How Bad is Flinch in Modern Warfare II? (+Focus & Attachment Breakdown)

[@bodkin7841]

The spr and sab50 should have sniper flinch tbh. Makes them really cheese that they don't. Nerfing flinch of all marksman rifles would ruin the mk2 and the semi auto rifles

[@Jkinsella082]

Couldn’t agree more

[@daedalus6433]

Eh, they are really inconsistent with their oneshots.

[@Killzoneinbound]

@@daedalus6433 completely disagree. If you’re struggling to hit 1 shots with it that’s a skill issue.

[@Skrenja]

Also, aim assist needs to be temporarily disabled while taking damage!

[@174wolf]

@@Skrenja Aim assist needs to go completely if we don't get controller-free matchmaking options

[@justinle6715]

The incendiary ammo does add flinch. For each tick of damage over time, your point of aim will move up as if it was flinch.

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[@michaelespeland]

The amount of testing, time, detail and overall effort put into these videos is just unreal 😮

[@jameslopez9661]

Just go into private match

[@4GAMERZE]

Ace what line of work are-were you in? Science? Tech?

[@YShiishening]

could honestly be much better, but also yes he's doing a very good basic job

[@kaylo1680]

SPRs are brutal to deal with given the ridiculously low flinch they have.

[@ericbarker8962]

Not to mention the lightning speed ads

[@Spiderwolfer]

Yeah it needs a nerf. It’s never fun to go up against.

[@elemental2374]

What kinda ADS do u want them to have ? The ttk is so fast it would be unfair for every DMR sniper if they aim in like 30-40% slower than they are right now My problem with the SPR and the SAB are the ppl who play them without a scope and call it sniping For example the fastest ads marksman rifle is the Mk2 but it shouldn’t be nerfed since it does a lot of hitmarkers at 30 m and even up close to the torso if they nerf the Marksman rifles hopefully they won’t nerf them all and not all by a lot I agree that they need to do something but then again I want them to buff the LAB 330 for example bc it’s so slow for quickscoping It’s unfair to nerf the normal snipers I say this bc I see a lot of ppl saying regular snipers are OP they don’t pay attention when killed by them every weapon is OP if they pre aim the corner Same with shotguns at a certain range or hardscoping sniper ppl at range it’s all the same if everyone is pre aiming corners all weapons should get nerfed and that’s where the problem lies it is the short ttk bc u can’t outgun someone with „skill“ that’s by game design it’s sad but a reality we have to see It’s not the weapons it’s the game with SBMM we get into lobbies with ppl using meta guns and knowing how to aim and hold angles

[@lxlKHARMAlxl]

Plus the broken Aim Assist.

[@bodkin7841]

@@elemental2374 I'd rather leave them quick but have sniper flinch, because I feel they're very difficult to counter because they can tank 100ms of your damage and 1 tap you when you still have 100ms left to go to kill them because of the low flinch I also think that this change would make the mk2 lever action more relevant. In mw19 it was relevant for being really fast despite its small 1 shot area and short range. In mw2 though the spr and sab50 are the same speed effectively, with much longer range and pretty forgiving 1 shot areas too. On tip of this the bolt action was made faster, so the mk2 is honestly pretty bad off rn

[@redeye8075]

I want to see what the result would be if the sniper has those 2 anti flinch attachments and you’re using +p. I know it wouldn’t happen often but I still want to see

[@lucjankacprowski1209]

Be should have tested it in the video ngl

[@TheAlmightyDale]

I feel the base flinch definitely needs to be increased for the SPR and the other Marksman Rifle in that gun tree. There's so many situations where I'm lighting someone up, they're close to death and they still manage to kill me before I can kill them. Like I've literally started shooting at them before they've even seen me and they just turn around and take me out. Yes I understand it takes quite a bit of skill to use bolt actions rifles but I run into players using them so much even on the smaller maps.

[@KekusMagnus]

with aim assist the "skill" of using bolt actions goes out of the window I remember when snipers didn't gave aim assist

[@inconspicuous7464]

There is not skilled involved with using the marksman rifles

[@ethanoshea8379]

@@KekusMagnus came here to day the exact same thing. Controllers shouldn't have aim assist when ads with a sniper. Also controversially I think when holding at the hip there should be none too. Atleast not the tracking type

[@rodrigopaim82]

Marksmen rifles should have the same flinch as snipers. Their strenghts already lies on their faster ADS and movement speed.

[@TheAlmightyDale]

@@inconspicuous7464 If that where the case I'd be good at using them. Never been good with bolt action rifles even with aim assist. :P

[@battlexman4741]

never notice flinch as an issue. The real issue is the screen going black and white, destroying your vision. Sniper flinch also seem to be done in one frame making it feel impossible to fight through it.

[@Dodge_podge]

Hey Ace! You're the only person who actually approaches this game scientifically rather than just acting hype and shouting misinformation, super appreciate that. One of your next ones, could you check out shotguns? Specifically chokes, damage range vs pellet spread, etc... Would really be interested in what setup truly gets you the most range for consistent 1-shot kills. 👍

[@charzard5412]

Cod needs to put you in the pay roll and give you time before the launch of the game to make these videos. Great content 10/10 ❤

[@lobagoobie9198]

He's a more reliable source because he's not affiliated and he's probably better off like this

[@phattjohnson]

@@lobagoobie9198 looking at the big picture you are! Agree 100%! He doesn't have his snout in the trough so has nothing to lose by being honest!

[@preatormkv4762]

@@lobagoobie9198 Not necessarily true, His hard work is another man's pleasure. To the developers: why should they waste money, time and resources developing a full in-depth guide for every single attachment, for every single weapon when someone in your community is going to do it for you for free and for a chance at fame?

[@josephlance9262]

I know you already spend crazy time on these videos and of course they are always great, but I would be interested to see the flinch perk/ attachments vs. the over pressured bullets. If I had to guess, it’s actually probably bugged somehow to where one acts like other doesn’t exist

[@OLYMPICx22x]

You didn't cover how much flinch you receive when you lower your flinch resistance with tuning optics! When you tune you can lower yours for an increase in ADS speed, something that I think a lot of people do, so adding that would be useful.

[@phattjohnson]

He kinda dissed tuning in an earlier video, so he's letting that ride out until he touches it again ;)

[@Captaincapafew14]

Hey ace could you check the attachments that make flinch resistance worse? Like the Shockwave grips from shotguns or the no stoch attachments?

[@orionizaqt]

Literally what I was ask lol

[@ashtonoak4370]

Im a non sniper trying to gd snipers. Ive found running around aiming low (knee caps and lower) and that allows for your reaction time to be trash because as soon as youre shot, aim and shoot, the flinch will line you up for a head shot.

[@MiksteR_RdY]

What a coincidence. Just this morning, it's 9pm for me, I ranted to/with a friend about WHERE THE HELL IS THE FLINCH and I wanted to look it up so bad. Glad the number one go to channel uploads his in depth findings once again. Cheers, Ace.

[@dlarsh]

Seems like there's at least one match a night where me or one of my buddies ends up tilted by someone with an SPR who lands his one tap despite having eaten 2/3 shots already.

[@LH-qw7ck]

I enjoyed Gameplay, I didn't hear you😅😅 and then I went back to the video and it turned out that you said important things too, you're just a king

[@patrickhoran37]

From my own testing with the flinch grip on the SP-X 80 (Lynx Grip I think). It actually also seems to make your gun ADS faster even though it doesn't claim to. I tested it multiple times @ 60fps and it was consistently 1 frame (~16ms) faster with the flinch grip compared to no grip. Also when you tune the flinch grips they have tuning options for "ADS speed".

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[@phattjohnson]

@@NeightrixPrime Like the perk Overpowered? Noted! I'll run it and it can become my favourite too!

[@ulysseskruger]

Funny how the flinch is exactly level with the enemies head. Which would explain the amount of lucky head shots

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[@florek5_]

It’s more the damage multipliers that are completely broken

[@drkprnc87]

My friend recommended your channel. Man you do not disappoint. Thank you for such detailed breakdown.

[@TripleJSC2]

Every time I google something random in a Modern Warfare game, you have a video for it. Love all of your content Ace, keep up the great work!

[@dale_vee]

what about the attachments that give you worse flinch resistance? I would’ve liked to see comparisons with those

[@evanamon1287]

Specifically the stock!

[@Gnilson5]

Video idea: A video showcasing the different aim assist types (standard, Black Ops) since there have been word around, that Black Ops is way stronger. At the same time footage is around, that if you rotate your left stick while someone passes by, the rotational aim assist is crazy strong. Would be nice to see this debunked or confirmed. Love the videos btw

[@xXWyTeBreaDXx]

I’m glad you showed this and confirmed that marksman rifles have basically no flinch. That needs to change. Bolt actions in the marksman rifle class at the very least need half as much flinch as the snipers.

[@EvitiniaNetTV]

One thing you really should cover, and I don't want to shame you in any way in case somebody tries to say so, is the differences of flinch with AA compensating on a controller vs KbM. Thank you for your thorough testing procedures mate ^^

[@Everything2A]

I just got all 4 shotgun platinum camos. The flinch when trying to long shot is unreal.

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[@fuzzynuttz5092]

When using a sniper, one shot and it makes me feel like my character is having a seizure

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

@@l-_-lForkBombl-_-l because snipers are pretty consistent, I love them all (except the SPR that gun can burn in hell for all I care)

[@walkmanstudios9733]

Wish the guys I fight were like that. I mean I sink 2-3 shots in them and they still get the headshot on me every time.

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

@@walkmanstudios9733 i suppose it could be that they aimed a bit lower and the flich made it so to hit a head shot easier

[@hachelyd_i03]

MW2019 snipers are just as good as these snipers if not better. The SPR is still broken of course.

[@jeyschleg3306]

Ye wining against an AR with a sniper at long range is pretty tough because of the flinch and if you get an hit marker you’re dead if at least sniper would cause flinch ( like I would expect from a sniper bullet) it would make it almost fair

[@foxwhistle]

I think something that alot of people aren't accounting for when it comes to AR flinch is recoil. Flinch ABSOLUTELY matters and will compound with Recoil + Low Stability. Honestly I found that Stability and Flinch attachments give more accuracy overall vs Recoil Attachments.

[@Xander_Park]

"a lot"

[@kryssz07]

Sniper flinch is unreal after update. Literally mid-long range a guy won a fight with a vector because it is just so un predictable that i couldn’t land a shot. This only encourages camping at the end of the map with a sniper once again, nicely done 👏👏

[@mattevlknevl4817]

You almost covered it, I really wanted to see how much flinch you inflict running overpressured against someone running focus and/or attachments.

[@r.j.bedore9884]

I think flinch should also be based on how much zoom your optic has. If you are getting shot while looking through a mini reflex sight, it should have less flinch than if you are shot while looking through a 10x scope.

[@henryi.rodriguez6812]

This is great information, I had no idea that perk + that attachment would help that much when sniping

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[@YOUfailME911]

It would be nice if flinch was more horizontal than vertical, that way having first shot would matter more. With pure vertical flinch experienced players can use that as a way to ride shots into the head. It would also help against the plague of SPRs by forcing more of their shots to miss, or redirect to other parts of the body that aren’t 1 shot kills.

[@jamaisvu2664]

Would have liked to see the +P vs max flinch resistance sniper be tested here as well.

[@LeeH1989]

Yeah I thought that would of been tested tbh

[@Ninrijitsu17]

This man answers every question I have about this game

[@Swayingthrough]

Based on your findings and how OP marksmen rifles are in this game, I think they should be higher and basically middle to "other guns" and snipers. They basically are sniper rifles in a way especially since they 1 or 2 shot.

[@TheCloudCreation]

I think you're really underselling the effect of anti flinch attachments/perk on regular guns. Based on your findings, if you're aiming for upper torso/head (which you should for optimal ttk) then having no or even one anti flinch mod can make the difference between hitting and missing your shot in a gun fight. I know the base flinch isn't a lot, so the average player that aims for the body won't notice but if you aim for the head, you'll end up missing a lot of shots because of flinch.

[@averageduck1327]

12 seconds into the video and I want to say b4 I see anything that I've never seen somebody flinch off me with the SPR in a dozen hours of gameplay, killcam is me hitting 3 bullets and them shooting me between the eyes lol

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[@Yursa_Luna]

I say marksman rifles (at at least the ones that have a 1 shop potential below the head) should have more flinch. Another thing ive been having a problem with, is everyone is using lower zoom scopes on snipers because it doesn't have the sniper glint. I feel all snipers should have sniper glint no matter the scope. That was literally the reason sniper glint is in games now, so you know when you might be killed instantly by a sniper and to move away.

[@arny_FPS]

Your videos are fire! Great breakdown, excellent visuals to help follow. Thank you!

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[@diligaf1000]

Not enough flinch on the SPR..

[@admiralautism6593]

I totally agree, I think the base flinch should be somewhere at about the middle between the snipers and where the marksman’s are now. That and a bit of an ads nerf will probably make the gun balanced.

[@jasonserkowski7194]

The bolt action marksman rifles should flinch in the middle of the AR and Sniper lines. Semi-auto marksman rifles are ok as is

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[@hachelyd_i03]

@Russell White big facts, faster than all other weapons.

[@traviscain3958]

@Russell White yeah but it still needs to be fast enpugh to be used agressivley

[@londonjolly9174]

The problem with having super fast and non-flinching one-shot weapons (ala SPR, iron sighted sniper, etc.) is that there is only the downsides of capacity and fire rate without the shotguns major downside: range. If a shotgun one shots you, that's its advantage of being slow (and few in rounds to shoot) - it disintegrates you up close, but not any further. The one-shot MRs and super-fast snipers have access to that damage potential at almost any range in 6v6, and the scope can be removed for practically no downsides because of how clean the irons are. It's more poor balancing from modern COD alongside elephant footstep audio, the back and forth UAV / Dead Silence meta in SnD, and the asinine perk system.

[@marceloguia6107]

Flinch shouldn't be a thing in the first place... It's random, because you can't predict the exact moment you get shot. It kicks way harder than normal recoil and it's a more violent and quick kick. This combination means no matter how good you are, you can't really react to flinch to control it. It will throw you off unless you aim lower in advance. Additionally, you have the joy of getting randomly headshot by your opponent, after your bullets flinched their bad aim into your head... After you shot them first no less... These factors create a mechanic that discourages headshots, as you're far more likely to miss if you flinch at head-level. And it encourages lower skill (aiming at the torso instead of the head), since it's more consistent to just shoot at torso-level and hope for a random flinch headshot... I'd rather have snipers running around like mad men, than deal with these unnecessary problems. At least that way I know my opponent's aim was on point. But if they really just want to balance sniper and marksman rifles, then don't affect other weapon types with flinch (useless) and ideally make a new kind of flinch that is controllable using skill. Something like increased sway for a few seconds should do, as it's controllable, but still throws you off for getting shot at.

[@micahhoos4218]

1. Marksman rifles need slightly more. 2. Sniper rifles need slightly less. 3. Flinch should lower as you get farther from the target, like if i beam you at 40m with an SMG, there should be 0 flinch.

[@taiguy53]

Hey Ace, I'm really late with to comment this, but you can add more flinch resistance when you use an optic. You can tune the optic for ADS speed or flinch resistance. I'm curious to know if that adds any significant value, on top of flinch resistance attachments and the focus perk.

[@Nickolaskies]

This is what I'm trying to figure out to

[@CalicoJoeJoe]

I'm really liking this channel

[@MC-gj8fg]

So the obvious question left on the table here is how the overpressure ammo is affected when the sniper has focus and flinch attachments as they almost certainly will. Is the ammo still very much worth using against these opponents or does the anti flinch reduce the effect of the ammo to near worthlessness?

[@goonafresh184]

the only thing i hated about getting snipers plat was the flinch. 1 bullet will send my screen looking straight to the sky like i was an astronomer.

[@bodkin7841]

If it wasn't for this you'd win any fight by just aiming already. People who are good aren't missing much, and now you have the best ttk at all ranges

[@mrspinkles700]

I'd imagine anyone getting hit by a bullet would find it harder to aim temporarily. fps' should reward good suppression and hits.

[@goonafresh184]

@@bodkin7841 yeah. i just think snipers are so poo poo, well at least in mp. its like marksmans are the snipers for mp and snipers were built for warzone and ground war. you can use a sniper in mp but if you stop adsing, you are at such a disadvantage . Actually required to sit on your hole

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[@kingrofty]

Incredibly helpful videos, Ace. I am about to start leveling up my sniper rifles. Thanks!

[@ImSharingaan]

I was initially using focus on my sniper class but opted out for fast hands because I don't like getting caught reloading and want to switch to my pistol but now seeing this difference I'm never taking it off

[@MC-gj8fg]

I suck with sniper rifles, but I never understood, with flinch in the game, how I could light an enemy sniper up with an AR and they would still manage to 1-shot me with several hit markers on them and I can't hit a thing while I'm in the same situation while sniping. I guess this explains it.

[@nzomm]

3:28 best transition i've ever seen

[@StowDawg21]

I don't notice any flinch because I get one framed most of the time. Then everyone becomes bullet sponges when I shoot them.

[@Yea___]

Yep. Cod netcode is dookie as usual

[@29blazehead]

This is why I dont play core modes. But HC isn't released yet.

[@freethinker5226]

I’ve never been shot irl, but it seems to me that all weapons but snipers need more flinch for sure. Snipers may or may not need more flinch. Whomever gets shots on target first should be more greatly rewarded…I’d be ok also with adding more HP or reducing bullet damage values to increase TTK.

[@MastaKeahi]

Flinch is like a double edge sword because it helps the person you’re shooting at get a head shot easier when they aim at the body

[@TheW4rheart]

My only issue with flinch is looking back at killcams and seeing that my good aim handed them a headshot on me. So frustrating that flinch is purely vertical and adds no horizontal element to it.

[@WinstonWolfe21]

Wish Cold War had that kind of flinch for snipers. The snipers in that game are broken as hell even have aim assist which they never should have reenabled

[@TheShapeshifter]

Yeah, I ended up taking advantage of this in Cold War. They were so op for a long ass time.

[@WAZOWSKI_58]

I'm not great at sniping at all and could snipe in that game 🤣

[@hachelyd_i03]

Only Black Ops 1, Black Ops 3, CoD 4, and WaW took skill to snipe or quickscope. I'm not counting anything before CoD 4.

[@flansquadgaming9286]

I’m usually for snipers being good, don’t hate quick scoping, but CW was fucking stupid strong. No flinch along with aim assist and damage increasing barrels made snipers in that game stupid, ruined SnD

[@bradenmchenry995]

@@hachelyd_i03 you’re not serious with cod 4

[@WarLord_87]

Love that they stack and you can cut flinch down. I'm waiting on you to do a video about how to eliminate or cut down the amount of weapon sway. Cuz I hate the amount of sway the weapons have in this game especially snipers

[@whydidimakethis111]

Put on attachments that improve aiming idle stability, that is what you are looking for.

[@IceDPS]

Would of been interesting to see the +p tested against the flinch resistance perk and attachment

[@joshua3630]

Theres not enough flinch. Case in point: You shoot first but the enemy is still able to take you out because there is no flinch and their weapon has better TTK.

[@theYTfox]

I decided to run Overpressured ammo, don't care if the difference is little but i've noticed that it sometimes saves me from the one shot snipers maybe 3 or 4/10 times.

[@durden8122]

I dunno, but the one shot deaths I'm getting and the time to kill of HC is really frustrating. The spawns from FFA in teams is also bullshit

[@ehodovic]

Feels like marksman rifles don't have enough tbh. I like a snappy marksman rifle, but you should not lose to one if you shoot first with a full auto gun.

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[@FAVOURITEBRO]

I think the mid range scopes in this game needs an aim stability buff, they sway to much and the first shot recoil makes them almost useless on so many guns.

[@brawler5760]

So the biggest problem is that the SPR and SAB don’t have enough flinch for how dumb they are. So basically give them a shit ton more flinch, but not to sniper rifle levels.

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[@TammoHP]

Please make a follow up video. A lot of good questions in this comment section

[@NobleOtterNZ]

Controller AA sometimes doesn't care about flinch. It just locks back on the enemy's head. No idea how to balance it, just harder to control flinch on MnK.

[@Immortaljinzo]

Can you make a video on how to increase hip fire accuracy, im struggling !

[@kingoftherevolution4855]

I miss directional flinch, if it still exists it isn't much. Also it should increase based on how much damage you take like it used to imo also. Hit markers from the barret would do more than a p90 from 50 meters away. It changing based on your hands is good for balance but imo it should be both.

[@Ppolfo]

Kinda surprised you didn't test or mention what the Focus + Attachment build would do against the Overpressed +P rounds. But like what everyone else is saying I think bolt action marksman rifles like the SPR and SA should also have sniper flinch to make them less egregious.

[@BravoHalcyon]

I'm sure it's clear to everyone that Marksman Rifles were IW's new plaything for MWII and were way overtuned. A nerf to the flinch would be a great balance as it would open up counterplay and make them not the best weapon to use in close quarters, medium range, and long range

[@redcomet6327]

I would say that, honestly more than flinch, I feel like mw2 really noticeably messes with visibility when firing. I remember people talking about muzzle flash during the beta, but even post-beta I feel like this is still the case. Just go into the firing range and pick any gun and mag dump at a target, especially the farthest one. It doesn't matter if you use a suppressor, flash hider, or no muzzle, the smoke from the barrel just clouds everything in front of you, and if not for the hitmarker sound+graphic, I feel like it's kind of hard to tell if you're still landing your shots. Now, I'd say also that this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but just something I noticed. Another little random thing as well, following the dust clouds from an explosion, mid/high zoom optics seem to be able to peek through them a little bit better. This also appears to work in locations with a lot of glare, e.g. the outdoors areas in Embassy.

[@Flame4theUNDEAD]

I thought the flinch resistance was really helpful when using the pistols.

[@SyCannon]

As a marksman user primarily, marksmen needs way more flinch. If I throw on a snipers optic it essentially becomes a sniper class weapon. So why not tone down the flinch for snipers and turn up flinch for marksman’s.

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[@Chilletid93]

Something that I don't hear people talk about is how busted flinch is when meleeing someone. I've been in a few situations where me and someone else crash when turning a corner or something. When that happens, I always start to shoot. But if the other player starts to melee and I get hit, my aim is thrown way off and I miss the following shots. Before I even get time to correct my aim, the opponent hits me again and I die. It doesn't happen often thankfully but when it does its so stupid and annoying.

[@jaygsxr5981]

Fax

[@ianmrsh]

It’s definitely debatable, but I think that’s melee flinch working as intended. Being in similar situations it’s not a guarantee one way or the other. I find a lot a fun in trying to get a bead back on target and keep distance as well as rushing in hoping I have enough time and skill to get two hits off.

[@HeartTribe]

Maybe, MAYBE they could turn it down a notch, but I think that it is fine overall. That is how it is supposed to work.

[@bodkin7841]

I think if it didn't do this it'd be better to just shoot, but there are melee damage muzzles that make them 1 hit so idk

[@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-]

It's intentional. It's a substitute for instant kill knifing in older CODs, but it gives you a slight chance to survive.

[@toxicdragon323]

The flinch on the snipers is ridiculous! I've gotten headshots when I aimed at the lower groin area after being flinched, and it was on Shipment! A small map! What I hate is that you have to sacrifice aim down sight speed to have flinch resistance attachments, and snipers already have some of the slowest ADS speeds as it is! Snipers are already at a disadvantage as it is compared to most of the other weapon classes. They're the only weapons I have to use the focus perk on. I never had to use that perk for any other weapon class!

[@sIayerz]

I'm fine with base flinch for all weapons except marksman rifles. They definitely need flinch added. Sniper flinch is fine to, I don't think it should be reduced. They need to use focus which is fair.

[@Coffeemeister84]

Great vid! Definitely going to change my sniper loadouts.

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[@imPlatima]

That was smooth transition 3:27

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[@rickkcir2151]

I never understood why flinch is always up. If it’s a response to pain, shouldn’t the movement be more randomized? Furthermore, since the character is more likely to get shot below where they’re holding the gun. Shouldn’t the flinch be downward? When you’re hurt you’re going to instinctively try to cover where you got hurt. Flinching up would just exposed the injured area more.

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[@Darksiege357]

@TheXclusiveAce I'm surprised you didn't also test how well the flinch resistance would fare against +P ammo, though I imagine the ammo just cancels out the effects of one of the attachments.

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[@Phillz91]

I find the decision to base flinch off what gun you are holding an odd one, but it is what it is I suppose. I do wish the +P ammo gave aa much affect and either the flinch resist attachment or the perk. I think the SPR/SAB need balancing, and additional flinch could be a way to do that. Personally I would like to see a min ADS increase as they currently ADS faster/as fast as some of the quickest in the game while maintaining OHK potential, but that is off topic for the video.

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[@GREENBEAST2425]

Would love to see LMGs cause more flinch. They don't hold up well and providing them with added impression(ish) abilities might make them a bit more valuable.

[@Rescultir]

Well considering there is really only 1 good perk in the bonus perk section (fast hands) I think maybe increasing the flinch to mnake focus more viable would be ok. Not for snipers considering they have a pretty massive amount of flinch as is but for the other weapons it would be fine.

[@Hezaryus]

Flinch is very important to keyboard and mouse players, thanks for the vid

[@Helltee]

Flinch in this game is perfect for view kick headshots and unbalanced gun fights. Fantastic.

[@alexanderdavies1891]

The bolt action marksman rifles need way more flinch than they have. Somewhere like halfway between the snipers and the regualr weapons. The fact that most of my lobbies have over half the team running SPRs or their derivatives is completely ridiculous.

[@TalonVI]

I wonder if kill cams don't really show the flinch. I was having a rough time against snipers when using a LMG. I'd hit them and they still killed me. Watching the kill cam their crosshair never left my body even after taking a couple hits.

[@sbrader97]

Or they are all running focus perk and the rear grip for flinch resistance but yeah it often feels like cold war all over again putting several shots to then be no flinch quickscoped in the killcam

[@TalonVI]

@@sbrader97 Yeah I did comment before finishing the video and do see there is a large reduction in flinch. That said, what I was seeing in kill cam was literally zero flinch.

[@GammaKat123]

Marksman rifles negligible difference in flinch from ARs is a joke the semi auto marksman rifles that makes sense but the bolt action marksman rifles should be on par with the sniper rifles. However sniper rifles need some sort of change to flinch because ive had people quickscope me as im shooting them and their aim is completely unaffected. That being said the magnitude of flinch for sniper rifles also seems too high going almost an entire body length above the enemy is extreme imo if it was like 75%-80% of what it is now with the flinch resistance decreasing attachments bringing it back up to 100% it would be perfect just my opinion though hope everyone is having a lovely day.

[@ajdhockey20]

Nobody wants to talk about how the flinch is handing out free headshots and the headshot multiplier has increased? I’m losing gum fights because I’m shooting first sometimes. 😂😂

[@neokim5492]

When I start firing during a gunfight, it seems that my aim is sometimes bouncing left and right and it’s hard to track the enemy who is landing shots at me. Could this be the effect of the Overpressured P rounds? In that case, you might wanna test the flinch when getting shot and firing simultaneously.

[@Lembobwaii]

If you have a marksman rifle and you aim at the mid torso and someone shoots you at the same time you shoot them it turns into a one shot one kill headshot lol

[@TammoHP]

Is there directional flinch? What I mean: Getting shot from the side makes your flinch jump to the side. It sometimes feels like it's a thing and would be interesting if somebody could answer my question

[@yoteskote5892]

With the delayed perk system it will make gunfights seem much more inconsistent. Having to wait for a perk to help you win gunfights (sniping) is terrible is every sense

[@GreyAndSheep]

overpressurized ammo might be the move in warzone 2, since there will be a lot of snipers

[@jackallin4713]

Launcher flinch? I NEED TO KNOW ACE!!

[@FOS_Sven]

So you didn't test flinch ammo against its counter perk & attachments?

[@dogboy0912]

I think +P with high rof weapons is maximizing its usefulness. Most high rof weapons are also those with poor damage range. When their gun's TTK outmatches yours in this scenario, +P can make up the difference by making it hard to hit you.

[@NTO4GPredator]

Sorry but just a comment on your flinch comparisons. The snipers cannot be compared to the other weapons without them all having the same magnification scope. As magnification amplifies flinch same as it does recoil. To make it a fair test maybe use a 4x acog on all weapons. Just wanted to mention. Great video and great info.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

That's not the case. While your perception of the flinch will change based on the zoom level of your optic, the actual flinch to your point of aim is constant and that's what was being tested here.

[@gyozathegyozarian1525]

Very informative content, thanks!!

[@BBBerti]

I think battlerifles can benefit greatly from flinch resistance, because one missed shot is gonna decide the gunfight without those. For snipes it's a no brainer.

[@mehtoj2]

Thank you i almost lost my mind today trying to snipe just to miss my shots in to the sky after being shot