How Dangerous Are Knockoff Tool Batteries? Let’s find out!

[@ProjectFarm]

Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you! Milwaukee: amzn.to/3EcOdI7 Labtec: amzn.to/3YUpthe Amityke: amzn.to/3EbGOcj TENMOER: amzn.to/3Ec1Hno (no longer available) Milwaukee Power Supply: amzn.to/44N0b6h

[@400_billion_suns]

If there was a way to measure KZbin channels by the usefulness and value they provide to other people, I can’t imagine any other channel outranking this one. This man is providing an independent public service, finding a way to sustain it financially, and doing it all on his own without accepting influence from others. I wish everything in our world was this good.

[@jakester455]

He finds a way by having almost three million subscribers and he's monetized, so he's doing okay. LOL

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@brystmar]

Is there a way to measure KZbin channel effectiveness? *cue project farm voice* Let’s find out!

[@400_billion_suns]

@@jakester455 Yes indeed, but he had to do all the good work to grow his channel, and for a long time I’m sure he had to spend more on it than it returned. The fact that it’s financially self-sustaining now is great for everyone, because it allows him to do what he does without bias towards brands or sponsors. It’s a shining example of how somebody can create an honest business that benefits themselves and others through ingenuity, integrity, and dedication.

[@400_billion_suns]

@@brystmar 🤣🤣🤣

[@WarpedYT]

This is actually a much needed and very entertaining test ❤!!

[@azizchaudhry9544]

I read this comment in your voice! Love your videos!

[@WarpedYT]

​@@azizchaudhry9544thanks, not my voice right now though, I'm in the hospital with a brain injury... Really crazy stuff, but I made it.

[@Z-Ack]

This man has his notification box checked..

[@ZengShengLiu]

On the Max Torque test chart, you have the Milwaukee 5AH and 6AH label flipped.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@OldTooly]

You have earned my trust and respect sir. I don't buy anything without checking to see if you've reviewed and tested it first. Your time, effort and thoroughness is amazing. Many, many thanks.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!. That means a lot to me!

[@clayman7853]

This is literally the ONLY channel I recommend to All family, friends & co-workers. Informative, non-biased, useful knowledge. This is legit the best channel on youtube. Thanks and bless you sir!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@McTroyd]

"Buy once, cry once" are words to live by, but I'm glad you tested them anyway. Having had to use my tools in some sketchy environments, I appreciate the effort to not endanger the pricey battery system!

[@dosmastrify]

Never heard this before but yeah makes sense

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@OmarGarcia-bi7jq]

Sketchy? How

[@pete_lind]

Just remember that only way to put out a lithium ion battery fire is take the heat away , power cell itself has everything it needs to burn inside it . So dropping battery in bucket of water is most practical , after that the water should be treated as toxic waste . Lithium ion power cells have only few grams of actual lithium, even if it reacts with water , there is so small amount of material its no concern . Problem is that those power cell can get up to 1000°C/1832°F when burning , compared to wood fires burning temp being round 600°C/1112°F

[@grumpybollox7949]

@@pete_lind thanks for the info. i looked it up further an it seems you can estimate lithium content in a battery with a simple formula , grams of Li = 0.3 x Ah

[@AZisk]

This video could literally save lives. I always worry about using cheap batteries and chargers and would vote for more tests like this.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@bewernia]

Good point. This could be the most valuable test yet.

[@judgedre1504]

So true after that test where the battery Was smoking after being used, I was always scared to charge them Now I am scared to use them not worth it

[@1myunderscore]

I use genuine de walt batteries with adapters in all my tools de Walt or not

[@TheJohn8765]

I always take a look inside eBay/knock-off powered stuff. Some are fine and some are shockingly poor for basic safety design. PCBs need proper trace separation to avoid mains voltage jumping to the low power lines and killing you.

[@LAP1050]

👍Another great test Todd. Not only did the Milwaukee batteries out performed the knock-offs including the used Milwaukee. I’d say that the longevity of the Milwaukee batteries will also outlast the knock-off. This test actually confirmed that “you get what you pay for”

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@nonelost1]

Likewise, you don't get what you don't pay for.

[@emptylog933]

Idk, 3/4 the capacity for 1/4-1/3 the price can be very compelling depending on what you need.

[@throbbing1380]

​@emptylog933 a used Milwaukee 5ah battery is $25

[@erik_dk842]

@@throbbing1380 But it's a lottery getting a good one

[@ThioJoe]

This video solidifies my personal policy of never ever cheaping out when it comes to lithium batteries. My main reason has always been safety, but glad to know the performance is also another valid reason. Lithium batteries store an insane amount of energy and in a catastrophic failure even a small one can ignite anything next to it.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@christordorito4071]

Heyy, cool to see you here ThioJoe!

[@Techno4more]

Meh. It really depends on your use case. If you're a pro, yeah, you NEED the real batteries. But these knockoffs will be good enough for 95% of the average homeowner.

[@sportsonwheelss]

@@Techno4more if you are a pro, the Labtec is more productive. 4 Labtec vs 1 milwaukee all day. If you only have $100, Milwaukee can only powers one tools while the Labtec can use two while the other two on the charger.

[@Techno4more]

@sportsonwheelss yeah, if budget is a concern then ok I see what you mean. But if power is your concern, you need the real ones. Especially if we are talking about Dewalt 60v batteries which is what I use

[@PeterGriffer247]

This man deserves an AWARD for best testing/review item videos! Always a pleasure to watch!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@srgmag1971]

Yeah, I agree 1000%. But more than or apart from just an award, continued support so Todd can be able to sustain his tests and reviews that are part of an invaluable public service. Todd's videos are a universe better than those silly, non-sensical videos that flood youtube and unbelievably achieve big support despite being useless.

[@Redbloodroadrunner]

The sheer joy in the “we’re going to test that” is the best part 😂

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!! I have a LOT of fun testing the claims of manufacturers!

[@sinnerslikei]

I was just about to leave this same comment! 😂

[@_BAD_MERC_]

LOL, that's when manufacturers go into 'pucker mode'.

[@christopherpike2714]

Your work is OUTSTANDING. Without these kind of specific tests that deliver irrefutable numbers, we’d never know the difference. Thanks a million (amp-hours!).

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@KlodFather]

@@ProjectFarm - You uncovered a beautiful secret which I had not considered... The genuine batteries are using a larger cell such as the 21mm X 70.0mm lithium cells (that is what the size nomenclature means) for added power. I am also curious if they are using flashlight lithium batteries and not the higher current capable rechargables (but at reduced capacity) which is why Milwaukee is using the 21700 for the added punch. This is another reason why they use special cells in vapes which are made to produce much higher currents. I am also quite surprised that some of these batteries did not self destruct or just plain catch fire. Love your work. I would like to see the USA or EU mandate that the tool manufacturers settle on a standard battery interface and let the manufacturers of batteries and chargers battle it out for the best product, all compatible with each other. The nightmare of most manufacturers... But that is exactly what Android and the PC are... cross compatibility.

[@KLAWNINETY]

The biggest problem I have with the knock offs isn't the performance of the cells but rather the performance of the latching mechanism that connects the battery to the tool. The name brand batteries always latch much more securely and are made of better plastic that doesn't break as easily.

[@andrewedwards6548]

As much as i hate paying the premium for milwaukee batteries, i know they'll last longer and safer then the cheap ones. Another great video 👍

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@martinedwards4522]

yep

[@BoltRM]

Buy 4 Labtec for the price of 1 Milwaukee. Makes my mind up.

[@martinedwards4522]

@@BoltRM i bought 2 9.0Ah 18v for $90.... they are complete garbage

[@TherapyGel]

​@@BoltRMBuying 4 chances for a shop fire for the price of a Milwaukee lol

[@sphelx]

You are honestly an invaluable part of the youtube community. Your technical presentation, framing, lighting, audio, are all consistently top-notch. Your editing style wastes ZERO time, there's never a single second of your videos I want to skip. Your testing methodology is always excellent, appropriate, consistent, fair, and fully explained and shown. You are an *outstanding* shining star, and a premiere resource of invaluable information. Thank you *so much* for all your work

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! That means a lot to me!

[@sphelx]

You are more than welcome! Thank you for so much excellent content

[@hydorah]

This was a stunning idea for a test! Very well executed and I love the inclusion of an old OE battery

[@hydorah]

Here's a suggestion for you, best bicycle / motorcycle outdoor covers. Rain / UV protection keeping out / dealing with evaporating moisture / breathability and finally staying put in windy conditions, maybe storability as well?

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

The silver covers probably work best

[@ian74747]

I'm no handy man nor interested with power tools but since I get to interact with lithium batteries from powerbanks to smartphones, I got hooked up and entertained by how he tested all these batteries. When knowledge meets patience! Good job!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@Magrath]

Thanks for testing these. I recommend getting a clamp-on meter that has a hold-high function on it. It'll hold the value on the display at the highest current it sees. I've used it for testing short circuits and it works great.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the tip!

[@wychowanek90]

@Magrath For highest accuracy, a scope with the current clamp or a shunt resistor is the best bet.

[@graealex]

​@@wychowanek90Exactly, DMMs can't sample short occurrences of high values.

[@PropellerSteve]

It looks like the clamp is not fully closed, no way to get a good reading there.

[@shlomsi2000]

Exactly, I noticed that too, but after the the first 2 batteries he put the clamp correctly@@PropellerSteve

[@i.b.9903]

I don't know if you hear this enough, but just to spread some good vibes. Thanks for all that you do. You are making a positive impact on the world, and we all love you for your hard work!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much! This means a lot to me!

[@johnrtrucker]

I said it once and I'll say it again. This has gotta be the most underrecognized channel on KZbin! Always doing the lords work and giving the consumer the most information to get the most bang for their buck!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@brianwilliams3146]

Almost 3 million subscribers?

[@rentzusuken]

​@@brianwilliams3146Right? He must have been stuck in that truck for a few years.

[@born_again_torinos]

It's hard to beat almost 3 million subscribers as recognition.

[@dwade6322]

Dude,you are by far THEE most thorough on discussing different ways to prove or disprove why a product is good or bad. it's impressive seeing that used Milwaukee battery keep such a good rating vs the New Milwaukee Battery. Thats quality there 👍 New sub!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much! Thanks for watching and and subscribing!

[@gabrieljosue2451]

I just imagine the fear in a brands marketing executives eyes when you say “we’re going to test that” after a bold packaging claim 😂

[@bikeny]

Same feeling I suspect lock makers have when LOCKPICKINGLAWYER reviews their products. Both he and Todd certainly give manufacturers info that if taken under consideration would make their respective products better.

[@Nevir202]

@hellsfavoritesaltyberserke4724 What are you talking about? Haven't seen any of his videos which were trying to sell something, though I admit I haven't watched any in the last couple months.

[@sloanNYC]

Great set of tests. I just never trust no name knock offs with stuff that can catch fire, especially batteries. Good to know you get what you pay for in terms of power as well.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@-MindDrive-]

with the way cordless tooling is advancing, this test right here is probably one of the single most relevant thoughts on peoples minds when looking through the isles and the over all costs of what they put in their boxes. not only on the wallet but when done using a battery, that overload protection goes a long way especially if you turn your back on a battery while its on the charger or after heavy use

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@torinireland6526]

Ugh, I hate how much brands are pushing cordless tools these days. Most of the time a corded tool with an extension cord is just as good or better, but at a significantly lower cost with much better longevity. Which is probably why so many companies want you to buy cordless... so they can make you keep spending money on new batteries and tools.

[@-MindDrive-]

@@torinireland6526 i totally agree that a corded tools durability trumps cordless. I maintain a steel fabrication shop that also has Ironworkers constructing that steel. In a building working at a dedicated station- hands down corded tools, but myself and the field guys, having an infinitely long extension cord is not always an option. Sure they have welders and can run extension cords from that, but then there is the time it takes to unwrap/wrap up the cords. When you have a crew of 5-12 guys making 25-50$ an hour standing around because an extension cord got cut (not to mention all the time it takes to properly route an extension cord through walkways in a building to comply with OSHA) the $ it costs for a battery pales in comparison. For the home brew guy making a mess in the garage, it IS nice to have both, especially when you have say 3-4 different tools doing a job, the heavy hitters (grinders/saws etc) sure corded all the way, but having 1/4" and 3/8" impacts, drills and flashlights easily swapped using the same battery... well time is valuable on the weekends. Not to mention you dont have to worry about dragging a cord across or through vehicles around corners and the such. Both corded and cordless have their places. I started out with all corded tools and the aggravation that accompanies those problems are equally rivalled by the cost of cordless. Dragging an extension cord 100' in the air sucks but so does lugging around 3-4 batteries that same 100' in the air and only 1 left is charged.

[@maddiek9]

Thanks!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for supporting the channel. I really appreciate it!

[@sapelesteve]

Awesome & excellent testing as usual PF! So glad that we have you to do all of this product testing so that we as consumers can make well informed purchasing decisions! 👍👍👏👏

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for sharing!

[@martinauriemma2518]

This was a fantastic video / idea! Thank you for doing this much needed testing. I have been using 2 genuine Milwaukee batteries & 1 knockoff for about 3 years now. I haven't really noticed a difference honestly. The knockoff I have looks exactly like the genuine, almost like they were produced at the same factory-- Identical other than the bottom & side labels. Mine was made by a brand named Vanon.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for sharing!

[@jbstillman]

Great video. I've always bought the knock off 40v batteries for my lawn equipment. But they die after only a year or so... I then learned about not keeping them in the extreme heat of the garage. Now they're lasting much longer. On my last battery purchase I finally bought the brand name battery again, and so far it's far outlasting any of the knock offs. It does weigh a lot more too. I hate paying so much for batteries, but for certain things, like power tools, it's just worth it not having to have so many, and then having them die faster on you too. You end up buying more over time, dealing with the shorter life, and then getting rid of them vs the name brand one that is just built better.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

[@victorreppeto7050]

Thanks! This video presents a reasonable testing strategy for making sure the cells are safe. I would probably install a more conservative and replaceable fuse to prevent the Magic smoke from escaping. What other steps could I take to make sure a battery pack is safe?

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!

[@SteveLowe65]

Useful! I've been eyeing 'cheap' batteries, but I'll stick with the actual Milwaukee batteries after this! Also, testing suggestion: toilet fill valves. I've always just bought whatever Home Depot has on the shelf, but I feel like they're noisier and don't fill as fast as whatever the toilet had out of the box.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for sharing!

[@aresti98]

Second this!

[@AquaTech225]

I would agreed to that they do make some noise an aren’t that quick

[@fredinit]

Yea, dumb knob that works in IT - but I've used Fluidmaster whenever I've needed a replacement. I just checked my main-floor Kohler commode that's seen 18 years of daily use - Fluidmaster 400 series. All original parts - including flapper - Wife and I had the house built, I do all the maint. Unless the Weathertech guys snuck in overnight and changed it out, it's original.

[@TheUniquePlumberman]

I've been using Fluidmaster 400A for decades. I use the Pro 400 now but it's still pretty much the same. Only big differences, the pro series has a plastic flow restrictor in the shank vs a rubber one in the standard ones. I recommend removing the rubber (corkscrew shaped) restrictor from the shank before installing. If not, it will dramatically slow the fill of the tank.

[@ThriftyToolShed]

Excellent comparison. One minor observation was the amp meter clamp was not fully closed on the first 2 short circuit test for current in case it helps. Minor detail I know. I want to give only positive feedback for sure! Thanks so much for all the work you put into these tests!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@bc-nr5tj]

For clamp meter it's very important to fully close one othervise it will show wrong meaurmens, that i conclude first 2 measurements of short circut is wrong.

[@Merv-Bob]

@@bc-nr5tj I have a similar meter and for a 20 amp load cracking it open as shown in the video dropped the measured value to about 10 amps

[@bc-nr5tj]

@@Merv-Bob It's really about the location in the open, a little to the left, no result, in the middle, 50%, a little to the right, 70%.

[@neilholland4427]

I’ve always wondered if those knock offs were any good. Your videos are awesome. One of my favorite KZbinrs!!! Thanks for all the hard work! This is actually useful information that I actually use in my day to day life.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!!

[@olik136]

I don't actually buy knock off replacements.. BUT I have some no name devices that probably/maybe come with dodgy batteries to begin with. Like the polishing machine I use once a year or the small cordless screwdriver that never sees hard work.. or some random work lights

[@inadaze813]

I couldn't have asked for a better test. you do gods work for us blue collar workers, and it's fun to watch. Great work

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much! Glad to hear!

[@cosmicallyderived]

Amen, love the brotherhood, honor the king, fear God.

[@donchristie420]

@@cosmicallyderivedno

[@ChristianWagner888]

The cheap Labtec with about two-thirds of capacity at one-fourth of the price is quite impressive. It would work well for most applications except for the angle grinder. The original batteries would probably last 6 years versus more likely just 3 years of useful life for the knock-offs. In my experience, knock-off lithium batteries can have a greatly reduced life-span.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@smooth_ops2942]

The Labtec would be a great value for most people who just use it for Quarter inch impact jobs and regular drill use. I build cabinets and we have alot of these cheap batteries off amazon, for the most part they work just fine for our uses. Every once in awhile you will get a very weak dud, but overall getting 4 batteries for the piece of one is a no brainer.

[@Deveak]

Can always replace the cells with higher quality ones, as long as the bms and case are decent.

[@joesacher]

That is where the savings are usually lost in longevity battery cycle life.

[@a-k-jun-1]

Probably have a shorter life due to being discharged deeper than original batteries because of the lack of internal protective circuitry

[@SouthSideChiTown]

I would hope that channels like yours prompt the big manufacturers to step up their game. Thank you for your channel!!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@srgmag1971]

Or some governments to be strict about safety standards on industrial tools being sold to the consumers.

[@thomasazzopardi4760]

I really appreciated how you tested each battery in different applications and even testing the short circuit capacity. Your communication is clear and the data is very useful. I think I will stick to the name brand. Thank you.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@Tator_Soldier]

Would love to see a series comparing various sound deadening material. Especially different thicknesses/brands!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@dondraper2488]

You know he’s gonna get right on that…. 😀

[@dwaynemcallister7231]

I understand cork is a great sound blocker/absorber and fire proof too@@ProjectFarm

[@arnold8746]

​@@dwaynemcallister7231Rockwool works pretty good.

[@UserAccountID]

Finally asking the real questions people want to know.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@JohnnyTiscali]

If you ever choose to revisit this topic, it would be interesting to see how building your own battery pack stands! Also that 175 watt milwaukee power supply was something I never knew I needed...

[@meme5887]

If you know how to do the home Depot hacks, the Ryobi 40v batteries and power supply will give you a lot more juice. I'm a Milwaukee guy. But I recently learned to accept Ryobi as they are very versatile and fill in nice gaps left by Milwaukee. It started with an AMAZING deal on a 10in miter saw. I think it's the highest end on their 18v line. That was followed by the very nice and compact rotary station. The more expensive one which I got on clearance for about $30. And as of recent, their new swift clean carpet scrubber. Not the handheld one. The one with the hose. But hand tools like the impact, drill, etc, I'll stick with Milwaukee. Especially anything else where the battery becomes a huge obstruction like the cordless ratchet.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@davidbarker3591]

I rebuild power tool packs. Done Dewalt, Milwaukee, Ryobi, Hitachi, Snap On and Craftsman. When you build your own, it's all about the cells. If you use Samsung 25R, Sony VTC5, LG, EVE, etc, they will be as good as a factory pack, if not better..all about the cells..

[@davidbarker3591]

Comparing 21700 vs. 18650 is bogus though

[@fattydaddy4285]

@davidbarker3591 obviously comparing 18650 and 21700 isn’t ideal, but see the thing is, that’s what came in the knock off batteries and the 6ah Milwaukee had the 21700 you noticed the 5ah Milwaukee had 18650 also. The test was comparing OEM battery pack to knock offs… and he did a very thorough and informative analysis..

[@dumbitdownson1257]

I hope Labtech is prepared for the results of this one. Nice work, as always, Sir!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@percywilliams135]

Man that’s the best comparison I’ve ever seen! Very thoughtful on the testing, I’m very impressed with your process. Thanks and Milwaukee Tools should give you props for this test, I’m literally buying 4 new batteries from them based on your review!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@fir3w4lk3r]

Nice comparison. Most probably someone will have already brought to your attention the improper setup of the clamp meter. The clamp must always be properly closed around the conductor under test. Check at 12:30.

[@u9Nails]

I wasn't surprised by the genuine battery performance, but I was surprised that the knock-offs survived a drop test! This channel, Project Farm, is always answering the good questions! I really appreciate the content here!

[@jerryyu583]

There are battery kit case for all kinds of tools, so you can put Panasonic/SONY/Samsung or other power batteries in it, some might out perform than the genuine one’s a lot,and a lot cheaper.

[@AndyGneiss]

@@jerryyu583 Is there a good search term to find such kits for sale?

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@infernaldaedra]

​@@AndyGneissYou need to research the individual cells and buy them, Id recommend BatteryMooch reviews, last I checked Samsung, Sanyo, Panasonic are easiest to get. Sony makes the best lithium batteries overall but they are straight up Unobtainium like the discontinued VTC4-6

[@kclaptraffic]

I like this review, not so much for using the tool batteries but more for how well the cells perform. I build batteries for other purposes (drones RC airplanes, ebikes ECT) and seeing how the cells perform for each brand makes buying them for disassembly a little easier decision.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for sharing!

[@rcsays]

I used to work for the power company and saw a safety presentation that reached the same conclusion wrt OEM tool batteries versus knock-offs. Nice work, sir!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@jharbo1]

The Milwalkee is the way to go for safety reasons alone. Thank you so much!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@randysavage8963]

Absolutely fantastic , fair and unbiased as always . Thanks a lot Todd

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@NKPGarage]

Great video. I have both dewalt and knockoff dewalt batteries. For my high power tools the knockoff batteries die very quickly, but they're great for low power usage like my impact tools. Nice to see some real testing you did here. As always, love the videos, and love your testing methodology!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

[@reverse_engineered]

Great analysis of each of these batteries. It's a shame that the knockoffs advertise themselves as 6AH. Given the size of the case and cells, they seem to be intended as knockoffs of the older 5AH battery, in which case the Labtech performed very well for the price. The Amityke and Tenmoer are a real concern. Unfortunately, you just never know how well built they are until you test them and disassemble them yourself. I have no problem using custom-built packs, but it's important to start with a properly built battery management system, and then you have to choose reputable cells. With how common and cheap a basic BMS is, it's appalling to see the Amityke and Tenmoer using something that fails to live up to that. A simple fusible link costs almost nothing and a low-voltage cutoff is a super common 10 cent IC. I'm impressed by the Labtec and would have no concerns using them as a cheap alternative to a 5AH Milwaukee.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

Where do you recommend to get reputable cells?

[@Flojani]

Great video! Just a heads up: There is a mistake on the maximum torque graph at 4:28. It seems the old and new Milwaukee batteries were mixed up. New is supposed to be 183 and the used is 175.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the constructive feedback.

[@actraveler8309]

Great benchmark testing! Would be interesting to see how they perform at their low temperature limits.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@jasonlee5317]

Just leaving a message to say thanks. Your videos have helped me to offer good advice to my customers at an auto parts retailer. I learn a lot from you.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Glad to hear!

[@teknologyguy5638]

Great Info for testing the knock off brands. Concern I would have is they don't always stick to the same design over time internally. So Labtec might be good now, but next years "design" may look the same and be poor because they changed to cheaper cells, etc.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@billpanop383]

Great review. Always wondered about this. Always knew deep inside that the knock-offs would be about 1/2 as good, and your results pretty much confirmed my thoughts, How about a review of adapters that allow batteries to be useds from different manufacturers on different branded tools?

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ClipsByMiles]

@@ProjectFarmI’d also love to see tests for battery adaptors (dewalt/Milwaukee/makita/etc), especially if they can pass the temperature sensor information through to the tool or not

[@spagsketti]

I use an adapter on my 18v black and Decker tools that lets them use a 20v lithium battery. Since the Black and Decker 20v batteries are decent and the 20v tools are garbage it works great. The 18v line was solid with B & D then they screwed the customer on the cheap 20v tools. I got an 18v weed trimmer and can do a 3 foot by 52 foot area on one battery where the 20v trimmer would be out of juice in about 10 feet. I like the adapter and I have been using it for over 3 years. (the same one). I use it on the 18v hedge trimmer as well. The only 20v B & D tool that is holding up okay is the drill. I burned up the circular saw and the leaf blower is a joke. The 18v circular saw is indestructible almost. Now I do not use them for work just around my house so I do not need industrial quality tools. But I would not buy them again and would go with a better brand next time.

[@hhjones9393]

Thanks Todd! No question that the $$ Milwaukee would reign supreme. But wow! The $22 battery really did well. I was surprised! Great job as always!

[@michael931]

Would be a legit product if they were simply honest in the Ah rating.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@ToastyMozart]

​@@michael931Right? $22 for a 4Ah is pretty dang competitive against a $90 6Ah pack. But they just had to be liars.

[@tech99070]

@@ToastyMozart You can't sell anything on amazon being honest. unless they're going to come out with a "project farm says this is good value" badge or something, if they kept their listing but just lowered their specs to honest level, that would not drive any sales

[@Robert-Wilson]

Sadly with knockoff you never know when they may decide to change stuff inside so you may have a good one. Then later buy a new one and it trash.

[@klidraik]

This video autoplayed for some reason, and while I had no interest when it started (and wasn't looking for this information), I was glued. Bravo. Subscribed.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for watching and subscribing!

[@lelandcarlson1668]

The old adage "You get what you pay for." comes to mind. Yes, the tool manufacturer's batteries are pricier, but they definitely perform as advertised and much better than the knock offs. Great video as always! Your videos are extremely valuable to us the consumers. Keep it up!

[@brownro214]

Yes, the OEM batteries usually perform better, but are they 2-3 times better? Does the performance justify the much higher price?

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks, will do!

[@lelandcarlson1668]

Another part of the equation is what was the human cost for those knock off batteries? China is notorious for its human rights violations and outright enslavement of those citizens deemed less than worthy. I prefer to keep a clear conscience.@@brownro214

[@NicEphesians611]

I always watch the ads too, this channel is a necessity this day in age with so many companies putting out bogus products. Keep up the good reviews!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks, will do!

[@brianrosenlof388]

Would love to see this for the large Ego batteries, particularly the 7.5s. those things are $400 new. It would be great to find a good knockoff that doesn't break the bank.

[@Bakachu7]

Same, and with different brands as well. Todd has done similar tests in the past and it's always enlightening. Certainly better value in the brand name batteries. But, I wonder if you could buy multiple of the knock off brands and get a lot more run time, even if lower power, then just 1 brand name.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

@@Bakachu7 If you can do that, how come name battery can be called a better value ?

[@chrisa1125]

What's not to love about a guy with over 3 million subscribers who actually responds to his viewers here in the comment section. Best channel on KZbin!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@Adanacon]

Awesome video as always!! I’m a full time contractor and have been using Makita clones for years . I’ve never had an issue at all. Always use the manufacturers ( Makita ) charger because they have better charging algorithms.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for sharing!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@gregeplerwood6534]

I think i suggested this battery test, but never thought you could pull it off! Congrats! Now, another suggestion: Hose nozzles. Im constantly having to replace them because they break or their spray functions, including those screw adjustments that are supposed to stabilize the flow give out all the time.

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks another video idea.

[@Dwigt_Rortugal]

For what it's worth, I've had a simple brass twist nozzle (not a pistol grip), and it has outlasted everything else by years. Pretty sure it's American made. There's basically nothing to break on it.

[@artz9643]

Thank you for this video. I use Milwaukee cordless tools for work. I have been tempted by the cheaper knockoff batteries but I'm glad that I never succumbed to the temptation as you proved that it's not worth it.

[@duckswan9936]

I'm confused about the "not worth it" as you can buy four times the batteries getting well over double the capacity for the same amount of money. If Milwaukee had a 2 for one sale, you'd arbitrarily be choosing to ignore that and buy (less than) one instead. I'm curious as to why?

[@Khanmots]

@@duckswan9936 Not the OP, but you may have missed that they didn't just have lower capacities so they ran for fewer minutes, but they couldn't provide the same peak current flow much less sustain it. That really mattered for things like the angle grinder. You might have also missed the safety aspects. Like the battery that started smoking while he was using it. I've seen lithium fires first-hand. I don't want one happening in my hand. Personally I'll only be considering cheap batteries for lower-draw non-sustained uses now, which means I probably won't buy them.

[@user2C47]

​​@@KhanmotsI'm in the same boat. I always use genuine batteries in large power tools, but in less demanding tasks like lights the knockoff batteries seem to work well, so long as you don't put them on the fast charger.

[@kendall959]

​@duckswan9936 depends on your needs. I have about 10 genuine and 8 fakes. The fakes never last as long but at 1/4 the price, I don't mind switching them out more often. If your a occasional user, I think there fine. Had some for 4 years of daily use. No issues yet.

[@stephenrosenthal5252]

Yea i don't know bud. Im a dewalt user and i got 2 knock offs and a charger for 80 bucks. After 3 months of use im still grabbing the knock offs out of the truck first before 1 of my 10 dewalt batteries that range from 4 years old to 1 year old. So far they have been pretty worth it to me

[@Weatherby406]

I have a 12.0 on my Milwaukee hammer drill ice auger and it’s unbelievable.. drilled 60 holes through 22 inches of ice and still had half a charge. Not to mention it’s way faster than any gas auger Iv ever used.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@Colorado_Native]

The Consumer Product and Safety Commission should start using your lab results instead of their own. Keep up the great work. I hate wasting my money. The government already wastes enough of it.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you

[@duckpwnd]

Great video as always. I'd love to see a future video where you do the same tests on less expensive first party batteries like Ryobis and Harbor Freight house brands.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@jon10231]

Yes please.

[@annarettig4101]

Great content like always!!! Video idea: Best Driveway/Concrete cleaner. Maybe removing oil spots and such.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@tbelding]

Lye. I used spray oven cleaner (with sodium hydroxide - there are a lot that don't have it anymore) on my driveway. Spray it on, walk away. I usually did it twice, and then the next couple of rains made the stains vanish. Pressure washing worked too. Even the huge old oil stain my wife made by closing the garage door on a 5 quart bottle of oil. I tried gel drain cleaner, but it didn't work as well.

[@patzeuner8385]

Try cat litter to absorb excessive oil or grease. Then using a cheap oven cleaner on your grease spots, spray heavy amount on and leave for min. of a half hr or more at a moderate temp (70°s) keep the kids and pets away, then use an old broom to scrub and water to rinse. May have to use several times, depending on how much oil and grease is built up.

[@EM-fi2qg]

Add paint removal to that test. I struggle to get dried or semi-dried paint off brushed concrete.

[@patzeuner8385]

@@tbelding the only thing with using lye and walking away, is that a pet or a child could accidentally get into it and could cause serious medical problems with acid burns. Or someone could walk in it and carry it into the house on their shoes and ruin your carpet. Safety first....

[@ngacid7523]

love how direct and straight to the point this bloke is good on you !!!!!!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@coldfisao]

Thank you for your truly impressive, useful and informative work, as well as your incredibly efficient editing.

[@ProjectFarm]

My pleasure!

[@OctavianVesa]

Brilliant idea! I always wandered if the knock-offs are safe. Now I know better! Thanks for taking the time to do the tests. Another idea would be to test the fuel injection system cleaner additives (the ones in small bottles that need to be added when refilling) as there are so many but how would we know if they do the job. Thanks again.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@jackpestaner6925]

Super helpful, thank you for this!

[@aco2518]

I'd like to see counterfeit batteries tested this way too. There are a lot of counterfeit dewalts out there and It's getting dangerous to shop online at this point. A great video as always too! I never buy anything without seeing if you've covered it first.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@MrPaxio]

me too, but products and production lines and quality of products change over time. also varies factory to factory.

[@ShatteredF1re7733]

I tried to buy Dyson Batteries that were 1/3 the cost of the original. I learned that I should just buy original manufacturer batteries. They cost more up front, but you save money in the long run and have a better performing product. Its really a no brainer. Its kind of like dollar store button cell batteries. I wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole.

[@CF542]

I would love to see this repeated for Ego lawnmower batteries. Great video test as always!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@jcvd5047]

Another great test, thank you. It would be nice to compare batteries between classic brands (Dewalt, Milwaukee, Ridgid, Makita, Ryobi etc).

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ryanr.5878]

COMING UP ON 3 MILLION SUBS! VERY IMPRESSIVE! CONGRATS! BEST CHANNEL ON KZbin!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@herbiehusker1889]

Could you do a video about the performance of various battery vs plug in tools. Like power and effectiveness? Drills, impacts, sawzalls, etc?

[@ProjectFarm]

Great video idea! Thank you

[@CraigFromTheLand]

What a great well thought out review. I think for the DIYer that Labtec battery is for sure gold. I already purchased brand name batteries but if I even need replacements I'm for sure going that route. Thanks for all your hard work on this, amazing video!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@mikafoxx2717]

I could see using the battery as a cheap shell, I've seen people make a short wire to a larger external battery pack done before, or battery clips for the 12v batteries

[@mikeg6991]

Thank you so much for the ongoing unbiased reviews and quality content!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@brethatch2244]

I bought some off-hand 8.0 batteries for my kids power wheel conversion. They look to be exactly like labtech, but seller didn't list it specifically. It did cone in the exact packaging, and labeled the same. From full charge to its out she gets about 40 minutes of non stop driving. As always, love your videos

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

[@tghepburn1390]

As always, darn fine logical testing, and answering real questions I have about things I see online while shopping. Thanks!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@WrenchinIdiot]

I have the labtec ones and they work great for what I do. Just an at home work on my own junk mechanic. $22 versus nearly $100 makes the slight decrease in performance well worth it

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@slightlyevolved]

My biggest concern is that as they aren't honest enough about the output ratings, while they might be a decent deal and properly safe now.... What is going to ensure that it stays that way 2/3/5/10yrs down the road?

[@WrenchinIdiot]

@@slightlyevolved I’ve had mine a little over a year now with no issues. And at 1/4 the price of the genuine Milwaukee batteries, I’m not too concerned about how long they Last.

[@TheJttv]

So i used to sit next to the claims department at one of the major tool brands. I cant count the number of claims i heard about from fake batteries that burned down a workshop or shed. Then they would file a claim with our company only to denied bc it was a fake battery. Trust me its not worth the "cost savings"

[@ProjectFarm]

Great information! Thank you

[@Sashazur]

When you say fake, do you mean counterfeit, or do you mean cheap no name brands?

[@Alan-megan]

A fantastic KZbin demonstration without the crap. A well deserved subscription. Panasonic Lithium batteries are the Rolls Royce of all power tool batteries. Their cells are made in Japan and their charger provides 2 stage charging processing which I haven't yet seeing from other manufacturers. (please correct me if I'm wrong).

[@AlinTrinca]

Fantastic stuff Todd. Not sure if you've done this experiment before, but would love to see a test on UPS's. Considering one for my pc rig but unsure what to choose from, so many options and so little knowledge (at least on my behalf :D )

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.

[@EBuff75]

Great video, and directly applicable, given that I use Milwaukee M18 tools! Having spent some time scrubbing haze off of the windows on a new (to me) vehicle recently, how about a video on glass cleaners?

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ailivac]

Two things: In the first short circuit test the clamp meter was not installed right, so the numbers from that run are completely bogus, but it looks like you fixed it later. What were the nominal capacities marked on the cells, if you can tell?

[@chapmanhere3397]

He ain’t responding kinda sad

[@antsbruh]

Yeah still no answer

[@carmenmurphy2543]

He was primarily testing the overload protection of the batteries, not the short circuit capacity. The maximum battery capacity comparison was better illustrated by the load tests with fan, grinder, and impact driver showing that the OEM batteries provide the most capacity and peak loading capability.

[@corb5654]

Make your own video if you're so knowledgeable...

[@dubmob151]

8:43 yes, the current clamp isn't closed fully there, but regardless, the readings from these type of current meters probably don't really display peak readings because of their slow response anyway, so it may not be all that significant. It was more just to see what damage results from a direct short. That's not a likely situation to occur in any normal use, as the tool is unlikely to present a dead short like that, but that's a test no one else would likely try on their own, so it's interesting to see. I don't know if I'd be particularly concerned with sudden shorts happening though, as it should be fairly rare. If the batteries didn't have sufficient oomph to blow the fuse immediately, it'll just overheat and smoke as in some of the cases.

[@raymondedge8889]

As usual, your no nonsense approach to research and testing in controlled and repeatable environments is professional as hell!!!

[@jf_kv_]

For better or for worse, you do get what you pay for. Very impressive testing still. And good to know that some of the options at least offer SC protection.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@stevens6196]

Most OEM Milwaukee batteries were made in China also in CANADA.

[@twescher]

I've been wanting this one!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you very much!

[@Flies2FLL]

Excellent video! Those 18650 cells are just plain dangerous if they are punctured....

[@ProjectFarm]

Great point!

[@kirk464646]

i use them in my vape

[@Robert-Wilson]

Any lithium ion battery is dangerous if punctured

[@Flies2FLL]

@@Robert-Wilson True, but watch some of the 18650 videos on here....

[@ElkayLive]

One thing is for sure. Project farm has never released a boring or terrible video. Every video is a classic.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@mooganthefirst9560]

I use the labtech 6.0 everyday for work, from my personal experience, they stack up really well against a 5.0 m18 battery. Ive had no issues with them either, besides having to re sauder a wire inside it. Worth the price handsdown

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@chriskelvin248]

I like the cordless tool scheme in EU where all the manufacturers got together and standardized the shape of their battery sockets so that they are all interchangeable. This way, people aren't discouraged from buying tools outside from their current brand ecosystem. As you say, the battery is often the most expensive part of the tool.

[@Ariccio123]

WAIT THEY HAVE THIS?!

[@web3982]

Agreed! But it is almost impossible to see that happens in the USA any time soon. The US Companies tell the government what to do, not the other way around.

[@BASSstarlet]

@@web3982 dont be so sure about European goverments!

[@linuxares]

@@Ariccio123 Not yet but talks about it

[@arnefines2356]

What? We dont have this? I cant use my bosch batteries in a dewalt or mectools

[@ReaversRespite]

Love to see Milwaukee killing it with their quality control! Milwaukee batteries are not as expensive if you only pick them up during sales or giveaways at Home Depot. I've gotten many "free" battery bundles over the years, or paid $40 each for the large ones.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@jaredmeit6127]

You provide such a service to the people. Saving us money and more like being stranded, in the case of your jumpstarter review. I just wanted to say thank you!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@AgentPepsi1]

We also have some "off-brand" batteries for our Milwaukee (12V) and Makita (18V) tools. We use Waitley brand batteries, and they have been very good, much better than many of the other off-brand ones we have had. They are not as good as the OEM ones, but probably 70% or so.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@AgentPepsi1]

@@ProjectFarm ☺☺

[@CptnKase]

I only recently discovered your channel and instantly loved it. You asked for viewer suggestions so here's mine: As I'm sure you know, most people choose and stick with 1 brand of tools. I'd love to see you do a meta analysis (aka summary across all of your tool tests) to find the ultimate brand winner 🎉

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@FishyAbody]

One criteria I use when purchasing products is who owns what. I try to stay away from ‘corporate’ companies vs independent companies. Most of the tool brands have been bought out and are owned by corporate conglomerates whose intent is profit and gobbling up other companies. I make an effort to avoid these companies unless there is a significant difference in price and quality. For example, you can’t avoid buying a car from a conglomerate car manufacturer - a small car brand just cant compete with them. Power tools, on the other hand …

[@SumDumChum]

Love this, I've always contemplated knock off batteries. But my biggest need is duration of time. But given these tests I can be sure to NOT buy any knockoffs. Thabks for all your great videos!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

[@dquinn8344]

Every Project Farm video is consistently great...No BS...

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@ssclassof2000]

It would be really nice to see the same test on Ryobi, Hercules and Bauer Batteries since they are much cheaper than Milwaukee when on sale and you can get adapters.

[@RickBaconsAdventures]

wait does someone really make knock off harbor freight batteries? lol

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@aussie2uGA]

It all comes down to the quality of cells they use, just like buying a Tesla vs Nissan Leaf. Milwaukee doesn't skimp.