House of the Dragon S2E07 live Q&A discussion

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

Vhagar: "you, young one, carry a dark fury within you. you are worthy" Vermithor: "you stood against me, knowing it would mean certain death? you are worthy" Seasmoke: "Oh shit, its Laenor. looks just like him" Silverwing: "d'aw, you're so adorably stupid you're mine now." sheepstealer: "om nom nom"

[@gamerguy19981]

I don't know why, but the idea of a dragon just saying "om nom nom" is somehow the perfect 😅

[@govinddas7876]

someone said Silverwing saw the broken egg clutch and thought Ulf was her baby lmao. This is now canon in my head 😆

[@cuneytunsal5422]

What is this childish comment bro? For real, Im wondering what did you think while you were typing this? You 13-14?

[@thewarlock539]

Your comment reveals more about yourself than the OP.​@@cuneytunsal5422

[@seanvti]

​@@cuneytunsal5422 Dude... who hurt you?

[@RyanT586-2]

Oscar Tully is a bad ass. Totally earned some Riverland respect with how he handled himself.

[@Ironcorgi2]

I want to see Kermit and Elmo!

[@duhrellrl]

@@Ironcorgi2they dead tho

[@JOHNTIM212]

@@Ironcorgi2 Imagine how dumb that would look in a TV show, I don't know what George was thinking when he made somewhat prominent characters have obvious joke names.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

​@@JOHNTIM212Because it's hilarious and not that serious.

[@sabaideebee]

Maybe the could've took some creative liberty, Karmid and Elmunn.

[@shinigami1357]

Vermithor: I am the bronze fury, I will burn and massacre everyone who shows an ounce of fear or trepidation, I will only accept the bravest and most courageous human Silverwing: oh, you’re alive? That works. Sorry for leaving my eggs there for you to walk into. That was my bad

[@Gigipretty64]

I love that the egg was bronze too..potentially a baby Vermi 🐲

[@ramirezmanuel117]

I thought it was dragon shit

[@shinespider]

@@ramirezmanuel117 We've seen before that the dragons store their eggs in dark, gooey, very hot mounds. We don't know how they make these mounds but... it wouldn't shock me if that was one of the ingredients.

[@pixiefh]

Makes you wonder why Rhaena never tried to claim Silverwing.

[@stephenforrest2978]

😅​@@Gigipretty64

[@bronmill33]

Silverwing was charmed by Ulf’s captivating incompetence and alluring boyfailure aura

[@Greeeenmoss]

"you look soo pathetic.... You should ride me" So real 😂❤

[@KumarAnshs]

Silverwing was charmed by Ulf because she misses Alyssane so much that she would take literally anyone. Vermithor chose Hugh cause his bravery reflected that of Jaehaerys. I honestly think Steffon Darklyn should have gotten Silverwing instead of Seasmoke… actually maybe nevermind

[@justalittlerest]

Honestly Ulf is shaping up to be my favourite character in this show. He just wants to drink and party with the boys, and uses his Targaryen lineage for clout and free drinks. Then bumbles his way into being a dragon rider. Truly a character for sad drunks everywhere.

[@bronmill33]

@@justalittlerestHotD really loves incompetent men stumbling upwards in society

[@kevincarter2020]

Newman has to much flow for pay as you go

[@Longshanks1690]

I adore the revelation that Saera was Hugh’s mother. It makes it all the more powerful that it was one of the unwanted bastard sons of the unwanted “whore” daughter that ends up claiming Jaehaerys’ dragon, almost like she’s still finding ways to slight her father many years on from beyond the grave. 😂

[@crimetimewithjess5366]

Yesss! Love that 😂😂😂

[@JDkitten]

I thought that too, but I remember that at the end jaehaerys kept mistaking alicent for his daughter wanting to make amends, and maybe vermathor can feel that and that why he chose her son, maybe it was more of a forgiving gesture other then a slight

[@atulbalaji1321]

I did not think of it that way, that’s brilliant

[@Savage-nv6wr]

You all are just pulling crap out of your ass , considering that Hugh ended up betraying Rhaenyra 😂

[@Savage-nv6wr]

You all are just pulling crap out of your ass , considering that Hugh ended up betraying Rhaenyra 😂

[@OkosHugPillow]

I think Larys is undermining Aemond's rule. He's deliberately sabotaging him because he knows he's out of control. Larys wants a puppet king he can control.

[@lindsay9838]

Was about to say this same thing but searched the comments first hoping someone beat me to it and glad I did! 100% agree, he needs the weaker, and more naive, of the two brothers to be in power so *he* can be in power. Not wanting Aemond to know about Seasmoke seemed like his obvious way of hoping something bad would happen if Aemond showed up during a battle thinking he had the upper hand and being surprised by more dragons than anticipated. Or doing something stupid in his fury like hauling ass to Dragonstone, only to be humbled by some big ass dragons who are younger and faster

[@bryden72]

​@lindsay9838 makes sense and tbh I'm here for it😂

[@robertzenniful]

She’s not trying to trap him,she’s trying to show him strength so there doesn’t have to be a war, there’s no reason to fight us any longer because you can’t win she’s trying to show strength

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

Definitely. Aemond would not promote him, so Larys is "picking his prince," as Machiavelli says, holding onto his best chance for further power. It's also probably a calculation just to keep Aemond from killing the messenger, given that Aemond is transparently a psycho!

[@kairosmvr1900]

I agree, which if that's true is such an interesting kind of power mongering and self importance. It's not enough for Larys to have climbed the political ladder and become Master of Whispers, one of the most powerful men in the world. He won't stop until he is Hand of the King, AND the sole puppetmaster of a king that he's wrapped around his finger.

[@Jon155mt]

You can tell Silverwing was just happy to finally have another human to fly with. She was like “Oh cool, I finally have a new human to claim!” She was so excited flying around King’s Landing with Ulf 😂😂😂

[@jwilson544]

​@Markone99 I hope that's how it goes. I'm really hoping we get a robin hood esque story out of ulf

[@docmk4049]

& who's riding her before?

[@notmocka]

​@@docmk4049queen alysanne, mother of vyserys and daemon

[@Drelam]

I was imagining him landing at the tavern and finally being the one to buy drinks for everyone and the whole tavern cheering and celebating with him and maybe even Silverwing takes a sip out of some huge beer cask. Haha anyways I love who ever the actor is and the whole scene with him and Silverwing.

[@John_Locke_108]

So happy for him. He seems like a really cool guy.. Same with the other guy. Great pickups for the Queen.

[@BionicleSaurus]

Vermithor and Silverwing both have some of the sickest designs out of all the dragons. The creature designers really got creative where it counted.

[@DJMilez]

Agreed!

[@littleoldmanboy]

@Markone99she kind of looks like a pride demon from dragon age

[@thefirminator]

​​@Markone99 i thought it was the cannibal at first cuz of the lighting and how black sw looked but then thought wait its too small to be cannibal then subtitles just said 'silverwing: (groans)'

[@coolremedy6969]

They are absolutely killing it with the dragon designs. Caraxes is still my favorite because of his uniqueness (I love his little leg wings), but Vermithor and Silverwing both look incredible. We get to see Tessarion next week who I know is a favorite of book readers.

[@iliaponomarev1624]

They kinda look like Syrax parents...

[@vectorshaman338]

Those dragon trainers really take the "Its been 2 days since our last accident" sign seriously.

[@jorgecortes3789]

The scene with Oscar and the riverlords was so cool that kid is goated. Also maybe a reach but i think the reason why daemon was so shocked after killing willem blackwood is because he sees himself in willem. All his life he's been his brother's vassal and gave him problems without thinking of the consequences for vyseris. But now he's in the position of the one in command and has to pass punishment to someone who is very loyal but also very problematic to him, like he was in the past. Daemon sees himself in willem and that´s why in the next scene sees Vyseris passing him the crown. You have the power you wanted, now you have to bear the responsability too

[@javierramirez7639]

That is a beautiful take that totally flew over my head nice

[@jwilson544]

I think its a little of that, but more that Willem is both the type of person aemon prefers to have under his command (loyal, ruthless, and unquestioning) and that he is a little embodiment of his philosophy that fear is how you rule. His moment with the river lords is a confrontation to all of that. The river lords love the tully's, not fear them. And oscar is molded by that love, being a surrogate son to grover tully. He's just as disgusted by daemon as the rest of them. So when daemon thinks this is a moment of a power grab, with Oscar seizing his claim, he gets whiplash when it turns out that this is actually a family dispute of grand proportions. Their love is far more powerful and efficient than daemons fear. And to daemon, far more terrifying than his cruelty. Daemons discomfort with Willem is because he is both what SHOULD have worked and would rather have rewarded than kill. Loyalty begets loyalty, mafia style. But the realm is not the mafia, a collective gang. The realm is..... well, this scene.

[@dev__adi]

That's my headcannon

[@McKeeNJackson]

Great take on that scene. I see how you got there too because the scene beforehand was him and his brother and vyseris was asking him if he still wanted the crown. He’s never had to lead and now he’s got what he’s had been seeking for so long that it may not be exactly what he thought

[@EMCeezy94]

Brilliant take. You've defo caught something there

[@doommuffin2663]

I love the little bit where Vhaegar was fighting Aemond’s command when he told her “No.” Vhaegar was literally like: “Nuh-uh! Bitch - OW - fine. I miss Visenya. She would’ve let me fight three dragons.” It’s like there’s still a bit of the first rider in the old granny.

[@notmocka]

"IN THE OLD DAYS ME RIDERS WOULD'VE FOUGHT THEM THREE HATCHLINGS- F I N E BACK HOME IT IS" This show would be greatly improved with dragontongue translators

[@misst1078]

Hilarious. Your comment wins. 😂😂😂 I was thinking the same. She was like I am too old to take me up for fake outs.

[@Nukefandango]

Love me rider Love me sleep Love me burnin' 'Ate other dragons 'Ate peacetime 'Ate the dornish (not racist just don't like em) Simple as

[@overlookers]

let Abuelita fight

[@Nukefandango]

​@@notmockaturns out they actually never shut up, and they are all remarkably immature

[@lukeh2556]

little did we know Jon Snow was just trying to claim an undead Dragon by shouting at it

[@timestimesx7535]

he'd save the season if that had happened

[@bronmill33]

bravo D&D, you’ve done it again

[@jessjess23brooks89]

Ah yes, the genius of GOT season 8. I'd almost forgotten.

[@SennaHawx]

No cap. A undead dragon still being bound to its rider would have been amazing

[@salvatore861]

i swear i wanted to say something about that, but i kinda forgot about it.

[@Here4Hummus]

Hugh was able to rescue a young female dragon seed from Vermithor - saving the stand-in for his daughter that he failed to protect previously. Nice little mini character arc.

[@NonGradedPass]

Great point.

[@John_Locke_108]

I can see that he's going to be a hero. They're definitely hinting at him being important.

[@BIastwave.]

Did they show his daughters death? How did I miss that?

[@realdaggerman105]

@@BIastwave. He and his wife talk about it earlier in the episode.

[@toottoot7316]

doesnt she get burned anyways?

[@daytrip_films]

Rhaenyra pep talking the bastards like Lord Farquad going "some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."

[@DamZ1428]

When she went upstairs she was in her "Let the Hunger Games begin" era

[@DWPL89]

I was thinking more of Black Adder and 20 minuters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bobPknR-mciFg8ksi=bzGuCOrPxCT0U-SD

[@Mirabelle479]

@@DamZ1428no fr she knew she had to do this and ignored her empathy, once she saw the slaughter tho her walls broke, she also doesnt look victorious in the final shot of the episode.

[@bigboydancannon4325]

​@@Mirabelle479excuses excuses

[@elifdurmus8243]

Ahahhahaha excellent comment

[@talusneedsalife]

Silverwing's in her "I can fix him" era And Oscar Tully is officially my favourite character - I love Daemon, but not nearly as much as I love seeing Daemon publicly shit-talked and humbled by a teenage boy lmao

[@buffysummers7887]

Alysanne's whole life was a "I can fix him" era, so it feels right that Silverwing would have absorbed that too 😅

[@mellow3995]

Oscar is my favourite Muppet as well, I knew the kid was secretly a GOAT

[@Themystergamerr]

I was genuinely scared for Oscar at one point when he was roasting Deamon

[@knuckle7804]

At this point I just want Daeron to be a completely off screen character that people just keep constantly bringing up all the cool shit he's doing.

[@merrittanimation7721]

"Daeron just went up North and singlehandedly defeated an army of ice zombies" "Neat"

[@Eyoballin]

They probably cut him originally and changed their minds, trying to shoehorn in mentions this season so that its not weird when he shows up season 3. Hopefully they do the same with Nettles next season but Condal seems really determined to paint Daemon negatively since they think he was too positively received season 1 so perhaps not

[@KlaraL-_-]

No, I wanna see him!!!!!!!!!!

[@rubbish_kat]

I love the idea that Silvering just thought Ulf smelled like a baby dragon because he stepped in the nest.

[@leykimayri]

And then rolled himself into dragon shit

[@misterkevinoh]

Thats my headcanon now lol

[@oliviac3077]

thats what i thought lol

[@rodrigovaccari7547]

If you completely ignore that dragons are way more intelligent than that, sure.

[@rubbish_kat]

@@rodrigovaccari7547 sir, have you heard of letting people have fun? I said I like the idea not that I believe it's cannon.

[@bellamaz1972]

It’s HILARIOUS that Hugh went through this harrowing, terrifying trial by fire to earn Vermithor and meanwhile Ulf literally stumbles into acquiring Silverwing by unintentionally making her think he’s her newly hatched baby 😂

[@welshboi2228]

Vermithor: "I'm mad, so I'm gonna burn bastards until one strong enough steps forward!" Silverwing: "Look at this silly little goofy guy!"

[@eileen_a_b]

Some women have a type 😂

[@Fabo100]

Vermithor and Silverwing were both so cool in their own way. Vermithor was like Smaug down for destruction while Silverwing was like “oh hooman, I like hooman. Let’s go play” 😭

[@headstrongsrk]

you disgust me

[@farrellviardisa1947]

Vermithor is a cat, Silverwing is a dog

[@pain002]

@@farrellviardisa1947honestly if cats were the size of dragons, claiming them would probably go as well as we saw this episode

[@Fabo100]

@@farrellviardisa1947😂😂 YES

[@WombatProphecy]

Hugh's bit about how "my mum always told me I was no different to Viserys and Daemon" does lend some credence to Jace's worries that the dragonseeds might decide to push their own claim. Excited to see where things go!

[@ryankwon8785]

It also shows how Saera was a good mother who is actually attentive to her bastard children. Her parents ignored her so she did not ignore her children.

[@joyfulgirl91]

⁠@@ryankwon8785I still need more evidence to come to that conclusion, or any conclusion at all about Saera. Narc moms love to tell a child they were born special, building them up and then knocking them down with not living up to their responsibilities when that is what serves them

[@senkardes]

Simon Strong's "Oh dear" during the argument was hilarious.

[@zizonesol]

Ulf's rizz got Silverwing actin unwise

[@abbykaiherau7539]

diabolical sentence

[@KristingusPorpingus]

People mad about the lesbian kiss arent ready for Ulf and Silverwing gettin frisky

[@BoadieBroadus3211]

He’s got a certain sweaty charm

[@HOTD108_]

​@@KristingusPorpingusLesbian? Isn't Emma D'arcy non-binary?

[@KristingusPorpingus]

@@HOTD108_ Rhaenyra Targaryen is a woman. Don't overthink this

[@pao_banaag]

"Whoa that guy is riding a dragon. Also, I definitely never cheated on rhaenys." -Corlys, probably

[@digge2210]

My SON*

[@sweettt321]

As soon as he found out the new dragonrider was someone who worked under House Velaryon he nearly had a heartattack because there are two people who are more likely than anyone else to ride a dragon and he doesn't want to explain why that is "New dragonrider!" "Oh, my. Who is this mysterious individual?" "A shipwright in Your Lordship's service, Lord Corlys." ". . . Oh- . . . Oooh . . . Oh, that's cool." "Are you well, Lord Corlys?" ". . . . . . . (In a tiny voice) I'm fine."

[@hillbillypowpow]

​@@sweettt321I bet he was expecting the other one

[@nefzitarek8662]

With a 15 years girl

[@MrOtistetrax]

@@pao_banaag Corlys might be my most detested character. Just a big, dumb useless baby.

[@coolremedy6969]

About Larys: I don't think he's deliberately undermining the Greens. I do however think he's deliberately undermining Aemond, because he can't manipulate Aemond. I think he allowed the riots to happen because it was all under Aemond as regent. Remember the conversation Dyana and Silvy have emphasizes that the supposed feast was held in honor of Aemond becoming the new Prince regent. I also think he clearly saw that there could be validity to the rumors about Seasmoke, he just didn't want Aemond to learn about it.

[@rayfinkle2662]

This is exactly what I was thinking. He wants to make sure Aegon gets his seat back as soon as possible.

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

It reminds me of Littlefinger, in that there are always these gambles. Aegon is in such bad shape that he might never be able to capably rule again, but Larys still backs him because he knows he's out of favor.

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

"Larys is quiet quitting" 🤣🤣🤣

[@ricebix]

@SuperRobertoClemtemte Also works for him if the Blacks win and he's still alive, he can say he went against the Greens by allowing Rhaenyras plans to succeed. Dunno if that's intentionally what his motives are but it's cool to think his plans work on all sides, to ensure he wins no matter what. Just as good as LF or Varys

[@joyfulgirl91]

@@coolremedy6969 I think to Larys there are not greens and blacks, there are only opportunities and obstacles

[@greysfan91]

I love that the dragon bond seems to boil down to “do you match my freak?”

[@carmacksanderson3937]

I liked that when he was in the cave with Silverwing and the bright light shone on him, Ulf's hair was a much brighter white than we had ever seen before. In the depths of Dragonstone, where Targaryens become dragonriders, Ulf's true heritage becomes plain to see

[@littleoldmanboy]

Good eye and insight!

[@itowilltube]

i noticed the silver over dirty grey blonde

[@arkarosh7043]

That last sentence is bloody poetic my man

[@carmacksanderson3937]

@@arkarosh7043 Thanks, my man, I try :D

[@govinddas7876]

I like the way you write

[@Cyynapse]

hugh throwing his life away for some random woman he doesnt know on sheer instinct made him MVP for me

[@DanteHellDrive]

Punched and took food from a hungry smallfolk tho.

[@traianbugus2072]

​@@DanteHellDriveTo survive and feed his family tho. Love how human he is

[@thewayfarer8849]

They'll turn it as 'ambition is evil', but honestly why shouldn't a guy like that be king?

[@grumpysphinx4911]

I'm wondering what happens to that woman. Do they just send her home with nothing but some new PTSD?

[@blackbenten]

@@traianbugus2072media literacy is dead.

[@carmacksanderson3937]

What we learn from this is that once you show fear you have already lost. You either gotta go balls to the wall (Hugh with Vermithor) or the complete opposite direction and go full acceptance of death (Ulf with Silverwing)

[@ShubertReads]

Addam ran away scared (rightly so) but that didn't seem to bother Seasmoke

[@Greeeenmoss]

Lmao its like either we ball or we bawl and there is no in between

[@carmacksanderson3937]

@@Greeeenmoss Ha! Well put!

[@minimumapature3361]

​@@ShubertReads Seasmome went after Adam so maybe it's the reverse on that one lol

[@ShubertReads]

@@minimumapature3361 Makes sense actually. If you run up to a dog, or act weird around it, it might get scared, but if a dog runs up to you, it's probably not going to care that you're scared.

[@jakubchalupa8510]

I would love it if Vhagar's and Aemond's connection made Aemond super sleepy and tired all the time

[@notmocka]

He suddenly wants a house at the beach and to knit a scarf

[@leebarbs7176]

And way too concerned about Dornish immigration despite living safely in the Red Keep

[@noegiard494]

​@leebarbs7176 Aemond waking up at 3am like "why do I feel like burning the Hellholt right now?"

[@tonichan89]

​@@notmockaNo no, Vhagar is the type of granny who's always carrying a rifle and having a cigarette stuck in the corner of her mouth

[@TheHonoredMadman]

Vermithor was awesome. And i like that hugh is a genuinely heroic dude, he saved that girl and he didnt do it for glory he just did it because hes a good dude, now i wonder if this newfound power will corrupt him or not

[@TheJorchMan]

Hey Madman, love your videos! Can’t wait for the next one

[@mavzer0]

The episode before this, I'm pretty sure Hugh pushed a woman over and stole her food lol Edit: *a man lol

[@TheHonoredMadman]

Thanks i appreciate it! the next one had a rather significant delay, but it should be up tomorrow. I always try to tackle too many projects at once haha

[@TreyDZd]

He's been shown to be a good guy in every way except that time he assaulted someone to steal their food, but I think you can even argue in favor of why he did it. I'm hoping he stays good but I got a nagging feeling

[@Longshanks1690]

@@mavzer0That was Ulf

[@AuroraJadefyre]

Silverwing recognised the charisma and gentle spirit of Ulf, which are similar qualities that her previous rider "Good" Queen Alysanne embodied, so it wasn't a complete fluke.

[@4Shaman]

The same way Seasmoke recognized the jovial, bold adventurous spirit of Alyn, like his brother Laenor

[@hellotroggy]

Vermithor's type is fathers who fail at raising their daughters 😶

[@jamie_d0g978]

@@hellotroggy LMFAO

[@misterkevinoh]

@@hellotroggy oh shit

[@meris8486]

Loved Oscar going from "King consort" to "prince" when the lords met

[@jack_kerins]

“Cat and Hugh’s daughter is dead which is pretty lame” love the delivery of that lol.

[@geof410]

The High Valyrian argument had to be so awkward for everyone in the room not studied up 😐😬🤣

[@GeronimoPlaz]

Kinda the point lol

[@jessjess23brooks89]

What a first impression. "Do you think these Valyrians always yell at each other and leave rooms so dramatically?" Well, actually I guess they do.

[@maurymalkovich8117]

I get the same vibe when immigrants don’t speak English in English speaking countries

[@SE-gs6gd]

Reminds me of Aragorn and Legolas in Two Towers

[@Jon155mt]

Aemond: “Let’s attack Dragonstone Vhaegar!” *sees 3 dragons waiting for them* Aemond: “Well on second thought…”

[@Just9n__]

4 actually

[@jessjess23brooks89]

"Come on Visenya. I like these odds. They're standing on our house."

[@Eiliestl]

​@@Just9n__ No!!!!

[@hijo1998]

@@jessjess23brooks89lmao

[@lauxantilles]

3 new dragons. Baby Syrax makes for 4. Vhagar is all that, but I don't know if shes dragon enough for a 4v1 lol

[@drewhammond5203]

Silverwing going from a single mention to one of my favorite dragons in the show in the span of about 5 minutes is frankly amazing writing and direction. Also I love that she's so carefree, like she knows that Vernithor is her man. Silverwing literally has big scary boyfriend privileges

[@IdunnoBroIjdk]

She actually used to clash with Vermithor due to their varying personalities.

[@drewhammond5203]

@@IdunnoBroIjdk yeah, but they bonded because of their respective riders both imprinting on them as well as the love the two riders had for each other. By the time of the dance of dragons, Vermithor and Silverwing have taken to nesting together and sleep coiled up even after being claimed by Hugh and Ulf. *Spoilers, but* Silverwing literally mourns Vermithor after he's killed. She goes feral and becomes enraged for a time. You can't tell me that isn't love or bonding.

[@rafiyumahmood2446]

⁠@@drewhammond5203ahh that’s mad cute actually. As badass Vermithor is, Silverwing seems to be my favorite. That flyover King’s Landing was on par with two new friends going joyriding

[@drewhammond5203]

@@rafiyumahmood2446 no lies there. She's got an amazing design too, so intimidating and yet so tender in her behavior. The CGI team did an incredible job making her feel real

[@aerynnkh]

what a great episode. 1. Oscar Tully is the goat 2. Daemon seeing himself through Willem and realising how much shit he must have brought upon Viserys for his dumb ways and how hard it is to rule, his line is so slow this season but so cool in terms of character development 3. Bad boy Larry bad boying, seeing Matthew Needham act is a joy 4. have to admit, I didn't care much about dragonseeds in the book but I really liked seeing them this episode 5. dragons claim their riders, they are cats, apparently

[@DanteHellDrive]

Talk about character transformation in this episode. Daemon has truly transformed I believe. No more that narcissistic cunt. Meanwhile, Alicent transformed into a fish this episode.

[@4Shaman]

You think Daemon saw himself through Willem? That is interesting, haven’t seen anyone else connect that

[@aerynnkh]

@@4Shaman maybe not himself exactly but the way he handles things and lets the worst take over him leading to his overlord (Oscar to Willem, Viserys to Daemon) having to make difficult/harsh decisions, and how Viserys forgave/saved his ass so many times instead of just ordering someone to cut off his head

[@nomurida]

Daemon seeing himself in Willem is a brilliant note. He has been forced to face his past. He's on uncharted territory and the people around him are properly challenging him and that's a first for at least a while.

[@MyShostak]

Oscar Tully is the goat? The black one in Harrenhal? Tully warg confirmed

[@buffysummers7887]

Alysanne was famously gregarious, not a socializer in the sense of a hedonist or party-goer, but in the sense of someone who was a natural social navigator and seemed to genuinely enjoy social engagement. Rhaena even once made the direct parallel of Visenya to herself (more serious, grim, and pragmatic) and Rhaenys to Alysanne, the darling of the family. I can definitely see Alysanne appreciating a good laugh, and that lightheartedness & playfulness carrying over to Silverwing.

[@staceyparkes6764]

Agreed I think that Ulf & Alysanne have a lot of similar traits - both can charm folks and I bet the Good Queen would have been kind and generous if Ulf had tripped in front of her, same as Silverwing was like “oh you silly human, you OK?” And nudged him like she’s a cat. I am already sad thinking about what happens to these gorgeous CGI kitties.

[@abhijeetshrestha1502]

@@staceyparkes6764 Atleast silverwing survives. Thats is one of the silverlinings for me.

[@Nobodycares678]

Words cannot describe how much I want a Helaena and Dreamfyre scene

[@thomaswillard6267]

I don't, I like to imagine that Helaena (being a Dreamer) was wise enough to see the dragons as being problematic. Maybe her dreams stem from her connection to Dreamfyre.

[@4Shaman]

@@thomaswillard6267When you put it like that, Dreamfyre is kinda on the nose, isn’t it

[@Sumyriaphantom]

I feel like her bond with Dreamfyre must be a bit more emotional/spiritual too. I really dont see Helaena caring to try to claim a dragon and face death. Which begs the question of how she bonded with her in the first place.

[@Shooshawali]

@@Sumyriaphantomthey’re probably going to show Dreamfyre as a skittish, awkward dragon to parallel Helaena’s own personality. It will probably be beautiful- perhaps taking on a hue resembling that of an oil slick on the surface of a body of water. That specific multi-color pattern which appears in the glint of the sun.

[@blodiaaa6990]

They'll probably be flying in a loop

[@rey2352]

The way Vermithor was peeking his head around corners and sneaking up on and messing with everyone definitely reminded me of the movie portrayal of Smaug

[@petrfedor1851]

He remind me Rexy in og Jurrasic Park and the couple from Lost World

[@carwyn3691]

We have two dragons left, Vermithor the Peasant Annihilator, and Silverwing the Sleepy Cat. Let's go see Vermithor first

[@lup1up]

Underrated mate, only real logic hole I've seen pointed out. But people be stupid all the time so it still checks out lol. These aren't modern scientists using the scientific method, after all

[@lup1up]

Like, we haven't been given reason to think why can't Rhaenyra ride two dragons. Vermy seems to respect her enough. Or even try the order of dragon keepers first before some random af peasants lol

[@kristofferwist8213]

@@lup1updragon bonds are up until riders death

[@TheBadasssnoopy]

Oscar became one of my favorite characters in the show in just one episode. Seriously, that whole scene with the riverlords is probably my favorite scene of the entire show it was so satisfying.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

I think Jace feeling deeply shaken by the seeds getting dragons is entirely reasonable. His mother's decisions brought him into a world of danger from the start. He's scared, as he should be. There's not much choice now, but it's understandable to be upset

[@simonmay1671]

From his perspective it definitely opens the door for endless succession wars. They're all bastards with dragons, when all have equal claim the dragons would be able to decide who rules next.

[@mellow3995]

​@simonmay1671 The way I see it, he is undeniably the son of the Queen. He's just missing the Valyrian parts, which was more of an issue for Luke than Jace. Also Jace's and Baela's child will unite both houses so everyone is happy. That's the the plan anyway.

[@simonmay1671]

@@mellow3995 But Rhaenyra was undoubtedly the daughter, and designated heir, of Viserys. She had a better claim than Aegon, but he was still recognised as king. I doubt the Greens would have made that move without Vhagar to enforce the claim. Dragons decide succession more than blood, legitimacy or oathes.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

exactly. his classism makes sense when you realize that he is currently the bastard with one of the smallest dragons.

[@mellow3995]

@@simonmay1671 I mean yeah I know. My comment was more about the logistics of it in terms of blood and the crown passing down. I am also watching this show and was able to pick up on the subtle scene where Aegon was crowned instead of Rhaenya haha

[@antoniodelgado91]

Dreamfyre was ridden by Princess/Queen Rhaena before Helaena. Dreamfyre is also older than Vermithor but is smaller as her growth was stunted.

[@jubalhendricks4756]

Ahhh you're correct the Queen in the East.

[@greeses5482]

I bet Ulf flew to King's Landing thinking "I'mma get so many free beers when the boys see this"

[@joshuahorwitz6458]

Possibly my favourite episode so far. I love how they are characterising the dragons themselves. You can tell that they’re not just Nuclear Lizards, but Nuclear Lizards with feelings, and desires.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

I think we just tell ourselves other things aren't sentient so we can live with ourselves.

[@neyragrat]

"Dreamfyre has only ever been ridden by Helaena" Rhaena Targaryen (Daugher of Aenys I) : Am I a joke to you?!!

[@staticobjx7232]

I like the idea that the "probable" bastard son of Saera Targaryen, the ultimate headache of King Jahaerys, is the one who claimed his dragon.

[@diannebdee]

I hope Alt will read this, but the reason for the season being slow is largely due to the North American writer's strike from last year. Remember the show went forward filming without writers in the writer's room and on set. And also remember after the writer's strike, there was the actor's strike so there were things the show couldn't do due to the various issues surrounding both strikes. I feel we were lucky to get what we've gotten, and quite honestly, it's been pretty damn good.

[@buffysummers7887]

Agreed. Every time I feel like a grumpy consumer slightly disappointed with this show, I gotta pause & be like: real people are behind the creation of this epic, and they needed to stand up for their rights so they could be compensated for their labor in this and other creations. Hell yeah and solidarity to them.

[@tom7215]

IIRC HotD wasn't affected by the writers strike since they were based out of the UK

[@sundaylibre]

@@tom7215HotD is a HBO show and I’m pretty sure HBO is an American network.

[@thomaswillard6267]

​@@tom7215Won't be as impacted, but still fairly impacted. I think it's pretty clear that a script went out from HBO in America that was underbaked, but the people on-the-ground in the UK were able to make everything in that underbaked script into something good. I would not be surprised if Daemon at Harrenhal was one such section, probably the pre-Dragon plot with Addam, maybe more.

[@ske_kt2048]

Hey, thanks for adding context! That actually makes a lot of sense.

[@loganarmitage15]

When Ulf stumbled into SilverWings eggs and silverwing Opened her eyes to Ulf seemingly coming out of her Eggs i think she thought perhaps that Ulf was her baby? Maybe thats why Silverwing nudged Ulf a few times

[@itskashkashi]

That was so adorable

[@notmocka]

That makes so much sense, she was in front of the nest, hears a crack and the UGLIEST baby seems to come out of it, while already smelling like dragon pit floor, must be mine!!

[@phobics9498]

@@notmocka Meh, we never really see dragons being protective of their eggs. Daemon just went up and took 3 unguarded eggs which Syrax laid and we don't see any sign of anger from her. I think it's just that dragons don't care that much

[@13rute]

To me it was more like her saying "Hey you be careful of those" and then she gently pushes him away from them.

[@tonichan89]

​​@@phobics9498Well tbf, her rider always had the hots for him, and we see Cyrax and Caraxes cooing at each other in season 1, so she's probably chill with Daemon

[@vjtheowl6091]

About the dragon sizes: It has been mentioned (I'm not sure whether in the books themselves or whether Martin said it in an interview) that dragon's need open space to grow properly. The dragons grew progressively slower (less) once the Targs commited them to dragon pits. That's why Syrax, for example, is so smol because she never hunts for herself and doesn't fly around much. And that's why Drogon is bigger than his brothers--he was the only one who got to fly free after certain point since Rhaegal and Viserion were closed indoors (in Mereen I think it was?) I'm surprised nobody remembers this little piece of trivia.

[@notmocka]

Plus it seems if their keepers are out of food, they don't eat in hotd times, danys dragon just started eating people

[@dicksmiggie1137]

Also the rebirth of magic in GOT whereas in HOTD magic is in decline

[@cjgray8825]

It is just an idea, much of Dany and her dragons is her figuring it our and no maesters to possibly try and slowly rid the world of dragons.

[@lup1up]

It's not quite that I think. Ppl who know the basic stuff know that. But they're saying even in relation to dany's 2 smaller dragons versus say syrax and seasmoke, there's a disparity in terms of size:age ratio In reality, which ppl understandably overlook in place of in-universe explanation because it is fantasy after all, the spectacle was what justified boosting dany's general dragon sizes so much. In the books, from what I recall they're much smaller. Obviously, we're also not as far along but not far enough to purely account for size diff. Ppl want big dragons. Hotd is trying a tad more in-universe-realistic take IMO so there's a slight discrepancy. It's fine, totally negligible to me, but still noticeable to us super fans.

[@samuelkatz1124]

Oscar gave a really good performance this episode. Gives me the energy of book age Robb Stark. He's young but knows when to play along with Daemon and when to listen to his vassals. Sure he'll raise the river lords, but not without making Daemon kill the Blackwood he's been working with

[@damienschutte3616]

Feels like book Rob was kinda rash and not a political savy guy, more of an warcommander. This Oscar fellow is more of a political player and the army stuff we have yet to see. Feel more like he has a lot in common with book dany or a certain gardener king I forgot the name of(who like stopped wars when he was 12).

[@rugvedtamhan]

Now it makes sense why corlys wasn't as furious as his wife when rehneyra had bastards.

[@joshthomasmoorenew]

I loved Oscar in the this episode, kid has stones. Also i can clearly see where the "Black Fish" gets it from.

[@brycearmstrong7582]

Just remember the damage GoT did to the more casual viewers, last night my wife said “targaryens are immune to fire arent they?”

[@MrOtistetrax]

@@brycearmstrong7582 yeah. Just like Aegon….

[@tonichan89]

😭 huwwww

[@XandriaSchwab]

I'm watching the Show right now. And I own the books so plan to read after. I heard that Danny's hair burned off in the books. Is that true?

[@KlaraL-_-]

@@XandriaSchwab Yes, after surviving the funeral pyre (because of magic, not Targaryen genes) she is a bit burnt and her hair is gone.

[@KlaraL-_-]

Yeah... I honestly get so annoyed, it seems like so many people have accepted that as the truth. Just like they think all Targaryens have silver hair and dragons. They have no idea there are so many people in Essos with silver hair and they get confused why Jon has dark hair etc.

[@traviscue2099]

This might be one of the best episodes this season, it flowed super damn well.. And the music 10/10. I was worried we would get a ton of episodes about claiming dragons/learning to use them, so glad it was done this way.

[@HarwynWhent]

I love that they chose to have all the dragons have different designs and not all be colored coded Drogon. Ulf and Hugh both had great scenes claiming their dragons. Very fun episode.

[@wolf-xf6hf]

10:15 i think its less that syrax and seasmoke are uniting though since they are literally kept together under dragonstone. Syrax would have seen seasmoke less than a day before this happened when seasmoke fled dragon stone to go claim adam so this is less the dragons meeting again after years and more seeing your roommate in public with a new friend after he had a long night out at the club

[@OgaLua]

i love that the dragons not only have distinct physical designs, but also distinct sounds. Caraxes with his whooping and Vermithor with his little croak before he breathes fire, it almost sounds like a piston.

[@TheHonoredMadman]

Silvering looked great too, the silver eyes and blued color did it for me

[@coolspider295]

She so pretty. I would have eggs with her. 🥰🦎

[@coolspider295]

@@TheHonoredMadman Silverwing does it for me too 🥵

[@Riff_Roll]

I swear everybody just forgot that Aemond completely slighted/insulted Larys last episode and Larys realized that he couldn’t control or manipulate Aemond directly. He’s getting pay back and undermining Aemond at every opportunity. It’s why Larys wants Aegon to stay alive and get better. He wants a Puppet. Larys used him and Aegon’s similar “afflictions” to manipulate Aegon. It’s also why Larys was so calm at the end when they hear a dragon approaching. Larys was not surprised because he had just heard that Rhaenyra may have more dragon riders.

[@DarkDebo]

The dragon keepers quitting might be a reason why the Targaryens were never again able to raise a dragon to full size after the dance…

[@rohanrajput_9]

Not all of them quit and Danny raised her dragons without any dragonkeepers.

[@jada9401]

@@rohanrajput_9due to blood magic- previous Targaryen have tried to hatch dragon eggs and it always goes wrong or the dragon doesn't grow and die young

[@shoople]

I saw someone say Silverwing and Ulf are in a “he makes me laugh” type relationship

[@Optimiss93]

I’m not ready for all these dragons to die in a brutal way I’m already so sad 😭

[@coolspider295]

I know, right! These dragons are so cute. I want to see them get pregnant and have dragon babies. 🥰😍🥰😍🦎

[@chantintin10]

silverwing pushing ulf around got me 😂

[@coolspider295]

They should have babies together. 🥰

[@hannahkimble6080]

This new episode felt straight out of Jurassic Park in the best possible way

[@SeanDuffy-s5p]

Ulf didn't step on Silverwing's eggs, he stepped on Schwilverwing's eggs. She hates that guy.

[@alexmartin3143]

Larys isn’t undermining the Greens. He’s undermining Aemond

[@justin.channels]

Did Alt mention that when Alicent was barefoot and being medically treated, a rat played nearby on the table? 🦶🐀💪

[@DanteHellDrive]

Larys LETSS FAKIN GOOO MATE!

[@alexmartin3143]

Yep

[@henrylupkes211]

He did

[@coolremedy6969]

Just throwing this out there: Kieran Bew, the actor who plays Hugh Hammer (Hugh Beesbury?) is 43 years old.

[@zizoumonk10]

Why does that matter

[@coolremedy6969]

@@zizoumonk10 He said in the video Hugh would have to be about 45 to be Braxton Beesbury's son, and he didn't think Hugh looked that old.

[@AntrozLPs]

The bird Alicent sees represents her freedom I think. Alicent is tasting the freedom of being outside her gilded cage. We've seen her suffocated by walls with windows giving the illusion of freedom. Now she's outside, free, under an open sky, because she's been stripped of the obligations of the royal court. I think she's feeling both relief but also a lot of regret and self-doubt over what she's done.

[@thewayfarer8849]

Ser Strong rocking the Sheogorath coat at the meeting

[@BlueMoonlight777]

Omg... You're right 😂

[@Benu54321]

He doesn't warg into the rats to discover secrets, he uses tyromancy.

[@adamcummings20]

BUTTERFLIES, BLOOD, A FOX, A SEVERED HEAD OHOHOHO AND THE CHEEEEEESE to die for

[@AdamTheGuitarist]

I mean letting the dragons burn bunch of targaryen bastards is also a smart move since you will now have less contenders in the unfortunate event of another succesion council

[@zanderwilll]

The sound design was on point

[@sentimentalsediment]

I like that the Bronze Fury was tamed by the Hammer, metal and smith

[@walnuthead]

My theory is Ulf is the bastard son of Gael(daughter of alysanne that killed herself upon finding out her bastard son was "dead", a year later alysanne dies too), Silverwing being the dragon of Alysanne realises this is the son of Gael and bonds with him.

[@govinddas7876]

this is the most convincing theory I've see so far good job! It would thematically make sense that Hugh gets his grandfather's dragon and Ulf gets his grandmother's

[@coolspider295]

My theory is that Ulf is Azor Ahai and will stop the white walkers.

[@melissaharris3389]

​@govinddas7876 he claims to be the son of Prince Baelor, Visarys and Daemon's father. Queen Alysanne would still be his grandmother either way.

[@coolspider295]

@@melissaharris3389 That is untrue. He is the son of Joe.

[@govinddas7876]

@@melissaharris3389 I know. I just dont believe his original story lol. Also he claimed to be the son of Baelon not Baelor. Baelon doesnt seem the type to have bastards. He was fiercely loyal to his wife. Their marriage was out of love. And he refused another marriage as well.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

I think in some ways you're underestimating just how chaotic a medieval city is. There's no way that the ruling class know the day to day going's on in a city of hundreds of thousands - government's don't even know that today with all of the surveillance that's available. That said, one would have thought that they'd have noticed the boats, but perhaps that could have been put down to fishermen because KL is relying almost solely on fish from the bay for food - Ulf complained about it last episode (or maybe the episode before it).

[@BALL_BUZZ]

Silverwing seemed more like a nice dragon complete opposite of Vermithor

[@Cruelrevolter]

He isn't called the bronze fury for no reason bro 😂

[@drewhammond5203]

Silverwing is such a puppy because she has big scary boyfriend privileges. The big girl definitely sleeps like Vermithor is her man, she doesn't have a care in the WORLD

[@nagoyen7292]

@@drewhammond5203not gonna lie to you bro, this has to be in the 10 most disconcerting things I’ve ever read on the internet

[@drewhammond5203]

@@nagoyen7292 feel how you want to feel about it. It's almost literally the lore

[@phobics9498]

@@drewhammond5203 Saying "silverwing is such a puppy", "she has big scary boyfriend privileges" and "sleeps like Vermithor is her man" is almost literally lore is a bit bold. We know that the 2 dragons liked sleeping next to each other and got along. Also what the hell does what you said even mean

[@jrund1355]

I like the way Syrax shrieks in anger at Vhagar, showing how close the dragon's bond is with Rhaenyra. And also that shot at the end was just _mwah_

[@jholt03]

I thought it was way cool and super heroic when Hugh called Vermithor's attention away from that woman who was hiding behind the rock with him just as Vermithor was about to cook her up medium rare and swallow her down. Clearly Vermithor was holding out for an honorable rider with balls and valor, a pretty rare combination in this medieval world.

[@potato4481]

This episode was so hype, from Oscar Tully asserting himself to the dragonseeds, it felt like a lot of buildup was starting to pay off and I loved it, had my jaw open in shock the whole time

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

Daemon's stay at Riverlands is just Texas Chainsaw Massacre; "Welcome to the family, son"

[@geof410]

So many good dragon noises 🐲

[@DelphiteHare]

I really liked Jace’s scene in this episode, it was so nice to finally acknowledge the elephant in the room and it was a lot more emotional than I anticipated.

[@Myuuchu]

I really liked that they put something like the "slow blink" of trust that cats do on the dragons here, like when Rhaenyra calls Vermithor and he finally calms, he does a slow blink and keeps his eyes closed for a while, and Rhaenyra does the same. Later Vermi does the same with Hugh! Also the dragon's noises became different in those moments, it was really well done, I really felt it 🥰

[@applebees563]

RIP episode 8 Q&A

[@eedoamitay3341]

The livestream that never was

[@PocketAces0119]

What happened to it?

[@nks1384]

Id like to think Ulf went to kings landing to show his friends that he actually got one.

[@JJandoONER]

I thought he was going to land at the Pub to flex on the homies

[@andrewlopezmp3]

It bothered me that she lined up all the bastards so close to vermithor that so many of them would cop collateral fire damage from him rejecting the front guy.

[@leebarbs7176]

Well has the added bonus of eliminating lots of Targs bastards

[@andrewlopezmp3]

@@leebarbs7176 haha true. It just wasn’t the most conducive to success. What if someone who could have been chosen as a rider was accidentally flamed?

[@leebarbs7176]

@@andrewlopezmp3 I imagine ALL of them coulddd have been chosen though lol that was kind of the point. Also at this point the only dragons left unclaimed are Sheepstealer (absent), Grey Ghost (barely ever seen), & Cannibal (lol)

[@olorin4317]

Same here. I guess there’s no Valyrian idiomatic equivalent of “don’t put all of your eggs in one basket.”

[@BEZERKSTUDIOS718]

I feel like this season might feel a bit slower to some people due to the lack of giant time skips as well

[@twinsen1949]

"Maybe". No dude, they've shown rats so often that it's absolutely obvious that god damn Larys *IS* the rats. All of them. I will eat my own underwear if he isn't. Also, owls oftentimes hunt rats. Some sort of Alys vs Larys being set up?

[@ShubertReads]

Can't believe the goat is a named character lol Del the funky capra hircus 🐐

[@GeronimoPlaz]

You gotta wash your goat, if you must

[@notmocka]

The contrasting tone between vyserys decay and the crowns shine is brilliant, love the internal struggle daemon is being forced to face

[@kfizzle5086]

Melinda’s red cloak reminded me of the scarlet letter which in turn I thought was clever as her whole mission is to find children born of adultery

[@pigpig252]

Honestly my favourite part was Oscar Tully. He seems like a great little lord, able to promise fealty to Daemon without looking weak or cowardly. If anything Jace might have thrown a spanner into the works by making a side-deal with the Freys

[@PTRNovi]

Jacaerys being upset about "commoners" riding dragons is declaring defeat prematurely. Maintaining control is about setting narratives. It should be trivial to say that these riders are proof of Jacaerys right to rule. It is a statement that a targaryen is a targaryen and the dragons know their own. It's also silly how he states that dragons are his only proof of lineage. No one doubts his mother is targaryen. And if this political movement is meant to legitimize women as rulers than this too can be used towards their aims.

[@diogog.fernandes6650]

It is not. His whole point is that a silver haired grandson of Jahaerys who rides Vermithor could easily usurp them, or be used by their enemies to hurt their cause. And surprise surprise he is right... giving weapons of mass destruction to people of no proven loyalty, turns out to be idiocy afterall.

[@PTRNovi]

@@diogog.fernandes6650 That makes sense. Feels less about legitamacy and more about logistics, though.

[@doctorajaguar]

The problem is that Jace IS a bastard, just like Hugh and Ulf. Jace is completely right.

[@PTRNovi]

@@doctorajaguar So they have no more legitamacy than him on that point, and he can say that he is the son of the queen, a fact no one doubts, or won't if the greens lose. With monarchy there are no true justifications, just crafted narratives. If the writers want people to be more convinced by uknown targ bastards than a direct line they can do that. In Jace's place I'd start writing the narrative.

[@melissaharris3389]

Hugh and Ulf also aren't just claiming _some_ Targaryan lineage. They claim direct parentage from a son and daughter of King Jaehaerys. If legitimatmized, they have legitimate claims to be in the line of succession. Hugh, in particular, should have been in inconsideraion during the Great Council of 101 as his mother was Princess Saera. He has just as much legitimacy as Jace as his paternity is questionable, but his maternal lineage is Targaryan.

[@user-ek8bl8yh9b]

The way that it was Orwyle and Larys helping Aegon to bed is such a cool detail for them to add...

[@galiksi]

I've agreed with basically everything you've ever said in your videos, but I strongly believe you're wrong about Ulf going on the joyride immediately after "claiming" Silverwing. The edit of the episode could have been clearer, but it's obvious enough that some time had passed based on Silverwing being fitted with the saddle, that Ulf was told to go to Kings Landing to lure Aemond to make him see that Rhaenyra had enough power to kill Vhagar now.

[@andrewlopezmp3]

Hmm. Not sure about that. The joyride itself would result in enough time passing for her and her new dragons to walk out to the shore.

[@JJandoONER]

I agree with you, but Silverwing already had the Saddle when Ulf first wondered into the den which I thought was weird for an unclaimed dragon

[@thomaswillard6267]

Yeah, that seems it was clearly "Send the smaller of the two non-royal dragons" with Ulf just enjoying it as he went. Literally all the other riders were waiting for Aemond to come out to Dragonstone.

[@mellow3995]

If it was a trap, they could have tried ambushing Vhagar. It does feel quite spontaneous but Silverwing flying around King's Landing does HEAVILY undermine the Green Side, which is nice.

[@melissaharris3389]

​@JJandoONER it doesn't look like they remove the saddles when not being ridden. Probably just adjust them as the dragon grows. Imagine having to saddle and unsaddle a giant, fire-breathing, nuclear death lizard regularly? Being a dragon keeper is already a perilous job as it is.

[@Longshanks1690]

This episode was spectacular, a huge step up in quality from the last couple which have just felt dragging and meandering. And while the ending with Vermithor was brilliantly shot, and is deservedly iconic, I think the standout scene was actually Oscar and the Riverlords. This kid was reading Dany’s “Oh I’m just a small girl who knows nothing of war” book to manipulate the conversation to make himself the most powerful and authoritative person in the room. So Daemon, for all his Targaryen bluster, is completely at the mercy of this child in his scale armour. A true masterclass in writing and acting from all involved. RIP Willem Blackwood, your sexual chemistry with Daemon was better than Mysaria and Rhaenyra. 💔 Jace and Rhaenyra was another standout scene I really enjoyed, because it does make complete sense that he’d be somewhat fine with his bastardry because he believes being a dragonrider is what will grant him the real legitimacy… something Rhaenyra is threatening to take away from him, another decision of hers that imperils his claim much like her decision to conceive Jace with Harwin in the first place. He feels powerless because he can see how this can all go horribly wrong, but they also don’t have another choice. Also, the Dragonkeepers were really neat. Their perspective on the dragons as being these divine beings above the petty concerns of men was really interesting and their fury at what they essentially consider sacrilegious blaspheming was really interesting. I wish we could have gotten more of them. And of course, the ending. Vermithor was appropriately terrifying and immense in his scale and power, you felt how imposing he was and what it would be like to even attempt to take this monster. Such a brilliantly executed scene. There was some silliness like Rhaenyra’s Massey handmaiden proudly wearing her house’s colours in the middle of the city, or the fact that Larys is apparently the most incompetent MOW ever given how he let this spread throughout the city without word reaching Aemond so he could burn the boats on their way to Dragonstone himself. And it doesn’t feel like it was intentional, it feels like they just let people get in and out of King’s Landing super easily once again. But overall, a fantastic penultimate episode and probably one of the top three episodes of the season. It’s a tough act for this finale to follow.

[@thefirminator]

i mean the scene with larys and jasper outright say that they r not completely loyal to aemond and there r theories that larys is a warg and weakening the green faction from within (removing guards during b&c and letting cheese stay in red keep after explicitly saying all spies r dead + the gold cloaks etc) but ill accept it is pretty silly for so many dragonseeds to just escape a lockdowned kl

[@littleoldmanboy]

I agree, despite Vermithor and Silverwing’s scenes being just awesome, just pure fantasy awesomeness that I watched with a smile all the way through, the Riverlords scene was fantastic and imo the single best scene of season 2. Oscar Tully is a gangster but I can’t help but think Alys had something to do with how that whole scene played out, she’s the whole reason Oscar and all the riverlords were there after all.

[@thomaswillard6267]

​@@thefirminatorMild Spoilers, but his eventual actions in the books don't exactly conflict with this.

[@4Shaman]

@@thefirminatorIF Larys is a greenseer, and Alys Rivers is his bastard sister, it makes a lot of sense. Larys would be like a twisted mirror to Bran. First Men houses from the Age of Heroes, disabled but with a larger part to play.

[@lesiakadam1977]

DRAGON SIZE - in the show it was explained that dragons that were rised in captivity (i.e. the Dragon Pit) were becoming smaller and smaller each generation and eventually they were the size of a dog. Daenerys' dragons were kinda free roaming.

[@gamerguy19981]

@lesiakadam1977 I feel like maybe it also has to do with how Daenerys' dragons were born. Her dragons were not hatched by normal means. They were born/hatched through a strange magical event/possible ritual. So maybe the magic involved with that event is what causes them to grow so large so quickly. Because even the dragons that were held under the great pyramid still grew large enough for Jon and the Night King to ride and be legitimate threats.