I am all on board.

[@idongesitusen5764]

I have the same idea! If you wanna sell it, make his first session with the FF- Maybe human torch to show a serious side to him

[@repulser93]

SomeRandomJackAss Even better, they already have a bankable Star for such a series with Ty Burrell.

[@spyrofan9681]

The saddest part in this for me is all those little mutant kids at the academy at the end who lost their powers, who just lost a huge part of their identities and who are probably about to lose this really close knit family they have at the school.

[@artemiswolf4508]

On the other hand they are no longer a systematically oppressed minority that gets rejected by their families and then hunted down by giant robots.... so silver lining?

[@theguyyouhate]

@@artemiswolf4508 the robots i'll give you, but somehow i don't think they all just got their families back. either because the families still didn't accept them or because of what their families still had done to them.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@theguyyouhate sometimes the whole "only mutants with X gene" mentality the x-men has does more harm than good. at least one run should portray the xavier or jean grey institure welcoming non mutants for pro co-existence I mean, in Nick spencer's Amazing spider-man they are protrayed as them rejecting billy connors (who at this point is a lizard hybrid broguht back from dead by cloning) because he doens't has an x-gene. even though he looks more mutant-ish than some mutants who are still basically normal human looking like say emma frost

[@korecfirk]

@@artemiswolf4508 some parents didn't accept their kids back even after they lost their powers, when a bunch of them died the xmen had to take care of the funerals because of that

[@MattEldritchHorror]

And then the school basically sends them to their deaths by kicking them out of school, a place that should've protected them.

[@nicodemusedwards6931]

House of MMMMMMMMMMMMM KAIBA BOY! Edit: I’ll leave now.

[@halowaffle25]

Begone, deliciously camp man. I SAID BEGONE!

[@Dameduse823]

I do fell a soul stealing, campy, cartoon addict would have helped the story along.

[@TheCaptainKuhn]

Pegasus Man

[@vcom741]

Alternatively since this is Linkara's channel...eh, that meme was dumb anyway :/

[@yourfavoritegames4971]

Scarlet Witch sent everyone to the shadow realm, I mean she is so ambiguously camp

[@BlackScarabFilmZ]

Zero Hour is when you're really passionate about a topic and end up stretching an intended 2 page essay into a 5 page paper because there's so much to talk about. House of M is when you have a 10 page paper but can only come up with 6 pages of actual essay.

[@joshuaingobo1559]

Basically, if two events are like a high school or college essay, then Zero Hour would be an “A”-plus because of its interesting and complex stories, ideologies about wanting to have their own desires, and having philosophies about existence themselves in a proper way; and House of M would be a “C”-plus or a “B”-minus because it involves the psychological effects on a person based on mood, having a desire to do something, and not filling in all kinds of information completely in which it is okay for the most part because of having effort.

[@Guardiann1]

I would say HOUSE OF M is a 10 page paper with 3 pages of actual essay.

[@rebornkusabi7264]

And Heroes in Crisis is a solid F from me. I was a teacher's aide before I graduated and that type of story would have been failed simply from all of the plot holes (actual plot-holes, not "why can Rey be a Jedi- only SEXY MEN can be good at Star Wars" """plot-holes""") and the rampant leaps in logic.

[@elithenerd8956]

Be honest, most of us have written those papers. You need to write a 3,000 word essay but only have 1,400 words and have put in some extra fluff.

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@rebornkusabi7264 I have to ask why from all the many examples you could have used did you go with: "why can Rey be a Jedi- only SEXY MEN can be good at Star Wars" Like seriously not only is it blatant well poisoning but its also an inaccurate statement as its not a plot hole because she isn't a "SEXY MAN" (which it self is a stupid point to mention as I hardly thing anyone would consider Yoda Sex yet most would say that he was properly the most powerful Jedi during the Prequels) but because even Anakin Skywalker the literally Chosen one with the strongest connected to the Force in in-universe recorded history couldn't do anything close to what Rey does before he started his training as a Jedi. And even than after 10 years are his abilities still less impressive that Rey's after training for like a weekend with Luke in Last Jedi. Rey being as powerful as she is, having knowledge of the advance abilities she has and having the Light saber combat skill that she has make no logical sense with ether her backstory or the previously established workings behind any of these abilities and so breaks continuity and by proxy creates a plot hole. Even just in Star Wars is self would there have been so many better examples to chose from so why did you have to go with this?

[@the4thwallkid132]

No More One More Day

[@Ultimaetor]

Oh God, yes. Please.

[@cui8789]

I think you need to say it five times in front of a mirror for it to work. Seriously, I think we're close to it being undone.

[@AnimatedIdiotGuide]

Cicada 5 I’ll believe it when I finally see it

[@slash.slayer]

Have faith, brothers. I believe in Nick Spencer

[@Mask0fFate]

Fun Fact of House of M Dr. Doom: He’s the leader of that world’s Fantastic 4. In this world, the space excursion that gave the Fantastic 4 their powers still happened (with Johnny Storm being replaced by John Jameson because Johnny was doing other stuff), and it ended with most of them dying. Their rocket wound up crashing into Latverian waters and when Doom collected them, he wound up finding inspiration in what happened to their bodies (especially Ben, who was still alive, but whose mental faculties were severely reduced due to his mutation), and so, utilizing magic, he imbued his wife, himself, and his son with powers and they became the Fearsome 4, with Ben being forced to become their fourth member (and being pretty much treated like a dumb animal that Doom constantly abused, even going so far as having his code name be “The It”). He also did try a coup against Magneto, and short version, he failed. Horribly.

[@sarafontanini7051]

so even in a world where your greatest desires supposedly come true....Doom just gets his ass kicked and becomes a non entity until the sequel making him the true villain

[@lukedalton]

@@sarafontanini7051 yep, basically the scarlet witch power give people their deepest desire but depending of the sheer force of will of the subject, for this reason Captain America, Spiderman and Doctor Doom get everything they want as they have the strongest will of earth 616...the catch was that such desire were on the framework of this new mutant ruled earth and so Doom at max can be second fiddle to Magneto even if he had everything else (his mother included) he needed to be the man on top

[@Linklex7]

Doom did get this greatest wish. The one thing he wants more than World Domination, Reed Richards gone. He doesn’t exist in House of M. Remember during Secret Wars 3, Doom created tons of multiverse . . . and made sure Reed didn’t exist in any of them.

[@crimsondynamo615]

Anyways to make a long story short, Santa killed them.

[@sarafontanini7051]

@@Linklex7 Doom: wait, I could've been king of the universe! FUCK! I wasted my wish! DAMMIT! This is all YOUR fault, nonexistent Richards! *Doom points at a paper bag with a smiley face drawn on it* Doom: THAT'S WHAT YOU ALWAYS SAY RICHARDS!

[@sammcguire3798]

"I don't think any of them are coming back." *Laughs in Jonathan Hickman*

[@umabomber]

Negasonic Teenage Warhead was on that Island. Last I saw she was Deadpools secretary

[@idongesitusen5764]

Hickman- let’s put the mutants on an island Marvel- *points to Eve of Destruction* Hickman- The opposite of that *opens Giant size xmen*

[@travmadison2000]

@@umabomber She was never dead, she was much like Emma, on the Island and survived the attack.

[@travmadison2000]

Irony, wasnt even Hickman who did it, but it still did happen which i laughed at after watching lol

[@LILFOC1]

Considering Quicksilver was desperately trying to save his sister's life with no gain to himself when half the heros did vote to kill her doesn't really seem that villainous to me. Everyone in House of M is culpable for what happened...it's just the Maximoff twins get the blame for everything! Also the magneto parentage retcon was stupid AF

[@Nougatbars]

“Are you saying Layla Miller is special because she is scattered more by particles?” This is the Marvel Universe. That’s not unreasonable.

[@myriadmediamusings]

The thumbnail art foreshadows the next AT4W storyline: HOUSE OF L, where Linkara and Viga rule all the comic companies.

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

Shouldn't that be House of LV? Can we also call it Bronze Age 2.0?

[@Mask0fFate]

Would that be a bad thing?

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

@@Mask0fFate No. I'm a Bronze Age superfan.

[@redjirachi1]

Justice Lords, but with Linkara and 10 times the nerdiness

[@idongesitusen5764]

He should do a 15 changes I’d make to comics video for a special.

[@grantmoore8228]

It's funny that you mention the idea of super hero therapists. In the Scarlet Witch solo series from 2015-17, she DOES go to a therapist. It went into a lot of the fallout and buildup of House of M and shows that even with the status quo, she was still hurt by it even if things returned to normal. Her therapist turned out to be a hypnotic themed supervillain making her steal jewelry but she kept seeing him before calling the police because he was a legitimately good therapist and she had a major breakthrough in her recovery. But yeah, I freaking love the Scarlet Witch. She is my favorite Avengers member because she has legitimate mental health issues and the right writer makes it relatable. In that same solo series I mentioned, she was meeting a friend who offered her wine. She refused because it would mess with her medication and she sadly and shyly has to say she's taking antidepressants. That's something A LOT of people with mental health issues struggle with because it feels taboo to mention it in public, even when it's with friends.

[@sarafontanini7051]

was it Dr bong? cause he's the only supevillain I know whose a psychiatrist

[@grantmoore8228]

@@sarafontanini7051 No it someone named Ringmaster who runs the Circus of Crime. I don't believe hes an actual therapist but he had the professionalism of one. If he ever quit the crime business and got a psychology degree he probably would be a very well respected one.

[@CykeMonkey]

What was the series called? I wanna read it

[@grantmoore8228]

@@CykeMonkey look up "Scarlet Witch 2015-2017" and you should find it with enough searching. I recommend it. It's about Wanda traveling the world and trying to fix magic in the universe and involves alot of different cultures and mythology.

[@CykeMonkey]

@@grantmoore8228 That sounds awesome

[@michaelkeenan2307]

11:25 I remember a What If? comic where jessica jones joins the avengers and basically figures out that the scarlett witch is going through trauma off the bat and pushes for psychiatric help for her negating the whole incident, but then elseworld comic.

[@yourcollegedebt8384]

19:57 In the form of media I’m most familiar with, anime and manga, a dark expression like this doesn’t necessarily mean something evil on the person expressing it. Sure, it has been used that way, but when I see this, I don’t see an ominous, evil force at work (not from Magneto,) but rather, a dark realization. Like, a sense of wrongness, as in “I’m not supposed to have grandchildren. So why are there grandchildren in my house?”

[@muhaoai4693]

That, or someone going, "Yes. this is wrong. I know this is wrong. But... but it's worth it. It's worth it, right? It has to be worth it." Alternatively someone realising something is wrong, but also terrified that fixing whatever is wrong will reveal an even worse truth.

[@yourcollegedebt8384]

@@muhaoai4693 Exactly!

[@BaronSengir1008]

@@muhaoai4693 "Should I do something? I should do something! Should I do something?"

[@charleshockenbury353]

How would one help Wanda? Maybe get trained psychologists and therapists who have experience dealing with trauma like her’s, with heroes around to suppress her powers if need be, instead of having *one man* scream at her to “put her children back” and keeping her in the remains of a demolished city. Just throwing it out there

[@jrcarter9175]

That would make too much sense.

[@powerist209]

I think Kurt Busiek had Wanda come to terms with it and had psychiatrist help.

[@billygreci9739]

If that plan had been attempted and failed during the 6 month period, than that would be one thing. But no such effort was even mentioned. And if it did happen in a tie in, I doubt Linkara would gloss over that major story point.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@billygreci9739 you know, while i would love to see more "psyquiatric help done right" in media in general, i also would like to at least have the psyquitric help be shown as fallible (even when writers have psychologist in a story, they are protrayed as "nop. secretely evil. or incompetent (yet they still send you an expensive bill)" or in the opposite direction of "they are a deus ex machina in terms of the character's struggles. The character was massively traumatized? Just say they were sent to a psychologist off-screen and everything is solved"). the same about the medical pills for people to help with mental illness. it would be interesting for someone to need that medicine, but SURPRISE said person is allergic to the medicine (i mean, there are people allergic to peniciline. it could be possible) Or have a psyquiatrist say "sorry that person is beyond or knowledge and help", in a way of making it look similar this scenario: how would the first person with cancer would have felt, especially when in that time people probably didn't even know what cancer was?

[@billygreci9739]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Definitely a valid point to make. One with a lot of story potential. But how well that turns out would depend largely on the execution.

[@odinkiller727]

Know when to use commas, it’s the difference between “No more mutants” and “No, more mutants”

[@leotamer5]

I like the idea of this alternative timeline where Wanda goes, "You know, the only real problem with this timeline is now normal people are being oppressed, but if there are no more normal people"

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

@@leotamer5 Age of X-Man basically did this story.

[@MiniMackeroni]

Works on contingency? No, money down!

[@assimilation9]

Oops! Should have this bar logo either.

[@phoenixshadow6633]

Ah yes, the genocide cycle of the X-Men. I hate it. Every genocide story in X-Men is the same storyline repeated with a different cause. It makes the X-Men look like idiots every single time.

[@calvinallen3424]

How does it make them look like idiots?

[@brandonlyon730]

What I hate about those kind of stories is that it seems like the other heroes including the Avengers hardly ever do much to help out or significantly getting involved in the story. That's my issue with the mutant thing in the Marvel Universe. The Avengers and other heroes are willing to help other people and stop mass catastrophe’s, but they won't do jack shit when there own government developed giant killer robots to attack and kill people including little children?

[@KyanbuXM]

@@brandonlyon730 Yeah though that might more due to the draw backs of having a shared universe when you're trying to tell a story like that.

[@calvinallen3424]

@@brandonlyon730 Seeing how the real world actually treats the problems facing minorities, it always seemed like the most realistic part to me.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@calvinallen3424But the actual heroes? Captain America literally went to war against the U.S government over a law passed that he didn't like and gathered an army of other heroes who hated that very law and fought against it, and yet he never protested against the sentinels or the mutant registration act (considering he comes from the 1940’s he could've easily compared it to segregation).

[@Brutalyte616]

Recently read a fanfic called Civil War Hulk. It actually makes House of M and the build-up to Civil War way more sensible.

[@repulser93]

I see you too, are a man of culture.

[@alexiaNBC]

It's bad when fans can write better stories for free than mainstream writers getting paid by a major industry

[@michaelsayavong2656]

alexiaNBC it’s because fans have passion

[@dannyfenlon2476]

Do you have the link?

[@jrcarter9175]

It also has Tony and Reed suffer the consequences for sending Hulk off into space.

[@chromebison5900]

From Linkara's final assessment of the comic, the title "House of Meh" would be an appropriate Nickname.

[@WyvernSone]

This is why I loved the She-Hulk series where she was a lawyer at a firm that dealt with superhuman law lol I hate that these type of stories force a drama without thinking logically

[@carloszapata847]

I remember when it was pointed out on TV Tropes that, despite Marvel's love for having heroes fight each other, it was not until 2014 that Matt Murdock and Jennifer Walters faced each other in court.

[@hexreviews]

This was my problem with House of M. Wanda is abused, broken, and emotionally unstable and everyone's answer is to isolate her on an island. This is the worst answer! Their plan was essentially to send an emotionally damaged woman who is losing her grip on reality into solitary confinement where they consistently remind her things are real.

[@mattwo7]

7:06 Magneto is a holocaust survivor, how is he not completely unhinged after going through _another_ genocide of his people?

[@austinleach1307]

Has the sliding timescale of comics not retconned that out yet? Considering it would require him to be well over 100 at this point, I assumed they had.

[@autobotstarscream765]

"Let's just forget Magneto is a Holocaust survivor" feels like a trend in modern Marvel comics...

[@mattwo7]

@@austinleach1307 No clue but it's just as important to his character history as World War II is to Cap.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Well there’s ultimate magneto who isn’t a Holocaust survivor

[@mattwo7]

@@TevyaSmolka That's irrelevant to 616 Magneto and you just reminded me of that thing Ultimate universe Wanda and Pietro did while Wolverine, who was assumed to be their father at the time watched so _JEE thanks for that_ ...

[@juliagoodwin3461]

Funny thing was, there was a “What If?” comic that had the Scarlet Witch erased the powers of all superhumans and not just most mutants. Basically, it was “Act of God” done *WELL* . ...also, I can’t *wait* for next week’s episode. I have so much to say that one..

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

I loved how Spider-Man was the one to inspire the people in that universe to fight back against tech-based Super powered villains. and they saved the day

[@spideyviewer327]

Name of comic?

[@Dreamkail]

Spidey Viewer what if? house of M#1 or look up earth 9021

[@MyMagnificentOctopus]

If Gwen Stacy is still alive, doesn't that mean most (or all) of the clone saga never took place? (And the silver age never ended?)

[@thatonea-hole]

@Trevor Anthony 🎵 *LET'S DO THE TIME WARP, AGAIN!!!* 🎶

[@takolink3350]

Lazy writing here, a little lazy writing here and having a "brilliant villain" casually 4th wall breaking about gwen or any clones and there, you got a spidey story. I think I was reading one of the jackal stories or blade crossover.

[@duhdeedee]

The fact Wanda and Pietro were Magneto's kids was a retcon itself. The characters were already 20 years old when the revelation in "Vision and Scarlet Witch" came out.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

On DC's Earth-16 (the world of the _Young Justice_ TV show), both Black Canary and Miss Martian are therapists with specialties in metahuman and superheroic issues. I want to see that in more media involving superheroes.

[@Eguzky]

I kind of want to make a Hero or Villain named 'Tubi Faire'. His power: If he says 'Te be fair' and lists a possibility, it will, 100%, be true. It's a reality warping power. But 1) He has to be able to *Say it naturally.* No just randomly saying 'Te be fair' and making it work. It has to be organic in the conversation. Said to someone else. 2) It has to *make sense*. He can't say 'Well, that crook stole $1000. To be fair, I want to fly.' Because those have no connections. No logic. 3) It only works for the first sentence said. IE: Capt. America: I can't believe that thief stole $20,000 and won't tell us why! How greedy. Tubi: To be fair, he could have done it to to help his family? *Power kicks in* And maybe he does not want to tell us, to keep them safe? (power would only work on the first sentence. Not the second thing said) I dunno. It's silly, and it would take a hell of a writer to make such a power work. :P

[@joshuaingobo1559]

That is an interesting concept. Tubi Faire would reason with a hero or villain about why they do it (specifically, do any situation that they are supposed to do). Maybe he can say it in a sense of morality or in a sense of philosophy in order to know what can people do in order to have a living.

[@kyuven]

He could have the potential to be the most despicable villain in the setting. Imagine if he had no morals. Imagine if he was, well, a rapist: "He assaulted me!" "Well, to be fair, you wanted it!" "Well...I did...didn't I..." Holy crap that would be terrifying and icky. A character like this could never exist in comics because some writers are icky beyond belief.

[@Paxchi]

That's similar to the concept behind Johnny Thunder and his Thunderbolt. He originally didn't realize the Thunderbolt was real, so whenever he'd accidentally say "Say You" in casual conversation, the Thunderbolt would make it happen. Like, if there was a house on fire, he'd say out loud, "Say, you think everyone got out of there alright? I hope they did" and the Thunderbolt would save everyone from the fire.

[@Eguzky]

@@Paxchi Oh dang! SO much for having a unique idea! XD I honestly did not know that, though.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

It's an interesting idea. especially because it is powerful, but akes skill to use (needing to remmeber the first sentence said, and how to lead it so you can say "To Be Fair"), It is balanced (that skill means jackshit if going against a mute or character who can't oor won't talk, so you are left as a normal human being; Also, lose the ability to spek? lose the power), and it would be funny if sometimes said characters sometimes accidentally used the "to be fair" line, and backfire horribly. example: - Why is that guy making such a ruckus about potentially being allergic to the hamburger he is eating? - To be fair, he could be. One never 100 knows what one is eating..... Oh oh. (Guy eating the hamburger starts having an allergic reaction because it turns out, that guy didn't bothered to check if the hamburger had something he is truly allergic to)

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

Depowering the Scarlet Witch safely is as easy as getting Leech to sit outside her door and giving him a gameboy Actually... Leech SHOULD be a superhero psychologist!

[@mr_lrb6879]

But what would they do if he needed to use the bathroom or something and she used that opportunity to do M-Day? Jokes aside, that is a very good idea and I'm honestly surprised Leech was NEVER brought up once in the book.

[@mr_lrb6879]

Though as an addendum, Leech would probably only be able to work as a mutant psychologist, since as far as I'm aware his powers only work on mutants and not like, mutates or sorcerers or the like. I could be wrong, but I think that was mentioned somewhere.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@mr_lrb6879 Also, Leech would be one of the best pro-coexistence heroes given the time he spent with the future foundation.

[@Relugus]

How do you depower an Elder God? Chthon is the source of Wanda's power and he is invincible.

[@codysonic1]

Find the Marvel equivalent of Old Man Henderson

[@WikiPeraX]

A series of counselling sessions between Doc Samson and Wanda could have made a great story. Sort of a Heroes in Crisis that wasn’t dredged up from the bowels of Hell.

[@BullseyeRey]

Then again, Samson's track record with Hulk makes me wonder how much help he would be with Wanda.

[@jadenbryant9283]

GammaRey at best maybe she could get her to calm down and atleast less freguant melt downs

[@joshuaingobo1559]

12:02 to 12:15 I read that in “Secret Origins Annual Vol 2 #2,” Wally West is talking to a therapist to explain what caused his powers to decrease. The therapist told him that his powers are decreasing because Barry’s death caused him to create a mental block to let Wally not be faster than Barry as a way to respect him and his wishes.

[@L1701]

It was also because he feared replacing Barry, I believe.

[@joshuaingobo1559]

@@L1701 That, too.

[@ntcnetwork9934]

That memory stuff between Spidey and Strange aged well…

[@Nethar6]

I remember it being a major plot element in Silk that she was seeing a psychiatrist specialized in dealing with costumed hero's. She got the reference from Mr. Fantastic and indeed she badly needed it after the whole "Was locked in a bunker by a paranoid millionaire". In the most recent run of Unstoppable Wasp Nadia Pym-Vandyne, who had been raised from birth by an offshoot of the Red Room before escaping, was adopted by Jannet Vandyne the original Wasp. Jannet made sure her adopted daughter got to see a psychiatrist regularly and once it became clear she had inherited her father's Bi-polar disorder got put on medication. Psychiatrists for Super Heros exist in the Marvel Universe but apparently only in the comics that get canceled.

[@paxtonstewart8042]

I really like Peter’s reaction. I’m surprised they didn’t have him turn on the heroes. Think about it, he now basically had his perfect life and considering how many times his, and the life of at least half the heroes, has been shit on and any happiness they normally gain is taken.

[@leotamer5]

It is pretty sad how being a second-class citizen who needs to try pass as the majority group, and I believe he ultimately fails, is still more preferable than his life in the original timeline.

[@artemiswolf4508]

leotamer5 Imagine having a life so terrible that “being a persecuted minority in a racist society where you are a runaway from the law” is the better alternative.

[@brandonlyon730]

Kind of like Jax did in Mortal Kombat 11 where he was willing to join the villains side to rewrite the timeline so he would never have never experienced his traumatizing events like losing his arms and stop his daughter from ever getting involved in such events or to be in the army. He was even going to fight that very daughter and literally himself (past self anyway) to change the past for the ’new era’.

[@Phantom9252]

You would be surprised how amazingly little Peter plays a role in Marvel Events. Even events based around his enemies like Siege (Where Norman Osborn took over SHIELD and invaded Asgard) or events where he logically should play a part like Secret Empire (where Peter was one of few active heroes outside the USA at the time, therefore in a position to gather and unite the international heroes, and with Steve, Tony, and every other big good out of the picture he could've stepped up and taken on the moral-speech-role. But no. Instead while everyone he knew and loved in his home of NYC were trapped in a Dark Dimension bubble... Peter was just off in China.... doing things? And then he shows up jumping off a plane into the final battle at the end.)

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@Phantom9252 yeah. peter being relegated to "B-List" in terms of "people involved dealing with Norman Osborn" wa sjust weird. bendis basically wrote Norman as the main big bad, but at no point peter gets to be in the spotlight. they basically treat osborn as if he was Luke Cage's archenemesis. Secret Empire is a worse offender. because Spidey was revealed to even be the one to first react and tell the others to evacuate when everyone was just so shocked to see evil captain america being proven as worthy of mjolnir. Imagine having peter telling HYDRA Cap the same speech (or a similar sounding speech that sounds like a counter) real cap gave to him. that would have been such a cool moment. Also, Secret Empire wastes the fact we had Hero Victor Von Doom and Evil Captain America. How the hell they wasted a potential battle like that? you have to put effort into wasting something like that Ironically, Spider-Man ended up being kinda relevant in events that has barey anything to do with him, like War of the Realms. Or that big moment he had in Avengers VS X-Men. Or original Secret Wars.

[@splatoon2v-gamestreams729]

30:35 Did... did Linkara just predict the ending of No Way Home? I think Linkara just predicted the ending of No Way Home.

[@JDMaverick6714]

Oh my😂

[@skyslasher2297]

Not really both this and the ending are a reference to One Moment in Time One More Days follow up story that was meant to answer some lingering questions OMD left. For example how did the world forget Peters secret Identity answer he asked Strange to do it after MJ was shot by the same burglar that made him miss his wedding by sitting oh him all night. One Moment in Time might be worse then OMD from a writing standpoint.

[@splatoon2v-gamestreams729]

@@skyslasher2297 ah gotcha.

[@ejelecflametails6657]

​@@skyslasher2297At least No Way Home has its revolution after a wonderful story and it's more of a sacrifice done right

[@spdrwrtr]

Peter Parker shaved his head as he was on the run after being exposed as a non mutant in the spider-man tie in mini series.

[@mattcgw]

So he's not Trainspotting Obi-Wan?!

[@TheNukaColaMan10]

say it with me kids. WHY WASN’T THAT EXPLAINED IN THE BOOK

[@brandonlyon730]

@@TheNukaColaMan10 And considering all the padding this mini-series had what was the writers excuse to not explain it?

[@aros0018]

@@TheNukaColaMan10 Well, in this case, Peter having a shaved head wasn't really relevant to the main House of M story, so why would it need to be explained. It's just a weird detail that's explained in the tie-ins but doesn't effect anything. It's different from, say, the vampire Monitor in the Superman Beyond 3D tie-in to Final Crisis, which was heavily relevant to the main story but wasn't actually in the main story.

[@k-trashradio5163]

Or it's just Brian Michael bendis trying to make characters look like himself to stroke his ego

[@WraithTDK]

Until this opening, I never really pondered the mental illness/villainy thing in. Man, that's a complicated one. On one hand, constantly having mental illness LEAD to villainy certainly creates a stigma. On the other hand, there's something to be said about considering the mental state of a person doing something horrible. There's a reason that courts have an insanity defense (or whatever the proper legal name is for it). And while the former is tragic for people who suffer from mental illness that would never hurt a fly, considering how many people have been forever villainized or worse, imprisoned or even killed due to actions caused by PTSD, manic-depression, or some form of trauma-induced psychotic break, one could argue that the latter is more important. I suppose it ultimately just comes down to how it's handled. Considering the things that writers have put some of these characters through, in reality there'd probably be a lot more heroes with some form of PTSD, at the very least.

[@L1701]

And to make things even grayer, there are actual mental issues that can lead to people harming others with no remorse.

[@MicrowavedAlastair5390]

Mental Illness = Villainy is one of my berserk buttons. I am not the sanest and I am trying to be nice, dammit! It's things like that that make me angry!

[@chrisossu2070]

Admittedly, someone who callously kills hundreds would probably have some form of narcissistic personality disorder or antisocial personality disorder, which are mental illnesses.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@chrisossu2070 someitmes i would lvoe to see more heroes that have genuine mental issues (like say, a hero who is genuinely good, but is a mentally certified functional sociopath. but somehow said hero is able to be genuinely 100% good but channelizes his sociopathy in other ways). In fact, one of the few good things Secret Empire did 100% right was the speech Scott Lang gave to Pymtron saying why scott still sees pym as his own hero.

[@andreasottohansen7338]

Hey, good to see your descend to villainy is going swimmingly :p

[@tcrpgfan]

And that's why the Justice League Unlimited episode about the Flash getting his own museum is so fondly remembered. It shows that the Flash actually took the time to get to know the people of his city, including his villains. That scene where Wally gently nudges the Trickster to go back to the local Asylum without a fight is twelve different kinds of heartwarming. That feeling is cemented when Wally says 'We'll play darts... the soft kind.'

[@TheNukaColaMan10]

Doctor Who taught me to never take continuity *too* seriously

[@LegendPurpleDragon152]

Atomic Optimist Chibnal is not a good writer

[@ckd8520]

Wise lesson

[@Ashurman666]

And yet Dr Who has some fantastic continuity

[@myriadmediamusings]

When you have a series revolving around time travel, OUTDATED time travel elements, alternate universes, reincarnation, etc, yeah you really can’t take continuity too seriously.

[@TheNukaColaMan10]

Andrew Mason 13 deserved better

[@iKillerZombie]

Linkara's rant about superhero psychiatrists reminded me of the Iron Man 3 post credits scene where Tony is venting to a sleeping Bruce Banner who wakes up and tells him he’s not that kind of doctor

[@jasonw2048]

I'm loving the Linksano's Science Corner segment

[@TevyaSmolka]

House of m I thought was a okay story but man oh man I really don’t like this story destroying half the mutant population literally and making the x-men go super dark and gritty thanks bendis thanks a lot.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Chris Howerton oh yeah I remember age of ultron my god that event was a mess at least in my opinion.

[@matheuslara1670]

Bendis only gave a premise. X-Men writers and editors could had gone a lot of different paths with that, and even after M-Day was undone X-Men still suffered from bad stories (in this case, some were Bendis direct fault XD)

[@TevyaSmolka]

Matheus Lara yeah that’s true and unfortunately after avengers vs x-men which was also written by bendis by the way made cyclops into a villain the x-men books still sucking and being replace by the inhumans which was really stupid and garbage idea in itself.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Chris Howerton lol nice and I am glad you liked age of ultron more then I did because while I thought that event was a complete mess and all over the place I am glad you enjoyed that event more then I did because at the end of the day we all have our own opinions.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Darth_ Madara yeah that’s true and honestly I am still pissed off that one more day is still canon and we still haven’t gotten peter Parker and Mary Jane marriage to finally return after 10 years of garbage from dan slott I was hoping nick Spencer to finally bring back the marriage of peter parker and Mary Jane heck DC gave us back Superman and Lois Lane marriage back and they had their son Jonathan Samuel kent superboy as his little 10 year old self alive in kicking in the main universe before bendis came in and messed everything up badly, the Superman family were fantastic and tons of fun. So why can’t marvel do the exact the same thing but with Spider-Man peter Parker and Mary Jane and they could have their marriage back and they could have their daughter mayday Parker spidergirl alive and kicking in the main marvel universe too.

[@daranyillh6446]

Bendis doesn't just decompress event comics, his Young Justice run takes what could be a 6 to 8 issue story and stretches it to 18 issues... with the comic getting canceled 2 issues later

[@darkstrike1987]

I remember when I first read House of M I was really annoyed by Emma Frost's whole reasoning for why they should kill The Scarlet Witch, she says that if the world ever found out that she was responsible for Disassembled that it could hurt mutant human relations but killing her wouldn't stop that and would probably make it much worst. The knowledge of what she did could still get out and her being dead wouldn't stop people from seeing a mutant as having killed their heroes, and now they also have to worry about someone painting all mutant as savages who turn on their own and kill those with mental problem or just use the fact that they tried to cover up SW's crime to discredit the X-Men.

[@K1ng1995]

I do agree but I think from Emma's POV what she was thinking was that if a known Mutant and a "Child" of Magneto. A known Mutant terrorist if that got out it would be really a bad thing for heroes in General

[@darkstrike1987]

@@K1ng1995 I get that's what she was thinking, the problem is still the whole how does killing Wanda help thing. The info itself is what's dangerous and killing her does nothing to stop people from finding out what she did.

[@K1ng1995]

@OdinLaw True I guess I've just never been a fan of "Hero makes really bad mistake they deeply regret, HA JUST KIDDING! IT WAS I A VILLAIN who did it and made you all think the hero did it" It just seems like a cop out to me. Like if your gonna make a character do something either they did it 100% of their own free will or don't even consider it at all.

[@K1ng1995]

​@@darkstrike1987Actually that's not true. If word got out I bet you that most of the population would be happy Wanda is dead because of what she did. Most people say they respect the criminal justice system. But in reality we all want the wild west again.

[@johnnygyro2295]

Linkara: "Wanda's literally falling to pieces? Oh God, Janemba's the real villain! Quick, Cyclops and Wolverine, do the fusion dance!" Me, a Dragon Ball fan: "Holy crap, I never noticed that before!" Also, I have to say: House of M was a good idea in concept, but awkward in execution. Some parts, such as the shot in the church, were interesting and gave the story an ominous tone. Almost like the world was Wanda's dream with everyone else stuck in it, and that it could turn into a nightmare at any moment. Final thoughts: 1. So that cliffhanger with the lost mutant energy didn't do much? Damn, that could've been a good story. 2. Of course, Doctor Doom tried to date Scarlet Witch. Between her, Storm and Invisible Woman, Doom seems to have a thing for women who can kick his ass. 3. The next event's Secret Empire? I'm going to get it out of the way, I think Earth's Mightiest Heroes did the "evil Steve" story better.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

I have never heard such a nuanced discussion of killing for the greater good and I am here for it. Also for some reason I kept expecting the doctor list to turn into a rendition of Modern Major General. 21:40 I think the idea is similar to how the immune system works. Logan's brain is a part of his body and messing with someone's memories will involved damaging their neurology. Perhaps at this point his brain is so used to healing from this that it does so much better than before, essentially meaning Wolverine has retcon vaccination. 24:00 Screaming in anguish is the proper reaction to learning Spider-Man 616's life.

[@amyvillanueva3442]

More Bad Bendis Comic Reviews especially looking forward to someday Linkara reviewing Bedis's run on Superman. Someday!

[@bluestar2059]

Do you mean what Bendis did to Jon? Randomly ageing him up to be a teenager, despite the fact that Conner Kent fills the spot of "Teenage Superman" already? Or did Bendis do other stuff? I mostly know him for that thing.

[@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148]

I still want him to touch on Civil war 2 one day. or really the absolute character assassination of it.

[@amyvillanueva3442]

@@bluestar2059 That & making Superman & Lois idiots in their own comic. Luckily Greg Rucka fixed her in own miniseries. As well Young Justice & the Legion of Superheroes. I like his orginal creation Naomi only because the co-writer keeping him on a leash and I'll admit the art was nice & the coloring beautiful.

[@amyvillanueva3442]

@@bouddicathesleepinglioness3148 That too deserves a look.

[@clockstomper]

If only Wanda whispered "No More Crossovers"

[@cooperross9495]

Is that a Floating Hands reference?

[@DrZuluGaming]

That's how I knew about House of M. Ahh, the good ol' times of Newgrounds.

[@slifer875]

"No more bendis"

[@SuperWolsey]

"No more Quesada."

[@scarletnight4554]

"No more retcons"

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

7:01 Note to myself: One day, mention that cliche of "heroes and villains always coming back from dying in comic books", in a story, with someone who killed someone without pain being easily forgiven because said trope, AND maybe even have a normal person be angry that sure, the heroes and villians get better, but the normal people (the supporting cast exclusive to runs) never have that luxury except for the big reality restoring stuff.

[@JohnnyElRed]

"I don't think any of them are comic back." Actually, Professor X had mental recordings of their personalities and memories, to eventually put in new bodies, so, yeah. The geonocided population of Genosha? They all came back.

[@Barret9559]

Not quite. The Mutants who have died are slowly being brought back, but it requires five extremely powerful mutants working together to do resurrections. However, it is taking time because they don't wan to burn all of the five of them out. Especially since Genosha alone is 16 million mutants to bring back.

[@billuraral1870]

Linkara's rant about super hero phydhologicist is better than anything put on paper on Heroes in Crisis. About those X-Students who lost their powers: apperently, the ever inclusive and tolerant X-Men just sent them home since they could attent mutant school, despite, y'know, most of the kids were either runaways or kicked out of their homes. Good job, Scott!

[@Cacodemon-vk3zt]

Calling No Way Home, two years before No Way Home

[@clockstomper]

I always assumed Charles was a psychologist, I think he was depicted as helping holocaust survivors at one point in the comics, as well as Jean Grey in some versions of the story. I know First Class said he was a genetics professor initially but I assumed he is the type who went after many degrees over time. He can live in people's heads so I assumed a psychic would have natural interest in become a qualified healer of mental illness.

[@donb7519]

he's a psychologist in xmen evolution at least

[@Dameduse823]

I don't think he's even been said to be a trained psychologist more likely when he was helping survivors he was just repressing or erasing the worst of their memories like he did with Jean.

[@carloszapata847]

Yes, he is a psychologist. However, outside the movies, this is ignored by writers because it was popular for a time to portray him as a terrible mentor.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@carloszapata847 charles is a psychologist in the movies?

[@mattmaclagan7752]

Ferdinand Took considering one of the few times his experience as a psychologist/therapist came up involved him seducing his patient you really don’t want chuck to be in charge of someone’s mental health care

[@Maswartz226]

31:44 I love when you start hyping something up only to totally deflate it with what really happened

[@GREENWIZ6]

One of my biggest problems with the treatment of Wanda during this time was the combination of her mental illness and incredible power being the reasoning for her no longer being stable enough to act as a hero, when not long after that, Bendis decided the incredibly powerful Sentry's mental illness was totally manageable because he wanted him in New Avengers.

[@thomashare6733]

A place for Heroes to go for mental health........I am going to put a pin in that might be helpful later this month.

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

As in a comic he'll be reviewing this Event Month or an event actually coming up in comics rn?

[@xavispalaceajua]

@@FixTheWi-Fi héroes in crisis My man

[@carloszapata847]

Professor X is SUPPOSED to be this person (having a Ph.D. in Psychology and a M.D. in Psychiatric), but the writers often forget about that.

[@rassilontdavros3004]

“What’s this? A Linkara video on a Monday? My briefcase full of BEES ought to put a stop to that!”

[@mr_lrb6879]

Bees... my god.

[@WarDragonOfTheLight]

I must consult Raiden, God of Useless, to consult the Elder Gods.

[@GatorRay]

Now here's the obligatory reference I'm surprised nobody has made yet. NOT THE BEES! AH!

[@GonicWarrior921]

30:29 As of this year’s release of the trailer of Spider-Man: No Way Home, this has become all so relevant 😂

[@muhaoai4693]

I really can't understand how, in an era when you can look things up so easily online, and we have various online encyclopedias and the like available, that a writer doesn't bother to look up at least recent events involving characters. I stopped reading Western comics years ago, but I do distinctly recall hearing about Doctor Strange's whole 'chaos magic isn't real' thing and thinking, "Hold on, haven't _you_ used chaos magic before? Aren't there, like, several characters who specifically use chaos magic other than Scarlet Witch?"

[@sarafontanini7051]

no obviously that doesn't count don't be silly, chaos magic doesn't exist remember? also apparently Doom did it anyway somehow

[@Marveryn]

@laz kar Marvel use to have a editor that was obsess with keeping track of these thing and that how the Marvel Excelopedia came about

[@L1701]

Continuity died with Mark Gruenwald.

[@GiubileiFernando]

11:40 That is why I love Worm and the Parahumans universe, all of that exists in those stories. Regular people are not only trained and prepared to assist with the capes in support roles like medics and psychologists but they also are (admitedly nominaly) in charge of most mayor parahuman groups. Doctor Yamada having a therapy session with one of the heroes or villains was always a highlight of that story.

[@retrofan93]

30:35 "hilarious in hindsight" moment FTW!

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

7:21 Funny enough, Hickman's X-Men really are trying to bring those back from the brink 23:24 I would love to see someone giving THE "SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION" in response to the "Why is the sky blue" only for the character to say "You know what I mean. Also I didn't know that." 27:05 And now Magneto's ONLY KID because MARVEL is stubborn enough to keep the retcon of "Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are not mutants OR Magneto's father and they never were" (almost as stubborn as them keeping the "Mephistazo")

[@L1701]

When Wanda and Pietro first debuted, they weren’t Magneto’s kids. It wouldn’t be until many years later that they were retconned to be Magneto’s kids.

[@TheHysteriaMan]

27:16 "Quick, Wolverine! Cyclops! You gotta do the fusion dance!" You know....that would've solved the Jean Grey love triangle.

[@maakujiten3812]

Only that Jean Grey love triangle, not the others

[@skyslasher2297]

Now they have a polyamorious relationship

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

No more mutants now, I mean it! Anybody want a peanut?

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

If we had a wheelbarrow that would be something!!!

[@TF2Fan101]

GYAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!

[@jrcarter9175]

Inconceivable!

[@crystalias2546]

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[@andrewollmann304]

Okay, that made me snort.

[@sammcguire3798]

I hate that this is the one thing that defined Scarlet Witch for the rest of comics, even after it got "undone". Wanda really is so much more than "No more Mutants"

[@calsh14]

To answer your question about Spider-Woman, yes she is a Skrull.

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

Did they reveal when she was replaced with a Skrull?

[@chrisbuttonshaw2088]

yeah but I ignore that because why wasn't HER wish being granted?

[@calsh14]

@@chrisbuttonshaw2088 I'm a year late, but apparently the spell was screwing up the Skrulls so they didn't get their wishes granted. It was revealed in some tie-in comic

[@calsh14]

@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 I believe that was during the lead in to Secret Invasion

[@zenkaiangel977]

Damn, a Wolverine-Cyclops fusion would be awesome 😂 Amazing close and long range weapons plus adamantium skeleton and healing factor? Yes, please 😇

[@rajamicitrenti1374]

@12:00 re: super-specialized doctors: This should be something that Marvel should have considered by now, even if it's a superhero whose power doesn't lend itself to the profession. See Jennifer Walters' legal profession being apparently based exclusively on supers cases.

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

Wanda's kids are still kinda alive. Great, now what about Wally's kids.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Flash Forward broguht them back (And Linda's marriage to wally) BUT Wally had to become one with manhattan's power, and the mobius chair (almost lost his humanity) to do so. HOWEVER given a lot of wally's plans were scrapped once dan didio left, god knows how scott snyder is fixing wally back even further. only that wally is gonna be important in Death Metal

[@changvasejarik62]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 out of the frying pan into another frying pan.(i won't lie i'm not a big fan of the metal events(mainly because i really loved multiversity))

[@kelsea8767]

Linkara: "It's Secret Empires" Me: *passionately screams 'NOOOOOOOO' into the night*

[@BainesMkII]

You can read so many things into Cyclops' speech. He can't stand a "happy" universe that has him married to Emma instead of Jean. He can't handle someone other than himself (or his ideals of Xavier) getting mutants into a better place. He can't actually handle mutants being in a better place. (Yes, I know it isn't fair. Scott wants humans and mutants to reach equality, not to simply reverse positions. And he does want to fight for and "earn" it, not just force it into existence ala Wanda.)

[@pistaalkohol]

Before heroes in crisis started, I thought it will be about superhero's doctors, psychologists or therapist who help them relearn skills after accidents/getting implants/or artificial limbs

[@joshuaingobo1559]

It is somewhat like that until it turns into a murder mystery event that is worse than Identity Crisis because of editorial mandate wanting to kill off or botch all DC characters because he hates the characters. The writer initially wanted to write Heroes in Crisis as treating mental health, but editorial mandates cause the event to be controversial.

[@Cdr2002]

I think it’s crazy how no one gives Scarlet Witch the credit she deserves for creating My Hero Academia

[@JeffTheBunnySlayer]

“Spider-Man lies about being a mutant to maintain a higher social standing” This idea of a mutant dominant society like this is good, real good. Seeing Magneto in control without wiping out the humans is great, I’d read a miniseries like this. Zoom in from the “restore reality” thing and just focus on Spider man struggling with this new society.

[@darthcinema1415]

It wouldn't be the first time the X-Men thought of killing one of their friends. A similar thing happened with Jean when she became the Dark Phoenix.

[@ghuff31]

to be fair, she murdered an entire solar system and they STILL protected her when the Space Legion came for her. In the end, "Jean" killed herself because she was losing control. Unless you mean the horrible movies.

[@connorrivers995]

*Peter Parker sits in the chair crying anguished tears and sobbing* Steve Rogers: He's taking this pretty well.

[@metropod]

I’m a simple girl. I see Linkara post. I click.

[@funkyweapon1981]

I'm actually a very complicated man, but I'll still click on a Linkara video.

[@austinmeghu]

@@funkyweapon1981 Oh my gosh. Shaft watches Linkara

[@PathBeyondTheDark]

Persona 5 Royal did the "altered reality utopia" idea best since its entire narrative consistently questions the idea that returning reality to its base state is actually just, eventually settling on the idea that the protagonists just dont want it this way and thats why they'll fight rather then explicitly implying it is wrong. Whats more is that the antagonist, and the cause of the shift, genuinely has everyones interest in mind rather then having some underlying selfish motive or mental illness.

[@johngalas1081]

Just to give you answer like why no one suggested a therapist, I have autism and suffered from depression. Ev en at times where I have volunteered I have suffered from immense depression and a lot of tough situations. I have gone to ERS, been with several therapists, mental hospitals, and I can tell you not always do they work. Sadly, it actually gets worse. With the age of social media, obbsession over phones, and how peer pressure affects; things are worse for people in these situations. Sadly, even times when I need help I feel lonelier. Sadly, plastic surgery is treated better than mental health. Not a joke, more a sad one thou, but I experienced too many times. It's uncertain how it would be in the comic book world. Not like Arkham Asylum, but still not as optimistic.

[@billygreci9739]

First and foremost, best of luck with everything you're going through. The fact that even someone getting all the mental help they possibly can still suffers that much really says a lot. If this story established the same as true for Wanda, that part of the story could've been much better. But it didn't. Nor was any explanation given for why Wanda wasn't seeing a mental health expert by the start of the story.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@billygreci9739 that's something almost no media shows. either they show therapy or psychological help in some of this variants: - Portrayed as "for the weak", so no one goes for it. That or the character is too stubborn to go to it - Psychiatrist are evil - Psychiatrist are incompetent so they can't help and also too expensive. (although this one sometimes at least justify why character is not going to see a psychologist Or a psychiatrist) - Psychiatrists are deus ex machinas. Have a character who is supposedly broken down so much is beyond help? send that character to a psychiatric warden, and either have the character never come back, or come back 100% cured because off-screen psychiatrics can do anything! Yet almost never protrayed as "sure, it can help you. maybe not". I mean, maybe a person could be allergic to the medicine said person needs to deal with the depression. or the doctors have no idea of how to start treating the person because multiple doctors can give different conclusions and treatments. or maybe the patient has a never before seen case (imagine this: ho can someone cure a person with cancer in a period of time no one knew cancer even existed?) Although i agree with waht you said of the story not at least having a line saying "Wanda tried to get help for her mental illness. it didn't work"

[@billygreci9739]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Agreed. There was definitely more mental help story potential to be applied here and in other works.

[@sirekumasutra7022]

30:43 Linkara did you write No Way Home? lol

[@mattwo7]

3:28 And yet this still isn't even the most screwed up story involving babies in Marvel. To my knowledge, that would be the one with Multiple Man's kid (which incidentally was conceived with a _duplicate_ of Multiple Man, meaning this baby was at least partially not real as well)

[@GatorRay]

GOD! Hearing about this makes me think back to Avengers #200. Which in turn makes me think of the Ren & Stimpy's Adult Party Cartoon finale Stimpy's Pregnant.

[@marvelprince]

You are correct Linkara. Jess was indeed still a skrull at this point. Originally the plan was to launch her solo during House Of M with the planned reveal at the end of the first issue being the revelation Jess was actually the skrull queen in disguise but they decided against it

[@Falxifer95]

Marvel Comics have a lot, and I do mean A LOT of issues in regards to continuity and consistency, but at the same time they don't constantly feel the need to reboot their universe as much as DC tends to do when one event or storylines don't work out. Hell, 3 of the worst Spiderman storylines have never been retconned despite how much fans want Marvel to do so.

[@Clay3613]

They also have far less universe spanning event comics.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

even when they did a cosmic reboot, it was only a "soft reboot" that at least let them establish stuff that is "more consistent-ish" like: Cap was in the Ice for 60+ years and just woke up in the 2000s.

[@Falxifer95]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 yeah that's the thing, they have done a lot of retcons and had continuity hiccups but their big events have stuck and when they do course correct it's an in-universe solution but the event stays and at worst they just don't mention controversial or disliked events, and they also are more flexible with the creation of alternate universes and timelines, and they also stick. The Ultimate Universe, Marvel Zombies, Earth 2030, etc. they're still around.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

@@Falxifer95 "The Ultimate Universe...still around." Should I tell him? Look up "Ultimate End." Miles Morales, Reed Richards (the evil one), and a few others are now in the main Marvel Universe, but...uh...no.

[@Falxifer95]

@@SomeRandomJackAss Brian Michael Bendis stated that the universe still exists as shown in the 2017 comic Spider-Men, and they've been hinting to its Return as early as 2019 and on subsequent recent comics, so for all intents and purposes the Ultimate Universe still exists albeit in limbo. So spare me the pedantry.

[@carlrood4457]

The thing is at the time this was made there were at least two qualified psychiatrists with experience in treating super powered people, Leonard Samson and Dr. Ashley Kafka. Also, If I recall correctly, when Marvel Boy/Justice was in prison for killing his father, he attended group therapy and he was being held at a prison specifically design to hold super powered criminals.

[@skyslasher2297]

7:19 considering most of them are mutants they were probably brought back by John Hickman thanks to House of X no relation to this story

[@thedragondemands5186]

At least House of X was self-consciously referential about it

[@joshuaingobo1559]

House of X and Powers of X (or HoXPoX) brought back almost every mutant who either died or lost their powers except for those with precognitive abilities because if the precognitive mutants returned, then they will find out the truth about all of this.

[@BlueHero45]

Most of the important ones anyway, there is apparently a backlog the Resurrection team has to get through. So they are still a way off from the "over a million" before house of M and far off from the 16 Million that died on Genosha.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@joshuaingobo1559 Poor Blindfold. Also, i suscribe to the theory that moira gave X-Man the life seed so she could get rid of him

[@mitchellcowan2500]

Between all of the Bendis stories Lewis has reviewed I’ve noticed that one of his things is to just ignore continuity in order to tell his stories. What I find really funny is that Lewis points out in Civil War II they’re all fascinated by Ulysses’ precognition even when they really shouldn’t be because of altering the timeline. Even though they do it a lot, including in the comic Age of Ultron which involved altering the timeline. So apparently Bendis is willing to ignore the continuity of his OWN work

[@mattwo7]

28:23 Going by this logic, wouldn't _Kobik_ be the one who gets shot by an arrow?

[@reymafias6404]

7:17 *Dawn of X readers holding laughter on the back*