How Alpine is becoming the third F1 team to waste Fernando Alonso

When Fernando Alonso celebrated his second world championship at the 2006 Brazilian Grand Prix, the 26-year-old had the Formula 1 world at his feet. But since then, he hasn’t achieved anything like the success that appeared to lie ahead of him.
There are myriad reasons for this, but right now we’re focusing on the equipment at his disposal with Alpine the latest team to squander what even Alonso’s sternest critics would have to admit is his prodigious talent.
That Alpine isn’t fighting for wins in F1 is to be expected, but as Alonso has pointed out, he has lost a lot of points this year to incidents not of his making and unreliability.
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[@wiryantirta]

Its like when Alonso set out to build his character in career mode he put all his point on skill and intelligence, (and neck) etc and nothing on luck...

[@therealkinghimself]

Literally

[@Roguescienceguy]

Love the neck part😂. He is like a spanish bull

[@momo.ru-kun]

When you play Alonso in F1 the game, you have increased points on Driver Acclaim, Team Acclaim, Cash Rate, but ZERO resource points 😅

[@srijanvarmaofficial5657]

U don't say about eyebrows

[@QF_Dan72]

exactly

[@KeshavChugh]

2012 Alonso was his best version. Getting so close with that sub par Ferrari and abysmal team strategy. He's still a great driver at this age, and can definitely win a championship if given a car to do so.

[@Allblue1]

There is the problem the cars. If all cars where in 1.5 seconds of each other that would be great and give anyone a chance at the title. Also it would be 10x more intense if this were the case

[@Hydraav2]

Ferrari’s strategy and the fact the 2012 Ferrari was better on its tyres than the RB and McLaren is actually the one reason he did so well that year.

[@Sauronthedeciever_]

His 2012 season is one of the best performances by any driver at any season.

[@Jules17777]

@@Hydraav2 Ferrari at 2012 was a shit car, just Alonso make it looks good. Vettel in Ferrari 2012 would be outside Top3 and that is a fact.

[@Hydraav2]

@@Jules17777 I never said he wasn’t outdriving the Ferrari, he definitely dragged it up the grid. But I was clarifying that its very good tyre wear is what allowed it to have such good race pace, despite its lack of one lap speed.

[@simbarocksone]

The fact he lost points in 6/11 races is quite frustrating. Alonso has been driving at a high level so far this year such as Canada, Australia, or even Spain. He’s been pretty unlucky. If things turn around for him, Alpine will definitely seal 4th in the constructors.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Alonso lost a whopping total of 5000pts throughout his whole F1 career. He also DNQ 19 times in 2015 alone.

[@cob-codeofbrawl7668]

@@purwantiallan5089 5000 points is kinda overboard, but pretty sure alonso lost at least 500 more points due to bad luck that the next unluckiest driver in F1 history

[@aloter1680]

In reality, it is 8/11 if you consider the problem in Bahrain and the weird 5s for cutting the chicane in Miami

[@jkliao6486]

@@aloter1680 That penalty is definitely on himself.

[@aloter1680]

@@jkliao6486 it's not, he gave back the time he gained, no need to give him a penaly, and many people at the time didn't understand the penalty either

[@blakebarone1809]

You know he’s had bad luck in his career when you think, “at least his team isn’t costing him another world title… for the 4th time!!”

[@purwantiallan5089]

More like 1st time lucky

[@dan005]

to be fair he burned his own bridges tho, no?

[@nallid7357]

@@dan005 It is one thing to move teams, it is another to burn bridges, which he hasn't clearly shown yet.

[@minimead368]

@@nallid7357 oh he burned that bridge with Honda so much so that they wouldn’t even give him an engine at the Indy 500 after McLaren terminated the contract with them

[@LambdaHDvideo]

Alonso's Bahrain GP was missed out on in the video too. He had engine problems the whole race, and Alpine have also said that his car suffered from bad tyre wear issues. Since he looked faster than Ocon in quali, I'm pretty sure without his issues in the race, he would have finished 7th, which is another +4 points. And yes, obviously Ocon had some bad luck himself, which was not taken into account here, but it also wasn't taken into account how many points Ocon gained because of Alonso's lost positions. Without Alonso's bad luck, Ocon would have scored less in Bahrain, Saudi, Australia, Canada, and potentially in Spain and Austria too. So yeah, while some of Ocon's own point losses due to bad luck were ignored here, his point gains due to Alonso's bad luck were left in, which balances it out a bit IMO

[@arroe8386]

Actually 7th is 6 points

[@LambdaHDvideo]

@@arroe8386 yeah but he finished 9th, so finishing 7th would only be a 4 point gain

[@arroe8386]

@@LambdaHDvideo ah, now I get it 👍🏻

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@arroe8386 yes. 10th is worth 1.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@LambdaHDvideo yep.

[@selder_7]

Imagine telling Alonso at the end of 2006 that he’d still be racing in 2022 and not have any more titles

[@purwantiallan5089]

Maybe absolute insane.

[@patrickwhite4449]

I’d believe it

[@Euclides287]

You could say the same about *Seb* after the monster second half of the season he had in 2013.

[@prasadchavan8313]

@Stem Artin hunger never stops mate, you think he's doing it for the money

[@unknownknown360]

thats a yooke a yoke

[@chamindujanith6337]

I don't know why people ignore his other seasons and just mention 2012 as his prime. All of his Ferrari years are equally impressive. In 2010-Alonso 252 points Massa 144 In 2011-Alonso 257 points Massa 118 In 2012-Alonso 278 points Massa 122 In 2013-Alonso 242 points Massa 112 In 2014-Alonso 161 points Raikkonen 55 However Massa and Raikkonen were visibly not operating at their best levels during these years and Ferrari as we know always builds great cars. So what he did at Renault is more impressive to me. Plus his teammate Giancarlo Fisichella only got 8 podiums in 2005-2006. Grosjean got more at Lotus in 2012-2013 believe it or not. In summary Alonso's 2005-2006 seasons are heavily underrated.

[@alexhaas2185]

I am a big Alonso fan. But his 2010 season was nowhere near 2012 and his other Ferrari years. He was amazing after the summer break in 2010. But considering the first half it was definitely by far his worst season at Ferrari (maybe even his worst season in F1). Which says a lot about him considering he nearly won the title with the 3rd fastest car that year despite a lot of unfortunate situations (Silverstone, Valencia, Spa, Abu Dhabi)

[@chamindujanith6337]

@@alexhaas2185 My question is was the 2012-2013 Lotus cars as good as the 2005-2006 Renault's? Grosjean got more podiums(9) than Fisichella(8)

[@chamindujanith6337]

@@alexhaas2185 There is no way 2010 has a case for being his worst F1 season. 2004, 2015, 2017 and 2021 are clearly worse. Maybe 2001 as well. Hard to say. lol.

[@alexhaas2185]

@@chamindujanith6337 He did perform great in 2015 and 2017. Always got the maximum out and when the opportunity was there he showed his amazing skills. He was making zero mistakes.

[@chamindujanith6337]

@@alexhaas2185 Forget about the others seasons. You can't say Alonso is World Champion material if you look at the 2015 and 2017 seasons. He barely scored more points than his teammate. Maybe he had his moments like any other good F1 driver. But the car is more to blame for sure.

[@rolandotillit2867]

Alpine has been steadily improving and has overtaken McLaren in terms of car development and driver performance. Canada was a hint that Alonso can still do Alonso things.

[@karatekid951]

I want to see more Alonso dive bombs and Lion defense!!

[@lazyreuvin]

It's always a shame when you see amazingly talented drivers stuck in mid field rather than challenging for the podiums they'd earn if they had better machinery. Keep going Alonso, F1 is a sadder place without you!

[@MattGP01]

I think that in reality, the full story is that he is helping Alpine increase in terms of competitiveness. The car this year is a genuinely fast car with the team constantly improving. The reliability issues will be resolved, much in the same way that the tyre wear issues have been resolved. Alonso has every right to be frustrated, but you get the sense that things are looking up at Alpine, and he should just be a bit more patient. The car is fast on all kinds of circuits, occasionally being able to put in some stellar qualifying performances. But he is right, the team needs to start maximising its potential, which seems to be huge.

[@kaiserberserk3622]

I hope Alpine overall improves more in the upcoming races, Fernando is great at helping develop the cars and I'm sure that will help the team a lot

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@kaiserberserk3622 Renault Alpine i think may evolve into top 3 car beginning from this race.

[@rubenmowi]

@@purwantiallan5089while I think that Renault/Alpine is getting better, I don't see them in top 3 this year or maybe 2-3 years. The gap between Mercedes and Alpine is too much for Alpine. But hey, anything can happen in F1 especially with the budget cap

[@norbertjanssen814]

Alpine or Renault have never been close to being a real contender since 2005/2006. The facilities are average and as Verstappen and Red Bull have said on multiple occasions the engines were shit and there was no commitment to make it better or to try and be the best. I will never forget some of the stories Verstappen told in front of the dutch media where he said that sometimes parts would be missing from the engine or things didn't fit properly within the engine and when they told Renault they just didn't care. There's a reason why nobody wants to have a Renault customer engine. Renault/Alpine are never going to get there, such a shame for Alonso who they clearly don't deserve. Just listen closly to Prost or any former teammembers and they all say the same things.

[@ey1615]

Genuinely fast in terms of being constantly behind RB, Ferrari and Mercedes?

[@AnonymousCaveman]

I have supported Alonso since 2004 when I first watched with my dad. I just want to atleast see him with a race win before he retires

[@randomdude8877]

Alonso is an absolute 900IQ professional i would love to see him for 3 or 4 more years in F1. Not only his off track manner, but also his driving style, trying to edge ahead of everyone else with his experience and smart decisions. What a champ.

[@03056932]

Alonslow.

[@jules153]

Alonso's lap 1 overtake on Gasly in Qatar was up there with the best of the season.

[@purwantiallan5089]

But only good for 25th best.

[@sumitblogs15]

That was bloddy insane ..man...he was on edge with his tire grip

[@YesBruv66]

Ive always thought that rb wouldve been the perfect team for alonso. The rigid toughness that they both portray with the top notch consistency and aggressiveness him and rb has.

[@saurabh6322]

Red Bull won't risk bringing someone like Alonso who could legitimately challenge verstappen

[@YesBruv66]

@@saurabh6322 didnt talk about now m8

[@snowiblind]

@@saurabh6322 i don't think they care as long as they win lol

[@shadowmancy9183]

I think they'd look at his experience and ability to further the team's goals as more important than anything with Max. If you have two drivers equally capable of taking the title, then you just reinforce Rule 1.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@shadowmancy9183 Alonso had the offer to go to Red Bull in 2008 but preferred Renault and then Ferrari instead. Alonso could have had faith in a Newey design with a Renault engine but he decided against it... His choice.

[@rodentcafeteria]

I think Alonso is certainly a contrbuting factor into Alpine's noticeable increase in pace, they still haven't given him a car which is totally reliable and also capable of fighting at the front, where he should be.

[@tsecrazy00]

It's just so frustrating. We are blessed to still have Alonso for so long in F1, in such great form, only for everything to not go well. His ability is truly wasted and the teams cannot offer equipment equal to his level of driving.

[@alpineheretic7680]

Alpine have been perennial underachievers in their current guise, everyone knows this. But, The-Race (and Sky F1, to be fair) never seems to discuss their performances with any nuance. If you have even a modicum of interest in Formula 1, it’s clear that Alpine has positioned itself as the midfield team with the most potential to bridge the gap to the top 3 in the next 2-3 seasons (yes, I know this has been the narrative since 2018 give-or-take). They are delivering consistent upgrades at nearly every race, and the car is consistently receptive to almost all of the upgrades, so they know what they need to extract performance. They have been competitive at every single circuit configuration (P7 in Monaco, P5 in GB, and their highlights occur at rear-limited, power circuits such as Australia, Canada, and Austria; they should be lightning in Spa and Monza, and possibly Ricard). In the grand scheme of things, they are faster than Mclaren this year. Their engine has notably improved in terms of peak performance (they are wicked fast in power sensitive circuits and still reasonably competitive at high downforce circuits) and can focus on reliability upgrades in the coming seasons, which they have already started doing. You can look at Alonso’s season in 1 of 2 ways: the narrative that The-Race suggests, which is that Alpine is “squandering his talent,” or a narrative that suggests that Alpine has given Alonso his most competitive car in a freaking decade, at the beginning of a new regulation cycle. Recall that Alpine fired two prominent team members in the off-season, and hired Otmar as a replacement. This car hasn’t had any of Otmar’s touch in the preseason development cycle, and we know his qualities as a leader from FI/RP. Losing points in the top half of the midfield is frustrating, but it’s not the end of the world. If you think this season is anything but promising for Alpine, I think you’re twisting your opinions with recent historical bias.

[@DaVoKanfr]

Alpine said they have a new power unit design with split turbo and they focused on power since you can only make reliability fixes. So i'm not really surprised with the nuber of DNF.

[@TheDiasporaMedia]

*Renault. The engine is a Renault. The car is Alpine.

[@user-tu5tm6kn6k]

@@TheDiasporaMedia alpine is like AMG for Renault?

[@ACRLZ]

@@user-tu5tm6kn6k kind of, it’s Renault’s sports car brand.

[@Slimmeyy]

@@user-tu5tm6kn6k not really. AMG mostly just improves existing Mercedes cars (usually engine, sometimes also aero), and they'll still be called Mercedes. Alpine made their own car, and used an engine from Renault.

[@user-tu5tm6kn6k]

@@Slimmeyy I see. Thanks. AMG and Brabus is a tuner for merc. So alpine is not like them

[@daveykudel180]

Eventhough the reliability isnt at the top on alpine right now, alonso has been such a key figure towards the development of the car. With all his expirience etc. He has been massive for them

[@holtby91]

He has definitely made poor career choices, but the talent and drive is still there despite being old be modern F1 standards. If it wasn’t for poor reliability he’d be best of the rest. Maybe a few podiums if he’s lucky.

[@DimitriMoreira]

He would be old in old F1 standards too, after 1970. Look at all the greats, at 34 or 35 they would be retiring or thinking about it. Seb is 35, Lewis is 37, Alonso is 40. Kimi got to be 42. This would be ok in the 1950s and 1960s, but that's ancient F1, not old.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@DimitriMoreira Alonso has far more wrong choices than even Vettel.

[@fermillo65]

I don't think he's made bad choices. If you look at them today, sure, but when he chose to leave Renault for McLaren he nailed the timing. It didn't go well but McLaren was the place to be. Then when he went to Ferrari the car was good and clearly a contender. When he rejoined McLaren with the Honda hype who would've thought it'd go THAT bad? Drivers don't generally do a Lewis and move at the correct time to an era dominating team...

[@thehdcode7051]

It's literally one decision in 2007. McLaren wanted him out for their boy. End of it. Like the video says. Ferrari, Renault and Mclaren they all wasted him

[@UnknOwnParad0x]

Alpine just needs time to get on their feet, with Alonso mentoring an improving Ocon, they’re in for a good ride

[@Chris-xl6pd]

Are you fucking delusional? Renault team has been this level of performance nearly forever.

[@TheDiasporaMedia]

I agreed. I’d rather Piastri in Ocons seat but Ocon is okay as well. As long as Piastri gets time in Williams all is good

[@briannam1082]

@@TheDiasporaMedia this season ocon's been quite good. Silently getting points.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@briannam1082 yep. Silently scoring lucky top 7 finishes.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@TheDiasporaMedia no. I want KasuKasu alongside Ocon. Not Piastri.

[@hamza-chaudhry]

3:12 I'd argue it's been 8 races where he's had problems because he had engine issues in Bahrain and a slow pit stop in Miami which resulted in the incident with Gasly. And a subsequent safety car at the end of the race made his 5 second penalty for that collision with Gasly worse. 3:54 He was actually running really well in this race with the hards but like last time, the safety car timing really screwed up his race 4:05 Probably P4 minimum because he was likely to qualify no lower than P3 and Russell said the Alpines were quicker that weekend 4:37 Also had to start last that race due to an engine penalty 5:11 Isn't that 12 points for fourth? 5:25 Plenty of cars went wide but didn't incur damage so again he was unlucky 6:00 The floor damage was actually sustained at the end of Q1

[@ehemalssimehtt3739]

Fernando Alonso is the best F1 driver ever!

[@commanderlewisskipperton8721]

Debatable

[@Chris-xl6pd]

LOL no way.

[@chamindujanith6337]

Has a case

[@kirliefiguera8627]

He is one of the best.

[@Chris-xl6pd]

@@kirliefiguera8627 Thats fair, best ever is too far.

[@Aloyz3n]

I always wonder how he'd do (for instance) in RB alongside Verstappen, in the top car, with world class young talent as a reference point, it's obvious that he aged like a fine wine but we'll never know just how good he is now

[@PKWeaver74]

I would imagine he would rarely beat him in qualifying, and on a Sunday he would give RB a real problem by winning too many races to back either driver as the lead driver. Then Raikkonen would win the title at the last race 😉

[@Aloyz3n]

@@PKWeaver74 good one, I'll give you that

[@VonBlade]

The opposite of some other drivers where the car won the titles. He's hilariously fast in everything.

[@alltidvanlu7888]

I will for always believe Alonso is top 3 on the grid

[@hades17081997]

Alonso is top 3 pretty much anywhere :D

[@prasadchavan8313]

Best driver in the modern era for me

[@areebsiddiqui758]

I'd like to point out that if Alonso deserved the title in 2012 then Kimi deserved it in 2005. And whilst no other driver would have taken that red tractor anywhere close to a world title in the 12 season, its worth remembering the context of RB's garbage unreliable Renault engine and Mclaren who actually had the fastest car that year constantly shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity. It was actually a blessing that Vettel's engine went pop in Valencia so we got to witness one of the greatest F1 races of all time later than year in Brazil. And as funny as it might sound Ferrari nailing their strategies in the 12 season was a big part of why Alonso challenged for the title that year, crazy how in ten years we've landed at the complete opposite situation. For the record, if you put Vettel or Hamilton in the 2012 Ferrari they'd have finished over 50 points behind the world champion. Alonso was truly special that year, its just that there was more context to things. Truth be told, at the end of the day ifs and buts mean nothing in competitive sport.

[@vascocarvalho2451]

Kimi didn't even deserve his title in 07 💀

[@areebsiddiqui758]

@@vascocarvalho2451 Karma goes around and comes around. The title Kimi was robbed off in 05 was given to him in 07. Alonso was given the 05 title and the 12 title was taken from him. Hamilton was given the 08 title and 16 was taken away from him.

[@vascocarvalho2451]

@@areebsiddiqui758 yeah I guess that's true

[@gabrielariano8770]

This aged beautifully

[@TheDirtyShaman]

Alonso has probably the best control over his vehicle among all the drivers on the grid. Whenever conditions are horrible for all drivers, Alonso will place high up, indicating that whenever his skill becomes the deciding factor, he can outperform drivers with a better car than him.

[@ashokathegreat4534]

So why a rookie Hamilton beat Alonso in the same car at a wet track (Fuji 2007)?

[@Banyo__]

That moment when you saw the odd image of the car jacked up with tire blankets still on seconds before the sprint, essh. It's getting to that point where we're starting to expect everything to go wrong for him.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Fantastic video. Hopefully Alpine can improve in the season and in this new era. Keep up the good work.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Maybe anytime Alpine would evolve anytime soon.

[@ilovelimpfries]

40 years old and he's performing at a level beyond Charles and Max. Change My Mind.

[@arunk.7708]

Agree!

[@florisbackx1744]

Why change your mind? Everybody is entitled to be wrong :)

[@ferst262]

@@florisbackx1744 and yet he chose to be completely right

[@stpbasss3773]

You're high put down the pipe. He's not performing on a level beyond Max or Charles 😂😂. The Alpine is not a bad car and I guarantee Max and Charles would have more points than him in the same car.

[@ferst262]

@@stpbasss3773 not in a million years, he got a P2 in Canada with that Alpine, pretty sure only Max would be able to do that as well from all the grid drivers. And in the same car, Alonso has way more experience and could outperform Max in most races.

[@hans-joachim-klaus1087]

I hope Alpine can work the problems out and compete for the first row next season

[@mac.fk14]

alonso to redbull and the guy will win 2 more championships

[@xImCrown]

True

[@aspiknf]

Red Bull is a crappy drinks company, no thanks!

[@yahyarajaee5883]

Nobody will be sad if Alonso finally wins another championship. I believe he’ll have the whole F1 community as his supporters if he challenges for the title

[@hades17081997]

yeah, except Hamilton fans :D But everyone else supports Fernando, even if he managed to get to front this year, I can totally see him leading the grand prix and people like Max or Carlos staying behind him because of all the respect and they would be happy to come second and third to Alonso. We can dream. right ? :D

[@yahyarajaee5883]

@@hades17081997 some of Hamilton fans will be sad if anyone else wins no matter what so that doesn’t really count in my opinion.

[@TechWithShon]

The “if” video. Bad strategy and unreliability is part of the sport. That’s what makes it exciting. Even making this season more exciting

[@nitrox150]

Fernando's "ifs" are the strangest and most unfortunate set of circumstances out of all the GOATs, Schumacher and Hamilton both won and lost titles they shouldn't have, generally equalling the 7 out. Alonso has had virtually no luck ever since Michael's engine blew at Suzuka in 2006, since then, he left McLaren when they won in 2008, lost 2 titles driving for Ferrari due to the teams incompetence, left Ferrari when they started to become competitive and fight for championships, left McLaren again when they started to fight for podiums between 19/20/21, I bet if he leaves Alpine now, they'll start winning lol.

[@TechWithShon]

@@nitrox150 Dude they made their luck, where was Ferrari when before Micheal joined, where was AMG before Lewis joined. Also is not a driver to build a car, he wants a car build and use it. There’s a reason why AMG was experimenting with Lewis instead of Russell. Luck has always been on his side but it’s just on an unrecognizable level. How is he going to build the car when, whenever he goes he has a poor relationship with engineers.

[@Cos_Why_Not]

@@TechWithShon There's some truth to what you're saying but Hamilton didn't build the dominant Mercs. Rosberg deserves far more credit for that, and even so I'd be fairly hesitant to give it

[@cob-codeofbrawl7668]

Bad Strategy and unreliabilty sure are part of the sport, that only one of the 2 drivers have to deal with it is whats wrong

[@TechWithShon]

@@Cos_Why_Not lol Rosberg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂 just to discredit Lewis. Didn’t Mercedes swap engineers the year Rosberg won, cause if I remember when they swapped garages then that’s how Rosberg won.

[@MRPK1967]

Great video on a subject that ive looked at for some years . He is one of the greats without doubt. Its been painful at times to watch the outcome of some of his misfortune at various levels. However its a joy to watch him manage the difficulties. Ive called him johnny on the spot for years. Always lurking and ready to punish those that make a driving error or are not on their toes. Mopping up after other drivers battles.

[@ashokathegreat4534]

You call him one of the greats? His performance agaimnst Hamilton in a wet race (Fuji 2007) proves he is never in that list

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@ashokathegreat4534 hamilton was the best wet driver in the field at that time , another driver being better doesn't stop one being great

[@MRPK1967]

@@ashokathegreat4534 Interesting. Cant base much on one single performance now can we. One race can hardly define a career.

[@jonelson1983]

He is one of the all time greats, and should be a 3 time title winner. The fact too that he triumphed in WSC and had a serious shot at winning Indy is impressive and shows how versatile he is, and his love of actual 'driving'. And he did Dakar too. That said, every driver will have a sob story and it's the old "If my Auntie had a knob, she'd be my uncle' maxim.

[@Cos_Why_Not]

Minimum 3, has the talent to match or even exceed Vettel and Hamilton

[@PsychedeliKompot]

@@Cos_Why_Not He is better than Vettel, but not better than Hamilton. But then if we talk about deserved championships, Kimi would also sit at least at 3 (2003, 2005, 2007) and with 2 more championship worthy drives in cars that weren't good enough (2012, 2013). Kimi would've destroyed Alonso by roughly an 80 points lead if you points correct all of Kimi's car reliability issues and other reasons he lost out in 2005. Vettel was great though, no doubt. Just not quite the level of Alonso and Kimi. And two tiers below drivers like Michael Schumacher and Alain Prost.

[@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168]

@@Cos_Why_Not not a Hamilton fan, but 2007 was a really bad look for Alonso.

[@Cos_Why_Not]

@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 Absolutely, but a driver is allowed a bad season, especially when moving into a new team, with new tyres especially if McLaren truly was favoring Hamilton

[@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168]

@@Cos_Why_Not I'm a new fan, so how was Mclaren favoring Hamilton? Makes no sense in favoring a rookie over the defending champion

[@Skreezilla]

If Hamilton had stayed with McLaren, Imagine how that could have changed history? Where some drivers make the right move, IE not moving to Ferrari, and others make the right move Alonso will always make the wrong move. :p He has less luck than a black cat, under a ladder, spilling salt, not wearing green on St Patricks day.

[@revenger210]

honestly alonso's moves are on par w villeneuve moving to bar instead of mclaren in '99 - at least alonso remained competitive and has overdriven the cars given to him tho

[@kidShibuya]

If Ham stayed at Mclaren we would have had the Rosberg era of F1 domination.

[@DimitriMoreira]

@@revenger210 yeah but Alonso didn't lost the internal struggle to keep hungry like Villeneuve and so many others did. Hakkinen as well. Hakkinen was so done he announced a sabbatical. Villeneuve didn't get there but he became an unmovable object in a sport where you have to race. Montoya lost all his hunger and called it quits. I mean, it affects different people in different ways.

[@DimitriMoreira]

@@kidShibuya maybe. Who would've been Mercedes choice to replace Michael if Lauda didn't convince HAM to change teams?

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@kidShibuya Rosberg staying in F1 until 2026 could be nice too, Nathan.

[@patriotic_car5944]

Alonso is one of the unluckiest racers yet he is such a gifted talent

[@IRONHORSE427RACING]

It's really obvious that Fernando's talents are being wasted in lesser equipment. Not that their stuff is slow but Imagine what he could do if he had a Car equal to his talents....

[@ddha0000]

depends who his teammate is...........i mean he did get outdriven by a rookie at Mclaren

[@Crihs95]

Honestly, every single team after Renault has been wasting Alonso's talent

[@Orange_Flavor_Pizza]

I want to see oldest world champion 'alonso' in the near future

[@EfftupSmith]

It won't be the NEAR future. He's 40. Fangio was 46 when he won his last championship.

[@wizzywizard1668]

Just imagine Alanso in this year's Ferrari

[@mac.fk14]

also alonso is a 2 time WEC champion it just shows how great of a driver he is overall

[@Pioneero]

2-time Le Mans champion, but one-time WEC champion. All of them competing against... no one really. Yup. Your usual monthly Spanish press chauvinist slideshow.

[@kaiserberserk3622]

@@Pioneero even if he had little competition winning Le Mans twice is nothing to scoff at

[@mac.fk14]

@@Pioneero well if it's that easy why don't you go and do it or ask your fav f1 driver to do that.

[@Pioneero]

@@mac.fk14 Classic textbook fallacy: "you need to be a tree to state your opinion about trees".

[@ShineStreet]

@@Pioneero didn't you just say his competition is nothing? I guess that makes you entitled to drive against them. oh that's right, you're just looking for excuses to sh!t on Alonso.

[@grayaj23]

I agree in principle, but there's a reason I don't like "alternative history fiction". We don't live in that universe or on that timeline, so we have no way of comprehending or even guessing what other factors would have come up. Those two seasons he almost won are like "what if the South had won the US civil war". The point is, they didn't.

[@AdamMcMurry]

100%. What a strange puff piece.

[@MiiDev69]

I thought the term was "fan fiction".

[@Euclides287]

What if *Senna* doesn't die at Imola in 1994? What if *Schumacher* doesn't break his leg in 1999, or his engine doesn't blow up when he was leading the Japanese GP in 2006? What if *Hamilton* doesn't have a gear box problem in Brazil 2007, or his brand new engine doesn't blow up when he was confortably leading the race in Malaysia 2016? What if *Michael Masi* simply follows the safety car rulebook in Abu Dhabi 2021 like his mentor *Charlie Whitting* had done for decades. What if, what if, what if...

[@jondonnelly4831]

I know what you mean, imagine a what if for Hamilton where he stayed at McLaren. Would he have done any better than Alonso?

[@ctrainbeats]

@@Euclides287 very cool, theres a horizontal scroll bar on your comment lol

[@hrperformance]

I go on and off him as a person sometimes, but his talent and longevity is undeniable. He started his returning season a little slow perhaps, but he seems to be back now

[@titancheat]

They're doing well considering how poor Renault did before them. Leave them alone they know what they're doing 😉

[@alkhan44]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@TheDiasporaMedia]

It’s literally the same team. Just a cosmetic name change. And the engine is still Renault.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@alkhan44 yep. Renault Alpine know how to do.

[@titancheat]

@@TheDiasporaMedia they split the turbo. Very much not the same. Ask vettel about that Renault 2014 engine

[@TheDiasporaMedia]

@@titancheat what are you on about? I didn't say the engine is the same. All engines change. We're talking about the team, the company. Its still Renault produced in Paris. The actual location of the factory. And the team is officially Alpine Renault. Alpine=Team based in Enstone / Reanult= Engine manufacturer based in Paris.

[@louis-marlowe]

Would be interesting if you guys came back to this and see how many points Alonso would've gained (and consequently taken away from others) without his reliability issues. Quite possible that Alonso would've finished the WDC some distance in front of Norris. I also think that Verstappen, Norris, and Alonso were 2022's stand-out drivers; could probably stick Russell in that group as well, although his strategic fortune early in the season flatters him a bit.

[@arnoldmbuthia2687]

Alpine will be a competitor to Red Bull and Ferrari once the technical directives roll in in Belgium

[@zurafar6954]

hopefully, that would be amazing!

[@user-of2zr6mb9o]

Man that would be awesome. I want Alonso to win a race or at least get a podium.

[@Divebomb18]

what is that? can you elaborate or link me to any article please

[@Tomasz987987]

Trust El Plan! 2023 or 2024 WILL be his third champion year..

[@ShineStreet]

I'd like to believe in it but it's Alpine we're talking about.

[@tonka880]

You were already really good at editing your videos but the lucky wheel for points loss ? Damn! that was good.

[@RobsonRoverRepair]

I was in Spain two last week at a wedding on the weekend of then Austria GP. Regardless of what his luck has been I can tell you this, casual and hardcore Spanards about think he's brilliant. The one thing they kept saying over and over, is that he isn't unlucky, but he's surrounded by people who believe he is unlucky. An interesting perspective and one perhaps that is bad for his mindset.

[@fgsaramago]

Its about supersticion. Saying some is unlucky is not seen as a statement of fact but as a charge that he attracts bad luck

[@aloter1680]

Alonso is currently top 5 driver in 2022 though he doesn't have many points

[@aloter1680]

I would also add some other races : - Bahrain, he had an engine issue and only finished P9, which could have maybe been a P8 or even P7 - Miami, yeah he had a contact with Gasly, he finished P8 and got 5s for that and got another 5s for cutting the chicane and gaining time, however, he did slow down so that he lost the time gained while cuting the chicane, consequently, he should in my opinion just have got 5s penalty, not 10, and he would have finished P9 instead of P11

[@ashokathegreat4534]

Blabla....and Fuji 2007? What happened there?

[@aloter1680]

@@ashokathegreat4534 if Hamilton can't take a turn 🤣

[@crashfaff]

Don't forget this young rookie driver is only in his second season atm, he's been doing well with the help of his experienced teammate Ocon. Alonso definitely has potential to be a future grand prix winner and maybe even a future world champion when he's older

[@thejewbacabra4926]

Great driver. Really hoping they give him a better car soon.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Maybe 2029.

[@ashclub1]

Just brilliant!. This is a substantial summation of Alonso's time in recent seasons

[@ehemalssimehtt3739]

❤ Fernando Alonso & Alpine & Esteban Ocon ❤

[@4MULAone]

F1 is all about being in the right place at the right time. He’s got the talent for a top seat but you also need some proper educated guesses and luck.

[@GenuineRage]

no matter what team hes signed for, every year the sport find new and creative methods for shafting fernando alonso's career

[@SDRaygon]

Alpine did say they would risk reliability fot performance this year though, so if its because they pushed something in the engine too far i mean it is kinda caused by alpine, but Alonso for sure deserves those 50 points

[@purwantiallan5089]

Well thats fortunate, SDBandit.

[@xavierpradells3864]

Alonso is great! one legend!! He is driving amazing! Renault - Alpine not not well... but they are getting better

[@chrisreadman4282]

Alonso is the only driver barring maybe Lewis is able to drive around a problem in the car. This alone puts him in another league to all the others including champions.

[@BASHERSKINZ]

Disagree, definitely Max is in this catergory also and it could be argued Lewis isn't when you look at this years beginning

[@chrisreadman4282]

@@BASHERSKINZ when I mean problem I mean a ill handling car characteristics. Lewis 2009 season. This season Lewis dragged it to podiums early season was experimenting with set ups. Max never experienced this yet.

[@BASHERSKINZ]

@@chrisreadman4282 yes he has

[@alexlacl8730]

@@BASHERSKINZ Leclerc is on his level. Look at his 2020 season

[@randomtask9029]

It's sad to see such an immense talent being let down by underperforming teams over the years. And it's such a shame that title winning race seats are so few in number over F1's recent years.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

Or they are just on the spotlight because of Alonso, which makes them rush things to please him. Alpine is not that bad, considering they are still rebuilding from previous bad seasons (especially on the engine department). Also it doesn't help when Alonso starts sending threats of "talking to other teams" when Alpine is in the low. Again, it doesn't help much the team. Plus he already saw in the past how this toxic behavior can just sink a team with internal conflicts.

[@Jay-nk6dm]

I don't actually think this is a bad thing in the long term. Most of the reliability issues can be hashed out over the next few years, while performance cannot really be improved (engine-side). Alpine quite amazingly did the switch to split turbo, and comparing it to hondas switch in 2016, its going way better.

[@sir_ian-z77]

He is obviously the best driver since Michael. What he’s achieved in comparatively poor machinery during his time at ferrari and Renault ( 08,09 ) is nothing short of superb. The results speak for themselves and is only underwhelming because we all know, love him or hate him, that he deserves to be the one matching Michael in terms of world title wins and all the other accolades that come with having a top car for a long period of time. Fernando Alonso is the greatest driver, the best all around performer - since 2006.

[@arnaudj.5314]

I like the idea of estimating "points if.." but how can you hypothetically add points to Alonso's tally without it affecting other driver's tally??

[@yungtemplario]

Well, his story with Alpine is ending this season

[@quigglyz]

Put him in the old Merc and he’s a 10-time WDC no problem. And no need for team orders.

[@guttsu]

Loving that YOU LOST graphic 😂

[@persezyra]

Max, Charles, George, Fernando. Then the rest. Dude's goated.

[@n6mad835]

it makes me sad to see OGs not getting decent results knowing they so much better than that, and they take it like a champ but still u can see the pain or frustration in their eyes. Like Alonso, Seb, Ric, Lewis, Kimi even tho its more of a hobby for him.

[@commanderlewisskipperton8721]

F in the chat for the golden generation.

[@banana-ui2qd]

its because they know that 30-40% of the grid can win championships if they were given a car like the 14-21 merc, the problem is most fans have no clue that the car is 75% of what makes someone a champion. what makes them(alonso and vetttel) a goat driver is what they can do with a crap car, like alonso putting a tractor ferrari above lewis, button and almost beating vettel from 2010-2013

[@marsEv310]

We need Alonso back on podium; I miss his crazy celebratory dances

[@doctoronishispsychosislab1474]

looking forword to the full break down of who has lost points due to no fault of there own revised standing. make it a mid season special every year ^^

[@5secondsisayoke105]

7:50 what a Yoke! Fernando could have been a 5 time world champion. So close 😢

[@SachaSommer]

Alonso Proofs my point that the car is the star. See how Hamilton is doing without a competitive car.

[@alexlacl8730]

He's doing good

[@aspiknf]

Of course the car is the star. In the past, it was more about driver skill, now it's more about how good the car company you're driving...which is why Ferrari and Red Bull will keep dominating sadly in the future races this year.

[@johnw9556]

Everyone always seem to be accused of wasting Alonso. I love the guy but there comes a point where he needs to take most of the blame for a largely wasted career( which is a weird thing to say about a double champion!)

[@ezmezm276]

He needs to take the blame for driving sub par machinery? What was he meant to do in the McLaren Honda or an Alpine or a crapbox Ferrari..

[@LouSassol69er]

Short sighted opinion.

[@johnw9556]

@@ezmezm276 He needs to take the blame for his decision making.

[@shafinibrahimhossain6123]

Does anyone has control over luck?

[@Alto53]

@@kevinvanharen1740 he stayed at Renault more than 1/2 seasons, stayed at Ferrari more than 1/2 seasons, stayed at Mclaren more than 1/2 seasons. Not sure what are you referring to?

[@saintmoz]

Let’s add a fourth boys, but it’s not a bug it’s a feature, it is Le Plan.

[@pabloruedaarzoz8065]

You can now add Monza and Singapur, in Monza he had power issues, that's brutal considering all the straights Monza has. He ended up retiring, but if he didn't have any problems, he could have perfectly finsished 6th or 7th. In Singapur, Vertstappen would have probably passed him, and who knows what could have happened between Alonso and Norris, plus, who knows if Verstappen would have made a mistake when trying to pass Norris, if Alonso was there. But, if things went as they did, Verstappen falling behind, and Alonso remained behind Norris, he would be fighting with Sainz and Norris for a potential podium, he would have finished 7th at absolut worst if he finished Singapur, 3rd at absolut best, and that's not too much of a stretch. That's at the very least another 12 points lost, maybe more, and he still has to penalize cause of the engine

[@ml8022]

@Mark Hughes. Dear Mark i've got a question for you. In your last colmn you asked yourself why Max Verstappen has changed his drivingstyle? Why you didn't mention anything about how Hamilton fought? Hamilton was very agressive as well. The world wants a journalist who isn't biased.

[@GlobalNomadPete]

Perfect driver to progress in the new rules era though. Same goes for Vettel at Aston, Bottas at Alfa and Ricciardo at Mclaren. Noone talks about the experience these drivers bring to a team with such big changes. We can see it in action with Hamilton and Mercedes. They will all stay on to get the cars right and then either be competitive or retire.

[@whassupg89]

Hope they get it together because that car is quick when it works

[@chuckdegoal3264]

Agreed. An exceptional driver, who has not had any luck with his teams. All the great ones always found a match with the best teams. Otherwise, they would not have touched greatness: Prost w/ McLaren & Williams; Senna w/ McLaren; Schumacher w/ Benetton & Ferrari; Hamilton w/ Mercedes...

[@shr2000]

This thing of team wasting a driver's ability also applies to seb this year imo. Both great drivers being let down by thier teams

[@thekidwhodraws]

Damn the wheel of fortune graphics are wild. Tons of work to make those

[@ananastudio]

I still can't believe that Alpine and BWT took that nice 2021 livery away from us

[@fqeagles21]

I HATE BWT!!!!

[@ashutoshgaming6664]

Teams wasting alonso or alonso wasting teams ,is it obvious how come 3 teams waste such talent , means something is wrong with him i know many fans will not like but that is truth

[@justmethenetherlands2218]

I would like to see Alonso drive for RedBull. That would be a great combination with Verstappen.

[@selder_7]

Buxton gave this video a shoutout on the weekend warm up for France there

[@ThePandasian34]

Alonso and the f2012, was a clear showing of PEAK Alonso talent, making a FERRARI F1 car which was 6th at best, be only 3 points of beating Seb and his Championship winning grade RB was a master class

[@WorselRummage]

Calling the 2012 Ferrari "limited" is extraordinarily kind.

[@pato10111]

He's a great driver and could win a championship at a top team but personality plays a part when being recruited into the best car and it's clear that he was challenging to work with before leaving F1 and ended up at a midfield team on his return.

[@1BCamden]

Great episode, brings into to the light the plight of many great drivers

[@zacharysuderman478]

If you think about it, Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel's careers have followed similar paths. Both had success and consecutive world championships early on in their careers followed by a few glimmers of hope here and there, but they've never quite reached their former success and glory. Actually sad to think about given that they are both excellent drivers.

[@chapel976]

I hope he still has the ability to get his triple crown with an Indy 500 win at some point. Granted, Indy drivers seem to still be capable of winning late into their careers. I hate when people talk about "old man Alonso" because he's nearly the exact age as me (a few days difference)

[@xImCrown]

I mean He was leading the indy 500 and got a DNF. Of course He is better than the other indy drivers and has already showed it. He can win it when He would have no problems at his next try. But in his short documentary "Fernando Alonso - One must fight" has He said that he isnt 100% sure, but He thinks that he doesnt want to go back to indy or to another professional driving after his F1 career. Sad but i think we have to accept that he has deserved his free time without racing. Let us just enjoy his last 1/2 years in F1 and wish him some good last races, He desveres it. Completest Driver of all time🙏

[@chapel976]

@@xImCrown well, the nice thing about the Indy 500 is it is just one race week in the long run. but if the triple crown isn't something he cares about, who am I to say otherwise

[@jacksevers3177]

I think with the appointment of otmar and the budget cap being introduced, alpine ould be a genuine leader of midfield/ occasional capitalist given thar otmar has been getting the best out of the force India budget for years.

[@gowthamv7856]

He is the smartest driver on the grid now with all his experience and him giving it everything. You can see it on the onboard vidoes and the smart tactics he uses in every race.

[@mikelumbreras4903]

Alonso still a brilliant and very challenging pilot on a grid. Personally I really don't think Alpine is wasting Alonso. They both knew it would 'nt be easy to get back at a very honorable place in F1 concidering all the changes on the car this season right after Renault got back in F1. Alonso still lucky to have a wheel at his age. There a lot of rookies very talented nowadays. Beside the 2022 season isn't over and hopefully we will see him evoluat with Alpine cause if his quiting know where would he go ?