How can you believe in this stuff?!

Calvinism is a lie, and it is a teaching that absolutely needs to stop being spread. Just because big named pastors believe this garbage does not make it true! God gave you common sense for a reason... please use it.
#God #Jesus #truth #purpose #meaningoflife

[@discoverybricks3694]

Those babies have the best mother in the world right now. She's coming home to Rome! Amen, Alleluia!

[@calledtobedifferent]

Thank you for the encouragement! Im glad to be home, and I'm especially glad my children are, too! God bless!

[@odonnell1218]

My uncle is very Calvinist and one day he was arguing double predestination with my dad. My dad is an expert and pushing straight to the principle and he absolutely floored my uncle with this simple experiment: “One of your sons is going to Hell. Pick one.”

[@calledtobedifferent]

Wow! So simply yet so profound! Go, dad! 🙌 thank you for your comment! God bless!

[@odonnell1218]

@@calledtobedifferent You’re welcome! Also, if you haven’t heard of him yet, I’d recommend listening to Dr. David Anders. He’s a former Calvinist and convert from Presbyterianism. I highly recommend his book _The Catholic Church Saved My Marriage_

[@Lab-Rat]

@@odonnell1218 Yes I have learned an an abundance of Catholic Theology from Dr David Anders. Love his show

[@bobizzle1605]

No Church Father taught once saved always saved or predestination before Calvin. Even Luther disagreed with Calvin. As someone who grew up Baptist now Catholic, this is why it’s beyond absurd when I see fellow Protestant brothers and sisters accuse Catholics and Orthodox of man-made doctrine. I love all of my family in Christ but it gets tiring hearing that.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Yes! The more we all share the truth, the easier it will be for others to find it! God bless!

[@Nygar1]

Actually ST Augustine was the one who started predestination not John Calvin John Calvin actually got a lot of his theology from St Augustine.

[@bobizzle1605]

@@Nygar1 No. The predestination that Saint Augustine taught and theorized is not the same as Calvin’s. Calvin taught double predestination and the idea that someone is predestined to go to hell no matter what and there’s nothing they can do to change it, that no matter what, God created them for hell, and that’s their destiny. Period. Augustine taught no such nonsense. He only believed in predestination insofar as he believed God in his omnipotence, knows who will accept the gift of salvation, but that person is still acting according to the free will and they are in control of their destiny.

[@jsharp9735]

You think "once saved always saved" is what predestination and Calvinism is ? RCC are the absolute worse offenders of man made doctrines right up there with mormons.

[@jsharp9735]

What made you go to the RCC ? "Church history" ?

[@likaself]

I remembering reading a story contrasting how catholics and calvinist treated the Native Americans when new in North American. Catholics sent missionaries to bring salvation to the natives. Calvinists said the natives being pagans were not part of the 'elect' and were therefore destined for hell so they had no hesitation is wiping them out, because the pagan natives were condemned anyway - whose land they then felt entitled to steal.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Yes! So many people trash the Catholic church for their horrible history, but few seem to want to shed light on the atrocities that came from John Calvin himself. 🫣🤫 thank you for your comment! God bless! 🙏

[@scotthurban8200]

Calvinism has much in common with Islam and Marxism. Islam teaches that Allah chooses who will be Muslims and receive paradise ( which is an Oasis!) and the rest of us infidels are damned. They also deny free will. The same can be said about Marxism. Kar; Marx taught that all that exists is matter in motion and that free will is an illusion. Behaviorists believe the same. Since these are contrary to the true teachings passed down from Jesus to the Apostles to us, this belief is satanic in origin. If you read Calvin's Institutes, you will read the same lies that permeate all these other ideologies and religions.

[@calledtobedifferent]

And somehow people just believe this nonsense and argue as if we are the idiots 🙄 🤦‍♀️ Thank you for sharing this information! God bless!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

"Jesus MIGHT love you!" - Jean Calvin

[@calledtobedifferent]

Scary! Not biblical.

[@couriersix7326]

@@calledtobedifferent So Romans has been decanonized? "though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

[@kevinjanghj]

Calvinism is so dystopian and as you have said, narcissistic. Because of its version of God, it's no wonder that Calvinists end up so arrogant and beyond reproach in their own eyes.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Yes! Thank you for saying this!You nailed it! 👏 God bless! 🙏

[@davidramsey2566]

I think you’re spot on. Calvinism is brutal, nonsensical, and maligns the character of God.

[@calledtobedifferent]

You, sir, have common sense! Welcome aboard! 🫡😂 But seriously, thank you for that comment! God bless! 🙏

[@triciaworld]

I really enjoyed a lot of Allie Beth videos and really am disappointed with the recent Catholic critique vids she has made this must be the norm though so I need to just stop listening to Protestants when they speak on Catholic issues

[@calledtobedifferent]

😬 I haven't seen those! Sounds like they would be a waste of time anyways 😆

[@michelleheltz6116]

It is sad that Calvinism has crept into the evangelical church and some calvinists pastors will not admit it! Stealth Calvinists! Thank God I am Catholic !

[@calledtobedifferent]

They are snakes! Sneaky!

[@jeditear1]

2 Peter 3:8-9 “The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard ‘delay’, but he is patient with you, not wishing that ANY SHOULD PERISH but that all should come to repentance.” James 1:13 “let no man say that when he is tempted. “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one…” Yeah, so much of scripture disproves Calvinism. God Bless on your journey! I look forward to hearing more. ❤

[@calledtobedifferent]

Amen! I hope my story deters others from this heresy. It's simply not true! Thanks for the comment! God Bless!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Luke 7:29-30 (When they heard this all the people and the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John; but the Pharisees and the lawyers REJECTED the purpose of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.)

[@Jerome616]

6:06 Holy cow, I had never thought about Calvinism that way before! You are so right

[@calledtobedifferent]

Right!?! One of the many reasons why Calvinism is terrible. It needs to be stopped! ✋️ Thank you for your comment and support! God bless!

[@triciaworld]

I wish I would have listened to my gut feeling when I got into Jehovah’s Witnesses also I’m about to go into RCIA soon and I finally feel a peace I’ve never felt before went to adoration yesterday it was beautiful. I don’t understand why Protestants reject such a beautiful heritage in the lord.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Thankfully, you got out! Praise God!

[@PJ-go9jw]

If each is pre-destined after death then they cannot believe in Jesus because His coming would serve no purpose. What relationship do they have with God and where did it come from?

[@calledtobedifferent]

They believe that God chose them... they don't know why, and it doesn't matter. They can say and behave however they want in this world because it wouldn't change God's mind. He has already picked them. 🙄🫣😬 The worst part is that no matter how hard the damned try to have a relationship with GOD... it will never happen because He never wanted them anyway. 🥴 Thank you for your comment! God bless! 🙏

[@ShannonHubbard-bf1wc]

Also I heard you discussing the thief on the cross in another video and The Church teaches that he is a Saint since he went straight to Paradise with our Lord as our Lord said he would. This is what the Church calls Baptism of Desire. Saint Ditmus had the Baptism of Desire at the time of his death. Therefore he went straight to heaven with no layover in purgatory.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Thank you! I appreciate some clarification on that. GOD bless! These are the types of comments the conversation needs... helpful ones! 🙏

[@ShannonHubbard-bf1wc]

@@calledtobedifferent yes praying for you on your journey home. Your story is similar to mine and so inspiring. 🙏🙏 I just finished RCIA now called OCIA. I will receive the Sacraments as soon as my husband and I are married in the Church.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

You're definitely correct from a theological point of view. People like MacArthur lack important understanding of context and thereby do a horrendous job with Romans, Ephesians, and John.

[@calledtobedifferent]

It's scary! Then he is so arrogant about it! Like he is some kind of theological genius! 🥴🫡 Thank you for your comment! God bless! 🙏

[@shanahendricks9831]

I was literally thinking about Allie Beth she came to mind with the arrogance and then you brought it up midway, Trent Horn was so charitable towards her and she was just driven by her ideology

[@calledtobedifferent]

I saw that interview! He would have demolished her calvinistic views but she side stepped and steered clear from it as much as possible... of course it is her show so she controlled the narrative. Typical calvinist, not willingly to truly be challenged by someone they know is smarter than them on the subject. 😂 Hoping he gets her on his show where he can control the narrative but I assume she won't go!

[@shanahendricks9831]

@@calledtobedifferent Trent handled himself so well, it's a challenge when the ego meets the truth. Allie's view is also so wrapped in her cultural experience, I feel like if she witnesses first hand the suffering of other people in other countries who come to know the faith, the strings of scripture she chooses to piece together would be a joke in comparison. The masses who turn to Jesus because of Mary

[@theocarrie9033]

i am an athiest but i have a strong interest in theology and i agree with you that calvinism is sinister and arrogant. much prefer other interpretations, some are beautiful to me.

[@calledtobedifferent]

I'm glad to hear you have a strong interest in theology! I am curious why you are an atheist, though. I pray your interest will help you have a change of heart! I'm so thankful that you see the sinister and arrogant side of calvinism. Some people leave the faith due to this false theology. It breaks my heart that it exists! I hope to help the many others who speak out against it! Thank you for your honesty and comment! God bless! 🙏

[@theocarrie9033]

@@calledtobedifferent i say athiest but im more accurately agnostic, i think it is possible there is a god but i havent yet found it in christianity (might change yet). i appreciate the messages you seem to be posting on your platform, and i agree that calvinism is destructive to faith, it really misrepresets the beauty that can be found in belief. god bless!

[@calledtobedifferent]

​​@@theocarrie9033 Well, that's a start! God promises that if you seek him, you will find him. I seeked, I found! I'll be praying for your journey to the faith! God bless! 🙏

[@liraco_mx]

It must be blinders but Calvinism has always been nonsense to me (and I therefore can't stand people like Alley Beth when they talk faith 🙈)

[@calledtobedifferent]

Haha! I agree with that! 🫣🤦‍♀️

[@UltraAar]

Maybe you have blinders on and that's why it sounds like nonsense? Can you address Allies points?

[@randym.7238]

I keep hearing that Calvinism isn’t consistent with the Character of God in the Bible. If you don’t think the Character of God is to choose some over others, you haven’t read or understood Biblical Scripture. God’s choice to Save some and destroy others is evidenced from Noah’s Flood to the description of the “Lake of Fire” in Revelation.

[@liraco_mx]

@@randym.7238 the issue is the understanding of free will and predestination. Creating people to be damned is not the same as letting people face the consequences of their actions (which are seen in the examples you cite). There is a form of predestination Catholics agree on, but Calvin's view almost makes us to be "robots". I'd recommend you look at Jimmy Akin's "Tiptoe through Tulip" article if you're curious where we DO agree as this isn't the place to debate it.

[@UltraAar]

@liraco_mx Almost makes "robots"? What does that even mean? Also people debate in the comment section all the time, why can't people debate about calvinism and the catholic church now?

[@figurefour633]

God desires all men to be saved 2Tim 2:4 🎉

[@calledtobedifferent]

Amen! God bless!

[@marydantu1102]

Bless you sweet girl. Thank you for speaking about this. It is a scary belief as certainly it explains why they speak the lies so boldly. Alliebeth is a case in point. I was pained to hear her speak so dismissively and with thinly disguised disdain for our Blessed Mother. It is also concerning that they have a massive following who clearly are influenced by them. I need God’s grace to walk and journey humbly with Him each day. May God have mercy on us and save us from all falsehood✝️

[@calledtobedifferent]

Thank you for your encouragement! The arrogance that comes off of calvinist is repulsive... and Allie beth is no different. They all seem to have massive followings, I truly believe it is because they think they are the elect, and if God wants one of us peasants, then it doesn't matter what they say we will just come to the light like a bug to a bug zapper. They have nothing to lose, and if their theology is bad, so what?! God already chose whomever accepted his call, so they don't have to be 100% correct. I will continue to speak out against it until it is gone for good! Thank you for your comment! God bless! 🙏

[@JimMorrisonsBathtub]

I don't know a lot about the intricate details of each protestant denomination but the calvinists have to be some of the worst. I despise everything about the idea that God just arbitrarily chooses who gets eternally rewarded and who gets eternally punished and apparently we're just here to wait until God gets bored playing with us and lets us die and go wherever he feels like sending us. And if that was how it worked I suspect Jesus would have mentioned that at some point and John Calvin wouldn't have to find some special verse of the Bible where if you kind of look at it in a certain way and really use your imagination and completely abandon all logic and common sense it maybe kind of sort of seems like that's what Jesus meant.

[@calledtobedifferent]

I totally agree! Calvinism makes humanity puppets and not creatures created in the image of GOD.

[@_Pia12]

I don’t know much at all about Calvinism, but if it’s one of their beliefs that God did not give us (humans) free will, then that is extremely disturbing since God having given angels and humans free will is very much foundational to belief in The God of Christians. So which god do they worship? I mean, the very reason for the fall was the disobedience of Adam (and Eve indirectly). That is, Adam and Eve exercised their free will and chose to disobey God. If they didn’t have free will, then the direct implication of that is that God actively willed evil. He willed sin then and still wills sin today. This is most certainly a doctrine of the devil.

[@calledtobedifferent]

My thoughts exactly. It is scary! Definitely NOT GOD. Well said! Thank you for the comment! 😊

[@couriersix7326]

Calvinism does not dispute the idea of free will. It states that we are just totally depraved and sinful due to the fall, and would never want to come to God on our own. Basically our free will is tied to sin. We need God to turn our hearts to be able to repent.

[@_Pia12]

⁠​⁠@@couriersix7326Well that sounds fair. We can do nothing good without Him, since He is Goodness and the source of all goodness. Nevertheless, all human souls are brought into life by and through God, so surely we all contain some degree of that Goodness. Some degree of Him. If our connections to Him were completely severed and He completely withdrew His presence from us, (and therefore His Goodness too), and we were rendered completely evil and depraved (not just inclined to evil due to the defects we inherited from original sin, which is Catholic teaching) then we would cease to exist. Or we would surely die. This is literally the state the soul enters when they go to hell. Cut off from God, the soul becomes hopelessly evil, depraved, deformed, twisted and contrary to how He created it to be. He is the source of all life and sustains that life with His presence, so until a soul enters eternal death in hell, some degree of Goodness must exist within it. Furthermore, some goodness must still exist in all human souls that God wills into existence since man, from the very beginning, was created in His image and likeness. If now, some human souls are completely depraved and evil, then they would, by definition of what man is, not be human any longer, since they would no longer be any reflection of God’s creatures who were made in His image and likeness.

[@andrettanylund830]

You are so right

[@couriersix7326]

@@_Pia12 I agree that we all contain a degree of goodness. Calvinism makes the distinction between Total Depravity and Utter Depravity. RC Sproul talks about it about on his website, Total Depravity just means sin affects every aspect of our person, including our minds and bodies, but we are still created in God's image and what is good about us wasn't annihilated. What you are describing is what we'd call Utter Depravity, where each person is as evil as they can possibly be and our good qualities destroyed by sin, and we condemn this idea. We are in bondage to sin as Paul says, and we cannot free ourselves. God has to call upon us and free us from that bondage.

[@user-ps4ky5jk8w]

What are your thoughts on James White? I just recently watched his debate with Jimmy Akin. Live Jimmy Akin. Cradle catholic here . Congrats on your conversion ❤

[@calledtobedifferent]

Okay, now! You are trying to get me to sin! 😂 He drips arrogance, and his theology is crap! 🫢 I'll just leave it at that! 🫡 Thank you for your comment! God bless! 🙏

[@tessarmitage1813]

@@calledtobedifferentjust saw a funny coffee mug on Amazon with the quote “Don’t make me have to go to confession” 😊

[@kletterfreak814]

Dear Sister! You may be so right, about that some calvinist teachings may be really arrogant. We will still try not to judge, but to love the people, wether they are Calvinists! 😊 Don't be afraid of living in a calvinistic area. Jesus loves you and all of them, his holy spirit and guardian angel may always be upon you and your family!

[@calledtobedifferent]

My brother is a calvinist! This breaks my heart because I love him dearly! I have had great conversations about this with him... I would never hate or disrespect anyone on this topic, but it does need to be addressed! Arrogant is a bold word but a truthful one when addressing the heart posture of a calvinist. They THINK THEY are elect! And if you are fighting against it, they also think YOU are NOT elect! So I don't mean arrogant in a harsh way. I mean it in, check yo' self before you wreck yo' self way! Even Jesus called the proud, hypocrites and vipers... He still loved them! 😂🫠🤪 Thank you for the comment! God bless! 🙏

[@andrettanylund830]

I totally agree with you. They make God into something he isn't. They also believe that the majority of people God created are going to hell. Very few are chosen. This has devastated me. How can Christians accept this and not be angry about it. I don't mean hateful. I just mean to be angry enough to stand up for the truth. It's heartbreaking to me.

[@calledtobedifferent]

I 1000% agree!!! Most protestant I found just allow this to be taught even if they disagree with it, some will even say they "kind of" align with calvinism... it doesn't make sense. If I were the devil, I would convince Martin Luther and John Calvin to make protestantism so I didn't have to work so dang hard anymore. It's not something Christians should just gloss over. It's important! Thank you for your support and comment! God bless!

[@couriersix7326]

I think if you actually read scripture you would understand that you are making a God that you like, rather than what God really is. Romans 9:11-13 "though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” And then Paul addresses any objections to God's election in verses 14-21, "What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?"

[@andrettanylund830]

I have read scripture and many theologians agree with me. You can take scripture out of context and prove almost anything. I take scripture as a whole. It's funny that the church fathers didn't believe in determinism. Calvan came on the scene later. His belief is an interpretation of Scripture. There are many scriptures you seen to ignore. You don't make your case like you think you do. You have an interpretation and it's a bad one.

[@andrettanylund830]

I could give you many scriptures to prove my point but you would just counter them with your favorites. Others have already given you good scriptures.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Amen! They have, oh id say, 2 chapters in romans and john chapter 6... the rest of the bible is not useful to them​ 🤭 @andrettanylund830

[@DavidStartrek]

Thank you for your witness. I try to understand Mathew7:21 to 23 it'll be a lifelong journey to know Him, to be changed by Him, to show His love to my family and my neighbour. When I stand before him in judgement i will try say I did my best please do not deny you know me but forgive me. It is easy to see you know Him and a mother's love will intercede for her children to turn their the hearts to Him. Trust in Him, trust in His infinite mercy, be christlike to everyone around you so when they call Him they will know Him and He will know them. Pax Tecum

[@calledtobedifferent]

Those are some wonderful verses to contemplate. We should never be so arrogant and always evaluate what we are doing and how we are representing Christ. Thank you for this comment! God bless! 🙏

[@TheRomans9Guy]

Hi David, if your comment is genuine, I think you're on the wrong path. You said "When I stand before him in judgement i will try say I did my best..." This is exactly the wrong thing to do, it's the very thing Jesus is rebuking in Matthew 7:23. You can't earn your way to Heaven. Your "best" will never overcome your sin, or make you as holy as God. It's not even about trying. God HAS ALREADY forgiven you. What you need to do is simply surrender trying to earn Heaven. Surrender trying to be holy. Have faith that his mercy is enough to cover over your sins for you. If you do this you will see eternal life. Yes, additionally, God will know by your actions if you have truly surrendered, but you can know just in your own thinking if you've truly surrendered. It's a heart condition. Not works.

[@DavidStartrek]

We wear different lenses to see the world you and I. I have been given many wonderful talents, on His return I would love to show Him (in humbleness) what I have done to reap where He has not sown, to return the talents in greater measure as a good and faithful servant. Is this works?, my lens shows me sharing the good news by thoughts and actions. Do I have free choice to love Him, follow Him, and "where there is doubt, I may bring faith"?. Am I doing this to earn a right of entry - No, I do this because I cannot contain the grace he has poured into me. I have to try emmulate Him but I accept that I am a poor sinner and in need of His infinite mercy. This is a paradigm shift to understand the catholic view of this world, it is a hard thing to understand. Pax Tecum

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@DavidStartrek seeing the world is one thing, seeing scripture and understanding God is something else. In your original post you said you struggle with 7:21-23 and that when you get to Heaven you’ll ask God to not deny knowing you and to forgive you. THAT’S an issue. You can know he knows you right now and you should know he has already forgiven you. You will not need to ask those questions in Heaven. Of course, our actions are very important. James said “paraphrasing” I’ll show you my faith by my deeds. And that’s true. But don’t say you don’t have certainty about him knowing you and about him forgiving you now. That’s not Catholic, that’s just wrong.

[@ShannonHubbard-bf1wc]

The Elect of God is those that are Baptized. It is a Catholic saying.

[@calledtobedifferent]

I haven't heard that one! Thanks for sharing! God bless!

[@AFallibleCatholicFamily]

I couldn’t agree more about the terrors of Calvinism in particular around the raising of children. I would be very curious how a Calvinist parent goes about instruction to their children.

[@calledtobedifferent]

I imagine they just assume they are elect 🤣 how convenient! 🫡

[@AFallibleCatholicFamily]

@@calledtobedifferent that would definitely give them the most peace of mind, but if you pushed them on that there is no way they could say that is consistent with their belief system.

[@calledtobedifferent]

​@@AFallibleCatholicFamily I understand... and that is an incredibly sad way to view God. We bear his image, He died for us all. Period.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@AFallibleCatholicFamily They're very happy not pushing it. Being told God just elected you, there's nothing you can do about it, let's you off the hook for your behavior so much that they completely stop thinking about it.

[@BiggestMuscles]

Some Catholics believe in Thomistic Predestination, which in simple terms is basically TULIP without the P.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Those people aren't catholics then. Sorry, that's just a lie. They should pick another church. Because the Catechism teaches against it ccc 1037 God does not predestined no one to go to hell... So I'm lost on that one.

[@Marilyn-np2xh]

Catholics do NOT believe in double predestination, which Calvinists do.

[@harlanurwiler7146]

Calvinism is the theology of the 16the century French refugee, John Calvin, who developed the rudiments of what later became known as "Reformed Theology." Calvin accepted the doctrine of "faith alone" as elucidated by Martin Luther. However, Calvin didn't think that Luther went far enough in his doctrine of predestination. Calvin believed that "faith" was a divine gift of grace given only to the "elect" whom God predestined for salvation apart from any foreseen merit or work on their part. Since the atonement of Christ is only for these "elect" souls, and no one else, the atonement could not be for the whole world. God has chosen some to inherit salvation and that is all. Unlike Luther, Calvin was never a cleric of the Catholic Church. Luther was excommunicated by Pope Leo X in 1521 for heresy. However, Calvin was only raised Catholic and left the Church as an adult. Therefore, Calvin was never officially excommunicated. However, he made it plain that he completely rejected the legitimacy of the "Roman faction" (as he termed the papacy and episcopacy). Calvin spent much of his life writing, defending his views, and arguing with his critics. He died after his wife and only son passed away before him. Calvin wrote and debated on "system" in his writing. Calvinists today continue to use "systematic theology" to interpret Scripture as a whole. Problem passages in the Bible are either interpreted according to the tenets of Calvinism or merely glossed over with little comment. I would describe the life of John Calvin as "unhappy" in several ways. At times, he dealt in the most severe way possible with his critics. Calvin personally approved the burning of Michael Servetus at the stake in Geneva because Servetus challenged Calvin's views of theology. In this way, Calvin was not much different than the Catholic rulers he criticized for persecuting Protestants in similar ways.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Enough said! Thank you for sharing! God bless!

[@couriersix7326]

"Calvin personally approved the burning of Michael Servetus at the stake in Geneva because Servetus challenged Calvin's views of theology." Servetus was an actual heretic that denied the Trinity. He was burned at the stake by the Geneva city government for his heresy, not because he disagreed with Calvin's idea of predestination.

[@Doug8521]

Well you must listen to the infallible opinion of Pope James White, Patriach Ortlund, and prophetess Alley Beth before joining the Church Jesus founded

[@calledtobedifferent]

🤣🤣👏👏💯👍

[@jsharp9735]

Like the pope contradicting Jesus ? Or the RCC making up dogmas that go against what Jesus and Paul teaches ? Why would Jesus found a church that contradicts Him ?

[@bobicrni1284]

God is all knowing and sovereign over everything if He wants to, but exodus is clear as water that people have free will and use it to go away or against God, and that God lets them, even if it displeases Him greatly.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Amen! That's true love! Thanks for your comment! God bless!

[@couriersix7326]

6:05 Our actions still matter, how we preach still matters. We just have to remember everything that happens is through the will of God, even if we don't realize it. We may make mistakes or mean things for evil, but God is ultimately using it for good. Like the story of Joseph in Genesis, what man meant for evil God meant for good.

[@calledtobedifferent]

But "man meant" it... i.e. man, made a choice to choose bad, but God used that bad choice and brought good from it. See, there is a huge difference in a God who would make evil men do evil things just so he could give himself a high five at the end times. 🥴 Also, those same evil men he saved and made them into the nation of Israel, his people 🤯

[@calledtobedifferent]

Again... add a little common sense and your theology goes poof 💨

[@couriersix7326]

@@calledtobedifferentAgain, you keep stating that Calvinism doesn't believe in free will at all, which is not the case. God can be sovereign and our will be free. Man according to his will made that evil decision, but God allowed it because it was part of plan.

[@calledtobedifferent]

​@@couriersix7326 yes that is normal church teaching, not calvinist... but I digress... we will go with your half understanding of calvinism.... if God irresistibly draws you (meaning you have NO CHOICE because its IRRESISTIBLE) then no Mr. Calvinist YOU CANT have free will, you sir are a puppet. AGAIN... POOF 💨

[@couriersix7326]

@@calledtobedifferentAnswer me this question, do you believe human free will exists as a blank slate, and that choices we make are not influenced by anything?

[@titusa04]

Hey there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts about Calvinism. I had a clarifying question I'd like to ask. Do you think Calvinists are not Christians? I find it dangerous to say that other sincere believers in Christ with different theological views are not saved. I go to a church where some members are Calvinist and others are Arminian and have conflicting beliefs, but they still can worship God together, pray together, and encourage one another in the faith. This makes me think that maybe the issue has been inflated way beyond what it should be. Why can't we disagree while also continuing to love one another and live together as Christians? I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks!

[@calledtobedifferent]

First, I would like to say that I am not God. Therefore, I do not know how he will judge these beliefs and teachings. I do think Jesus warned us about false teaching for a reason, though. My brother is calvinist and it is a conversation, I hope to keep open with him. I pray that God will show him the truth about this belief. I believe my brother truly loves the LORD and wants to serve him well (as I'm sure many calvinist do), but according to Jesus, we are all capable of being misled. If I truly love my fellow Christians, then these harder conversations should be had. That doesn't mean I can't associate with these people any longer. On the contrary, I should do as James says and try to win the back... and cover a multitude of sin. My biggest concern with calvinism is how it alters God's character, He is no longer LOVE, he just is capable of loving (whom ever he chooses). The one true GOD IS LOVE according to 1 John 4:8. Calvinism at its core would have to make GOD the author of sin, and that is the opposite of The GOD who IS LOVE. That's my feelings on it. I hope that answers your question. Thanks for asking it!😊

[@titusa04]

@@calledtobedifferent Thanks for your response! I appreciate your passion for the truth, and I think that's a trait every Christian should have. I liked what you said in the video about holding our beliefs with an open hand and being able to adjust them when convinced by Scripture. I agree that many Calvinists can be too adamant about their theology and come across as arrogant. I also know some Calvinists, though, who are much more humble and willing to discuss these issues in a respectful manner. I'm glad you're willing to speak your mind, but just know that not all Calvinists hold the beliefs you described, and not all of them are arrogant and pushy either.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Absolutely! There are many calvinist that I know of who are willing to discuss tis topic. I believe it is an important topic, and we should continue to strive for the truth. Thank you for helping to keep the conversation open. 🙏

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Try to be Calvinist in the 1400s. 1300s. 1200s. And on back to 33 AD. Why is his name attached to novel theology; to "another gospel" which states that Jesus "might" love you"? Or that Jesus DOES love you, but God will destroy you anyway?

[@WhiteStoneName]

0:25 Also, me. 😜 The algo must have served me up your video because of the anti-calvinism. First time viewer here.

[@calledtobedifferent]

I'm glad you're here! Thanks for watching! God bless! 🙏

[@saradorris3554]

I go to a Reformed Baptist church who's learning more about Catholicism. My pastor said something that might be anti MacArthur, but he basically said that we are all chosen, but basically, we're choosing if we want to accept it or not.

[@calledtobedifferent]

You have a great pastor! Listen to him! He is right! We were all chosen when we were created in God's image! Calvinist say scripture is clear that we can't be drawn to Jesus unless the Father draws us, but they ignore scripture when Jesus said we will all be drawn to him when he is raised up. They love to lean on their T.U.L.I.P. system, but unless you believe all the letters, then the entire ideology falls flat. All you have to do is read the New Testament... it it filled with teachings that we must presevere until the end... Jesus himself says this time and time again! I think your pastor might be Catholic and not know it! 😂 Thank you for you comment! God bless! 🙏

[@calledtobedifferent]

Oh... and yes! Scripture is clear that the gift of salvation was something we did not earn but was freely given. I don't know about you, but if someone gets me a birthday gift... I didn't do anything to earn that gift, but I still have to accept it. A calvinist would say that's an act of work... but that's ridiculous. How else do you receive the birthday present other than to reach out and grab it! God gives... we just accept. Their will be people who choose not to accept that gift. A calvinist would said that person God did pick. What a sick way to view the very God who came down and died to save us all. 💔

[@TheRomans9Guy]

I can confirm, MacArthur is badly wrong and your pastor is brilliantly correct. Jesus and Paul were correcting the Jewish theological error that holds that they alone are elect of God, and that God hates all non-Jews. That is ridiculously false. God loves all people and Jesus and Paul taught everywhere that God chooses all people. See Matthew 22, Eph 1:11, 2:11-16, 3:6, and Rom 5:18, 10:11-13, and 11:32.

[@saradorris3554]

​@calledtobedifferent I can confidently say that he is definitely not Catholic. When I started to research Catholicism my pastor did a sermon on Mother Mary and how she would roll in her grave when she finds out about how people are exalting her. Our church is very sola Scriptura, which I don't believe.

[@DM-sj9xd]

Calvinism reminds me of being in school solving a complex math problem. You did everything logically right and you are sure you have the right answer. But then you find out you have the wrong answer and your answer is way, way, way wrong. It turns out one of your initial premises or calculations was wrong. Same with Calvinism, when you think you solved the puzzle of Christianity but you lost free will along the way, something is very wrong with one or more of your premises!

[@calledtobedifferent]

Amen! What a great way of looking at it! They are always making the worst arguments too! If you push back, even a little, they get all flustered and starting claiming "well we both love Jesus!" 🫠🤨 😂 Thanks for the analogy, I'll have to use it sometime! God bless! 🙏

[@TheRomans9Guy]

Yep. And the premise they get wrong, specifically, is they believe God chooses some people and not others. Arminians believe this too, they just differ with Calvinists on how God chooses. Good news, literally, is that is all false. God chooses and loves all people!

[@andrettanylund830]

Good for you. I respect you very much

[@calledtobedifferent]

Thank you! God bless!

[@theinvestigativemillennial9381]

What's ironic is that some Calvinists will say "I preach like a provisionist (Someone believing in Free-will) but I believe like a Calvinist". If you're theology has to be segmented like that.....then honestly it may be time to go back to the drawing board. I honestly won't lie I find Calvinists in many cases (Especially James White) as being pathologically obsessed with big words and cloaking so many of their beliefs in high sounding words that it just gets tedious and annoying in my view.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Yes... I don't understand how anyone can believe in Calvinism. It's incredibly mind blowing that anyone does. I have seen some James White debates. I can't believe anyone listens to him. He is so arrogant, it's hard to watch.

[@theinvestigativemillennial9381]

@@calledtobedifferent Yes he's seething with arrogance and pretentiousness

[@couriersix7326]

What is your problem with that statement? He believes in preaching the Gospel as if everyone can believe, which is what we should do, but still knows God is sovereign and has ultimately decided who can come to faith.

[@theinvestigativemillennial9381]

​@@couriersix7326because if it isnt true that anyone can ultimately believe it's not the truth and it makes God out to be disingenuous.

[@pemzenas]

I always find that when people argue against “Calvinism” it usually comes from a place of emotion, because imo, the human ego can’t abide the notion that there might be a Being in a place of higher authority than the ego itself… that is the underlying nature of sin.. So the Doctrines of Grace depose this and put God in His rightful place as sovereign ruler of creation and beyond. Revelation says that Glory, Honour, Power AND Salvation belong to the Lord our God. (Rev 19:1), (Rev 7:12). You have a lot of takes in this video, many of which are common enough objections to Calvinism… but every single one of them can be refuted by Scripture… you mention a lot of well read men… but never scripture itself which is another thing I tend to find… and since Calvinism is essentially just adherence to Scripture, it would make sense that you should use Scripture to refute it. Is God love? Yes absolutely He is… (1 John‬ ‭4‬:‭7‬-‭8‬) But is God also Just? Yes absolutely He is… (Ezekiel‬ ‭18‬:‭19‬-32‬) Does God hate sin? Yes absolutely He does… (The whole OT) Have not all mankind sinned and fallen short of the glory of God? Yes absolutely we have… (Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭23‬) Do any who are dead in sin seek for God? No, not one… ‭‭(Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬-‭12‬)… (So your notion of “He’s never gonna love you, no matter how much you love Him”, simply doesn’t exist. (1 John 4:10), (1 John 4:19)) Is it not the Father in sovereign mercy with sovereign grace that draws one unto salvation? Indisputably, it is… (John‬ ‭6‬:‭44‬) Is it not the Son in sovereign might with sovereign love that keeps His sheep, even leaving the 99 for the 1 lest the 1 be lost? Thank God, it is… ‭‭(John‬ ‭6‬:‭37‬-‭40‬) Is God not sovereign over everything doing what He pleases to whomever He pleases? Yes absolutely He is… ‭‭(Psalm‬ ‭115‬:‭3‬),‭‭(Psalm‬ ‭135‬:‭6‬), (Job‬ ‭23‬:‭13‬-‭17‬),‭‭(Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭17‬-‭18‬) But is God merciful to forgive our sins? This He is too… (Psalm‬ ‭112‬:‭4‬), (Joel‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬), (II Chronicles‬ ‭7‬:‭13-14‬), You might think we look at these verses through a “Calvinistic” lens… but when that just means reading Scripture as it is, in context and taking it at face value, Hebrew and Greek considered… you’d be hard pressed to convince me that there’s a better way of reading the Bible… Humanity has and always will exist at the mercy of God until the time comes to finally be reconciled to Him for all eternity. This is why life is precious and God is good… because if He wanted to He could send a meteor the size of Australia or pull us out of the Sun’s orbit sending us hurtling into the void… But He doesn’t… instead He descends His Throne and dies on the cross for sinners… Sinners of His choosing perhaps, but we have no notion as to how God chooses the people He saves (but I doubt it’s an arbitrary choice as someone in your comments said) … all we know is that He does the saving, that He wants all to come to a knowledge of the Truth and to repentance… and that none of us are entitled to His grace. At the beginning of your video you said you believe it’s The Holy Spirit that’s leading people to question Calvinism, so I assume that’s what you believe too, on an individual basis… but I would respectfully ask, how do you know it was the Holy Spirit and not just your own heart? Because the Bible says “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?”, Jeremiah‬ ‭17‬:‭9‬… Because mentioned more than once you are scared of raising your kids in a world in which Calvinism is taught doctrine… But God hasn’t given us a Spirit of fear, according to 2 Timothy 1:7… You then disparage Allie Beth and other Calvinists for their assurance of salvation and the boldness found therein!… for essentially displaying the fearlessness the Spirit brings, in which God wants us to live! The irony is, it’s the belief in the absolute sovereignty of God that allows us to live bold and fearless lives knowing He’s got our backs, and in faith, the backs too of our family members, be it against false doctrines or evil cultural influences! Incidentally when God saved me, my notions of what had happened were aligned with the Calvinistic understanding of salvation, before I even knew what Calvinism was… so I too believe it was the Holy Spirit who lead me down the reformed path… and it’s actually the modern Roman Catholicism that has essentially the same effect on me that Calvinism seems to have on you, haha. Sorry for going on for so long… I hope you read it all. God Bless.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Thanks for the comment! I will post a more in-depth video tackling the scripture side of things. I referenced people who I thought tackled that way better than I ever could and, therefore, would be more helpful. So please check them out as well. Truth of the matter is that calvinism wasn't a thing until the 1500's, it doesn't line up with the early church fathers' teachings, and it isn't scripture. It's reading into the text. It is a man made belief. My ego is continuously humbled by God. I dare to say the ones who believe in Calvinism think they are the 'elect' whats more egotistical than that?! 🤷‍♀️ thanks for keeping the conversation going. We all want the truth! God bless!

[@courtneyreeves7605]

I just have one thing. You say that it is God, the Holy Spirit that pulls us to him (John 6:44). While that is clearly true in scripture, who is to say that God doesn't pull everyone, perhaps some more than others, and everyone is at their own will to reply "yes" or "no"?

[@anthonyd4119]

SAINT IRENAEUS “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]). Saint Cyprian of Carthage “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]). Saint Optatus "You cannot then deny that you do know that upon Peter first in the City of Rome was bestowed the Episcopal Cathedra on which sat Peter, the Head of all the Apostles (for which reason he was called Cephas) ...that in this one Cathedra, unity should be preserved by all, lest the other Apostles might claim each for himself separate Cathedras, so that he who should set up a second Cathedra against the unique Cathedra would already be a schismatic and a sinner."-Against the Donatists 370 AD Saint Jerome “As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the church is built! This is the house where alone the paschal lamb can be rightly eaten. This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails.”- Letter to Pope Damasus 376 AD Saint Augustine “If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them [the bishops of Rome] from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it.’ Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement. … In this order of succession a Donatist bishop is not to be found” (Letters 53:1:2 [A.D. 412]). “I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.” Saint Ambrose of Milan “It is to Peter that he says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church’ [Matt. 16:18]. Where Peter is, there is the Church. And where the Church is, no death is there, but life eternal” (Commentary on Twelve Psalms of David 40:30 [A.D. 389]). Council of Ephesus “Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome], said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors’” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]). Council of Chalcedon “Paschasinus, the most reverend bishop and legate of the Apostolic See, stood up in the midst with his most reverend colleagues and said: We received directions at the hands of the most blessed and apostolic bishop of the Roman city, which is the head of all the churches, which directions say that Dioscorus is not to be allowed a seat in this assembly, but that if he should attempt to take his seat he is to be cast out." (Acts of the council session 1)

[@pemzenas]

@@calledtobedifferent Hmm, I would have to strongly disagree that Calvin’s theology is read into the Scripture tbh, I don’t believe you or anyone has the evidence to support this… much of it is pretty straightforwardly what is written down in the pages of Scripture… Calvin extrapolated his theology from what Scriptures said and simply explained it in his own writings… The same way the Trinity is never explicitly mentioned, but we know the Scriptures talk about it… early Church fathers extrapolated and wrote about it… does that mean that the doctrine of the Trinity is also merely a man made belief? And if so does that make it false? In your video you mentioned that we should always be opened to new insights revealed by God as time goes by… so the fact that Calvinism only arrived in the 1500s shouldn’t really matter… who’s to say that Calvin’s teachings were not those very insights that came at the necessary time, by God’s will because the RCC was straying too far from what many might consider to be orthodox… with God and Christ at the centre? Otherwise why would the Reformation happen at all, if all was well and good? Admittedly though I haven’t read any church fathers but I’ve got a few books waiting on my Audible I’m looking forward to starting… And I agree that Calvinism can undoubtedly be a slippery slope for people to become very conceited, I’ve seen it… and it’s something I daily have to fight off myself… but on the other hand the Catholic and Orthodox Churches that both, respectively, claim to be the one true Church also produce people who come come off as superior and conceited, looking down on Protestants because we worship in a way that they see as wrong… End of the day it’s a heart issue of the individual. The beauty of the Doctrines of Grace is that they remind us that we have no basis for being egotistical, that everything we are and the eternal life we have is down to God and God alone. This said, I don’t think that anyone who is in Christ should have any problem with referring to themselves as ‘elect’, per se since this is a word that Paul himself uses in his writings to describe, well, God’s elect, lol. Though I suppose there might be a difference in how the word is used between theologies and in certain circles. But thanks for replying. Here’s to the Truth 🙏🏾

[@pemzenas]

@@courtneyreeves7605 Yeah, it’s God the Father that draws us to Him according to John 6… Honestly I don’t think that God draws every single person at the same time… I don’t think there’s evidence of that in Scripture…. In fact I think the opposite is evident, that it’s likely that God leaves a lot of people, at least for a time, in their sin… According to Romans 1 every person knows about God on some level … but also according to Romans 1 the further a person gets away from God and the deeper into sin they get… the further away and the deeper still they become… up to the point that their heart is so hard that it’s not possible for them to come to God of their own free will… so it’s God who has to then draw them unto Himself at a time of His choosing… at which if God wants to save you, I believe it’s impossible to say no (this was my experience)… I suppose it’s possible that God draws certain people more that He draws others… or rather certain people He’s drawing are at different stages of the drawing process if you will… Like maybe someone in the early stages might receive a few samples of Grace here and there like God making himself known, which a person can either reject or accept as being the work of God… and those in the final stages will receive the Irresistibile Grace which can’t be refused… this would be the moment of regeneration leading to repentance of sins and conversion. Or if God wants to He could just send the saving Grace right off the bat… but these are just ideas that I don’t really have Scriptural basis for.

[@soteriology400]

The difference lies in taking a top down vs bottom up approach to scripture.

[@MaryAIbanez]

Allie Beth is probably the most arrogant of them all 🤦‍♀️ her comment section is always entertaining

[@calledtobedifferent]

She is very bold, that's for sure!

[@WhiteStoneName]

4:20 A lot of this has to do with differences in different strains of the reformed tradition. Check our Roy Clouser or thinkers from the Dutch tradition vs British Reformed types. Also, people like Karl Barth or TF Torrence are not your typical Calvinists. Or my fav (not completely sure he would fit as a Calvinist) but George MacDonald. He’s absolute gold. Everything he said that I’ve ever read is magic. And I wouldn’t identify as a Calvinist. I made a video on what I call PoS theology a while back, and…if you can guess, not a fan. Edit: my PoS theology chat, if you’re interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3WXqWmYaNmomNUsi=zAqkTUymR62ybgqw

[@Butonfly]

Do you have a problem with Reformed Theology in general, or just Calvinism in particular? Of the 5 points of Calvinism, which of them do you have a problem with? In this video, your two main points for disagreeing with Calvinism is "But what about Gods love?" and "The arrogance of Calvinists." Can you give some scriptural account of your disagreement of those particular points you have a problem with? I'm not a Calvinist but am interested in your objections. Perhaps another video? My surface take on Calvinists is that they take their Theology and Scripture very seriously.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Sure do! I can make another video explaining more to the scripture side of things, but since I didn't that was why I referenced people who are way smarter than me on this subject and have tons of videos on this subject. In short... Calvinist believe in T.U.L.I.P. Total depravity Unconditional election Limited atonement Irresistible grace Perseverance of the saints All of which are simply not biblical. I'll upload a more in-depth video on this next. Thanks for the question!

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

“God is not willing that any perish but that all come to repentance.” Calvinists say “you cannot overrule God’s will therefore this must mean God IS willing that some perish.” And this is what Calvinists do with every scripture that does not support their doctrine. “For God so loved the world…” Calvinists say “well God cannot love the world or else all would be saved therefore the word world must mean all Christians in the world, not all sinners.” “God demonstrates His love for us in that WHILE WE WERE SINNERS Christ died for us.” Calvinists say “well this means the elect sinners, not all sinners because Jesus did not die for all sinners, ‘He only lays down His life for the sheep.’” They keep doing this over & over until the whole Bible is changed to fit their doctrine. The reason Calvinists have to twist these scriptures is because if they don’t then they become universalists. If God is not willing any perish & no one can override God’s will then all would be saved.

[@timmysaxon-qe5of]

​@calledtobedifferent You're wrong on this when you say all points of tulip are wrong. Total depravity means no one is good, which is correct because there in no good in mankind. Perseverance of the saints is also biblical because you can't lose your salvation, read John chapter 15 it talks about the true vine. Let me just say to you the fact that you're talking about and you're worried about others I believe that is the Holy Spirit interacting with you. You wouldn't have these feelings if you were you weren't saved. Rest easy!!

[@lourdestf]

Idk if you read or heard Scott Hans and his wife journey to Catholicism, if not, I invite you to do it, it’s beautiful how him and his wife describe their journey that it wasn’t at the same time. God Bless you and your family

[@calledtobedifferent]

Thank you for the resource! I have watched a few interviews with him. I've heard their book is wonderful! I will have to check it out! God bless!

[@justinsmith7832]

I'm not a Calvinist, and to my knowledge I've never encountered or had a conversation with one, but the actual biblical take on it is a little more nuanced than just right or wrong. The bible does talk about a difference between predestination and free will, but predestination doesn't mean that you're turned into a mindless robot with no self-agency. It means that you're called to a purpose and you're going to fulfill that purpose no matter what your opinion is about it. Take Jonah for example. God set him on an assignment to travel to Ninevah - the capital of Assyria at the time which would go on to conquer Israel - and call them to repentance. Jonah instead went the exact opposite way to Tarshish. God then sent the fish (not whale, common misconception) to take him and spit him out on the shore of Ninevah. The Ninevites on the shore who worshipped Dagon - a fish God - saw this as a supernatural sign and took his warning about repentance seriously, so God's mission for Jonah succeeded. Even though Jonah learned his lesson and did as God had told him after the ordeal, he was still very unhappy about the Ninevite's repentance in Chapter 4. Jonah was predestined, but he still very much had his "free will". I assume this is where Calvinists site their belief in predestination. Romans 8:29 (KJV) - "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren". They're not technically wrong, even if they misunderstand the greater context of what that verse means. Also worth mentioning 8:30 - "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." The King James is very useful because it's directly tied to the Strong's Concordance. The Greek word for "predestinate" is προορίζω (G4039) with the definition to "predetermine, foreordain". This is the same exact Greek word that's also mentioned in the other passages that the KJV translates "predestinate" - namely Ephesians 1:5 and Ephesians 1:11. God said to Jeremiah in 1:5 (KJV) - “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” sanctified - קָדַשׁ (H6942) = "to be set apart or consecrated" ordained - נָתַן (H5415) = "to give, put, set (assign)" Our souls were created a long time before we were ever in our flesh bodies. God knew our spirit then and knew the ones he could count on to do this work, especially those that are set to witness against the false Christ that Jesus warned about in his parables in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21. These are the so-called "very elect". There are no souls walking this Earth today that have been sentenced to hell with no option for repentance. The only ones that have already been sentenced are Satan and his fallen angles. Satan has several names all throughout the bible, but one of them is the "Son of Perdition". Perdition means to perish, and this is why he was given that name. The fallen angles are those that followed him during first earth age when the "Katabole", or overthrow happened, and "The Dragon" (another one of Satan's names) took his tail and drew a third of the stars of heaven (God's children - Job 38:7) with him (Revelation 12:4 - past tense). Satan and his fallen angels left their first estate (Jude 1:6) and came to earth attempting to spoil the seed line (the line of David) that brought about Christ. This is why Satan tempted Even in the garden. If Christ didn't come about, there would be no salvation for anyone, so Satan and his angels attempted to condemn everyone of God's children to eternal death. This of course failed, but this is the reason God abolished Satan and his angles' opportunity for forgiveness and gave them the death penalty, even though this has been suspended until God is through with his purpose for them. The fallen angels are immediately killed when the true Christ's feet touch down on the mount of olives at the seventh trump (this is chronologically after the antichrist (instead of Christ) is on earth deceiving people into believing he's the real Christ.) Satan's death comes after the end of the 1000 year period in Revelation when he and those that still chose to follow him are cast into the lake of fire. (Because God is a consuming fire - Deuteronomy 4:24 - and is the only one that can destroy both the body and soul -Matthew 10:28). One last thing, about your comment of not knowing all the mysteries of the bible. Jesus stated in Mark 13:23 - "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

[@calledtobedifferent]

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[@justinsmith7832]

@@calledtobedifferent I get my information from an old scholar named E.W. Bullinger. He knew the Greek and Hebrew languages so well that Ginsburg trust him to proofread the Massorah.

[@maratrenzas673]

Existe la religion verdadera?

[@SurrenderNovena]

Sí, existe 🕊💙

[@maratrenzas673]

@@SurrenderNovena Como saber cual ?

[@SurrenderNovena]

@@maratrenzas673 Pídele a Dios en oración, mira al cielo por la ventana o cierra los ojos y pregunta: 1. "¿Quién eres?" 2. "¿Qué Iglesia tiene la plenitud de la verdad?" 3. "¿Dónde puedo encontrar el amor perfecto que nunca termina?"

[@maratrenzas673]

@@SurrenderNovena Sinceramente, la Biblia el unico lugar para conocer besos

[@maratrenzas673]

Doy por hecho que tienes Biblia (lea Juan 17;17) medite en ello

[@scientiasophia7396]

"Calvinists are arrogant, because they believe in a sovereign God." So catholics aren't arrogant, because they believe that man can make a positive effort for his eternal salvation? Seems to check out... When it comes to loving God, no man can do that. Only that which is born of the Spirit can love God (John. 3: 5 - 6; 1. John 4: 7 -12). If you hunger for righteousness, you ARE born of God and He HAS CHOSEN you before the foundation of the Earth. "And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved" Joel 2:32

[@calledtobedifferent]

Entirely incorrect. Pick up the Cathechism of the Catholic church. Also, we can absolutely love God without the spirit... Before the apostle received the spirit, Peter said he loved Jesus... John 21:15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” You do understand he CHOSE us ALL when he created us in his image, but we have to choose him too by accepting his free gift of salvation 🥴🫡 It's just bad theology, sorry. God bless! 🙏

[@scientiasophia7396]

@@calledtobedifferent We cannot love God by our own. We don't love God by our own. Many of Jesus' followers left him, but Peter didn't. This was, because Father had enabled him and disciples to come TO Jesus as this text speaks on the issue: John 6: 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.” 67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.” Spirit had not yet been given, but similarly Peter also confesses same in Matthew 16: 15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. As you can see, the flesh counts for nothing. It's the spirit that has to rescurrect people into life for them to have life in them. Catholics are synergists. That means that we humans have to co-operate with the grace of God given to us in the sacraments in order to receive that grace. God's true grace is sovereign and free. He gives it and no one can take it away. Not even the receiver himself, because his nature is transformed by the grace. God bless you too! I hope you come to understand these beautiful truths from the Bible 🙂

[@roarkependleton]

Either you've got to decanonize the book of John or you've got to acknowledge God's sovereignty as shown in John chapter 6. Either He draws or people make a decision. It's one or the other and John 6 is obvious.

[@calledtobedifferent]

No, sir. I just read it without the calvinistic goggles on. It's more helpful that way. Give it a go!

[@couriersix7326]

@@calledtobedifferent So what exactly is your interpretation of those passages that talk about predestination?

[@roarkependleton]

​@@calledtobedifferentso you attacked me personally instead of addressing the argument I made regarding the text. Do you know me? Do you know my story? How then do you make some sarcastic response about wearing calvinistic goggles? You don't even know whether I claim that label. Have I quoted Calvin? John 6:44 is pretty clear about how people are brought to Jesus. And it was pretty clear long before Calvin put a pen to paper about anything, let alone theology.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@roarkependleton Predestination is"biblical." DOUBLE predestination is 100% man-made and denies God's essence as love itself. It is typically dour European navel-gazing. If you had the complete Catholic/Orthodox canon, including the Wisdom of Solomon, you would not be confused.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@couriersix7326 TULIP = TUBAD for many.

[@Nygar1]

Its Your channel but its just your opinion if your going to argue this you have to show scriptural evidence of why this isnt true. There are alot of things in Bible we might not like but we have to accept it because its from God not by man.

[@calledtobedifferent]

I definitely will. It's absolutely unbiblical and untrue. Unless you read into the text more than what's actually there. Cherry picking the bible to fit your narrative is what calvinism does. The early church fathers would deny calvinism and did deny it. They fought against them, and we still fight against it now. Just because a view exists doesn't mean it's true. Unless you believe in all religions and views, and that's just nonsensical.

[@anthonyd4119]

SAINT IRENAEUS “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]). Saint Cyprian of Carthage “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]). Saint Optatus "You cannot then deny that you do know that upon Peter first in the City of Rome was bestowed the Episcopal Cathedra on which sat Peter, the Head of all the Apostles (for which reason he was called Cephas) ...that in this one Cathedra, unity should be preserved by all, lest the other Apostles might claim each for himself separate Cathedras, so that he who should set up a second Cathedra against the unique Cathedra would already be a schismatic and a sinner."-Against the Donatists 370 AD Saint Jerome “As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the church is built! This is the house where alone the paschal lamb can be rightly eaten. This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails.”- Letter to Pope Damasus 376 AD Saint Augustine “If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them [the bishops of Rome] from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it.’ Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement. … In this order of succession a Donatist bishop is not to be found” (Letters 53:1:2 [A.D. 412]). “I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.” Saint Ambrose of Milan “It is to Peter that he says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church’ [Matt. 16:18]. Where Peter is, there is the Church. And where the Church is, no death is there, but life eternal” (Commentary on Twelve Psalms of David 40:30 [A.D. 389]). Council of Ephesus “Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome], said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors’” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]). Council of Chalcedon “Paschasinus, the most reverend bishop and legate of the Apostolic See, stood up in the midst with his most reverend colleagues and said: We received directions at the hands of the most blessed and apostolic bishop of the Roman city, which is the head of all the churches, which directions say that Dioscorus is not to be allowed a seat in this assembly, but that if he should attempt to take his seat he is to be cast out." (Acts of the council session 1)

[@couriersix7326]

@@calledtobedifferent So Augustine is not an early church father? And your going to ignore all the passages from Jesus and Paul that pretty clearly speak of God's election? If we are "cherry picking" verses you should be able to explain the context of those verses and why they don't support a Calvinist view of predestination.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@couriersix7326 Augustine was really bad in many areas. Because he knew next to nothing about Jews or Judaism he completely misunderstood when Jesus and Paul were actually arguing against their doctrine of election, and instead Augustine thought they were establishing a new doctrine of election. It's really easy to make epic blunders when you're ignorant of context.

[@BenjaminRushton-hp5jl]

To say there is no vs in the Bible on Calvinist beliefs is wrong. John 6: 41-45 no one comes unless the Father draws him. I’m not a five point Calvinist but I see lots of scripture that God draws us to him self. We are not God so everyone that has put there faith in Jesus should share the good news Gospel. Christian share the gospel God is the one who saves and draws them to Him self.

[@calledtobedifferent]

That calvinism cherry picking at its finest... what about these verses in John 12... 30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now, the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” So can you conclude how God draws people to the son and how many he claims to draw?

[@TheRomans9Guy]

That's just a silly misinterpretation. Notice how nowhere in John 6 does it say God only draws SOME men. Yes only those who God gives to Jesus go to him, BUT God gives the ones who responded when he drew all men. Totally simple concept. You have to add stuff into John 6 in order to make it Calvinist. It's not in the text.

[@marcuslow1386]

​​@@TheRomans9Guyyes but the final choice still lies in man's hand. The question that needs to be ask then is , is God love and merciful? If yes then what does it mean?!

[@BenjaminRushton-hp5jl]

@@TheRomans9Guy I’m not sure how it’s a misunderstanding John 6: Jesus is saying to the Jewish people I’m the bread of life and that He came from heaven. They.were grumbling to them self because they didn’t believe Him. Then Jesus in vs 44 said no one can come unless the father draws him.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@marcuslow1386 the choice to have faith is in man’s hand. God is loving and merciful. What’s the question? God ha forgiven all sins, that’s pretty loving, removing the barrier and allowing all people to approach the throne.

[@Moriningland]

If people predestined then why on earth would you ever have children. You don’t know if they’re going to live short lives then be tortured by an evil deity so why would they risk it? It seems like god would encourage people to not have kids But, no disrespect to you, the same is true for a worldview where you go to hell based on something you’re required to believe. I think the idea of hell at all makes having sick and cruel. If I had a choice to exist and have the best live imaginable but I was told before I was born that there was a hell waiting for me if I wasn’t able to believe something, I’d use my free will to not want to even exist

[@couriersix7326]

Are you an athiest?

[@Moriningland]

@@couriersix7326 yes. Former Christian

[@couriersix7326]

@@Moriningland What denomination were you apart of out of curiosity? When did you leave the faith?

[@Moriningland]

@@couriersix7326 I was raised Baptist, but I was really just non denominations. I believed that I was a sinner and when Jesus died on the cross, my sins were placed on him and I was able to have forgiveness and if I believed with my heart and confessed with my mouth, I’d be saved. It was a slow process. It started in 2015 with the rise of trump (that got me questioning Christianity) and it was a slow process until I finally realized I was an atheist in August 2022. So it took about seven years

[@Moriningland]

@@couriersix7326 there’s still a small sliver in me that believes in jesus though. It’s strange and hard to explains it’s like when you love someone and break up there’s still a part of you that cares

[@voyager7]

I would urge caution in adopting a paradigm of determining what is true based on your "common sense" or what you can "buy into". When you bring up "God is love", you're totally right...but He is also holy and just. He's also sovereign. If we elevate or speak about His love in a way that negates or diminishes His perfection in other aspects, we risk speaking blasphemously, even though the attribute we're lauding (like love) itself is noble. The limit here is not His love, but human understanding. For example, one might argue that unless He saves EVERYONE, He's not truly loving, since love would (in our minds) do that. Yet we see clearly in scripture that NOT everyone will be saved. It's not because His love is insufficient but His justice is also equally true, worthy and eternal, and while He does not delight in the deaths of sinners, He IS glorified in their just judgement as well. As a Lutheran I'm not going to defend those aspects of Reformed (generally Calvinist) theology with which I disagree...but I will say that the election of grace is a Biblical doctrine that is somewhat left veiled into the inscrutable mind and will of God. We are not directed in scripture nor in the fathers to try and peer into the Lamb's book of life to see if our name is there and so finally believe that we're among the elect; we are directed to the Lamb Himself and to believe His words of promise, which is the gospel of our salvation for all mankind. Persevering to the end we confirm our call (not obtain it) and election.

[@hanng1242]

Are you saying that you would, “rather drink pure blood with the Pope than mere wine with the fanatics?”

[@voyager7]

@@hanng1242 Actually neither, though I catch the reference.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

But she's right. Common sense would tell you that when you said "one might argue that unless He saves EVERYONE, He's not truly loving" you were being foolish because there isn't really a single thing called "saving." What salvation is, is really a multi-step process. God creates man with free will and a sin nature, man sins, God forgives ALL men and gives ALL men the ability to surrender to him, repent and believe, those that do, to them God grants eternal life. All of this is the path to salvation. So when God forgives ALL men, he absolutely is treating all men fairly. And he doesn't force their obedience. And then to the ones who do surrender to his mercy, he grants eternal life because he is faithful with his promises. See? God is all loving after all! P.S.: The "election of grace" that you cite is an absolute, horrendous fiction. Completely anti-biblical.

[@voyager7]

@@TheRomans9Guy Wow. I've seen some people take a swipe at negating and denying the gospel of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith in Christ before, but this paragraph of yours completely takes the cake. Are you SURE Romans 9 is the chapter you want to identify with????

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@voyager7 So…when I said God gives grace to all people, and that man has to surrender and have faith, you think that nullifies the idea that salvation is by grace through faith? Rather than is the exact definition of it? Ok. And absolutely. Romans 9 is my area of expertise. Decidedly.

[@kalimatuhu]

Absolutely! Sam shamoun actively preach against calvinism

[@calledtobedifferent]

I'll have to check him out. Thanks for sharing a reference.

[@jsharp9735]

To me "Calvinism" is Calvin's way of explaining what's in the Bible and I think people end up arguing against a strawman of his explanation and get lost in the nuance of it. I don't see it as a "doctrine" him imposing this into the Bible, rather just a way of explaining what is in the Bible. The people you mentioned are Roman Catholics, so from the start they already believe in unbiblical things and act as if none of the early church fathers had opinions of the reformers and that the reformation was something "new", it wasn't. I'm open to being persuaded, but so far all of the arguments against Calvin seem like they go out of their way to not get the nuance going on with free will and the like. If you read your Bible enough you will eventually see the things Calvin is pointing out is in there. Read or listen to your Bible daily. I think if RC can justify some of the practices they do when the Bible is actually against it or isn't there on very simple things, then this topic will never be understood from a Roman lens. Now consider this for a second, when you know the Roman catholic church narrative of the "one true church" led by the Holy spirit......why is your Jesuit pope contradicting Jesus now ? I hope you don't mute the holy spirit on that.

[@calledtobedifferent]

@shamlesspopery podcast did a beautiful job of showing the issues with calvinism. I don't care if it's a protestant or a Catholic who presents the truth... as long as facts are presented and in my search on this teaching the ones who believe it... well, their teachings fall flat. If you are truly open to the truth, then you can't deny the facts put forth. I suggested the ones I suggested not because they are Catholic but because they were the most helpful for me. @counseloftrent @howtobechristian @soteriology101 I believe Leighton Flower is a protestant, and his agreements are 💯. Calvinism is not biblical. It's created.

[@jsharp9735]

@@calledtobedifferent I've seen it and I don't think he did. RCC has problems and they don't acknowledge them and can't be corrected when they get things wrong because they laud their magistrates false authority OVER scripture. He acted as if predestination can't be true because nobody talked about it for 400 years....other than Paul and Jesus. Yet you could make that same type of argument because the concept of the trinity wasn't formulated till hundreds of years later even though its always been in the Bible. "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6: 44. Flowers actually said a few months ago that if this is the direct action of God then TULIP is true. Which makes him right on the bleeding edge of being a "Calvinist", even though he doesn't agree with it. We have free will within an overall superstructure designed by God and at the end of the day He can do whatever He wants however He wants. Also remember we only have a limited perspective compared to God. How could we act as if we know what He should do and why in his overall design. We are the creation, not the creator. This is what I mean by all of the critisism seems to be a strawman of what Calvin is saying. "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory." Romans 9: 21-23. This is a nuanced topic. However some things are absolutely so simple yet RC still disobey Jesus. Things like WHO to pray to and how for example. I just don't think when RCC get something so simple so wrong and then invent and entire dogma around Mary and other things have any room to wag the finger on what is false doctrine or not. Especially when just a plain reading of the text says what it says and Calvin's explanation lines up with it. I'll ask you this though, if pre-destination is true, would you not be a Christian anymore ? Would that all the sudden make Jesus not who He said He is and why what He did true ?

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@jsharp9735I’m perfectly fine with God being who God is. I allow scriptures to teach me who God is. Not a man named Calvin. Not a pope. The Holy Spirit teaches me all things because the Holy Spirit inspired scripture. The very first thoughts that came to mind when I learned that Calvinists believe God purposely destroys some humans by His own will: 1. God is love 2. God is not willing that any perish 3. God so loved the world Calvinists fail miserably at explaining these away & the bottom line is they end up making God a liar. Just like those who reject the Truth & perish because they reject the gospel, not because God doesn’t want them to hear & be saved by it, but because THEY loved darkness rather than light. What Calvinists teach is the same darkness, that God is not love, Jesus did not die on the cross, & God wants men to perish. All lies. The truth is not in them.

[@jsharp9735]

@@BingoNamo-gb8pz "I’m perfectly fine with God being who God is." Are you though ? Because it seems to be the pot rebuking the potter here because God might not behave exactly the way you want Him to. Do you have all the information God has and why He makes the decisions He does ? How do you square away the Romans verse I mentioned ? God is love and may not wish that any perish, but He is still a God of Justice and a God of wrath. If they loved darkness rather than light even after being told and still reject Him, the totality of all the decisions within the range of our free will simply means they were not part of the elect. The nuance is they always had this choice to accept him. Inversely, think of the people that DO accept Jesus only to fall away and reject him later. The totality of it all means they were never part of the elect either. He who has ears let them hear and Jesus said my sheep hear my voice.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@jsharp9735 listen carefully. They perish because they reject the truth. The truth doesn’t change. The truth is that God loves everyone & Jesus died for everyone to reconcile everyone back to God & give everyone eternal life. You either believe the truth. Or you deny the truth & “make God a liar.” What Calvinism does is CHANGE the truth. They say God DOESN’T love everyone, Jesus DIDN’T die for everyone, God DOESN’T want all to have eternal life. If you don’t see it you don’t see it…

[@couriersix7326]

The Calvinist view of predestination is Biblical. It is pressing against you because you hold your idea of free will above God's will. I don't believe God predestines people to hell, that would be double predestination. I believe he simply leaves people in their sin. God is sovereign over everything. What denomination are you exactly, and how do you interpret the parts of scripture Like Romans chapter 8-9, Ephesians ch. 1, and John chapter 6?

[@calledtobedifferent]

Then why was the teaching on it non-existence in Christianity prior to the reformation?! 🤷‍♀️ Strike that it was originally a gnostic view that creeped in. Absolutely unbiblical.

[@couriersix7326]

@@calledtobedifferent Augustine of Hippo also taught similar things over 1000 years before the reformation. That's where Calvin and the reformers received a lot of influence.

[@couriersix7326]

@@calledtobedifferent Also define what you consider Gnostic.

[@jsharp9735]

@@calledtobedifferent Jesus and Paul talks about it....

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@couriersix7326there’s no point in having any instructions from the apostles if God’s will overrides man’s will. Read 1 Peter 4: “no longer live as the gentiles WILL but for the will of God.” Clearly a choice. Christians are being instructed not to do the will of gentiles but the will of God. And every letter is written in such a way. DO this. NOT this.

[@jeffkerr6098]

Low end

[@davidcrane6593]

How do people believe Mary is sinless? ..................She implies her sin when she rejoices in Jesus her Saviour-->................Luke 1:47 KJV - And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

[@calledtobedifferent]

Because she's the new ark of the covenant. Check this out... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ7MmmOwh7CDa6Msi=ZcjkRpr2UaLO9ThB God bless! 🙏

[@davidcrane6593]

@@calledtobedifferent so many nutjobs... so little time.

[@calledtobedifferent]

​@@davidcrane6593 Funny you say that... your protestant forefathers believed these things about Mary. 🫣🫡 Seems silly that you don't.

[@davidcrane6593]

@@calledtobedifferent with so many whackie doodle protestants that come up with so many different whackie ideas i just test the spirits(ideas) against what is clearly written as The Lord instructs ALL Christians to do-->[1Jo 4:1 KJV] 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

[@mikklecash6046]

Mary was preserved from the stain of sin from the moment of her conception through the merits of Jesus (his life, death and resurrection). Now I can imagine you saying that when Mary was born Jesus hadn't done this yet.... if so it's clearly too much for you...

[@bullphrogva1804]

This chick just invoked How to be Christian, the king of strawmen arguments.

[@EJCox]

I do believe John Macarthur actually did a sermon wherein he tackled the topic of pedestination vs. Free willl. Ultimately they both exist together and it is one of the great mysteries of God. I do get frustrated that you speak several times on the supposed arrogance of calvinists. But here in the comments you are making statements that are pretty arrogant against men like Dr. MacArthur. I understand you disagree with him and he is not perfect, but he has been studying the bible for over 50 years. Longer than you or I have been alive. And any stance he takes he takes because he is concerned about spreading the word of God. Same with RC Sproul, Steven Lawson, etc. Predestination is a biblical doctrine plain and simple. I leave with this verse from Romans. ‭Romans 8:29-30 NKJV‬ [29] For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. [30] Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. We make the decision to follow, but He chose to reveal Himself to us long before!

[@calledtobedifferent]

First, I'd like to say the pharisees studied scripture more than the apostles. So what?! Jesus chose the ones who would listen to him and his teachings. 2nd, all calvinist like to pretend like they can have their cake and eat it too, but it doesn't work that way. John MacArthur is arrogant, but if you want to follow him blindly and not investigate his theology, then that's your choice. I prefer to educate myself. "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble"... I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm always right. That's called pride, but Calvinist are. Please look into the church history this heresy has been fought against for a long time. It's nothing new. Best of luck with your search. God bless! 🙏

[@EJCox]

@@calledtobedifferent Again, you provide no Scripture to base your claims. None. All I see are a bunch of people speaking on God's character without using the document He gave us to describe His character. Second, I do not blindly follow John MacArthur or any preacher for that matter, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or otherwise. I have in other conversations pointed out that I dislike that MacArthur back in the 70's would have people removed from the church for not wearing a coat and tie. If we are going to bring up Pharisees a Catholic should not be talking. The Catholic churches history is replete with examples far worse. I.e. the Inquisition. I had an uncle who was a Catholic priest who did prison time for molesting altar boys and stealing money. You speak of me blindly following someone yet many in the Catholic church have worked to actively cover up and discount these blatant sins.. There is no denomination that is free from heresy or evil. That is why I will not label myself one way or the other except for Christian. I am saved by the precious blood of Jesus. That is the only way I am getting into heaven.

[@pathue1196]

​@@EJCox "JESUS ONLY" REDUCTIONIST Faith is Unbiblical REPEAT - "Jesus only" reductionist faith is unbiblical. Jesus` death on the cross gives us eternal life yes, but we nd to abide in Jesus as we live our daily lives here on earth awaiting the day our Lord calls us home to Him. Jesus said, 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life' - we need to walk the Way of Jesus, living in His Truth and imitating His Life. Jesus also said unless we eat his flesh & drink his blood we have no life nor will we be raised on the last day (John6v31-57)

[@pathue1196]

​@@EJCox Jesus only reductionist faith is umbilical... Jesus tells us to live our faith in good works (Matt25v31-46) Jesus gave us His Church (Matt16v18-19) Jesus gave us a teaching authority (Matt28v20) Jesus gave us a prayer (Matt6v9-13) Jesus gave us His Mother to be our Blessed Mother (John19v26-27) Jesus proclaimed His Kingdom and called us to daily conversion (Matt5v3-12) Jesus called us to abide in in Him as He abides in us (John15) Jesus tells us not to be ashamed of all he taught us, not to be ashamed of His words (Luke9v26) Jesus promises us that if we live in His word, His Truth will set us free (John8v31-32)

[@pathue1196]

​​​ Jesus only reductionist faith is unbiblical... Jesus prayed for US TO BE ONE even as He and the Father are one (John17) JESUS ALSO SAYS TO GO TO HIM FOR Life instead of searching the Scriptures to give us life (John5v39-40) So, which church does all of this - walking daily in His Way, Living His Truth & imitating His Life, Re-presenting His One Time Sacrifice on the Cross to His Father in Heaven 24/7 across the globe, doing good works throughout the world, is One Body in Christ, is His Universal Church, His Bride and has faithfully taught His Truth for 2,000 yrs and faithfully fed His sheep our Lord's Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity? THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.