How accurate are Pokemon Reproduction Cartridges really?

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Slashking Codes

Slashking Codes

Күн бұрын

Hello everyone, welcome to a video that is a bit different from the usual content on this channel, as this video isn't as programming focused. Ok, that's not entirely true, you still need quite a bit of technical knowledge or atleast understanding to understand the contents of this video I guess. Anyways, I got myself some Pokemon Reproduction Cartridges (or Pokemon Repros in short), to be precise the Generation 3 Variety. After looking at a whole bunch of videos by other people testing them, I wondered: How accurate are these cartridges really? I mean, they aren't 100% accurate obviously, as the roms on them are patched in certain ways to make them work at all, but that aside, how good are these cartridges really? Well, that's exactly what I'm going to find out with you in this little video!
Links to stuff I mention and show in the video:
www.gamebrew.org/wiki/GBA_Bac... - You can get the GBA Backup Tool I mentioned in the video here, I used this to dump my real Pokemon Saves and also to backup all of the ROMs of the repro cartridges (if you get yourself some repros I would advise you to do this aswell (preferably before you start playing on them!))
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:08 What am I trying to find out exactly?
2:45 Some commonly asked questions on Repros first of all!
4:56 How am I testing the "accuracy" of the Cartridges?
6:30 Why did I choose FR/LG for this in particular?
8:05 Some proof that I can "do what I claim to be able to do" so to speak
9:14 Some background info on how to RNG Manipulate & Problems I faced
11:18 How do these games save? Why and how are their ROMs patched?
16:50 Why and how does this matter for RNG Manipulation?
18:20 My first conclusions, proof and how/why I struggled to get it
20:25 Tip: Dump your ROMs! Also, further proof of how the repros save
21:22 Some "visual proof" of the repros generating real shinies
25:05 Feel free to leave questions in the comments and some other stuff
26:14 A quick tldr; of sorts
#Programming #pokemon
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@flookaraz
@flookaraz 7 ай бұрын
If anyone is wondering, you can use GBA Backup Tool on an R4/DSTT card with the GBA cartridge in slot 2 in order to backup or restore .SAV files to a physical cartridge
@kobraunit
@kobraunit 8 ай бұрын
World peace will be achieved when backing up and restoring repor carts save files becomes possible.
@JustinJohnson-xb5gy
@JustinJohnson-xb5gy Ай бұрын
You can now someone made a program for it I just found it yesterday
@MikazukiFive
@MikazukiFive Ай бұрын
@@JustinJohnson-xb5gy do you have a link?
@Giurob94
@Giurob94 9 ай бұрын
Great video, you managed to answer all of my questions regarding the possibility of getting shinies by rng manipulation on repro cartridges, keep up the good work!
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Thanks! It'll probably take another couple of weeks unfortunately, but I do already have a bunch more content planned for this channel^^
@paulozogaib6659
@paulozogaib6659 9 ай бұрын
Really cool video, I never would have guessed the repros were actually such "faithful" recreations of the softwares
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
It sort of makes sense, after all they are basically just exact copies of the real games software wise (except for the patches that get applied to them to make them work). The way they are patched however is pretty much of quite a "high quality" I suppose, if the loading of the savefile on bootup of the game wouldn't be done as smoothly as it is, the game would seed much differently most likely
@econtreras
@econtreras 2 ай бұрын
Hey thanks for the thorough and detailed video! Excellent! Cheers from Canada.
@chingling106
@chingling106 9 ай бұрын
How good where pokemon reproduction cartridges ACTUALLY?
@nickel7o740
@nickel7o740 2 ай бұрын
We False Swipe Gaming out here. lol
@natescorner
@natescorner 2 ай бұрын
I have the fake English Pokémon Green. My understanding from playing it, it works just fine. It just takes a little longer to save. That’s Gen 1, idk how other gens are. Idk if those are anything like the GBA rom hacks of the Oracle games. Those (at least with my copies anyway) can’t save. They have the function, the in-game save doesn’t really do anything. The save state broke. Just be careful when dealing with fakes.
@Davidgon100
@Davidgon100 Ай бұрын
I have been able to write a save file to a reproduction cartridge before. Using the gbx flasher, you can analyze the cartridge and see the save type. (SRAM/flash, etc. and size) Load a copy of the rom into vba and configure the save type in the settings to match what is on the cartridge. Save and it should create a save in the same format. On the gbx flasher client (forgot the program name), select the save type manually from the drop down. Then write save, restore from file, and select the save you made.
@jimmahzgaming6461
@jimmahzgaming6461 4 ай бұрын
Birb 😂 very glad i found this video you answer most questions (just ordered a repro emerald and leafgreen) i wanted to play battle frontier on emerald but kind of worried the game won’t support that far into the game. From what I’ve seen yeah you’re right only some carts can have a battery installed, and seems to be a small % chance that your repro cartridge will not work at all (faulty glitchy ram) but when they are $3 each and only 1 in 10 is error that isn’t bad compared to paying $200 for a single loose copy. I really hope i could install a battery otherwise i might just buy a handful of different repros until i find that 1 good copy…
@vitalyavolyn
@vitalyavolyn 9 ай бұрын
very interesting video, thank you!
@Nekomania
@Nekomania 9 ай бұрын
Ah repo carts have come a long way since the early ones you were very lucky if they even worked lmao. Also good video was a fun watch.
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Definitely, I read some, lets say, "interesting" reports on repros from a bunch of years ago. But I got some pretty decent ones I think. And thanks^^
@bfapple
@bfapple 13 күн бұрын
I had awful luck with my ‘fakes’. The saves would be erased as soon as I tried to interact between a ‘fake’ GBA cart and a GameCube or DS game.
@franciscolozada1059
@franciscolozada1059 8 ай бұрын
I own a few repo cartridges and they have worked quite well, i managed to puck them up from some local thrift store in my area for cheap. There are some that actually do work when it comes to trading but not all, i guess it just comes to the quality of the repo cart you get. They have come a long way through out the years so i wouldn't be surprised if some managed to make that situation no longer an issue for repo carts
@arislekabile
@arislekabile Ай бұрын
So a repro gba cartridge save won’t work on DS?
@ahomestucker
@ahomestucker 9 ай бұрын
id be interested to hear about how accurate other reproduction cartridges for pokemon are! like gen 4 and 5 especially
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
I don't have any of those around unfortunately and I'm also not too knowledgable on Gen 4 and 5, or atleast not even close to as knowledgable as I am on Gen 3. There were a bunch of other comments that suggested some more things to try in the Gen 3 Repros though (and I also am curious about those things myself), I'll probably give those a shot first, if my findings are interesting I'll make another video out of it I guess, but I'll keep this in mind, might make for an interesting video possibly!
@-_soy_-888
@-_soy_-888 7 ай бұрын
The only repro copies of gen 5 games are on r4’s
@jjbryan1134
@jjbryan1134 Ай бұрын
@@-_soy_-888 i have one thats not a r4
@KellyerX
@KellyerX 9 ай бұрын
Interesting video! I have always been on the fence for the longest time of buying repro-carts but I've noticed that the quality of them over the years has significantly improved. A question I have is are you able to trade and transfer pokemon between the repro-carts and the gamecube games (Colusseum/XD/Pokemon Box)? Mainly because I dont have a second GBA but still have the gamecube link cable. Also going to look into getting a ROM dumper for GBA/GB games so I can transfer over the event distribution Items to my Genuine Emerald Cart
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
This "current generation" of repros seems to be quite good, yeah. Atleast that's what some googling told me, seems like before that repros were very hit or miss, now they probably are still hit or miss, you can always get unlucky obviously, but the ones I got are really good quality wise, yeah. Hm, while I don't have a Gamecube (I do have a Wii) and most importantly not a Gamecube Link Cable, I can answer this question to you in another way. If the Gamecube "reads the Pokemon off of the savefile" of the game then it won't work. If you need to turn the Gameboy on and the Game actively "communicates" with the console, which I am assuming that's how that works, in that case it will most likely work. The save data is effectively "not there" if the game is turned off, but as soon as the game is powered on it basically behaves 1:1 like a real copy. Getting a ROM Dumper sounds like a good idea, I'm actually playing with that idea myself^^
@phelyne
@phelyne Ай бұрын
While I haven't tested this myself as I do not own a repro game, I have heard that the Colosseum Bonus Disc is probably not compatible with repros. Take it with a grain of salt, but an educated guess from me would be that GC does not work with repros.
@unkx9
@unkx9 8 ай бұрын
gutes video! :) die infos hab ich so noch nicht gesehen und gesucht. idee für ein neues video: wie verhalten sich homebrew 3DS pokemon games aus dem hstore und normale DS roms. welche art von savefiles generieren die? sind pokemon tradebar und transferierbar richtung bank? spiele grade damit rum und kann jedenfalls meine originale cartridge soulsilver savefile per rom auf dem 3DS starten. gl mit deinem youtubeprojekt
@Ichabod_Jericho
@Ichabod_Jericho 8 ай бұрын
What a great experiment. We would need a lot more & control samples (knowing who made the carts when & where & how). What I’ve always wondered; what has kept repro manufacturers from copying the entire genuine game and placing it elsewhere? Do the problem arise when they’re trying to emulate hardware they don’t have?
@troller8574
@troller8574 9 ай бұрын
under rated af, +1 sub!!!
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Haha, thanks^^
@josh1234567892
@josh1234567892 3 ай бұрын
My only issue with the reproductions I got is the annoying pause due to the difference in how it handles saving games, the fact that I can’t do the Battle Tower cloning glitch in Emerald, no migrations to gen 4-5 and the fact that I can’t write saves to it using gba backup on NDS with an r4 cart (I can read and backup, but not write) These are all considerably niche things though, I feel like for most people, it might be worth taking a look at. Also, mileage may vary, I’m pretty not all of them suffer the same pros and cons
@cyrilfiggis
@cyrilfiggis 9 ай бұрын
Danke für die Erklärung! Habe mir Rubin und Saphir als Repos gekauft, da ich die als Kind nie hatte und hatte Sorge, dass die Pokémon dort „fake“ sein könnten 😁
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Hm, nach etwas Überlegung sind die Pokemon in Rubin/Saphir und auch Smaragd tatsächlich wahrscheinlich "immer" echt, sogar auf einem Emulator. Rubin und Saphir seeden mit der Batterie (oder halt gar nicht ohne Batterie), und Smaragd seeded überhaupt gar nicht (weil Gamefreak da nicht aufgepasst hat, die Seedfunktion wird einfach nie aufgerufen). Solange die Repros also nicht von sehr "minderwertiger Qualität" sind sollte es quasi unmöglich sein da Emulator-Pokemon zu kriegen. Glaube ich, bin mir aber nicht zu 100% sicher^^
@NotPaws
@NotPaws 2 ай бұрын
Very cool video thank you :) 🙏✨️
@javiersaneiro6412
@javiersaneiro6412 Ай бұрын
The easiest way to understand how repro saves work is realizing that repros are basically a flashcart. A flashcart with only one game inside of it but still a flashcart. When you save the game in a repro cart, it stores the save similar to how GBA flashcarts do it. In fact, it is possible to reflash any repro cart with a different game, just like you can with a GBA flash cart. Most harware made to extract GBA roms and saves (including Nintendo DS CFW) are capables to inject a full ROM inside a GBA repro. Nintendo DS and GameCube games doesn't recognize GBA repros saves just like they can't recognize pokemon saves from a GBA flashcarts. There are some GBA flashcarts capable to run in a special mode so it works with DS and GC games, but as far as I am aware, no repro carts use this (too expensive for a cheap cart like these) Also, it is entirely possible to inject a Pokemon save inside a repro cart. There is a special tool that can be used with a DS to reflash the repro cart combining a save file and a ROM file (Bootleg Pokémon GBA Save Extractor and Injector). The tool is capable to extract the save from a ROM file dumped from the repro and inject a save back into the ROM. But every time you do this you need to reflash the whole cart, not just the save. Given that repro carts are very cheap flashcart I am not sure how many times you can reflash those carts before it stops working.
@Manticorpse
@Manticorpse 9 ай бұрын
Gute Erklärung wie die "Echten" vs die "Emulator" Spiele Speicherdaten abspeichern. Ich hätte nie gedacht das die einfach in die ROM geschrieben würden! Cool das jetzt immerhin klar ist das auch RNG-Manips auf den anderen Versionen fuktionieren.
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Hm, es sind eher die "Echten" vs die "Reproduktions" Spiele, auf einem Emulator funktionieren die Repros z.B. gar nicht, da Emulatoren den Code zum Speichern nicht verstehen (wie auch, ein echtes Spiel könnte gar nicht den ROM Addressbereich verändern, der ist halt read only). Aber dadurch, dass das Laden der Speicherdaten halt so sauber programmiert ist, startet das Spiel danach quasi "sauber" und wie das echte Spiel, demnach produziert es echte Seeds. Emulatorseeds entstehen übrigens dadurch, dass der Emulator das Spiel zwar "gut" emulieren kann, allerdings eben nicht perfekt. Es gibt selbst bei den besten Emulatoren immer klitzekleine Fehler und edge cases, in denen sich der "virtuelle" Gameboy nicht verhält wie echte Hardware, wodurch eben gerade hochpräzise Funktionen wie die Timerfunktion (die zum seeden genutzt wird bei FR/LG) quasi gederailed wird und sich anders verhält als auf echter Hardware^^
@ulqi
@ulqi 9 ай бұрын
Question : Does putting the game in a DSLite while RNGing in Gen4 games changes the parity of the delay ? You're supposed to plug a GBA game in the port if you hit odd delays and want an even one etc
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Hm, I know what you mean, I'm not super familiar (anymore anyways, been a while since I last manipped on Gen4) with RNG Manips on Gen4, but I'm pretty sure the parity thing comes from the game checking for *anything* in the GBA slot basically, I assume (idk if this is how it actually works, just an assumption) this has to do with the game having to figure Gen3 to Gen4 transfer stuff out , which adds/removes 1 RNG advancement to do the necessary calculations on that. In other words, I haven't tested it, but I'm 99% positive it will most likely give you the offset, as the only thing that matters is that *any* game is plugged into the slot, and the repros are indeed a game^^
@garrettfunke2044
@garrettfunke2044 7 ай бұрын
So I bought a fake copy of bw2 for the ds. I really don’t care if it’s fake as long as it works and I can play it for a long time. From your experience, is there anything I should be worried about when it comes to gameplay, saving, or anything down the road?
@BlazeNextGen
@BlazeNextGen 9 ай бұрын
Ist ein gutes video, du sprichst nur sehr schnell das merkt man. Ich hab zwar dennoch alles verstanden aber ich wollts nur als kleine Kritik anmerken
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Ja, das höre ich auch auf meinem deutschen Kanal öfters mal, ich arbeite dran^^
@BlazeNextGen
@BlazeNextGen 8 ай бұрын
@@slashkingcodes2598 Ok C:
@miyakogfl
@miyakogfl 4 ай бұрын
I would say be very careful with just adding in batteries to repros, a lot of them are missing several parts and could be dangerous to cart readers or similar if they're not added along with the battery (and even if they aren't, most lack a pull-up resistor so the battery will drain quite fast without it). Some bootlegs actually have the full 128kb save capability so no need to mess with the ROM (other than RTC patch and things). FR/LG never had RTC so actually bootlegs can run these perfectly if you get a cart with the right specifications (would still need battery unlike the original because no FRAM on bootlegs). No bootlegs I know of that aren't nearly as expensive as a superior flash cart do have RTC, so they will generally be RTC patched to run while the game is on. Because many bootlegs only have 64k memory they will be patched with custom functions to write to blank space in the ROM and write back. Bootlegs with 128kb SRAM will generally in the modern era be what hobbyists call the "A4" type, since they have a chip that says A4/A6 on the board. These use bank switching to use 2 sets of 64k memory, so actually they have 128kb like a real cartridge does. The catch is that they need logic to switch between them and such and so they need unique patches to work. Some popular fan games that generally can come with these off AliExpress are Pokemon Quetzal, Pokemon Unbound, and Pokemon Radical Red. If you get one with no battery (sometimes you can ask the seller for a battery and get one), currently a lot of them are shipping with a custom globbed flash chip that as of now can't be patched by cart writers, but hopefully that will be fixed soon as people that work on software for 2 of the popular game boy cart writers are working on it. Once those patches are out, it would probably be a better cart for pokemon IMO. If a patch comes out for the custom flash boards basically you'll still have the benefit of the separate save file (no digging in the rom for your data!) but no battery needed for the save. Currently what a lot of people do for that instead is patch the mother 3 carts because mother 3 bootlegs currently all use real flash chips for the save and not SRAM. However, they are much larger and so need to be patched first. You can reflash some of these bootlegs if you have a cart writer like the GBXCart or Joey Jr if it's compatible and the A4 ones particularly don't really need to do anything with moving the save file which is really cool. RTC won't work properly when the game is off in any of them though. Generally the A4 patches come from other A4 carts, but in some of the cart writer discords people have uploaded the ips files with only the patch data so you can patch your own rom to work. It can be a bit of a lottery which bootleg you get but there's definitely a range of quality among them.
@Donker_Dank
@Donker_Dank 4 ай бұрын
Years ago i played a few hours on a repro sapphire. I bumped the gba a bit and the game froze and lost save
@kerebos9940
@kerebos9940 9 ай бұрын
Great video, just gotta slow down a little having a hard time understanding some bits
@SpeedBoost100
@SpeedBoost100 9 ай бұрын
Weirdly enough, playing it on 0.75x works lol. Good video still
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Haha, yeah I get that complaint on my german videos too every once in a while, I guess I just tend to speak quickly regardless of the language I am using^^
@dcnoshoes244
@dcnoshoes244 6 ай бұрын
How many frames difference was it? Do you remember?
@kingmegagross8169
@kingmegagross8169 8 ай бұрын
So far I’ve got some repos and real games. My cartridge have all the clock based events and I have managed to trade from repo to real gen 3. Then I also got a poochyena to trade from my repo to real and up all the way to Pokémon home. The only thing I don’t know about my repo carts is if I can get shinies on them
@ShiningSakura
@ShiningSakura 3 ай бұрын
Where you able to do post elite 4 gameplay? I bought 10+ years ago a bootleg emerald and it literally died the moment I beat the elite 4. Now it won't play anything past you traveling in the moving van at the beginning of the game before dying. I did end up acquiring a friend extra emerald after they heard about my bootleg story, but I am missing fire red and ruby from my collection of gen 3 games and might consider buying some quality repos if it can play past the elite 4 and trade with my genuine copies.
@AdamsApples
@AdamsApples 6 күн бұрын
I find the biggest nuisance is that you can't transfer to newer games with a repo cartridge. That's the only thing which makes the authentic copy price tag worth it 😅
@jeremyandrews3292
@jeremyandrews3292 9 ай бұрын
Well, if all you want to verify is that the ROM hasn't been changed much, then you could just dump the repro cart and compare it to a dump of the real cart of the same version and region, using a binary file compare or something. My impression of repro carts is that they work an awful lot like an Everdrive... that is, with an Everdrive, you have a ROM stored on an SD card's flash memory, and the save data is also written to the flash memory. The only difference being that with a repro, you only have enough Flash memory to store one ROM and its save data, and there's no menu system. I would be surprised if the ROMS were altered beyond just whatever it took to make them save on the Flash, though, because it's not like they would benefit from putting a virus or malware on a GBA. Repros are pretty much made by writing ROMs that were dumped from official carts at some point onto Flash memory. I did actually notice what you're talking about with the saving being a bit strange, though. I noticed that on the repro carts, it was very easy to use them to clone Pokémon by shutting the power off at the right point during the trading process, because there's a longer window when saving before the data is stored.
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
I'd say the repros do work somewhat similiarly, though they are pretty much a "super light weight" version of something like an Everdrive or a flash cart. They dont have all the "middleware" like a menu system, they go for the cheapest route possible basically, which is to replicate a real cartridge as closely (and cheaply) as possible. As such, they basically work like real cartridges, they have a real physical ROM chip (according to some comments the ROM is really a flash chip, which makes sense, as it's rewritable to make saving possible) and they also have a real physical SRAM chip, as that's cheaper than flash memory. Whoever made these could have also gone down the route of adding a menu system, an SD slot or whatever else, but I'm pretty sure that would cost a tiny bit more money, and since these are dirt cheap to manufacture (I'm assuming so atleast) that would probably result in quite a loss of profit. And they are obviously made as "reproductions", meaning they are supposed to "mimic" the real cartridges as closely as possible, a menu system would seem a bit out of place if you look at it from that angle^^. I knew there are differences in the ROM from the getgo by the way, I was aware the games do infact work differently, but there is a difference between working differently to enable saving and loading, and working entirely differently to the point where the game seeds differently and "majorly" deviates from an original copy, atleast to me that's a difference^^
@TruGamer128
@TruGamer128 2 ай бұрын
Okay, I recently bought a set of five Pokémon GBA games on Ali. The problem I'm having is when I go to save it freezes up. Can anyone recommend a set of repros that actually save?
@FlairVSSavage
@FlairVSSavage 6 ай бұрын
My Gen 3 carts work 100% Even the events and post game
@silentslayergaming8469
@silentslayergaming8469 2 ай бұрын
where did you buy them?
@wormworm
@wormworm 9 ай бұрын
How possible would it be to run the pomeg glitch on a reproduction copy?
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
That's a great question, I'm probably gonna create a follow up video on stuff like ACE, the pomeg glitch and the cloning glitch, I think that might make for an interesting video. I'll also have to really watch out with ACE, normally messing up and writing gibberish into ROM wouldnt be a problem as it's read only and nothing bad can happen, but clearly the ROM in these cartridges is in fact anything but read only^^'
@sunxnes
@sunxnes 9 ай бұрын
So basically save your money and emulate the game for free if you're not using a genuine copy
@FieryMeltman
@FieryMeltman 9 ай бұрын
Well, there is the novelty of playing the game on an actual cartridge, and on a portable console. Also, it's much more accessible to people who don't know much about computers. Emulation is easy for people like us who have a basic understanding, but it's much simpler for someone who has no knowledge to just buy a cartridge.
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
You can do that too^^. Though in the case of Fire Red and Leaf Green especially, the Pokemon you catch on Emulator Versions of the game are all "Emulator Pokemon", unlike those caught on the Repro Cartridges! And as FieryMeltman said, I like the novelty of playing on an actual cartridge, though emulators are cool too^^
@Rohgamu
@Rohgamu 7 ай бұрын
​@FieryMeltman even as a kid who strictly played my gba sp and gamecube with little pc knowledge, I googled "How to play pokemon emerald free" and watched a tutorial on how to download, setup and emulate emerald on my family pc, it's not really difficult, but I get where you're coming from
@programinc7581
@programinc7581 2 ай бұрын
​@@slashkingcodes2598 I love nostalgia that's why I bought them too... 😅
@arturodominguez2
@arturodominguez2 Ай бұрын
Flash them too if ya got original hardware saves ya money and own the whole collection in one go
@kackstelze9651
@kackstelze9651 5 ай бұрын
Ich habe mir im november selbst eine repro von pokemon rubin besorgt, zuerst war ich eher skeptisch, ob alles so funktioniert wie auf einem echten modul, abgesehen von den beeren war aber alles super! Pokemon tauschen mit meinem originalen pokemon smaragd modul hat problemlos funktioniert. Ein kleines stück kindheit für ca 5€, was will man mehr 😊
@akleughuglouh
@akleughuglouh 9 ай бұрын
Are repros useable with the n64/GC games?
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
Somebody else asked this question too, I'm gonna respond with the same answer as I can't test it myself: If the game is powered on while interacting with the N64/Gamecube, then yes, it will most likely work. If the N64/Gamecube reads the data straight off of the game's savefile however, as in, the game is not powered on, just connected to the Gamecube, which reads the data straight out of memory, then it won't work, as the save data physically isn't there/doesn't exist if the game is powered off. If it is powered on however the game pretty much works 1:1 like a real copy!
@icey_projects
@icey_projects 9 ай бұрын
All repos use flash no repros made in the last 10 years use rom, it's simply a dump of the original game with all save function calls modified to write to flash aswell, which is why the music stop since you can't read and write to the flash at the same time, also the games take maybe 2 mins max to dump if you use a real dumper like a GBxCart RW (u can also use this to flash any game you want to the cart given you wanted a different game on it)
@ulqi
@ulqi 9 ай бұрын
yeah but what if you flash some other game that isn't modified to write the savefile on the flash chip ? will you be unable to save?
@icey_projects
@icey_projects 9 ай бұрын
@@ulqi no you would have to google "batteryless save patch" and patch the game first, or depending on the game and cart if it has sram you would need to add a battery altho it will not last long as there is a chip that puts the sram into a low power mode on real carts when no power supplied to cart from gb (from my testing adding a battery holds a save for about 3 months before it dies), furthermore in repros he states you can add a battery for rtc(time) which that is untrue to have rtc function it would need a crystal oscillator (that silver "can" that is on a real pcb) which the battery powers to keep time which no repros ever have sadly, if you want to accurately and properly play the games on real hardware the proper way is 1 either a real cart or 2 use an ezflash omega DE (must be a DE if you want pal park to work), which has all the proper hardware like RTC etc with the added benefit it uses an sd card so could put the entire gba library on it (as well as comes with an nes emulator which allows you to play entire nes library from the cart aswell [notasponsor_justagoodproductfortheprice])
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
That would definitely explain why the read only memory is not read only at all and can be rewritten. I dont have a real dumper currently, though I might get one soon. Using the gbabackuptool it takes quite a long time to dump the ROMs obviously, as the DS isnt meant to be used to dump ROMs^^
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
@@ulqi Interesting question, I'm pretty sure if you patch a different game onto the cartridge it will work "just fine". And I'm guessing it will also save "just fine" if you solder a battery onto the board, though I'm not sure if a "save battery" is any different from a "utility battery" for keeping track of real time events like in the pokemon games. Could be that batteries used to hold actual save data are wired differently on the board than those used for real time events, but I doubt it. Obviously your repro has to "support" soldering in a battery in the first place for that though (or you have to jankily hack support for that together yourself)
@icey_projects
@icey_projects 9 ай бұрын
@@slashkingcodes2598 I would highly suggest a GBxCart RW don't fall into the trap of the eye candy specials like the gb operator and the fp burnmaster they have bad compatibility and generally sell for the eye candy aspect xd
@silentslayergaming8469
@silentslayergaming8469 2 ай бұрын
anyone know where I can buy good quality repro pokemon games?
@thegreenkacheek
@thegreenkacheek 9 ай бұрын
This is exactly the video I was looking for! Thank you for focusing so heavily on RNG manipulation, and for explaining so clearly how the repro carts do their weird saving. I'd wondered for years why the repro carts couldn't transfer up to gen 4, and now I know! Thanks! [edit: For future reference, blisy is non-binary, their pronouns are they/them, just so you are aware]
@SullySadface
@SullySadface 9 ай бұрын
I'm gonna call Blisy "it" and you can't stop me
@jormungand72
@jormungand72 9 ай бұрын
ha, so the dude with a beard is not a dude... okay buddy...
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
That's pretty much why I created it, curiosity got the better of me after seeing a whole bunch of people test their games and claiming they seem to work "almost like a real copy"^^
@amiemallich3255
@amiemallich3255 7 ай бұрын
​@@SullySadfaceI don't think they'll care what a nobody like you calls them
@nerdy_bumblebee
@nerdy_bumblebee 5 ай бұрын
@@jormungand72 cringe
@LetsPlayKeldeo
@LetsPlayKeldeo 9 ай бұрын
The rom is retwritable on these reproductions basically the chip with the game and save is one chip and can be rewriten
@slashkingcodes2598
@slashkingcodes2598 9 ай бұрын
I think there is another comment or two on this, seems like the ROM Chip is a flash chip, which makes sense and explains why the ROM is infact not read only at all^^. I haven't checked it myself, but that does sound like the most likely candidate to explain this behaviour
@wingedshuffler
@wingedshuffler Ай бұрын
I wonder if Pokémon Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness read these games
@user-lz5wt6pr1j
@user-lz5wt6pr1j 2 күн бұрын
Will not read. But you can use ez flash omega DE will work fine
@RokkTheRock
@RokkTheRock 9 ай бұрын
you really should write a script to follow so you don't repeat yourself so much
@slof69
@slof69 6 ай бұрын
theyre so nice for flashing roms onto but i forgot so much about it i use a ds to reflash batteryless patched versions of romhacks do u know of any ways to put a legit save onto a repro cart idk much about messing with batteryless versions of the games
@FatherYakub
@FatherYakub 3 күн бұрын
Wunderbar bruder
@superboy3229
@superboy3229 2 ай бұрын
pokemon gba reproduction is not just good because they wouldn't with the migration Pokemon DS games.
@FlairVSSavage
@FlairVSSavage 6 ай бұрын
You need at least one copy of an actual game
@jjbryan1134
@jjbryan1134 Ай бұрын
um i dumped the save from a fake game before ??? leaf grean
@noambarazani7857
@noambarazani7857 8 ай бұрын
נודר קוראים לו אורי גלר
@Raphtor13
@Raphtor13 Ай бұрын
Hey - you need to talk slower....I had to slow it down to understand you and kinda repetative. Somewhat interesting pokemon hacking video....not my thing though.
@-_soy_-888
@-_soy_-888 7 ай бұрын
Bad
@keanuchunguspro
@keanuchunguspro 6 ай бұрын
You a transgender?
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