How A Public School Beat Harvard And Yale To Become The Best College In America | Forbes

Public universities deliver the most outstanding education to the broadest range of students at the most affordable price. That’s the message of Forbes’ 2021 ranking of top colleges. Using a new methodology that counts low-income student outcomes and adds a giant federal database to Forbes’ tally of graduate earnings, for the first time ever, Forbes has ranked a public school, the University of California at Berkeley, in the No. 1 spot.
Harvard, unseated from first place, is a distant No. 7. There are five other publics in the top 25 including three UCs, the University of Michigan and the University of Florida. Forbes put the list together in consultation with higher ed consultant Michael Itzkowitz. See here for a complete methodology, here for a story about what makes the University of California great and here for a piece about the weirdest year in college sports.
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[@slappytheclown5577]

I think what Harvard and Yale have to offer that most colleges don't is proximity to power and influence. You are essentially paying for a spot to go to a small summer camp with the children of the American elite, some of whom could become your friends and future colleagues. Maybe the economic deal isn't as good, but the potential social capital is unmatched.

[@nathanielsablan2474]

@@MFillmore I mean Berkeley is competitive with ivies on any list lol

[@destinilund4771]

I thought Stanford and MIT were better than UCB. If you want power, George Washington University is good but ranked very low.

[@destinilund4771]

Odd because Stanford poke at UCB programs as inferior and worse studemts.

[@grokker99]

Companies need to stop hiring based on colleges attended. This is the only way to stop the perception that harvard grads are the top candidates.

[@atianfirebolt8125]

If that's true why are the students doing worse in the real world? Have you even watched the video dude?

[@nickstoli]

For top tier students, it doesn't matter what college they go to. Nothing will stop them from getting the best education possible. But for everyone else, it's better to go to the best school you can get into. Since your peers will have a huge influence on your studies. The smarter your peers are, the more you'll get out of your studies. At least in theory.

[@ayoubsbai6339]

I agree with this on a fundamental level. Speaking from experience here~

[@sandilekubheka9140]

I agree with this 100%

[@Talkwithtina808]

Well said

[@anthonymiesel4151]

There's actually some evidence that this is not true. There is a TED Talk that elucidates this, but the jist of it was that being at the bottom of a top tier school is worse for your future academic prospects than being a top student at a low-caliber school, even though on paper, the top tier school student is better. The theory is that being at the bottom of a top tier school makes them feel much worse about their abilities because, despite being better qualified than most students anywhere, they are surrounded by people who are better than them. Obviously there are more ways to measure student success than papers published or something similar, but it is worth noting that you should be in an environment that is stimulating but not discouraging.

[@l1mbo69]

@@anthonymiesel4151 so basically a balance.. like with all things

[@matthewadner4463]

Talks about Berkeley, shows pictures of Stanford

[@dez-m]

I know xDDD

[@Hunter-ue3ny]

If you want prestige, go to Stanford. If you want rigor, go to Berkeley. If you want to start the 2030 global financial crisis, go to Harvard or Wharton of UPenn.

[@matthewadner4463]

@@Hunter-ue3ny why is this a response to my comment?

[@Hunter-ue3ny]

@@matthewadner4463 it's a joke

[@karld1791]

Stanford has pretty gardens. Their undergraduate enrollment is very small and exclusive. They should be using that extremely expensive land to give more students a world class education and silicon valley connections instead of gardening. Their tax exempt status should even be threatened if they don't grow their enrollment to fulfill their tax exempt mission to educate.

[@harrisonwintergreen1147]

Thomas Sowell said the best thing he learned at Harvard was to not be impressed with someone just because they went to Harvard

[@jordansteele7700]

@@MFillmore oh brother

[@mp517q]

@@MFillmore that’s not his point lol. He would’ve said the same thing if he went to both Princeton or Yale

[@parthkanani7323]

@@MFillmore whooosh

[@destinilund4771]

That's because Harvard grads are more confident in their skills from 4 years of grade-inflation, that extreme confidence made them delusional on performance. The skill gap difference between Princeton, Harvard and Yale is thin, but Princeton has grade-deflation pushing students to perform better while re-eveluating egos. Professionally, the Princeton grad is bit insecure and would study company's documents with practice while Harvard grads' free A+ made them falsely secure.

[@jacob9673]

@@destinilund4771 by that argument the graduate from a top state school is even better- look at engineering at Berkeley, Michigan, etc.

[@LexBryanTech]

Criteria: Alumni Salary (20%) Debt (15%) Return On Investment (15%) Graduation Rate (15%) Forbes American Leaders List (15%) Retention Rate (10%) Academic Success (10%)

[@huydao5205]

When alumni donation and class size are no longer a factor. Then game changes. Not to mention, next year, the admission rate will significantly go lower due to enrollment freeze so it’s getting harder to get in. Perhaps, in couple years, Berkeley may end up with a single digit admitted rate.

[@Hunter-ue3ny]

What does it mean "return on investment" in the context of college ranking? Like how much donation their alumni are giving back to the institution?

[@nopeno5520]

@@Hunter-ue3ny probably how much you pay for the school and then how much you earn afterwards

[@phantomstranger1125]

The debt and return on investment are what make UCB so high. They should not be 30% when looking at purely the best school. If those weren't considered, the top-tier private schools would still dominate the list.

[@INICK84]

@@Hunter-ue3ny I would say it’s that, publicity alum bring to the school, and the debt they pay have to pay down to operate the school.

[@indexcards9414]

Yale received an "F" for how it treats students with mental disabilities.

[@yahyawasim1994]

Oooof, ELI5?

[@samchitgopekar8530]

most people going to Yale do not care how they treat students mental disabilities.

[@yahyawasim1994]

@@samchitgopekar8530 Yeah, privilege is shielded from struggle and live a whole live of cushy comfort. They then face a small problem and because they're so sheltered, it's such a "big trauma!" for them

[@samchitgopekar8530]

@@yahyawasim1994 a lot of them are on finaid and minority students. sure there are rich spoiled brats. but at this point in time it is unfair to say the ivy league is purely elite. plenty of people with bad upbringings on campus.

[@Oongaboongabigfatdoggy]

@Lawrence Whitfield true, but that’s an even bigger reason to help those who are ! I mean, imagine the struggle of having a learning disability and getting into a good school- and then going there to not be given the help you need

[@claytonlynch6288]

What? College as a monetary investment and not an experience driven life event to reminisce about years later as you still pay off an insane debt load? What a concept….

[@ryanmurdock2232]

UC Berkeley is stingy for Out of State financial aid. It's a little misleading, and the school gives far less need based aid than the ones following it in the list. It's not much cheaper than Harvard for out of state students.

[@VHale-yz7hc]

@@ryanmurdock2232 then don’t try to go If you’re out of state. The states tax dollars goes toward supporting the students of that state, not pushing out in state kids for out of state places

[@Abdul-bk5fj]

@@VHale-yz7hc missed his point entirely. They talk about low income students but only cater to in state students. Forget out of state, forget international(both of which Harvard agrees to meet 100% of financial need for). Berkeley cherry picks their low income. Harvard does it better in meeting the needs of low income students as a whole. That is why it’s misleading. It’s like saying they cater to women but then it all just one nationality

[@edwink1467]

@@ryanmurdock2232 This is true. Though to be fair, it is a public school funded by California’s tax payers (in addition to tuitions collected), so you can’t expect them to use those tax payers’ money to subsidize our-of-state and international students that much. Schools like Harvard and Yale are private schools that charge $60K+ a year from many of their students’ affluent families and have huge endowments to heavily subsidize the tuitions of low income students regardless of where they come from.

[@Hello-zf5lq]

But I paid frisbee and sack with my dorm mates on the grass my freshman year..!

[@thinusjacobsz840]

I love that the metrics they're using a real-world concerns that are relevant to an average student's concerns when selecting a college.

[@richardberman6694]

I’m not sure that Berkeley is the number one college in America but I certainly don’t think that the US News ranking is correct either. Berkeley is truly a powerhouse and I’m my opinion a top 15 to 20 school, which places it among the elite. For certain degrees it’s better than the Ivy League and computer science immediately comes to mind.

[@huydao5205]

For undergrad, except STEM, then yes, it is in the range top 15-20. Next year, it’s admission rate will even go further lower due to enrollment freeze. For grad, it beats all Ivy except Harvard which I think it’s on par.

[@SwissOnZ]

Yeah. I hate to join this debate but we are clearly living in a post-truth clickbait era. Specifically in the area of law I have found multiple occasions in which alums from Berkeley, Davis, and Santa Barbara have been in clear violation of federal law to which they should loose their accreditation. Alumni networks and slinging inflated money doesn’t a better product make.

[@BrendaGarcia-ty2ml]

The 15-20 line I’d believe years ago. Not anymore - they provided data and how they measured it.

[@bryanceballos1296]

Key word in your response is that you’re not sure. If you’ve done your research like Forbes clearly did, you would be sure that Berkeley is world class and deserves to be ranked as #1 for many reasons than I have no time to regurgitate.

[@georgebrantley776]

@@bryanceballos1296 As a Berkeley student there are so many aspects of the school's infrastructual quality that I find much issue with, from infamously bad food to shoddy internet and malfunctioning buulding access cards. A university isn't just a group of lecturers broadcasting to students; it's a community and environment of learning. By that second measure, Berkeley is lacking. In any case, the instruction at Cal varies quite widely by course. Some have clearly organized plans of attack for the semester while others seem to be haphazard agglomerations of related topics. While many professors and TAs are great, some professors speak much while saying little; oftentimes courses attempt to cover too much in too little time. Like any other school, Berkeley is full of faults. At the end of the day, it's a motherlode of much resources (some highly conducive toward effective learning), but it is not some incredible teaching facility compared to other top 100 colleges. Above all else (but not singularly so), students make the college. In this measure Berkeley does quite well.

[@RichardRjmccoy]

Showing Stanford when talking about Berkeley. Who made this video?

[@robs6177]

I agree. Its like showing Alabama while talking about Auburn.

[@katherineamelia98]

they also said UC Santa Barbara when they meant UC San Diego

[@TheMultisportGeek]

My daughter started at CAL this year. It’s academically very tough but she is loving it.

[@jessicagarcia6361]

Hi! My daughter is also a freshman at Berkeley and loving it!!!!

[@huydao5205]

I am also a new student here. The courseworks are rigorous. I met the most talented people in my class. My professor are from all over other schools: PhD in Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Berkeley itself… their workload is almost impossible to catch up. I feel I am failing hard. But I also love every minute here. Most people here are kind and willing to help others, not as toxic as I thought it would be. The college town is diverse and truly amazing. I guess Berkeley professors supposed to break me down before they build me up.

[@TheMultisportGeek]

@@huydao5205 You will be OK. Don’t worry. Study hard and get that degree!!! Great job on this accomplishment! CAL is a wonderful institution!

[@dannyrios2004]

As a member of the class of 2025, I can assure you that your daughter is in good hands. The boys and I are taking good care of her.

[@kaitlyng7850]

Really? I’ve heard it’s absolutely awful at Cal and extremely toxic.

[@jakemoseley1811]

Berkeley is better at creating social mobility. My family income was low. I graduated from Yale and went to graduate school at UCLA. Big public schools have large class sizes. Most of my classes at Yale had fewer than 20 students, many had about ten. Very few undergraduate classes at Berkeley are that small. That makes a difference. Berkeley is super fabulous in many ways. But it’s not the best college in the US. Many small colleges, like Williams, are better for undergraduate students. Class size is important.

[@tondaniraluswinga2590]

I agree with that (class size)

[@VHale-yz7hc]

This is so a personal opinion based on what you like than any real data

[@jakemoseley1811]

@@VHale-yz7hc V Hale, yes it is. I have opinion based on zero actual data.

[@tanyarawat9700]

How much finaid did you get from Yale? What were your stats, EC's and major?

[@jakemoseley1811]

@@tanyarawat9700 @Tanya, Yale does not consider finances in deciding who is admitted. All admitted are given enough to attend. My dad was a sergeant in the army. Before Viet Nam military pay was very low. So Yale paid everything but required me to work 10 hours per week to pay for personal items. My verbal SAT score was 637 but I had 800 on advanced math, 775 on SAT math. I graduated second in a class of 237. My school suggested I skip my junior year so I was 15 when I took the SAT. On a little test administered by the American Mathematical Association I had the second highest score in the state. I did get a $1000 interest free loan from the Army which I just put in the bank. With savings plus the $1000 I bought a new VW bug after graduation, total cost less than $1900, which I drove to California for graduate school. I made pretty good money one summer selling encyclopedias door to door. I really really believed in encyclopedias!

[@leoasuming2537]

Finally the recognition they deserve!!

[@nofurtherwest3474]

To give it "best school" based on Pell Grants just doesn't sound right. It could be called "best school for lower income students"

[@JamesJoyce12]

The irony is that the school can't even pronounce its own name correctly [George Berkeley]

[@ivanferraz8914]

I am from Brazil and I am really proud that I was accepted at Berkeley with a fellowship from Brazilian government. I was also accepted in Oxford, Harvard, University of Texas at Austin and Columbia, and I chose Berkeley :).

[@heha9752]

Yes yes yes! The Ivys… honestly, while the educational quality is fine, you are paying more for the name than the experience. From what I have found, Berkley and other high end public schools (UT, Mizzou, CU Boulder, UIUC, etc.), have departments which are world renowned and many students are dedicated. At the end of the day though, college is what you make of it.

[@okoony2011]

And their facilities tend to be way better.

[@ToucanMoment]

I think it's too late to say this but. In my opinion, people go to top tier schools like MIT,Stanford, Harvard and the Ivy League schools because of the networking. Many big corporations and companies like Google,Facebook...etc seek graduates from these schools and they hold a lot of events in those schools too...

[@sydneyfessenden6119]

Berkeley is def a school that google recruits from tho… it’s practically known for having its graduates go to Silicon Valley just like Stanford.

[@bluehotdog2610]

Nah, that isn't really true. Most people who go to those schools never end up coming close to working in those major companies

[@sydneyfessenden6119]

@@bluehotdog2610 It definitely depends. As someone who goes to Berkeley, there are like 30 business clubs who all have tons of alumni go into those companies every year.

[@paelie]

Cal's grad schools are definitely top tier along with HYP and the likes. Undergrad's still another story though. At the end, go to which school you like; what matters is that *you* thrive there, which might not happen at all "brand" unis. Obviously money plays into it as well since in-state will be cheaper for Cal.

[@Pcarnevaaa]

“ go to which school you like” Yeah about that… $$$

[@paelie]

@@Pcarnevaaa Gotta get on the loans. I have a friend who went through med school purely on loans and no job/scholarship. She was constantly filling out paperwork and having to plan her life months and years in advance, but she did it. Yes, it sucks and you have to weigh what this type of education is worth to you and whether you can hack it.

[@sahildis1]

just graduated from berkeley and i can say berkeley really prepares grads and if ur ca a resident the price for what your getting can’t be beat. literally all of the people i knew in college either got into prestigious grad programs like medicine or dentistry or each make 6 figure in tech consulting or finance. great school happy to see it get the recognition

[@teedeww5049]

In Indonesia, best universities tend to be public schools :)

[@stellamarisbalansag2707]

Same here in the Philippines.

[@dudabrands]

Same in Brazil!

[@santosibrahimnoor5683]

Stanford for Indonesian

[@scrubs3050]

same in India!

[@rrtt6903]

can you tell some names plz, for indonesia, philippines, brazil just good to know. i am from india here its IITs, NITs, NSIT, DTU etc

[@spinningcuckdick]

Guess Harvard got too comfortable...

[@Retrosenescent]

Nope just too expensive

[@siper1686]

Harvard is now literally for rich kids, you can be the highest achiever but some rich kid gonna be above you.

[@Hunter-ue3ny]

@@siper1686 What? No. Money talks only in the admission process. But when you are already in the system, is all about academic.

[@U2willB]

Typical. Coasting off their name

[@phantomstranger1125]

More like Forbes is valuing debt too high. When talking purely how good a college is, the wealthy private schools still dominate. Berkeley is only this high bc Forbes' criteria includes a 15% debt category, which is pretty irrelevant to how good a school is.

[@larry7898]

UC San Diego instead of UC Santa Barbara (in the 4 UCs among top 25) :) Regardless, excellent video and thank you for taking the time to walk through. I'm so glad there was an emphasis on low-income student outcome, bravo!

[@vongoudom196]

No doubt, I have worked with a Hawaii Law (U)-educated human rights lawyer, whom also graduated from Berkeley. Our teams consisted dominantly faculty, graduates, senior lecturer and fellow from Stanford University. By experience, I have always put Berkeley at the same level as Stanford. Where I graduated in Cambodia, the director and her team of the LLB program are some finest graduates and professionals from Stanford University. I have never been to both of their campus, but by having worked with them, I believe my professional, educational and life success would have been similar.

[@rihad7833]

top universities are great. but the thing i realized later is that. top tier uni's just take top tier students as well. even if they were given the similar study curriculum in other places they will eventually excel anyway. its way easy to teach people who already found the joy in learning, its hard to teach them who haven't.

[@ayushapoorva]

Berkeley is like an angel investor for international students I have heard of a lot of instance where they have given full scholarship which is very scarce with big wigs of academia like Harvard and Stanford who keep it limited to really high achievers admitting. Glad to see someone recognizing the ROI part of education.

[@solusthedummy]

This is very false. The institution has no need-based financial aid, only very limited merit-based financial aid. Harvard and Stanford give both merit and need based financial aid, and Harvard is need blind for international students.

[@ryanmurdock2232]

@@solusthedummy Harvard doesn't give merit based aid, at least officially.

[@solusthedummy]

@@ryanmurdock2232 yeah mb mb. the point still stands tho, harvard definitely gives much more aid than Berkeley especially to international or out of state students which isn't just little it's virtually zero.

[@BeepBoop14]

Berkeley hates their international students 😭😭

[@AbelZachariah]

If you go to Yale or Harvard and don't network. Might as well don't go to there at all. These places allow great opportunities to network for the future.

[@Asertuddvghs]

That’s what’s wrong with USA. Networking is not equal to quality education

[@korswe]

There is zero grade inflation at UC Berkeley for science and engineering majors. Probably grade deflation.

[@zl6198]

Totally. Everyone in Ivy leagues has a 3.5 or higher.

[@jyc313]

100%. I attended cal and an ivy, (undergrad, grad respectively) and cal classes are notoriously rigorous. Looking back, I appreciated that.

[@auroragood3611]

What about the number of full tuition scholarships that top tier schools give (no need for Pell grants)? That would skew the data

[@jackbarry8847]

Should check out schools with co-op, ex. Waterloo, Northeastern, etc.

[@FireFoxGaming56]

May I know your guys’ opinion on UVA?

[@chalkisplacebo.6697]

honestly for top tier students in there field MS&T takes the cake, it is miserable but the turn around from 7k a semester to 90k at first paycheck is well insane. It has 95% job placement rate before graduation. UC Berkeley was 61%

[@user-cf8ki8wc1c]

the community of people from professors to students specially in the public health department is just "love"! I miss them truly.

[@claudiavela6990]

I agree...a university main goal is just not to graduate students to show high graduation rates...The goal is to also help students find good jobs, if any, once they graduate and follow up on them.

[@rawbertyu]

As a UC Berkeley alumni, GO BEARS!!!

[@kshitijpatil684]

Amazing what hard working people can achieving.

[@parimtm]

Rich*

[@aswadmalik1740]

Big ups to UC Berkeley!!

[@thomasmorrison3279]

The most important thing is work ethic. Second is the major you study (i.e., whether it is marketable). Third is the school that you attend. I went to N.C. State University. I got the same title and pay for my first paid job as two other guys who went to Stanford and Dartmouth. I just paid 1/3 of the tuition price that they paid.

[@chigasaki06]

Very true. My friend attended NYU for grad school. VERY expensive. He got a great job, but his co-worker attended CUNY (City University of New York), which is a public institution, and he graduated with the same degree but paid a third of the price.

[@NicholasDunbar]

Just be careful to not confuse education with training. If you tie education too much to money the university system becomes a producer of people with skills more than a producer of open-minded, broadly educated thinkers.

[@shiranfernando5640]

Good thought on the metrics that have been considered

[@aniketprasad3128]

Sadly though, UC Berkeley takes 140 dollars to apply for its graduate school. And MIT/Caltech has waivers 🥺

[@aliciaroberts3965]

Go Bears! I'm currently in my first semester and it is definitely all it's cracked up to be (and more). Academically rigorous but so so fulfilling.

[@dez-m]

Same here! I am studying MechE and Math and it's crazy difficult but also very stimulating. I needed this change of pace :)

[@Citi2en_V41n]

you won't think that if you get bad grades. Get back to studying. Also, try not to fall too much to the temptation to take a bunch of easy courses alone to get super good gpa by sacrificing quality of your education.... That said, in order to get a quality education, you will be in a course that only takes 3 hours homework per week, thinking about the class you spend 12 on, and a peer next to you will have only those 3 hour per week courses....

[@blackbaron2572]

What are you majring in?

[@aliciaroberts3965]

@@dez-m For sure! It's constant learning all the time

[@aliciaroberts3965]

@@Citi2en_V41n This may seem ironic but I really don't view my grade as a reflection of the quality of my education. While there may be correlation between a low grade and a poor education, I find that even if I do get a bad grade I take it as an opportunity to see what went wrong in my understanding and fix it. I do study a lot so yep will be getting back to that shortly :)

[@jamessquare]

Pick the school you want to be #1. Then make up a set of criteria by which that school is #1. Pretty neat.

[@JudeMarchisio]

Get someone on the Internet triggered about something that completely doesn't matter

[@MasterAraid]

@@JudeMarchisio he probably went to some school ranked below uc Berkeley here 😂

[@jackgalloway2124]

@@MasterAraid well if he went to any school it would be below Berkeley, because BEARS #1 babyy

[@MasterAraid]

@@jackgalloway2124 FAXXX GO BEARS!!!

[@uprightape100]

Berkeley ran the Manhattan Project when no other organization could, and now has given us CRISR-cass9.

[@mckinseyand2022]

That's why we love Berkeley and UCLA...

[@JamesJoyce12]

if you're going to be an engineer - go to your state school and you will get an excellent degree - if you're gonna do womyn's studies go to the best possible school because your degree will get you absolutely nothing

[@paulcrooks3742]

Berkeley always a elite college

[@espakol21]

The belief that Harvard vs Yale is on top is so 70s-90s... Since the 00s, it's always been Harvard vs Stanford, East vs West...

[@sherlyn.a]

🤨

[@dannyou2043]

Yale>Harvard

[@coffeemug3009]

Thought it was Greendale.

[@dzhorselover]

So proud of my alma mater!

[@premanand7803]

Hi Can anyone suggest me an affordable/good college for masters in Computer science in USA

[@huydao5205]

San Jose State University and Cal Poly San Luis Obispo are great schools for CS. They are also a feeder of Silicon Valley. Just make sure when you do your time there, do research/ intern/ other extracurricular/ make connections, don't just study books and get a good grade. The tuition there is half of UC schools.

[@vainavichilukuri5547]

Top Tier: Berkley, Georgia Tech, Carnagie Mellon Amazing and easier to get into: UIUC and UTD

[@huydao5205]

@@vainavichilukuri5547 they are in tier 1 but not affordable for an international student (assume he has no offered scholarship).

[@Karuska22ps]

University of Delaware

[@artemis7271]

There is no such thing as an affordable masters degree in the United States

[@solomonadams4913]

If cost was a primary factor, public schools will always have the edge because tuition is substantially cheaper, especially for in-state students (whom have priority admission in the UC system already).

[@tylerle2040]

correction: ucsb is not in top 25, it’s ucsd

[@soojoe]

All the top school located near Silcom Valley in the Bay area. Maybe thats why there incomes are better.

[@civilizeddiva]

2:05: Twenty-six year staff member here: Yes! Yes we’re are fabulous⭐️

[@ellamaeloftus3493]

Good to hear and they received the recognition ! Now if the student can survive California. Perhaps Berkley could admit the homeless for education and hopefully a brighter future?

[@huydao5205]

Based on the report, they admitted low income students more than any other top schools. Last 2 weeks, people protest to save the people park. Maybe in the future, more homeless kids will make it through!

[@danielcarroll3358]

@@huydao5205 People's park is having dorms with a total of 1100 beds for students, as well as low income housing, built on it. About 40% will still be open space.

[@kallek.2929]

How comes that Caltech is so low?

[@xaviercopeland2789]

What college is that at 1:00 - 1:10?

[@jackeaton2702]

Columbia

[@Hunter-ue3ny]

That is Columbia in Manhattan.

[@MarcoBonechi]

So... is it all about location?

[@utkarshasthana3853]

you should mention in the title that the public school is Berkley

[@No-nq1lo]

The pictures from 2:05 to 2:15 are of Stanford not Berkeley 😂

[@girlscoutfather2710]

UCB also accepts WAY more transfers.

[@redwoodwestytew]

This criteria given here for ‘best’ is what I’d expect from a poli-sci major.

[@dragonniz]

Interesting. How different would it be say coming from a non poli-Sci major? Honest question here from a poli-Sci major

[@redwoodwestytew]

@@dragonniz prioritizing societal impact versus excellence in specific fields. Further, three of them overlap in meaning.

[@C3yl0]

@@redwoodwestytew do you even major in political science?

[@C3yl0]

@@dragonniz yeah same as people that love to talk about philosophy and economics majors but still thinking that we are just a bunch of Socrates and Adam Smith’s in this Universe. 😁

[@lucaschu6388]

Interesting that you needed to say that Berkeley Beat Harvard and Yale, so those schools are still the standard. Interestingly, Yale was ranked #1270 by The Economist in 2015 based on comparing expected with actual annual salary. Harvard was ranked #5.

[@elmoreglidingclub3030]

I went to Auburn and then to Harvard for grad school. Then back to Auburn for a PhD. Auburn teaches the same things as does Harvard-with far more mature and realistic students at Auburn-and for a lot less money.

[@WilliamCarterII]

Its awful that education is seen as an investment.

[@Yellow_Afryca]

I came to read all the comments from ppl whom didn’t go to school justify their actions.

[@Adam-pw4jt]

My university was voted the number one party school by Playboy my junior year.

[@mlo9534]

Chico State?!

[@Minotauronabike]

Alumni salary gets a big boost from Aaron Rodgers alone :p

[@Ari-xh6nr]

I just turned down the Ivies to attend Cal and won’t look back!

[@s3itchbl1ng34]

Interesting

[@user-mh6lj3ox8b]

as a berkeley resident i want to take pride but truth is is that this university is a violent gentrifier across the bay area and in fact still a very elite institution

[@zanedurante3709]

2:04 “the crown jewel of the university of California system” Proceeds to show pictures of Stanford’s Hoover tower 😂

[@Malouco]

I HAVE FAITH IN 🇺🇸 AMERICA MY RELIGION IS MY COUNTRY NOT SOME EGOISTA CORRUPT RELIGIOUS SOCIETY

[@riku1neo]

Several things here. Most rankings are mostly just made up from random stats no one cares about. For example, one ranking included how close parking spots were to the campus buildings. Most undergraduate universities in this country are solid enough and how different would Math 101 be at Harvard versus Tennessee State? Talented students with good work ethics and maturity are going to generally be successful. Shocker. Secondly, people should stop making dumb financial decisions like choosing an Ivy League for $200,000 + debt if your solid in-state school has given you a scholarship. Also, less people need to go to college and more should acquire trades. Okay, off my soap box.

[@ericfshook]

Yeah, all this is great and all, but did anyone consider DUKE??

[@usandmexico]

People saying it doesn't matter what school you go to are wrong, on average. It is not the education per se, but the networks, peers you surround yourself with, and dating pool that has tremendous effects. Going to a school where you encounter other highly motivated people is a part of forming lifelong, financially beneficial relationships. No man is an island. Yes, you can do well at other schools, but it isn't the same. Particularly if you are in a major with no substantial demand in jobs, you are even worse off. And if you want to be a politician, just look at their education, regardless of party.

[@RATsnak3]

"x list is different because it's all about outcomes" is a line I've also heard from WSJ lmao

[@ZachShock13]

These guys must’ve not seen the College Football Playoff rankings with the birthplace of higher education at the top of that list, Go Dawgs!

[@lilyshang8408]

Other than sather gate, none of the other pictures of "Berkeley" is at Berkeley LMFAO

[@shritandon8122]

I think picking a number 1 college is a little bit disingenuous to begin with because at the undergraduate level, the top 10 schools of any program have almost the exact same curriculum and prerequisite classes. You'd probably be much better served dividing schools into categories based on major as the best 10, next best 10, and so on and so forth instead of subscribing to an elitist mentality of what the true "best" is. UIUC and MIT are both top 5 programs for Aerospace yet offer VASTLY different college experiences. Is MIT the "best" just for being more selective? Is UIUC better because it offers a much more holistic college experience? At the end of the day, the best college is going to be one that provides a great education but also satisfies what the student wants out of college.

[@Robert-we9pf]

Berkeley has no grade inflation. It's far tougher than the Ivy League. But of course, everybody knows that already.

[@ryannichols5352]

UC Berkeley has the best proximity to common sense.

[@666yaoz]

Yeah, my brother going to Princeton because of the financial aid.

[@Jakeyyboo1]

Is the Forbes data more reliable than 4icu data? 4icu has MIT ranked first.

[@C3yl0]

Beautiful!

[@meetseth3]

USC is in the same conversation as one of the best schools in America.

[@devonmatthews6443]

Barry Allen with a mustache

[@rajmodi3107]

👍🏼

[@lei8545]

I envy you guys,you have a great schools.. Being born in a poor family that just happen to exist sucks.

[@shrivatsankchari1729]

Berkeley out of state tuition is 40k ...

[@0401412740]

Education should be accessible to everyone. Schools lile Harvard creates division between society

[@stoundingresults]

Community college is cheaper and a degree is a degree.

[@huydao5205]

It does. I transferred from community college to Berkeley. My community college make me feel like home, and Berkeley train you become a beast!

[@MGPablo]

Rn, college is worth it only if you go onto a elite college or trade school, community colleges are only worth it if you can transfer onto a elite college, regular colleges are worthless today. If you are at a regular college go get a skill set quickly, get a job, make money without debt and succeed.

[@arasihamilton7545]

@@huydao5205 Yes!!!! I was a transfer student too. My time at my community college made my transition to a 4 year fairly easy.

[@tristanfirepro]

@@MGPablo can you elaborate more on that? Currently I’m arguably not going to an “elite school” majoring in Electrical Engineering. What are my chances in the workforce as a student coming out of say a top 3 school in Florida.

[@pushinp157]

@@tristanfirepro You'll be fine, Employers actually do not care about what school you go to as long as you know what you're doing.

[@boomshakalaka7396]

Go Cardinal

[@edfallin6447]

Go Bears!! Grrrr-ahhh!!!

[@simar007able]

Improve ur audio

[@HumanChatgpt]

Not sure if these metrics are the best since the distribution of the field of study will be varied at each of these schools. The field of study seems to be more relevant as it relates to outcomes more than the university itself. Studying lesbian dance theory at Harvard will not lead to as great of an outcome as studying anything in STEM at a different institute. However, at least they are attempting outcome measurement.

[@scratchpenny]

True, but I have seen people who've studied things similar to lesbian dance theory at Ivy's who got jobs in investment banking on Wall Street.

[@christian58428]

Go Bearssss

[@V_MA]

@Forbes, your ranking does not make sense. At the end, everything is Subjective.

[@TechVHD]

Forbes is always and I repeat, always, favoring ucb, it is not a surprise, look at the other college videos from Forbes, and the other video from Forbes was curated by a ucb alum, the only exception is this video that it is not from ucb alum

[@VHale-yz7hc]

But it’s ok when other list always favor Harvard? Favoring and not being able to back it up are two diff things

[@TechVHD]

V. Hale ucb will always be limited by itself, being a part of the uc public system umbrella. There are many reasons why students from ucb transfer out after their first year to USC and the S school (private) that I will not name, that I am sure you know of. There are not students from USC and S transferring in to ucb.

[@cdfanto6094]

Go Bears !!

[@scr7590]

In Brazil, the best universities are public. About the privates, if you pay you get in...