How China's fentanyl became the 'most deadly drugs crisis' on US streets

Fentanyl kills 200 people a day in America, a deadly epidemic felt throughout the country. We trace the journey of chemicals from China, to the drug labs of Mexico to the streets of the United States. Can the tide be stemmed?
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[@Jay...777]

Four questions on China, multiple references about China, but not a word on Perdue or the Sackler's

[@chadder7848]

NYT is the propaganda war machine, it lied about the Hamas R@pe story and many more. Now it is manufacture consent to start war with China! WW3 is coming?

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

When doctors in US stopped prescribing opiates for pain then fentanyl filled the void.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

OxyContin

[@MakerInMotion]

Well they were prescribing opioids for tooth aches and back pain when its meant for people who are dying.

[@zionisthindurepublican7989]

​@@MakerInMotionare you a qualified physician ?? If so are you trained in pain management ??? I didn't think so ...

[@MakerInMotion]

@@zionisthindurepublican7989 Tell me you're on pills without telling me you're on pills. Help is available. And yes I'm way more qualified than you because I'm not hooked on pills.

[@EroticOnion23]

99% of "physicians" are just pharma-salesmen now...😂

[@joelharris4399]

The paradox of living in the wealthiest nation in the world and then succumbing to an unhappiness epidemic rooted in pain

[@SandyWolf-]

Well said 😔

[@joelharris4399]

@@SandyWolf- It's the stone-cold truth

[@ChA0s_AgeNt]

Distribution of $ be matterin', mane?

[@AnthonyCarroll-ue3uv]

Individualism in a late stage capitalism. We have been trained by advertising and media to be our 'best selves', to be anything we want to be, to be images of ourselves ,but not to trust our fellow citizens, our neighbours or even our own families.

[@joelharris4399]

@@AnthonyCarroll-ue3uv Well said. The gist of what you're saying was brilliantly captured in a 2002 BBC documentary, The Century of the Self.

[@user-um5le5io5v]

if doctors inside the states get bonus for prescribing opioids DOES NOT MATTER where they come from, but laboratories produce more than 70% inside the nation, of course they pay taxes.

[@delir.6488]

USA doctors long time ago lost morals and Ethics in their job...

[@dirktheodale7066]

Job losses.... hopelessness... rampant house prices... rampant inflation.... who knew.

[@terrywilson1002]

Solution.STOP BUYING IT.

[@robertsquared2916]

Problem is people don’t know they are taking it, my friend was addicted to oxycodone, one day he was sold fake oxi with feytnal in it.. and that was it. Gone 15 months.

[@Lololeelee]

👍 ok

[@OddRagnarDengLerstl]

In this logic the ironworks making the steel for the guns are responsible for killings, not the person who shot? Typical American exceptionalism.

[@jogana6909]

Fentanyl is used as medicine in more than 100 countries, but it is abused only in the United States. So whose problem is this?

[@JohnSmith-fl6qd]

My beautiful son died 2 years ago from a fentanyl overdose

[@Starfish2145]

I’m so sorry 😢

[@user-qj5se9mm7b]

What No parent should endure. My deepest sympathy 😢

[@pontusmalmstrom1055]

I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. ❤

[@JohnSmith-fl6qd]

@@Starfish2145 thank you

[@JohnSmith-fl6qd]

@@user-qj5se9mm7b thank you

[@dormoisjean-pierre1436]

Thanks to Times Radio for introducing us overseas listeners to the "rich tapestry" of regional accents in the UK and reminding us that the global lingua franca spoken daily by 2bn people worldwide originated in these "small islands;" Just love those rolled Rs😉

[@ticcusagram]

Modern chemical warfare

[@StimParavane]

Perhaps if US society wasn't so sick their young people wouldn't need to drug themselves.

[@Jueyes-vg2gb]

Too bad its not China doing it, if it were id be mad, but its our own leaders/elite, they are the ones importing fent over the border and dont want the border closed, its not China. And I am no fan of China but thats the truth

[@jamesmichaeljean7840]

They are made in the USA also, it's not illegal to buy the precursor from China if you have paperwork.

[@Jueyes-vg2gb]

@@jamesmichaeljean7840 Its not China anyway its our own government. They have been pumping drugs into poor black and white communities for years and they love making them hate each other too

[@chadder7848]

It is propaganda! India exported as much or more fentanyl precursor ingredients, did it mentioned India? No, because India is our ally! Fentanyl is made in Mexico, south America and in the US!

[@JoseFernandez-cp3cv]

I JUST GOING SAY WHY.BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR WHAT YOU do willingly. I been living on the US for 40 years never have touch drugs.with my hands

[@kevinclasher3160]

Not even paracetamol?

[@sharefail]

Taken the MSM a while to wake up to this

[@ScottMcMaster-er4xj]

Have a look at Rat Park a study by Canadian psychologist Bruce K. Alexander in 1978. This study shows the role of the environment and social interaction on addictive behavior. It went a long way to debunking the chemical anchor theory of addiction. In the study rats were given The key discovery from the Rat Park experiment was that healthy social interaction significantly affected addiction. Rats were given a choice between regular water and morphine laced water. When in an unhealthy environment without social interaction the rats opted for the morphine laced water. When placed in Rat Park with a fun environment to explore and with other rats to interact with and properly socialize with, the rats stopped drinking the morphine laced water and overwhelmingly opted just for regular water. The findings showed that Rats in a supportive community were less likely to choose the morphine-laced water. This strongly refuted the chemical anchor theory of addiction.

[@enzoh7763]

ha ha ha , , study after study , , mostly funded / financed by "interested" parties .. .

[@daramy9507]

​@@enzoh7763- it does not matter who funds the study only that the researchers are unbiased.

[@enzoh7763]

@@daramy9507 ,, Ha ha ha ,, So smart , very smart . Have a good day . Btw , Since you're the smart one , Go do a research and ask them for "continuous" findings and grant . You'll get very far .

[@samsungtap4183]

Self medication in a world where millions of people can't cope.

[@pontusmalmstrom1055]

​@@enzoh7763 Since you're so smart, please explain who the "interested parties" looking to promote pure water in favour of morphine laced water might be?

[@monketstyling]

Blaming China for your problems, again?

[@MakerInMotion]

The cartels can't make fentanyl without Chinese ingredients.

[@lauriebarns9901]

Key driver for Chinese ingredient suppliers is that it circumvents ccp ban on yuan exchange. Suppliers buy ingredients in yuan and get paid in dollars (outside China).

[@julianshepherd2038]

They mostly sell legal precursors now.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Cartels hired chemist's to do the work in Mexico.

[@syon600]

A weird camp full of Chinese migrants was seen by a biologist doing his own research along durian gap, to be filtered into other migrants entering usa via south

[@John-mf6ky]

Exactly, or the Chinese will send a bunch of cheap goods that can be sold in Mexico.

[@John-mf6ky]

​@@julianshepherd2038 no need, they just needed a chemist to teach them the process.

[@jamesmichaeljean7840]

Imagine blaming another person or country for your addiction problems. 😢

[@Norwegian733]

Chinese troll. China is doing this on purpose. Do you get more pay as a propaganda troll during weekends?

[@htee7426]

Well, apparently, it’s nothing to do with America and everyone else’s fault!!

[@user-hc9lp3hb1r]

Imagine smuggling in a toxic chemical or biowarfare agent into an opposing country and killing it's citizens? Sounds like an act of war to me. The Russians use Novichok and the Chinese use Fentanyl.

[@milo-qh7cv]

well this is being target to bring down the west just like covod was used to bring down the world

[@gregmcqueen4540]

It’s called Genocide to feed Fentanyl to the citizens of your country in exchange for money 💰 to fill Bidens deep pockets He is corrupt beyond belief but who’s going to rebel??? Society is TOO WEAK AND TOO DUMB TO realize what’s happening

[@sherrillwhately7586]

I must lead a sheltered life. I live in Arizona and have never known anyone affected by Fentanyl, I just heard about it on the news.

[@stpfs9281]

Comfortable life, fresh air, freedom.

[@enzoh7763]

you are lucky . stay healthy .

[@paulinenolan7979]

You need to open eyes and get out more

[@paulinenolan7979]

Very serious 100,000 per year due of drug overdose - government need to do something about it - stop warmongering and concentrate on the American people

[@enzoh7763]

@@paulinenolan7979 ,, So nice of you , Volunteering to be his tour guide visiting Injection sites

[@davidinmossy]

Instead of the authorities in the US panicking and taking everyone off their scripts they should have set up recovery programs for people wanting to come of the tablets or simply keep taking it. Opiates don't damage any internal organs. Its the lifestyle/ bad injecting technique and accidental over dose that gets you. But they didn't do that they paniced and caused all this mess 🙄

[@shainemaine1268]

I've always said they don't seem particularly unhealthy by themselves... they'll never listen until THE PEOPLE actually stand up and take our power back.

[@kokeskokeskokes]

Sorry, you lost Afghanistan, opiates bye bye.

[@kokeskokeskokes]

@@shainemaine1268 True. You could grow your own. But UN won't allow the US to. UN that US had founded. Can't be comprehended even with all the logic in the World.

[@davidelliott5843]

Afghan products don’t need to reach USA.

[@davidinmossy]

@@davidelliott5843 dont confuse him he thinks the USA is the centre of the Universe.

[@user-vv7qu2ws8n]

Any mother/father’s worst nightmare 😢 sending to you a big cosmic hug ❤ for your heart wrenching void

[@Ryan-Fkrepublicnz]

Xi: 'It is working.....'

[@Auriflamme]

The one and only policy of his that actually works...

[@xinpengwang-vq7yy]

你让我们卖给你药，你们自己不管控用法，非把这个当毒品用。然后怪中国给你们药。这很难评。

[@paulwally9007]

He certainly benefits from it. And since he benefits from it, he certainly supports it. The CCP has no sense of morality.

[@yfelwulf]

SEE this guys a 🤡

[@trungson6604]

China only sells the chemical precursors that can be also used to make many other chemicals and legal drugs. If they can't buy from China, the Mexican cartels will buy them elsewhere.

[@seasonmists]

Interesting that Xi said in his last visit to America that China would help the US to deal with the drug problem. It's not a Chinese drug, and China supplies the chemical to all countries. It's interesting America sees it a good policy not to blame the importing country but the supplier of one ingredient.

[@naguoning]

The difference is the Mexican government is not complicit in the trade where as the Chinese government is.

[@seasonmists]

@@naguoning I disagree. The finished drug comes from Mexico, not China. The chemical China sells can be used for anything, not just the drug.

[@seasonmists]

@@naguoning China can sell garlic to America and still be seen as a threat. America is determined to single out China because it is a big force in the international community to stand for interests and human rights for developing countries. If not for China Gaza ceasefire would not happen in the UN. The weaker countries would have to be suppliant to western powers for fear of retaliation.

[@naguoning]

Not exactly. These are usually restricted substances because although they can have legitimate uses they also have dangerous uses. This happens with other things in other countries too (eg dynamite can be used in mining but also in crime). Normally you need proof of legitimate purpose, to track the use of etc. The problem is China just allows these chemicals to be easily sold to what it views as enemy states. If you are familiar with the Chinese idea of unrestricted warfare (超限戰) you will know and understand that this is how the CCP government is operating now. The DPRK is even worse in this respect but has less power/exports to be able to do this.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@seasonmistsfor anything?

[@user-oi2rd8yl2u]

Consumption of drugs is also a grave crime, in Singapore there are no drugs due to death penalty. Chasing the providers and leaving the addicts unpunished is useless.

[@themusicgaragetmg2330]

Lol... really?? Yet every month there are drug mules hanged, people imprisoned but you actually think they is no drugs in singapore, tells you the state run mass media's narrative is bought hook nail and sinker by the average person

[@user-hc9lp3hb1r]

Singapore is barbaric.

[@s._3560]

You never read ST lately???

[@user-oi2rd8yl2u]

ST?@@s._3560

[@user-oi2rd8yl2u]

ir?@@s._3560

[@gregmcqueen4540]

This is really SAD 😔!!!

[@htee7426]

Telling people not to take drugs … most people know smoking isn’t good first you, being obese, taking no exercise etc - all bad. A few people listen but most don’t.

[@stevetorres76]

Countries can bring drugs to the United States but they cant force the people to use it. They use it by choice. That's the biggest problem.

[@pontusmalmstrom1055]

So many people disappointed about not being Kardashians, thinking it's what counts and what it takes to be happy. Might as well slip into a haze...

[@chrisschneiders6734]

What goes around comes around Unfortunately!

[@orangutan4696]

China used to be a major supplier of fentanyl, and the U.S. has credited Beijing for a 2019 crackdown that led to “a drastic reduction in seizures of fentanyl shipments.

[@Triplejtriplem]

May be the food too. Scary.

[@AnthonyCarroll-ue3uv]

Google Albania gangs in South America 🤷

[@davidelliott5843]

Not to mention the Albanian gangs have local markets in Europe and London.

[@jamesmichaeljean7840]

It's in your water.

[@VL-inquisitor]

In terms of the blaming game, it has already been started. Sanctions have been levied on Chinese companies producing legitimate products used in the drug industry such as pills encapsulating machines, weighting scales, sealing equipment, and mixers. By the way, China is doing a legal business producing and exporting fentanyl precursors for medical use as do the like of India, Canada, Turkey, Germany, and of course, the USA.

[@hylimm]

Looking for scapegoat

[@So-Be-It_85949]

The Most Deadly Drug Crisis

[@boota1979]

Fentanyl was first synthesized by Paul Janssen a Belgian in 1959 and was approved for medical use in the United States in 1968. Fentanyl poses an exceptionally high overdose risk in humans, since the amount required to cause toxicity is unpredictable and was known in 1968. But apparently China are to blame, pull the other one!!!!

[@user-hc8ki1rl4t]

Hey, everyone! A Chinese man still has a job in China! Wow! Good trolling. Zero integrity! Wonderful!

[@giorgiaciuti938]

🎯

[@user-hc8ki1rl4t]

@@giorgiaciuti938 Another 20 social credits. bull's-eye

[@angusp5178]

A comment utterly devoid of logic

[@NapoleonGelignite]

There’s a difference between an operating theatre and someone taking fentanyl unknowingly in a home/social situation.

[@raiconlan1]

darren stallcup is the top fentanyl journalist on the ground

[@tanchye1720]

‘It’s China’ Trump’s favourite remark. Instead of blaming others, ban the drugs, ban firearms. Have strict control over it. Why America is not be able to do that.

[@les8518]

Most of you making comments on here . Have not got a clue what you are talking about.

[@hubertussuppenstiefel5590]

5:12 after the party there is the hangover.

[@Ok_yes_its_me]

Except for the dead.

[@mathelga]

Reminds me of what Britian did to China, not so long ago!

[@hm-ys4ym]

Nike, Apple and the NBA

[@PeterHalliday-lp4uk]

Don't take them

[@IndianGeopolitics]

Ex CIA Agent makes Big Claim about India | Should India worry about USA ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmjOopWlo9V-l9k

[@VonEveric]

At 16:30 , here we have your typically Englishman covering for China as to appear " reasonable "

[@dmitryletov8138]

And of course not US is in charge. Protect the ducking borders

[@COURRUPTIONCOIN]

Like.............U S. Citizens have never been acted directly upon by........own Gov.

[@Flyinghigh3597]

There was nothing to feel sad about !

[@PeterHalliday-lp4uk]

Ridiculous

[@htee7426]

Get real - why should China care less about US citizens who decide to take drugs - in fact, if you watch their reporting - they seem to enjoy seeing the breakdown of US society.

[@tengchuankhoo6585]

Times is truly high on drugs 😂

[@Zhang319]

Learning from Jardine and British Hong Kong I guess.

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

Haha! Ohh this is going to be so much fun watching the Chinese blame everyone else but themselves for this. You've spent decades crying about your "century of humiliation" neurosis and continually dragging up events from ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY YEARS ago but now you're getting caught killing hundreds of thousands of people all of a sudden it's ok because someone else dealt drugs in the 19th century

[@user-vv7qu2ws8n]

It’s getting everywhere & after 17 in the pharmacy dispensary have seen how hard it is to get a legitimate prescription for this end of life pain relief. It’s only on the streets because of unlicensed labs making Molotov mixes to further depopulate our world. Atrocities everywhere we look 👀 pray 🙏 for us in unity & for times the tables changing. ❤💙🙏🌏🌍🌎💫

[@pontusmalmstrom1055]

"...a legitimate prescription for this end of life pain relief..." Are you for real???

[@Revel136]

Pure bs

[@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum]

So you're not aware of the "no limit warfare" doctrine of China's military and political elite?

[@xijinping4463]

Don’t do drugs kids😂

[@harryjones5260]

H R Giger predicted this years ago

[@Sonic32084]

What I found most incredible about this whole video, was the fact uncle Joe sniffy managed to string that whole sentence together! Amazing! 👏

[@julianshepherd2038]

Europeans seem to avoid methamphetamine and fentanyl.

[@Marco-te9ns]

That's because China are targeting America

[@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage]

Unfortunately not. Normally we are several years behind.

[@davidelliott5843]

Today we have less of it. But open borders (just like USA) leave us wide open to the same track.

[@Marco-te9ns]

@@davidelliott5843 it's not just borders but Europe aren't specifically targeted like America

[@justmenotyou3151]

You don't have Mexico on your border.

[@4DCResinSmoker]

Why isn't China being sanctioned for this?

[@chadder7848]

Because the world might laugh at the US for not taking their own responsibilities and blame their own problem on everybody else? Why don't the US also sanction China for the steel they export to the US to make bullets and guns that killed so many Americans? The US also said the Chinese garlics, microwave, TV are spying on Americans too.

[@michaelmichaels-tw7wd]

Excellent Pod Cast Critically Serious societal & Economic problem for the USA Mexico must be earning hundreds of millions in foreign currency from this.

[@Discovery2024-rn8kn]

Well considering the US dumped millions of firearms and weapons into Mexico for decades, tilting the balance of power in favour of cartels - backfired badly. I sense a pattern...Afghanistan and Talibans.

[@johnjdumas]

We could go to a flat tax with a large standard deduction for all entities with an alternative of 1/2 as a basic income. All money not retained for business purposes should be taxed over the standard deduction. This would be mostly paid by shutting down government programs which would now be redundant duplicate efforts. Catastrophic medical bills over 4 times the the standard deduction would be paid by the government.

[@davidelliott5843]

Too complicated. However the British method of healthcare on demand has created a national sickness service with a country attached. It really is a bottomless pit with endless scams by people claiming to be “disabled”.

[@pontusmalmstrom1055]

Now that's a technocrat on fentanyl! 😂😂😂

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Wait, prince died from Drugs?

[@kyawkyawaung498]

Lol. Poor sys blam other.

[@BrentRichards-vp1cg]

President She uses the right pronoun.🗽🙋🇺🇸™

[@silvertone1]

Oh boy aren't you a pretty one to be talking about pronouns...lovely locks darling...you look like an old woman yourself.

[@pontusmalmstrom1055]

Are you trying to turn this into a gender issue?

[@jmcw9632]

Terrible

[@gaspode505]

Why get to the US? There are plenty of areas in UK same problem.

[@frankm6218]

Bs.

[@AnthonyCarroll-ue3uv]

I love when Times Radio tries to do empathy. 😂

[@ragingmonk6080]

Yeah they are homeless but they can afford this habit.

[@jim-kp5he]

do you know a $10 drug is cheaper than a house?

[@jim-kp5he]

physical and psychological addiction to powerful drugs is not the same as a "habit".

[@ragingmonk6080]

@@jim-kp5he $10 how many times a day, every day of the week. Yeah, math can be difficult for some people.

[@jim-kp5he]

@@ragingmonk6080ignorance and arrogance comes easy for some people. your uninformed opinion is meaningless

[@stpfs9281]

@@ragingmonk6080Americans have never understood the decimal point. :)

[@guydreamr]

The solution is simple: decriminalization if not outright legalization, along with sensible regulation and providing adequate services like treatment on demand. Both Portugal and Switzerland have amply demonstrated the success of this approach. The United States tried banning a drug already, it's called alcohol. How'd that work out?

[@Ok_yes_its_me]

Oregon has gone in that direction and it's gone horribly wrong. Normally I favour decriminalisation of drugs. But fent is a monster. Switzerland and Portugal don't have fent yet.

[@guydreamr]

@@Ok_yes_its_me Oregon has gone wrong for a simple reason: unlike Portugal and Switzerland, no treatment on demand services were rolled out along with decriminalization. ("How Oregon Became a Linchpin for the Country’s Drug Policies," NYT). Decriminalization, if properly implemented, simply works. Finally, what is your source that there is no Fent in Portugal or Switzerland?

[@MeiinUK]

It is a potent brain damaging drugs cos it is higher than anything...

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

That's a lie, Portugal has huge problems with addicts. Why do you need treatment when people shouldn't becoming addicts in the first place? South Korea and other East Asian nations don't have these problems because they don't let them start in the first place

[@guydreamr]

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp "That's a lie" No need to be rude. Ever heard of civil discourse? You may find that conversations are much more productive that way. Now, turning to the facts: after decriminalization in 2001, overdoses in Portugal plummeted from 369 in 1999 to just 30 in 2016. That's from "Then & Now Portugal's Dr1g Decr*minalization," Statista. Also, as I mentioned in my original comment, how'd the US's experience with Prohibition turn out? Finally, what is your source for your statement that South Korea or China don't have any problems with dr*g use?

[@jean-marcducommun8185]

Difficult English had to stop.

[@Fredmayve]

You lot make me laugh. More fiction than in the complete Shakespeare.

[@Tymbus]

It's an epidemic caused by neglect and a stubbon refusal to address social inequality

[@davegubbins4428]

think the host comes across as overly naive ...especially for a journo

[@chadder7848]

It's intentional. Her goal is to blame China to manufacture consent to go to war with China. She mentions China like 200 times and not a word about the Shackler Purdue Pharma that drugged Americans with Oxycodone to begin with. Remember NY Times also lied about the Hamas r@pe story at the beginning of the invasion to justify slaughtering 40K Palestinians and 15K of them are babies and children.

[@blairmccormick4351]

The accent is brutal

[@anthonyhulse1248]

It’s just a scouse accent. It’s normal.

[@stpfs9281]

What accent?

[@blairmccormick4351]

@@anthonyhulse1248 I'm aware. Exactly

[@blairmccormick4351]

@@stpfs9281 chicken and a can of cochke

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

I don't know anyone using fentanyl.

[@jamesmichaeljean7840]

You don't know any drug addicts, good for you. 😊

[@johnhume4346]

They're on it because they want it. They want it because they like it. It's no good blaming China for America's addiction to drugs.

[@honoraryamerica5943]

So maybe the Times should focus more on covering the U.S southern border. You seem to cover the Ukraine funding issue ad naseuam but not the REASONS why it isn't approved...the southern border in the U.S is a sieve.

[@boota1979]

@honoraryamerica5943 TR is based on propaganda not truth. And they will never cover hard facts.

[@lauriebarns9901]

Southern border could have comprehensively addressed (with bi-partisan agreed) bill had tRump not wanted an issue to fight the election on. Disgusting cynicism.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Drugs come from all directions to the usa. Via Africa or from Asia or Europe. Nothing special about the border.

[@michaelrowsell1160]

Well the republicans do not want the border closed . Because 1. GOP employers need the labour 2 The GOP needs an open border so that they can campaign on the issue. 3 . Their wives need cheap servants .

[@crazyabbit]

Didn't you have like 4 years to build a wall? What happened?

[@johncorboy2163]

Bad lifestyle choice ,can’t blame anyone other than yourself.

[@user-rg7sg6kp1p]

Someone please dub over the strange accent guy. Impossible to understand!

[@TheLastCrusader22]

He's perfectly understandable, you're the one with the issue. Unbelievably condescending...Are you American?

[@naguoning]

It is not. I am not even British and I have no problem understanding. If you heard say a strong Scottish accent you would find it much more difficult.

[@craigvandeleur6877]

Not the accent .. it's the mic.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

How about you go back and listen to RT

[@stpfs9281]

What accent?

[@peterchaloner2877]

That Liverpudlian is a bit posh... couldn't The Times find a more common-as-muck presenter?

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Snob

[@Auriflamme]

Perish the thought that competent people with regional accents should be allowed in the media. "In my day the peasants knew their place" (grovelling at my feet).

[@pontusmalmstrom1055]

Must admit I find you Brits somewhat amusing at Times. 😊