How Amazon Made the 1 Million Lumen Flashlight

[@TorqueTestChannel]

This is episode 20 in a series of testing various light types, usually from actual brands: kzbin.info/aero/PLYka5JBKPLHEfG1w1WC_bbN4vQglwyp5n

[@jjchouinard2327]

Do you guys ever contact Amazon regarding these bonkers false (advertising) claims?

[@mohamed1104]

Can you use 18650 batteries in these lights? I have never heard of the batteries that come with them.

[@SpatialDragon]

I am looking for a headlamp. I have tried a couple of the led bands and they sucked. I want something that is a floodlight first and if possible a spotlight. So far Harbor Freight is the best I have tried. I haven't noticed a test on them here, I have watched a couple of years. If you get a chance, thanks. You guys rock.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Headlamps: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6CVdoGAlpKberM - Yes you can use 18650's in these lights with the collar spacer some of them come with. - We've reported dozens of these for misleading claims, yes.

[@Feldmarshall12]

@@TorqueTestChannel Small sugestion for future tests. Add another round of tests with standarized batteries (for example 5C discharge current from Samsung, withsimilar energy density for different sizes). This way you would test the lights factoring out the batteries.

[@komitadjie]

Man, I've been noticing those "Review Hijacks" quite a bit myself. I'm an Amazon Vine reviewer, so I end up getting to test out and review a fair bit of stuff before it even hits the main pages. On quite a few of my reviews, I've gone back to update something as I've put more time on the item and have more input to give - Only to find out that the item being sold that has my first review isn't even close to what I actually reviewed! My favourite there so far was reviewing a $9.95 pressure washer extension wand. It was pretty good, nice and solid, good quick-connects, held up well in use. Not a big deal, pretty simple item. I reviewed it five stars - it was a good value and did what it was supposed to well. Come back in a couple months to update and say that after a few months of use it was still holding up well... Lo and behold, that page is now selling a $199 electric pressure washer instead! And still has my five-star review on it! (I dumped the review to one-star and detailed why.)

[@kylek29]

I've had the same experience. Even good brands are doing it (recycling prior model pages). They could handle it by putting a time-limit / edit-diff system on their listings -- something like a limitation on editing the listing after X days of it being published, after that period, you can only strikeout and/or add "citation" markers that link to a "Product Updates" section, with the main text being locked from the addition of text from there on out. Include a similar system for images and a prominent "report listing" button for customers, and these sellers would have to find a new way to cheat.

[@vink6163]

Sounds like you need to start including the product name and price at the start of your review so people know when that happens

[@JS-bh5pm]

Most people are thinking of cleaver ways just to rip you off. Amazon should Banned these people for life

[@Badkitty24]

@@vink6163 This is what i do. I type out the EXACT ITEM and price i am reviewing, because they group many items together that aren't even the same.

[@rudetoy8264]

We need more of you out there😂

[@ThriftyToolShed]

Wow! .05% of claim! None of the crappy ones even reached .25%🤯 How in the world... Excellent testing as always TTC👍

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Thanks Thrifty!

[@PopularClipsChannel]

that omalight specifically was horrible, wow

[@chubbysumo2230]

how is this not false advertising on amazon's part?

[@TorqueTestChannel]

It's technically not Amazon doing the advertising, but the vendor. Though we used to hold retailers responsible for that, i.e. is Walmart was selling another brand's TV and it says 42" but measured 39" diagonally we'd probably blame Walmart. But Amazon is so massive, we've equated it to Ebay and just sort of shrug now like "what can be done" which I do sort of agree with. It's Whack-a-mole like we cover towards the end of the episode. But I also feel it's in Amazon best interest to stay relevant to at least try. Their search engine usually turns up just trash lately.

[@RetiredEE]

​@@TorqueTestChannelopen up a few of those "suspiciously light" batteries and I'll bet you find a smaller battery inside. Once you've weighed the empty sleeves you'll get a reasonably ballpark correction factor to ID the probable internal batteries within. Of course you've already measured the battery capacity, but this can add an extra column to the spreadsheet. Another great review 👍

[@egx161]

Jeff Bezos and Amazon does not care about fraud, counterfeiting or fraudulent claims. $$$$$ I canceled my Prime account years ago.

[@danr1920]

It's not false advertising, it's FRAUD!

[@someguy2741]

They wont because it would trigger the blue-haired nose-ring weirdo-NPC army of the 0.0001% of people to complaine of all kinds of "-isms". The "army" is convinced that the chinese companies would never risk "their good name". They have ZERO ability to understand that the companies are made up names. Dont expect amazon to ever do anything unless there is a major safety concern after a lot of injury.

[@shadowgolem9158]

For reference...a very powerful arc welder generates around 200000 lumens. A 20k$ pro follow spot throws about 14000 lumens at 100 feet. Which feels pretty warm even at that distance.

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

The current top of the line led reach ~200Lumen/watt at reasonable power levels. Even with those, you'd still need a 5000W led array to reach that brightness.

[@mondavou9408]

helpful

[@flakby3085]

For another reference: A WW2 150 cm searchlight, which were used to light up planes up to 12 km high, has roughly 1.25 million lumens. (And pretty much 1 billion candela because it's a very focused beam)

[@ohioplayer-bl9em]

@@flakby3085those could have been used as weapons at shorter distances. Can you imagine lightning that up with it focused on the tree line the enemy is hiding in. It would instantly blind the for several minutes and possibly cause permanent damage. It stimulates my mind to think of all sorts of horrible weapons based on light. A tree line 2-3 miles away, 10 search lights fire up at once and all point at the same spot.. the woods will start to smolder 😂. Anyone that looks towards the light to try and shoot at it would be blinded and unable to open there eyes for days 😢

[@ArtemisKitty]

And let's not forget one almost everyone is familiar with: The sun! That's around 127,000 lumens, roughly.

[@RetiredEE]

I eagerly await the "1 Billion" Lumen light from Amazon...

[@volvo09]

It'll come after we hit 2 million, 5 million, 10 million, 100 million, 500 million 😂

[@TorqueTestChannel]

I hope you're willing to wait..... a whole 3 weeks :P

[@RetiredEE]

@@TorqueTestChannel someday, flashlights will be rated in "Suns" 🌞 (which incidentally someone once calculated to be ~36 Octillion lumens). Will it stop there? Noooooo Mr. Bond! TTC will be testing $39 Amazon flashlights with "20 GigaSuns" ratings. Eventually it will all become meaningless. Nietzsche was right. The TTC will become the existential nihilist channel.

[@rhetorical1488]

I have my pennies saved up for the sharks with laser beams.

[@agoogleuser1188]

Bros got goals beyond our understanding

[@epointy]

I love the flashlight series!(and I want more!)

[@TsunauticusIV]

I love it too. I’ve always loved flashlights. I have more flashlights than any one man should have… and I regret buying none of them. 😆

[@secret5.]

Still waiting on a Klarus in a future lineup.

[@someguy2741]

Most people have no idea of what measurements of anything is anymore. Or they think "led" is all the same. I showed my neighbor the difference between a cheap 10w led and a nice one. It was incredibly apparent what it was worth.

[@hugegamer5988]

“Or they think "led" is all the same” Yea, I don’t get it either. First everyone complains it’s a toxic metal, then it’s heralded as the bastion of efficient light creation and a green product.

[@victorro8760]

​@@hugegamer5988 And before all that, everyone used the word as past tense of "lead". They're so inconsistent.

[@vink6163]

Plus everyone thinks it's new technology, but even buildings hundreds of years old have leadlights in them

[@anondimwit]

@@vink6163 cause they replaced the bulbs?

[@vink6163]

@@anondimwit No because leadlight is the name of the multi-coloured glass windows you see in old churches, it was meant to be a joke but apparently nobody knows that's what those old windows are called!

[@DigitalIP]

I've been using a USB 5v-24v step up converter to power a 12v Spot/Off road light with a USB Power bank. Since ive been DIY'ing my own lights i havent needed a normal flashlight for quite some time now.

[@mromutt]

haha I use a drill battery and one of those old style round glass headlights for a flashlight, dyi lights are great. I slapped it together in one of those cheap plastic "ammo" cases you get at walmart for 5 or 6 bucks.

[@DigitalIP]

@@mromutt See thats the thing, i initially also used a 20v 6amp Craftsman battery along with their 150w DC-AC Inverter to power various 12v Fog/Spot/Lightbars with a 12v power supply plugged into it, but it was just too bulky for my liking, then i remembered i had the USB step up converter modules, went through my stash of USB power banks to find one that could handle the startup current and i was good to go. Much easier to manage without the extra size/weight of the 20v battery in addition to the power supply compared to a small USB Power bank..

[@mromutt]

@@DigitalIP for mine I was kind of going for the form factor. I always wanted one of those jurassic park flashlights haha. That and I like setting it down and pointing it at the work like under the sink. I am working on a small handheld though with a motorcycle fog light and either my Bosch 12v or hypertough 12v batteries, they both have a good interface and shape to use spade terminals for a homemade direct quick connect to the battery. Need to work out a handle body still.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

@@mromutt The high beam on a sealed beam throws way better than this Amazon junk. Great idea.

[@crherniman]

​@@BigEightiesNewWave there is a company that prints housings with big brand power tool battery adapters. They use a Baja Designs squadron fog lamp. I want one but don't want to spend the $. Baja designs isn't cheap!

[@tasaman]

I picked up two Wurkkos and for the money they can't be beat in my opinion. I also own Fenix, Olight, and Nightcore. For $26 on sale the FC11 is a great edc choice and great gift.

[@danielcrouch6589]

Love my Wurkkos TS70! Best house light I've ever had; turns night into day!

[@ptester1]

This is one of the many reasons I refuse to shop on Amazon. It is nothing but a glorified flea market for cheap Chinese knockoffs. Product descriptions are worthless and fraudulent. Reviews are also worthless. Even 'legit' goods are often fake. I'd rather take my money to my local store.

[@SJ-hz7iu]

Most stupid comment ever.. as if the localnstore has different manufacturer, which is not available in Amazon.. Plus, almost everything comes from China these days.. Swallow the bitter fact..

[@geert574]

u can also get legit stuff way cheaper bro

[@leftcoastfunk]

the completely unethical review hijacking/product page editing on Amazon is SO out of hand. I review a LOT of Amazon products through their Vine program, mostly from these small marketplace vendors. Every time I see that the product page has been edited to/from a completely different product my review is an instant 1-star. Amazon really needs to either lock down product listings to permanently tie them to reviews for that exact item and/or force any product listing edits to be approved through an actual human review process Anyway, I always appreciate these types of product reviews you do, and especially you calling these sellers out for their unethical BS

[@Feldmarshall12]

Amazingly, I feel the advertising on aliexpress is now much closer to reality. If you ignore 10kW 1M lumen crap, you can often find info on what emitter is actually used and get realistic data. Convoy is a brand I have good expierience with. They specify LED model, light spectral temperature, CRI, realistic maximum power draw etc. Another example: on my bike I use towild BR800, that feels like couple of hundreds lumen light and has an asymteric spot to limit blinding other people... And you can swap 18650 cells on long rides. P.S: It may be better to use some standarized 'middle of the pack cells' when testing, to separate performance of the flashlight from performance of the battery. For flashlights 5-10C cells should be more than enough (10C means discharge current of in mA of 10*capacity in mAh). Anyway, keep up the good work: )

[@nicholasvinen]

I have a Convoy, I like it. Good value and you can customise each torch.

[@moonrazk]

There's quite a bunch of good flashlight brands on Ali, the one shown here, Wurkkos, Convoy, like you said, Sofirn and Lumintop as well.

[@saddlepiggy]

You’re completely right. I don’t use Amazon for projects because they never have technical specs or even rough dimensions while aliexpress will give you dimensiones drawings. And it arrives in 1-2 weeks instead of 1-2 months now.

[@churblefurbles]

Trusty convoy, mine all still work, and they have plenty of accessories, and the best part, you can pick color temperature.

[@alex_thecarguy]

A while back I was looking for new rear bilstein shocks for my truck. I checked amazon over a few weeks. One day a pair of those shocks came up for $129, much less than the usual $99 each. Seeing the -50% amazon price, I decided to go with it, only to be shipped ONE shock for 30 dollars above market price. When I went back to the listing, the picture of two shocks had changed to one, as well as the description, but I had screenshots. Seller ended up giving me a full refund and amazon sent me a free replacement shock. But the point is, the listing changes are real, and they can bite you in the ass quick. ALWAYS screenshot if you have even a hint of suspicion. Amazon needs to up their QC game... And by that I mean have any seller qc at all.

[@harpintn]

Just one of many reasons I don't buy from Amazon.

[@jttech44]

Really they need a means to actually report a listing, and have a listing auto-pulled if there are enough verified buyers reporting it.

[@devyn10111]

Can you do tests on the portable car air compressors? Maybe evaluate speed, max psi, functionality, ease of use? I know a few of them are junk

[@TorqueTestChannel]

I've never met one worth a damn, i don't have 4 mins per tire to wait around. But off-road i suppose it's better than nothing

[@rudolphna54]

@@TorqueTestChannel Funnily enough, the Harbor Freight 12V one is by far the best 12V one available I've found, it's the fastest and quietest.

[@jeffh7021]

The Milwaukee m18 tire inflator is by far the best portable inflator right now. Nothing else is even close, from what I've seen.

[@riba2233]

​@@jeffh7021 I wouldn't say nothing else is close, ridgid is not far and also makita which has a bit less power but is smaller, has deflation button and double the duty cycle

[@SGTMinguez]

@TorqueTestChannel Maybe do one with the 12V wired ViAir, Tireflate, ARB and the knockoff ARB compressors, since Todd at Project Farm already did a similar battery powered inflator test?

[@iamdarth8393]

As someone who works with global machine shops and suppliers, I have on many occasions encountered potential suppliers supplying perfect first articles for validation and then shipping unusable junk after validation is approved. Once had a Chinese hardware supplier provide a Grade 2 spec bolt (lowest standard grade) that failed pressure testing at half its designed load. There response: it was wasn't a grade 2 bolt, it was a bolt made from "grade 2 steel". "Grade 2 steel" isn't a standard way of classifying steel. They sent good samples then got caught send garbage pot metal bolts for production use.

[@mercMADCommando]

The product page changes go well beyond just changing description and specs. I've seen stuff completely change items (often unrelated) and they keep their old ratings, reviews, etc. Amazon turned into ebay 2.0 over the last few years.

[@Bolero6879]

I love watching these flashlight comparisons, you should test UV lights at some point!

[@mromutt]

Oh man thats a whole can of worms! and right up their alley with the wild claims and false advertising thats rampid.

[@joeschmo622]

Just for the record, Sofirn and Wurkkos all use the same factory to produce their products, but they're independent and separate companies. There's even a bit of rivalry between them, as each takes their lights in different directions. I'm a fan of both Sofirn and Wurkkos, and have quite a bunch of their lights, and they're largely quite good. And unlike other mfrs, both use their own branded cells which are also quite good (usually) Lishen cells, which may not be 30Qs or VTC6es, but I always test the come-with cells, and they always clock in within 10% if not 5% of their rated mAH. "Rule of thumb" is that a reputable mfr's cells that are self-branded (Wurkkos, Sofirn, Wuben, Acebeam, Nitecore, etc.) are almost universally good-to-excellent cells. No-name generic-wrapped cells from alphabet-soup name companies are usually crap, pulled from recycle bins which is a *HUGE* industry in a certain large Asian country. So what *was* a good 5000mAH 26650 is now a recycled-and-rewrapped 2000mAH cell slipped into a Wsinawoo or Bebopadoo generic light.

[@TroyStevensStelzerPaintingInc]

Thanks for another great vid! I think another reason these companies change specs & offerings so frequently is to spread the bad reviews around. Let's face it, if any one of those offerings you tested were to remain unchanged for long enough, nobody would be willing to waste their money, since 1 star reviews would dominate, (except for all the fake 5 star reviews, but that's a theme for another day).

[@matthewdrew6268]

Been using my ts32 for about a year now. I also have p45 cells. It's a great light I took the handle off and it fits in my cup holder nice. Would recommend

[@gucky4717]

I use the Nitecore MH12 Pro myself. It uses a 5300mhA 21700 and outputs about 3300 Lumen with the turbo, but I usually use the 1200 high mode, since Turbo drains the battery and overheats the LED after a short time. And 1200 Lumen is more then enough.

[@jttech44]

If you actually measure most batteries, they're usually C or B grade cells, nitecore included. You can get -alot- more capacity if you ditch whatever comes with the flashlight and purchase the cells separately.

[@chimrichalds1422]

I know alot of you are upset with Amazon and using words like false advertising and fraud, but none of that really matters because once someone blows that 600Db airhorn we're all dead anyway. Just enjoy life while you can.

[@Random_4400]

Flashlights are the only reason why i subscribed to this channel, keep up the good work!

[@tda2806]

A word of caution, XHP with numbers other than 35, 50 or 70 have nothing to do with Cree, one of the flashlights (torches for us Brits) has XHP160.5 on its box.

[@brainkill7034]

Non-crony capitalism at its finest. The big boys aren’t interested in doing the work, or paying TTC to do it for them, but the work gets done anyway because the market for it exists. Cheers to all you do for the average person, it obviously does not go unnoticed. Thank you for sharing!

[@JoeTheDIY]

It's like the wild west days of online retailing. One day we'll look back on these days and say we were there in those wild times of incredible claims.

[@johnsmith7676]

No... This is the Dead West. They destroyed it just like they said they would.

[@TheZigZiggy]

Whatever happened to the truth in advertising laws?

[@volvo09]

Amazon laughs at laws

[@scott8919]

Depends on how hard the authorities want to crack down on it. There's probably so many that lie that it is impossible to catch up to them.

[@hornetf18]

@@scott8919 Also even when the seller is caught, they just shut down and re-emerge as a different seller with a different name. That’s why there are so many sellers with random combinations of letters as names. Amazon will still make money, so they have little incentive to enforce these laws.

[@TheRealMikeWilly]

@@scott8919that and the fact that they kill off their brand names every couple months which makes prosecution impossible.

[@mediocreman2]

Amazon is essentially China's consumer portal. Amazon has no interest in losing their best customer, which isn't you, it's chinese sponsored products.

[@grumpycat_1]

Amazon Customer: "I bought the cool new flashlight" Amazon's customer's Bro: "But how many Lumens does it have???" Amazon Customer: "ALL OF THEM"

[@SEBTECHDIY]

That's why I like companies like Olight who truly test lumens, candela, runtime and give the result of their tests.

[@Bartjuhhh103]

You should check out thhe Ansmann flashlights, they are German made and used a lot in Europe

[@JeffreyHyun]

I'm a budget minded light freak from the incandescent days of candlepowerforums. I've since switched to headlamps and they've literally saved my life a couple times mountaineering, whitewater, and rock climbing. I've owned maybe 40 over the years but have been stuck on Fenix as of late. The line refactor and new models are a bit weird and not sure i like the quality of light but could you test some? All-time favorite headlamp Fenix HL60R and the "too-bright for anything normal but great for seeing 60m up a cliff while climbing" HM70R. I can lend you mine if it makes things easier.

[@RyanBarrier]

Appreciate the video. I bought the Omalight a few months ago and came to the same conclusion. My guess from eyeballing was that it was between 500 and 1000 lumens. Nice to get some confirmation that I'm not crazy. I returned the light as defective since it was far below started claims and requested they send me a replacement. The replacement was no better, so I gave it a 1 star review and the seller offered to refund the purchase price and let me keep the light. I would have gladly paid $10-$15 for it since it is indeed a working flashlight, but zero is even better. And they had to eat the cost of the return as well. I think that's probably the only way to discourage the lies, to return products that don't live up to claims, forcing the suppliers to eat the costs. Eventually they will realize there's no money in this game and move on. But as long as there are people keeping the products and blaming themselves, these snakes will persist. Don't be afraid. Use Amazon's return policy. Amazon doesn't take the hit, the sellers do. And rightfully so.

[@paranoiia8]

Few times I took apart those cheap batteries. They are so empty, when open them it in quiet room you can hear vacuum suck air inside... I bet that someone already think about putting inside them sand to make them feel heavier :D

[@volvo09]

I've seen a picture of an 18650 teardown that had sand inside... It was really just a tiny 200mah "vape pen style" battery in a bigger case and filled with sand 🤣

[@nich.894]

With this I can finally become the gnat lord

[@alexandergonzalez1167]

Lord of the Moths

[@solhays]

The Sofirn Q8+ is a beast of a light for less than half of the Wurkkos. If you use the Molicels and bypass the negative springs you can safely hit 20k lumens.

[@karter61]

We dont have amazon in my country, but can someone let me know. I heard there is good buyer protection, so can you buy this, then claim its not outputting the rated lumens and get a full refund, basically screwing over the scam sellers and getting a free flashlight?

[@twm1452]

You would have to return the flashlight, so no, you won’t get it for free.

[@sunalwaysshinesonTVs]

This video is missing a demo of an ACTUAL 900,000 lumen light .... ya know, for comparison.

[@tbelding]

Look up 'Carbon arc search light' The 60 inch rhodium plated parabolic ones ran around 800,000,000 candela. The current ones on the Luxor in Las Vegas apparently use 39 xenon lamps at roughly 13.65 million lumens to produce 9.2 billion candlepower. (Wikipedia for the second, it also lists the first, but you can see films and similar of those WW-II ones)

[@subby280]

This is how investigavite journalism used to be. Thanks for the video!

[@GlyphZero]

Frankenlight, how many pieces of different flashlights fit together and could that make a better flashlight?

[@bping777]

@Torque Test Channel have you done testing of the major tool brands flashlights that use their regular tool batteries? Models like DCL040, PCL660, 2735-20, and others.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

We haven't but can. Our current limitation is sphere opening diameter, and power tool lights not advertising the light head size. but the ones you listed are small enough i believe

[@PaulSteMarie]

You should be able to return these to Amazon as not as described on the website, but Amazon has a habit of "firing" customers who return too many items. I wish lawmakers would quit whining about how Amazon is abusing the poor third party sellers and instead focus on how Amazon is conspiring with shady Chinese firms to commit fraud with inflated specifications, counterfeit UL certifications, and items that fail to meet minimal safety standards.

[@PhillyFixed]

MY EYESSSS oh wait nah I'm fine.

[@svenRalf]

watch out! at 2:00 these double stack 26650 cells are most of the time unbalanced and given their low quality will ofset pretty quickly to a noticable ammount and pose a big fire risk.

[@daniel9111]

Your channel is gold. Keep it up

[@m_cabral]

I use streamlight regulated 18650s with the built in charging circuit in my cheap flashlights so I know there’s at least one good regulation circuit involved. I also don’t charge in the flashlight since I may as well add some caution to my caution.

[@brainiac9579]

Great review, video, as always. I have a question: Did you measure the light output in strobe mode? When I had access to the equipment, I did on a couple of flashlights the kids got as gifts and they were generating around twice the intensity as in "normal" mode. The reason was that since it's not operating in CC mode, they were overdriving the LED. Not saying that any of your test subjects would have met their claims in strobe, but it might be fun to add that measurement if it differs from from normal mode.

[@cerbrain]

Thank you for the review. I have always wondered how some manufacturers could make such absurd and dishonest claims without being punished.

[@Phaota]

My favorite high beam LED flashlight is one I got off Wish years ago. Oddly, it doesn't have any makers marks, so it is obviously from China, but it is available on Amazon under the title "Foleto Rechargeable LED Spotlight Flashlights 120000 High Lumens". Sure, it's made of hard plastic and definitely would not survive a hard impact, but it is super bright and looks great for a thrower IMO and only costs $30. It also comes with a tripod stand, if so desired to use it.

[@wadet73]

Test the LED headlight for hardhats or just slipping on to walk the dogs. I have 2 Smiling Shark brand lights with 230° COB lights along the front and a separate thrower. Once fully charged, these lights begin dimming after a few minutes. I found if the on/off sensor is on and you wave 👋🏼 to turn light off, wave again and it comes on at 💯 again. But yes, I have found using these headlamps frees up my hands when walking the dogs. Great content

[@eakamjotsingh4037]

dam fresh ass video

[@hugegamer5988]

This is right up there with shop vacs saying they are 5hp and plugging into 120V @15A. Even with 100% power factor (hint it’s not even close) and 100% efficient motors we are talking 1800watts available and a horsepower is about 746 watts. 2.4 is the max under physics and 1.5 is the max in reality and 1.0 - 1.3 is about the most and still be up to electrical codes.

[@jttech44]

Also remember that on a 15A service the maximum long-term load is 80% of that, so for big gear that's supposed to run for hours at a time, it's even lower. Hence why you don't find space heaters that are over 1500w unless they require a 20A service. I strongly suspect that shop vacs are being measured with the motor spun up onto a dyno that's taking an instantaneous measurement as the motor spins down in order to get higher horsepower numbers, which isn't a valid test by any means. Realistically, they should be measured by mm/h2o, but, they shy away from that because they're likely all very nearly the same.

[@ExcavationNation]

Rule of thumb if you focus all the way narrow and see a square you bought a piece of junk.

[@barronhelmutschnitzelnazi2188]

Normally zoomie lights are pretty bad in general too lol

[@jasonhill9088]

Do you think you will ever test LEP Laser flashlights?

[@CrashOD]

This is the first video I've seen on this channel; it just popped up in my list. I enjoy videos where people conduct thorough reviews, testing out all the different features. I've now subscribed to this channel for all future videos. With a million lumens, you could probably blind someone-likely worse than a flash grenade, lol. I must say, I did get a small Olight I3E 90 lm that uses a AAA battery, and it works quite well. Of course, it doesn't last very long-45 minutes with an alkaline battery and 70 minutes with NiMH, according to the specifications. I just use it to check the mailbox at night about three to four times a month. The battery lasts me quite a while. I check the mailbox at one of my jobs where I have to pick up mail at night. I go through the mail for mine and leave the rest. Imagine if it had a million lumens and you could focus that beam. You could probably blind people from miles away, lol.

[@mediocreman2]

When are you guys going to start testing color temperature and CRI?

[@jttech44]

They're all going to be pretty terrible in that regard. Usually 6500k with a

[@Erafune]

The $130 one is actually 100% worth the almost 4x higher price of the $35 one. You get twice the lumen working for twice as long, perfectly adding up to 4x more performance. The graph at 10:40 is everything. Especially the part between 10 minutes and 60 minutes / 120 minuites. The first 10 minutes "max" output is laughably unpractical for any use. The $35 one gives you 900 lumen +-100 for 1 hour, after that unreliable. The $130 gives you 1900 lumen +-200 for 2 hours. Love to see cost and performance line up like that

[@DjkFarmdunn]

ever seen LEP flashlights? should really give them a shotvid like to see how they measure

[@orvaroth1613]

Do they make / have you tried any tools with the lifepo4 batteries? cheers

[@garrettgiuffre7298]

I kind of wish you would try the Costco sale of duracell's three pack rechargeable dual mode, both their custom proprietary batteries and regular AA batteries. You get three 1200 lumen flashlights for $20 and then I believe the Cobalt brand husky brand Infinity brand and possibly a few other flashlights are based on the same kind of design with rechargeable and non-rechargeables packs. Also being sold in similar three pack varieties and see what the difference between the lights are and the projector and how much throw. I purchased the Cobalt brand from Lowe's and found that it just didn't have enough throw for me. There was no real zoom. Very very bright light. Good run time. Good build but unfortunately doesn't go far

[@aarondavies8486]

Nice one here in the uk fishing from the bank and casting like 150 yards and these torches will help me out when night fishing and seeing my lead plop

[@twistedwhiskeymaker]

Fenix is the way to go.

[@c0pyimitati0n]

Can you recommend a great flashlight with a _wide_ beam? I ride a Onewheel and I often ride trails in the dark. I need a flashlight that isn't just a single bright hotspot. I need a super wide beam so the trail is lit evenly edge to edge.

[@DRV-mt5dd]

Excellent, thanks! This should be shown to business and marketing classes.

[@Risen_Q]

I found this channel from that OG flashlight video. Was deer hunting season, and one we shot ran into the back woods at closing on a rainy day. After trying to navigate dark, rainy woods with a AA powered flashlight out of a horror game, I decided it was time for something that would turn that woods into day. That Goreit while specs are massively false advertised is a pretty badass flashlight. I got 3 of the older versions and 1 of the new ones. Plus the interstate sleeper you tested. Love the videos.

[@1lumen]

Nice! We've done almost 700 flashlight reviews so far, and could easily tell those to be exaggerated ;) 1,000,000 lumens... :D The brightest top 5 together don't even come close to 1 million lumens.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Shout out to 1lumen!

[@1lumen]

@@TorqueTestChannel thank you!

[@booom2314]

Please test and compare convoy flashlights next.

[@goskidmark]

One could make a case with an attorney for false advertisements, but that may be a goose chase. Thank you for the reviews!

[@mitchellwilson12354]

Don't buy any of these! The only way we can get rid of this BS is if we all stop buying them. If you want a good flashlight go buy a Lumintop, Imalent, Mateminco, Nitecore, Ozark Trail, NEBO, Bushnell, Maglite, or Literally any name brand that actually advertises real lumen numbers. Personally I highly recommend the first 3 on that list but Ozark/NEBO might be better bang for your buck if you have a small budget. My light of choice is the Lumintop FW4A which is 3600 lumens in the palm of your hand. It has unfortunately been discontinued but I think you can still get the FW4X which is a very similar light with a 3150 lumen output and color temperature control.

[@terryloh8583]

Thank you so much for making these videos! Very helpful.

[@Toumis]

I have the first flashlight but rebranded,was used quiet extensively doing MOT checks!

[@MetalheadAndNerd]

I also have a couple of flashlights using this body. They hugely differ dependent on the LED.

[@andrewvelonis5940]

Thank you for doing this. I admit, I don't know the technical info but I get the gist. I've seen many ads for supe-duper flashlights and been tempted by some of them, but my brother-in-law has a friend who got one and the battery self-ignited so that's kind of a problem.

[@nriyo3]

Your tests and channel are awesome. I would love to see you test Zebralight and Armytek and Acebeam.

[@theghost75]

Way to be straight up and factual. Love it

[@antibrevity]

If you have ANY doubts that you should never believe the opinions of the general public when filtered through Amazon's rejection system (I've had about a dozen neutral or negative reviews deleted for false reasons), then look at the flashlight selection. Most of that junk has 4.5 stars or higher because most people are simply too stupid to review products involving technology of any kind :(. Sure, they might be able to tell you if a bed sheet works (I still wouldn't trust 'em), but most buyers simply lack the knowledge or competency to objectively rate the products they buy and this is coming from a guy that thought online reviews would revolutionize consumer products back in 1997. Well, I was kinda right, but in the wrong direction. The combination of Amazon's Marketplace and online reviews have *decimated* product quality. Sure, the sellers try to game the review system and often succeed, *but* it helps greatly that the average buyer is both ignorant of how rating systems work and of how any product actually compares to its rivals :(. If you give 5 stars to most of the products you buy, you're the problem and should stop reviewing products :(. If the general public handed out Michelin stars, Hardees would have 3 with the written reviews claiming "3++".

[@richardweighill8556]

Many years ago (1981), I bought 12 rechargeable D cell Radio Shack batteries to power my portable 5” TV/radio/tape deck. After a few months when they no longer charged up well my father decided to cut one open because he thought it felt a little light. Inside the D cell case was a C cell in the middle with a wire running to each end of the D cell case.

[@martinschuessler1936]

Sofirn/Wurkos seem to be pretty honest. Not only do their lumen ratings come in close to advertised, but the batteries they include are decent too.

[@hornetf18]

I’ve got a chunky flashlight from them that can do 8,000 lumens and is adjustable by holder the power button. It is an absolute brick and I love it.

[@tasaman]

Really like my Wurkkos lights.

[@andyj6234]

​@@hornetf18sp36 pro?

[@koreywilliams4570]

What about lanterns? Duel fuel, propane, lantern fuel, or led. What's the best lantern?

[@TheVoiTube]

That 2:10 Blue battery has 2 batteries wrapped as one... you could cut them apart without risk, they are just joined with wrap.

[@Daamen_Incorporated]

You should try this with the tool brands 20v work lights (Milwaukee/dewalt)!!

[@sc5015]

How do those flashlights compare to the lights people dont think much about, the lights included with tools from Milwaukee, Makita, DeWalt,Kobalt, etc?

[@GreenAppelPie]

If a lithium battery drains too low, then the recharging circuit won’t charge it by design. The dead battery could’ve easily been back to life by manually hooking it up to a DC power supply to bring the voltage back up.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

The light also wont charge our good batteries.

[@00SNIVY00]

Very happy with my Sofirn lights, really good value for what you get. I don't have the tools to test them myself, but the lumen capability seems consistent enough between the different flashlights I've purchased.

[@edwardmonsariste4050]

I have a left field request: Could you test oil filter socket wrenches? I have purchased a couple of brands, and I still haven’t found one that doesn’t slip on the flutes.

[@mediocreman2]

But the one the dealerships use.

[@Reign_Maxence]

AST.

[@BigBear--]

There are plenty of quality flashlight brands to choose from that both have inexpensive options as well as the more high performance, more durable, and more expensive options. Few that come to mind: NiteCore OLight Streamlight Surefire Sofrin Fenix Lighting There's a few more that I always brain fart on remembering. But those are all great options to start with.

[@sputumtube]

What possible use could anyone have for a flashlight at these levels other than, perhaps, spotting incoming bombers?

[@bashkillszombies]

I asked them about the weight of their batteries. Their answer in broken English was, the batteries get heavier when full, they are sent empty so they weigh less. I laughed. Then did an Amazon return. After writing a warning note to anyone they try to flip this to.

[@1978garfield]

I have started leaving notes with my returns explaining the problem in case they sell it on Amazon Warehouse or it gets sold on eBay or someplace else. I can't leave reviews anymore. 5 years ago they sent me an email saying I violated their terms. I asked them what I did and to this day they have never come right out and said it. I stopped asking because I don't want banned as a customer.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Coast brand flashlights are the best in the business because they are ruggedly made, they are affordable, they don't cater to the "G.I. Joe Dress-up Tactical Operator" crowd, and their customer service is the gold standard for any industry today. You won;t be disappointed.

[@kenabi]

my rule of thumb is simple, ~1200 max out of a well made light using quality single 18650s. with an average of around 5-600 for cheaper ones, _at best_. more likely to find ~300 or less. the higher they jack the lumens up, the lower i'd rate it for actual.

[@danielc6034]

If you can get it, the G500 long flashlight (KS--G500H). Got mine for £30, rated sensibly at 20k lumens but does out perform my modded fenix tk75. Has to be the one with zig zag blue light around buttons. The other one I got is plastic rubbish.

[@matthewmiller6068]

It would be interesting to add color temperature to your tests, several of those look purple-blue instead of white to me

[@Forge135]

Can you guys figure out a way to compare the major tool brand work lights?

[@jaredm450]

I love these flashlight testing episodes.

[@hansoverbeeke5442]

Horribl3,,, and all those torches seems to use a ghastly 10,000K tint emitters!!! don,t like it, that,s why i prefer trusted brands with nice or atleast reasonable 5/6500K and options for lower K ratins and better CRI versions aswell😊

[@DDB168]

I'd love to see a top 10 flashlights, not made in China (or from Amazon) if that is even possible. Thanks for your great work.

[@user-nk5uc9fy8w]

So what is the best "white laser" flashlight to buy? I want it.

[@criggie]

I dunno if its possible, but, what's inside that hollow-feeling battery?

[@ArtemisKitty]

I wish you'd check out those sketchy cells that feel way too light... I'd wager there's 2 tiny, low capacity ones in there, surrounded by lots of sand. Maybe some steel/lead weights, too. But definitely would like to see what's there. That, and... since the #s aren't matching what the specs for some of these claim is the driving LED, such as the Cree XHP70.2 - I would really love to see whether the LEDs they contain are actually what they claim, or even APPEAR to be the same type, rather than clearly different brands/types. Wdll, at least on models that, according to Cree, actually exist, so.... ruling out the XHP90.2 and XHP160.2 since... they never made such a product.

[@davesup5059]

I bought this and it's great. Palozo ZM-100 flash light. This goes on sale often. Got it for $14.99

[@LuminairPrime]

Killer rant about Amazon fakes at the end! Shout out to the real businesses with good reputations!