How Can I Continue With Godot!?!?

This week the Woke Video Game Drama finally hit Godot. With accusations and mass bans the Godot Community Manager landed themselves in some hot water over how the situation was handled. A lot of people have been asking me about it during in the streams so here is a collections of my thoughts.
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[@rawallon]

The only correct response is "I think you should get out of twitter more often"

[@flouglemireindustries4335]

I mean, 'overblown' is 'overblown', even if you do take twitter seriously, it's still a very, very small issue, who really cares? There's not really an 'only correct response', you're not doing a standardized test..

[@kirbythekirb59]

@@flouglemireindustries4335 no there is, you should all stop taking this so seriously, also stop using twitter, you will live way better

[@trygveskogsholm5963]

My understanding is that it was foundation representatives who took it off twitter and started banning people from forums and github. I mean they're the only ones who could right?

[@Zokaru22]

The real problem here is a lack of professionalism. Every developer who is serious about making a game with Godot will expect, well, a serious and trustworthy attitude from Godot as an organization. I despise this kind of social media drama and I agree that this blew out of proportion, but it was ultimately Godot's fault for allowing their CM to go wild in a very childish and unprofessional behavior, while doing nothing about it and taking no responsibility. It's not about politics or the drama itself. It's about what Godot communicates about itself as an organization. It presented itself as internally disorganized and disrespectful to its customers. Today it's some dumb twitter "scandal", but tomorrow? Who would trust them as a business partner? Businesses and relationships in general are built around trust. Godot sadly proved to be unreliable and unprofessional this time.

[@XX-ri1me]

This will prevent people from investing in larger and more serious projects. You need a reliable team in such cases to discuss bugs, features, PR etc. What if some CM suddenly dislikes your project with 500k already invested

[@luckyknot]

I understand that CM was not in the Godot official discord. They condemned her in an official post, but I guess Godot leaders can't kick out someone from a Discord that they do not own?

[@XX-ri1me]

@@luckyknot I believe it also happened on the official Godot Twitter account, which makes it more official. I fully agree with blocking or warning bad actors but blocking people with mild criticism falling under the COC is not ok. Also, unbanning should not be on request with personal details required. The main issue is that it is upsetting contributors that care about the engine and want to voice their opinion. It has a silencing effect.

[@FineWine-v4.0]

You still buy Apple products ?

[@Firestar-rm8df]

@@luckyknot They have not Condemed the CM. They condemned the ex moderator Xananax for using the N word years ago. The CM is on the official discord and manages official Godot social media accounts as I understand it, and nothing has been done as far as the public is aware. Publicly they haven't even so much as given her a slap on the wrist.

[@XxBearZeusxX]

I cant agree with this, many idiots deserve the ban, many more did not. Getting banned for asking for more focus on optimizing the engine and correcting bugs instead of going political is not a crqzy fringe take. Grifters exist for sure, but this situation deserves the heat it is getting.

[@kilrath81]

Unity tries multiple times to enrich itself by shaking down it's users like the mafia... "Well I like Unity and that stuff doesn;t effect me so much so it's ok." Godot makes a twitter post and "ERMAHGERD!!! IT'S ALL OVER!!!!"

[@yol_n]

who the hell said the unity stuff didn't affect them?!

[@wolcamophone4783]

Steam copy of the engine is being flogged by mixed reviews and telling people to download Redot that's a whole different fork with a slightly edgier logo. There are so many moments in watching the growth in popularity for this engine where people are putting forth opinions that try to shatter the use of it or suggest migrating/changing tools. I'm convinced some of these people aren't even real game devs cause if anyone were committing to any of these takes, no project would ever get off the ground from the foundational decisions would keep getting torn up. Use the tools you want, need, and know how to use confidently! Focus on your game and what small goals for features you need to accomplish next and don't throw out the bath water for new tools because someone online said it would be better for the engine's development.

[@goblinreal4058]

So glad to see a reasonable take after my front page got flooded with a bunch of drama channels blowing it way out of proportion

[@omen755]

Completely agree. I hate seeing people hating on the engine over a twitter post. They act like the community manager makes the engine

[@aboxonmydesk319]

Yeah I think asmongold contributed to this

[@mikecodev]

I hope this drama fades soon, so tiresome...

[@_Garm_]

as soon USA is finished with their elections is over... 99% of the political trolls disapares

[@facundoflores6084]

It will, It's just reactionary shit.

[@Honed-]

they started it, unprompted to anything at all lmao. nothing would of happened if they didn't go on a blocking spree for just asking to keep it not political. take away someone's voice, then it will just draw more attention to it.

[@sibel9272]

They blocking spree wouldn’t have happened if people weren’t being assholes.

[@pankoBreadCroisant]

​@@Honed- sounds like you've never been on the receiving end of online harassment. must be nice

[@Flamebamboo]

Gwizz announced that he is quitting Godot 6:03.... rip no quick tutorial anymore

[@JdThe65th]

... Who? No, like I'm being legit, who is that?

[@Flamebamboo]

@@JdThe65th kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWqwXmiFa9Vkhrcsi=IjIr6-tMa0W0KjxD

[@Asonc1]

@@JdThe65th cool guy makes straight to the point godot content but he explained a fair reason to quit tbh

[@_gamma.]

Nice opening for someone else to pick up!

[@ShoTro]

@@Asonc1 His reason is separate from the X issues though. It seems like there needs to be a new Godot discord that isn't run by someone who shitposts all the time and mods like a tyrant.

[@ThePencilNerd]

All the people saying "this is the end of Godot" are not developers. A social media drama is not going to turn away people from the tools itself.

[@nono-yw3tv]

Yea, They're people with common sense. "A social media drama is not going to turn away people from the tools itself." Speak for yourself.

[@mnmmnmm]

@@nono-yw3tv Most actual developers really don't care tho

[@queenofsquiggles]

NGL I moved from Godot to Bevy right before this drama started, and I kinda wish I could switch back to Godot just to add some "this engine is doing cool stuff" effort back in. Though I switched off of Godot mainly because I wanted to work fully in rust, rather than a Rust lib + GDScript app code workflow.

[@ZaberfangX]

How toxic twitter/X is I do avoid it, I know some people can't avoid twitter due to good reason. But as I see it's just drama, but the engine is fine but lately people like to overblown things for no good reason then following the next flash mob on the net over little thing that don't change anyone life.

[@FlooferLand]

Same I almost got warned on Godot's official servers because Twitter blew up this situation so far that I thought Godot was in the wrong (and I'm trans) It has convinced me to move away from Twitter though and I'd recommend way more people doing so, I'm in a constant state of peace now

[@ZaberfangX]

@@FlooferLand yeah I moved away from Twitter to Mastadon not saying is rainbow and sunshine there but I get my feed there, and KZbin crazy drama over this. I think the most they did wrong so far as didn't try to look in to deep is banning the wrong people not being the hateful group that just hate everything they don't like.

[@nono-yw3tv]

It's not overblown, People weren't banned over politics. They were banned over criticism. Who came up with this lie that they were only banning people for being political?

[@nono-yw3tv]

Even if that was the case, That they were only banning political people. Godot should of been more professional about it. They weren't and banned tons of people that didn't deserve it.

[@mindraj]

the only sane take out there. this drama has been blown so much out of proportion by the commentary channels

[@LyubomirIko]

Normal peope and developers don't speak because there is nothing of importance to speak about. But the grifters feed on this stuff, so they blow it and filll the whole space and channels with their twisted view and hype. Reminds me of NFT.

[@nicklansbury3166]

I've avoided most of the drama. I did watch one KZbin video where a non-Godot user who is also not a coder/programmer said he would write his "own game engine instead of learning Godot "(these were his words, not mine). I can't take people seriously if they provide something so ridiculous as their argument. I prefer to listen to recognised Godot folks like yourself to get a well-balanced non-emotive interpretation of events.

[@nono-yw3tv]

This deserves a dislike.

[@mnmmnmm]

@@nono-yw3tv Cope harder lmao

[@pixels_per_minute]

Finally. Someone who gets it. I really, really don't give two cents about some useless Discord & Twitter drama with a handful of community managers. At least Unity devs had a legitimate reason to be upset with Unity. This is just nonsense.

[@iamthesasi]

You find an open source app you like but the maintainers are very open about their politics and their whole vibe is like, "You don't agree with us? Well, you can still use the software, you bigotted piece of trash". Will you use it? If you have donated or are halfway through a project then I could understand it's more complicated. Just get your money's worth.

[@cyb-m1g]

​@@iamthesasi "Will you use it?" Yep, I will. And there is nothing that will change that. Godot will never die sorry chud

[@KatsoGoGo]

@@iamthesasi Words are words, tools are tools. People who drive Volkswagen, don't really seem to be bothered that the cars founder is Adolf Hitler. If a tool works, it works. Godot is not there because of maintainers, but because of contributors because it is an open-source project.

[@paperback333]

Worlds most sensible reasonable take, so refreshing :)

[@chrisxdeboy]

Personally, I think the current Godot drama is far less of a reason to switch than what happened with Unity. That said, if Redot gets to a point where it gets more/better features than Godot, would you ever use it?

[@blarghblargh]

It's a fork. Most forks (especially those done for virtue signalling purposes) die within a year or two when everyone forgets about the silly mob and just get on with their existing project.

[@martincontrera1429]

Yes, it happens all the time, there is a TON of succesful forks projects over the years, even video games related.

[@cyb-m1g]

It's not a genuine attempt at a fork it's literally just a rage mob, so no.

[@-__Shadow__-]

@@cyb-m1g in your* opinion

[@cyb-m1g]

@@-__Shadow__- Not an opinion, it's fact.

[@0.e-xerith841]

People complaining about "but they banned people on github!" are also blowing things out of proportion because (according to Akien) it was 5 people who opened up issues on github that were basically calling the CM a "woke femenazi piece of shit". And ftr this all started over over someone saying "studios that use premade engines are woke" which is very ironic. Anyways, thanks for this video and especially for pointing out the hypocrisy in "I want an apolitical engine." Edit for further info: it seems the general issue at large is with the CM and moderation of the godot foundation, which is valid, but... has been an issue for far longer than this nonsense. Though I feel other people are more equipped to talk about that than me. Edit 2: genuinely getting a kick out of all the people swearing up and down they aren't blowing things out of proportion and then turn around and say something that's both over exaggerated and outright false.

[@cantileveredapotheosis]

I think the biggest issue is the banning of people from github over the past several years, esp if they were outside of their political realm. Then secondarily to that, they actively don't merge pull requests purposefully to "build up anticipation" for the game engine... 'waiting for godot' isn't just a funny meme, it's literally the core teams philosophy. Make people wait for it. Then finally, for me it's a conflict of interest, they ban people for having views they don't like, yet get all sorts of bent when people say "you suck you have views I don't like" they want to play it like they have the moral high ground, and everyone else is 'purge' worthy (their words) I can understand removing people who are just counter to your goals, but if that's what they're doing, then the obvious end result is their goals are to BE political, BE activists and HATE on the conservitards, because they didn't ban anyone who was involved in the original statements. These statements are still validly pointed out as official statements of the Godot engine. This to me signals that they have 2 goals, A) make a space for people of their political alignment to flock, B) make a game engine. I'm not interested in their first and obviously primary goal, and they aren't supporting their second goal very well. So I'm out. It's fine to have those goals, but I'm more interested in the goal they make secondary.

[@pirbiphx3017]

If Godot suffered actual harassment, they should quote it exactly along with the usernames associated with it. But I also wouldn't be shocked if they just Smollett that. The people complaining about being banned had various flags and pronouns in the bio. It looked like the complaints were often from the choir itself just tired of being preached to from every last corner of the internet.

[@HarryAlire]

What's even crazier about this drama is it shows how little people know about game dev. I can only think of a few indie games made without an engine and they usually could have been completed a lot quicker with one. People saying that "pre-made game engines are woke" do not know how game dev works. Like do you expect me as a solo developer to create an entire game with OpenGL??? Then they'll complain that the game is too short and doesn't have enough content. So many people think it's a walk in the park making a game when in reality it's endless hours of just pure hard work and sweat and people who haven't even touched c# pretend like they know what it's like. God people are entitled.

[@pirbiphx3017]

@@HarryAlire that comment only had seven likes when the CM went YOLO on it. Leading people to even suspect that it was planted there to be an excuse for the reply. It was otherwise so random and nonsensical that it should have just been ignored.

[@HarryAlire]

@@pirbiphx3017 wow you just worked out how twitter works, congrats bro

[@mvargasmoran]

I hope that the drama ends, and that it ends with all activists removed.

[@kenonerboy]

@@mvargasmoran unfortunately the activism is baked into godot

[@mvargasmoran]

@@kenonerboy you mean that it is backed into Rust. 🤣

[@nono-yw3tv]

It won't, And if you want it to. Switch to Redot. Because Godot is just a brick wall, Unless they start firing the people in the community manager position. (But even then I don't think that's enough.)

[@felsenstern]

I also wondered about the attempted 'event' that went so wrong, but when I talked with my friend who are all very tolerant, they all agreed that the term 'woke' for a long time now, is a political charged term and that a community manager should know that. So in their opinion the post was either very clumsy or deliberately placed to provoke a reaction. The question is also not about hurting an open source project but rather if someone want to identify themselves with activists that want to convey their message through that project.

[@user-rx3xl7zn1u]

The new community is all about actual inclusion and is very passionate and vibrant and focused on just making good games and improving the engine. The community is full of people from "all walks of life" who are passionate about making games. The only people not welcome in the new community are those trying to cause trouble and division. I haven't been using Godot long enough to know, but many community members feel the Godot Team has been increasingly ignoring the community over the past few years, so when Godot officially rejected community members for saying Godot should remain politically neutral (which means Godot officially and blatantly chose to side against community members), this was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. This was very unprofessional on Godot's part. Only time will tell how this will play out. My hope is that long term it will be a boon to the Go/Redot engine as there are now two communities focused on improving different aspects of it -- Godot on new features, ReDot on long-standing stability and quality of life issues.

[@Eaode]

sleeper take from a sock account. Not showing inclusive support for minority devs in the community would ACTUALLY be "blatantly siding against community members" Queer ppl existing is not politics, and making a silly response to a dumb ragetweet about "woke" is not pushing a political agenda. This entire online discourse cycle places blame on minorities for visibly existing because it hurts the feelings of some fragile alt-right snowflakes. It's the _anti-woke_ crowd that is making a stink about an inconsequential tweet. It's the anti-woke crowd that have turned basic human decency and compassion into a "political issue" and they have done this specifically so that accepting people is something that can't be said without this manufactured outrage. That even ignorant but well meaning people parrot the same bs talking points. Not that you're one of those; ur username let's me know ur being an ass on purpose.

[@dancovich]

Godot the engine is already politically neutral. Godot the foundation has in its statement that it aims at being a safe place for all kinds of people. They can't really be politically neutral, because eventually they will have to deal with someone in their community who ISN'T politically neutral and there is no neutral way of doing this other than ignoring the person. If you ignore someone being a hateful ass at your community, then you can't state your community is a safe haven for people of all kinds. What I think was a mistake was engaging in a Twitter conversation that would go nowhere. When that obvious bait exploded, they went into panic mode and made mistakes. Those mistakes could be avoided if just they were more responsible choosing which conversations they want to engage with. That's not being politically neutral, that's just choosing your battles better. I think people that asks the management to be politically neutral are being either disingenuous or naive. No company can afford to be politically neutral, they just get better at choosing their battles.

[@hakerananasek]

A level-headed take on the drama. Both Godot team and the vocal opposing side act incredibly childish.

[@angelrubiov]

I love how nobody complaining about this silliness is an adult or a game developer, it's internet trolls all the way down

[@FineWine-v4.0]

Reminder that a lot of the punks fanning the drama are not developers E.g: RevSaysDesu HeroHei Asmongold etc..... If ReDot is properly maintained & actually revieves upgrades then we use that Hell there's Bevy as well if you want to avoid GODOT & REDOT altogether

[@michelians1148]

It's a serious risk to depend on people who only care about politics. Ignoring all the red flags is a huge error.

[@nono-yw3tv]

Yep, Which is what I'm saying.

[@FaticusDolphinius]

Oh I’m shaking, someone had a political opinion one time that’s crazy

[@SapoRigeno]

Just make games! The more attention you pay to these opinions, the stronger they become. If everyone focused on their personal project, there would be no room for these types of thoughts from some people. Let's just play games, try to make money and be happy. I won't leave Godot, not because I love it, but because I'm already halfway through the project. I just want to deliver the demo :3

[@saptarshisamanta6856]

Good thoughts

[@jonas3115]

I think hating on the wokeness has become so mainstream that as soon as a company does something stupid that can be classified as "woke", everyone immediately acts like their product is ruined now. I'm not on Twitter and when I heard of the controversy my first thought was: "But how does it affect the engine? It doesn't? Then why should I care?" Imagine giving up on something you love because of a random Twitter post.

[@keithwinget6521]

Well, then they immediately used the moment to bring up other things they have a problem with as if they are somehow related. This is just normal internet nonsense. Nothing to see here, folks. Just some people who miss the alt-right gamergate movement days and want some of that spice back in their life...And found this, of all things, to latch onto. Now that they have this drama teat to suckle from they aren't letting go of it until the next source of outrage comes along.

[@n41sd]

Finally someone with sense on this "drama", thanks Chaff

[@blarghblargh]

Yeah. The people throwing the biggest fits aren't people who ship games. They will have zero effect on the project

[@nono-yw3tv]

The only sense he brought was nonsense.

[@n41sd]

@@nono-yw3tv If you reduce your use of the internet and social media, I guarantee this will help! Take care!

[@ShoTro]

I feel similar. I have yet to see many people really care about this much at all. It is getting attention from the grifter crowd and makes youtubers money to interpret X drama as real drama that anyone cares about using clickbait titles. The drama was created by people interpreting a single word as political, even though... it really is not. It's a poorly defined word meaning that you accept all cultures. The post was making fun of grifters and a bunch of people felt attacked... The blocking was not a good look but if you feel attacked by a comment directed at grifters then you might need to self reflect a bit. I have yet to see a single person explain why the initial post was upsetting besides being "political" but that just means they didn't understand the post in the first place. I feel like those who are really doubling down on this are exposing themselves as folks I really don't care to follow. Submit the un-ban report and move on.

[@-__Shadow__-]

- "Please can you unban me, you went over the top with and broke your own ToS". It's not the responsibility of those who were wrongly banned to beg like a dog, to be unbanned.

[@GoblinArmyInYourWalls]

Thankfully there are still some sane people who view this as unnecessary twitter crap with perpetually online dorks just trying to be mad at something.

[@Default_Furry]

I think, the majority game devs does not really care at the end of the day. Just glad to have an amazing tool. It's just Twitter Drama. Some aren't even game devs nor devs. However, that's just an assumption... I just hope for the best for both Godot and Redot. Free Open Source Softwares are great to have.

[@migo70]

I would say most of the people upset or hyping the crowd by making videos are not devs nor been near the tool. They are just cashing in on an easy engagement video.

[@Matt-qi5ff]

this comment section is crazy, there's people making some claims that border on conspiracy theories

[@nosdregamon]

People with strong political opinions, complaining about an open source project offering a (tongue in cheek) political opinion on twitter. Drama ensued. If only irony wasn't lost on these.

[@ShoTro]

Yeah, these people are exposing themselves as not being very self aware more than anything.

[@JimBimBum]

they said they'd be apolotical and started blocking developers from the godot project on github. the ones who made the engine lied about their intentions, hid it and got hostile and endorsed the hostility towards other and the want to force others to be compliant. people and devs don't put up with this cult shit.

[@veeaxis3892]

You do realize that some people were blocked for simply telling them to focus on developing the engine instead of politics?

[@amex02]

The problem is the blocking and their history of blocking. People would have moved on if they didn't block and ban

[@RADkate]

being a giant bigot and alienating 90% of your userbase to own da chuds ?

[@danielchavez9367]

You are right. The only way to punish Godot is to not support the people using Godot.

[@tmilker]

You're better than this tabloid drama.

[@c-domination]

I just hope they fire the CM. Game dev is hard enough as it is without the engine you use getting into pointless drama. With the non-answers they have been giving, it feels like it's going to happen again but worse.

[@pankoBreadCroisant]

the "it's just a joke" crowd is having a hard time handling when they're the punchline for once

[@kloa4219]

@@pankoBreadCroisant What's even offensive or political about "Show your #wokot games down below" anyway? The CM was just blocking people who didn't follow the prompt instead of arguing with people who don't even do game dev.

[@cyb-m1g]

They aren't firing anybody. Cope!

[@dontstealmydiamondsv3156]

​@@pankoBreadCroisant It really goes to show who the real snowflakes are lmao

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@pankoBreadCroisant I don't remember people who aren't political taking the "it's just a joke" position.

[@NexusBaum]

I think, it's a made up drama. I couldn't care less about this.

[@chrisxdeboy]

It's not really made up. Gamers are tired of having politics shoved down their throat. Gaming is an escape from the world and we just want to have that in peace, and on top of that, they were blocking people just for asking to focus on bugs and features that were promised.

[@Chaff_Games]

Games been political since the 90s bro.

[@Polygarden]

I agree. It's a tool to make games. Everybody can use it. It's made by everybody for everybody. How this drama fits in there is beyond any logic.

[@chrisxdeboy]

@@Chaff_Games I wasn't saying they weren't, and we weren't having beloved franchises co-opted by a certain contingency of political activists in an attempt to shove their politics down our throats. If a game back then was political, it wasn't preachy about it, instead they'd provide a scenario and leave it up to you to make your own decisions about it.

[@ManuCGDev]

@@chrisxdeboy 1: Gamer's opinions on gamedev are most of the time unbased and ignorant 2: Asking a CM to shut up is stupid and wont make the dev team work faster 3: Most importantly: Threatening the CM of any organization is asking to be blocked on social media

[@odge2694]

This just in: community filled of "it's just a joke, calm down"-type bros offended by the tamest joke of all time. More at 11

[@JimBimBum]

blocking developers on github is not "being offended" the ones who made the engine are the activists.

[@francois199]

@@JimBimBum Sure, but if weren't offended by the joke, you would've just scrolled like any normal human being.

[@chrisxdeboy]

@@francois199 They weren't offended, they were asking for more focus to be put on fixing bugs and delivering missing features that were long promised.

[@coolhandle572]

@@chrisxdeboyand that point has little leverage since a different team handles the social media. There is a bunch of other people who actually work on the engine.

[@chrisxdeboy]

@@coolhandle572 The people who work on the engine are just as politically biased.

[@shirotonbo6315]

What if the majority of support, programmers, and funding, went to a fork of godot with a different name, and the fork progressed beyond godot in terms of features, will you switch too?

[@luckyknot]

to coordinate the efforts of hundreds of devs updating and doing code rewiews for each Godot update is a huge enough coordinated effort to make it difficult for any other new FOSS fork of Godot to gain traction anytime soon.

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@luckyknot This is not true. Godot has a bunch of hang-ups that a fork just starting wouldn't have. Too many people can and sometimes IS a problem when it comes to progression.

[@luckyknot]

@@nono-yw3tv this is true in the sense that it's proven that many forks from other game engines have died out after some time. So if there are not enough devs to make a fork progress with a certain frequency and velocity, the trust of users will fade out, that's also a reality that has happened to many other engines, and the ones that survived have a residual adoption rate compared to other engines.

[@mnmmnmm]

A lot of people probably would switch if it actually showed improved features and fixes over Godot, but that's incredibly unlikely to happen at this point unless for some reason Godot massively slows down on development.

[@XX-ri1me]

Better not be too critical of you are all in on Godot. Main problem is that the team did not adhere to their own code of conduct and started banning on a whim. Could happen to you too and that is simply not fair. There are people who pay their bills with the Godot ecosystem and all they want is professionalism and reliability. It is better actually live your virtues (like according to the code of conduct) then to signal virtues.

[@pankoBreadCroisant]

you don't need Twitter to use Godot

[@bobbyisland]

@@pankoBreadCroisant People are getting banned from the GitHub repo too so it's not just Twitter drama

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@pankoBreadCroisant And you don't need Godot to have common sense.

[@microbit391]

In fact, the problem is that people spent their money and energy on the engine. And on their behalf, they disgraced the engine with a post on Twitter. This act was quite disrespectful to the volunteers and donors of the engine.

[@Xero_Wolf]

I didn't have a problem so much with the twitter post although it was made in jest they knew full well it would spark drama. My issue was the childish response of the CM to anyone having an opinion it. I saw people getting banned for asking why is Godot woke? I'm from a country where that term doesn't exist as it does in the US. The idea of far left or far right doesn't mean anything where I live. So naturally a lot of people were confused. Anyways at the end of the day I don't see Godot going away anytime soon. This doesn't affect my Godot projects.

[@HarryAlire]

This guy is right. There is no reason to be mad or political. However I am going to get political for a moment as its what everyone is doing now anyways. The funniest part of this drama to me is the people claiming the left took over Godot. The people saying this have no idea that open-source software is a left wing phenomenon. It directly opposes that of private ownership and instead suggests that we as contributers should all have common ownership of the product. Which is literally communism. Now I myself am a communist but you don't have to be a communist to support this type of software. Some people will say that "internet communism works but real-world communism doesn't" and that's fine. You're allowed to have your own political views. But it is important to understand that open-source software is inherently left wing and always has been. Its just people are only realising it now.

[@chuckdude514]

Godot won't end, but it has definitely revealed for what kind of hate politics it stands for, meaning they lost a few valuable members that were there or would join in the future.

[@Wafen-wz2cc]

They gained more financial support than they lost. It’s public

[@DamianCRWDctrl]

"hate politics" is when you want to include marginalized people.

[@TechnoticPlate]

The user that pulled out their 100/month backing got blocked for saying something so simple. "Focus on the engine, not politics"

[@cyb-m1g]

Sounds based to me lol. Common Godot W

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

@@cyb-m1g more like L

[@TechnoticPlate]

@@cyb-m1g They also went on a ban spree shortly after. Even accidentally banning people who were just minding their own business and supporting their decision. Guess acting like a child is also based and a W.

[@cyb-m1g]

@@TechnoticPlate seethe bro idgaf. Game development spaces have always been queer dominated. Big bet you never even heard of godot until you watched some conservative wokespotting slop mill like rev or asmon. Godot prevails and there's nothing you can do 🥰

[@JimBimBum]

@@cyb-m1g queers were blocked, wtf you mean? dude has no idea a literal cult is what rules over godot.

[@gwenrichard7507]

"It's only 100$" a month - A rich person who spits on the working class.

[@FaticusDolphinius]

$100 a month for a large software project is nothing.

[@fluttershy3642]

I can't belive godot has been sleeping this whole time O:

[@morganp7238]

water frog temperature

[@benji-menji]

The main issue I see is that engine development is being stifled by bad decisions. I hope that forks can be there to allow those who are frowned on by the foundation to continue improving the engine.

[@zellator]

3:10 is exactly the point everyone should focus on. If you don't want to engage with the drama just ignore it. At the end of the day Godot is just a tool. I saw that Union Bytes Painter creator is abandoning Godot beause of this drama because "he was tired and didn't want to engage with it"... well with him abandoning the engine he IS literally engaging with it and taking a stance... smh

[@seanerer]

Your not phased by people with different opinions... but, your supporting Godot and where cool to block dev on Discord (where they get support) because they have different opinions...

[@Chaff_Games]

Just read the docs like a real man.

[@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand]

One detail that is often missed is that the Discord server, Godot Café, is a community ran server (not official) and has no officially appointed moderators. The official server is separate from it, but it was also only recently created. So in its absence, Godot Café function as a placeholder. But even then, it wasn't under the administration of the Godot Foundation. -- This is if I recall correctly.

[@seanerer]

@@Chaff_Games Funny... because that reply would get you banned from Discord...

[@cyb-m1g]

@@seanerer cope chud

[@Wafen-wz2cc]

@@Chaff_GamesChad reply

[@-__Shadow__-]

The problem is, the community managers are the face of the organization. When you sit here and say that what they said and how they behave to the community "doesn't matter". You're wrong. It does matter. The "creator" of godot pretended to be "moderate" on twitter, but on his mastodon, showed he was left wing, anti-religion (saying that people who post religious stuff on their feeds have "weird religious symbology", and called anyone who likes anime/vtubers "has an "obsession for anime little girls". Then said that anyone who is against what their CM's did is because they "hate minorities". Which shows how delusional he is. . They have showed an extreme lack of professionalism. Which is enough to warrant people leaving and no longer supporting them. People do not want to support someone who has these kinds of viewpoints. The only people that don't have an issue with such rhetoric are those just as hateful, or people like you, who do not care how rude someone is, so long as its "toward the right people". Or you just don't care about the ethics or morals of people in an organization at all, which is fine, but don't disrespect people that do care about such things. . With that said, if you are in a project using Godot, switch to the fork Redot-Engine. Same thing, just not ran by people this unprofessional, who want to put making a game-engine first, not politics.

[@HarryAlire]

Mate, it's a tool not a person or product. People who actually care about making games aren't going to switch. It's really a big nothing-burger that got blown out of proportion. Yes it may have been unprofessional but at the end of the day people don't give a shit about the political nature of the tool. It's a tool used to make games. All people care about is making games with a good and powerful engine. And the people that do care are stupid. You are trading ease of use and hours and hours of not needed work on your game because you don't like their political views. At the end of the day it's your choice, but I would rather get my game out at a reasonable pace so I can start my portfolio and game dev journey earlier, rather than be annoyed about stupid twitter shit which makes my game take 100+ more hours to create then it should have.

[@nono-yw3tv]

This is what you call "alienation".

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@HarryAlire "Mate, it's a tool not a person or product." You're right. But you do realize that the people are the ones that make that tool.

[@nono-yw3tv]

​@@HarryAlire "It's really a big nothing-burger that got blown out of proportion." Oh yes, Banning several people for stating "Focus on the Engine not politics" is as you say a "nothing-burger blown out of proportion". I heavily doubt you'd be saying this if the roles were reversed.

[@chris_gamedev]

RedotEngine ftw!

[@chris_gamedev]

@@sytonicflux they just merge the commits from the upstream branch, not few days, just few hours now.

[@jblolz8_]

@@sytonicflux It's way too early to say if Redot is inferior or not, It'll take some time for Redot to deviate from Godot. The fact that there are developers banned from accessing the Godot GitHub repo during the drama, it'll hurt the engine's "open source" development for sure.

[@aniplax]

​@@sytonicflux Godot has been slaking off. People were asking for fix. If godot wont do that, redot will. And if redot were passionate about the engine while godot still comfortable not doing their work, i would not be suprise if redot surpass godot one day.

[@IPlayKindred]

@@aniplax dude please wipe next time you write a comment.

[@jblolz8_]

@@sytonicflux It's way too early to judge whether Redot is inferior or not to Godot. For now they're essentially the same, but there are definitely plans for Redot to diverge from Godot. We'll just have to see.

[@kenonerboy]

They have banned a main contributor over politics.

[@czarsquid855]

I like it when those people use woke to describe something as bad. Cause 99% of the time it's actually exactly what I want and I should pay more attention to it.

[@kerravon4159]

"I'm not fazed by people having different opinions to me." Just imagine the exact _opposite_ of your above stated opinion being held by someone with the authority and eagerness to silence anyone who has even a slightly different opinion and _there's_ your reason for Godot users being angry and frustrated right there.

[@ped-away-g1396]

that's irrelevant. they put politics over developing the engine. you know what that means? it means they can simply reject any pull requests from anyone they know doesn't agree with them, therefore hindering the development (which has already been happening for years afaik). that's enough reason to deem this engine dead and go find something else. you can ignore it all you want. but this isn't simply a drama, Godot has its cover blown. the Godot foundation has already been rotting from the inside for a long time, we just never knew it until now.

[@Eaode]

literally no basis for the idea that politics are put over the engine but ok unplug from altright media maybe?

[@iamthesasi]

Yes, the cover is blown. And the whole of gaming media heard about it. Now Godot and it's supporters will be known as a far left group. You don't want to be associated with it if you are targetting gamers of the non-woke persuation.

[@edgardeivis]

@@Eaode ????

[@FineWine-v4.0]

If it was rotting for a while, how did the engine improve ?

[@ped-away-g1396]

@@FineWine-v4.0 slowly

[@wolfsmith9342]

Engine is just a tool, and it's even open source, I even has a fork of godot that modified a lot of code. Also when using Godot, I am actually feeling like I am making a game, I can control everything, I never got this kind of feeling when using Unity. And even the community got worse, we can just stay in 4.3 stable, never update. And also hope Redot will be success.

[@Apc7th]

Many people have felt the burn of tech. ban for In-game chat, ban for tweets, ban for not agreeing. people are snuffing out the flame before it burns them. I don't want to be at Godot Mercy

[@mariuscatalin5982]

kinda rich boasting about little to no sub channels when yours is under 10k..............

[@HarryAlire]

Andddd how many subs do you have??

[@Chaff_Games]

You saying that kinda proving my point.

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@Chaff_Games So you're a nobody. Giving an opinion that no one cares about. Thanks for clarifying.

[@pankoBreadCroisant]

people freak out about the word "woke", but can't or refuse to describe what it means

[@keithwinget6521]

Or their definition of it is different than that of the next person over, so it's pointless to even ask them.

[@philswift791]

Woke is... A system of thought that finds it's origins in Marxist dogma. Which is the problem for many years now the west has been involved in a Marxist insurgency of sorts. If you have zero problem loosing your basic rights then by all means sit down and shut up. Before you say nah, try looking at Britain who put 3000 people in prison for wrong think. The first target of any insurgency is the police. Hence the Radical leftist push to destroy the police and the systems that provide systemic structure to a country. Calling men toxic for simply being men is also a tactic that cuts the core of the culture. Fitness is white supremacy, the patriarchy which is a fictional notation in today's world. Men are pushed from every space and pursued when they find a place Gaming used to be a primarily male space and the themes were classic masculine. Well that is unacceptable. If you question the dogma you will ve punished, you will lose everything, your life can be destroyed. If that's something you're comfortable with then your fine until your not all in on the idea, you will not be allowed to simply produce games the games will promote the dogma or be shutdown. There is no middle ground with these people. History has demonstrated this on many occasions. Marxist dogma has long pushed the idea that men and women are not different in anyway hence the fluid movement and detachment from reality. A man can get pregnant a woman can be a man etc. There has been a hard push to accept pedophiles as just another sexual identity, no matter the damage thos does to a child. The age of consent in many Soviet countries was 12. Almost everything you see today is a result of our open society being infiltrated during the Cold War. I have studied these things for 50 years. There's much more on the subject but my thumbs are tired. In short it is a system th a t is seeking to destroy western culture. It was set in motion during the Cold War. If you value your freedom to speak and to do as you please. Then you must fight what is coming otherwise you will simply be run over. I wish you peace.

[@OneEyeShadow]

Basically: "Stuff right leaning people hate, especially on a political basis. Also pronouns for some reason."

[@Wafen-wz2cc]

@@philswift791you don’t wish anyone peace-all of this language is designed to inspire fear and suspicion. It’s conspiratorial thinking that isn’t even internally consistent. “The left want to destroy the police” is incompatible with “the left are extremely carceral and want to throw you in prison” And that’s just the first point

[@nono-yw3tv]

When in reality, SEVERAL people have described it. But you refuse to accept the answer.

[@Novacification]

"all engines are woke because most creative people are liberal" I'm left leaning myself but that is some next level fart sniffing ignorance right there. Creativity is not strictly a liberal trait. Interest in games and the desire to make games has nothing to do with your political views. Games are also not just about art but a way to earn money doing what you love. You also don't have to be liberal to want to use a FOSS game engine to protect yourself from rug pulls and corporate greed. Clearly, a lot of people have no idea about the diverse amount of developers who give of their time freely to create and support software that people rely on every day. Claiming some moral high ground, while writing off the contributions of people who don't share your beliefs, is both childish and entitled. You don't have to agree with someones political views to appreciate their contributions and that's exactly why you keep politics out of this sort of thing. If someone is actively working to make your life better just be grateful. And throw them a donation if you have the means.

[@JustSteve85]

Speaker doesn’t understand public relations and goodwill is a key part of a product’s reputation. Project leadership can’t be trusted to act in a mature or business responsible manner. Remove politics.

[@JuhoSprite]

BRO you look exactly like the rapper GREEN

[@Lokana]

Personally, I don't want to use a product made by people who publicly state they hate me.

[@cyb-m1g]

Stop pretending like you were going to use Godot anyways, you're like 50 years old and you're here because you saw wokespotters on twitter seething about something

[@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand]

Which one of the contributors/developers publicly hate you?

[@cyb-m1g]

As if you were going to use it anyways. Go to bed grandpa.

[@Casual.Gamer_0000]

same here. i just wait for the Redot release date... and in the mean time, i try indie game engines, like: "Bitty Engine"

[@cyb-m1g]

@@Casual.Gamer_0000 The guy behind Redot has little development experience and has no contributions to godot before this. Redot is a performative ragemob. Sorry bro. Godot keeps winning.

[@devinkrike5968]

As an engine, no its not the end of it. Its an open source so there will be forks. As a company on another hand, perhaps. Either way, it shouldn't have any impact on the end user. I like the engine so I will use it. I don't have to like any people involved in the project to use the project, right? Updates and bug fixes might slow down, but like I said, its an open source, so I am fairly certain there will be contributors to the forks.

[@cyb-m1g]

How would this affect the company exactly? 100 euro less from donos isnt gonna do anything

[@devinkrike5968]

@@cyb-m1g If that was the only backer that was banned/quit, then yeah it won't do much to the company.

[@cyb-m1g]

@@devinkrike5968 some other donos dropped out but they ended up getting 1000+ in cash from people showing support during the drama. The new donations far exceeded what they lost. "Go woke go broke" is a myth.

[@christianbrenner984]

Which "company" are you talking about?

[@devinkrike5968]

@@christianbrenner984 company, foundation, potato potahto. That wasn't the point of the post. Point is, the engine will survive, whether in its current form, or some other form, it will survive. Not sure about the foundation though.

[@ttrev007]

it was not the twitter post that was the problem. It was the ban wave that came after when people asked them not to be political. if they had just banned the toxic posters there would have not been much drama. it makes it a hostile environment when you can get banned for politely asking for something.

[@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand]

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that. There was lot of harassments occurring because of that post, including on GitHub. And perhaps the person issuing bans (I assume it was just the CM) became overly emotional and overzealous, which led to people getting banned for things they shouldn't have been (not aware of this extending to GitHub outside of the harassments). It was a sudden and unexpected situation. I hope they sorted it behind the scenes and that going forward they'll be more measured a distressing situation arises. So in short, response should've been calmer and more measured, but anyone can make mistakes and do better next time. Personal opinion, but I found it silly how immediately some people jumped the ship before the dust could've even settled. Because like Chaff said, the engine is still the same. That is not to say they don't have the right to choose, but I do think the situation got overblown as it started trending across social media. I understand the few backers being dissatisfied though, no doubt. I don't know if they'll try to issue ban appeals and give them another chance, but I would've liked to see what kind of response that would've received.

[@DrSimonFokt]

Godot: puts hand in anthill Godot, 3 days later: we got 'unexpectedly' bitten by ants

[@-__Shadow__-]

"It's the ants fault for biting us, not ours for knowingly doing what they see as an attack on them"

[@pankoBreadCroisant]

​@@-__Shadow__- "for what they see as an attack" is saying so much lol. literally playing the victim because someone acknowledged marginalized people exist. cope, lol

[@IPlayKindred]

yeah you're right you guys are like a bunch of ants.

[@-__Shadow__-]

@@IPlayKindred better than ants. We dictate whether those companies still exist or lose millions of dollars and get bought out by competitors.

[@IPlayKindred]

@@-__Shadow__- no, just ants bro.

[@jakejoyride]

but in the end gamers will vote with their wallets

[@AppMaker728]

You can still make games you don't have to make woke video games like that Twitter post said

[@gwenrichard7507]

If the banning is "fine" ban the toxic employees. I get the feeling this guy is invested or biased politically.

[@Chaff_Games]

Mate check my socials, I never bring up politics. Invested? Barely. I make pennies for this content.

[@amex02]

The problem is the toxic community in Godot. People spending a lot of time and being banned. If the fork gains traction and starts outpacing Godot everyone will just switch to the fork with better features and no toxicity.

[@cyb-m1g]

This needs to be said again so I'll say it. The person behind Redot has no development experience and has never contributed to godot. Redot is purely performative, sorry bud

[@Wafen-wz2cc]

I will be surprised if the fork is actively developed next month. Unless they manage to make the product substantially better than the original, “the same or slightly worse thing but with politics I agree with” is not going to be a strong enough selling point to get people to change

[@Chaff_Games]

@Wafen-wz2cc politics don’t even factor into the engine anyway so it’s just posturing imo. I meant to listen to their spaces but forgot. Watching but I expect it to die off.

[@Wafen-wz2cc]

@@Chaff_Games yeah, I should have said “but maintained by people whose politics I agree with” because that is an even more absurd proposal tbh

[@youtubeisapublisher6407]

It sure seems to have mattered to Godots community manager and their mods…they’ve been happy to ban people including godot devs, their own financial backers, and game devs who use godot. Sure seems to matter a whole lot to them.

[@elxero2189]

Exactly

[@Eaode]

uninformed

[@eduardomoura2813]

Imagine releasing a game just for it to be flagged by steam users as woke. despite all the talk, the modern audience is not buying games, compare for a moment dustborn with helldivers 1 NOT that godot users care to release games, they are just happy to spend years playing on game jams and hours defending godot all over the internt 8 hours a day... but for anyone taking gamedev serious ( and not by selling courses ) this would just be another hardship to overcome.

[@iamthesasi]

This is exactly my worry. I am serious about making games. With all this negative publicity, it would be extra terrible for me, a non-woke game dev to make a game not meant for the woke audience but has to overcome the prejudice that using Godot will bring.

[@Random-hs7pw]

@@iamthesasi The engine doesn't dictate if people will play your game... People still released and played games on Unity for example, even with all of what they did. Only thing that will dictate if your game will be played is the product itself.

[@Wafen-wz2cc]

The good news is that normal people who play games don’t care about this. Most people don’t even know what engine a game they play is made with, much less which overblown, fabricated Twitter controversy happened about it last week or last year.

[@eduardomoura2813]

​@@iamthesasi I will give it real to you, unity/unreal only asks 5% of you when you reach a million on a single year. and you have no idea how much this is, I'm pretty sure even the most successful game made with godot, cruelty squad didn't reach this value on a year. And while engine doesn't dictate if people will play your game, you can work much more faster with a good one, if I stop update my current game I can clone and make better that road to vostok before the dev's even release a beta lol. I just say you this because I lost months trying to make godot work but for anything more complex you will just hit a new bug.

[@FaticusDolphinius]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@eduardomoura2813cruelty squad was released in 2021 and has grossed over 16 million since. Slay the Spire 2 is likely to destroy that number. You can work plenty fast in Godot as it’s a good engine.

[@gracicot42]

Saying godot is supposed to be apolitical is a fallacy. Open source software and free software is in itself a political movement. Godot wouldn't be Godot if it ignored the political movement it's based on.

[@wizzrod]

Politics and philosophy are two separate disciplines, and although there is some intersection between the two, open-source is distinctly a philosophical movement.

[@gracicot42]

@@wizzrod open source is definitely politic in the sense that it put ownership of the code to the contributor, and not a corporation. It's about social classes, and ownership of the product by the contributor. This is inherently political. Also an ideology and/or philosophy, but mainly political.

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@gracicot42 You do realize all of that is still possible in a capitalist society.... Since it's a capitalist society and it still happens....

[@nono-yw3tv]

"Godot wouldn't be Godot if it ignored the political movement it's based on." It's not based on a political movement. It's based on the GAME ENGINE. Use your brain....

[@gracicot42]

@@nono-yw3tv It's a game engine based on OPEN SOURCE and FREE SOFTWARE which are political movement. And godot is not based ON a game engine, it IS a game engine. Stop pulling comments our of your ass...

[@Dragynn999]

It's just twittoid venom that accidentally spilled over the community. Just leave political nonsense out of engine development and make games with others. Politics may be important but they tend to hurt communities and projects more than benefitting them. We are devs from all Over the world and have so many different backgrounds. Worse things have to happen than a chronically online community manager that throws a tantrum to make me drop the engine.

[@kloa4219]

The engine won't die off, just the controversy. The anti-woke hysteria is like the Satanic Panic but instead of it being about satanism, it is aimed at anything that is remotely left-leaning, inclusive, or diverse. It's a mistake to take any anti-woke/SJW "controversy" seriously because it's just about tourists complaining about wokeness for money with videos past the 10 minute mark to fulfill that ad revenue criteria. If you look at their youtube channels, they're hopping from complaining about women to Star Wars to Playstation to Game Engines etc with a bunch of ads in it. Twitter Bluechecks also get paid for online engagement, so that means they can troll people and earn money from it. I've been there when they pulled the same junk with Gamergate.

[@GoblinArmyInYourWalls]

This is basically all that needs to be said about it. It's a non issue made up by the perpetually online.

[@-__Shadow__-]

You clearly don't know what gamergate actually was about, and the people that were behind it, pushed it, and the organizations they've created and the agendas they've pushed into gaming to this day. To include the number of games that have flopped and done extremely poorly because of their interference

[@pXnEmerica]

You're gonna defend the racist too? How long has that shit been going on and only now with the uptick in diversity people start to speak up. Pass the buck all you want, if you've been around the whole time and haven't spoke up, you're part of the problem.

[@GoblinArmyInYourWalls]

@@-__Shadow__- schizo "being gay is an agenda" comments again

[@Grande_Vtr]

​@@-__Shadow__-so a made up drama without relevancy? Ok got it

[@madeyslime]

The whole drama being "we support queer people" is like wow... is it that bad to be open to everyone?

[@cup_noodls]

I think I've been off twitter too truly care.

[@kepeb1]

Redot. Drain the swamp. Godot is finished.

[@Chaff_Games]

Focus on making game and not politics. But wants to switch to a 1:1 fork because of political affiliation.

[@rebus_x5313]

The people that are currently in charge of Godot have proven to be the ones who are the REAL bullies and the real "toxic" personalities, and it means that, by promoting or even mentioning this engine to newcomers, I (or anyone) would make them the potential victims of those bullies. That is literally the worst thing you could do to any newbie that wants to ask questions and join the community. After the smallest thing in their forum post not to the liking of "someone" with extra colored hair or just the brainrot, that "someone" is going to have their BS and their ego spilled all over the place and either ban or harass that person, or both. For a normal human being that could easily be harmful, to the point they would never want to participate in game development again. I can survive that, but not every newcomer can. All this means that even if I continue to use Godot, I can no longer recommend it to anyone. My current intentions are to switch to Redot. As for Godot, only thing that can change the state of things is the complete change of management. That is not likely to happen.

[@cantski]

What on earth are you on about?

[@GoblinArmyInYourWalls]

Schizo posting again I see. I thought we talked about this?

[@keithwinget6521]

@@cantski These folks were waiting for something to gamer-gate over again to bring back the alt-right glory days, and they think this is the thing, but it's really not.

[@jooch_exe]

If your working environment isn't providing the needs of the workers (devs), you do have an issue. Banning users/workers isn't helping.

[@AzoTheRed]

There is one thing. Whether you want to see it or not, people are biased. People who have a strong opinion about a subject will certainly decide not to consume your product if they believe you're in opposition to their beliefs. By taking a definitive and open stance on a controversial subject, Godot is forcing you to alienate a possible portion of your player base, because when a player sees that you used that engine to make your game, they'll automatically assume you support something they're opposed to.

[@computernerd8157]

Yet the player uses Windows. I am not going to assume the player supports all of Microsoft positions on politics. The western culture is crazy. I may live in the west but I am detaching myself from the culture at this point.

[@deddrz2549]

Godot is still a free and open source game engine. Didnt know or care to learn what the drama is, because it's still a useful tool that anyone can use. the lead dev could be a MAGA guy and I probably still wouldn't care lol.(although this is even less controversial than that would be imo)

[@cyb-m1g]

The founder of Godot has always been openly left-wing. This is nothing new, really shows that the people complaining about godot being "woke" aren't actually developers.

[@front-crook]

the vast majority of software leans left. that's not even a little known fact. most of them are not developers.

[@greyscott5734]

It's not the left leaning bias. That's not it. It was the open promotion of a political stance, and banning of those who disagreed. That's a very different thing. It was an opportunity to impress everyone wasted, if the foundation had the sense to vet carefully for a competent manager. All they had to do to the original poster complaining about some game engines was block, suspend or whatever, and say: no baiting is part of the expected Godot code of conduct. Job done. No need to ban and then promote anything in a stance that could be looked upon as vengeful. Just kick them, and go hard neutral. Everyone would have been put on notice that so long as you keep it about the game engine and gameplay, not the political component of the content, you were welcome at Godot. Simple.

[@cyb-m1g]

@@greyscott5734my point was the developers had always promoted a political stance openly. Also, accepting queer people isn't political.

[@cyb-m1g]

@@greyscott5734 you aren't even a game dev can you drop the concerned tourist act?

[@nono-yw3tv]

Yes..... BUT..... They weren't banning people who were saying "Focus on the engine not politics" till recently.

[@Flamechr]

Well the community manage can be woke as much as she wants that dose not mean I will build woke games. I build games I want to make 😂. The engine is open source and free

[@backupchannel8865]

It's not "just a Twittet post", issue is the overreaction of the CM especially when many of the replies were simply "Focus on making the engine better", many people were also banned from Github, so the Godot team is also trying to remove access to their code (Futile, but it does show that they were not thinking critically about it). It also shows where Godot's management is focusing their efforts, on, and it's not on the engine itself... Also, game dev is not all "Creativity", which mind you comes from the Openness factor of the person's personality, in that sense Conservatives have the edge in the Conscientiousness part, meaning, you need both to make great games, else you end up with walking sims and there's of course Libertarians with our own set of skills to bring to the table. Gamedev is too vast to just focus on one facet of it. In any case, the thing is that in Social media the more vocal activist have been overrepresented for so long, and most regular people are sick and tired of this so now we are pushing back, you can see it not only in this instance but in everything, people can only take so much politics to the face before they get tired and lash back.

[@FlooferLand]

not that many people were banned from the repo; originally only about 3 contributors/supporters were banned but people started opening issues on the repo with titles like "Make Godot unwoke" and "Take down the liberals" so people got banned. A lot of people were accidentally blocked by the CM, but I wouldn't really blame her since she did make a form to get unblocked later; there were people spamming very awful things in the replies of the Godot account as well as her personal account so you can imagine the stress. I ended up being somewhat warned by the mods too even though I'm trans, the way I understand it is that it was very hard to tell for them what was a reply made for the sake of rising up more controversy and what was a genuine reply.

[@veeaxis3892]

Thank you for pointing this out.

[@KalsiFier]

I'm tired boss

[@universeslinkerarthifact]

People who hate woke social fashion, they not going to buy content produced by wokes, so... Like indie game developer and publisher, it affects us, you know most gamers not are wokes, It is already proven, where is the money and support huh? You might think they are a minority, but man, if you know which country the sales come from, you will find out why. The problem with Godot was that they rejected people with different ideals, they didn't take the time to review and unblock one by one those they blocked by mistake and with that they showed that as a community we are disposable.

[@GeneralChrisGaming]

Tbh I think the problem here for the community is that godot is basically an indie game engine and many indie dev aren't from America and may have a strong stance against that woke crap due to religion or their simple way of life. Many also dont like politics being everywhere and would rather keep software out of such topic. But I think the ban wave they was doing was the real catalist that got more people to be mad due to what godot is. It's a free for all type engine and if your banning people left and right for their own opinion after they threw theirs is it a free for all? Or is it for those they like. At that point may as well lock up godot and charge people if you gonna be that way.

[@cyb-m1g]

dude you're like 13 years old

[@GeneralChrisGaming]

@@cyb-m1g a 13 year old dont think about the world around them. Dont make your age public.

[@HeiseSays]

Just don't vote Albo in again. 😂

[@Chaff_Games]

bros about to get rid of negative gearing. Let him cook.

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

okey "devs" can you name a good example of a well known project made on this engine? I had to open search, then wiki just to find out that even wiki database doesn't look impressive. The good advantage of the engine is that it's open source. But then the person who holds the project should be ready to unite the efforts, not to push people including supporters. Just one 100 bucks supporter may mean nothing, but if the amount of people who are pushed away is enough to create a new branch, this is already something. And the more you try to convince people like nothing really happened, the more it looks like some serious change is going on )))

[@FaticusDolphinius]

Cruelty squad made millions and Slay the spire 2 is being developed in it. Dome keeper is also pretty popular and so is buckshot roulette.

[@joeyjockey6400]

What an absolute brainlet

[@Chaff_Games]

lol what the hell is a brainlet

[@RealFableFox]

As a fan of open source, be careful of this. Sometimes, it's the straw that break the camel back. And if a tree fall in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound? I've seen a lot of dead open source game engines - Crystal Space, Genesis 3D, Torque, so on and so forth. Blender itself I consider having a lost decades because Ton was adamant on the mouse click. If only he agree to it earlier. He lost a lot of great developer because of his " we are not max, we are not maya" attitude even if the developer just want to implement industry standard. only when he agrees to the mouse click and release control to blender areas to "area owner" that people start to contribute more (in cash and in code). what happened to godot (outside of the politic stuff) - other thing started come out. different people with different ideas. some focusing on godot on consoles ( hence, the w4 games) while some want to focus (i'm just indie and want to target pc/steam, please focus on this instead of consoles) group. even if redot end up like b4artist (a blender fork that just focus on GUI - afaik this fork is what make ton relent on the mouse click?) it still is the nature of open source. what i'm afraid (but i guess already happens, we just didn't notice it like the tree in forest) is that people that came to godot, willing to support godot, now move back to unity since unity circle back on the installation payment thing. next year will be godot first year of lost decades, just like blender when Ton unwilling to change the mouse click. oh well.

[@Honed-]

it was unprompted to anything, and they made it political for no reason lol. that's activism for ya.

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

if you allowed bullies to bully people who support your engine and be authoritarian. your promoting bullies in general i been bullied for 14 years and i know how these evil people operate and thier tactic certainly not supporting who allow bullies to be in power

[@nono-yw3tv]

That's it? I've been bullied by teachers and students since 2nd grade. All the way up to high school. And in the middle of that I was getting cyber bullied. And not just that, I also got bullied BY MY OWN MOTHER..... School and home wasn't safe for me. NO, The people going against Godot are not bullies, In fact, I'd say the real bully here is the CM banning people that just stated "focus on the Engine not politics", Which is a sensible thing to say.

[@nono-yw3tv]

It was so bad that when I had to go to therapy for all the trauma I've went through, My therapist was in awe that I can speak and write as fluently as I do now. It's a miracle I managed to make it to high school (And later college). I never had good grades in the lower grades. My education suffered immensely during school. The only reason I even stood a chance was because of my intellect. (Education/Intellect aren't the same.)

[@nono-yw3tv]

Imagine this, Being forced to take a pill. A pill that once taken makes your brain think that food is disgusting, The brain convinces itself that it's disgusting. Having your own mother SIT on you forcing you to take this pill. Closing your mouth, And then nose to force you to swallow it. And being too weak, Because you don't eat enough, Because food disgusts you. That you can't do anything about it. And not just your mother is doing this. But your teachers as well. (Although the teachers didn't force me by sitting on me, No, They just put me in a room for 8 hours until I took this pill.) Then not doing anything about it, Because you honestly thought your mother and teachers were doing something good for you. They were just trying to help you. Just to find out, That no.... No one else went through school like this and, That not only did they not help you. But now you have major anxiety that may persist for the rest of your life. Also, I didn't need nor did I rely on this pill. No. All this pill did, Was help me focus. (But if you asked me, It caused more issues, Since I wasn't eating.) I haven't taken this pill for around 10 - 15 years. And I've had no issues focusing. In fact, When I went to college, I was not on this pill. And I've had no issues with eating since, I'm still REALLY skinny. And I still have a little bit of an eating disorder. But it's way better than it was.

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

@@nono-yw3tv i might have worded it wrong but i was referring the community managers as ( those bullies) and the owner of Godot allowing bullies in his recent post in twitter

[@cantileveredapotheosis]

It's not just the 'discord community' Godot actively shuts out contributors and pull requests if the person who contributes is politically unaligned with them.

[@_gamma.]

This is laughably false

[@Eaode]

they blocked 5 ppl from pushing changes cuz all they were doing was saying racist shit in comments

[@carminator12]

If it was just the tweet made meh. But the moderation meltdown and the politics taking priority over the actual game engine is a huge concern to me. I started a game on Godot but now I consider challenging myself on Defold, another open source game engine.

[@2tired2sleep2]

How sensitive do you have to be to get offended by a Twitter post lol. Just close the app😂

[@eivisch]

all dramas are overblown

[@86Corvus]

They spit on him and he pretends its raining.

[@Wafen-wz2cc]

He is normal and does not care about things that don’t affect his life at all