How Are TANKS Feeling in Season 2? | Patch 11.1 PTR Feedback and Thoughts

[@Fuzzywow]

great points on the sets. procing our offensives for a few seconds could be very fun to play

[@neorango2342]

Rng is realy not great

[@morningglory2129]

Rng for tanks is always a trashy design

[@highgrade9]

Yes i agree let me proc wings 😅

[@Tactyks]

Yeah I figured a proc that actually impacted gameplay would be way more fun than just a RNG defensive. Don't get me wrong I'm still not a fan of short duration RNG proc sets for tanks, but changing it to offensive CDs would give it more of a Vision of Perfection vibe which was an essence I really enjoyed back in BfA.

[@olehfedoryshyn9770]

Prot warrior needs utility rework: Intervene should give damage reduction to ally ( as it did back in Shadowlands ) , Rallying cry should give more health ( 30%, again , back to Shadowlands), Demoralizing shout is a great place to put disrupting shout effect ( can be added as a talent ) , so that it can mimic a fraction of what pali shield can do and kick annoying casts To add damage, shield slam can also have a talent that gives it some form of aoe. Completely agree on the topic of having additional filler generator ability to use like devastate And instead of disrupting shout , it should be a full blown 6 second silence, rather than aoe kick Ohh, BItter immunity should have same effect as Dwarf racial, otherwise it's a waste of talent. At least some damage reduction is required for that talent That overall would make prot utility kick on par with any other tank, with both single target and party wide external defensive options.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah Pwar has definitely felt lacking in the utility department for a while now, would be nice to see them get some love in that department!

[@onkek]

Friendly reminder to any tanks that ain’t feeling what Blizzard is cooking: Monster Hunter Wilds launches end of Feb.

[@snakebyteOne]

Pretty sure the tier set bonus random proc was meant to tie into the Goblin casino vibe of the 11.1 patch. Not sure if supporting any specific Goblin cartel would improve the proc chance. VDH seems like the winner vs. the other tank specs (has Brew ever been top dog?)

[@JohnnyUtah71]

I don't want to speak for all tanks here but I feel like the "chance-based defensive" is an absolutely horrible design. I want my defensives on demand as otherwise they're generally wasted.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah I'm personally not a fan of short duration RNG DRs either, seeing as you can't rely on it or really play around it due to the short duration. I doubt we see a total rework to how the bonus works, which is why I offered up using more offensive CDs that could alter your rotation instead, seeing as that's more interactive and generally useful. It gives the tier a Vision of Perfection vibe which was an essence I really enjoyed back from BfA.

[@DS-ph7zy]

I’m not sure there is a tank out there that likes this type of prof from a 2 piece

[@JohnnyUtah71]

@@Tactyks Yup, loved those suggestions brother. Hopefully we get something along those lines.

[@arthoriusthibault8727]

It is horrible

[@quertysberg]

“Sorry i died my rng didnt proc on the start of pull”

[@Mikesart98]

Brew ain’t gonna receive no love for a while lol, it’s been a toughie season for us so far but we make it work 🍻❤️

[@Tactyks]

Surely 2025 is the year of the brew

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

Ion just said in an interview that the changes to make the dungeons easier are not yet in the current build, but are coming soon. So, tank busters he said will actually be nerfed.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah I saw that interview, hopefully that means they make enough adjustments to avoid the tank issues with S1.

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

@@Tactyks Bear damage needs a massive buff tho. Then I'll be happy.

[@usaid1234]

completely agree with your point on prot warrior, so many dead gcd with less rage

[@Tactyks]

Yeah it's definitely frustrating as someone who has really enjoyed the speed of the rotation and reactive decision making of the spec, especially with the procs added by Mountain Thane

[@usaid1234]

@@Tactyks to add-on as you mentioned have a filler that doesn't take rage would be incredible

[@endobleeds]

blizz changing anything lol it’s ready for live

[@gruntymunky4082]

gg my prot warrior is done.

[@Tactyks]

Hoping this is just the start of their changes and they get some more love in future weeks.

[@clockwork9011]

Yeah seems kinda of ruined! Why the fuck would you slow it down! I liked the pace!

[@MrHastee]

I knew prot warr was going to be completely gutted after they announced the nerfs and the compensation they listed was nowhere near enough to balance it out. There were naysayers who said it’ll be fine wait for PTR. Well now we can agree the entire gameplay rotation feels awful now. Blizzard completely missed their mark and took a tank that was in a good place even by their own words and threw it under a bus. I don’t trust them to fix warrior problems that they themselves created for no reason. I don’t want to chase meta classes. I’m out for the rest expansion unless they revert changes completely

[@metsfan1932]

Agreed, the only solution is to roll back the changed and pretend it never happened.

[@MediaMaster9000]

Yeah, it's this kind of crap that completely guts my desire to play the game at all.

[@ZK-sz8vs]

guardian druid needs to condense a lot of those 2/2 talent nodes down to 1/1. so many, like twice as many as any other tanks spec tree. also do we really need to spend 5 points just to get full guardian of ursoc functionality? between all the 2/2's and the 5/5 ursoc, its just impossible to branch out and pick up stuff you'd like to have like extra thrash procs or moonfire damage reduction because you need to spend on mandatory pathing just to get to the defensives you need to function, half of which are trapped in the very last row. idk any other tank that has to sacrifice so much just to get to their defensives. most tank specs like warrior or paladin just put your defensive cooldowns in the main paths pretty much down the center of the spec tree. feels like guardian presents you with a bunch of fun passives you cant afford to pick up.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah I tried not to go on too much of a rant on the Guardian spec tree here, maybe I'll have to put out a standalone video on my thoughts hahaha

[@Sevyns762]

I’d much rather see a lower CD on shield slam than adding yet another button (via not taking devastator) for prot war.

[@Tactyks]

Honestly to me it feels like Pwar has less rotational buttons than most other tank specs, even the heavily meme'd Guardian has more, so personally I wouldn't mind seeing 1 added to help address the current problems.

[@Sevyns762]

Just adding another button to press, when prot has so many (granted not 'core rotation') isn't engaging. The variety prot has now, along with the decision to convert rage to dmg or defense is a lot of fun. Anyway agree to disagree lol - thanks for the vid always appreciate what you do.

[@Tactyks]

@@Sevyns762 Yeah that's totally fair, definitely a big fan of the speed and decision making in current Prot so hopefully they decide to revert or do more thorough changes with additional compensation!

[@superdoob7182]

Is there somewhere I can snag your weak auras? Really like the looks of yours.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah you can find all of them on my wago profile linked below, currently only the live versions are available but I will be putting an update out for S2 once I've finished tinkering! wago.io/p/Tactyks

[@dirkgoodman4282]

This season was my first time tanking coming from healing. I did it to help the tank shortage. I choose warrior. After this stupid nerf, i think im gonna go back to healing. Or maybe try Dk.

[@dirusj4006]

People need to understand that even spending those three points in Ox leave you worse off than other options. If we got all three nodes for 1 point it would probably be worth it... probably

[@Tactyks]

Yeah it's really sad how far Ox has fallen over just a couple expansions.

[@johnj4471]

Maybe give the hunt immunity to melee while casting or something as in only autos. Idk.

[@Tactyks]

That would definitely help!

[@walrusdojo]

I actually don’t care for how spammy tank rotational gameplay has become. I’d much rather be able to have a more open view of the battlefield instead of focusing as much on my rotation. Prot Pally is a great example bc I want to take advantage of the group utility but I often find myself zoomed in on my rotation to keep up SotR/Cons. Pushing PWarr in this direction is a mistake in my eyes.

[@crittykat]

FYI: Blizzard announced in a interview yesterday that they know tank busters are too rough and they are making substantial changes to tank busters in the next adjustment to the PTR. Also, my two cents: they should undo the level squash for M+ because the jump from heroic difficulty to M0 is an insanely huge step and there is no easy on ramp to M+ right now. There is no learning curve, just a steep wall.

[@derangedhermit7981]

What do I think: Tanking still sucks with the overly high damage and all to often tank busters that one shot if you miss or run out of active mitigation. Also still sad bear isn't great so I guess I'll stick to prot pally which I guess is OK as I found I also love Ret (I now wish Feral played more like Ret because I would dps on my druid)

[@Tactyks]

Yeah we'll see what happens with tank damage in the rest of the dungeon pool, the recent Ion interview where they specifically address tank buster concerns and the state of the new dungeon we tested this week gives me a bit of hope that they are listening in that department.

[@angrydodong8137]

Can they just revert tank nerfs so casual tanks like myself enjoy tanking again.

[@TrippThree]

COMPLETELY DESTROYED, prot warrior!!!!!

[@zackriden79]

I think its not a state of tanks i think its the state of incoming damage being too spiky they need to at like a flat DR to tanks and a flat threat production so that tanks don't die so easily

[@iltoro9400]

demon hunter really needs some love

[@DAVID-ys1cr]

They are the best in pre right now

[@ic3t3ap3ach]

incan procs would be cool. like we had in the past tset no one needs random sv

[@Baldrekr]

Unfortunately, Brewmasters aren’t going to get shit. Maybe next expansion.

[@davidkarlsson8536]

is it me or does it feel like a lazy build from blizz that tanks set has the same effect kinda

[@theflathead]

Chanced based defensive is really stupid and insulting to tanks.

[@Sombrero_707]

Which is the best tank? Since the change to AoE stuns and Interrupts, whenever Paladin is not underwhelmingly bad, it'll be Prot Paladin. There's no comparison to their interrupts since this dumb change.

[@metsfan1932]

No KZbinr will put out a tank tier list right now because of how bugged and broken the VDH set is right now, but the general consensus if you read between the lines is VDH if nothing changes from now until release, and prot paladin otherwise.

[@Tactyks]

Basically what mets said, way too early to tell at this point. That being said I will say that there are a surprisingly low amount of interrupts in the new dungeon we tested this week, so potentially Blizzard is looking to reduce the number of kicks needed which would reduce the value of Ppal's interrupts. That being said Ppal is still a very strong tank utility wise so thats not their only value.

[@Speedymeele]

@@Tactyks They'd have to nuke random one person nukes and amount of interrupts to indirectly shift ppal out of meta tbh. And honestly if they have to do that no one will complain :D

[@tonkey2005]

@@Speedymeelewell random oneshots are always an issue with infinite scaling. Or you need to remove damage to the group entirely. IMO people are complaining way too much, not saying there aren’t issues compared to other seasons (especially the death punishment is a way bigger issue then most others, I.e tankbusters). In the past the best players reached 28-31 and that is happening this season too. „Random“ tank deaths in high keys have also been an issue in the past. If you aren’t on the edge of dying you will just pull bigger. Last expansion everyone complained about tanks being unkillable gods and now they complain you need actual skill as a tank to live the highest keys. Again we see the exact same levels are being pushed as last expansion so the max amount of difficulty hasn’t overall increased, just more punishing for people who aren’t used to being tanks. If they fixed the death punishment it would make it feel better for lower levels of play (7-15) and fixed gearing pricing and weekly cache (make it possible to target slots for weekly cache to ensure you can gear your char effectivly with m+, even if slowly), maybe even create a warband wide way to catch up on gear on alts using weekly chest(forsake loot on main to allow alt to get two mythic items, something like that). These changes would drastically improve player retention as it wouldn’t feel unnecessarily punishing and would increase the odds to actually get useful gear every week. It would still take at least 12 weeks for full mythic gear assuming you get the ones you want/need every week.

[@Speedymeele]

@@tonkey2005 I personally think that they should cap dmg scalling at some key level(15,16?) and slightly increase health scalling or alternatively lower the dmg scalling to half, to make it so dps is needed to time the key, not perfect defensive play. But yea hard agree people always complain too much and challenger's peril is just too punishing.

[@zekonja90]

So they nerfing dmg of prot warrior, but not nerfing dmg of prot pally, even if paladin does more dmg than warrior currently? Sad...

[@Taedas123]

oh god, don't buff ox. I'm so glad it's bad so we don't have to take it.

[@Tactyks]

What brew needs is a bit of a rework for sure, but in the short term that's not something that's going to happen, so making Ox a button that actually feels good and helps with their current weaknesses seems like a good thing to do in the meantime.

[@white.7179]

​@@Tactyks as Brew main for 2y i never liked it, just need some healing from keg smash and we are gg 😁

[@Jeredith]

❤

[@Tactyks]

[@CsStoker]

I hate these random proc tier sets, and I despise what they are doing to prot warrior. I have no idea what's going on with the current devs, specially the ones in charge of balance and M+.

[@carlosdv3384]

Have we ever had capable developers balancing classes and specs?

[@Muhlum24]

I don’t think the buffoons at blizzard realize how heavy handed the pwarr nerf is.

[@Perchhunter804]

everyone gets useless deff proc, dh gets god mode yeah gg blizz^^

[@Tactyks]

Like I said there's pretty much no way it goes live as is, so we'll have to see what they end up changing.

[@VeritasSēker]

Well, back to classic I go for season 2 c ya bois !!

[@jigsaw6954]

It sucks probs giving next season a miss only did this season with inertia from launch but think im done this just isnt fun at all and why do play games if not for fun

[@Tactyks]

Amen, if it isn't fun anymore the healthiest thing to do is step away!