Lol Aura double four stocked my friend in pools at BOBC4, who usually crushes me and I genuinely think is quite good at the game. Can win locals. So yeah, there are levels to this.
@omereissa5435 Жыл бұрын
You
@TriopsTrilobite Жыл бұрын
I remember mang0 saying that the best part about new people trying melee for the first time, is them realizing how cracked our top players are
@CreamyPesto505 Жыл бұрын
@@TriopsTrilobite I'm bronze tier trash and the best player of anyone I know. I love fucking someone up and them being stunned, then I show them Big House 9 Grand Finals highlights.
@KelpyG. Жыл бұрын
@@TriopsTrilobite i mean for it being a 20+ year old game I expect the top players to be pros
@suned3128 Жыл бұрын
@@KelpyG. Calling the top players pros is an understatement. Being top 100 definitely makes you a pro, but as you saw in the video the gap between top 10 and top 50 is still quite massive.
@oneunfunnyguy612 Жыл бұрын
Someone in the crowd at Genesis 9 yelled, "This is a multiplayer game!"
@plasticbudgie Жыл бұрын
The fact Amsa is second as Yoshi absoloutely shows how big of a gap there is between everyone and Amsa.
@t3rcx Жыл бұрын
Melee skill gap is more or less the same as any competitive sport (which is to say, incredibly huge). Like there's you, the kid in middle school who was better at basketball than you, the kid on that kid's high school team who dunked on everyone, the kid on the college team who started ahead of that kid, the kid at the rival college team who got NBA scouted, the NBA starters on that guy's team, and the NBA starters on a better team, and then Steph and Lebron.
@IHarleyWin Жыл бұрын
To quote the great Scalabrine, "I'm closer to lebron than you are to me."
@fuegoredlego Жыл бұрын
This is a great point. I want to add that a part of the skill gap in popular sports is also an athlete’s ability to make use of physical traits that the “average person” might not be able to compete with. Melee’s skill gap can feel comical at times because the gap can be seen clearly in the game, but there are very few external traits we can use to guess who might have an advantage. The taller basketball player won’t necessarily be better but I certainly have more hope for a 6”5’ hooper than a 5”6’ one 😅
@YemiAjayi_ Жыл бұрын
i never thought about it like that
@twig7219 Жыл бұрын
Chess is another good sport because Elo rankings exist to give a very transparent view of how good players are. Every 100 elo pt difference indicates about a 65-35 matchup. If you put a beginner player at about 1000 elo (could be lower depending on what you define as "beginner"), the best player in the world is over 2800, meaning that there are 18 tiers in between a beginner and the best player in the world.
@0oShwavyo0 Жыл бұрын
@@twig7219 that is the case for any game with an ELO system as it’s just a mathematical system for ranking, not chess specific. Your point stands, just saying that there are many games where you can observe a large skill gap between top competitive players and average players by looking at the ELO distribution. I play AOE2 and sit at around 1k ELO with the top players having just cracked 2800, so it’s the same boat for me with like a 0.1% chance of taking a game off one of the top players.
@bobramage7993 Жыл бұрын
keep up the shorts homie they help new people find out about the scene
@archangel8444 Жыл бұрын
For real
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
Why does that matter? They would get washed for years and years and years before they feel even half decent at the game.
@Meechell Жыл бұрын
@@debeb5148 bro I get your salty and keep getting destroyed in unranked but that’s irrelevant here
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
@@Meechell Honestly, I am probably better than you. Dunning Kruger goes both ways. You think I suck? You must be EVEN worse
@Meechell3 ай бұрын
@@debeb5148 maybe you are but that doesn't mean the scene should never get new players. the game would die out. be more positive
@CreamyPesto505 Жыл бұрын
What's wild is that Aura would body like 85% of the player base, if not more. The top is the top for a reason.
@codetaku Жыл бұрын
the playerbase at large? way way more than that. Aura vs #100 should win 9 out of 10 games, and Melee has over 10 thousand of active players across just this country (only like 2 thousand or so can attend multiple majors per year but way more play on slippi at all). So if you assume he bodies roughly everyone below rank 100, you can safely say he bodies 99% of the playerbase ... but then Zain bodies 99.9%
@TheDragDavid Жыл бұрын
Crazy number hahah, he is literally ranked 46 in the entire world
@CreamyPesto505 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I just used a random high number, figured I was undershooting, but meh. The point still got across.
@alex-sm2iw Жыл бұрын
If you do the maths on that it would make the melee player base approx ~307 people lmao
@austinrobinson8130 Жыл бұрын
85% gotta be the worst estimate I’ve seen on youtube
@odd_potion Жыл бұрын
The levels in melee are insane. That guy who 4 stocks you with ease? He's getting 4 stocked by some other dude. And on and on and on and on and no matter how good you get you will never be immune from getting bodied by someone.
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
That's why it a waste of time to even try lmfao
@supwititproductionz3738 Жыл бұрын
@@debeb5148 Can say the same about any pursuit, but then you'll never end up doing anything. Comparison is the thief of joy.
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
@@supwititproductionz3738 That's exactly my point actually, you're invalid in anything you do
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
@@supwititproductionz3738 Comparison is a tool of success and a weapon to beat the weak with. Welcome to earth, you're worthless and someone is always better, richer, more powerful, more important, more influential, more remembered, and even more hated. Your existence and mine is completely inconsequential to any event that happens on earth
@supwititproductionz3738 Жыл бұрын
@@debeb5148 you felt the need to make 2 comments, 10 hours apart. rent free
@kevinguimond7711 Жыл бұрын
And then every non top 100 player would get washed by Aura
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
And the tiers keep going down from there lol
@TheQueensAce719 Жыл бұрын
Zain's Marth's movement is so graceful. It's the little things like this that keep the Melee community alive.
@ThevenimX Жыл бұрын
Last time something like this happen was when #6 Hax played Mang0 then got “walk up down smashed” on Mang0’s two off characters
@ADavidJohnson Жыл бұрын
That was what made “the Five Gods (+Leffen) era” so different and honestly less exciting than now. The drop off was so immediate and huge then, whereas now, the gap is probably equivalent to top 5 vs people outside the top 30.
@dubzndrugs Жыл бұрын
Ppmd vs hax would be a much better example
@cubicalprobably Жыл бұрын
That was years ago, things like this happen often. Zuppy vs Zain at Collision this year is another example.
@mimixis Жыл бұрын
and then there is mango placing top 90
@leonblum816 Жыл бұрын
With Dr Mario
@Pingponglu42069 Жыл бұрын
Yeet
@BlueGrovyle Жыл бұрын
You mean top 100. He got 97th.
@CoDMunichTV Жыл бұрын
its not like he has to prove something
@orb3796 Жыл бұрын
@@CoDMunichTV He kinda does considering he spends more time claiming he's the goat than he does actually winning tournaments
@dwax8329 Жыл бұрын
yo shoutouts aura though lol, WA resident and he wipes the floor with me without putting in any energy
@adambarker1626 Жыл бұрын
West Africa has a smash scene?
@dwax8329 Жыл бұрын
@@adambarker1626 WA state, not W.A. lol
@frogturtle Жыл бұрын
It’s funny because the 46th ranked player in this game is still an absolute uncaged monstrosity against most players on earth including tournament players lol
@Goodbylekyle Жыл бұрын
I mean it was auras secondary shiek, but still zain is cracked
@mustachewalrus Жыл бұрын
Now show the clip where his butt gets beat by Wally cleanly in a 2-0 at last Genesis
@Boredalec777 Жыл бұрын
zain not having a shiek problem
@mL-79925 ай бұрын
This shows how volatile is a game like melee, Squid ranked number 91 take Jmook number 3 to game 5 and almost won in this Genesis X, this just show that to be so good and dominant between games takes a lot of discipline and understanding of the game
@Rspknlikeab0ssxd Жыл бұрын
That movement at the end is clean
@daviguilherme128717 күн бұрын
First there was 5 gods in melee Now theres a whole pantheon
@bailujen8052 Жыл бұрын
The Australian Fox player used to be ranked 101 but jumped to rank 15
@ChemSSBM Жыл бұрын
Aura’s sheik is new lol
@KieraQ032327 күн бұрын
Zain dogged on Aura’s Peach too in the same set, when Aura gave up going Sheik.
@k1kk0ssbm13 Жыл бұрын
I've seen sets of leffen and armada 4 stocking each other back and forth. The gap is alot closer than u think, even if the stocks don't represent it
@Yokai_Yuri11 ай бұрын
Meanwhile in Ultimate: A top 60 can kick your ass if you don't play 100%.
@noahmay7708 Жыл бұрын
Zain fumbles combo, opponent fails to punish so he up-b's. "how does he see it so differently?"
@-shi.v- Жыл бұрын
i remember watching this live. it blew me away
@CC_-pn2og Жыл бұрын
I am glad franz is ranked so high now
@Shaeffen_ Жыл бұрын
Zain vs Wally SSC 2022
@rucksack_kh Жыл бұрын
Poor Aura, sets like these ruin careers.
@gianlucatartaro133510 ай бұрын
The fact that this is Marth vs Sheik makes this even crazier. Zain can make the worst matchups look ridiculously easy lmao
@meleessb10 ай бұрын
Marth Sheik made me quit the game 😂
@lunarumbreon7699 Жыл бұрын
You think that gap is huge? Wait til you see how Mang0 feels the gap is between 2 and 3
@ihatetobait9396 Жыл бұрын
Zain is built different.
@danielalv7840 Жыл бұрын
That song tho
@maruchan458 Жыл бұрын
Kinda reminds me of when hax when against Drpp(considered the worst God of the 5) he low percent 3 stocked him 2 times in a matter of seconds. BTW hax wasn't 50th, he was *6th*
@glendian9 ай бұрын
But ngl Hax got fucked
@micahstuart2395 Жыл бұрын
Yes every day I wonder what the skill gap is between rank number one and rank number forty six
@m3z784 Жыл бұрын
wouldn't let that happen to me personally
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
You suck at the game 100%. You have never played at a locals either lmfao, you would get washed so hard for years and years if you even tried.
@Jackaroo.11 ай бұрын
Bro it used to be the top 10-6 weren’t close to the top 1-5. Everyone is a lot closer now than how it was in the past.
@Telcontar8612 күн бұрын
I mean, there are levels for sure, and Zain is absolutely, ridiculously good at this game But I'll have to watch the set because Aura looked too scared to do anything but shield in these clips and it was allowing Zain to do stuff that doesn't work. Unless you're really intimidated 😅 Edit - just watched the set. Zain was living rent free in Aura's head. Game 1 was pretty competitive even though Zain was clearly in control (fsmashing Shieks Nair is crazy) I don't know if I've ever seen a high level player miss as many techs as Aura did in game 2, and Zain just smothered him. So yeah, levels
@SkarmoryMelee Жыл бұрын
Whats the music in the background?
@medea6341 Жыл бұрын
nah Zain is just the post 2018 goat
@ZainArtz Жыл бұрын
It's really weird seeing people say and type my name since it's so uncommon
@jasmithyantro9680 Жыл бұрын
I mean there is a gap but like didn't Zain, the ranked 1 player, lose to Wally, the ranked 60 player like 5 months ago?
@elshaddollworld3941 Жыл бұрын
that happens form time to time but at the end of the day if hi is in the zone just the top top players are touching him
@522wma5 Жыл бұрын
also worth mentioning that wally got like 3 stitch faces in a row that set
@jasmithyantro9680 Жыл бұрын
@@522wma5 And only 2 of the 3 stitich faces actually did something. Like you could say Wally got lucky but it's also on Zain for letting Wally pull so many turnips to increase his likelihood of pulling stitch faces.
@archangel8444 Жыл бұрын
Yeah this set was crazy
@mxcascade Жыл бұрын
Now go between top 20 and top 10 with Joshman vs Leffen
@damana1000 Жыл бұрын
I played a green Falco on Slippi, and the guy destroyed me. I couldn't do anything. Later, I saw him play Zain's Fox on Twitch, and Zain was making him look like a complete amateur
@lambmaster27 Жыл бұрын
Lmao “big dog Zain”
@atari_hmb Жыл бұрын
OMG my coach has told me Ultimate is boring for him to watch because players don't edgeguard and let top players get away with unsafe b.s, which is true. I am an unranked guy who still can take games off any top 20-30 ultimate player. Yet Aura would dismantle 90% of melee players 0-difficulty. So he was right the skill ceiling in melee is RETARDED, almost like Dragonball Z comparing to gods of destruction haha
@ethann1625 Жыл бұрын
In melees modern era, who would the 5 gods be?
@meleessb Жыл бұрын
Zain, Mang0, iBDW are all 3 locks, and the other two are fringe / could be argued. I’d say aMSa at the moment (his explosion in performance is a little too new to lock him in as one for me), Jmook (same argument as aMSa), and Hungrybox maybe.
@petramacneary8152 Жыл бұрын
Zain would not be number one during the 5 gods reign. He’s supremely talented, but he’s not facing the best of what remains of them.
@Nako3 Жыл бұрын
Didnt have to go down to 46. The 2nd place is already a huge gap xD
@foxcollr831 Жыл бұрын
1st and second place are actually pretty close :) same for 3rd and 4th, there was a lot of controversy over the rankings. Zain is incredible tho
@deepnostalgia6036 Жыл бұрын
Im a smash ultimate player, so maybe i lack some context, but that doesnt look to hard 😂
@dylanflores7215 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen aura play at some of the Washington state regionals. He’s super good and wins them sometimes. Maybe he should have just gone peach idk
@homelessharry336 Жыл бұрын
Peach vs Marth is almost impossible tbh
@TempoTenshi Жыл бұрын
He got STOMPED when he switched last set lol. Aura's Peach didn't dent Zain as much as Shiek managed.
@june4135 Жыл бұрын
I would simply just not lose as Sheik. I'm just built different.
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
Never heard of you, chump. You probably never won a locals.
@LogosLFTG11 ай бұрын
Aura been playing sheik for a year LOL
@kotasake Жыл бұрын
Song in background?
@revolutionofmedicine Жыл бұрын
One person isn't 10 people.
@nevalk196 Жыл бұрын
Someone knows the name of the song?
@FTAcatnip10 ай бұрын
anyone know the name of that song??
@AnonYmous-ob7py Жыл бұрын
Zain beat a top 25 player with Roy in tournament, which is even more impressive than this dominant performance
@randomgamer8763 Жыл бұрын
What's this song called pls
@lellowranger Жыл бұрын
I hope Aura doesn't see this lol
@I_am_Mon Жыл бұрын
I didn't realise i was watching you i thought it was some big KZbinr not someone who's scared to do a Pokemon nuzlocke
@bbqseitan7106 Жыл бұрын
Zain was so sheisty lmao
@lemguins7031 Жыл бұрын
When did amsa get 2nd spot ^^
@flexluthor111 ай бұрын
Melee actually looked this bad? Damn 😂
@_Blinxzy Жыл бұрын
I’d wreck em all with bowser
@StrigWilson Жыл бұрын
Why you sound like game theory tho
@meleessb Жыл бұрын
I don't know man I was just born with a voice belonging to Game Theory 2
@RiotAugust Жыл бұрын
lmao isn't aura like one of the best in Oregon??
@turntech4776 Жыл бұрын
Ever wondered how big the gap is between the average destiny player and b2k is
@kingwashington4044 Жыл бұрын
To me it doesn't matter because melee is a fundamentally a broken game. But people still want to talk about it like it's the best fighting game of all time.
@kek8726 Жыл бұрын
To me it doesn't matter because fighting games are fundamentally broken
@skilledroy2672 Жыл бұрын
it is the best fighting game of all time lmao
@HatedAngeI Жыл бұрын
Humph, I could beat him
@jadonplox Жыл бұрын
thats the difference between number 1 and 50 in any game or sport lol
@Rael0505 Жыл бұрын
I think melee has a higher skill ceiling than most other games
@josephcarrell Жыл бұрын
Nah, mango #1. King just sharing his throne
@Silverado-pq6xe Жыл бұрын
Algo comment
@jaw2835 Жыл бұрын
Wally
@RipleySawzen Жыл бұрын
Most of this is all in their head. You could still take a stock off Zain using beginner techniques if you had meta mind games.
@matrixyst Жыл бұрын
taking it back to the old school meta lmfao "yeah your techskill is good... i just think you need to work on your mindgames man" 💀
@RipleySawzen Жыл бұрын
@@matrixyst Yeah, people need to think about that more. Slippi kind of threw it all to the wayside for a while, but a hypothetical Zain without the mindgames would probably lose a game to this guy in a set.
@sleebyrose Жыл бұрын
The Zain Character.
@sdw-hv5ko Жыл бұрын
Aura would destroy people who would destroy people who would destroy people who would destroy people who would destroy most of the audience of this video
@frankensteinmd4921 Жыл бұрын
lol they are about the same level. meaningless talent is meaningless all the same regardless of its magnitude.
@laafeeemin3120 Жыл бұрын
We all know your zain simp b2k
@meleessb Жыл бұрын
Gonna simp my way into a zain teaching session 🙏
@N0T1VE_ Жыл бұрын
Franz coulda won 🥱
@michaelcontreras2007 Жыл бұрын
Too big
@codsocrazy Жыл бұрын
Mang0 is number 1. Zain could never. 🤦🏻
@chrisdrums1910 Жыл бұрын
has to be bait
@cameronguitarhero Жыл бұрын
bait
@AzumaRikimaru Жыл бұрын
The gap is too large and this is why no one plays the game anymore. Adults have to spend their time working while the top 10 plays all day. Also the rank 1 player uses OEM... Meanwhile we got people who havent place top 10 in a decade trying to mod the game to make it easier for him lmaooooooooo yes you HAX$$ A box users and crying to mod the game ever more so
@geniegoldroyalty7371 Жыл бұрын
Ugh no but ok
@nothanksnate Жыл бұрын
Literally wtf are you talking about. Like seriously. This is the most dumbass comment ever.
@ivannolan Жыл бұрын
Fire emblem character winning 🥱
@be2957 Жыл бұрын
Who cares melee is for boomers
@armasapee Жыл бұрын
Still got destroyed by jmook. I feel that the top 5 isn't Consistent. Amsa is definitely top 3. Yet Mango and Zain are in a weird spot. Mango got like 97 on genesis. Zain wasn't even top 6 in genesis
@poordecisionsandworsesolut6397 Жыл бұрын
He’s literally 5th at genesis
@AlphaChopstick Жыл бұрын
Also mango went doc the whole tournament for some dumb reason
@522wma5 Жыл бұрын
zain vs jmook literally went to game 5 lol
@nahometesfay1112 Жыл бұрын
@@AlphaChopstick I thought he switched to doc when he played Taj's mewtwo
@savageedgelord Жыл бұрын
marth and skill don't belong in the same sentence.
@liberty2087 Жыл бұрын
This is why melee is deservedly dying
@BlueGrovyle Жыл бұрын
It's not. In fact, it's probably quite a bit bigger now than ever, even though 2018 Evo levels of viewership probably won't be topped soon. The normalization of online play has drastically reduced barrier to entry.
@nothanksnate Жыл бұрын
Dumbass
@SoullessKuriboh Жыл бұрын
No respect for melee Marth players because exactly like the vid it's spam central
@yScribblezHD Жыл бұрын
I can practically taste the salt from here holy, you definitely just got cooked up by a netplay Marth
@RespectedSpice Жыл бұрын
@@yScribblezHD lol if you get to a high lvl you’ll realize that everyone has the core mechs perfected so they resort to cheese moves. Such as a grab and tech chase right after. He isn’t that wrong….
@AlphaChopstick Жыл бұрын
@@RespectedSpice tech chasing isn't cheese lmao just do as ISAI says and don't get hit, I main spacies btw
@RespectedSpice Жыл бұрын
@@AlphaChopstick didn't say tech chasing was cheese was saying the GRAB repeat is cheese and the way they get the repeat is by tech chasing
@JoonTheKim Жыл бұрын
Ngl I watched the match and almost nothing zain did connected. It was like 80% fishing and 20% actual combos
@debeb5148 Жыл бұрын
Let's this be a message to anyone with a dream, you are not the main character. Do something else with your life, you are wasting your time