How Bad Is It At Ineos-Grenadiers? | GCN Racing News Show

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@johnstrac Ай бұрын

For some reason Ineos try to ride like they did when they were winning but now it's to protect a top 10 finish. Until they have a GC contender they need to concentrate on stages. or a minor jersey.

@whatwelearned Ай бұрын

This is so true

@marcr7583 Ай бұрын

exactly. And at the Tour, they brought a lot of talent - but what was actually their goal? It's not clear to me. Did they expect to play a role in GC without a GC rider? Feels to me that they're not accepting the current reality they're in. They should ride smart instead of dominant and then lose it all in every mountain stage.

@BoCaine Ай бұрын

They should be cleaning up those smaller races and tours honestly... they should be sending strong teams to those events and making sure they get podiums otherwise they're just riding for top 10 in the grand tours and some classics

@mattpotter8725 Ай бұрын

@@marcr7583 I do actually think that they thought that Carlos Rodriguez could get on the podium, misguided but I think that's what they believed, much like G has in recent years. What they don't seem to realise is that this was very unlikely to happen, that teams have massively invested in top class riders, even as super domestiques, that Rodriguez was always going to find it though to beat. If I was being kind to Ineos I think they are, maybe so are, hoping that Bernal do get back to his best again and become a GC contender, I guess he's still under a long big money contract that they can't get out of and so they are stuck hoping he'll get back to be able to compete with the very best. I kind of agree with you about focusing on the week long races, this might work, this or concentrate on the lesser GT's (although this year with Pog going the Giro it was going to be too win here),but to implement this decision has to be to change strategy in order to do this. I think the problem has stemmed mainly the riders they let go, namely Martinez (who seems better than Rodriguez), Sivakov, and even Geoghan-Hart, and not replacing them with riders equal or better quality. They seem to rely on G a lot, why he even went to the Tour after doing the Giro is beyond me, even if it was only we a support rider, he just had nothing to offer and can't do this at his age now.

@dawnc5797 Ай бұрын

@@marcr7583Pidcock was meant to be their GC rider but that didn't work out.

@oldanslo Ай бұрын

0:44 Ride of the Century? Although a brilliant show of tactics and strength by Faulkner this year, I remember a certain Anna Kiesenhofer holding off the entire women's peloton from kilometer zero at the Tokyo Olympics three years ago.

@jrgenlund1300 Ай бұрын

That may have had something to do with some of the dumbest racing from the Dutch team, not realizing there was another rider out front - giving the breakaway a 10 minute gap, and then sending solo attacks instead of using the team to close the gap.

@twatts4436 Ай бұрын

Basically Froome and Bernal's crashes doomed the team. G is a good rider, but old. Bernal was meant to be the teams future, but since his crash he hasn't really come back to form - which is fair enough considering his injuries!

@user-en9qd5nx8w Ай бұрын

I think Bernal recently said that he feels he is riding stronger now then he did during his TdF win, but the thing is there are a few more guys in front of him that are even more stronger.

@suisinghoraceho2403 Ай бұрын

@@user-en9qd5nx8wOf course, he says that. He might even achieved a power PB of some interval duration recently. That said, racing is much more than that. If he did get to his pre-crash level, he would at least be a head above the rest apart from the big four.

@johnnycab8986 Ай бұрын

Bernal is fitter than ever, he is just not competitive in today's mutant era. INEOS didn't suffer any budget reduction. INEOS can only wait for the next super rider to come up and dump a bunch of money to get him, and then they need to get their doping program up to UAEs level.

@twatts4436 Ай бұрын

@@user-en9qd5nx8w my thought is that, without the crash, he continues to perform and improve. In that scenario he's at a similar level to the likes of Pog and Vingegard.

@andrasszabo1570 Ай бұрын

@@twatts4436 Obviously without the crash he would've improved, but even then I don't think he could've matched Pogacar. Except on the very highest altitude climbs, but then Vingegaard's time trial is undescribably superior to his. He would've been tier 2 with Evenepoel and Roglic, but with worse punch, sprint and a far worse time trial.

@TulaneAve Ай бұрын

Oddly enough, I like the riders (as people) much more now than earlier years and during Sky years. I think expectations should just be readjusted given the types of riders they have which are more stage hunters than GC.

@StopTheRot Ай бұрын

You clearly haven’t met them. In the Sky days they were complete gentlemen. Froome as an example is a delightfully nice guy. Compare him to Pidcock 🤮

@rderouck Ай бұрын

Ineos' policy and tactics are as incomprehensible as a British political party platform. Bernal is sadly just a super domestique at best, Pidcock is neither a GC rider nor a team player, Thomas had some fine end-of-career years and can now retire, and Rodriguez is simply not the beastly talent that Tadej/Jonas/Remco are

@theweeklynewsexplosion5358 Ай бұрын

Rodriguez was much better last year he was clearly off his game.

@14Xaveco Ай бұрын

Pidcock sucks. Ineos only wants brits to be the leaders... this is absolute bullshit and considering the talents quite racist too.

@atlantaswelder Ай бұрын

I enjoy the La Fem races. The dynamic inside the peloton is different and the races are shorter which means i have a higher likelihood of watching it completely from start to finish.

@ehuremovic526 Ай бұрын

Can't wait to see a Yates vs Yates next year when UAE and Visma are challenging each other

@mattpotter8725 Ай бұрын

Adam Yates will be a support rider for Pog, Simon a support rider for Jonas so I'm not sure much Yates on Yates action we'll see, but Simon is definitely a decent addition to a now depleted Visma team.

@dawnc5797 Ай бұрын

@@mattpotter8725the brothers Yates will be used in tactics and strategy. If both teams do it right things could be interesting and entertaining next season.

@pookachu64 27 күн бұрын

Another pair of also rans

@levbobrov1398 Ай бұрын

Man, that lack of radios makes for some *amazing* racing! More of those, please!

@beckobert Ай бұрын

No radios makes riders winning the race scared to celebrate. Having multiple riders, who are capable of winning the race, and teams too small to control the race is what made the Olympic road races exciting.

@britCpower Ай бұрын

Absolutely. They need to ban them from professional cycling along with drafting team cars

@henkmogillo7352 Ай бұрын

They could try it out during flat boring stages on Grand Tours and no head units

@prestachuck2867 Ай бұрын

@@henkmogillo7352Bike ccomputers are no issue. It’s the race radios. Most riders don’t even have to think anymore. The director in the car radios time splits, who has a mechanical, how many turns ahead and how fast to take them, when to hold back, when to attack. Just ban the stupid radios.

@adamsouthard1155 Ай бұрын

Given what riders Ineos does NOT have, I don't see their fortunes changing quickly. But they also are not developing riders like I would expect. I'm not sure if they actually want Pidcock to be in random mountain bike races throughout the year rather than trying to win UCI road races or if they just can't tell Pidcock what his job is. But, that's an example.

@FoobsTon Ай бұрын

They're signing talented youngsters like Josh Tarling.... They've decided not to go down the scattergun approach like Chelsea. We'll see if it works in about 3-5 years. They've got deep enough pockets to do that unlike the other teams. Pidcock himself didn't know if he's Arthur or Martha. I suspect he'll have to focus more on road when he goes for another road contract.

@mattpotter8725 Ай бұрын

In the end I think it's still good press for Ineos having a rider of theirs winning Olympic Gold medals. Tom was firstly a top mountain bike rider, Ineos knew this when they gave him a contract. I suspect now that he's won his back to back gold medal he will, like in the past few years MVdP has done, he'll knuckle down and concentrate on the road from now on.

@FlatSpinMan Ай бұрын

Glad to see Average Rob popping up here. His videos are some of the most entertaining around.

@Sharkandbake Ай бұрын

Faulkner was incredible! She was faster than the vast majority of men in the final kilometers and faster than remco on a segment or two when both were going all out. She was beasting it. She knew her opponents and had the best legs that day. Brilliant!

@l.d.t.6327 26 күн бұрын

Curious about those segments?

@towhee7472 Ай бұрын

Geraint Thomas was not slower or weaker in the last couple years compared to his TdF winning years. His age is not the reason he can't win, it's the fact that the top riders of 2021 - 2024 are stronger than him. His power numbers are still some of the best in the world - Tadej and Jonas (and Remco) are just stronger.

@wcubbin Ай бұрын

Ineos are 6th in the world tour rankings, so not a disaster yet but definitely underperforming given their budget.

@MattGP01 Ай бұрын

Why are Ineos bad? No leadership, no GC leader to rally around, no clear focus (i.e. GC or classics), team is a mish mash of different styles. They need to decide what they want to be first.

@two20john 23 күн бұрын

Just read that brilliant quote from Pidcock “Cummings absence from the Tour would have a negligible effect” unfortunately it meant Team Ineos had a negligible effect, with or without Pidcock. Careful what you wish for.

@jfg2000utube Ай бұрын

I listen to Bernal's weekly podcast (Cyclast, in spanish), and two months ago his mindset was going to the tour to support Rodriguez, and as preparation for La Vuelta (he would like to win it, so he can say he won all grand tours). But then, we all saw how he faded away as the Tour progressed this year, and then straight after he finished it, he announced that it was unlikely he would take part in La Vuelta, and that he needed to sit down with his coach and develop new training plans. Huh ?? I think he's realised that he just can't match the best of the post-covid cycling era. All the talk is about enjoying his rides, the bike, how precious life is... which is understandable after doctors told him that there was a 75% chance he would not walk again when he had his accident, BUT... that doesn't help the team much, Ineos aren't going to pat him on his back and go ohhh well... let's just keep training and see if you get another top 3 on a week long race next year.... they need big results, and they won't come from Egan. Just saw news that Ethan Hayter is leaving the team as well... the ship is sinking and it's every man for himself.

@dominicbritt Ай бұрын

Ineos issues- 1 - badly run (see G Thomas recent comments about weak decision making) 2 - bikes no good (see Dan Bighams frustrations) 3 - Pidcock not a team player (see Netflix) 4 - physical preparation of riders not good enough - riders are not in the mix at the sharp end 5 - in car direction not good 6 - tDF objective was stage wins like a 1980s French team They miss Brailsfords focus.

@jsquire5pa Ай бұрын

7 drugs aren’t as good as

@SamHocking Ай бұрын

Ineos's issues are the same as every team other than UAE - they don't have a Pogacar leve lrider. I mean take Pogacar out of UAE you've basically got Jayco or Israel level team left.

@matthewlewis2072 29 күн бұрын

Brailsford's role is overstated. It's their ability to identify and manage riders that is letting them down.

@SamHocking 29 күн бұрын

@@matthewlewis2072 Who should they have identified and managed then? Ineos definitely identified top riders at a u19 Junior level. Martinez, Dunbar, Bernal, Narvaez, Sivakov, Pidcock, Rodriguez & Tarling either won u19 seasons or in the top 10 the last 10 years. I would agree these young riders perhaps don't reach a potential you expect at Ineos after Froome, Wiggins, Thomas & Bernal, but when these guys leave Ineos they rarely progress any more. I mean do we see Tao winning another GT at Trek, Dunbar's gone backwards, Sivakov's done a Landa and given up on GC it seems, yet all these riders were given GC leadership and got pretty far. Sivakov is now ranked as high as he was in hist first year at Sky. End of the day Pogacar was locked out of the market forever, nobody other than UAE could sign him. Jonas wasn't on anyone's radar and barely racing to identify and doing a Froome transformation is clearly not possible to plan by any team, it just happens. I'm not sure what their answer is when 3 GC riders are so far ahead of the numbers at the moment.

@ricardojesus647 Ай бұрын

Delighted to see a mention to volta a Portugal...the kid that weared yelow for most of the race (Afonso Eulálio) is a beast!

@kaltonian Ай бұрын

glad someone asked the question regarding inios, especially with some if not all of the bikes reaching the £40.000 price tag and yet still not able to grab a stage win at the prestigious tdf, so yeah what is going on ?

@matwetton 23 күн бұрын

I think there is a case to be made at the moment that ineos should hunt down victories in the classics. They don't have a multi stage gc guy and let's face it no one is supplanting the vingegaard pogacar hold on grand tours right now anyway. Pidcock for Paris roubaix as his mountainbike skills will help over the cobbles. And maybe him being "the man" for a race or 2 will help him realise his value in the team as a whole

@TheGotoGeek Ай бұрын

That money spigot at INEOS seems likely to be closing soon. Although getting rid of Pidcock may be addition by subtraction.

@Pratalax Ай бұрын

Ayyy big congrats to Coryn, what a legend.

@paulcuthbertson8015 Ай бұрын

Ineos are missing the knowledge of Nicolas Portal and a rider of the calibre of Chris Froome.

@bilwit Ай бұрын

Not just quality of riders or knowledge, remember Rohan Dennis leaving to Jumbo saying how far behind Ineos was at how they run the squad--training, equipment, sports science, everything. Dan Bigham just said the same thing 3 days ago after his transfer. It's been an arms race of how developed the squads are ran and Ineos has been stuck in 2017.

@timez9663 Ай бұрын

IPT however...

@Concelhosembicicleta Ай бұрын

Good to listen about Volta a Portugal! It was a great race!!!

@jtmuso Ай бұрын

Ineos haven’t changed their formula, ironically considering how they turned the formula and ethos upside down 15 years ago. They have some strong riders who could do well at the classics with some focus. Chasing GC in a grand tour is a big ask these days…

@Shelmer75 27 күн бұрын

I don’t see anyone getting GC at a Grand Tour outside of Visma/UAE for a while now. Unless you find a young gun and lock them tight into a contract early on, you’re probably going to lose them to one of the big 2.

@JosesAmazingWorlds Ай бұрын

Because G Thomas and Bernal are almost ex riders. Pidcock is a selfish rider good only for some classics or break away stage hunting. Carlos Rodriguez is the only rider they have to get a top 10 top 5 in a grand tour. They need an overhaul

@suisinghoraceho2403 Ай бұрын

Bernal is still youngish. Hopefully his recovery would take him further next year.

@oldtwinsna8347 Ай бұрын

@@suisinghoraceho2403 I believe he's already hitting those old numbers, it's just not enough anymore with the competition to remain as a leader. He could be useful as a good domestique but doesn't really have any experience in that type of support roll.

@suisinghoraceho2403 Ай бұрын

@@oldtwinsna8347 I have no doubt he’s hitting some power PBs in training recently. But that is different from being able to produce some efforts repeatedly or able to do a monstrous over hour long efforts at the end of a hard mountain stage.

@JosesAmazingWorlds Ай бұрын

@@oldtwinsna8347 clearly not the case. If he was hitting the same numbers as when he won the TdF he should have finished closer to the top. Not even top 10 with the same output as when he won the Tour in 2019? Nah...

@IverKnackerov Ай бұрын

Don’t blame Pidcock …he’s one of the few riders to actually deliver the team any results ! You don’t become a world champion or yellow jersey winner unless you have some drive and desire to win ….thats not being selfish

@two20john Ай бұрын

Not sure why they listened to Pidcock and left Steve Cummings at home. If there's one guy at Ineos who knows the TdF it's him. Maybe a case of too many chiefs...

@curtisbullock9739 Ай бұрын

Great show! So proud to be a member of the channel. ❤

@andrewsandoz8005 Ай бұрын

Deep pockets and top notch riders don't always guarantee great results

@dawnc5797 Ай бұрын

You only have to look at Visma's year to see that. The crashes and illnesses this season brought to its knees the juggernaut of the past few seasons. Almost nothing is different other than Roglic being gone but he wouldn't have saved this season for Visma if he was still there. One or two issues can cause a minor blip on the radar but a perfect storm of issues/events can cause chaos.

@andreemurray7039 Ай бұрын

I think the team will fold because ineos will focus on F1 and Man utd

@gcnracing Ай бұрын

Do you think Ineos-Grenadiers are struggling at the moment? 🧐 Why?

@sabbyo Ай бұрын

Its since the Jiffy bag scandal hit

@VictorHearnYeates Ай бұрын

They definitely need a shake up, as the money isn’t transforming into results. My one observation is that no rider seems to find a new level on joining, unlike Visma and UAE. That would point to somethingin the coaching set up, or race scheduling. Tactics seem sound if conservative

@davidkennett2372 Ай бұрын

Ethan to Quickstep also....

@Andy_ATB Ай бұрын

Winning World Cups, having both World & Olympic champions doesn't sound like struggling......Except in the insular world of road racing.

@martysmarty7269 Ай бұрын

There defintive something wrong in the leadership of the team and in the general performance departement. There arent top nodge anymore in these departments since the grow of visma a few years ago.

@grantboydell1933 Ай бұрын

Tours de France (is the plural)

@howlinhauler Ай бұрын

we need more of NO radio and small teams

@FoobsTon Ай бұрын

Yeah. Radios are strangling things. We need teams working things out for themselves.

@Veronsome Ай бұрын

Next season we will have less radios. It should spice things up...

@mackas69 27 күн бұрын

I watched many of the TdeF stages in their entirety and it surprised me how many former Ineos riders were name checked every day when animating a stage. Contrast that with Ineos 2024 and we hardly heard from them or saw them! Maybe they’ve forgotten how to race without a GC rider to promote/protect?

@JimUe1 Ай бұрын

great job Si

@l.a.kornell4498 Ай бұрын

Loved the surprise win from Kristen Faulkner! Laughed a lot when all my cycling socials were full of pics of...Vos and Kopecky. 😅Funny sometimes when you are an American fan of a European sport.. Re: Ineos, decisions will be easier when G retires, plenty of young guys coming up, Arensman, Heiduk, August, Sheff, Leonard etc.

@TalleyrandsPuppet Ай бұрын

Yeah, no it’s not G holding Ineos back.

@andrasszabo1570 Ай бұрын

8:21 Don't forget that Kopecky doesn't just ride on the road, and the road race is not the final race she'll take part in the Olympics. She's even better as a track rider. And with the omnium final on the Sunday, surely starting the Tour on the very next day would be too much for her.

@TheMarshallRoberts Ай бұрын

How are Olympic team sizes selected? It does not seem fair that Belguim had 4 riders - Tiesj to chase, Wout to sit on and wait for the sprint, and Remco to go off the front.

@dr.merlot1532 Ай бұрын

Only Pidcock, Egan, and G have been delivering the goods and also maybe Pipo and Tarling. The rest of INEOS needs to step it up.

@zrna1072 Ай бұрын

why doesnt have any video clip about the Remco MOVE at olympic road race or a resume nowhere in the internet????

@oldtwinsna8347 Ай бұрын

IOC have all kinds of bots operating 24x7 to scrub video feeds for anything to do with Olympics footage rights that weren't paid for.

@dawnc5797 Ай бұрын

Lack of camera bikes I suppose.

@WhyMe-zv4tv Ай бұрын

I've always assumed that it is a teams approach to doping or not doping that explains many of the differences.

@onlyonecjb001 28 күн бұрын

Yes, Ineos are struggling now, the more important question, is whether they can pivot and improve. There are so many reasons for this, not least others have closed the gaps and then moved it forward and radically improved, such as Jumbo et al. UAE has a once in a generation with Pog. Back to Ineos, Dave B is the MVP with his vision, leadership and management. I think Dan Bigham's recent resignation and what he said is exactly the issue. They are stuck and do not have a clear idea about direction. Previously, the team had a big budget and the best talent, now they have a big budget and talent that is on par with others (the professionalism within the whole peloton has massively improved, training rest, diet, CHO, etc). Nothing wrong with that, but if they do want to attract the talent they need to have a better plan especially as other big budget teams are competing for the same pool of talent and it would seem less of a risk to those people to join teams others than one that looks like it has problems...

@georgehugh3455 Ай бұрын

Until Ineos finds a generational talent on the order of Pogacar/Evenpoel/Vingegaard, they are NOT going to be in the Grand Tour-Winning game. Becoming a sprint-focused team seems far-fetched, so it looks like Classics and Stages are their best chances in the interim. Overhaul Time.

@donquique1 Ай бұрын

The way they ran the gyro was boooring af. They talk about jonas wheelsucking but at least he attacks. Ineos was just going for second beginning to end.

@ervin7178 Ай бұрын

And they were so passive they didn’t even get second, lost it to Martinez

@kalinasuter6535 Ай бұрын

realistically inoes struggle because their doping protocol is still in 2019, other teams have made big advances in this area (jumbo, uae) but theyve been left in the dust

@socopower 24 күн бұрын

Only signing Remco will re-float Ineos ship

@SPC11223 26 күн бұрын

Great video

@robertjohnston4669 Ай бұрын

Ineos should let Pidcock go. Yep, he is an extraordinary 'solo' rider, but he does not seem to do the 'team' thing very well !"£$%! Could you imagine if he had been on Patrick Lefevere's Quickstep team during the TdF !! He would have fired him !! :)

@beckobert Ай бұрын

At the TdF it became clear that many teams in the peleton are doing something that stops the riders from fatiguing and INEOS is perhaps one of the few top teams, that isn't doing it. Maybe that's also what all the disagreement between management, riders, DS and performance staff is all about.

@willbaren Ай бұрын

So, you’re completely right, without a marquee rider who can win the Tour de France INEOS are going to languish and the staff turnover is a symptom of stormy days ahead. Cheers.

@eleycki Ай бұрын

Why do you think Ineos are so rubbish when they are third in the world tour rankings at the moment?

@stephenfrankish62 26 күн бұрын

Id like to see ineos find more UK riders..and rebuild..pidcock isnt a team player rides for himself and doesnt have the distance in him for the big classics..i think he likes cross and mtb because theyre individual sports. His road training give him the fitness advantage at both if he just did mtb and cross and no road he probably wouldnt be as good. I d let him go..but dont know who would want him

@andyedwards7800 Ай бұрын

INEOS are a grand tour GC team with no Grand Tour potential winners in it. Would love to see Bernal back to the top but other than him.... but then look at Classics...no challengers to the likes of MVdP or Wout and then Pog or Remco out power Pidcock in the hillier classics.

@adamhindle9215 Ай бұрын

Can someone explain why Thomas was at the tour?

@simonroberts5033 Ай бұрын

He wanted to double up in his final grand tour season. Why else would they take? Be better off asking why they took Pidcock

@davidspagnolo4870 Ай бұрын

My guess is that he wanted to be there? At this point in his career, I doubt he goes anywhere that he doesn't want to go. He can just tell them to shove it and retire early if he doesn't want to ride anymore.

@iansingleton Ай бұрын

@@adamhindle9215 cos he's getting paid a really large amount of money and they want their moneys worth. He rode a great Giro, he's only good for maybe 8 weeks through the year even he admits that. It was easier for him to carry form over from the Giro into the tour than dropping form and having to build again for La Vuelta. Personally I think if they'd have given him team leader at the tour he'd have finished top 6. But they didn't and he was more than happy to just ride round in support. The man is an absolute legend. But his time has come to get the old winter bike out with mudguards and a bell. 😊

@ervin7178 Ай бұрын

@@iansingletona great giro for him would have been getting second, but Ineos were so passive they lost 2nd to Martinez

@bbbertucio 26 күн бұрын

Just a few solutions, playing backseat manager: 1) Old contracts - Ineos is carrying huge contracts from riders who made their name 5+ years ago. In 2026, Kwiato, G, Castro, Swifty should all be gone or in DS roles. 2) Equipment. When Pinarello dropped Movistar and said they'd work exclusively with Sky to develop bikes, it sounded like a great idea. Now Ineos is stuck with a mediocre supplier and the laughing stock of the casual consumer. I would a) either drop a lot of money to get Remco and bring Specialized along with him, b) try to sign three young riders with connections to a better brand (Specialized, Trek, Cervelo, etc.). 3) Invest in young riders looking for an aggressive racing style. Play moneyball a bit. Find the next Columbian phenom and let him race the Vuelta or Giro at 16. 4) Tell Pidcock he can't race the Tour until he lands a weeklong GC podium. In other words, we'll pay you to ride cross and MTB and have your fun (and we'll make you our social media project on those grounds), but you won't mess up the marquee event for us.

@rg31404 15 күн бұрын

It's just the age of Pogacar, it takes a lot to win

@dafydjay4364 Ай бұрын

Can you do a video discussing the very likely possibility of Olympic and Ironman world champion joining the jayco team next year?

@adrianhibberd9342 28 күн бұрын

They will get back to the top but not sure when

@JulekWPL Ай бұрын

Seems like disc brakes are stopping them from winning.

@phillippitts6294 Ай бұрын

Brailesford not hooking them up anymore?

@johnwestwell2241 Ай бұрын

Brailsford isn't directly involved in the team any more, as the video makes clear.

@teenybopper777 Ай бұрын

Surely Red Bull is a natural new home for Pidcock? There's already a relationship there and they would be more supportive of his mountain biking than Ineos have been

@AdamGordon1 Ай бұрын

Ineos needs a superstar leader. Who is frustrated where they are?

@tcslonaker177 Ай бұрын

Has Kopecki beat Vos in any sprint when the two of them come together at the finish!

@petyrkowalski9887 Ай бұрын

Ineos are a spent force unless they totally refresh the team and sign a top GC name like Evanapoel

@finguo1223 15 күн бұрын

one thing i dont agree is the "big budget". i dont think INEOS group have limitless budget. They do have a budget. and unfortunately their top 3 paying riders not performing in INEOS jersey. Egan, Tom, Carlos haven't been able to perform. You can also clearly see the structure of INEOS as they're signing all the "young" "upcoming" talent in hoping to search for the next pogacar/Jonas.Tom is under contract till 2027 and i suspect he feel he deserve a "pay raise" after the olympic gold in MTB but thats not what INEOS is about... The only way INEOS can save itself is by signing the next Pogi/Jonas/Remco type of riders. INEOS owner said before during an interview for manchester united that he would rather search for the next mbappe than paying for a mbappe. this mentality certainly applys to INEOS too. Dont expect INEOS to sign pedigree riders again unless theres a change of mind.

@peterknight9873 Ай бұрын

Team Ineos could be in trouble as it also seems that the management are not as a one resulting team not as one…. I can see Tom Pidcock moving to Red Bull Bora…. which also makes sense as he has a personal sponsorship with Red Bull

@Deon_Nel_Photography Ай бұрын

Anyone else feel like a teams name has a real, subconscious, effect on their performance? Team "Sky" an inspiring uplifting name - the sky is the limit. vs Ineos... Maybe not the main issue but perhaps psychologically it could have an effect.

@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv Ай бұрын

no. Not really.

@robtomlinson3721 27 күн бұрын

The Man Utd effect, that is Ratcliffes main focus now, the cycling team will be gone within a year or 2

@leangrypoulet7523 Ай бұрын

Watched the women's road race live. Firstly congratulations Faulkner. Excellently timed attack. But I was frankly staggered that two of the greatest female cyclists ever, didn't react to Faulkner's attack. I'm hoping it was just exhaustion, but looking at the body language it simply looked like a complete lack of will. For two champions to just sit there and capitulate like that was extraordinary. Indeed disappointing on such a big stage. What's more, Bas - who'd been off the front with Voss for ages, chose to copy what the 'greats' chose to do and also not chase Faulkner. She chose to follow their (apparently) better racing intuition and as a result went from having a chance to podium, to coming fourth. Tough.

@suisinghoraceho2403 Ай бұрын

Anyone not having the big 4 (maybe 3, unless Roglic is going to do some criterium racing to sharp up his pack skill) is going to look bad at this stage.

@finelytunedrideftr1932 Ай бұрын

sure Ineos would like Pidcock to train for and go for the win in TdF, in next 2 years, before the Olympic MTB qualifying cycle starts again. Think Pidcock would like to go for a TdF overall, but I think he get bored of just doing road.

@rlm4471 Ай бұрын

I don't think he has the talent to beat Pogacar or Jonas in the TdF, and Pogacar is going to be around for a long time. I think Pidcock should focus on MTB, cross, and hilly one day races.

@jilly2427 Ай бұрын

they are way behind other teams when it comes to tactics and training

@iansingleton Ай бұрын

Ineos have no Game plan! They're still rolling tactics they were using 6 years ago. The world has changed and they've been caught in no man's land! What are they? What does the team stand for? Are they a Grand Tour team? A classics team? Stage robbers? Nobody knows. Pidcock is not a grand tour rider. There's too much old wood propping up the youngsters. Jim Radcliffe has said they won't buy in talent they'll build it yet they've "Had" to sign 2 older riders to fill gaps! It's a shambles. It needs a firm hand from outside with no "friends & buddies" on the pay roll to come in and get a grip! At the moment there's no team just a bunch of old mates getting paid well running out their contracts before retiring! That's not how you win things. Time for Sir Jim to take 5 minutes away from old Trafford and get things sorted out!

@lordofthemound3890 Ай бұрын

Still just running the “Sky train” for some reason with no real GC contenders. Every time I see Ineos pace at the front, I know exactly what’s going to happen: they use up their guys one by one, then when the real attacks come, Rodriguez and Bernal fall off the back. You’re right-it makes no sense to employ these tactics for them today.

@iansingleton Ай бұрын

@@lordofthemound3890 exactly! And the whole Peloton know it. Thing is it's like the Ineos riders themselves know it's bullshit but that's what they're being told to do so they just do it. Which is probably why the likes of Pidcock are leaving not because of a lack of ambition but rather a lack of understanding modern racing and a lack of tactical awareness and ideas from the so called management!

@charliedillon1400 Ай бұрын

"What does the team stand for? Are they a Grand Tour team? A classics team? Stage robbers? " I 've been asking this about Jayco for years now.

@iansingleton Ай бұрын

@@charliedillon1400 😂😂😂😂👍

@lordofthemound3890 Ай бұрын

It’s pretty pathetic when they pace (especially in the valleys) to secure a, say, seventh place. How many times have we seen this display in the last few years?

@bookingstation Ай бұрын

This years Tour must a be a low point for INEOS. Mikel Landa, riding as a domestic finishing ahead of Carlos Rodriguez. Their team roster for stage racing is hampered by having Bernal, who hasn't returned to his previous level and is a top 10 one week stage racer. Thomas did OK at the Giro but is at the end of his career. Carlos Rodriguez doesn't seem to have progressed and doesn't look like a podium contender for grand tours. Pidcock has the engine and talent if he is able to focus on GC or is he better concentrating on 1 day races? INEOS do make some strange selections, such as putting Cameron Wurf in the Classics.

@AlfieBucks Ай бұрын

This would have been more informative to those like me, watching from my easy chair(!) if the management structure was explained. So who left Steve Cummins at home? Who is denying Dan Bigham's recommendations?

@km09876-t 28 күн бұрын

Re Ineos - when 20% of your riders (Pidcock, Ferrand-Prevot, Bigham, Hayter, Viviani and Ganna) are winning non-road Olympic medals then you have to wonder where the focus has been for the last 2 years.

@valk5045 10 күн бұрын

The ride of the century?

@Karlsberg8888 Ай бұрын

Pauline Ferrand-Prévot leaving too.

@MrCreamlover Ай бұрын

gedt rid of Pidcock he isnt strong enough for the 3 big tours

@MikeAG333 Ай бұрын

Oh, I see. The grand tours are the only bike races in the calender, right?

@gideonmthembu8693 27 күн бұрын

TP is their ace rider as we speak. If he goes, Ineos is dead with no wins everywhere.

@MrCreamlover 18 күн бұрын

Pidcock is a selfish rider not a team player

@MikeAG333 18 күн бұрын

@@MrCreamlover You're on the team, are you? Otherwise, which orifice have you plucked this from?

@gideonmthembu8693 18 күн бұрын

@@MrCreamlover,I don't think this is fair to the rider. The lad has talent and its in abundance across many disciplines. I suppose the leadership knows each and every rider's plans and ambitions for every year, they also self each of them after a fitness test. If there could be anything to blame, may be it should be to the leadership. TP does not select himself for the tour s. If the team has other riders stronger than him for the team's complement, then those would be selected ahead of him.

@livingwithfshd Ай бұрын

they should drop Tom he has been a let down for them

@boomshankah1123 Ай бұрын

Yep, he's more Plonker than Pidcock.

@janetw9016 Ай бұрын

sad Manon won't be reporting from TdFFaZ for GCN.

@davidvas8144 29 күн бұрын

Is it a coincidence that at the same time Ineos are declining the British cycling team have had their lowest medal count for 20 years?

@japphan 21 күн бұрын

Ineos dominated as long as they had twice the amount of money of the second richest team. They won on easy mode. Competent management was all that was needed. Now they have had bad luck, especially with Bernal. Hard mode. One of too few riders getting results is a whiny brat, horrible for team cohesion.

@skilletlicorice2926 Ай бұрын

Really? That's your summary of the men's Olympic Road Race? That's your summary of Remco's/Belgium's tactical masterclass? 15 seconds about the after-party and 30 seconds about his wheel change? Surely you can do better than this.

@rolopolo66 Ай бұрын

Not bad at all. The are ranked #3 in UCI ranking, won a monument with Pidcock and other races too. Nobody gives Bora or Lidl Trek so much scrutiny, even though those teams have similar budgets.

@nigelstead8424 Ай бұрын