How a great mathematician and feminist icon was ditched in favour of a restaurant-owner

[@WillyEckaslike]

“The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth." - George Orwell

[@WillyEckaslike]

@UC_N4iGw4n0sEM2ynqK4v5aQ Landslide ..your excellent comment isnt showing up on the thread...when looking who GLR was i understand why haha

[@phillylarkin.s1930]

Everything will be erased again soon happens to every society and living thing history always repeats itself out of our control when then meteorites land again.🌅💥. Poww

[@Siggy_Hyluh]

" wiytz were erased, the erasure was forgotten, replaco-farcinog became the truth"

[@Siggy_Hyluh]

@@WillyEckaslike G. eorge, L. incoln, R. ockwell

[@scottishslander2856]

@@Siggy_Hyluh and the j#e@w organised it all

[@KevTheImpaler]

Her work with statistics was just one fraction of her achievements. She professionalised nursing and made it aspirational. Her work at Scutari was more hospital management than nursing. She redesigned hospitals. She campaigned for sanitation reform. She reduced mortality rates in the army in India from about 10% to 1 or 2%. She was ill for much of her life and did this work from her bedroom. Florence Nightingale was a giant of the 19th Century. Mary Seacole was a footnote.

[@phoenixobrien163]

One can't even say Seacole was a footnote. Running a restaurant to make money since when does it deserve even a notice?

[@phoenixobrien163]

@@DeepsongProductions -- I imagine so, as "gluten" wasn't even known about way back then. Certainly not to the general population. That would have made the restauranteur _cum_ brothel manager a time traveller from the future.

[@forthfarean]

Florence’s nursing methods were adopted world wide.

[@forthfarean]

Seacole did nor even consider herself black, she was half Scottish. She had harsh words to say about her black servants. You could say, or the lefties would normally say, Seacole was a ‘racist’

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

@@forthfarean and yet blacks do have this habbit of claiming these mixed people as black,just look at the meghan markle woman.

[@jakethekipper]

Seacole was to medicine as Lammy is to Mastermind.

[@spokes1018]

Sir, I present you with the best comment award on this thread 👏

[@markpavlowski7223]

A 'SOAS' graduate…says it all

[@djscoah8037]

Hahaha great - I’ve nicked that😅

[@Gill12283]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rbrowne2998]

If Florence Nightingale, Elizabeth Fry and Mary Seacole's contributions to humanity were displayed respectively in a pie chart, Seacole would be shown as the dividing line between Fry and Nightingale.

[@f1u1c1k-y1o1u]

Clever lmao

[@gregmoore167]

Jeez, that took me a few minutes to work out! I guess I am too politically focussed, rather than paying attention to logic! Thanks for the wake-up call, as it is worthwhile to look at things from a different eye!

[@mjef3695]

🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@staceyraven3058]

1. Unless you're an expert in this subject you cannot say this 2. The matter is subjective depending on what one values. It makes this debate idiotic

[@sjhoff]

@@staceyraven3058 so a brilliant medical professional who saved lives and revolutionized nursing is only comparable to a war profiteer because one is white and one is black, and the black counts for far more than one's accomplishment.

[@albert21able]

The distortion of British history is truly trecherous

[@wjf0ne]

"She was home schooled by her father," smirk. Well done Simon.

[@ShanghaiRooster]

In Florence Nightingale's youth, education for girls rarely stretched beyond making them "decorative, modest, marriageable beings" so kudos to her father for being farsighted in his attitude towards his daughter.

[@avipatable]

God I hope we come out the other side of this f*cking madness soon :(

[@senseofthecommonman]

There is no side, only the bottom that we are heading for

[@clarahudson8283]

Me too 🙏

[@garrettmarshall1288]

It’s black hole of distortion and despair. Be careful what you wish for because “coming out the other side” may just entail existing in a mirror inverse of reality…for perpetuity. Time is their greatest weapon. Do you know how much they can cause people to either forget or never know within just one generation? One day it will be: “Florence Nightingale? Florence Nightingale who? What achievements of hers? Oh no, THAT was the black woman Mary Seacole that achieved all those things. A “Florence Nightingale” never existed! Just check the history books. See? Nope. Not in there! Why are you attributing all these great achievements of black people to some white woman who never existed? Are you racist? Are you stealing their history again? Yes, I think your racist. Perhaps the Authority will have something to say about this. Now don’t you move. We will get you ‘straightened out’ real quick…..” That is what we have to look forward to.

[@christinedennison7770]

Just going to get worse with non stop immigration

[@phoenixobrien163]

*Will wonders never cease. To learn now that Florence Nightingale worked in the field of mathematics and elected a Fellow in the London Statistical Society. This should have been taught LONG, LONG AGO.*

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

here here.This was also unknown to me.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Probably simply a mistake. The RAYCISTS!!! of the time simply got Nightingale and Seacole confused.

[@althepalno1164]

I learnt this about 30 years ago when studying maths for my computing course. Surprised anyone interested in her didn't know this. It's easy to find out.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

You mean hear,hear.

[@skulptor]

Seacole was not interested in pie charts. Just the pies.Selling them.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Selling a different type of pie to officers too

[@richardwilson6392]

Sorry I am a pie Chartist

[@evaflowervines9520]

@@richardwilson6392 hehe

[@evaflowervines9520]

@@geordiewishart1683 oh yes!

[@georgehetty7857]

@@geordiewishart1683 Hairy?

[@williamtell6750]

"An awful distortion of history." Precisely.

[@goygoyim6443]

Brilliant history lesson. I hope this travels far and wide.

[@sirjosephwhitworth9415]

Secole, was as ever, just another black immigrant we could have done without. Florence was far better looking too.

[@bsport131]

Seacole not fit to clean Florence Nightingale shoes

[@theenglishman8668]

Not fit to wash her dirty underwear.

[@carolramsey6287]

I love the euphemisms 'restaurant owner' and 'establishments for officers and gentlemen' whenever Seacole is mentioned. I wonder if broth was featured on el menu and whether Mary Seacole was referred to by the French term for a married lady rather than that for a spinster.? It puzzles me as to why the race grifters think so highly of Seacole. She considered herself to be white and used a rather derogatory term which would have this comment instantly deleted were I to use it here for those of African heritage in her autobiography - bit of a racist by today's standards no?

[@theenglishman8668]

Oh! but you don't understand, as they're allowed to use words that are forbidden for us to use.

[@markpavlowski7223]

"rather derogatory term which would have this comment instantly deleted"....use the race card...just make it clear 'you's a rapper bruv' get a free pass...

[@jasonburris334]

It's not what she said, did, or believed that's relevant, but rather the color of her skin.

[@carolramsey6287]

@@jasonburris334 Not necessarily. Seacole considered herself white just as Meghan Markle could if she chose. Both of them are only half black after all. I have a friend who is clearly black and of Caribbean ancestry but she considers herself English and a Londoner in the original sense of the word and that's how I think of her. I don't have much use for racist pretend Africans like Marlene Headley

[@mjones4083]

She is the best they could come up with !

[@theenglishman8668]

That appears to be a common theme among those who would have no history if it wasn't for stolen valor, or no history at all.

[@mjones4083]

They have their own history but it is soaked in thousands of years of black on black enslavement,

[@NoahBodze]

What’s remarkable is that all of us have a time when a superior culture invaded us. You’re English, you’ve been colonized more than you colonized. But the Slavs who didn’t have writing until the 500s or the people of the Baltic’s and Scandinavia didn’t have Christ until 1000, they still had complex cultures before then. They had their own legends, gods, symbols ( though not writing ) and social progress. Subsaharan Africans had none of these things until about a century ago. They have no history but for what European and Muslims races noted, and they didn’t not much.

[@ElleMarble]

Here in the U.S the usual suspects are now claiming to be the original inhabitants of the Americas as well.

[@tappym9141]

There really should be a concerted campaign to have Seacole's stature removed from the grounds of St Thomas' Hospital, with which she had no connection whatsoever, and that it be replaced with one of Nightingale. After all, Secole's statue in not only, quite clearly undeserved: she actually achieved nothing of any measurable credit and it was only, ultimately, erected for the purpose of patronising her blackness. All the time Seacole's statue remains, it serves to perpetuates a lie; as well as being dismissive and demeaning of the truly remarkable achievements of the great Florence Nightingale.

[@nickmiller76]

@@occidentadvocate.9759 Or even just a bit of a light egging.

[@fredericksaxton3991]

As for her 'blackness', Seacole was only ¼ black in the first place. Half black mother with a white Scottish soldier father. Read Seacoles' Autobiography, she hated 'blacks', calling them a name that cannot be repeated in polite company.

[@tappym9141]

@@fredericksaxton3991 Yes. I have read it and concur with your comments. You will have seen her image then Fred. She is definately a negro woman and is, in any event, always described as black. But that is beside the point of course. It is the falseness of the contrived claims, resulting in an undeserved, and patronisingly misplaced statue at St Thomas' Hospital which is relevant.

[@mjones4083]

Couldn't agree more.

[@mjones4083]

@@fredericksaxton3991 Yes, funny how the "liberals" haven't cancelled her .(& I suspect Seacole herself must be spinning in her grave at being described as "black" )

[@georgehetty7857]

Mr.Webb, as another great British man once said….”It makes you proud to be British “ !

[@craphead9842]

SW is English I believe and not British??.... Tony cuenca

[@dontynan2256]

Not many saying that now unfortunately 😕

[@georgehetty7857]

@@craphead9842 I was referring to Winston Churchill having been informed about two gay men being arrested in a park together during a very, very cold winters night!😜

[@russpawson966]

@@ario4795 don't talk bollocks son.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

The English comprise one of the 15 dna groups making up Britain. The most widespread group. Covering SE England, the Midlands Yorkshire and the Scottish Borders up to Edinburgh.

[@snowysnowyriver]

Anyone that wants the truth should read ''Mary SeacoIe: the Making of a Myth'', by Lynn McDonald (the acknowledged world authority on Seacole's life). Whatever else she was (including being a brothel keeper) she was not a nurse.

[@phoenixobrien163]

When Simon said she ran a restaurant for officers, I had a feeling prostitution was involved.

[@Jezza_One]

POCs need heroes you cant expect them to relate to white people.

[@garethjudd5840]

And alas, the Royal college for nursing has a restaurant owner who poisoned her patient as a statue outside their building. 🤪

[@nickmiller76]

Surprised it hasn't had the Colston treatment actually. After all, it's legal now I understand.

[@rymkervic123456]

Media is drenched with positive dark-skinned images equal only to the dissolving and dismissal of white skinned. The response is mostly a tired 'whatever' from most whites... But for me, it's what is getting taught in schools that matters and, in that regard, it would be nice to see the facts being taught not ideologies.

[@occidentadvocate.9759]

Mate during summer Holidays of 2017 i was working as a maintenance man on a Large School in Blaydon North Tyneside. Baring in mind, back then the area was hideously 99% White. You should see the absolute anti Wyite sh*te that was being taught. The whole corridor had a montage of famous "Blaques" and their "contribution". The fake nurse Mary (Pie seller) Secole featured heavily. Plus many other non entities. They are indoctrinating our youth. The education system is Marxist.

[@harryeast121]

The Nightingale Society website is worth a visit for an evidence-based appreciation of her life and work, and a convincing rebuttal of the more excessive claims of the recent Seacole cult: "The Nightingale Society is committed to promoting knowledge of Nightingale’s work and its relevance in nursing, public health, hospitals, statistics and broader social reform issues today; It encourages scholarly work on other contributors to nursing and public health, especially to improve the diversity of recognized leaders; It will publicly defend Nightingale’s reputation when attacked, notably as by the campaign to replace Nightingale by Mary Seacole as the ‘pioneer nurse,’ at St Thomas’ Hospital; It advocates the fuller coverage of Nightingale’s contributions to society in school curricula".

[@georgehetty7857]

Thanks, I’ll have a peek👍

[@harryeast121]

@@georgehetty7857 There's a useful link to a sub-site dedicated to correcting misinformation about Seacole.

[@snowysnowyriver]

Anyone that wants the truth should read ''Mary SeacoIe: the Making of a Myth'', by Lynn McDonald (the acknowledged world authority on Seacole's life). Whatever else she was (including being a brothel keeper) she was not a nurse.

[@snowysnowyriver]

@@harryeast121 I didn't know that! Thanks for the info. I've long admired Lynn McDonald for her courage to document the truth and not the revisionist misinformation.

[@GreggFellows]

it says on the site "While it supports the inclusion of Seacole in the school curriculum, it does not support the pairing of Nightingale and Seacole, who made very different contributions."

[@TheJackal917]

Holy shit. Even myself, non british and born in Soviet Union, know about Nightingale, who established modern nursing and Fry, the Angel of Prison. Shit, our global society needs women like these but, alas...

[@chrisruss9861]

In Australia I was taught about Fry too. The women prisoners were calmed and regained their humanity with useful work and acquiring of new skills.

[@TheJackal917]

@@chrisruss9861 I bet you finished school in 80s or 90s, right? No way in hecc they teach today about such individuals. Oh boi, how do I wish to look through some history school books for, say, grades 5 through 9. I bet I'd be very surprised, in the most negative way possible.

[@chrisruss9861]

@@TheJackal917 Even earlier. If I recall correctly Fry had a Christian ethic which is unforgivable in a world of woke.

[@NoahBodze]

@@TheJackal917 How much of our history books were fudged? Why do you think our version of history was clean?

[@jerribee1]

Some remarkable women from the Soviet Union made their mark in the armed forces in WW2.

[@rosmundsen]

Thank You Sir for the voice of reason in these insane woke times.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Seacole. Half Scottish. A quarter black. A cafe proprietor.

[@talbenavraham1478]

Brothel keeper.

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

Considered herself white.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

A bawdy house. Yes.

[@pensans1]

One used a pie chart. One sold pies.

[@d.d.4703]

Soho Square in London has a blue plaque to Mary Seacole because she lived there for a while. The inscription reads 'Jamaican nurse and heroine of the Crimean War.' Only one of those three facts is true. I leave it to readers to work out which And, has anyone seen her statue outside St Thomas's Hospital - it is Saint Mary herself and dwarfs that of Florence Nightingale. Phrase 'gilding the lilly ' comes to mind.Big it up guys , why don't you!

[@NoahBodze]

Chicago has a house dedicated to a “journalist,” Ida Wells, who only lived there for a little while and, while she lived there, the neighborhood began to turn to shit. 100 years later and that part of town is all black and the Ida B Wells housing project has been both built with white taxpayer money to house blacks, been the site of a lot of murders, and been so poorly kept that they tore those projects down. That’s their hero - a woman who demanded black representation and showed us what happens when we get it.

[@jeffmoore4153]

We need someone like Florence to look at the statistics of injectables.

[@mariewalker4010]

I'm old Simon we were taught about Florence nightingale in school

[@mrsuperger5429]

Seacole sounds like one of those grifters we see every day on our television screen and in our newspapers.?

[@keltyk]

Woke myths live forever. Like the myth of the 'invited' Windrush generation

[@splendidprogress5221]

Does it matter now.... We were short of Labour after the war and these people endured tough times. We have more important battles to fight just now....

[@keltyk]

@@splendidprogress5221 gaslighting matters... and related myths about them 'building Britain' are part of the anti wh1t£ propaganda... Part of the baggage that says bI@ck people were always here in relevant numbers and the replacement in media and advertising of wh1t£ m@les in particular... So in the bigger picture, it matters. Everyone in the UK endured hard times during the War. There was no Blitz in the West Indies.. Life carried on as normal

[@splendidprogress5221]

@@keltyk I respect your point of view and mostly agree, what concerns me is this sort of 'agenda' to cause division in our society. I'd prefer our anger be directed towards the media and the odious idiots in charge who let this crap happen and take us for idiots....

[@keltyk]

@@splendidprogress5221 the division is unfixable. The only hope is for the indigenous tribe to protect one another. The Police are only interested in thought crime by wh1t£s. When the enrichment topples the welfare state we have to pass the hat round for the sick like in the old days. Try getting a GP appointment already

[@iant9461]

@@splendidprogress5221 It’s all part of the same thing.

[@georgeliquor2931]

Florence Nightingale was all about improving the lives of others, Mary Seacole was all about herself

[@billistefansson5309]

Your´at it again, hitting the nail on the head! Keep up the good work, there´s an awful lot of nails.

[@janetrichardson2644]

When I was a child in the US we were only taught about Florence Nightingale was the one who revolutionized modern nursing but didn’t know about her work in statistics. How can you compare the two?

[@phoenixobrien163]

What do you mean? Her work in statistics helped to change everything.

[@SoloRogueStudios]

It's pretty sad that Fate, a Japanese multimedia fantasy franchise known for playing very fast and loose with the historical and mythological figures it uses as characters, shows more respect for Florence Nightingale and her legacy than most mainstream institutions in the country she called home.

[@paulclothier2583]

I suspect that Mary Seacole was a likeable woman, who provided some much needed food and ales to the officers. It does feel like tokenism, though.

[@theenglishman8668]

Tokenism, there's that word again.🤔

[@NoahBodze]

There are countless stories after disasters about opportunists who sell there wares at higher cost but are presented on the news as great people but the people who really know her know her motives were hardly pure. This was probably one of those stories, then, that has since gotten out of hand.

[@johngallacher8847]

Interesting podcast. When I was young all we heard about Florence Nightingale was her exploits in the Crimea. Given medical knowledge at the time it is amazing anyone recovered from their wounds. Her exploits as a pioneer of pie charts is remarkable. I sometime criticise your work but you must be congratulated on this.

[@markxl]

When I studied mathematics in the 1970s we often used Nightingale's methods and the data sets gathered by the Guinness family.

[@lairdkilbarchan]

One popularized pictorial pie charts, the other peddled pricey pies.

[@theenglishman8668]

Probably spit on the white man's pie while he wasn't looking.

[@lairdkilbarchan]

@@theenglishman8668 Is that a euphemism? 🤣

[@philipbunker146]

I believe the Black Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) even had Mary seacole in an episode of one of its flagship propaganda of ethnic diversity programs “Doctor Who”

[@kevinkenny6975]

And Rosa Parks

[@WillyEckaslike]

“World history: There are two world histories. One is the official and full of lies, destined to be taught in schools - the other is the secret history, which harbours the true causes and occurrences.” Honore de Balzac 1799-1850

[@craphead9842]

WE history is written by the victors and may not be true... Tony cuenca

[@ashthebash66]

Thanks for the information. Excellent. I remember I had the ladybird book about her and you bought much of that back to mind

[@daithinolanskl1977]

I for one hope that Dame Judy Dench plays Mary in her biopic.

[@version736ha2]

Lenny Henry already has bagged the role

[@TPT6148]

Whoopi Goldberg as Florence Nightingale more like!

[@NoahBodze]

Cardi B as Anne Frank!

[@garypautard1069]

It is sad that statues Of MS are actually in the grounds of some hospitals.

[@typingcat]

I read Nightingale's biography as a child; I only heard of that Mary Seagull or something from this channel.

[@clonie9963]

Seagull 😂

[@kevinkenny6975]

Same here

[@robm8809]

Thanks to the BBC a great many of the nation's children have been misinformed with exaggerated claims about Seacole's contribution to history. Not only that, she was portrayed by black actresses when in real life she was only a quarter black.

[@NoahBodze]

I was once eating a sandwich by the beach and a seagull swooped down and stole it from my hand. If I were black and once set foot in Britain, then I’d have a huge statue of me, wouldn’t I?

[@robm8809]

@@NoahBodze "Famous environmentalist and carer for animals Noah Bodze altrusitically fed a seagull here in 1998, when all the white people were evilly killing seagulls whenever possible."

[@gregtaylor6146]

Errr Simon, I have David Olusoga on the other line ......shall I put him though? (Oh OK, do we have a wood-chipper on the premises?)

[@phoenixobrien163]

While I agreed with some of Olusoga's thoughts on Charles Dickens, he takes everything out of context to prove his black racist agenda point. David Olusoga has a black racist agenda of twisting everything around that ends up with "whites are evil". So no...hang up. When that phoney baloney race baiting devil grows up and gets off his black racist agenda, then maybe we'll speak with him. And we'd also like to see his wife fired from the BBC as another condition.

[@MightyElemental]

We were taught about Mary Seacole in GCSE History and were basically taught she was the better Florence Nightingale.

[@snowysnowyriver]

Seacole was a brothel keeper.

[@theenglishman8668]

Probably a pEcKeR cHeCkEr 🤣🤣🤣

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Yes. She appeared in 2002.

[@kevinkenny6975]

Utterly abhorrent

[@staceyraven3058]

I'm filing this under D for didn't happen

[@necrogressive466]

The delusion of fame knows no bounds Salford University has a faculty building named after Mary Seacole.

[@nickmiller76]

I was astonished that they were allowed to name the temporary Covid treatment centres after Florence Nightingale. I felt sure they'd have to be called 'Seacole Hospitals'. The wokesters really missed a trick there.

[@kevinkenny6975]

Deplorable

[@DrPowerElectronics]

I had no idea she was so accomplished. Thanks for this bite sized piece of fascinating history.

[@Zoydian]

This story with the restaurant owner being seen as of equal importance to science as Florence Nightingale reminds me of this other black lady who recently got a monument for being 'the mother of modern medicine.'' Both stories are equally outrageous and silly.

[@chet1921]

Are you referring to Henrietta Lacks whose blood, not her ingenuity, “was used to test the polio vaccine, develop in vitro fertilization, and several chemotherapy drugs among hundreds of medical advance’s.”?

[@johnsmithers8913]

Yeah, It was kinda like praising a sperm donor as being the father of modern fertility science because he sired thousands of babies.

[@gracecollins8415]

Restarurant owner is a euphemism, It was an ''Officer's club'' providing comforts suitablebfor gentlemen.

[@snowysnowyriver]

@@gracecollins8415 In other words.....she was a brothel keeper.

[@NoahBodze]

In America, blacks compare a ten-year period when a few junkies moved to New York City “The Harlem Renaissance.” It was, like, two black writers, a poet and a few jazz players. They compare the European Renaissance - see, I should not have to qualify “The Renaissance” as “European” - to what they did for n a part of NYC than no one who looks like them built and that they would progressively destroy over the next six decades.

[@evaflowervines9520]

Restaurant? Some say it was a bro- tell!

[@billy4072]

I'm hearing you brother/ sister lol.👌

[@simongross3122]

Strangely I did learn about Florence Nightingale's pie charts in a very silly novel where she was the nurse tending to the sick in hell. It was the first I'd heard of it and I didn't believe it at the time. Thanks for the clarification. There are many under-appreciated women in mathematics. Ada Lovelace comes to mind. Also Emmy Noether.

[@phoenixobrien163]

*This is primarily due to the Patriarchy that the feminists talk about.*

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

Dora Maar.

[@simongross3122]

@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 Really?

[@longjonwhite]

Rachel Riley, Carol Vorderman ...

[@simongross3122]

@@longjonwhite Yeah it's a shame they're more famous for being media personalities than mathematicians. But I guess that's the way it goes.

[@gregscarfe6622]

Thankyou for some new knowledge (for me) regarding her great achievements in Stats

[@aldebaran9255]

Today, it appears to be more valuable to be 'in' and with the current 'thing’, rather than take time to understand the truths of history. I've been looking at Columbus recently and I find channels like Simon's very valuable. Not that Simon has covered Columbus (at least I don't think so), but Douglas Murray has some powerful academics as guests on Uncancelled History to talk on subjects such as The Great Explorers, American history etc. They all say quite the contrary to what appears to emerge out of the MSM and narratives pushed out by some of our institutions. As a schoolteacher, this is important to me.

[@missasinenomine]

I grew up knowing about Florence Nightingale, thanks to Ladybird books. I had never heard of Mary Seacole until you mentioned her on one of your videos Simon. I wouldn't worry too much about her fame becoming out of proportion.

[@automotivel3501]

Yes you worry, if you have children, or grand children. They only learn that Blacks invented everything, despite the obvious fact, that very little has been invented outside of Europe.

[@version736ha2]

She has several hospital wards named after her

[@Kramp001]

And yet it's a statue of Seacole outside St. Thomas' hospital - and not, as it should be, of Florence Nightingale

[@jimskirtt5717]

With all due respect, you have no idea. Ms Seacole's 'brilliance'(!) is being promoted in schools. Where I live in Reading, a nursery has been opened in her name! A gross distortion of her is being actively promoted, and it won't be long before a major film is made about her. There is a statue of her at St Thomas' Hospital, Lambeth, London. The woman was a nutter, and worthless.

[@theenglishman8668]

However, she is casting a shadow on a woman of integrity by those who have a woke agenda.

[@Mike-tb5gj]

Here's one for people of my vintage, (in their 70's): The name Mary Seacole reminds me of the name given to Harry Secombe, in the "Goon Shows" of the 1950's......his main character was called, "Neddy Seagoon". It just sounds similar, that's all! Perhaps it's just me! There is a point to my reminiscence. I recall Secombe's amusing depiction of this fictional man with the same smile as I wear when hearing of Seacole's equally fictitious depiction of Seacole's pioneering in the medical field! As usual, the gullible (and the fearful) will be in awe of anything that BHM throws up each October, but those of us who know better simply smile knowingly, shrug and carry on, indifferent to its sheer hyperbolic absurdity. Maybe this October, she will be ordained as the "mother of rap"! It appears she was no stranger to grime! Crimea in the 1850's was not too clean! Now, to the nub of the topic. I was well-educated, but I never heard that Florence Nightingale was a true pioneer - in the field of mathematics! This has now urged me to research more and gain a true picture of all her achievements. I will not realise the same excitement at the thought of looking at Mary Seacole's adventures! This is not because I deny Seacole's life and the events involving her. I have read of her origins, her trips to Panama, then to London, her failure to be recruited in Nightingale's "team" and her subsequent business venture in the Crimea (along with the reports of her cures sometimes poisoning the wounded!) It is because I want to enhance my knowledge, not fill my brain with utter claptrap and the perverse re-writing of history. Wow! Maths + Nightingale! I never knew! I will never look at a "pie-chart" in the same way again! Thanks Simon!

[@GrimmGhost]

I'm sure I heard somewhere, at one time (likely during black history month), that the first pie chart was baked by a person of colour, and it was delicious.

[@NoahBodze]

One of my favorite things in the world to do is to remind black people that scots invented fried chicken. It’s so petty to point this out, but I can’t resist.

[@garyhart6421]

Seacole did not consider herself black and had a poor view of blacks.

[@keithadams1538]

Ada Lovelace is another woman who doesn't get the recognition she deserves. There is a developer academy named after her in Seattle. Ada Academy. They produce some of the best coders in the world

[@chet1921]

The pornstar?

[@keithadams1538]

@@chet1921 that was Linda 🤣🤣🤣

[@chet1921]

@@keithadams1538 😂😅

[@chet1921]

@@keithadams1538 I’m sorry I couldn’t help it. I’ll see myself out.

[@nickmiller76]

She has been extensively bigged-up in the past, but she's not the right shade for today's woke tastes.

[@keithharrison1453]

Protected species restaurant pies above pie charts? No contest, sadly.

[@varelion]

Mary Seycole was more a companion of the soldiers, being at the front with them, catering, caring and helping as a simple (not professional) medic at the battlefield. That's why she was so well-liked by the soldiers. She shared some of the hardships and dangers working at the fighting zone. So close was her linkage to the common soldiers that she even went looting with them in a russian city. So, she definitely was not a professional nurse and shouldn't be represented overdimensioned at the St. Thomas Nursing School, where she never worked. Her place was with the soldiers, whom she cared for, and that's how she should be remembered.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

More like the Reverend Tubby Clayton at Ypres and Poperinghe. Toc H.

[@B123-s4j]

I thought it was the brothel that kept them happy.

[@misterpurple4089]

Perhaps Mary Seacole is the greatest example of the entire world being Blue Pilled.

[@fredneecher1746]

I doubt Mrs Seacole was working class. She seemed to have plenty of money to invest in gold mine options and to travel about the world on her own, and never disclosed in her autobiography where all this money came from. And she was not black. She described herself as only a shade darker than the fashionable olive colour favoured by rich London ladies at the time.

[@theenglishman8668]

"She described herself as fashionable only a shade darker than olive colour favoured by rich London ladies at that time" 🤣🤣🤣 In that case, I choose to describe myself as a young Arnold Schwarzenegger.🤣🤣🤣

[@occidentadvocate.9759]

She was known in the racial Parlence of that time in the West Indies as a "Quadroon". Obviously means she was a quarter White. Her father was a Scottish fellow. Her Mother a "Mullato" half white - Half Black. There was a Racial hiarachy in the region back then. These mixed Types looked down upon the darker people. That sentiment is still widespread in the region and elsewhere, but never reported on.

[@rjcs2000]

What does it say to be so desperate for a hero? Lacking?

[@longyx321]

I remember some stamps featuring Florence.. 1960's

[@phoenixobrien163]

I watched a program the other day entitled something like *Brothels of the Wild West Gold Rush.* Prostitutes know how to make money. Running a restaurant with black female waitress prostitutes is a no-brainer. It gave a lot of insight into the world of brothels. I bring this up because apparently Mary Seacole ran a brothel.

[@tonymccaul7159]

Well there's an objective for you, to remind people of this fact.. Also, why not enquire from relevant organisations, council for the status of women, medical council, etc how Florence Nightingales contribution in these areas can be brought back to light and rightly acknowledged.

[@jonfitz2278]

Absolutely brilliant spot on Mate

[@peteratkinson922]

Mary Seacole prefigured George Orwell by over 80 years with her insistence that 2+2=5.

[@MrWindermere123]

I did hear of Mary Seacole long ago but she was described as a camp-follower - a person running a food stall for the troops and for profit rather than a restaurant. She has since emerged from her obscure position as a footnote in military history because, as Mr Webb says, she fits the requirements of modern-day anti-racism. There may be others who will be rescued from oblivion in this way. Call it revisionism if you like, or perhaps reverse discrimination.

[@stanleymmcgregor196]

She was also giving favours to soldiers add that to her past

[@occidentadvocate.9759]

Some call it "Revision"? I call it what it really is... Complete invented Bull sh*t!

[@michaelgarrow3239]

Na- just plain old racism..

[@snowysnowyriver]

Anyone that wants the truth should read ''Mary SeacoIe: the Making of a Myth'', by Lynn McDonald (the acknowledged world authority on Seacole's life). Whatever else she was (including being a brothel keeper) she was not a nurse.

[@gracecollins8415]

@@stanleymmcgregor196 Officers only.

[@KilMichael]

Can anyone explain how both Britain Pm and the Irish Taoiseach have a combined 3/4 ethnic Indian . Does that strike anyone strange especially as they are in control of a border neither seem to have any interest in or any historical connection to just to start with yet would this be accepted in India and Pakistan say ... That’s just a piece of hay in this amazing haystack of circumstances!!!

[@kevinkenny6975]

I agree sir

[@wandpman]

And Leeky Leo not a bit of Irish blood in him!

[@tombrunila2695]

In the 1850's Great Britain went to war against the Russian Empire! At that time Ukraine and Crimea had been conquered by the Russian Empire! They were conquered and annexed by Catherine the great!

[@lesliekime7567]

I sat down ready to eat my tea and started this video. It consisted of a pie and what did you start talking about?, pies!!! How eerie is that? Do I win £5?

[@senseofthecommonman]

Strange, I was sat on the toilet and there he is talking shxt. Another coincidence.

[@alexneigh7089]

0:35 "Ukraine" was first created in 1918 when Russian Empire disintegrated and existed for a couple of years, and then once again "Ukraine" was set up as a state in 1991 when the USSR disintegrated. "Invaded Ukraine in the 1850s" is equivalent to saying "invaded the USA in the 1350s": US was created in 1776.

[@tombrunila2695]

Ukraine did not cease to exist when it joined the Soviet Union. It became the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. In 1945 it was one of the founding members of the UN!

[@alexneigh7089]

@@tombrunila2695 It was part of the territory of the Russian Empire before 1917 and then part of the USSR between 1922 and 1991, not as an independent state, similar to the German Länder. Russia was pretty big with a lot of various territories, like the Mid-West or the Southern States in the US. Ukraine literally means "Frontierland"; there were several 'Frontierlands' in Russia as it expanded eg to the east and south; Ukraine was one of them. By any account, "Ukraine" could not be invaded in 1850s: it did not exist, the territory at that time was called "Malorossia" (literally, 'little Russia'), and the term "Ukraine" (as it applies to a country or a state) was unknown to Russians or anybody else. "One of the UN founding members" (along with Byelorussia) was Stalin's trick to get two more votes for the USSR in the UN.

[@tombrunila2695]

@@alexneigh7089 , it was independent enough to be one of the founding members of the UN in 1945. And the status of it as part of the Soviet Union is in no way comparable to the German länder.

[@NoahBodze]

@@alexneigh7089 Your metaphors don’t work. Germany could not be invaded in 1802 but German people could. This internationalist idea we have about the world is recent; and we’re still rather parochial. Whether Ukraine as political entity existed or not, the people of the Black Sea and the people who lived in Russia have long fought. You don’t actually think Nazis fought the Soviet Union over the discrepancies between National Socialism and Socialism in one place, do you? They fought because Germans and Slavs have always lived near each other and fought. You’re letting the anachronism of a political name erase the reality of people living in close proximity and fighting.

[@alexneigh7089]

@@NoahBodze To clarify and summarise, do you think that in 1850s Crimea was inhabited by "Ukrainians" (and/or was the territory of "Ukraine") and GB invaded and/or attacked "Ukraine"?

[@nationstolemyrobots]

The popular teaching of history in the UK barely mentions Nightingale's work as a statistician, which is a pity when you think of the efforts in promoting STEM qualifications and careers to girls nearing the end of school. HB may have read into it but Joe Public doesn't know that side of her.

[@formicapple2]

Correct! the London Borough of Haringey, in the 1990s decided to replace the old Tottenham Library and relocate to the location of a new sports Center at Tottenham Green. A Black Marxist book shop nearby became involved in a renaming campaign for the library. The library is named, the Marcus Garvey Library. A reading of his writings (some of which I agree with), contain much racism designed to divide the Community. During Black History Month, the bookshop was heavily involved in the library. Amoungst the many lies and misrepresentations, Mary Seacole’s work was promoted, despite the proven research of Nightingales legacy to nursing and statistics. Any objection to Florence Nightingale being erased was met with accusations of racism both from the Library Management and the bookshop. Lies, disinformation and distortions of facts are being promoted by political agitators who hate people and supported by politicians and managers who are terrified of loosing their jobs.

[@stevenhorn5106]

Aah yes, Florence Nightingale... Mary Who? 😁

[@magic1968]

We need a pie chart to see how our proud history continues to be manipulated to an agenda.

[@talbenavraham1478]

And a polar area map to show migration into the UK.

[@michaelvojkovic544]

A Flock of Seacoles

[@georgehetty7857]

🎵If I had a photograph of you……..🎵

[@vasilypugh696]

I've really learnt something today. Thank you for that. Is there a good biography you would recommend about her?

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Lyn MacDonald the WW1 author did a good one on Seacole in 2014. For Nightingale go for Mar Bostridge or Annie Revell

[@vasilypugh696]

@@stephfoxwell4620 Thank you - will look into that. I enjoyed the Mary Seacole autobiography.

[@andrewegan7011]

Florence also lived a long life,

[@mr_sheen_asg]

Ffs I really don't want to quote George Orwell again 🙄

[@TheLeonhamm]

As indeed is the case of Miss Martha Clough, a hand's-on nurse .. who learned the skill, art, and science of nursing the hard way - by doing it (rather than supervising how it is done, or being motherly in providing care). As for the French care of the casualties - of battle, disease, and mental trauma - one might as well know nothing of their hospitals; or the influence of the oddly efficient French supply system, including medical supplies and administration. Yet a staggeringly high proportion of deaths during conflicts was still through disease .. even into the early 20th century. ;o)

[@targetedlondon]

black history month has been extended to an all year celebration

[@leonardgibney2997]

There's a film saying we couldn't have got to the moon without the calculations of three black women mathematicians at NASA who were forced to use separate toilets a long distance from their work stations.

[@Parawingdelta2]

But see, she was white, and even worse than that, she was British, so her name can't possibly be allowed to contaminate the progressive thinking of our current generation.

[@IUsedToBeSomeoneElseX]

"Florence Nightingale... Her social reforms... advocating better hunger relief in India. " -- Wikipedia.

[@jayturner3397]

Pie chart?...wow I actually learned something at school 😆 🤣

[@debeeriz]

mary also made pies popular. meat, served with gravy and fruit served with custard

[@paulmessis1094]

This isn't just a gender issue, the is a bigger issue....forces are actually against humanity.

[@judythhulford182]

The first Prime Minister of Canada was replaced on the $10 by a lady that didn't want to pay the fee for a better theatre seat, raised a stink and was asked to leave. 🤷‍♀

[@roncouch]

Those who strive to distort history come up with the same old, same old arguments, but amazingly, no one in authority ever seems to challenge these claims. I wonder why?

[@d.d.4703]

I never knew Florence Nightingale was also a ground breaking mathematician but l did know that Mary Seacole was the founder of modern medicine!

[@phoenixobrien163]

"the founder of modern medicine"? I assume you are being tongue-in-cheek, but you need to stop that lest someone believes such nonsense.

[@rogeralsop3479]

Excellent man.

[@donfatale]

For those who don't know: Mary Seacole's father was Scottish. Her mother was half-caste. (From her autobiography).

[@gregbock6669]

Simon could you start posting a link to the thumbnail image in the description. They are sometimes important and would like to see them more clearly. Thanks!

[@fredmercury1314]

Feminist icon? She was taught mathematics by her father, once again proving that "behind every great woman is a great man"... lol

[@orsoncart802]

Simon, I agree with you on the sidelining of Florence Nightingale in favour of that waste-of-space chancer, but pie charts and other means of displaying date are not mathematics. More generally, statistics itself is not mathematics although, like physics, it *uses* mathematics.

[@f1u1c1k-y1o1u]

Displaying data can be seen as mathematics, as displaying data in pie charts can be seen as a kind of mapping of a histogram (or bar graph) to a circle. Data visualizations require pure geometry, a field which most math is built on thanks to Euclid and others, and analytic geometry, a field given to us by Descartes and others. We take these charts for granted now sure, but they aren't as trivial as we think as humans mostly didn't use these visualizations for long periods of time. Probability distributions come from areas of calculus, numerical methods, and real analysis, so it's fair to say that statistics is mathematics, although statisticians are not mathematicians, as well as physicists not being mathematicians, etc. I don't know math and I'm unable to use logic. So this may just be an opinion.

[@orsoncart802]

@@f1u1c1k-y1o1u Displaying data in a convenient visual form is certainly very useful for an instant overview but it constitutes mathematics no more than traffic lights do. But then most people think mathematicians spend their time “doing sums”, only ones much bigger than those handed out at school, so … well, I’ll leave it at that. By the way, very few would know what *real analysis* is so I was surprised you mentioned it as you claim you “don’t know math”. Odd. Indeed, in my long experience (I’m in my seventies), raising any topic of mathematical content in polite mixed company-even when it consists of well educated, professional types-makes one as welcome as a fart at the dinner table. In short, let’s just agree to differ here. By the way, if you change your mind about knowing some mathematics, then given that you mentioned him, Euclid is a good place to start. His ‘Elements’ were the standard text for boys in the 19th century. You can get all thirteen of his books in three volumes as translated, with excellent commentary, by Sir Thomas Heath as free PDF downloads. Just do a search. I’d provide a lιnk but you-know-who-choob doesn’t like them. Here’s clue though: R Kive dittyd0τ 0яg. Similarly with Walter Rudin who is good on all sorts of analysis™, real™ complex™ and functional™.

[@f1u1c1k-y1o1u]

@@orsoncart802 What a wonderful response. I've been looking for someone to give good advice on this subject, so thank you. I didn't get into math until very very recently. It was something I feared most of my life. Regular classroom mathematics can be stressful, especially on exams. I'm not gifted in the subject. Part of the reason why I'm trying to study math now is because I have neglected learning the universal truth of logic for most of my twenty something year old life and I have a desire to learn at least a part of this universal truth before I die. I'm not a mathematician. Math is more purely true than anything else; for it is the only thing that can be proven. Every day feels like I'm losing more and more grip with reality and truth in general. I strive for a grip on reality. Having Euclid's Elements far back, your comment is helpful, but I have not been able to appreciate the proofs he gives as most geometry taught in today's schools is analytic and use number systems. That is what I'm accustomed to. I was taken aback from the use of numberless, axis-less, and non-analytic geometry he uses to prove things! However Euclid's discussion on the factors of composite numbers and primes was more interesting to me, as the natural number primes can be used in hobbyist computer programming problems to solve many indexing problems by decomposing numbers into primes since recently I've learned that primes form a sort of multiplicative "fake-basis" in the set of natural numbers. That is, primes can't touch each other under multiplication, having a multiplicative property like orthogonality which is really useful for some of my programming tasks since you can decompose naturals into a unique set of primes. I'm afraid to touch Rudin (Or even the precursor Baby Rudin) as I've heard even undergrad Rudin is really advanced. Its on the list of texts I want to eventually read. I am still working with Spivak and Stewart Calculus, and on occasion, Blitzer's algebra to refresh on essential algebra skills. My math and logic skills aren't very strong. But I'm more interested in working though a 1960's text on complex analysis as I've started the subject before school graduation but haven't worked through my current book years afterward. Did you have readily available personal computers back in your day? I find they are really valuable in checking answers to problems. You mention Real Analysis, do you know about the mapping of the extended real number line onto the projective real number line? The way it works is that you use a line at the top of a circle at the origin to map all of the real number points to a projected line which can be seen as a circle, including real directed infinities, which become a single real projective infinity defined at the point where the line is parallel to the real number line. It is a conformal mapping of a line onto a circle, and it demonstrates how even visualizing a problem differently can lead to some profound results. You can define division by zero, and the circle had the property that the upper half and lower half are multiplicative inverses of each other, which is really neat for a certain class of problems, and becomes even more useful when extended to the complex plane, forming the conformal Riemann sphere. It's amazing how much math happens when depicting a line as a circle. You may argue that pie charts aren't math, maybe you're right. But I truly respect that Florence Nightengale's pie charts are really impressive given that they can be seen as mappings that preserve some unique and useful aspects of bar graphs and histograms. They aren't to be scoffed at. We take them for granted sure, but there's mathematical value in visualizing things in different ways. Thanks for the comment and if you have more book recommendations send them.

[@orsoncart802]

@@f1u1c1k-y1o1u Firstly, excellent! You’re doing well and are on the right track. Yes, mathematics is tops! Keep at it! 👍😁 In my day we had only log tables and slide rules but not calculators - office clerks had them but they were clunky, hand driven mechanical devices that were only good for the basic arithmetic operations, i.e. “doing sums”. In any event, calculations of that sort weren’t necessary. In fact, I despised them and still do. A necessary and tedious chore unless programmed. And then we only had mainframes and coding sheets, no personal computers. In any event in the final years at school I never needed to do any arithmetical calculations beyond those that one can do instantly in one’s head, and even less at university! The joke is that mathematicians need only three numbers: 0, 1 and ∞. But you might have to chuck in the odd ℵ a la [le?] Cantor every now and then! 😁 If you’re acquainted with the Riemann sphere, as I see you are, then you’re doing very well indeed, but especially for someone who claims to not know mathematics! On the contrary, you know plenty already and far more than most. As for advice, I suggest you contact your local university’s mathematics department (or pretty much any university’s). Trying more than one institution would be a good idea. In my experience, admittedly a long time ago now, they are very helpful and only too willing to provide guidance and recommendations. A lot depends on your particular interests. As you are no doubt aware, the choice for study is very broad and no one can cover it all. I’m in no position to give that kind of advice but it was nice of you to ask. In the end it’s really all up to you. Do it while you’re young too. Getting old in that game isn’t much fun - you’ll find you’re never as sharp as you were. I know, sadly! 😁 Anyway, best of luck to you. Oh, one last thing. Modern textbooks (of the last century or so), especially the classics, are fantastic and modern notation is best. I’d use those rather than reading the works of the originators which I only ever read out of interest in the history of an idea or set of ideas. I find them fascinating nonetheless. All the best.

[@saiello2061]

Outrageous.

[@theenglishman8668]

That word says it all 👍👍👍

[@gregorydoran2777]

The country has gone insane.

[@lorenzbroll101]

To cut a long story short the charts & data are very difficult to manipulate too. Maybe that's the reason they want them to be buried - along with Miss Nightingale?