How China Stole their J-20 Stealth Aircraft

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China’s mighty dragon J-20 stealth fighter jet aims to outmatch the American F-35 and F-22 fighters, it wants to dominate the skies over the South China Sea and ensure air superiority in the event of a war with the United States. but is it really all that great or is it just a cheap Aliexpress knock off version? To be fair, Xi Jinping's air force is getting a large part of the beefed up modernization budget and it appears to be paying off in some ways. Experts estimate China to have at least 200 J-20s in service today. So this isn’t one of those adversarial weapons that we hear will exist one day in the far distance like Russia’s T-14 armata tank, nope this thing is actually here already.
And these are exactly the kind of interceptor jets that are deployed in incidents like In August 2022, when their air forces responded to Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan by breaking records with 446 aircraft incursion into Taiwan airspace in a single month. But are any of the J-20’s capabilities unique or did China tactically acquire all of them? Tactically acquire is a lower enlisted way of saying steal it. Although this time its not just the United States claiming the jet was stolen Russia is also crying foul. We’ll also speculate on whether or not American radar systems detect this new Chinese stealth fighter, And how is the J-20 optimized for anti-access area denial - which is China’s main strategy and tactic for dominating in the South China Sea.
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[@scottbattaglia8595]

So what if the j-20 can go 800 extra kms or whatever a single 1 minute refueling I would say is way better, you could have loitering fighters and AWACS non stop

[@EroticOnion23]

@@anonymousandy5574 use the string under the ring method

[@artnull13]

If you watched China’s ‘bottom gun’ film, you’d know it’s the superior fighter 😂

[@danhobart4009]

Disliked for not showing taiwan as part of China. Also, why no 9 dash line?

[@Donnirononon]

@@danhobart4009 Taiwan is not part of that shithole lol

[@Climber565]

But what balloons has the J-20 popped??

[@AlexDuos]

Asking the real questions!

[@Vmaxfodder]

🤣😅😂🤣😅🤔

[@sirsmeal3192]

It does have an altitude advantage, but no cannon. It cannot outdo the F-22 at balloon popping.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

​@@sirsmeal3192​​Wasn't there a whole big deal made that they used a sidewinder missile instead of cannons because they'd actually already tried cannons on a previous balloon and it didn't pop?

[@damianketcham]

@@WackadoodleMalarkey Yeah. The Canadians sprayed a ballon with the F-18 20mm and it just kept floating on.

[@MOHAMMADKHAIRILAMBIAPUTRA]

"would you intercept me? I'd intercept me" - F-22 Raptor

[@Ghostfury2004]

Man of culture I see

[@hunterreeves6525]

“It smells like BITCH in this airspace” - F-22 Raptor

[@B01]

​@@Ghostfury2004great skin too I bet

[@anonanumerical367]

I see you!

[@KaeyaAlBarik]

"I'd intercept me so hard"

[@CarbideSix]

We will let the Missile Guidance System decide if this jet is superior or not. After all, the missile knows where it is at all times because it knows where it isn’t.

[@boldCactuslad]

the missile knows where it is because it knows where the satellites, igs, other missiles, sentry, jstar, and other fighters tell it where it is. hang on, that's just outsourcing of the same control theory basics!

[@zollen123]

If both jets have good stealth technology, they might have to get close enough to target each other.... dogfight!

[@SlinkyTWF]

@@zollen123 And if a furball erupts, the J20 loses to anything else in our inventory.

[@Val_Killmore]

Obviously the superior stealth fighter is the one that has a turbo encabulator in it

[@MilitaryBuff]

Lol

[@danielwoodard3737]

I appreciate your recognizing that the Chinese manufacturing process is home-grown. As a former industrial engineer I am disappointed with US failure to put as much effort into manufacturing as we do into R&D or trying to boost stock prices. Moreover, I've worked with Chinese researchers, engineers, and medical professionals much of my life. The Chinese people I know get ahead because they are smart and work hard. If we assume they are less creative, imaginative or capable than we are, we are in for a shock.

[@peterchan5817]

so you are saying they're smarter than you and worked harder than you so they do better than you through out your career?

[@alfeeman]

Chinese people are just hungry and focused more on work, work life balance is still relatively foreign concept, more like work is life. I don’t believe any race is smarter than others, if you do that probably means you are some what racist. There are 4 times more Chinese than Americans, and many of them work 1.5 times to 2 times harder based on hours put in and work habits, so it is natural the production capabilities are much higher

[@davisklein5720]

Is that why they steal everything from the USA military? Anybody can look smart with stolen technology

[@Wodanazz]

History has proven the Chinese lack the creativity and capacity for innovation and development, all of their modern technologies and advances are built off the back of pre-discovered tech. Even inventions attributed to them such as paper and blackpoweder aren't linked to the modern han-chinese (despite how much they claim it is) but were thanks to the ancient Chinese whom were mongol in origin, and even then when they apparently invented the compass it took decades for it to actually be used for navigation since the Chinese only used it for their "medicine"

[@bobsbeans7002]

If you possess the belief that all races are no smarter than each other then you're in for a peer-reviewed shock. As for China, it will do according to what the Chinese do best, raised in China or the US, for better or worse. I'll leave the rest to your judgement.

[@mitchellculberson9336]

When the 117 was shot down in Yugoslavia by the Serbs.The Chinese went & paid for the wreckage & had it in their embassy & America bombed it "accidentally to try to get rid of the plane wreckage.They destroyed some but not all of it.

[@riccccccardo]

Crazy

[@ljubastojanovic608]

On 7:20 You may see Sebian farmers and soldiers looking at what remained of F-117 shut down on fifth day of NATO - Serbian War started on March 24. 1999. Shut down by Russian missiles system created in early 60s combined with old type chinese radar. Seemed that F-117 was not invisible at all? "Sorry, we didnt know it was invisible" was Serbian reaction. After this war F-117 was put out of service, even this was first plain lost. Rumour was that some parts of this plain camed into Chinese hands. Bombing Chinese embassy "accindetally" by B-52 coming from USA teritory was ultimate idiotism and mistake Americans are still to pay.

[@TheFarsideSon]

The F-117 pilot and the Serb that shot him down later became best friends, it’s a wild story from beginning to end.

[@Osprey5435]

@@TheFarsideSon is there a video I could watch on it?

[@mattt525]

​@@TheFarsideSonI'd also love to hear the story!

[@wicho617]

That explains why Chinese had Stealth Suits while America had Stealth Boys only allowing you temporarily making you invincible. Referencing Fallout 3.

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

I thought you were referencing Final Fantasy 7, thanks for clarifying

[@Bootymoneycreditsqaud]

That’s fallout new Vegas u jackazz

[@jacobeii]

​@@Bootymoneycreditsqaudthe Chinese suit in new Vegas doesn't even make you invisible, only the one in 3 does

[@effexon]

games(as old as 1990s) have been disturbingly good at predicting major scale world events.

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

@@Bootymoneycreditsqaud unless you're being sarcastic, I am very annoyed that I have to inform you that NV is not, in fact, the source of all good Fallout things, and that the Stealth Suit originated in Fallout 3, and the normal stealth suit in NV can't even go invisible. Also, stealth boys have been a thing since fallout 1

[@starfieldryker5299]

correction: J20 just got updated with ws15 engines that rivals f119 and now can super cruise as well as a speculated top speed of mach 2.8. There are also double seater, drone commanding j20Bs with a redesigned canopy coming up in the future . I d say this is quite a potent aircraft with its range, electronics and weapon load regardless whether it is copied or not

[@宋学民]

J20BS，一看你就是中国人，国外不知道这个型号。

[@k.k.c8670]

​@@宋学民I am abroad and know about the twin seat variant that could have second pilot manage loyal wingman drones.

[@klein7381]

​@@k.k.c8670Jesus, why you know us so lot？I just thought foreign are all arrogance that think us like the monkey who use the stolen tech.....I hope there are fewer people like you

[@williamwilliam]

Add in their loyal wingman drone and the combination is beyond anything that the West has. To test that out, the U.S.A should consider flying either their F-22 or F-35 a little closer to China's airspace and ignore their warning.

[@TangoLima1]

Moreover China has some very long range BVR missiles that out range the AMRAAM

[@YagoWu-sg5bu]

This is ridiculous. We Chinese all know that J20 is just two J10s put together

[@chengrongzhang7704]

😂😂

[@JackLi-h1k]

Wrong, 4 J5s

[@damianketcham]

I think it’s Cheng-du, not Cheng-dong. But anyway, if it breaks you can just take it back to Walmart even without the purchase receipt.

[@eiennofantasy]

yea, but the mistakes makes it better imo :D

[@NelankaPerera]

Said it twice wrong. Then he mispronounced Spratley islands as Spartly. Wtf, just learn to read and speak. Love the shows :)

[@damianketcham]

@@NelankaPerera Lol!! Yeah. Maybe more proof reading. You’re right, it’s a great show though!!!

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

Whats that big talk though you guys couldn’t even beat china in 1950s in korea, nor managed to best the china supported Vietcong and PLA in Vietnam. And needed a coalition of over 10 countries helping to invade iraq who had no defenses against the air strikes. This is a real enemy this time. Lets see how quickly usa loses this time lol

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

Cappy can mispronounce anything.

[@JD96893]

stealth doesn't make an aircraft invisible, just very hard to get a lock on or keep lock. It'd likely look like something popping on and off your radar screen as the aspect changes and you get more or less radar return. Also as we know certain track radars can detect stealth aircraft, but lack the accuracy for a lock. They can detect it, so i highly doubt a J-20 flew over Taiwan without them noticing. It's probably more likely the pilot in question turned off his RWR, went super sonic, sped quickly over Taiwan(or likely one of their islands) and wasn't intercepted therefore says they didn't detect him because he doesn't really know. So technically he could say that. But ya, not true.

[@oryxland3994]

The part of overflying Taiwan without being detected is utter garbage. How much signal return you get from a stealth aircraft depends on the aspect your radar is towards the jet. Since the J-20's would have at some point flown over directly over the island Taiwan's air defense radars would at some point be looking almost directly up at the underside of the aircraft fuselage. That's one of the worst aspects for a stealth aircraft and generates some of the largest signal returns as it's a way bigger surface areas than looking at an aircraft from the front or rear. The Chinese aircraft were detected no doubt.

[@이재명각하만세]

china is good at steal

[@kongwee1978]

@@oryxland3994 Too bad Taiwan can't detect J20 with their own radar too many times. Even if conventional like J11, Taiwan can't tell their flight path. All PLA does is jam all their radars.

[@oryxland3994]

@@kongwee1978 Yaaa the problem with that is jamming radars using airborne electronic assets tends to alert an air defense system that someone is in the area. As well it's not some sort of "jam radar now" magic button which renders any radar useless, you might have reduced range and reduced ability to identify the target. It will also cause any radar on side doing the jamming issues as well affecting their own aircrafts ability to acquire targets. If jamming a radar was as such a sure thing taking out enemy air defense systems wouldn't be one of the hardest and most dangerous missions for a combat aircraft.

[@narrativegundam4710]

WW won’t tell you anything 😂. None know H6K already flew surround the island before the reword news pumping out. You guys uses second even fourth hand information from several years ago to evaluate an new first rank fighter.😂 In your logic, why there wasn’t any infos from the U.S and 4V? Come on, get educated please.

[@nates9105]

Well unless they refined the metal and had quality product I doubt extensive combat usage would lead to success or dominance. As shown repeatedly in Ukraine, and other conflicts, what matters is the equipment, repair support, and logistical capability of any armed force.

[@chedabu]

and training!!!

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

@@chedabuyes, all of the above.

[@myssadonno2759]

A fellow 'perun' follower?

[@TheDethBringer666]

Stuff they seem to have, unlike Russia's token inventory of 5th gens.

[@elcormoran1]

Like the mighty western tanks, right, or the Game changer weapons US send the ukranians

[@rotfled]

J20's are also just starting to get outfitted with completely indigenous WS-15 engines, which alleviates most of the issues with thrust and stealth compared to the older Russian AL-31 engines

[@__daddy__]

The Russian AL-31 has long been replaced with indigenous WS-10. WS-15 is an upgrade to WS-10

[@rotfled]

@@__daddy__ yes but the WS-10 also had thrust issues and along with the AL-31 was a stopgap solution until the WS-15

[@__daddy__]

@@rotfled yes. but still ws-10 is far better than AL-31

[@bobsmith3983]

@@borrago Made in China of Chinese design.

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

​@@borragoyes

[@mikedrop4421]

Correction : the J20 is the largest 5th Gen fighter. The B2 bomber is the largest 5th Gen plane.

[@hughmungus2760]

interestingly the J20 is actually lighter than the F22 due to more use of composites, meaning its actually quite agile for its size.

[@mr.2minutes161]

@@hughmungus2760 isnt it gonna be as heavy from carrying the massive amount of fuel for 3k something range? unless they dump it when needed. actually, i have no idea, im no fighter plane.

[@gr6373]

​@@mr.2minutes161Well apparently they did ditch the cannon

[@testphone8379]

J20 uses 3D printed body, it is tons lighter than conveniently built planes.

[@chengda85]

isnt the su 57 larger tan J20?

[@Ronin.97]

I honestly think battle management systems are really interesting and arguably one of the most important military developments for the future of warfare.

[@schutendohkji548]

Future of Warfare? It was already invented by the Brits over the Channel, divided Island sectors, Central dispatch Cmd, ... etc. against Mao during WWII. The concept n implementation r archaic. Dahhh

[@isbestlizard]

Yesssssss we are literally building Skynet :D Well, two Skynets. USA and China will each have one. And obviously having humans in the loop would make their version inferior so...

[@khairulhelmihashim2510]

with AI thrown in the equation, commanders can quickly work out multiple solutions to any new threat/problem/situation.

[@mrzoinky5999]

Drone swarms in the air , and spider-like drones, swarming ground defenses, is my pick for future warfare.

[@asdefull]

Basically the closer your actual military forces to rts games the better, theres a reason why drone spotting are so op in russia, they gave you (the commander) a real time view of the battle just like rts games. battle management system is like the unit icons on your rts screen, a good one will allow you to move the icons to attack, move, defend etc seamlessly without any lag or missinformation, just like an rts. Army with battle management system is fighting like an rts, while the army without are playing turn based, now you see why its op

[@stevemrayz357]

Very impressive considering their main frontline fighter until quite recently, was the MiG 21/ Chengdu J-7

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

The wife said I could get one of them _or_ an M777, but not both

[@Michael-uf1hz]

It really is quite scary how rapidly they are advancing their military tech, but with the ccp taking a more dictitorial and strong arm approach its makes sense. It's one of the few things a communist system can do, mobilize assests to complete a common goal.

[@jeffreylai6796]

@@Michael-uf1hzits about time they try to catch up in military tech. They developed their economy first, so once the economy’s there it needs a stronger military to protect it, which in turn supported by a good economy.

[@DIREWOLFx75]

"Very impressive considering their main frontline fighter until quite recently, was the MiG 21/ Chengdu J-7" Considering the started to massproduce their own versions of the Su-27 by the late 90s, uh, what? There's something like 2 thousand Su-27 derivatives in service by now in China. And over 210 J-20. That's more than USAs 197 F-22s. And China built those faster than USA built their F-22s.

[@kurousagi8155]

@@DIREWOLFx75what are you talking about? 2,000 SU-27 derivatives? SU-35: 24 J-16: 245 SU-30MK2: 24 SU-30MKK: 76 J-11BH/BSH: 72 J-11B/BS: 270 J-11A: 200 J-15: 60 SU-27SK/UBK: 78 Total: 1,039, that’s airframes that China ever received until 2022, not operational or inventory figures. Inventory figure would be 893 (-100 J-11A and -46 SU-27SK/UBK). Edit: also the Chinese did not start serial production of the J-11B until 2007. The J-16 started aerial production in 2012. The J-11A, was a copy of the SU-27SK/UBK and weren’t produced in China. Those were kits produced by Russia and then shipped to China and assembled in China.

[@shiangchen1]

Unlike the SU-57, the J20 is at the very least real production plane. So technically there's only 2 countries that have produced fifth gen fighters. You really can't count the felon prototypes.

[@Fred_the_1996]

Russia does have a squadron of operational felons, but still the number is tiny

[@ronjon7942]

@@Fred_the_1996Operational parade fighters, reminiscent of the MiG-9.

[@jackwang1238]

​@@Fred_the_1996俄罗斯人不靠战斗机，他们随时都可能扔核弹头，别忘了俄国人手上还有几千颗核弹头随时扔到伦敦、纽约。

[@adityabharat1445]

Well SU57 is only 4th gen with actual fight and kill.

[@TiberiiGrakh]

su 57 is battle proven 5th gen plane. yes number is not tha big but in production. f 35 is garbage f 22 is ok but expensive. but unlike f 35 its real 5th gen. chinese = whatever they claim. stolen technology from ussr anyway.

[@DuxBrit-66]

Apparently, the F-22 can operate higher than 60,000', but doesn't due to the need to wear an astronaut-style pressure suit at that height (ref: recent Ward Carroll KZbin 'Deep Intel' video). Physics & biology suggests that this would be the same for any J-20 pilot.

[@justinpaul3110]

I've heard that going above 60K is rough on the RAM.

[@BasedF-15Pilot]

This is correct.

[@azerty97212]

Incredible

[@roadblock7240]

Hey I love your channel it's great but one slight correction the f-35 B and C models don't come with a gun either they can be equipped with multi mission pods with GAU-22 cannon but they have no internal gun. Only the F-35 A the air force variant has one internally.

[@mazharimam6827]

Very enlightening, thank you. I wonder if they also have mission pods for the J-20 where they could add a cannon if needed...

[@nnf9431]

not sure how Chengdu turned into Chengdong lol

[@markuc]

Information is a little out of date, the latest engines is WS-15 and allows for supersonic cruise and much better performance. They've been installed in the latest batch of planes and existing ones are being retrofitted...

[@andrewfarrar741]

Thank you for sharing. 🤞🤞 we get those cloakable atomic fusion powered flying submarines up and running.

[@ace_of_laze]

i think its great, that PLC is building this jets and is showing off with their capabilities. even if its a bluff to an extend, it will motivate us to outperform them. just like what happened between USSR and NATO during the Cold War

[@rabidspatula1013]

Once the USAF unveils NGAD its going to be light years ahead for this very reason haha

[@ace_of_laze]

@@rabidspatula1013 i am really not sure how realistic its gonna be. i am imagining, that true 6th gen will end up merging all the different projects within NATO + Japan to accomplish it. but hey, what do i know

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

Yeah more War sounds awesome. Cant wait to hear the uselesss Duck…and cooveer Jingle on tv again

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@rabidspatula1013NGAD is set to begin low rate initial production in 2030, while the Chinese 6th gen is set to do that in 2035. So 5 years apart, both assuming no delays.

[@T_bone]

Most people don't realize this strategy is what actually bankrupted the USSR. China has avoided that by becoming experts in reverse engineering. They saved trillions by letting other countries do R&D and then scooping up parts whenever possible from conflicts around the world.

[@AndreasGassner]

The problem is not the fighters but our high tech companies still going there.

[@haldorasgirson9463]

I did a contract gig with a defense contractor. Chinese Nationals made up 10% of the engineering workforce. There was a pretense of information control (had to have a special "Born in the USA" badge to walk down certain aisles in the cubical farm, but that was a pretty weak barrier.

[@peekaboopeekaboo1165]

​@@haldorasgirson9463 Chinese nationals working for an American defense contractor ?!

[@peterchan5817]

@@haldorasgirson9463 chinazi nationals or chinese immigrants?

[@shaun469]

Then don't buy anything made in china. See how that goes for you

[@rifqimujahid4907]

​@@peterchan5817i do t reacall chinese for having nazi movement, the neanderthall descents in the otherhand :/

[@lunarrocks4165]

5:10 fighters dont have guns nowadays because they need them for any sort of air-to-air combat. most guns are put in fighters are there so they can do strafing runs on ground targets and not have to waste air to ground ordnance

[@markeasley6149]

They don't have enough rounds to strafe. If they don't get engaged by standoff missiles, then jets can close and intercept each other quickly. Gun is there for last resort dogfight, but more than likely air to air missiles will do all the damage. Since both sides are stealth it is not far fetched to think they will close in on each other before they know the other is coming. If you only have long range weapons, you could get toasted.

[@piotrd.4850]

With meager round supply and idea of putting crown jewel of electronics in range of simple aa guns and manpads....

[@PrograError]

Maybe ... But that's what they thought then in Vietnam... Before they raced to refit the cannons...

[@yixinmei5854]

Actually J20 is now testing it's new gun.....

[@jasonl3254]

I hate this type of speculative reporting. We don’t know if any of the tech in the J20 was stolen from the US or elsewhere. And you can’t tell just by looking at photos.

[@l_fieldy6635]

I really like the J2O, they're very good, lots produced and of good quality. My favourite is the orange and passion fruit one 🤭

[@lip124]

How do you know there is "good" cause apparently china is known for telling the truth? right🤣🤣.

[@gumnaamaadmi007]

And here in India, the Army and Air Force make the defense OEMs jump through countless loops when something is built at home. All for the sweet $ that kickbacks bring. Being part of the import lobby rocks!

[@CyberSystemOverload]

India in 2023: we want a new fighter and have selected 4 candidates India in 3023: we are examining the candidates and if they can set up a plant here India in 7023: we need more time to decide which one we want India in 9023: we will postpone this acquisition for now

[@corvoattano4777]

There have been many blunders with indian armed forces when it comes to defence acquisitions. Not selecting the ak74 and going for a 5.56mm caliber rifle even though 99% of indian equipment was of indian origin , not selecting the rd33 engine for tejas even though it was being domestically produced. Spending billions on a project and then abandoning it for foreign equipment.

[@boejiden7093]

@@CyberSystemOverloadindia in 203562: we’ll buy whatever Russia throws out

[@shenanigans4177]

​@@corvoattano4777 Using a 5.56 caliber AK doesn't make sense. Especially when there are thick forests in the North, you need the penetration power of 7.62. Also it's know to work best against the jehadis. On the eastern border IA has been issuing battle rifles in the form of Sigs and probably soon the Ishapore rifle. When firing from one mountain top to another 7.62x54 works wonder. They only stupid thing they did is rejecting the Trichy rifle in favour of the Ak203, nobody's hitting targets over 200m with an AK, especially when IA still doesn't get the concept of optics even today. For mounts and everything, SSS defence already has a AK modernisation kit which is dope. Now coming to RD33, do you want your flight time to be of 15 minutes, because that's how much fuel Tejas can carry without droptanks.

[@corvoattano4777]

@@shenanigans4177 Ak74 is chambered in 5.45x39 and it is extremely deadly. It was called poison bullet in Afghanistan. There is a video of Military arms channel comparing 762x51, 762x39, 5.56mm and 5.45x39 penetration powers and 5.45x39 penetrates the best. It is an extremely potent round better than 5.56mm. India could have easily license produced ak74 in the early 80s and not had to buy a new rifle every decade. rd33 is actually more fuel efficient than GE 5404.

[@josehawking5293]

The F-22 and F-35’s stealth technology is at least a generation ahead of the F-117.🤔

[@dwizzleusa4202]

2 generations ahead

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

@@dwizzleusa4202 3, since they're all three "5th gen" (just regarding the word stealth) with different advances normal to time/techonoly regular or at least standard evolution

[@VectorGhost]

3 generations

[@hughmungus2760]

for all intents and purposes china knows the F35 as well as any of the F35's operators. The amount of data compromised on the project basically gave china the most complicated systems on the F35.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

@@hughmungus2760 believe in propaganda all way you want. doing something gives you another knowledge than just copying it. but if it makes you happy...

[@davidlaw9686]

I don't see any similarity between the J20 and any American ones.

[@Jay-k6i9k]

Wumao

[@daiakunin]

There's only one way to settle this debate: leak classified j-20 documents on the war thunder forums.

[@yuluoxianjun]

F35 already😅

[@sidmiewar]

the banhammer IRL on this very matter would be permanently

[@Musslewhite]

I just imagined the F-35 and the J-20 doing the equivalent of a rolling start drag race over the east china sea, and it was marvelous.

[@mikedrop4421]

And while they are at top speed an F15 blows past them on the way back to base for dinner

[@marioelburro1492]

@@mikedrop4421 dont forget the foxbat

[@yuluoxianjun]

it already happened last year.J-20 with the warning plane radar help,lock the F35 from 100KM far.and until J20 get clost near 20 KM,F35 still dont notice J20

[@marioelburro1492]

@@yuluoxianjun seems intresting, any source so i can look into it?

[@yuluoxianjun]

@@marioelburro1492 2022.03.06.Kenneth Welsbach, Air Force Commander of the US Pacific Command, announced that the F-35 had met the J-20 for the first time in the East China Sea.

[@EloquentTroll]

As an Air Force veteran and computer programmer I can assure that some folks are deeply intrigued by battle management software, there is so much stuff to process and I am totally curious about those algorithms Cappy. Some nerds wore the uniform too.

[@kalasend]

I'm a Hong Konger. Frankly, I don't like the CCP regime. But I'm also an engineer by trade so I can't shake the objective self. China has a vast supply (demographic issue is for years later) of AI/ML engineers. They may not be top notch academics. But trust me, when it comes to implementation, headcount matters. This is also why the US is doing utmost to slow down China in advanced computing. Back to the topic though, if smart systems is what will win wars, yes, the US would be wise to worry.

[@SuperSoliton]

​@@kalasendUS has nothing to worry about at all. China may not want to fooling around at the coast of California or gulf of Mexico like a thug on street.

[@jackwang1238]

​@@kalasend自讨没趣，看看别人怎么看待你们，你们这些蝗虫不喜欢中央政府可以随时移民啊！😂😊

[@guangjunfan5711]

@@SuperSoliton 美国肯定不担心中国会有侵犯北美洲的意图，但是如果您了解所谓的“海权”和“路权”的概念，再去随便搜搜目前美国所把控的重要海上通道的位置和数量，您就能够明白为什么美国想尽全力地遏制中国的发展了。在如今饼很难做大的情况下，老美想做的就是去把对手干掉，中国也不是第一个挑战者，苏联、欧盟、日本也曾挑战过，只不过他们的体量跟中国相对比都太小了。

[@yanakal652]

​@SuperSoliton then why did the us block them from getting advanced chips?

[@tomt810]

You'd think a company that could make super modern stealth technology could keep the dang stuff secret...

[@rodgemic]

Unfortunately they do a lot of work with colleges and a lot of the stuff they use is developed at colleges and a lot of professors are sellouts seems like every year or two there's at least one big news article about some Professor selling to China

[@tonysu8860]

Of course all that stealth technology is in full view of the world all the time including adversaries.

[@Myungbean]

I would say it's a respectable first attempt at stealth...but so far modeling indicates it doesn't even equal the F-117 in terms of its stealth...which is generally fine since it's primarily designed to just be able to get close enough to an AWACS to take it out from BVR.

[@gravyd316]

If you're going after a AWACs you have to get past the aircraft that are linked to the plane. That's easier said than done considering the F-15E is more than the J-20 can handle. I wouldn't be surprised if the F-16 is more than the J-20 can handle. I think it's more of a show pony. It's strength would be at sea if American forces are crossing the Pacific.

[@Myungbean]

@@gravyd316 Well, AWACS would still need to know which direction the J-20s are coming from to direct fighter screens for intercept. Stealth aspect would severely cut down on the range at which the AWACS could detect them, not to mention the range said fighter screen could get a High PK lock. As I said, they just need to get in range to engage with BVR then hightail it out of there. That thing is a boat and probably maneuvers like one, so I doubt they'd deliberately merge with fighters that can actually dogfight.

[@EroticOnion23]

@@gravyd316 F15 & F16 are for losers, Russia Mig & Su shoot them down routinely...

[@chrisbarr959]

It's probably comparable to a SU 57 due to the un-stealthy round exhaust and canards

[@flossordie2256]

​@@Myungbeanthey be coming from China yo

[@majesticface3631]

The f35 B and C also lack an onboard cannon, only the A has an integrated cannon. The B and C has optional stealth gun pods it could use though

[@CrazyDutchguys]

if an F-35 gets within gunrange of an enemy aircraft something has gone VERY wrong, the same goes for any stealth fighter

[@BadDadio]

Guns are worthless on a modern fighter. They only have them now because of the F4 fiasco, when guns were relevant.

[@Ac1DMoDz]

Has it tho? Stealth vs Stealth = Back to Dogfighting, they won’t be able to see each other until they are closer.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

​@@Ac1DMoDz Only if they're equivalent. If it's Western Stealth Vs Eastern Stealth, Western sees first and shoots first.

[@tylerrobbins8311]

Not really it really just comes down to F-35s being extreemly versitile. The standard A model is now diffrent than B or C it has to do with the role of them mission said F-35 will fulfill. Note and F-35C is able to match an SU-57 in stealth bombing all while staying smaller with a longer range. Both the F-35 and SU-57 carry more ordinances than the J-20.

[@jimmylam9846]

China has the better wind tunnel JF-12 than what the US has. That was the reason why US failed in hypersonic Mach 8 missiles testing 8 / 9 times. China has new a JF-22 WT could simulate Mach 30 missile......special D to Washington DC in 10 minutes.

[@lisa-azrabroad4137]

I think 'cheap inferior Chinese copies' may not apply anymore and Russia may no longer be the biggest air threat to the US monopoly

[@Pandahhhhhhhh]

Depends sometimes. They screwed the Russians with crap military tires during the beginning invasion of Ukraine

[@tylerrobbins8311]

😂 These Chinese planes uses twin mig 86 engines. They are cheap knock offs at best. Keep in mind Russia owns China due to the fact China relies on Russian engineers to even regulate their planes. The SU-57 is a tad bit better than the F-22 and both are marginally better in theory to an F-35 in dog fighting. But all of this is irrelevant due to F-35s far out doing either plain in BVR combat, oh and there are 650+ F-35s vs the 16 SU-57s. The J-20 is utter trash compared to all of them especially considering it is not even capable of dog fighting. Let alone the fact the F-35 is able to fly higher, faster, and has nearly double the effect range on BVR. And none of that even touches the stealth factor.

[@cookiecola5852]

@@tylerrobbins8311 hold on there mate😅 Russia is pretty good on deceiving rival, whatever Russia claim their equipment can do is a ploy to be a sheep in a wolf clothing, to be seen as tougher then reality Russia always exaggerate military stats Tho China is decades behind U.S, Russia is the turtle in the race of innovating new fighter jets Its pretty hard to evaluate any Russian military capability, like its Russian so crap maintance and poor training is hard to exclude in any evaluation with Russia since Russia’s NEWER military equipment beside from missile / missile system and small arms isnt sold globally

[@nmslnesses]

​@@tylerrobbins8311they are good at stealing, maybe they already got US designs

[@tylerrobbins8311]

@@nmslnesses Even if they do it's not going to fix how bad they are at implimenting and innovation.

[@buryitdeep]

The fact that everyone just seems to accept China steals IP is worrying.

[@dead-claudia]

we kinda just accept the ccp's going to try even tho we all object strongly to it and take measures (often extraordinary) to stop them from succeeding it's like accepting that a psychopathic serial killer will try to murder people - everyone agrees it's shitty but it's going to happen no matter how much we wish they wouldn't

[@jetli740]

j20 is stolen technology from usa whhich they never have tbh j20 look like no other jet

[@tomte47]

You don't think The U.S is doing everything it can to steal Chinese military secrets ?

[@VashtheStampede007]

Just propaganda to smear without actual evidence

[@hillbillyangle]

It's funny to watch how the host wants to acknowledge China's technological advancement, but have to throw in some negative connotations at the same time to keep his hardcore fans interested...lol...nonetheless, great video!

[@donkey459]

Wumao

[@hillbillyangle]

@@donkey459 Lvwa

[@Wvk5zc]

​@@donkey459as if it's a bad thing 😂😂😂

[@whaleinblack]

Actually right after this video, the new j20 with ws15 had its first flight, so I guess the figures for engine will need to be assessed again in the future.

[@subjekt5577]

The j20 seems like a cross between the f15 active and f35 and honestly I love it

[@gwynlordofcinder6316]

Or Mig144

[@thedownwardmachine]

Notice how the improved avionics and battle space awareness is meant to enhance the pilot’s experience rather than supplant it. Automotive automation designers could really learn something from this.

[@ΣτελιοςΠεππας]

@@wes11bravo LOL "filler of many sandbags". I would like to see the heraldic symbols associated with that.

[@lllordllloyd]

@@wes11bravo *Eliminate* blind spots? Car manufacturers have been making windows smaller and pillars wider for decades. It's now impossible to safely back up most vehicles without a camera.

[@johncostello3174]

It's always better to overestimate your enemy than underestimate

[@libfab1]

Of the F-35's only the A version flown by the AF has an internal gun. The B's and C's don't.

[@tasosbakoulis811]

China didnt copy merkava tank and prigozin yet.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

Probably for the best they didn’t copy Prigozin… Chinese Wagner would probably march up to Bejing’s doorstep within a few days if China kicks them around too much like the MOD did.

[@dixieduffy7]

Key word is yet.

[@KRawatXP2003]

To be frank they might have tech of 22 and 35. Might not on the top of the 5th gen fighters but then again having the knowledge of 5th gen of Americans jets helped a lot.

[@ajaykumarsingh702]

How ? Did the US sold its stealth jets to China ? Don't say they copied, because if they really did then you already lost the war. The US can't even keep its intel secured, it won't survive against China during a full scale war.

[@NANA-mi4mm]

For most people who doesn't know that J-20 is designed based on J-9-VI-II program which stated in 70s and cancelled in 1980, and the design of it is earlier than Mig1.44. You can just google J-9-VI-II for more info

[@qwang22]

The blogger is not professional and blindly emphasizes Chinese theft, just like a person in the class who works hard and catches up with you, and you suspect him of cheating. Of course, if anyone else believes in China's theft technology, why did South Korea obtain permission from the United States to directly "copy" homework but only develop a fourth and a half generation KF21 fighter jet🤣

[@isbestlizard]

J-20 is pretty cute and has nice curves on its back but isn't as cute as F-22 so I think america still has the edge

[@gtifighter]

how many air to air engagements did the F-22 have during the duration of its service?

[@alvinloh9068]

@@gtifighterWhy don't you look it up online?

[@chrishansmatthews6260]

china is trying to avoid the "last 10% of capability uses half the budget" in my opinion but its hard to say if they are close enough in capability .

[@wedmunds]

Having the numbers is a big part of capability.

[@ericrodriguez7423]

I hope you do a video on the Wagner coup, I’m really going to enjoy it!

[@Taskandpurpose]

planning to post the Wagner coup video tomorrow !

[@RavenRunFoxRoam]

The J20 is not stealth. Especially when being observed from anywhere but straight on.

[@Notme012]

It’s not cheating it’s stealing😂

[@EroticOnion23]

I mean, the US wouldn't even exist without stealing Chinese guns/gunpowder to wipe out the natives, amirite??...😅

[@oghidden]

@@EroticOnion23 It had already been around for 9 centuries. Gunpowder was procured through domestic production and trade at that point.

[@northern_21]

@@EroticOnion23 Did you word this wrong? You make it seem like the US stole gunpowder from the Chinese, gunpowder was already in Europe during the 13th century, well before the founding of the US.

[@angrydoggy9170]

@@EroticOnion23 Guns aren’t a Chinese invention and gunpowder was copied centuries before the US was a thing.

[@奥奥利给-w6o]

@@EroticOnion23 lol, they stole the land from Indians~~

[@d3liverator579]

Have to love seeing so often Digital Combat Simulator videos when talking about airplanes!

[@TurboHappyCar]

It makes for cool B-roll. 👍

[@thomaspinney4020]

Stealth is the current flavor of choice for aircraft which comes at a significant cost. F-35 pilots consistently report the biggest advantage they have is the greatly enhanced situational awareness including battle management. So far the F-35 has done quite well in combat operations in the Middle East, mostly by an unnamed small country in that region.

[@backpackpepelon3867]

@@cynicalsuka2463 those deadly Palestinian homemade AA systems can rivals Patriots you know 😂

[@guillermoelenes4310]

With no air defense you can do whatever you want

[@MrRedsjack]

​@@cynicalsuka2463 they operated in Syria where the Russians have deployed S400 and S300 AA systems.

[@李玉川-f1y]

正如我国网友所说，跑去阿富汗炸了一台卡车就是战斗经验或者是实战经验😂哈哈哈，这个是不用五代机，日本三菱的0式也可以完成

[@ssdhusg6042]

To deal with some small and poor countries that have no power to restrain themselves. I don't know what fighter can't do that.😂

[@andyleeyuenloke6446]

For the record, the J20 are now fitted with WS15 engines,which according to experts, fly faster than the F35.

[@rgloria40]

Funny, how the "best jets" have knocks off. The really unbeatable jets are like the SR71, F117, S3 Viking, E6, A10 and etc...PS...I think we have a leak and outsourcing/offshoring problem. The J20 has no knocks offs...

[@jackholman5008]

Its twin engine,all twin engine fighters are faster than f35

[@imnewlight]

@@jackholman5008the j20 is a hit and run, the 35 is multirole

[@garysnewjob]

Faster is not the technical advantage. Both the J20 and the F35 have bet on being able to see their opponents before they are seen and hitting their opponents with a first missile. That's stealth and sensor fusion.

[@jaimesmiller414]

Lol no it isn’t. It was recently released by our DoD that the J-22 has a radar cross section the size of a prop plane; get back to me when they can compete against the F-35 and it’s honey bee size radar cross section. We see you first, you dead

[@angrydragon4574]

I would not be surprised to learn that the J-20 is built off of the stolen SU-27 radar, the tech they ripped off from the old F-16 they bought from Israel, the stolen MiG-1.44 design and whatever stealth paint they stole from the F-117 they bought from the Balkan war. The engines don't even work right on that stupid plane, they crap out once they go supersonic.

[@KungFuWizardOfJesus]

J 20* honestly that’s probably propaganda. The truth is who knows…

[@MrPointedHelix]

Given how often China has decimated expectations over the past few decades it is possible they could be the superior military power 20 years from now. I fear US debt payments taking up more of the budget every time we raise the debt ceiling may ultimately leave us having to abandon regions like Southeast Asia in my lifetime.

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

PFFFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@中国螃蟹哥]

放弃不好吗？难道美国人不希望税金为自己服务而不是军队

[@_master1974]

Just 2 day after this video, j-20 with ws-15 was shown. It has the ability to reach up to mach 2.5 and the capability to super cruise.

[@sinoleao]

j-20 with ws10c already has the capability to super cruise, but ws-15 gives the higher speed during super cruise

[@SuLokify]

One thing you can be certain of, the J-20 won't be able to turn as fast at non transonic speeds as certain other aircraft. Dunno if that's important, but it's just a fact of the wing configuration

[@ARUNMANOJ86]

just for reference JF's engines have a realworld use of under 80 hours yes look it up under fuking 80 before they need to be pulled in for service and they have to be completely replaced after 200 hours of flight time.. F35s engine life is roughlye 2500 hours of flight time beofre tier 1 repairs .. ithink rest is classified.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

That’s still way better than the WWII era German jets engine endurance, which was usually under 10 hours.

[@nicholasbrown668]

source

[@ARUNMANOJ86]

​@@nicholasbrown668 well there are nations who have bought JF-17 you can look that up.. JF-20 no one wants.. even Pakistan dont want chinese engine they prefer Russian RD-series..in short American and European engines are way more reliable fuel efficient and have long service life like in somecases more than 10x.. calling russia and china near peer enemies is only technically correct in reality they are decades behind in a lot of areas.. after this ukraine conflict exposed russian equipments.. my country is slowly tryign to get rid of russian stuff and get more french stuff.

[@nicholasbrown668]

@@ARUNMANOJ86 so in other words. source: I made it the fuck up thanks for clearing up your sources

[@JA-pn4ji]

@@ARUNMANOJ86 The JF uses Russian engines, no?

[@neutralino1905]

The laws of physics and aerodynamics are the same in every country. This explains why all modern jets more or less have the same design - because there's only one best design as dictated by the laws of physics.

[@thomasD215]

Their helmets that let them see a 360° view probably looks like a RoboCop style helmet with a straight line going across😂

[@aesirgaming1014]

China's tech and manufacturing revolution is incredibly impressive. This is a nation that went from being a poor, third world country in civil war to being one of the leading nations in the world over the space of less than 80 years. The only comparable leap forward is the Japanese modernization program. What the US should be taking note of is that both nations have pushed rapid modernization for similar reasons: the avenging of perceived humiliations. Unlike the Japanese, the Chinese have massive reserves of natural resources, as well as an ally (Russia) that can meet their fuel needs). China also has a larger population and larger industrial base. This makes the Chinese an exponentially more dangerous threat than the Japanese in the 1930's/40's.

[@FirstName-qz3iz]

Japan modernized because the United States transferred most of its technology, beginning with the Korean War. As for China's modernization, China's overseas talent has brought back a lot (copy), but also a lot of breakthroughs. The two are fundamentally different.

[@robertz4822]

Why is China considered a threat? China has never initiated colonial wars or engaged in large-scale territorial invasions of neighboring countries like Western nations. Instead, it has tended to maintain friendly relations with neighboring smaller countries through tribute systems. Please do not equate China with the United States. The U.S. holds its position through global military dominance, while China's rise is based on the hard work of its people and the production of affordable, high-quality industrial and consumer goods.

[@aesirgaming1014]

​@@robertz4822 your view of China is through incredibly rose-tinted goggles. You're completely ignoring violent repressions of minority groups within their own borders, not to mention the large-scale Chinese military intervention in Korea, to say nothing of the occupation of Tibet and repression of Buddhist monks there. These actions show that China is more than willing to use military force to further its interests around the world, the same as the US or any other power. The reason that China has not done so is that they lack the force projection capabilities that would make these types of operations feasible and right now their economy is too shaky to support a prolonged military conflict. Your assessment of their economy is similarly tinted by rosy lens and little reality. China is far from some utopian worker's paradise. The reality is that China, like most developing industrial nations, exploits the hell out of the vast majority of its population in the name of economic growth. Similarly, China's economy is not at all as strong as a lot of people seem to think. It's very large, but it's also quite fragile right now with the collapse of its real estate market. Lastly, China is a US rival because its desired sphere of influence conflicts directly with US interests in East Asia. Mostly this concerns the status of Taiwan, which is economically and strategically important for the United States. Like all world powers, the US has substantial overseas interests and Taiwan is probably one of the most important of those. These interests directly impact the US economy and infrastructure in a way that we could not risk allowing them to fall into the hands of a hostile/rival power. Hence, since Chinese interests conflict with US interests and since China has a track record of using force to further its interests, China is considered a major military rival for the US.

[@robertz4822]

Hey, let's take a step back and see the big picture about China: 1. **History Check**: China isn’t about conquering and expanding. They've had their issues, sure, but nothing like old-school colonial conquests. And that whole thing about Tibet? Remember, Tibet had its own set of problems before China stepped in.Before the People's Liberation Army came in, Tibetans were serfs. Hierarch even used skulls for wine and skins for drums in their rituals. Pretty wild, right? If you're curious, dig into it more yourself. 2. **Hard Work Pays**: China's booming because of its hard-working people, not because they're pushing others around. Their rise? It's more about gadgets and goods, less about guns and soldiers. 3. **Taiwan Talk**: Taiwan is super close to China's heart. Imagine someone from outside telling you how to deal with your family matters. That's how China feels about the U.S.'s involvement. 4. **Making Friends, Not Wars**: Look at China's recent moves - it's all about trade and deals, not battles and military shows. That big Belt and Road thing? That's them trying to make trade buddies. 5. **Internal vs. Global**: Just because a country has internal issues doesn't mean they're out to start world wars. China’s focus? Selling stuff, not military showdowns. 6. **Compared to the West**: Hey, the West has its own list of conquests and colonies. Compared to that, China's tribute system was more about business than bossing around. To wrap it up: China's story is more about growth and commerce than aggression. Maybe it's time we have a chat with them, instead of just pointing fingers.@@aesirgaming1014

[@robertz4822]

@@pulser08 Ah, I appreciate the poetic description. However, I'm here to learn and grow, just like everyone else. I'd genuinely appreciate it if you could provide some facts or insights to enlighten me on this topic. Let's engage in a constructive discussion rather than resorting to sarcasm. What are your thoughts on the matter?

[@rbrtck]

The size of an aircraft has very little to do with how stealthy it might be. For illustration, the largest contributors to the frontal radar signatures of the F-22 and F-35 are their pitot tubes, which most people don't even notice.

[@得不到学生清华]

是的，你说的非常正确。隐身不是取决于机体大小，而是取决于飞机机体设计是否够平面化。

[@alexyan999]

just like B2 ，A VERY LARGE biggest plane

[@bobsmith3983]

As a matter of fact the bigger the stealth airplane the harder it is for targeting radar to get a lock. So in this case the bigger the better. This is due to RF resonance effects.

[@rbrtck]

​@@bobsmith3983 I decided not to go there, but you are correct. Perhaps the easiest-to-understand way to illustrate this is that the shorter the wavelength of the electromagnetic radiation, the higher the resolution. Visible light consists of such tiny wavelengths that its resolution is super high, which is why stealth fighters are easily visible in light. We can see every little detail, even the texture of the coatings, so there is no hiding it from light with just shaping. But targeting radar wavelengths are much longer and their lower resolution is such that the special shaping of stealth renders them nearly invisible (not really, but much, much harder to detect, in any case). However, really long radar wavelengths intended for long-range detection and early warning have such low resolution that any plane that is small enough effectively appears as a point reflection, regardless of its shape. This kind of radar can't even "see" how it's shaped, it's just there. This negates stealth shaping, although the larger the stealth plane, the longer the wavelength of the radar has to be in order to easily detect it, and that's hard to do because long-wavelength radar requires enormous, easily targeted, and hard-to-replace antennas. And its resolution is so bad that targeting is totally out of the question. Now, this is a gross oversimplification of the physics involved, but hopefully this gives most people some kind of intuitive sense of why stealth is more effective the larger a plane is. This is true even for a given wavelength against which two planes are both stealthy. The larger plane always has more potential for stealth. Whether it actually is stealthier or not depends on many factors and is therefore a whole other question, but all else being equal (which they usually aren't, but if they were), the larger plane will be stealthier to some degree. That said, the difference is not huge because even the largest stealth planes are only so large.

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

​@@bobsmith3983fr, man, i wish i was i smart enough to make these thing, or flying saucers

[@Alex-lc6vi]

Still won’t beat the F-35 though. Due to our good training and how close we have bases near china.

[@angrydragon4574]

It goes beyond training, the J-20 isn't stealth. India saw them on radar in 2020.

[@illuminati2341]

@@angrydragon4574Source: Trust me

[@bigvaxmeanie925]

​@@illuminati2341source the Indian military Go home china bot

[@EroticOnion23]

I mean, the US wouldn't even exist without stealing Chinese guns/gunpowder to wipe out the natives, amirite??...😅

[@benjaminpadilla1464]

​@@illuminati2341it's true 🤡

[@alex434343]

I would take Chinas claims that their new wonderjet beats the latest US aircraft on literally every metric with a heaping grain of salt.

[@antonnurwald5700]

The lack of a real long-range air to air missile in the US arsenal is truly astonishing to me.

[@earlbinvico]

The AIM-260 is just starting production, and it is expected to be fully operational by 2027. The reason why it took it so long to the U.S., is because they intended to design it to be dimentionally similar to the AIM-120, while the Chinese PL-15 and Russian R-37 are twice and thrice as wide, respectively; and nearly half a meter longer than the AIM-120. The U.S. gives importance to making compact missiles to avoid the need of retrofitting aircraft, and to allow aircraft to carry more missiles for less weight. Russia and China just went ahead to make their missiles bigger to reach their intended range. If China had the ability to make smaller missiles, the J-20 would be much smaller, or it'd be the same size while carrying more missiles

[@antonnurwald5700]

@@earlbinvico great explanation, thanks! Still strange, since the F-15 is being set up as a missile truck with huge capacity, it could carry a heavy ATA missile.

[@yixianli4651]

@@earlbinvicobigger size doesn’t affect stealth, provided that the shape doesn’t change, so the only problem with it is weight, which can be fixed with better engines, which is actually happening. Bigger size has several advantages: more fuel; bigger compartments for avionics and missiles (which are the bottlenecks for F22, making it extremely difficult to upgrade F22 with the latest tech). So overall I feel the J20 has much bigger potential as a platform for continuous evolution.

[@BabyShotgun]

YES! I was just looking for something good to watch!!

[@Paulftate]

Here it looks like the possibility of rain

[@bradpara]

The J-20 is an impressive plane. Only real flaw in its design that I can see is its (apparent) lack of a gun. But than it’s more likely more of an interceptor than a dogfighter

[@李玉川-f1y]

目的是为了击落来自围绕我国第一岛链的预警机和加油机还有运输机使用，主动出击，本土防卫使用的

[@jetli740]

dog fight dont exit in mordern warfare.

[@AnimaRandom]

@@jetli740 US...kinda said that before they rushed developed F-15 because mig 24 "outclassed" every single jet that time

[@jetli740]

@@AnimaRandom the j20 with the ws15 engine is 400+km faster than the f35 or f22 so having a cannon is pretty waste of space and weight, it design is spot enemy empty missile then disappear. it much faster it can easily get out of cannon range, cannon is more like ww2 eara, now every dam thing is missile

[@妮姆芙-o3z]

？Your thinking is still stuck in the World War II era

[@rowanyuh6326]

When you compare j-20 and f-22 you are comparing a 21st century jet with a 20th century jet which is impressive for the f-22

[@manicmachinegun6253]

It doesn't matter how many they can produce, their quality control like everything will be shit.

[@EmmanuelAU03]

When are we going to realise that china can also make good stuff lmao. The cheap things in your house are prob made in china but also alot of your expensive stuff will have Chinese parts or made in china.

[@gui577b]

The problem with prioritizing espionage/stealing military secrets, is you're always one step behind your adversary. You need a balanced breakfast of innovation, internal competition, and private financial incentives. I have never seen China hardware that was really impressive. Just "me too" stuff. Who knows what it'll do in combat.

[@hughmungus2760]

those DJI drones being used on both sides of the ukraine ware are really impressive for how cheap and effective they are. And they are products of china's commerical sector.

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

They can do both, the stealing part is just a way to bridge the gap closer. Romans have copied many things made by thier enemies then beat the pulp with it. Cartheginians knew very well when the Romans copied thiere own ships. The same outcome of it still remains to be uncertain.

[@침착플러스]

This is not surprising, after all, it has only been 40 years since the Chinese had enough to eat, while the Americans already had an aircraft carrier fleet 100 years ago. It's scary that in such a short period of time they have already flown into space and are ready to land on the moon.

[@sam3kperv]

To be honest, the J20 looks more advance and hi-tech, but we all know it's lacking in true Stealth and features 😊

[@lip124]

Cone on, it's very advanced and steathly. Emperor Xi approves it🤣🤣

[@acefreak95]

Like bruh it has cannards how cool and stealthy is that 😂

[@kdkpt]

They aren’t actually stealthy because India can track them on their radars. That’s been in international news.

[@zlong598]

That was they chooses to let Indians to see for their existence to scare you ! Otherwise how do they let the Indians know they were there?

[@yushi6065]

关于J20没有机关炮的问题我来解释一下吧，J20的设计理念是依靠强大的雷达系统先敌发现，并依靠远程导弹在中远距离就结束战斗，如果在这个距离无法结束战斗的话，就没必要再继续战斗下去了，直接转身依靠速度迅速离开战场就行了，近距离缠斗更多的是交给J20的无人僚机来完成

[@gustavofelix3433]

the f4 phantom had the same idea in vietnam and i was slaughtered by the migs. lack of internal cannon can be a bad decision, it is better to have it and never use it, than to need it and never have it

[@ying2109]

true but missile and radar tech has come a long way since then, I wouldn't use vietnam as an example for modern air combat@@gustavofelix3433

[@peterpista2652]

@@gustavofelix3433 那是因为那个时候的空空导弹的红外导引头灵敏度还非常低，只能进行尾追攻击，而在两机相对的时候，很难迎头锁定。现在的红外格斗弹都已经发展到了第四代，红外成像技术和锁定技术已经成为标配，机炮在对空作战中已经没有价值，F35安装了机炮是因为F35并非制空战斗机，而是多用途，意味着它有很大的任务需求是对地攻击，因此机炮仍有用武之地

[@linlaobei1]

The new movie - ‘Retribution’ can tell you where is the US real threat from ? It’s from ‘internal’~

[@georgekush8604]

There is an airport near Moscow called Zhukovsky International Airport, it houses 1 of 5 MIG 1.44 ever built. It also has a Tupolev Tu-144 and Sukhoi SU-47 Berkut. If you go back a few years there was also a Buran space shuttle.

[@cheesytacos6498]

Thats cool as hell

[@LplusRatioLol]

16:22 India now has a small fleet of French Rafale fighters as their most advanced fighters, although it is only 36 in number.

[@maxcao7772]

Is India here to be funny

[@進-z9w]

中国人从来没有把印度视为敌人。即便你们把我们作为敌人。中国人其实更愿意和世界各国保持友谊发展经济。包括美国日本印度。如果印度发展到中国现在的水平，美国一定也会像针对中国一样针对印度，就像过去的法国德国日本一样。加油印度。其实中国希望看到一个多级世界，而不是美国独大。

[@Jay-k6i9k]

India doesnt need the french shit anymore.seriously isnt eu quite backward these days?

[@papi-sauce]

china traded a ballon for a expensive ass missile. they playing 4D chess

[@Optmatic]

J-20 is designed based on J-9-VI-II program which was way back in the 70s. This guys said shit without actually knowing anything.

[@Lost-In-Blank]

The USA should never have stopped making the F-22. Engines in the J-20 can be upgraded, aircraft engines and avionics are often upgraded. But nothing can change the F-35 from being single-engined and incapable of super-cruise, to dual-engined and super-cruise capable.

[@arceuslee7087]

You should change the word can from "Engines in J20 can be upgraded" to are being upgraded.

[@wedmunds]

And that's why the carrier based J35 is also twin engined

[@hedleykaszinski-q4s]

We have already overestimated China's military strength and wasted too many resources

[@hedleykaszinski-q4s]

I believe that although the F22 has been discontinued and the F35's specifications are not outstanding enough, it can still achieve a great exchange ratio against the J20, which cannot even be considered a fifth generation machine, in the confrontation

[@aburetik4866]

How can a superior fighter jet J20 steal from a inferior one like F35?

[@andrewfarrar741]

既然不可能先生已经提出使用量子魔法来彻底改变每个人的个人知识产权，为什么我们还要在这上面浪费时间呢？ 还没有人告诉你们党的领导人吗？ 他必须做一些我想做的有趣的事情，比如削弱所有的加密骗子。 一旦他让我相信我可以信任他，我们就可以继续。

[@blackhole4813]

They stole the good parts of both countries I doubt

[@buzzscreen8365]

J-20 is not a knock-off from Aliexpress, it is from Temu. 😂

[@clocutron]

Just recently discovered your channel and have now subscribed. I really like your detailed discussions of these topics and look forward to more from this channel. Thanks for your hard work in presenting such important and relevent content.

[@Hiromashi1234]

Wonder where the production line cuta corners so the owners can pocket government money. All thats missing is them calling some trivial system "ai" for extra money lol

[@NicholasSapak]

Just like when some one running ahead of some one and some one cannot catch, the right things to do is blame him for your failure.

[@eliasmai6170]

Cappy, can you make more videos about fighter planes please.

[@paulwilson8672]

This reminds me of the US in the 1960's. The F-4 was originally designed without guns. The thought was you would use missiles rather than guns. They quickly found out that didn't happen. Also this means this would only be an air superiority aircraft and not be able to support ground troops. Great Video!!!

[@iumbo1234]

Ground support is a task for other aircrafts.

[@paulwilson8672]

@@iumbo1234 I'm OK with that. The F-35 is replacing the A-10 (In Theory). It should be F/A-35 since it is replacing the A-10. In order to do that you need a gun to take out ground equipment like tanks and armored vehicles. I'm just stating that this fighter is for air superiority only. Not a multi-roll aircraft.

[@effexon]

so how critical would this be with india china situation? dunno of their priorities, that could still be distraction to fight along taiwan. if it is close to F117 stealth, thats critical already.

[@SRDPS2]

Fun fact for gun in modern combat Reference from Gulf War, seem like Ground kill are much more by guide ammunition (F-15, F-111) than gun run (A-10) and A-10 pilot are risk they live to do so And being latest war (ukr) both side gun run almost non-existence but rather kill everything by missile So right now CAS can do job without gun, even USA issue farm plane with missile and dump rocket

[@paulwilson8672]

@@SRDPS2 The great thing about the A-10 is loiter time. You always use stand off weapons and the A-10 can carry a lot, but also loiter longer than anything else we have. But most smart weapons require GPS which is easy to jam. Even Ukraine the drones are being jammed. Lots of what ifs. US has had the luxury of air superiority for almost 80 years. It makes a big difference. Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM) was a lost art when we made the F-4 without guns. Our kill ratio went down. That is why we have Red Flag and Top Gun. That is also why we have guns on our fighters. This is all great stuff.

[@georgepalmer5497]

I'd like to know more about this jet's radar cross section. I was kind of amused by the mention that our military could be intentionally low balling our jets in order to create impetus for increased military spending. I've wondered about that before with other military projects. But on the other hand, they say nothing is more expensive than a second best air force. Maybe we could build a very mobile ground based SAM system that could challenge the J20. That's a tall order, I know, but it might be a cost effective way of dealing with the J20, along with our current air assetts, of course.

[@andrewyork3869]

The question in regards to the J20 is radar, I have a strong hunch we can see this plane coming. If we can see there J20s why would ever tell them?

[@Val_Killmore]

The j20 radar cross section area is fucking massive compared to the f22 and f35 and the f117. Its more comparable to the B2 which is enormous compared to the j20

[@matthewnovak3095]

J20 RCS is supposed to be 1-0.1 m^2. I believe this was put together by Taiwan bc they had so many flyovers of the J20. For reference a Super Hornet when running no munitions supposedly has an RCS of 0.1 m^2.

[@prastagus3]

@@matthewnovak3095 there was no report of any J20 flyover from any Taiwan military open source reports. China is only one publishing such flyovers

[@aterriblefuze9540]

@@matthewnovak3095Reminder, this could be with radar reflectors on to hide the true RCS.

[@anasevi9456]

How the hell is it stolen? it doesnt look like any other jet I've seen, even delta wing ones.

[@DGZwiro]

Haha! Got ya! I'm here mainly to listen about software battles! Which by the way, really is underestimated topic. BMS are probably most important nowadays, not only in warplanes, but land and sea units also.

[@qm7885]

How to steal a technology that usa does not have😂

[@gengiz]

Gotta admit for a company that started in 1990 that’s quite amazing

[@marklandwehr7604]

Soon China will hire American and Western Pilots to tell him what all the buttons do😂 currently China is trying to employ a western Pilots to show them what to do with these Jets what all the settings are for they had the manual for the plane but not the owner's manual

[@johnparker7663]

I do not think that westen pilot does not know how it really work ask the developer of jets f35

[@CL_Hat]

@@johnparker7663 Why would "John Parker" write in broken english... 🤔🤔

[@EmmanuelAU03]

Braindead comment if they can manufacture there planes and it flies I'm pretty sure they will know what the buttons do. Literally makes no sense

[@Blue_Doge]

China: “J20 is stealth” Canards: are you sure about that?

[@BootedTech]

Since the J20 is built from espionage tech stolen from the U.S, yes it will most likely be just as good. However, the new F22 upgrades are going to surpass the J20 and the SU-75. This is why U.S built jets last longer and are the most upgradable.

[@andrewfarrar741]

Are we sure about this? What year are we in again?

[@tonysu8860]

The J-20 had been equipped with much larger and more powerful WS-15 engine before this video was published. As for overall J-20 capability, it's probably noteworthy that the US hasn't accelerated its NGAD production schedule and at least publicly continues to delay start of oroduction, unstead preferring to do some minor upgrades to its F-22 and selling and upgrading Taiwan the latest F-16V. That's effectively thumbing its nose at the J-22.

[@C-3POII45I4]

In fact, when people mock the quality issues of Chinese manufacturing, they do not realize how long the world market has been occupied by Chinese manufacturing. Many of our daily necessities and electronic products are made in China, and they may mock one or two extremely cheap products with poor quality, but more products are selectively ignored because most of the products produced by well-known manufacturers and companies are of completely qualified quality, But before these products have quality problems, people will never notice that they are even made in China. I mean’s. when the market is full of Chinese made products, the number of quality problems in Chinese products will naturally increase. However, compared to the large scale of Chinese made products, this proportion is very small, but Chinese made products can occupy the market, It indicates that under the operating laws of the free market, it can withstand tests. So, looking at everything in your own homes, how much is produced in the United States and Europe? I think many of the items in your home that have been in use for a while are made in China, as well as some come from Vietnam and other Southeast Asian countries. Even if many products are not made in China, you will find many parts from China after opening them, and you will not complain about the quality of these junk items from China until you know that they come from China. Just like the US military recently complained that some parts of the F35 fighter jet came from China. But these are not the key points. The key point is how many Made in USA products you have, and do you really think they can withstand the test?

[@Zhiqiang_Jiang]

come on, that's not J20, it's J10 modification version, J20 does NOT exist at all. What U have seen is merely CG.

[@shikyokira3065]

The problem with copying homework is your opponent knows your weaknesses and strengths