How Britain Privatized Immigration

Migration to the UK has been made intensely difficult due to the involvement of a private company with some...interesting business practices that have left many desperate people in a bad way.
Also they charge you $5 for text updates.
I don't very much like this company.
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Please check out @TheLeftistCooks for another video discussing an angle of privatization (found here):
• Ireland and The Great ...
There's also a @Shaun_vids video on privatization and the railway, (found here):
• How Privatisation Fail...
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Sources, oh there are a lot of small ones, which I can give on request, but the articles I primarily used were these:
For the two Blackstone real estate things
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...
www.housinghumanright.org/mod...
Motel 6 scandal
www.reuters.com/article/us-bl...
For the oat milk
eco-age.com/resources/why-oat...
Puerto Rico things:
theintercept.com/2018/04/23/p...
eu.oklahoman.com/story/busine...
Independent Articles:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...
Finance Uncovered article
www.financeuncovered.org/stor...
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Intro: 00:00
Privatization: 3:03
VFS is like a cartel: 05:25
Who Are these guys: 11:19
Disney for some reason: 13:54
Back to history with India: 15:51
The Final Boss: 22:28
Why are Borders: 24:16
Conclusion:33:19
Outro: 35:24
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[@miracletortoise6224]

Oh god, you said Blackstone and I immediately cringed. Why are they involved in every dumb and/or evil piece of corporate bullshit?

[@Rosencreutzzz]

I'm glad to hear someone knew them beforehand.

[@miracletortoise6224]

@@Rosencreutzzz Much to my regret, yes. They exist in a nebulous space of bureaucratic evil along with SoftBank and gulf state sovereign investment funds.

[@toddberkely6791]

evil is a solid investment apparently

[@tomlxyz]

Because they're one of the biggest alternative investment companies of the world and alternative in the context kinda means shenanigans

[@peacejen8732]

BLACKROCK AND VANGUARD ARE BUT 2 WHO OWN THE WORLD. 🎉

[@TheLeftistCooks]

That was fascinating and horrifying and really important. You are one smart Twitter mutual.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@LibertyMonk]

One might argue that "walls" like this are a necessary coping mechanism for how easy movement is now that global travel is a so fast and cheap, instead of taking months of travel time. But I'm pretty sure most empires could care less who was on their land as long as they were working it or paying taxes. They'd be more worried about all their peasants abandoning them.

[@tomlxyz]

The "funny" thing is that unless it was like a city wall or such, walls never were really effective to keep people out, even back in ancient times. A wall is only a temporary hindrance and if it's not full of defenders it's overcome eventually

[@iloveblender8999]

@@tomlxyz Ladders. A timeless invention.

[@renatocpribeiro]

The concept of the Walled World is really interesting to me, especially the way I personally fit into it. It ties into the segment about international travel becoming a sort of a blood privilege. I'm a non-White Brazilian (I've seen people over here call my position in the racial hierarchy "Schrodinger's Brown" which I just think is an amusing name). Going through my mother's family there's quite a bit of Italian ancestry. My family had the right to request Italian citizenship and I got it and I have the passport. It's just interesting to me that despite being a POC from the Walled-Off World, it's bureaucratically much easier for me to enter Europe than many White Americans.

[@xandr1na]

I've been meaning to grab that italian citizenship from my great great grandparents, but don't want to deal with the absolute bureaucratic nightmare lol

[@Rosencreutzzz]

I know that Brazil had a few different immigration waves from Italy. It's funny to me that about half the Brazilians I've met in real life have Italian grandparents. It might have something to do with relative wealth of white immigrant families or something, but I genuinely don't know enough about it to say anything definitive. Just curious is all.

[@renatocpribeiro]

@@Rosencreutzzz I can't claim to know a lot about the history, I'm basically basing it on my understanding from school In the late 19th century, as the Monarchy lost power and was eventually replaced by the First Republic, the big political group that emerged and dominated the country until the 1930s were the wealthy landowners from the State of São Paulo. They made a lot of (and I mean a lot of money) exporting coffee and they basically kick-started the country's industrialization with that money. But they were really racist and they didn't want to pay salaries to their former slaves and there were too many of them anyway, the country needed fresh White blood to become successful. So they started a massive immigration campaign. There were many foci throughout the country but São Paulo and the Southernmost states were the biggest draw. The state, and the City of São Paulo in particular, came to dominate the Brazilian economy and eventually (late 1990s and early 2000s) a white middle class appeared that actually had expectations of traveling abroad (mostly Florida, for Disney World and other parks and shopping in Miami) and sought English language education. Those white people were in large part the descendants of those old immigrant workers. So that's why I think they're the most likely group for English speakers to meet, they're the ones who travel abroad the most and access the Anglocentric Internet the most. I don't know why Italians were the largest number but we also got a bunch of Germans, Spaniards, Slavs from all over, a lot of ethnicities from the Ottoman Empire (Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Syrian and Lebanese Arabs) and a **shitton** of Japanese people. That's the general (probably outdated) idea

[@annadess]

I was sort of in a similar situation, being born practically just meters away from the Schengen borders in Ukraine, yet still having to constantly worry about visas and passports, for most of my life if I ever wanted to live somewhere that's more economically stable, a place where "I could have a future". First I wanted to at least get into the EU, so I applied for uni in Hungary, being a native speaker the process was still not easy, but I managed. Soon I was already applying for citizenship because of programs designed to help (the traditionally conservative voting) Hungarian minorities outside the borders vote in elections, a law passed by the ruling party a few weeks into their rule so they can stay in power for longer and get more votes, so even while giving new opportunities to people they're still just using our kind as tools to keep them in power. But I also have German ancestry going back 3-4 generations, and while our first application for German citizenship failed when I was still little, we tried again a decade later and me and my family succeeded, so I'm actually a German citizen now too. Meanwhile if you happen to be born in Germany to Turkish parents, you can live all your life in Germany without being a citizen, without being able to vote, if you don't have the money to go through the paperwork and fees for "citizenship via naturalization" when living there all their life, which is also just insane to me. What will happen when we'll be facing millions of climate refugees in the coming decades? Sadly I'm rather pessimistic that there will be any sort of systemic allowance for empathy with people who are just trying to make this continent their new home.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@HarkertheStoryteller]

I love the way you put that as "pay a lot more for the privilege of doing paperwork"; reminds me of Graeber's Utopia of Rules

[@kiloanempress8943]

Age of Mythology Egyptian music slowed down let's go

[@Jay_Johnson]

Rosencreutz is a cultured individual

[@estelasantos8184]

lets

[@BSideWasTaken]

You've basically discovered a really key problem with the UK privatisation of what ought to be public services. I guess it's partly natural monopoly but it's more than that too. Prisons, railways, immigration and literally more sectors and services than I could ever list (and looking up would just make me really, really sad) wherein you could never "vote with your wallet" because you have no choice but to use the service there. A prisoner can no more complain about how G4S handles their prison than a railway customer can insist that another rail company provide trains on a line which is contracted by another company. It's really fucked up but I think a large part of it really boils down to the old trope of "we learned it from watching you", with 'you' being the USA.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@bardsolas]

Its so frustrating to see how little traction this video is getting! Its so good and such an important topic!

[@Rosencreutzzz]

It might be because it's out of whatever youtube considers my typical genre, or also cause I use bad words and *algorithmically* bad words, but who knows. I rely on the kindness of others (read: pls random big leftist youtuber share me) to spread things where I can.

[@ChristosGoulios]

I mean traction is reserved for quality. Like those cat videos with the 10 mil views. I can say they are more of quality than this.

[@tylerdurdin8069]

I'm going to try to change that by sharing. It is dense in the sense of the amount of information that it contains and can be overwhelming so I understand if it would be intimidating to some

[@muhammadabdullahhanif8860]

Please make video on Blackstone. I want to go into any rabbit hole that explore such arcane and malicious eldricth horror that summoned by esoteric ritual that we currently call 2008 market crash.

[@Eliance_]

Thank you for introducing me to the concept of the walled world. I am from outside of it and currently my main goal in life has been leaving my country and moving to Europe. While researching how, I discovered how hard the process actually is and how the system is stacked against me. It really does feel like a wall and I realize that some of my peers, though equally deserving, would not be able to plan a move like this by things outside of their control.

[@polasamierwahsh421]

Try Canada I've been looking into how to do it and it's much easier

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@johnrohde5510]

Free movement was less problematic in states without social welfare and health provision. Once there are such services and a perceived obligation to preclude destitution and provide medical care, some sort of exclusion is inevitable.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

“People don’t go to countries that are bad for people.”

[@thekietnguyen2673]

Now this is high quality content

[@InfernalRamblings]

*Welcome to the VIP Comments Section* Isn't neoliberalism fun? 🙃 This is a great video. I like that you're switching between "multiple lanes" with your channel, as I think it suits you well. (The "wisdom" that one should pigeonhole oneself as a creator to appease the algorithm also kinda pisses me off.) Also: with regard to the "Walled World" (this was my first time hearing the term, kudos for bringing it up) how do you feel about the "imperial core/periphery" terminology? I kinda like "Walled World" as it conveys the hostility of the Anglosphere and Europe to outsiders, and also is kinda like a "Walled Garden" as you mention. But "imperial core" makes it clear that imperialism is ongoing to this day.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Oh I tend to use the core/periphery thing but sometimes that gets really blurry because it kind of conflates empires. Like, China and Russia absolutely do imperialism but they’re not as “neocolonial” and that complicates things- they’re not the West Empire that is neoliberalism. We then have to understand there are many polities, so to speak, many cores. And that could work, but for the sake of understanding migration the walled world is what I chose.

[@estelasantos8184]

isnt it?

[@kaiserruhsam]

@@Rosencreutzzz have you done a video on this chinese imperialism?

[@GreatKnightJ]

I had never heard of VFS before, probably because I live in the UK and haven't moved. Really interesting video on something I've not been exposed to much!

[@UpperCumberlandGamers]

6:28 I would like to respond to this sentence in particular. The US takes security so seriously that the Postal Service has THEIR OWN LAW ENFORCEMENT

[@terratorment2940]

I like that summary towards the end, that borders prevent laborers from seeking better conditions, even from US citizens, seeking better conditions in the Nordic countries, where working at a McDonalds still means you get healthcare, so that the owners of the means of production have this additional leverage to keep wages and labor standards down. Countries within the walled world accept goods produced by sweatshop labor but not people fleeing the conditions that created sweatshop labor.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@suburbanyobbo9412]

The West is dominated by liberal immigration systems, immigration to the west results in wage stagnation or wage depression, worsening working conditions and worsening training for the average worker in a Western country. You claim that Western countries do not accept people who flee poor labour conditions, this is false. western countries accept many of these people, however the driving for is for the benefit of elite not ordinary people. It is true that the West consumes much in the way of good produced by those working for little compensation and poor conditions. I would however add to this that this has come about through almost a slight of hand, that has sought to deprive the western working class of work and displace their labour with that of more easily exploitable workers. This has been a confusing change for ordinary westerners who now find themselves trying to purchase items that were once produced by uni ones workers sometimes even a stones throw from their home, and instead find they pay marginally less to buy something made in a pet of the world their know little about. It remains that the benefit of this is not for the common people of the West. The Walled World metaphor invokes something of fortress, which is a confusing a unnecessary metaphor for explaining straightforward class interests. The metaphor seems to be used to try and suggest that, on the one hand the walled world is not about territorial distinct nations because this is neoliberal after all, and on the other hand concerns of damaged national identity are used to uphold the walled world system. There is truth in this, however the common people of Western nations are reimagined as not having legitimate concerns, somewhat benefiting from Thai system and as continually supporting the very elites who benefit from this system the most. Rather than acknowledging wage stagnation, worsening job security, the irony of increased labour shortages that often result from liberal immigration systems and of course the cultural and political stresses.

[@sksthrowaway2270]

Only confusing part of this video is that you’re apparently trying to move *to* the UK

[@Skyehoppers]

Excellent work here, really laid out these complex ideas in a way that was easy to digest. Your voiceover is so smooth, too. I also appreciate that you don't claim to know how exactly this problem should be resolved. It seems head-crushingly complicated to get out of this hole we've dug. It just is not going to be simple

[@Gitshiver]

Can we get a Blackstone video? There's a whole lot to unpack there!

[@Rosencreutzzz]

...Someday. I might have to just leave it to one of my betters, tbh.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@ghostcat5303]

The crux of neoliberalism here, rent seeking and deniability. I saw another example of the plausible deniability that privatisation offers this winter in the UK. 'British' Gas is a privatised energy supplier who has been subcontracting out the forced installation of prepayment meters in the homes of people who fall behind on their extortionate bills. When it came to light that these subcontractors were brazenly flouting regulations on exactly who and who cannot have one of these meters installed (and behaving appallingly towards said people), the multimillionaire CEO of BG could go on TV and waffle nonsense about how this 'isn't who we (BG) are' and how he was 'shocked and angry' to learn of the methods by which his own company makes money. You employed them! Why doesn't the buck stop with you? Basically, I fucking hate this island. Great video and channel tho, was very interesting to go from watching your recent Bannerlord video to this.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@TheWotato]

Damn, really happy the algorithm gave me this channel lol. Great video! My partner and I have been dealing with a Belgian visum application and this explains so much about why the whole process is so unnecessarily complicated, wasteful, expensive and obtuse.

[@reconuhd4193]

Anti free movement of human/labour is simply NIMBY but on a greater scale.

[@estelasantos8184]

anti free?

[@aarongallant4280]

Typing this from Wilmington and we are a rust belt town stapled on to a central business district

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Yeah that really is the vibe isn't it?

[@estelasantos8184]

It shure is

[@szucsoliverleonard]

I love this gaming history channel thing you make. Keep up the amazing work!

[@gabrielbybee9556]

This came out as I've been thinking about borders and their use as of late. Anyways, it's always nice to see you upload, have some algorithm interaction.

[@estelasantos8184]

it is a load of mess

[@plastered26]

Babe wake up! Rosencreutz made another non-map game political video!

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@axelprino]

I'm afraid to say that this gave me some interestingly evil ideas... to be applied to a fictional world

[@ericew576]

Great video as always

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@dabrickshaw651]

My boy Eliwood would never do that Lilina like that, however Hector would do Roy like that.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

I really really struggled with what direction to go with that exchange.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@ericew576]

Your channel is criminally under-subbed.

[@estelasantos8184]

It is

[@JackCooper243]

This was something I always knew but never knew what the root of the problem was and now I know. Great video!

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@andersclemenskarlsen4516]

Great video - praise the algorithm

[@estelasantos8184]

praise

[@PaulSpades]

praise

[@MathMasterism]

As an American the strictness at which Visa's are enforced has always felt "wrong," or prehaps contrary my common sense understanding of the world. I'm not talkng about needing approval to enter a country (even if I think it should be less strict), because it make sense for countries to want to screne for dangerous or hostile actors trying to enter their territory. I'm talkng only being allowed to stay in country you've been approved to enter for a limited amount of time unless you can find a justification for why you should be allowed to stay longer. I am a resident of the state of New Hampshire (NH), I pay taxes to the NH state and vote in NH elections, but I can at anytime travel to a different state (say Oklahoma) and spend however long I want there. As long as I am abiding by state and federal law and not inconviencing state residents, the state of Oklamona won't care that their is an NH resident effectively crashing in their boarders. I can even acess state owned locations like public parks without any red tape, even though none of my taxes went towards developing or maintaning it. So the idea that I can't just travel to another country that is not hostile to towards my own and stay there moving from hotel to hotel untill I personally choose to go home, that my access to a country has has a countdown like its a subscription free trial, feels counterintuitive to my prior experience of how traveling works. This feels closer to enttering a privately owned property in America than it does going to djfferent state, and that feels really grows in a way that's difficult to articulate. Like a travel visa is less a stamp of approval that says "this person unlikely to inventionally break our laws" and more like a admission ticket to the *government's* land in away that, I feel, undermines the idea that a goverment is extention of people and not the owner of people.

[@Somajsibere]

A really interesting video, and excelent work my friend. If you wish to do more videos on borders, may I suggest looking into the companies that proffit from getting cheap labour to western markets? Like, I am not sure if you know, but there are companies who facilitate getting a 3-6 month work visa, in places like the UK, in order to get cheap labour in their markets, usually in exchange for a portion of the labourers salary. I would be extreamly interested to see hiw these work.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@LS-im5ki]

I thank you for giving me hope in the horrific immigration process, empathetic old soul as you are is all the world needs much more of...

[@MalkuthEmperor]

The music is bloody amazing! Do you link it somewhare? I couldnt find it If you dont Pleaseee doo Id love to hear thease on their own and support the musicians that made them It was a great video Have a good day

[@tylerdurdin8069]

I had to rewatch that clip 13:49 three times to absorbe what he said because of the giant duck in the background

[@PhoenixStriker1]

The video reminded me somewhat of a video by the KZbinr eliquorice going in depth on the movie Coco, which talked more in depth about the social implications of our current border situations (both the implications faced by those outside the Walled World but also how our media tends to portray our current global systems.) It’s only slightly related but does feel like a good side tangent to the topics discussed in this video.

[@tylerdurdin8069]

I wonder if the problem the USA is facing, with immigration can be explained with the lack of people crossing the border down south, by people being immigrated underneath our noses and blamed on the southern border! I mean it makes sense and if you was trying to import a bunch of people a scapegoat would be a necessary thing.

[@m00zic]

I know this video is a year old but im not a gamer and because of my KZbin tendencies the algorithm gods have granted you unto me. Great video thank you 😊

[@Jay_Johnson]

Yet another amazing video. Given the views of the Home secretary, I only see the immigration process becoming more difficult over the next few years. I wish someone would question Braverman when she talks about her own parents immigration to Britain as to how the process has changed since that happened. When you take away all the legal routes, desperate people will use illegal ones. The only way to stop people dying in small boats crossing the channel is to let them on the large ones.

[@M_Dun]

Or stop the flow entirely, considering over a million foreigners entered our country jusy last year. It's too much. Its always been too much. And we're suffering their presence.

[@Rynewulf]

@@M_Dun source on that? Thats more people than most British cities swarming so big you could see them on satellites in space, aka sounds ridiculous and made up. You realise the vast majority, almost near entirety of both the population and population increases ate native British? If theres too many people we need to look at our sex education and emigration support, not scream vaguely across the Channel

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@MacMan1]

ahh Another Classic Rosencreutz W 👍😗👍

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682]

I joke, this is eye-opening

[@estelasantos8184]

Have you seen the rest? look at @carlos maza

[@0larue0]

For some reason youtube thinks im interested in what you have to say, and its right. Ive spent the past 4 days binging every video on your channel, but this one earned the sub (god thats awful to say im performatively sorry). Your interests are my interests amigo. This shit hurts my soul but im glad that your rage at vhs was so white hot that this was a calm, rational dissection of neoliberal evil rather than inarticulate screaming into the void. Maybe its both. Anyway thanks.

[@m.streicher8286]

I'm busy watching all your videos

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@land3021]

Some ad I've been getting recently; "Queensland is loosing investors" "Keep Queensland competitive"... god I hate region specified ads, but this one, just feels targeted, like I gotta do my part... hAh, I wasn't even born here! What does keeping this place competitive matter to me? Well, I should probably keep my mouth shut actually... they might come after me for saying this... who knows though, probably won't, but to be safe... I'll state now that I don't really know the situation, which is true, the situation that would lead to someone making an ad about Queensland allegedly struggling to remain competitive, meanwhile, they've got, well... wealth... of course, competition isn't just about maintaining the status quo, it's about continued expansion... never ending expansion...

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@polasamierwahsh421]

Maybe one day the un or it's decadent can actually enact laws that doesn't discriminate against the poor nations

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@estelasantos8184]

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[@samdavies1752]

I agree with the majority of your talking points, but feel like some things weren't fleshed out. Like how a captive labour force within a border leads to lower wages, as well as how pre ww1 travel was less restrictive, but this also had a far lower social impact due to the lack of public services like universal health care, public housing, even sewerage etc. Thus putting the economic burden of migration solely on the migrant. Also how these lax border policies to say the US were used to fuel bodies colonisation and manifest destiny

[@davidgonzalez-herrera2980]

How come you don’t post the name of the pieces you used in this video?

[@LunaManar]

I cackled bleakly at the fact I didn't have to guess about the Disney question (I live in Newark, DE, so it's kiiiiind of a meme around here at this point). While I know it's improbable (for now), I always worry what might happen if US State governments were given the power to deny entry/exit from and to other states. Right now there are no border patrols (not counting Alaska and Hawaii for obvious geographical location reasons), you can hopscotch back and forth across any state border you please so long as you're a legal US resident. But it's sadly not difficult to imagine the "illegal alien" and "drug trade" and "human trafficking" paranoia reaching a point where states started campaigning for their own closed borders, their own walls. Imagine Ohio checking the ID of everyone coming in from their more westerly state lines, or requiring additional background checks of anyone looking to buy a house who happened to be moving from a poorer state with supposedly higher crime rates. Right now that would be very legally difficult to accomplish, but I can't imagine there aren't politicians who want that and companies like Blackstone who would jump on the opportunity to monetize such a thing. When I first became old enough to vote, it would have been unthinkable to require two forms of state-issued ID and a facecheck to do so. Now that's the reality in more than a few states. All it takes is enough moneyed interests manipulating enough people to make it happen. I don't really have a point here other than this video stirred up one of my more persistent and uncomfortable brainbugs. It's a good thing to be aware of, but I don't have a solution for it, either.

[@cbbcbb6803]

Empireal countries usuallt told colonies who could come into the colonized country. The private company is just another form of empire. The east India company was a private-for-profit company. For the goose, then, for the gander.

[@Charles-In-Charge]

What does Death Before Davos mean?? Do you have something against the Onion Knight, or is the WEF associated with… just what does that mean?

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@junesilverman8154]

One World. One Humanity. ONE FAMILY. Amen.

[@estelasantos8184]

amen

[@succadick2424]

Epic fire emblem gamer

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@renatocpribeiro]

2:33 so that is the context of that clip

[@estelasantos8184]

how so?

[@nothinglikeasongbird]

How tf do you not get more views smh

[@xovvo3950]

I know this is a year old, but it really should be said that it's not *just* neoliberalism needing restrictions---after all, the E.U. evidently doesn't find it useful to restrict travel within its borders---it's also that the U.S. is a slave state and really wants slaves, by any means necessary. The shape of neoliberalism in the U.S. is informed by its slave-holding, and its deep lust to openly engage in chattel slavery. It's been the pet project of (Neo-)Confederates of the South since 1861. It's not enough to re-implement the slave system through incarceration, and is a massive driving force of all U.S. politics---no facet of US society is untouched by by it's slave-holding "past".

[@HappyNBoy]

This video is awesome in a way that some left-tube videos are not, in that I feel like I could show it to my Fox News addled father and his disdain for bureaucracy and [definitely atrophied] sense of justice would have him agreeing with the points in it more than his programming would normally allow.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@kepral4912]

i love how shit my country is that i only found out about this shit bc of youtube. i truly thought he just fucked outselves over with privatization. i guess thats why i never get to see my intl. friends here.

[@ZheinPasRoux]

"Two societies with the same name" ah, yes, the famous dutch-irish double decker sandwich.

[@kekero540]

Yes but if immigration was efficient who would hire all the immigration officers and legal council. Inefficiency is a response to the creative destruction of capitalism. It’s the very same reason why fascism develops intense militarism. Because violence is inherently not only unproductive but counter productive to advancing productive forces.

[@bucketradio502]

22:47 Ranulf is Brazilian? Sick.

[@estelasantos8184]

😭🤢🤮

[@H0mework]

Besides labor, what do you think of criminals? Obviously not all are criminals, but a few bad eggs make bias and racism occur for the detriment of all.

[@ElTovarish]

WAIT THEY PROFIT FROM JUST APPLYING TO ENTER THE COUNTRY? THEY FOUND A WAY TO PROFIT FROM THAT? HOLY SHIT WE LIVE IN HELL.

[@tiagghho]

Calma, o bk é nosso? Wtf

[@serbsi2922]

All the "shouldn't government be more than *and then lists horrible things* you're just describing the Canadian government "

[@lusciouslocks8790]

I’m commenting this before watching the “Why are Borders?” segment so that I don’t forget it; sorry if you ended up addressing this. Although most often used especially in current times to maintain the global-capitalist power structures, I think there is ironically a bit of an anti-imperialist justification for borders as well. If Cuba, for example, had open borders this whole time, I imagine that would have spelled disaster, as US entities could have snuck in and undermined what was going on there to instead favor US interests (slowly rebuilding a de facto slavery-based sugar economy for American consumption and American corporate profit, and the like). Similarly, I think borders serve _some_ purpose as a containment strategy. It feels yucky to say this as it’s often a fascist talking point, but as an actual example: if the borders Turkey had with Iraq and Syria weren’t militarized, ISIS might have claimed significantly more lives. This does still operate with some degree of nation-centrism, as it allows those “safe” adjacent countries to more easily ignore the problem, which would not be the case if problems threatened to spread fully everywhere, but I do think it _might_ have justification if it saves more lives. Sadly, neither of these are often what borders are used for nowadays, so both points are somewhat moot. Borders obviously aren’t full proof, and as I’m sure you know there’s innumerable cases of imperialist powers being able to project authority and influence across them anyways, while at the same time using strong borders’ innately protective potential to give those imperialist aims license to cause _more_ problems because it’s less likely to spread to home territory… I guess my two arguments in favor of borders are mainly theoretical, with reality being much more upsetting. Still, I think there’s a bit of merit to both as there have been at least a handful of times where these properties saved lives. At the same time, maybe vaporizing all borders and forcing humanity to share one lifeboat would save even more… (None of this is to dispute what you’re going to talk about regarding the origin of borders and their intended/primary functions, by the way. I am *not* arguing modern border systems were invented to curtail imperialism lmao. Just wanted to point out their very niche benevolent potentials.)

[@lusciouslocks8790]

Would you consider Poland to be part of the walled world, part of those walled out, or something else? (in between? both? neither? etc.) I admittedly don’t know much about Poland but I know it’s a significant source of immigrants to other European countries while at the same time being obtuse to immigration from countries furthest east and south. (I think a similar question could be posed for Mexico- walled by the US while itself walling the countries of Central America-, but its economic relationship with the US and the influence of US pressure on Mexico’s border decisions makes me think it sits squarely in the walled out section.)

[@lusciouslocks8790]

(Also of course feel free to correct me and/or argue back. I’m honestly not very versed in this topic; I’ve just read a bit on US interventionism and took the first week of a class on neo-imperialism, so I don’t think I have a strong foundation to stand on with my claims here)

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Poland and Mexico are both examples of where it's tricky, for differing reasons. In the case of Mexico, the issue is that Mexico is actually in the top twenty world economies rather consistently, as is Brazil and Indonesia, partially because they're populous and larger countries for their respective regions. But they still don't make migration easy because of that. Again, Mexico has that economic relationship, but the US Mexico border is tangibly walled at some points in ways Canada simply isn't. Poland, on the other hand is part of the EU, a part that has been included in free migration, no less. That was actually an implicit issue in Brexit-- the face the supposed "migrant invasion" was usually depicted as brown "third worlders" when in reality Polish migrants from within the EU were a concern UKIPpers did their best to speak around-- because it wasn't as "scary". In the video you can actually see a chart where it shows that Polish nationals still make up a sizable chunk of UK migrant populations. So I'd say they're in it. The wall is expanding as time and, likely, neoliberal guarantees are extended. That said, race, or at least, "whiteness" will likely continue to be a factor, but that's a whole nother conversation. To your other comment, I'd mostly just say that you're quite right that borders have to be deployed defensively at times. This is also why you sometimes see the smug contrarian argument of "oh yeah if borders are bad then why is [historically oppressed and isolated group OR literally "Wakanda"] allowed to have them without question?!" I'd like to maybe find a space to talk about borders more holistically than this video, all said.

[@sotch2271]

That is why i don't trust the birder is a fascist things, one of the most efficient way to not be bothered by external problem when trying to solve your internal problem is to be cut off from outside interference, cuba couldn't have survived as a state without this, does vietnam should have been invaded by the by china because it was a Bit more similar than with the US ? Should sri lanka give away its independence so that indian nationalist can finally be happy ? If you think removing border is removing allegiance or nationality or cultural disparity, well it won't because it was there in the first place and its for that that nation state existed and thrived If you think removing border is gonna be make everyone more equal, not at all, its gonna make everyone be at the mercy of the most populous or powerfull ethnie, culture, group, community wich will dominate every other group

[@estelasantos8184]

​@@Rosencreutzzz⚒️✊🏿

[@emperorclaudius5499]

A nations land, wealth and resources belong to it's people and they have a right to determine who does and doesn't get to live there, simple as that.

[@Rosencreutzzz]

Right, okay, let's accept that premise. Do you think "the people" are determining anything here, or is a private multinational tax haven for-profit corporation determining things?

[@emperorclaudius5499]

@@Rosencreutzzz corporations are run by people. Being part of a corporation doesn't make someone separate from society. A corporations activities are underwritten by a government who itself draws it's legitimacy from the consent of the governed....... i.e "the people". If the people don't like what a corporation is doing then the burden is on them to use their national self determination to elect a government that will rein in that corporations excesses.

[@axel665]

​@@Rosencreutzzzwhy not both they can be determined like do people actually want people from other countries to come to their countries

[@marvellousjesutoye]

This is my favorite part of the video "Don’t borders make less and less sense with a globally integrated world and an allegedly global economy? Why keep up the borders, these massive institutional barriers to self-made men, these things that indirectly create privilege by blood, in a world that supposedly promotes equal opportunities? Why is it that being born to EU parents, of blood descent from a place you’ve never been somehow makes it far easier to access most of an entire continent? What is that if not privilege by blood, a supposedly eradicated"

[@estelasantos8184]

❤

[@PaulSpades]

See, here in Europe, that privilege involves millennia of my ancestors' blood that stained the soil beneath me. We've never said we want to eradicate it. It wasn't earned by me but it was for my benefit. Strange and alien concept - that you can (and would want to) better the world of your offspring. We used to call that "progress" before the word was miss used to mean a new generation of iphone.

[@catmonarchist8920]

Maybe you want to wait to make sure there isn't WWIII before moving to the UK. And wait until after winter ends at least with gas and possible power cuts on account of the war in the East.

[@estelasantos8184]

😮

[@mateuskosicov9817]

The only solution, obviously, is the end of captalism and the building of comunism world wide society, a borderless and moneless society. But at our current neoliberal dominated timeline this really seems utopian, sadly.

[@estelasantos8184]

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[@Ari-ii9li]

this vid is so insane

[@estelasantos8184]

IT IS!

[@MrAnihillator]

1. It's a privilege, not a right to go to someone elses country. It is their right to deny you for any or no reason. 2. If you can't game a byzantine bureaucratic public-private partnership system, you might just not be able to properly integrate in Britain.

[@ChristosGoulios]

I am not satisfied with the economic aspect of the video. I believe that the biased nature of the writer for the subject (which was admitted within the video) led to this lack of substance which was what drew me to it. Mainly it failed to explain the reasons for the change of pricing and how were the old a new price tags created(based on what equelibriums and under what models were they created.). The creator should also take a look at the previous costs and current costs of the sector and of course, compare them before and after Brexit. To assess how effective it is one must get more data from within the company which would be easy to assume would be unreachable. There for to make any form of argument for or against its effectiveness would be as of now, just devaluing the work rather than adding to it. In terms of the last section based on borders that part was unneeded since it had little that can be contributed as of now to the subject. Since the fact of citizenship and borders are a given within modern communities to make a stance regarding it and to devote such a major part of the video to something that doesn't really amount to more than idealism and projecting one's opinion rather than covering the subject (assuming the subject and goal of the inquiry here was to cover the privatized sector of migration within England) is rather fruitless. I can say that the part devoted to this was wasted if not damaging to the whole work. Finally, I would like to ask the writer's thoughts on free trade and what it entailed and also get his thoughts on the subject of economic history and finally his qualifications on the subject of economics.

[@brucedobson5285]

Sorry breh, sovereign states and their peoples have no obligation to take migrants

[@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682]

0/10 too many typos, you may speak "English" but you can't speak English English

[@fordman7479]

sounds like commie rambling

[@estelasantos8184]

❤Communism

[@maisatanel]

i love ford car