How "Beside The Dying Fire" Showed Us The Brutality Of The Apocalypse

The group faced many different challenges over the course of the show. Whether that be a bad guy, a horde of zombies, personal decisions, survival decisions, an attack on their home, or sometimes a mix of a few of them, but the season 2 finale “Beside the dying fire” had all of these aspects.
0:00 - 0:58 - Intro
0:59 - 5:42 - Better Angels
5:43 - 10:30 - Beside The Dying Fire
10:31 - 11:36 - Rick & Daryl: Origins
11:37 - 12:14 - The Mystery of the Virus
12:15 - 15:44 - Rick vs. Shane vs. Lori
15:45 - 16:40 - Ricktatorship: Origins
16:41 - 19:06 - The Brutality of the Apocalypse
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[@smokymountainlegends7797]

Two flexes on this season, 1: Herschel’s house belongs to my cousins, I used to fish on that farm with my grandpa as a kid. And 2: I used to work for the 911 center of the neighboring county and we got the ultimate spoiler the night they filmed the barn fire. Coweta 911 called us so we could ignore any calls about a fire on the property (it lies within a mile of the county line) thus telling the fans in the radio room at least partially how the season was going to end. Good times.

[@glibchubik4090]

You didn't need to flex that hard on us man 😂 That's rad

[@xvx_k1r1t0_xvx_killme5]

if true, which i have no reason to doubt, that’s so cool. i absolutely loved season 2 almost entirely for how beautiful and peaceful the farm seemed. that must have been a great bit of your childhood, whether or not it became a famous zombie farm lol

[@dwaynecox2002]

That’s a bodybuilder level flex

[@AlejoConejo-vb8ln]

That is INDEED a flex lmao. The only flex I got was meeting Jon Bernthal (Shane) last month. I got to ask him what the 22 on his necklace means lol

[@brewer7290]

That’s so cool man!

[@chrisredz]

The “Ricktatorship” speech is absolutely phenomenal. One of his best.

[@glibchubik4090]

The one in S5 is also cool

[@liamphibia]

Well that is if you compare the other Ricktatorship speech from the *comics.*

[@lupine.spirit161]

My boyfriend loved the Shane Arc so much, when Rick started to Fall apart after Loris death and also in Alexandria he always said “Rick is Shane-ing around” and when he saw Negan he was like “That one is completely Shaned” and even when we consume other media and a character shows a similar development he still calls it shane-ing 😂

[@IIIISai]

awesome boyfriend

[@bahandplays8373]

The verb “Shane” should be added to the English vocabulary😂😂

[@twinkthatloveslotrtrilogy7676]

Shane is still the most interesting character of TWD

[@westonmeyer3110]

Shane is the only reason I kept watching the show

[@LoafofSourdough]

Based boyfriend behavior.

[@livingechoes]

Season 2 will always hold a special place in my heart and is severely underrated

[@ashleykathleen85]

I agree! It’s honestly one of my favorite seasons! The characters development was amazing

[@BullworthGraduate]

@@ashleykathleen85 Seasons 1-3, the original trilogy of seasons, will always be the best era of The Walking Dead.

[@GOTTA_RUN]

​@@BullworthGraduate season 5 was the best season from the show though

[@kevinfox500]

@@BullworthGraduate agree with you, and have to say the world building and character development was. Well done in that season. For me, 6 was the peak, with 3 and 5 a close second. Why some didn't lioe 2 was low action compared to 1. Which I don't disagree with. But the reason I liked the comics was the human moments, and character interacrions, as Romero put out plenty of action and scare zombie films. I want that, pop in something from his Dead series. Watched TWD, Fear, WB, and read the comics for monents like Rick filling in Andrea on the plan for handling the saviors, Negan and Carl's talks, things like that. Sesson 2 was the best in that aspect.

[@BenRai2k]

@@BullworthGraduate I agree, I wish they didnt kill Lori off til season 4, and didnt kill Andrea but made her the warrior should have been, but seasons 1-3 are very special. Seasons 4-6 are good too, and I liked 9. But 7-8 were not good really, and 10-11 were ok. But the first 3 seasons..special era.

[@isaacjh2178]

Would love a video going over Daryl and Ricks relationship

[@merlin8046]

Oh god yeah even an hour long

[@dontawashington7670]

I’ll 3rd that motion

[@Joe-rj1xs]

i’ll 4th that motion

[@98izzark69]

5th

[@Phyllis-ki2xo]

Yes, please.

[@chungang7037]

Rewatching the series made me appreciate Shane's character. But the Rick of later seasons basically became Shane in many ways, distrustful of strangers, leaving people to die because they can't be trusted, etc. That makes Shane's character all the more interesting, because he was right. His relationship with Carl makes him even more interesting, much like Neegan in later seasons, as they all care for him and it adds some dimensions to his character. Andrea nailed it on the head in season 2 when she told him he was right about most things, but he had to work on his presentation and delivery. An important lesson for anyone to be sure!

[@IIIISai]

tbf tho rick wasn't listening to shane anyways, can't be soft in thr apocalypse, shane shoulda made an ultimatum, he leaves or rick becomes tough

[@chungang7037]

@@IIIISai I think it was a missed opportunity for a spin off series, with Shane as lead

[@IIIISai]

@@chungang7037 i agree

[@rahamadlisadid4497]

@@chungang7037 it was an important plot for rick and carls arc

[@grum-eq4il]

bro sa'd lori are people just gonna forget that

[@regent2125]

Jon Bernthal (Shane) came to the set to watch the shooting of the finale but since he was too emotional he watched from the woods on the farm property.

[@IIIISai]

that's so sad

[@paulcarpenter7844]

How do you possibly know that

[@teddyrichard1488]

HE'S IN THE *WOOOOOOOOODS*

[@mariitz_]

@@paulcarpenter7844He said that

[@trizard3940]

​@@paulcarpenter7844john Bernthal says it in an interview

[@johnbadman3340]

This episode(s) always gives me chills, even 10 years later, Rick so upset at having to kill Shane but also angry at Shane for pushing him so far, and the fear of the first real herd in the dead of night

[@spoofy8867]

Let’s not forget too, earlier in the season Shane and Angela wanted to leave the farm and it was Lori who talked Shane into staying with the group. Shane also wanted Carl to learn how to use guns and Lori told him off because “it’s Rick’s call”, despite letting Shane teach him other stuff whilst Rick was always out doing jobs for the group. Just another 2 examples of Lori fucking with Shane’s head

[@IIIISai]

Lori was brain dead, my only issue with shane is he let this woman get into his head to the extent he put him and rick in a shootout, rick before the apocalypse told shane how dramatic lori was, lori when she was with shane surely argued all the time, in the first episode of the atlanta camp she argues with shane, i just didn't see what he saw in her

[@mattsmith3835]

Ikr she wasn't even attractive, played mind games with Rick HER HUSBAND, and Shane, pitting them against each other, wasn't a very good mother and loved stirring up drama. She was just the worst

[@hadessdlt8720]

Ah yes Angela, the best female character in the series

[@hadessdlt8720]

@@mattsmith3835 I mean you can dislike Lori but the actress isn't ugly at all, she's attractive imo

[@ThePalebloodMaiden]

@@hadessdlt8720 attractiveness is an opinion so that doesn't work as an argument tbh, i personally agree with matt on this, she ugly (i know you weren't arguing, that's just the way i decided to write the comment)

[@mo_town]

Also interesting to consider that Lori and Rick were struggling in their marriage pre-apocalypse and how the situation with Shane affected them even more

[@hadessdlt8720]

Lori wanted Rick to be with his family sometimes but he was always working, sure Lori didn't managed the situation at all but Rick should've dedicated a few hours to his family imo

[@joshdelagarza231]

Still one of my favorite episodes. I always liked season 2 and its a shame people were so negative about it back when it was it airing. They didn’t realize how good we had it before the show tanked from season 6 until the end.

[@gRinchY-op5vr]

Yep, I never understood the negative reactions...its flawed sure but season 2 was still part of TWDs 'prime' years. Season 6 and onwards really drags to the point I wonder how I'm only a few episodes in upon rewatches

[@desixox]

@@gRinchY-op5vrseason 6 was great lol

[@ashleykathleen85]

I still say Lori is the one who lit the fire that started that entire chain of events for this episode. Had she not had that last pointless convo with Shane which triggered him to put his plan in action they would’ve lasted at the farm a little longer. I stick by that until this day

[@brandonkelly4709]

I totally agree. A big mistake was telling Shane she was unsure who the baby’s father was basically unburying the hatchet of feeling he had for her. All coming back to the surface. She needed to let him go as much as he had to let her go imo.

[@tacticalidiots2340]

@@brandonkelly4709 Lori doesn't need to censor herself to protect Shane's toddler level of emotional intelligence. She had a serious conversation with him that was warranted. He reacted like a dumbass.

[@annehero7157]

Lori is literally the worst character on this show. She is worse than Skyler White, at least Skyler was useful.

[@emilyprovance7413]

He heard what he wanted to hear, he took what she actually said and changed it to fit what he wanted to do. I can't stand Lori but it's not fair to hold her responsible. She should have just not, but she tried to give him some closure.

[@LethalByChoice]

@@tacticalidiots2340 We can argue all day long about what's right and what isn't, but what's smart is what matters because that's what keeps you alive and well. "Lori doesn't need to censor herself to protect Shane's toddler level of emotional intelligence. She had a serious conversation with him that was warranted. He reacted like a dumbass." And guess what? Her lack of consideration for what might happen as a result of that conversation is what led to the events of E11 and E12. Those are consequences.

[@thatghostyboi9801]

Alot of people forget this but daryls not the only one who completely believes in rick, hershel does too. As his daughters and the others are complaining about rick hershel says that he trusts him completely, or something along those lines its been a lil while

[@dravenlee5524]

The final scene Shane and Lori share together is my number one favorite scene from the entire series. I love the score, the acting, the dialogue, the cinematography and that secluded breath of air from Shane as the scene ends is SO beautiful.

[@bishbosh4815]

The best finale imo, one of the best and most underrated episodes

[@Atomic181]

What I don't understand is how at the end of this episode, the prison is seen RIGHT next to the group. Yet somehow, they stay on the road for over half a year after this without finding it. I also find it interesting how it looks completely different to the prison in S3 / S4.

[@thethriftytypewriter]

I almost made a joke about how it must be a different prison 😂

[@Marlo-138]

You gotta understand that was a *tease* for the prison and what was to come. That wasn't the group's *actual* distance to the prison. And the prison was obviously CGI, so when they built the actual set, it was smaller and much different.

[@benjamintriplett3]

I remember hearing that it wasn't right there. It was further away from them but it was showing that it was in their immediate future, sort of a " Things to come" because alot of fans were complaining that they stayed on the farm too long and they were gonna skip the prison arch. So the writers were like " We didn't skip the prison arch its coming, hold your horses and STFU!"

[@notBrocker]

Wow you people are really stupid, if you watched season 3 you’d know that they’ve been going in circles for half a year going to the same places again and again, the prison was right there all along yes but they never noticed until they stumbled upon it

[@HA5HGrimes]

Shane was actually trying to distract Rick with the Carl situation so he could take matters into his own hands with Randall, but Rick saw right through it

[@trizard3940]

Well maybe but he did say "this Randell thing needs to wait" implying that he wants rick to wait and talk to his son. Rick then says "it's my call" thats when Shane offers to ride out with Daryl. So I don't think that was Shane's main thought process.

[@bmouch1018]

I subscribe to the theory that Shane *wanted* Rick to kill him. He was always on Rick about being tougher, about being more brutal to match the changing world around him, that he wasnt strong enough to preserve Carl and Lori through the apocalypse. So he gave Rick a chance, kill him, or be killed. He kept taunting him to try to push him into killing him so Rick would toughen up. There's a fully shot and edited alternative ending to the confrontation in Better Angels where Rick finds Shane's gun to be unloaded. We can see this is true because Rick turns into what Shane wanted him to be. If Shane popped up in S5, he'd be a God among the group.

[@jeanvillena9523]

I used to prefer this hypothesis but now I feel it doesn't make any sense with Shane's character. He was anything but the self-sacrificing type. In all honestly, it's safe to asume that Lori's earlier conversation with him that same day had triggered very reactive emotions in Shane, reminding him of how complete as a man he felt with Lori and Carl prior to Rick's return, and how Rick's presence change everything. Shane was unhinged in this last episode and wasn't really thinking straight; he really desired to remove Rick out of the equation but didn't fully come to terms with that desire until Lori's conversation.

[@bmouch1018]

@@jeanvillena9523 that's pretty solid but I don't think it was a self sacrifice, it was a suicide. He either removes Rick or Rick removes him

[@IIIISai]

@@bmouch1018 agreed, although i think it was out of character, shane vented to rick on how he ruined everything was good, but shane making a kill or be killed situation was forced, he literally wanted to leave in the beginning of the season, i think what shoulda happened was he went to the forest to vent and then fight rick, and knock some sense into him, but not death, and when the forest fire happens he and andrea escape together

[@MadFire5445]

man oh man if only frank was allowed to run the show in it’s entirety. Script and cinematography were on another level mannnnn

[@johnberg1348]

And with an unslashed budget throughout.

[@93BossRoss]

At 7 minutes, it's understandable that Beth was inside with Carol, as neither of them were hardened yet. Not a great choice but I think thematically it worked well

[@BrandonFlint-ro2ns]

It made perfect sense to me. Carol doesn't even know how to shoot a gun yet she doesn't learn how until season 3 and Beth is too emotional still.

[@bboyfan22]

I really like your point about Rick refusing to be questioned in his decision making. I never really thought about that aspect, there's a small portion of Rick that's also egotistical, and wants to be in charge and his arrogance won't allow him to be questioned. A good leader does need to be questioned, Shane however *challenged* his decision every step of the way and was a danger. But Rick does ultimately learn the difference and learns to be a better leader over time.

[@IIIISai]

thats why i hated season 2 rick, shane was more rational, and rick was stubborn and power tripped

[@carlosfreitas6434]

Rick end Shane had one of the best conflicts in TWD.

[@joshkutz3840]

i would argue negan. Now that being said i know it was really stupid that he lived and all even i was like wtf at it but the character change from the evil villain to what rick was and how he was back then. It was done beautifully in that aspect.

[@carlosfreitas6434]

@@joshkutz3840 for me shane because i think it was ,ore personal being his best friends end trying to steal his wife end son but negan also was personal because of gleen end abraham but the two are equaly great.

[@IIIISai]

@@joshkutz3840 i believe shanes conflict is better but negan is alright i guess

[@whe832kso10]

@@joshkutz3840 I don’t think it’s stupid that Negan lived. I know he killed Glenna and Abraham and everything, but he wasn’t a bad guy at his core. It was a beautiful character arc for Rick to have, to regain his mercy, and whilst they could’ve fleshed out Carl’s humanity a bit more before his death, it was all really good.

[@madog61]

I hope the theory that Lori was upset that Carl had to put down Shane is true rather than her being upset that Rick had to kill shame. She's had to have known for a while ever since Rick came back that Shane would eventually tell Rick that they fornicated especially after Shane went crazy at the CDC trying to assault Lori Lori always had to had that idea in the back of her head that Rick needs to kill Shane or Shayne needs to go at some point, so I really like to think that she was more horrified about the fact that Carl had to kill Walker. Shane making Carl's innocence go away because that would be way better writing than her all the sudden being upset that Shane had to go despite everything that Shane's done.

[@karengoldenthal2889]

Already Confirmed by Sarah Wayne Callies (Lori), who said Lori was Upset, worried that Carl (& Rick) would get Cold like Shane..Not a Theory. Happened. In Episode 208, Lori was already concerned about Carl getting Cold, tells Rick, "Carl...is getting Cold...He needs a Father, a Father like You, around."

[@karengoldenthal2889]

It was Lori, who Admitted to Rick in Episode 206, Secrets, that she was with Shane, Not Shane! Shane would Never have. In the Comics, Lori kept trying to tell Rick, but he didn't want to hear it..Lori wasn't keeping it a secret... Shane was Unhinged... Lori gets the Fan blame, but Shane was Unstable... This Reviewer missed some of that . He clearly missed it was about Carl Putting Down Walker Shane, Not about Shane

[@ekalorschmekalor2885]

@@karengoldenthal2889so people that believe Lori “led Shane on” and hated on her are delusional weirdos. Not surprised considering some of their talking points

[@houstonmunoz9862]

Dude, you're the reason I decided to finish this show some top-notch quality videos you make! It's always a joy to see a new one

[@merlin8046]

What caught my attention is that when Rick was telling Lori about Shane, she did start to look disturbed about it but backed off when she heard that Carl had to put him down

[@bboyfan22]

​@@DaChristianYuteLori was also naive and a little stupid. She didn't have good reasoning skills and is an overly emotional character, it's a huge flaw in her personality but it is consistent. She may have been pushing Rick to do what he did, but in truth, she didn't understand the severity of that. When it actually came to pass, she wanted to distance herself from her role and blame it all on Rick

[@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon]

@@DaChristianYute it wasn’t Rick’s fault that Carl had to put Shane down at all, but I think that Lori was just super upset that her kid had to lose his innocence like that. She was overprotective with Carl… She didn’t want him to pair with Rick and Shane to look for Sophia, and he got shot. She was unsure about him handling a gun/learning to shoot, and had to be talked into it. If you go back and watch that part where Rick tells her what happened with Walker Shane, she is stunned at finding out Shane had led Rick out into the field to kill him. Then you can see that shock melt away into grief, and then guilt. She only gets angry when Rick says Carl had to put him down after he reanimated. Also, if Rick had just TOLD EVERYONE that people are going to come back after they die, Carl would have better understood what was going to happen to someone who just died. Instead, he finds out in the worst way- seeing Shane get up and come after his dad. Her baby wasn’t a baby anymore. That had to be traumatizing for Carl to have to do that. She should’ve communicated why she was upset, and Rick should’ve given her some time and space to process that feeling.

[@karengoldenthal2889]

It was About Carl Putting Down Walker Shane, that you see Lori get Upset. Not before.

[@karengoldenthal2889]

​Perfectly said, Carl was losing his Innocence.

[@g-zo3595]

Your videos are so awesome. Farm era is slept on!

[@wholesometownofficial7255]

great video, the only thing I really disagree with is that Lori turned them against each other because she was ‘leading’ Shane on. She made it clear from season 1 that she didn’t want to be with him multiple times, so thanking him for saving her life 100% wasn’t a sign that she wanted to get back together with him. I think it’s cool how Shane’s face changes, bc he takes it as that, but ultimately it wasn’t her fault

[@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon]

Agreed… not her fault how he took that. I said it before and I’ll say it again: Shane only heard what he WANTED to hear.

[@wholesometownofficial7255]

@@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon YES

[@IIIISai]

you guys are tripping, Alright here's how she played shane, again i do agree shane shoulda grew some balls and said screw lori, which he did at the beginning of season 2 when he was about to leave, but lori told him to stay not once but twice, knowing his strong feelings, so thats on her, anyways skip the usless filler theres a scene where shane says hes a better love interest than rick for lori, lori then after this manipluates rick to want to kill shane and says shane is a danger, then on the episode shane dies, lori apologizes to shane and basically retriggers his feelings, the same feelings she used to make rick want to kill shane, so when she triggered shanes love again, and ricks anger, they clashed and rick wanted to kill shane because he was "trying", to take over, the leadership for ghr group and the love stuff put those two dudes at odds, im not blaming lori for shanes Strong feelings, but rather how lori knew how shane was unstable and was playing with him, she also didn't tell shane till the last minute that the baby might have been his, and she told rick the baby is his, that's why rick got even more defensive about his family, and that's why shane felt more conflicted, Lori wasn't the smartest person but she did manipluate rick and shane to want to kill eachother, can't have two alphas at odds and in an apocalyptic world it's even worse, i was happy rick was cold to her in season 3, it's easy to feel bad for lori but she had a black heart

[@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon]

@@IIIISai Nah, we aren't tripping... Just hear me out. Yes. Lori told Shane to stay twice. The 1st time was S2 E3, IMMEDIATELY after Hershel saved Carl, thanks to Shane retrieving the medical supplies. After Hershel and Rick go to tell Patricia about Otis, Lori turns to Shane and gives a quick nod of appreciation. When Lori is at Carl's bedside, Shane comes in. He just gives her this pleading look like, "Do I still have to go? Can't I stay now?", which makes Lori feel obligated to say yes. In the next episode, Shane asks Lori for the 2nd time, saying, "Did you mean it when you told me to stay?". He asked her because he KNEW he's asked her that at the most vulnerable time he possibly could have. Shane had heard Carl was awake, and she says, yes and that he will make it. You NEVER see him go back in that room to check in on Carl again (after he returns with the supplies), so the ONLY REASON he went in there at that exact moment was to ask her to let him stay. That was the main thing he was worried about. This makes me seriously question his motives when he volunteered to go to the High school. Yes, he would do whatever he could to save Carl's life. It's obvious that he cares for him very much, but it feels like he KNEW Lori would feel indebted to him, and that is incredibly manipulative!! Go back and watch her facial expressions when he asked her if she meant it. She is caught between a rock and a hard place... what else could she say to that?? Pressuring her like that was a pretty rotten thing to do, if you ask me. Look, Lori was a poorly written character at times, to be sure. You can see it multiple times throughout her run on the show. No argument from me there. Still... that doesn't negate the fact that Shane was a dick. He always did whatever he wanted, no matter what everyone else thought, and did not care if there were consequences. The ONLY time I saw Shane do something completely selfless was when he saw Carol stumble out of the bush after she lost Sophia. He helped her clean up, and I swear it made me wonder what he was up to, lol. Rick seemed more like a Beta in S1 and S2 to me, even though everyone else saw him as the Alpha. Even Daryl said to Dale that when it comes down to it, Rick ultimately looks to Shane. Lori only tells Rick that Shane is a danger after Dale tells her what happened to Otis. TBH, Dale really should have told Rick that Shane had him in his crosshairs back in S1. Everyone can see Shane spiraling. In S2 E9, Shane tells Lori that the two of them were "a long time coming". This shows me that Shane had had his eye on Lori LONG before Rick's accident or the start of the apocalypse. God, he was manipulative in so many ways! She then tells Rick that Shane is delusional, as he truly believes they should've been together a long time ago. Also, Shane KNEW there was a chance that Rick didn't die when the machines he was hooked up to at the hospital lost power, otherwise why would he have put that hospital bed up as a barricade in front of the door to Rick's room? He never told Lori, nor did he ever try to go check on the man who was his partner, best friend, and like a brother to him! Lori is right when she says he is delusional. He is becoming more deranged by the day. Shane steadfastly believes something that is NOT TRUE, except in his own mind. This is what makes her warn Rick about him. It's that, plus the totality of everything (minus the issues she is unaware of, ie: Dale's concerning run-ins with Shane) that scares her. She knows he killed Otis and left him behind so he could get back to her and Carl. He says he loves her and that they are supposed to be together... and this puts her husband at risk!! When Rick hears this, he realizes she is right, as that is EXACTLY why he himself killed the two guys at the bar- so he could get back to his family. He says, "It was gonna be me [that lives] and not them, no matter what". She clarified the he killed the living to protect what is his, and that Shane thinks they are HIS. He thinks Rick cannot protect them and is going to get them killed. She is NOT wrong when she says he is dangerous and won't stop. They know him well and are aware that he will do whatever he wants and is unconcerned about the consequences... as I said earlier. In S2 E10, when Rick pulls the car over to talk to Shane, he admits to Rick that he killed Otis. When he hears him say that it had to be him who survived and Otis that died, Rick knows without a doubt that Shane will see it the same way with him. When Rick says it took everything in him not to beat the shit out of Shane when he realized he'd slept with Lori, Shane sees how mentally strong Rick is (compared to himself), he knows they will end up fighting, and that Rick won't go down easily. He hears his say that he will stay alive in order to keep his family alive, and Shane realizes he will have to try to kill him. Shane then sees that lone walker in the field. I think he knows that if he doesn't change course, he will end up just like that... and SURPRISE!! Shane becomes a lone walker in a field at the end of it all. When they arrive at their destination, Shane does confess that he doesn't think Rick can keep them safe, just like Lori said. Then, when he realizes Daryl has now become Rick's right hand man, he sinks even deeper. Yes, Lori inadvertently opens a can of worms when she goes to talk to Shane by the windmill, but here's the bigger picture: she goes to APOLOGIZE to him for her part. She says she is sorry for putting the two of them at odds, unnecessarily complicating things. I think she thought he and Rick had let things go and were starting fresh, as that can happen sometimes after guys fistfight. She is empathetic with him, saying she knows how hard it must be for him that he might be the biological father, but that the baby can never be his. She also thanks him from the bottom of her heart for protecting her and Carl, and for being there for her. She genuinely apologizes for things getting confused between the two of them (for him AND for her), but at NO POINT has she EVER let him think there could ever be anything between them again, and that she is committed to Rick. Her coming to him to thank him and to apologize for the bad times IN NO WAY means she wants him back. I do not understand why someone would think it does. To me, it seems like the entire group, minus Shane, wants to move forward and get along. She was being the bigger person by going to him in order to clear the air. It is NOT her fault that he assumed there could be something still there. Shane just heard what he desperately wanted to hear. When someone assumes and doesn't communicate to be clear, it makes it incredible difficult to have a conversation in the future. It is immensely frustrating and does nothing to help the situation, and it may make that person feel unable to approach them again. Shane wasn't wrong about everything. He was spot on about stopping the search for Sophia after coming to the conclusion that she was probably already dead by then, about what to do with Randall, about the walkers in the barn, and about Rick being more concerned about the hostage than with his own son. He is simply too aggressive and refuses to listen to others' viewpoints... then he goes and does what he wants anyway. He is headstrong, and is NOT a team player. Add all these issues up, and take into consideration that he is becoming increasingly unhinged, and you've got a BIG problem!!

[@kremesauce]

@@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmonI still can’t get over her saying she didn’t know who the father of the baby was

[@stealthygaming4919]

"And here he proablly gives the best Rick Grimes speech of all time." S5 rick in Alexandria: "Allow me to intorduce myself"

[@thethriftytypewriter]

Fair

[@alesundgresiek8389]

I'm still amazed that the second last episode of this season isn't rated higher. That scene when the camera pans and reveals a horde approaching them gives me goosebumps every time I think about it.

[@HomelanderHL2]

This finale got me goosebumps all the time. It's phased perfectly, from Rick relying on Carl what it takes to survive and people doing their own ways to get out of the farm and get's reunited on the road. The Moment Rick says that they're all are infected is one of the most unique twist I've seen on a Zombie Virus concept. This Finale is hella underrated and got overshadowed by the "Better Angels" episode.

[@workinprogress3329]

I don’t see what Lori said to Shane as intending to play Shane against Rick. Lori apologized out of guilt and Shane took what she said as a sign to get rid of Shane. I also never felt Shane ever loved Lori but was infatuated or fixated on her and Carl during a traumatic point in his life AKA when the world fell apart.

[@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon]

Exactly how I saw that, too. Shane only heard what he WANTED TO HEAR…

[@workinprogress3329]

@@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon he had already tried to kill Shane once before they even had that conversation too.

[@IIIISai]

thats a nice way of looking at it, he didn't love her but shes the last good thing he had after the apocalypse, his purpose, he did tell rick that but rick clearly wasn't listening enough to have a proper talk to shane, anyways i believe lori was playing shane, i think she was crying because she was sorry that he was gonna die, because before the scene and episode she talks to shane, she manipluates rick to want to kill shane, when rick killed those men in the bar, Lori literally uses those sentences but puts shane in the equation and makes rick want to kill shane, if she was apologizing genuinely and not because she wanted shane to die, why didn't she just bring rick and shane together and have a three way conversation, why didn't she tell rick to call off his villian view of shane, rick only didn't listen to shanes leadership eyes because lori told him not to, indirectly, or directly, rick was blindly listening to lori, and that's slowly made him against shanez anyways as for your comment yea she didn't care about shanes future, just wanted closure before he died, i think so atleast, they didn't explore lori enough

[@JohnnyDominion]

Shane and Lori had a very toxic relationship. Andrea would've been a better fit for him but he is so obessed wuth Lori to notice her glaring flaws.

[@joshuacampbell289]

We also have to remember that Shane kept everybody safe from the beginning and Rick was the “new guy” who showed up and things started going wrong…..in a way

[@billross9132]

rule number one: if as soon as the protagnost comes into ur life, run, the plot is about to happen

[@karengoldenthal2889]

Not really. People forget that when Glenn, Andrea, T-Dog etc. Were Stuck in Atlanta, Shane didn't care. Told Amy basically it is what is...6 People Gone & it's OK. Remember, it was Rick that Got them out of Atlanta!

[@sisicjanwjkrgk]

shane kept everyone on a hill in the middle of nowhere, they were never gonna survive with him in charge he would’ve left the group to die one by one in the city

[@IIIISai]

@@sisicjanwjkrgk 💀💀💀

[@karengoldenthal2889]

@@sisicjanwjkrgk, Exactly 💯!

[@iamcasihart]

I wish that Sarah Wayne Callies hadn’t been written so shitty in S2. She’s a great actress, and a loyal, genuine woman who has spoken openly about the bullshit female actors endure. Thrifty, if you see this comment, I implore you (or anyone) to read the Op-ed Sarah wrote discussing how actresses are often labeled as “difficult to work with,” when they are simply advocating for treatment equal to their male counterparts. I also enjoyed her interview with Jon on his podcast. Her loyalty to Frank Darrabont is admirable and beautiful. No one will ever convince me that S2 Lori wasn’t written to be hated because of that loyalty to Frank and her strength of character. Once again, another entertaining, enjoyable, relaxing video from you, Sir Thrifty. Thank you! 🙌

[@enderchippy]

Season 2 was just amazing. All the stuff with Shane was great and this was one of the first episodes where Rick truly started to change. Love the work and still hoping for Nebraska!

[@j7sportvideo24]

I’ve rewatched this series 3 times already yet I always notice something new. I love these videos because of nostalgia but also because it makes me look at things differently and truly dig deep into how amazing these episodes are.

[@margaretfiester3689]

Me too. I must have watched some of the episodes 10 times and I still love them.

[@ryanelliott71698]

I viewed Lori’s reaction is due to her being disturbed how just cold Rick reacts to Shane’s death

[@IIIISai]

but she wanted shane to die, also she only reacted when rick said carl shot him, she didn't care that shane died

[@HomelanderHL2]

Ah yes the episode that featured the most powerful weapon on the show: Hershel's Unlimited Ammo Shotgun.

[@ConnorWiederich-hr4zu]

I'd say Beside The Dying Fire is my probably overall favorite season finale in the show, followed by Last Day On Earth, The First Day of the Rest of Your Life, Conquered, and A (haven't watched season 11 yet nor did I see the season 6 finale until 2-3 months before the season 7 premiere aired on tv). Between the group losing the farm from the zombie attack, Rick revealing everyone is infected, everyone mistrusting Rick and being unsure what to do next, Rick's speech followed by the prison reveal, and Michonne's first appearance this episode had a lot packed into it and really left the audience on cliffhanger for the next season. This episode feels like Too Far Gone when the group loses the prison while in this episode the group loses the farm. I do wish Otis's wife Patricia and Beth's boyfriend Jimmy were mourned more in the next season cause we knew about them the least out of the farm group and they're just forgotten after this episode. I also remember being frustrated with Carl and Lori being upset with Rick killing Shane, though I heard Lori was more shocked with Carl shooting zombie Shane, and with Carol telling Rick to do something when he has a lot on mind already and she expects him to have the answer.

[@elisestormo1604]

Shane is the prime example of men mistaking women being nice to them as flirting.Lori was expressing gratuitue not trying to flirt or come onto him.

[@DM-Oz]

Right? I mean, i was rewatching season 2, and yeah, Lori can be frustrating to watch sometimes but people try to pin too much blame on her, like she is some kind of diabolical figure trying to put them against each other, but really she is just try to do what she thinks is right and screws up in the process. Is a easy for us as viewers to judge because we have more info than the characters do.

[@qmighty54]

This is my favourite episode of the show. The desperation of the whole thing feels so visceral. The first time I saw it I couldn't stop crying for the whole thing. Great ep.

[@Cutekuramon]

I havent watched the walking dead since around season 4 and have been curious about the franchise again with the new stuff coming out. The farm arc was amazing with its character studies and the infected twist was amazing. With the main series being over it gives us the ability to have a retrospective on everything that has happened and you've been doing a great job with these videos!

[@GOTTA_RUN]

Nice that you're watching the show again. You're getting close to the best season from the show

[@dadtube2534]

What I love in better angles is Shanes last conversation with Carl, in this conversation Shane tells Carl to stop doing dangerous stuff that'll get himself killed... Carl should have listened 😅

[@JohnnyDominion]

Yeah Carl had a huge listening problem

[@_Devil]

I really miss Shane. For the first real villain of the show, he was a great start to what was to come. I wish TWD would do some Anthology episodes like the Marvel What If's, and have on episode be about if Rick was able to talk Shane down, or if Shane exiled himself from the group and ended up becoming Negan in Season 6 haha

[@Marlo-138]

I always have and always will stand by the fact Shane and Andrea had some real good chemistry, and they had bonded a lot in this season. Shane trained and, they hooked up, etc.. But my *favorite* scene of them together was outside the church when Andrea confronted Shane about them being the "odd men out," and they should leave together and abandon the group. The show *should* have done this, in my opinion. Yes, it was only the second season and it would have been a major deviation from the comics, but it would have been a smart and confident move for the show to start its first real spin-off. Just imagine if Shane and Andrea had their own 6 episode mini series that showed their relationship growing and whatnot. And even better, explained what they had been doing throughout the apocalypse. Imagine if Shane and Andrea showed back up in the season 6 finale as Saviors, but their series explained how they became Saviors. And all throughout seasons 7 and 8, Shane and Andrea were conflicted by seeing their old friends. They could have been Rick's "inside men" within the Saviors. Ah, what could have been.

[@chrisbeach423]

Better Angels and Beside the Dying fire are the best back to back episodes in the whole show. I always go back and just watch these 2 episodes when im bored lol

[@DourFlower]

I adore this episode and personally think it has the single best title for any episode in the entire series. I absolutely love it. Beside the Dying Fire has truly one of the defining moments in the show

[@tomfrakking9426]

Damn I love your channel. The growth will only accelerate

[@jideofor26]

In my top 5 episodes. One of the best finales of the series and then S3 begins with Seed.....genius!!! 😊 Looking forward to this!!

[@ThePercussionRealm]

This is one of my favorite eps in the whole show. 2B is awesome all the way through. I'm glad you took a break from season 6 to do this one. I also like how you combined it with Better Angels. They really do stand together as one long finale. Similar to the last two of season 5. With this approach, I think it would be cool to do a video about the 2 Governor standalone eps in season 4. Live Bait and Dead Weight. I think that would be a great analysis. The Governor is trying to turn over a new leaf just as RIck is. They parallel each other in many ways. I think you would do a great job analyzing these 2 eps. I'm also looking forward to Here is Not Here. Still also would love a video on the season4 premiere. I know that isn't a popular one but I think you could do a great video with the them of how the ep showed the first glimpse of civilazation restarting. Or some kind of preview to Alexandria. Keep up the good work!!

[@multifantv1245]

Awesome thumbnail and awesome review!! You should cover the premiere of season 3 it’s my favorite premiere of the series!!

[@thethriftytypewriter]

I’ll add it to the list

[@katty5003]

The reaction that Lori had when Rick told her the truth of what happened at the farm, was maddening, confusing & the reason that Rick pulled back. All she had to do was hug him & say “it’s ok” but she seemed angry that he killed Shane.

[@joeyartone9378]

I've been watching and loving all your videos recently. Getting excited for February 25

[@buddyraw9778]

Great show once again bro!!! That outro be having me grooving my ass off lol

[@phantomproductions7597]

Even the show has run it's course I love that you keep the spirit alive that's why I subscribed

[@mirzaali529]

The effort you put in your videos is amazing 👍🔥

[@JohnDoe-qk8ue]

Hershel was probably using cut shells, as he shot 17 of them. His shotgun most likely had a 8 round capacity, so it makes sense that he would be using mini shells ( 16 in tube, one in chamber ), but I can't remember if we see him load it or not, so I could be wrong.

[@danielromano5919]

Near 300 like in less than an hour?! I’m happy for you bro, love these videos

[@Loha2005]

"Rick was never gonna become the leader he needed to be if Shane was still around" you SO right! I never really looked at it that way.

[@TomatoSauc3]

Completely random, but I just found your channel last night and I love your content dude. Btw I love the Dead of the Night music for the intro

[@gouinp4669]

Nice video ! I always wondered (every since I was born) how you find all this beautiful shots from every episodes you talking about, seriously I need these wallpapers for cross sake

[@Father_Daniel]

The two final episodes of season2 are god tier Walking Dead in my book. I love season 2, this was a great break down!

[@Unhiptiger5207]

Sick from work today and finally had time to watch this. These walking dead videos are so fucking cool and very well done. Couldn’t say it better myself keep it up🔥

[@ax3crafter592]

the new intro looks cool. keep up the great work

[@shaagiisshabby7245]

I feel like "Arrow on the Doorpost" from season 3 would be a great episode to cover. The dialogue between Rick and the Governor in that episode is some of the best in the show. Also the parallels/interactions between Daryl/Caesar and Hershel/Milton who are similar people fighting on different sides.

[@user-to2yp7uf3e]

love the twd content, keep it comin brother

[@spacerex55]

i commented on your poll the other day that i thought this episode was overrated a bit, but you definitely brought it back up for me considering everything you mentioned i didn’t pickup on prior. s2 lowkey is a masterpiece esp 2b

[@kevinrodiano23]

Loving the new intro 🔥

[@desixox]

Shane was the quickest turn ever lmao

[@The-real-negan]

This episode was absolutely perfection

[@DedValve]

I honestly gave up on two after being such a huge fan watching up to 5 seasons and 2 comic compendiums but these videos have helped remind me that while there are low lows, there are some remarkably high highs in this roller coaster of a lovable mess.

[@jerrym1218]

This was my favorite season and had my favorite season finale as in it as well.

[@AGC479]

To continue off of what you said about the group having a wake up call about the apocalypse, consider what wouldve happened when the governor eventually found them. If him or Merle were out searching it was only a matter of time before they found the farm and they wouldnt have survived the governor.

[@h3ticgam3r303]

great vid i love rick speech and the start of a great bromance probs the best

[@akihikosanada2020]

These are two of, if not my absolute favorite episodes in the series. Shane is my favorite character in the TV show and season 2 is my absolute favorite season so this was a perfect episode for me.

[@jordanwhite352]

Fun fact about to show down with Rick and Shane. Apparently in the original screenplay the twist in the beginning of the season finale was that when Rick checked Shane's gun it had no bullets in it showing that. Shane never intended to kill or shoot Rick despite his antagonizing and provocation which added like another layer to the scene, but they had a hard time working out the logistics of it and the pacing so they cut that.

[@johncap6495]

One more thing I mentioned CRM. The episode Nebraska in this season after the barn. Hershel went to the bar. The two guys from from Randall’s group not only were from Philadelphia(my hometown and CRMs) but they told Rick that survivors went to Nebraska and the islands. Padre is the island possibly coming in Fear and World Beyond was set in Nebraska. I wonder if when Rick hears the alliance of the three if he will remember those guys. It always stuck out to me and I wonder could Randals group possibly be like Jadas group. Did they trade with CRM or maybe they were under covers like Huck was.

[@benjaminp.1050]

I would like a video of CDC episode someday. There's a lot of mystery in that episode

[@NixxDoesStuff]

I think Rick in the episode(s) you covered did think about his family but as things got clear to him he started to grasp that no one is safe with Shane, and like in the comics I think some parts are exactly of Rick just trying to protect his family and everyone else happens to follow and mostly live and make it, you definitely see that in earlier seasons but it becomes more so that everyone within that group is family because of their bond which the prision imo solidifies all their bonds for the rest of the show :)

[@rikastemmet8849]

Awesome video good Job I in joy it thanks for the video I Love it have a good day and Night ❤👌👍

[@lure4832]

I didn’t even think about the helicopter holding the walkers all these years later…thought it was just a glimmer of hope for Rick……thanks dude ❤

[@seanhastings4432]

Lord, I just watched this last night. Interesting timing.

[@thethriftytypewriter]

I’ve been watching you Sean

[@deergutter8241]

I remember when I was younger and I rewatched this episode I decided to count how many blasts Hershel shot before reloading, I can’t remember the exact number but it was in the 60’s XD

[@GabeTheGreat5]

"Better Angels" was probably the episode that started to peak my interest in the show, especially with the events that happed afterwards in "Besides The Dying Fire." While I'm sad Shane didn't stay longer, it's interesting to think about elements of him did carry on but in Rick instead. Would have been cool to see how Shane would have worked with Rick during seasons 4 and 5 especially.

[@siobhanair2659]

This was so good 🥰

[@dontawashington7670]

Love the new intro

[@andrewpadron1125]

Love the intro keep it up

[@ZombieKiller2019]

Ahhh the Ricktatership! Love that era of the show!

[@losertrap1031]

Moral of season 1 and 2, just marry your best homie instead. Great video btw love these analyzes of episodes I saw way back then.

[@mariobertrand6305]

Dammmn! Watching your analyses episodes reminds me how AWESOME TWD was in it’s early days.

[@dragonsgreedgaming3500]

Been slowly rewatching TWD, and just finished season 2 last week. Great stuff, love listening to your vids. Dale's death was Carl's fault! Never forget! Keep up the great content!

[@madmonty4761]

Carl was also like 8

[@suerwater1625]

We love twd content. Keep it up!

[@360sickness]

How have I only just subscribed, silly man

[@thethriftytypewriter]

Silly indeed

[@360sickness]

@@thethriftytypewriter my apologies Mr thrifty 🙏 would you ever consider doing any videos on doctor who? Would love to hear your take on that universe in the style of videos you do, that's if you're a fan of the show of course lol.

[@Loha2005]

I 100% agree with this video. Shane was NEVER gonna submit to Rick the Rick needed it to become the leader. People always like to make the argument that they would have been like two brother leaders side by side but in my opinion Shane would have always been in competition. This is what Rick needed to become the leader he became. And even tho Shane was right about so,e things that taught Rick aswell, he was wrong about ALOT. Shane needed to be put down eventually.

[@kevinfox500]

Can't think of a single episode where JB wasn't an absolute treasure as Shane. Wonderful actor, and a decent, approachable person. Wife and I met him in Georgia, while there for a friend's wedding. Took our used Glocks to the factory there, and dropped them off for servicing, while we took the tour of the factory. Berenthal was there, learning more aboit the handgun line, as research for his role as Shane, and for another upcoming role. Sat and talked a few minutes over coffee. Very mellow, down to earth man.

[@ZekDrake]

Besides the dying fire still stands as my favorite episode of the walking dead as a whole

[@scarlettgoodacre2673]

I would love to see a breakdown of the Grove!!

[@THEDOYLER]

eating curry and drinking coke watching this banger of a video always love the long analysis's

[@johncap6495]

Great video as always. Man it was hard I loved Shane’s character. All these years later and for little time he was there he is right up the with Rick, Darryl and Neagan. Lori it’s all her fault. She should let Shane go. But she says I don’t know who’s baby it is making Shane think she might want him be the father. If only Shane left and returned as a member of CRM.

[@IIIISai]

exactly, i do think it was out of character tho, realistically at that point shane had enough of everything, i think he would be sad but say it is what it is, he shoulda left with andrea

[@j7sportvideo24]

I love these episodes ❤️

[@BenRai2k]

Still the best finale to me. One of the top episodes, too.

[@ThePercussionRealm]

Random question. I notice you have a filter (old video or something) on the video clips of the show. Is that to avoid a copyright strike? I'm asking because I was wanting to make a music video using some clips and am trying to figure out how to not get a copyright strike. I understand Fair Use covers some things but that is a bit murky at times. If you alter footage, does that keep you from getting a strike?