How automation is affecting longshoremen at the Port of L.A.

[@gary2179]

So obviously his family got him in

[@Rob-oq2cf]

Exactly… the all crying but don’t like to work

[@kentuckydirby8306]

I feel you on that, so many people can just know people and get in, I think thats bullshit but at the same time as long as you do the work, thats what matters. But thats why people like this get hated on by people who have to scratch there way in from every corner

[@outko24]

If he's a good worker what's it matter? I know grinders who are at the hall everyday getting hours but are shit workers. I don't care how you got in just do your job, don't make mine harder and we'll get along great.

[@youaintlyin3388]

It’s not only like that here, think about it, it’s always who you know

[@conservativeamber1216]

That's how it works

[@DaOriginalMurdah]

He's lucky to even be in that union. Most will never even be given the opportunity

[@bewise2297]

He’s not in the Union sounded like he’s a Casual!

[@DaOriginalMurdah]

@Be Wise22 you can't work la docks without being union

[@BalB-uz2uj]

@@DaOriginalMurdahHe’s still not a member. He’s a casual.

[@finishfirst4580]

He probably in by now. His daddy got his precious son a job. Nepotism

[@conservativeamber1216]

He's not in a Union He's not a Member It takes 10 - 14 Years to make it

[@harrylupo7238]

95 percent of the goods u own in America comes out of a container

[@criminal268]

Now I know there supply chain problem because companys and union are fighting each other and everyone paid the price

[@caliindica420]

i still prefer human bowling pinsetters over the automated machines that's being used in bowling alleys today...LOL! if a human skill sets can be replace by machines, then it was never really a set of skills in the first place. imagine how much a game of bowling would cost today if humans (or unionized humans) are used to set the pins...damn!

[@ephtea614]

WTF do you mean? If someone has good chess pllaying skills, it's not really a skill because deep blue said so?

[@jarroddacuycuy7435]

Well what skills can't be replaced by machines in some way? Basically everything can be replaced by machines

[@88wizeguy]

This dudes a lowkey brat. Got handed a high paying job

[@ricardop9196]

Which is why I don't feel bad I'm glad

[@ep7349]

Nepotism at it's greatest

[@88wizeguy]

Better go pursue a career that won't get automated in the next ten years bro

[@itsDjjayyArt]

Suggestions

[@willia3r]

@@itsDjjayyArt Plumber, Electrician, HVAC tech, Welder, Carpenter. Not glamorous but requires hands-on creative mindset.

[@itsDjjayyArt]

@@willia3r Im Hands on and do art so I think welding would fit me plus I hate anything to technical

[@willia3r]

@@itsDjjayyArt welders are greatly needed right now. And the salaries can run very high. Definitely good for a young person starting out to stack $$$ pretty quickly.

[@itsDjjayyArt]

@@willia3r now I think about welding ain't worth it anymore after doing crazy research and I'm pretty sure the trades u listed will also get automated as well in the coming years

[@MrAlec1995]

Most of these comments are sickening. Local trades currently make more money then MOST longshoreman. You have no idea the hard labor dangerous situations and bullshit any longshoremen has to go through. You realize these billion dollar shipping companies are paying us a tiny sliver a TINY fraction of profits. Blame these greedy shipping companies for your rise in prices. Containers used to cost 6000 in shipping now they range from 20k+ ANYONE can join the union over 18 years old. The only way is through the lottery system. LONG LIVE ILWU LOCAL 23

[@harrylupo7238]

THE UNION SOLD US OUT !!!

[@belingonza318]

Union can only do so much.

[@PumaPete]

Nobody sold you out

[@LTLBproductions]

So they do hire only family.

[@aLex62297]

Yes they do if you know someone it’s easy to get at least a part time job.

[@PumaPete]

@@aLex62297 no it’s not. I’ve been in the union 23 years and never have been able to get anyone in.

[@aLex62297]

@@PumaPete oh nice to know.

[@samsam-hc1ks]

Yes

[@kingcatman]

Automation needs to go forward strike or no strike.

[@choppers08mendoza]

200,000 dollars a year wonder why they are going automated

[@kvstles]

and they only work 4 hours a day. lol

[@itsDjjayyArt]

@@kvstles damn really

[@aicofrena505]

I truly love the way you say that. In reality if you have studied economics jobs pay garbage wages in this day and age unless you have something called a CBA most educational institutions such has highschools never TEACH you the value of having a legal Contractual agreement I feel sorry for 93 Percent of Americans

[@ephtea614]

because only the managers and CEO's should make all that cash off of the laborers sweat, right? You people keep sniping at your neighbors pay. The people are getting desperate, making less as each generation goes by. Looking at your fellow worker and being jealous of what he has is exactly how the owners want you to think. Let the little people fight for scraps while they keep taking a bigger and bigger piece of the pie as the years go by. Soon, we'll all be fighting for whatever shit jobs are left because people who think like you think only the managers should make a real wage.

[@conservativeamber1216]

Takes 10 Years before you can make $120K - $180K 10 Years of your Life Gone It's not easy as you think

[@boychicharon2447]

Unions tolerate their members workers manipulate their working hours by slow down actions which aiming for overtime losses for the company who is thinking for automation.

[@APSAL07]

It ll be faster and you don't have to worry about bots taking two hour lunches Truckers are going to love this. They make stupid money anyways They work four hours and get paid for eight. Wtf is that all about?

[@ajdasa6169]

Should hire more immigrant minorities Latin, Chinese and Indian etc. coz they work fukn hard period .. Look at the privileged ppl being homeless under every freaking freeway ..lazies and opioid addicts. Show me any immigrant homeless , I ll buy u lunch for a month ..😀

[@sass174]

trucking might be on the same path in the future, self driving vehicles are becoming more and more common. i hope it doesn't happen though, tons of hard working people make a living driving trucks

[@nickrondpre2]

You mad Cos your job sucks?

[@nickrondpre2]

Maybe you shouldn’t have wasted your money on school and bought yourself a longshore application

[@APSAL07]

@@ajdasa6169 long as they're not illigals.

[@halffead]

His dad voted for it ( the Automation ) ! I will bet his dad voted yes on the 2002 , 2008 , 2014 contacts and the Extension ! So thank daddy ! And weak Officials and membership !

[@12799MaDeuce]

The unions are why he has to work for years before he can "bid" for a full-time job. That keeps a lot of people from entering the trades.

[@funhole26]

Are you a casual?

[@evanm9026]

No Laziness keeps a lot of ppl from Entering the trades

[@willia3r]

not in the southeast United States. Red-states are _at-will/right-to-work._ You dont have to go through a Union shop to get a trade. There are companies that are willing to train you up to journeyman status while on the job.

[@Malouco]

Nope

[@itsDjjayyArt]

@@evanm9026 no it's the low pay

[@samsam-hc1ks]

I hope they do automation in port of Houston.

[@boingomendoza8303]

Wtf😂😂😂, could this be more inaccurate?

[@LG-wp6ge]

I agree

[@bigernie4724]

No casual should be interviewed period...

[@durrellbrady21]

The automation issue begins with their contract. Also this casual should not be interviewed I agree. Basic unit status is a privilege. Basic unit is also called “journey man status” because it’s a real process. Much like a doctor undergoes a residency, carpenters go threw apprenticeship and lawyers must pass the bar exam. Ive been a longshoreman for 10 years now and I love all my ILA union brothers and sisters. We Basics worked hard to get to our ranks and financial status, this young man just needs to stay the course. Or go back to school learn computer coding/robotics so he may be a asset to the coming automation.

[@bigernie4724]

@Luigi Warning Show your face your a white supremacist....

[@imikec]

@@durrellbrady21 Becoming a longshoreman is a product of who you know in the trade, not your individual hard work. Becoming a doctor or a lawyer requires you to gain an education and work hard to graduate so that you one day can wear that title. I hardly compare the two. I personally know someone that is a longshoreman, and her son is now one too. He's an idiot, btw. So spare me your douchey comparisons.

[@samsam-hc1ks]

Union hire only family member who already at port corrupt, Good go for automation

[@FehtalaTee]

That's not a good reason to kill people's livelihood😂😂 plus that's speculation. Other people apply and get in as well. Other jobs do the same thing. What is wrong with you people in this comment section?

[@conservativeamber1216]

Up to $200K if you work every single day 365 Days

[@FehtalaTee]

Finally a comment that actually knows about Longshoreman lol thank you!

[@JohnAvantiBK]

UNION strong save jobs from tech companies.

[@belingonza318]

Great job. In a short time ( once your on the list)you could be making $5000 a week only thing is your going to have to work round the clock.

[@itsDjjayyArt]

Depends where you live

[@belingonza318]

@@itsDjjayyArt not really a lot of guys sleep in their cars!

[@itsDjjayyArt]

@@belingonza318 damn wtf can't go to 🚿 or change cloths they need to hire more people

[@krunchie101]

Depends on the job. Most IDs I know are doing around $3500 a week not $5k.

[@itsDjjayyArt]

@@krunchie101 do you if there hiring now and if so where do I go in person

[@buddyratcliff2894]

Only thing constant is change.

[@tyroneponderjrllc7554]

wise words

[@funhole26]

Its amazing how many people are leaving negative comments when they arent actually on the docks working the jobs and seeing how things really are in this day and age. So far anything i have read was either done decades ago, completely wrong or they are just jealous longshore wages go up yearly. By yearly i mean they barely follow inflation, if that. These companies running the docks are in a billion dollar industry...

[@ajdasa6169]

My friend ur wrong. I go to pick up containers every day and most idiot workers are rude. And disrespectful.. they don’t know who pays them ? If no truck drivers , tax payers n Chinese ppl , they get nothing ..

[@LG-wp6ge]

AJ Dasa you forgot to mention how lazy they are and they tend to work slow especially when lunch time is near and they shutdown completely during lunch also there are stupid retards that barely know what to do or even don't know how there facilitie runs and how management is a joke they just like to sweep everything under the rug and with all that being said they still complain about automation taking away their jobs when they're laziness and poor management led to this.

[@thecookiedude85]

Automation is the way to go… I’m sitting here at WBCT in San Pedro and have been here waiting in line since 1130…. It’s now 120pm…

[@funhole26]

@@ajdasa6169 my friend I have worked there for 17 years so I can’t be wrong

[@ajdasa6169]

@@funhole26 my friend,, last night I spent seven yes 7 freaking hrs to pick up my load at TTI ?? No wonder there are 70 plus ships nearby waiting for months to unload .. This is worse than third world .. I d bet in Africa ports must be much better 😪

[@robertron5107]

GET READU MAINTAIN:.) WROK-KEEP TRUCKING)

[@God_of_Ramen]

Less people want to do the job, and automation is the solution to that problem. Its only a problem for this guy because I guess he cant fathom learning a different skill. Automation like this may hurt a few individuals but it helps billions of future humans.

[@Herrera397]

Lol bro I’m 24 with a college degree. You can’t be more wrong😂

[@God_of_Ramen]

@@Herrera397 no way

[@CaliPartyBoy69]

@@Herrera397 how are you doing with your gender studies degree

[@blcklstd6156]

I’d rather not trade with China and this guy not have a job

[@aboriginalsupremacy7144]

I know them KNOCK IT OFF😮

[@jonathanmuro1011]

I’m in the same shoes as you Ryan. Stay strong brotha! lets hope we make it as A books 1 day. #CasualStrong

[@imikec]

Enjoy being a casual for 20 years.

[@itsDjjayyArt]

@@imikec depends where

[@thatsallfolks3115]

What is the difference between Casual and A books?

[@jonathanmuro1011]

@@thatsallfolks3115 you’re guaranteed work because as a casual you’re not and you also get benefits as well as the pleasure of picking what you want to do exactly at the port. Could be anything from operating a crane to working on the ship.

[@thatsallfolks3115]

@@jonathanmuro1011 is it really that hard to get in as they say?

[@ignaciov6735]

Put in the work my boy, it ain’t fair but it’s worth it💪

[@donjulio8807]

HEY GUYS RYAN IS NOT A LONGSHOREMEN. HE IS A CASUAL WORKER.

[@aicofrena505]

Sadly most full fledged longshoremen in this day and age are UNION SCABS anyway

[@thatsallfolks3115]

What’s exactly is a Casual, I work in the port of Long Beach and I hear people being called casuals a lot

[@krunchie101]

@@thatsallfolks3115 Casuals are not officially in the union until they put in enough hours. There's thousands of casuals who work part time or full time some get into the union sooner than others.

[@thatsallfolks3115]

@@krunchie101 I see, I’m still trying to find out where I can fill out that postcard.I currently work in the port of Long Beach but the casuals or longshoreman are not allowed to talk to us . We even got kicked out of the outdoor break area when we were trying to use the vending machine.

[@Herrera397]

Hahah I was only a casual for 4 years. I’ve been full time for months haha

[@dliv1687]

He straight

[@locloc9486]

How do you apply for them

[@aaronsoto4622]

Man. This kids young too already be a longshoreman. 22? Geez. Thought you can't join until at least like 25.

[@ArtStoneUS]

Most of his family are union members.

[@thejoethe]

He's a Casual. Completely different than an actual Union Longshoreman. Like he said, they're the part timers. Most of them are probably doing lashing work. They had a lottery a few years back, so he was probably 18 or 19. I was in that same lottery, but looks like his number was called early on. I was fortunate to get a number. Now, thanks to covid, the process is speeding up, so looks like my number will be called up soon, along with thousands of others. The lottery list has 10k plus people on it. I'm just glad for this opportunity. I have family who are union, so I know what it's like just hearing the stories of them having to go back and forth when there were no jobs. I remember the lottery from 2003 also. My friend and I put our names in the hat, but we never got a number. Where is all that automation they bought years ago? Robots can only do so much in the ports. It can move things up, down, left, right. You need people down on the ground actually doing things and fixing the robots when they break down.

[@krunchie101]

He won't be a longshore until a few more years. He's lucky he became casual at 22 some people don't get in until their 30s and 40s.

[@Herrera397]

@@krunchie101 I got in 4 years. I’ve been full time for months.

[@durrellbrady21]

The automation issue begins with their contract. Also this casual should not be interviewed I agree. Basic unit status is a privilege. Basic unit is also called “journey man status” because it’s a real process. Much like a doctor undergoes a residency, carpenters go threw apprenticeship and lawyers must pass the bar exam. Ive been a longshoreman for 10 years now and I love all my ILA union brothers and sisters. We Basics worked hard to get to our ranks and financial status, this young man just needs to stay the course. Or go back to school learn computer coding/robotics so he may be a asset to the coming automation.

[@ajdasa6169]

They are over paid and treating truckers like shit .. Glad Robot s taking over those jobs. Go and get a security job .. tax payers paid too much for those uneducated idiots. Can’t wait until the whole port become automated...

[@funhole26]

@@ajdasa6169 longshoreman are not over paid, we have just received yearly upgrades in pay. Not as much as inflation but a little each year. You have been screwed by your employer which is why your wage is shit. Also, our employer is in a billion dollar industry. They make more than yours which helps us. On a side note, truck drivers are easily replaceable by automation. Many documentaries and discussions have already happened about this.

[@ajdasa6169]

@@funhole26 Ha ha seriously, truckers could be replaced by automation? Very funny. .. If I m correct, ur with Vancouver ports right? That means u cannot compare LA ports/ union BS.. System is so sick here. City is bending over backwards when union Aholes make a lil noice. Remember, ur industry cannot survive with out truckers n tax payers .. Furthermore, how do Vancouver longshoreman get jobs? Nepotism/ back door OR pure talent and applied thru the legit process? Good day my friend.

[@josmo1363]

I am *SOOOOO* glad I'm in a customer service role with my company While no job is ever *truly* safe (found that out the hard way), at least mine is a lot harder to automate, not impossible but certainly hard enough to allow me to make it to retirement People like this guy though, I really feel for

[@willae1]

hate to tell you but customer service in general is very automate-able. and hiring numbers in the sector are on the decline...the only reason more enormous companies havent phased out their human call centers is because of the backlash they would face. not that that is the only aspect to customer service that is automate-able its just the most likely candidate in the field to see that fate because of how expensive they are. the good thing is that automation while killing old jobs generally brings around new ones. 80 years ago the idea we would have hundreds of people working as agents of a company over the phone from a single place would have been a logistical nightmare, you would have to have a near equal amount of switchboard operators just for incoming calls...40 years later thanks to automated switch boards the prospect of a call center isnt so insurmountable, allowing them to hire even more agents without much fuss but most of the telephone operator jobs have gone or changed to equipment maitenance. historians speculate that the death of the operator job didnt affect the so the thing to take away is if you want security, specialize in your field, climb the ladder, do the thing. because like you said no job is ever truly safe.

[@rv264]

Chat bots are literally taking over L1 customer service job

[@rippawallet]

No job is entirely safe tbh. AI is scary

[@tylerdurden7397]

. #HarryPotter 😎

[@fathan16]

Unions doing what unions do best. Hold society back.

[@FehtalaTee]

Yeah, because forget "people," and let's just let businesses dominate people into provity. That will make for a better world.

[@ELCLAVE300]

Those unions at the port are the main reason there is so much bottle necking. You can't blame the companies for wanting to automate.

[@thecookiedude85]

Automation is the way to go… lower prices for the consumer and more efficient turnaround times at the terminals… a machine doesn’t need to have an hour and a half lunches, they don’t get sick or dick around for the shift to be over…. I work out of the terminals as a truck driver… if the terminals were automated, we wouldn’t be in the situation we’re in right now; with 65+ ships at anchor waiting to dock in the west coast…

[@funhole26]

They also do not pay taxes and or collect government checks when they are off because of no work. Trust me…automation is good but not to replace everyone. Not to mention your job will be gone too. Who cares if goods “might” be cheaper. Your going to have no job.

[@ajdasa6169]

True .. these guys are lazy. No exp. got the jobs thru family. Some of them are dumb as hell. Good for flipping burgers. Which port in the world takes 7 hrs to pick up a load ? I thought we are the superpower ??😪

[@thecookiedude85]

@AJ Dasa I’m stuck here at TTI right now… my bock is ugly. I’ve been here since 2:30pm it’s now 5:45pm and there’s about 10 trucks ahead of me…

[@ajdasa6169]

@@thecookiedude85 sorry to here that bro. Same ole BS ports ., I m stuck here now at Trapac 😄😄

[@PumaPete]

@@ajdasa6169 and tra pac is automated so what’s you’re point? Automated and still stuck there?

[@jabrilrahman2523]

Longshoreman FOR LIFE.. LOCAL 1248 !!! NORFOLK VA !!!!

[@grmm6845]

Local 1654 Hamilton Ontario

[@unknowndude835]

Man inbeen trying to get in 1248 for 10years smdh most my family are merchantseaman!!

[@saltlifemell5249]

My Respect from Local 1414 💪🏾 Sav.Ga .

[@APSAL07]

@@grmm6845 no way lol I was born there.

[@sohd2283]

How tf do u guys even get a foot into this job? Like I live in San Diego I been trying to for the longest !!

[@Malouco]

At some point as a country we need to ask ourselves do we care more about money or people? AUTOMATION IN OFF HOURS IS FINE BUT DONT U DARE REPLACE AN AMERICAN WITH A ROBOT AND MECHANIC WHO RESENTS HIS JOB

[@willae1]

automation doesnt destroy jobs it changes them, just ask the guilds of germany how they felt about the industrial revolution..theyd tell you the same shit about the industrializing taking jobs, these days we know the opposite to be true. so rather than hire new technicians perhaps these shipping companies could shell out for training the old employees in new positions instead of firing them and hiring younger specialists

[@lupuswarrior6785]

Well all the new equipment would have to be maintained by specialists from the company there certain things dock mechanics can’t touch because the company has to fix

[@ArtStoneUS]

Absolutely correct. A more efficient port will generate new jobs inland at logistics facilities handling the goods coming in through the port more efficiently. However, many of those jobs are non-union jobs.

[@funhole26]

This isn’t actually true. Automation now a days is going to kill a lot more jobs than ever before. Industrial revolution never killed the blue collar worker. This will. That’s a lot of people unemployed. Think about that.

[@audiocaramel8535]

@@funhole26 Automation has been increasing at an ever rapid pace, yet the unemployment rate hasn't gone up.

[@commonsensewisdom625]

You handles cargos from China. Those cargos should be made in USA. Your job security and union monopoly are bloody to American workers who lost their jobs to China.

[@DanielA-ig3cj]

With all the stuff I see and hear - crane operators bringing a six pack up with them, watching someone down a whole pitcher before their shift - they can't automate fast enough. That longshore culture has got to go. Not saying machines are perfect. Also their politics are trash, but that's an aside.

[@westcoasthustle6133]

Yup. Worked long enough at Long Beach ports to know that some longshoremen are POS. Feel bad for the cool ones. But automation is here, in so many industries. The 4th industrial revolution. And covid will speed up their agenda. I'm a truck driver, so still safe for now. 😎

[@funhole26]

Speak for your own experience. Port of Vancouver drug tests. No one is bringing 6packs up

[@westcoasthustle6133]

@@funhole26 Well, good for Canadians. Not sure if you guys have the same teamsters union . But could be the difference

[@jarroddacuycuy7435]

@@westcoasthustle6133 they've got driverless trucks already buddy. Ain't no one safe

[@westcoasthustle6133]

@@jarroddacuycuy7435 I'm well aware of that. Not sure how an autonomous truck will do in downtown Manhattan or back into a dock with a very tight parking lot.

[@wavehaven1]

Automation isnt just about Longshoreman....its also about all the truck drivers and being removed from the Operations. As you may see truck drivers are out of their Trucks and have to stand in a specific area for their truck to be serviced.

[@commonsensewisdom625]

Leave the union will set you free. If you have a cell phone, you can’t say no to automation.

[@billn8555]

Embrace the change. Maybe work at the company that makes the automated equipment, or repair and maintain the equipment. Any job that pays 3X the competitive salary because of union threats of strikes only makes people angry if the job is not getting done. There are 50 plus container ships off the coast not getting timely unloaded. Its been that way for almost a year. WTF, you want my sympathy? Why should I have to pay for 3X shipping costs to get you a higher salary. The only barrier to entry and getting this problem solved is the Union. My trucker friend says he has never realized what slow is until watching container unloading at long Beach this past year. No sympathy here, go Brandon, go automation.

[@FehtalaTee]

That's not longshoreman's fault, that's management fault(the people that are doing the automation)😂 they built the system, not us. Your complaint of why you want to support the destruction of people's livelihood is so ignorant.

[@FehtalaTee]

That's not longshoreman's fault, that's management fault(the people that are doing the automation)😂 they built the system, not us. Your complaint of why you want to support the destruction of people's livelihood is so ignorant.

[@SuperGoodison]

Hate unions glad Thatcher got ride off them in the eighties notice there the same over here get them out.

[@ryanforster8761]

how did she get rid of them? what do you have against them?

[@boilermakerboy6198]

Sounds like you tried to get in one and just couldn’t so now you hate them😂 live and let live

[@SuperGoodison]

@@boilermakerboy6198 never tried to get in one never will want too. Unions are not needed since we don't need to negotiate wages since every year we get a pay raise. Go look what the unions did to the coal industry with their constant strikes.

[@ryanforster8761]

@@SuperGoodison In England or the US?

[@funhole26]

Without unions there would of never been any form of fair wages/work environment. What you have now is because of unions fighting in the past. Don’t be so ungrateful.

[@mikehood4516]

We can stop buying products that come through Automated ports and track Online a list of products and companies doing this And dont buy their stuff As patriots 😎😎😎😎😎

[@LongieR8er]

Republicans sold as out thanks to Reagan

[@ajdasa6169]

Seriously,, tell me which products come from other than China ? They are smart ppl and they own the freaking LA ports . They spent billions upgrading etc. Longshoreman should kiss Chinese n tax payers behinds , coz without them u don’t have easy overpaid job ..