How Dangerous Are/Were Russia's Guided Missile Submarines To Surface Fleets? | Sea Power

[@blake9908]

1. air pressure assists in the underwater launch of missiles. 2. Target identification can be derived from any combination of: Radar signature/EM, engine speed or sound, Prop speed, Known cruise RPM's on the propellers, acoustic signature in general, if a target has a unique active sonar, periscope ID.

[@grimreapers]

You can start to see why spies are so important now to get that data?

[@golfecho7240]

I know that they can also record the passive sonar’s audio and keep records of all of the different frequencies of the noise that each ship emits. You could even pinpoint the exact ship you’re tracking depending on different factors. I know that the us could track a certain victor submarine because they knew that it was noisier than the others of its class.

[@paulsparks771]

All subs have tapes of all the various contacts their county as encountered and were able to record. For example, when Seaman Jones tells Capt Mancuso he got the sonor contact on tape,

[@rudi_ghuliani]

@@grimreapers Just like that scene in Red October when "Jonesy" hears a new boat for the first time. Each vessel makes a slightly different noise, even within the same type rating. Those tiny details allow people to identify not only what type but in some cases the exact boat or ship.

[@LincolnMiller-di8qv]

From what I have heard from current and former usn submariners the sonar techs look and listen to the sound signatures long enough to memorize certain sound profiles of diffrent classes of ships

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

The animations of the various models is superb.

[@bravobravo7901]

RUSSIA IS STRONG!

[@briannewman532]

I was a US submarine sonar tech in the 1990's, and I can tell you the Oscar class subs were taken very seriously by the United States Navy.

[@trentvlak]

That Oscar would be trailed by an attack sub from its port and sunk before it launched missiles.

[@rayotoxi1509]

@@trentvlak aint a perfect world my guy

[@FerroEquus-262]

@@trentvlak The Seawolf class were designed to deal specifically with the large Soviet subs.

[@briannewman532]

@@trentvlak and this is part of what we did, but as someone else pointed out out, it’s not a perfect world. The Oscars were not always easy to maintain a track on.

[@gregorylumban-gaol3889]

@@briannewman532Since the Oscars are being phased out, that means the Boreis and Yasens are the new threats right? Wonder what improvements they have.

[@flddoc2]

Every ship that uses a propeller, subs included, makes a characteristic, signature sound that is identified by every talented sonar operator. The sound is so specific the ship itself can often be identified. Speed, size and number of propellers provides these signatures. Water temperatures and sea state affects the sound but surface ships are simply hard to hide due to what it takes to propel gigantic hunks of steel through water. Subs have the extra bonus of moving deeper and hiding within temperature layers (thermals) along with incredible engineering to hide its movement.

[@doltBmB]

the DEMON is something else

[@Verklunkenzwiebel]

Diesel electric subs are known to have sailed underneath Russian surface ships and have taken photos of their propellors through the periscope. When submerged they were pretty much undetectable.

[@makarevych]

In this game's predecessor, Cold Waters, you had to match a sound frequency profile to a known database when you first spotted someone. It was more interesting than Sea Power now.

[@bigchiggatmac1181]

absolutely loving this new era of cap playing sea power watching your excitement for something new makes it so much better

[@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh]

You pinpoint a major flaw of the game ! a subs cannot transmit infos at long range unless it raises its mast... and thus becomes detected... there are buoys that a sub can launch to send the message with a delay, to provide enough time to move away, but then the infos is delayed... Detecting a ship target at range for a missile attack is not that easy, and that's a real flaw of the game.

[@bravobravo7901]

US CARRIER GROUP? VERY SUCK! LOL

[@killman369547]

There are some underwater communication devices submarines have, but i have no idea if soviet subs had them at this point in time.

[@DaweSMF]

Kinda doesnt matter when the player doesnt need to transmit anything right, if one of his units knows some info, he knows it and thus all units under his control know it as well. As you pointed out, its game.

[@leeharris7727]

@@killman369547Gertrude (or whatever the soviets called it). It’s basically an underwater phone, with the sound directly transmitted directly through the water. (Think high tech 2 paper cups and string…) Has to be close range, certainly not useable for transmitting tax data.

[@Heldermaior]

​@@killman369547they did. ELFs. But they also had directional communications and set times to raise ESM mast. Like 13:00 raise the ESM mast to detect possible contact information.

[@Шарнхорст]

Modern US ships have a system called Prairie/Masker, which basically forms a wall of air bubbles around the screws and the engine compartement of the hull, acting as a "sound mirror" if you will, reflecting the sound back inside.

[@Arks1103]

Answers to your questions: 1. By the passing of time, ship designers became more and more aware via experiments and testing that what types of propellors are to be used for making the least amount of disturbance in water and hence, least noise, that's why a perry is quieter than a Knox and a Tico is quieter than Belknap. 2. Submarines do not communicate under water, for conveying information and receiving orders, they have to come to periscope depth and raise their comms mast to send and receive data via SATCOM. 3. Each class of ship had a unique set of propellors used in them, or some variations at least, this sound of props was recorded by the subs and was later used in the recognition of the class of ships, in some case, the sound of the props was so unique and clear that not only the class of the vessel, but the exact vessel could be identified by name ! 4. Missiles that are fired subs have to pushed out of the launch tube via compressed gases which are stored in side in container cells, this provides the lift to the missile to break through the water and once it is in air, the engines fire up and the missile goes off to the target.

[@bravobravo7901]

YOU'RE CIA! YOU'RE CIA! YOU'RE PAY BY AMEIRKIESE GOVERNMENT!

[@bravobravo7901]

GO HOME! YANKEEPIG!

[@iplaygames8090]

2. submarines can communicate underwater but at extremely low range.

[@Arks1103]

@iplaygames8090 Talking in general sense, don't go for very rare cases.

[@Tank50us]

@@Arks1103 I mean, the way Soviet subs operated this would be used pretty often as they operated on the idea of escorting the Boomers and Guided Missile Boats. The idea was that they knew NATO was out looking for them, and if the order to launch came, the SSNs of NATO would take a shot to stop them. It should be noted however, that this actually made it easier for the NATO subs to locate and track the Soviet Missile Boats as while they were a "hole in the water", their escorts weren't nearly as quiet. So if you were in a LA-Class SSN and located a pair of, for example, Victor-IIIs, you wouldn't need to do much tuning to locate the Delta-III they were escorting

[@mcelravys]

I believe the Passive sonar can hear the launches and the clunking of the missile doors.

[@thememers_dude]

well no o ne expect a nuclear sub to survive after the launch of the nukes

[@TheEngineeringTactician]

Referencing the shipwrecks: they are actually smart enough to split targeting, so their onboard computers found all enemy combatants you pre-IDed, then split based on target size to try and take out the whole surface group. That is probably why the shipwrecks are the scariest missile in the russian arsenal in this game

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Funny since they never actually worked right in RL.

[@TheEngineeringTactician]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 tbf neither does any soviet tech. Unfortunately if games were to go more accurate and add a 30-40% debuff from the "declassified" numbers for soviet equipment, the commaboos would complain to the high heavens

[@simeonbailey9799]

⁠@@TheEngineeringTactician wouldn’t that be because the tech is old?

[@TheEngineeringTactician]

@@simeonbailey9799 More just that 90% of soviet tech was vaporware when it was produced, let alone now 30+ years later. But the commaboos will not allow doubt of mother russia

[@RomanianReaver]

@@TheEngineeringTactician 1). EW is much better now than it was back then, Tomahawks from the 1980s drops to sub 20% accuracy if a S-400 system even looks at them funny (just check what happened the one time Trump ordered a significant salvo of them fired at a Syrian airforce base. 2). If you need proof, look up the reports from the UAF that HIMARS and every single other piece of smart ordinance the US or NATO has sent drops in efficiency like a brick within 6 months (HIMARS is now a strategy, read GRAD, level weapon to Ukraine while not firing ATACAMs, those smart 152 shells the US provided are also in the 10-20% accuracy range). To be blunt it takes a very big retard to forget the fact that once you pass the mid 90s everything that isn't hellishly good at resisting EW is gonna get fucked (it's why Russia uses very sparingly Zirkons in Ukraine as they are sans the Poseidon, one of their current best anti-ship solutions).

[@mattybob12310]

I'm here so early it's only me & the Sex Bots..... HELP!?! Also, Cap, I know it might seem like taking a step backwards but, Playing through and learning Cold Waters really helped me get a feel for Submarine Warfare! But I understand you have experts at hand and time constraints :P. As for difference in Db levels from newer Ships, it's just as simple as advancements in screw designs and more efficient engines.

[@christopherchartier3017]

lmao “HELP!?!”

[@Nova_ODT]

Don't worry, I'm here with you brother

[@obamium4265]

Me & the Sex Bots sounds like a cool band name ngl

[@decareaux9959]

Exactly what blake said below, countries do what they can to gather data via sound cuts. This goes into their database of sound profiles and classifications. So decibel levels and prop noise etc is linked to a class of ship which in turn is used for targeting etc. there are other passive ways like Blake mentioned, the radar/EM aka passive radio signatures etc. really cool stuff. [USN 2013-2021 | SSBN 740 2015-2018]

[@bravobravo7901]

YOUR COUNTRY GOING TO DOWNFALL! LOL

[@grimreapers]

Amazing stuff.

[@Verklunkenzwiebel]

Radio and Electronic warfare operator in 70's and 80's. Radar signatures recorded on open reel drives, later on (don't laugh) compact cassette. Combined with cavitation sounds it indeed was possible to actually name a ship based on noise and emission signatures

[@coced]

Im sure the fog of war mechanism will be updated also it would be nice to see different damage models like hulls splitting and sinking animation !!

[@Cris-xy2gi]

This is actually intended from what I’ve heard from the devs. It’s extremely difficult to make an AI that can properly operate submarines, so having a comms blackout where there’s an hour or two real-time where you can’t give the sub orders would make them almost impossible to use. Fleet Command has comms blackout for submarines, and yeah they’re basically useless.

[@FlyMysticalDJ]

An oscar could have 24 nuclear tipped shipwrecks. P crazy.

[@bravobravo7901]

GO RUSSIA! GO PUTIN!

[@TheSlugstoppa]

To use their maximum range the Russians first relied upon the 'Big Bulge' radars carried by the TU95 (Bear D) and Kamov 27 helicopter to provide 'Over horizon' targeting. later they had Radar and EW satellites (RORSAT & EORSAT). The whole system was very cumbersome and vulnerable to E.W. interference as well as physical destruction by Carrier- borne Aircraft. One of the reasons the Harpoon ASM missile was developed was to be able to attack the Echo sub whilst it was on the surface (where it had to stay whist it's SSN - 3's were in flight). The lead SSN - 3 would transmit it's radar picture back to the sub for mid - flight guidance update by the Weapons Officer via the (Front Piece C) data TX -RX antenna you saw rotate on the front part of the Conning tower. Once updated the boat could then dive and clear the datum. Oh and yes this sim is OUTSTANDING!!

[@Verklunkenzwiebel]

In the aftermath, my suggestion is to read some Tom Clancy books. Red October for starters. The books tell you a lot about US/NATO doctrine, and composition of naval carrier groups and allocated ASW elements. Remember, hunter-killer submarines like the 688's are a force to be reckoned with.

[@t.r.4496]

I bought Sea Power Friday and I am in the learning phase. Thanks Cap for all the info you have been putting out for us.

[@jemimus]

You wanted to know about the real-world operational history of the P-700 Granit (NATO: SS-N-19 'Shipwreck') The P-700 has successors, the P-800 Oniks (NATO: SS-N-26 "Strobile"), which has both air-launched and ground-launched options , and the P-800 derivative joint Russian/Indian variant: the BrahMos Missile. As far as is know, the P-700 has never been fired in anger. They are still in operational use, on the Pyotr Veliky, the only currently active Kirov Class battlecruisers and probably still several Oscar II subs. Reports are that it is now finally being phased out in favor of the Zircon missile. The P-800 export variant, called "Yakhont" . was purchased by Syria in the land-attack role and reportedly used in 2016 against ISIS targets, by either Syrian or Russian forces. The P-800 has also been used by Russia against targets in Ukraine. The Ukrainians reported in August of 2024, that over 200 Oniks had been used against them, but that the success rate of shooting them down was only about 6% As far as know, BrahMos has never been fired in anger.

[@tetraxis3011]

Would the Zircon be the P-900? or is it in a new series?

[@exidy-yt]

As I understand it, it's a slug of compressed air launches the missile out of the sub towards the surface, and when it breaches the air-breathing engine engages, and death is on the way.

[@OutboundFlight87]

In reverse. It's a slug of compressed water that pushes the missile and the air pocket out. Keeping the missile dry until it's above the water

[@exidy-yt]

@@OutboundFlight87 derp. I think I was told that before and forgot, thank you!

[@99IronDuke]

A carrier group would normally include a attached SSN hunter-killer sub as part of the escort...

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Its what i dislike about his videos.

[@sulyokpeter3941]

Yeah, but how you hunt down a submarine which is 200nm away from your CSG and firing missiles UNDERWATER towards your CSG? Good luck. Even if you have a submarine assigned to your CSG, 200nm range is no joke. Your hunter-killer submarine will watch your CSG sinking, and cant do shit. Especially if the enemy AWACS from 200nm away giving away your CSG position. Nothing you can do about it. Nothing.

[@Gnashes]

For the question at 10:00 - Since they've detected your missiles and are firing in response, their radars are almost certainly on. Every ship/sub has a recognizable radar emission signature, to the point that US subs often carried fishing trawler radars to use instead of their own.

[@rotteneggs29]

US subs carry a commercial radar for redundancy. US subs also only run their radar very rarely, anyways.

[@nonyabisness6306]

during the cold war a large part of the submarine attack fleet would wait in front of enemy harbors and wait for ships to leave, with a focus on the subfleet. they would record the specific sonar signature and then you could identify them later.

[@Hawkathon]

I’m not sure about Russian missiles but American TASMs and TLAMs can be fired from a depth of 61m (200’) from the torpedo tubes or 21m (68’) from a VLS.

[@chrisk_nfl4120]

You can see now, Cap, why our country's navy reportedly spends so much of its allocated defence spending on submarines. The Astute and Vanguard class are some of the best out there, with the capability to do things like this. Submarines are some incredible naval technology, I've always loved them, especially after watching Hunt for Red October (where I reckon most of us started to love them) EDIT: 15:30 - I think you actually inadvertently put the battle right near. or even on, the Mariana Trench! 😄😄

[@RomanianReaver]

The Astute and the Vanguard are good to great, the Yasen is excellent and the Chinese are rushing to match the Yasen so as scary as the Astute and Vanguard are, and they are great boats, the Yasen is a ship that can vanish under the background of standard oceanic sounds, it's basically impossible to track reliably even if you're on it's tail.

[@burritowrap]

Sub brief is an excellent channel for submarine information. Has concise half-hour videos on about every sub

[@Weed8Gone]

To your question about data sharing. I joined the USN in the 1980s and first learned of NTDS at that time (Naval Tactical Data System). I didn't get to see it at that time even though my ship was equipped with it. In my part of the ship we did it the really old fashioned way by writing on plexiglass with grease pencils and I can't think of a slower and less informative way to pass information. It wasn't until the late 1990s that I got to work with NTDS and while I am not going to give you any details, I think I can tell you that the tactical display looks pretty much like the one in your game. How much information it has and how accurate it is is dependent upon what is known and what is true and what can be communicated by the observing party. That information can be shared with all assets in theater and with higher.

[@bofwappy]

Carrier groups travel with fast attack submarines. Would like to see that factored in also choppers would be up dropping torpedoes.

[@speedyham545]

Ship identification for submarines is largely by their acoustic signature, of which every ship is slightly difference, and sonar techs on subs have been logging other ships and subs since the 1950's. By the acoustics they can tell the ship's speed, prop speed, and heading. If that ship has been positively ID'd previously- they can tell with pretty good accuracy what ship it is.

[@nathanellis3111]

I've been interested in submarines since you started playing this. I was watching a show called Hell Below. Its about the tactics of the U boats off the coast of Canada and down to New York. I live in Nova Scotia and the Germans were hunting off the coast of Halifax.

[@Vlalkori]

Keep in mind that time dilation above 5X makes the game a bit wonky when it comes to missile and plane physics, I have seen planes just yeet themselves in the ocean and just park there, not dead, just alive and parked at the bottom of the ocean.

[@patrickstivers7387]

I've heard that it also has them flying into space.

[@simonhall8979]

Probably late to the comment section, but if I recall the missile is launch underwater using compressed air, and then fires it engines after getting just above the surface of the water.

[@SteelHand071]

You can effectively "ripple fire" the 24 missiles in one go in the game. As soon as the first lot of 8 start firing, select another salvo straight away and they should fire straight after with no delay and then do the same for the last 8 which should have 24 missiles arriving at roughly the same time

[@CPTater]

Escort ships would do a 'sprint & drift ' to check for subs. Full speed for awhile to get distance, then down to steerage speed and trail out sonar cable and listen. So you might see very loud ships that disappear.

[@Tank50us]

And then the subs Sonar operators (in this instance) would hear what sounds like a vacuum cleaner above them (S-3 Viking), or an annoying Buzzing (SH-2 Sea Sprite).... all followed by a very ominous splashing sound....

[@PeterNXavier]

It's quieter because they are further away... Each prop makes a unique sound. The sonar officer is in charge of listening and then identifying the type of ship and sub that it is

[@alexanderstenmark8838]

I don't want to shill for someone, but if you care for really learning a lot about submarines I'd recommend a guy called Sub Brief. He's got well, sub briefs on most of the classes mentioned, since that's his thing.

[@RSProduxx]

Love the details in the game.

[@Verklunkenzwiebel]

Also, the sub shoots, but in doing that its position can be triangulated. It should dive deep and scoot. A helo with depth charges and torpedos will be on its datum in no time

[@Heldermaior]

So, wet launches are the biggest air rifles in the world. Conpressed air propels the missile out and then the assisting rocket or the missile jet/rocket takes over. Sound signatures are recorded. There are certain harmonics that are common to certain parts of the ship, screw type, shaft, engine rotation (diesel/turbine/nuclear) etc. They record these sounds usually as dhips leave port and then build a database.

[@iplaygames1380]

You need a radar jammer theoretically such as a EW aircraft this game is so much more immersive. Pretty cool

[@timothycowher1175]

The problem with a sub with 200KM range missiles is that even in the case of surfacing it will likely get a launch off before the targets can do anything about it. Not even a tomcat could cover that distance before the missiles were launched. From what I know about US doctrine, mostly from authors like Tom Clancy or some of the older fleet games were that the US always tried to have hunter killers like Los Angeles, 686, or the most recent which I can't remember off hand in position to pickup and shadow the SSBM and SSGM as the left Russian water. Would hate to be in that position as a captain and hear the missile doors open on a Russian SSGM or SSBM and have to make the call to stop a first strike or not shoot at a training exercise.

[@jhamby8773]

I had a family member that worked on a sub for years, he would LOVE to give you allllll the info on subs

[@OutboundFlight87]

As you noted Cap the missile launcher on the subs is actually the same system they mount on the slava and other cruise missile equipped Soviet ships

[@OutboundFlight87]

Additionally I believe the launch depth was no deeper than 100ft or so

[@OutboundFlight87]

Also on the Echo that dish is the fire control and tracking radar. I may be wrong but the echo needs to stay surfaced until impact.

[@vonsmutt4254]

Watch jingles he's been playing this game for a minute he can fill you in on a lot of things❤

[@Aminuts2009]

The simple answer for the lower decibel signatures is usually due to sound dampening technology advancements. Shock dampening systems ect. USN 77-83

[@FelisLeopard]

I think that wiggling around happen because you used time compression. Faster you set the time, more sensitive the missile controls becomes and at some point (5-10x) missiles simply cannot fly straight. Most likely it happens, because game logic uses frame time to calculate physics and missile "autopilot" reaction. More compression means faster flight andbigger inputs in the same time period. Developers should account for the time compression.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

From what I understand from talking to people who listen to passive sensors (radar and sonar), these operators just know what different targets sound like. For example, S-400s have a different sound than Patriots.

[@RSProduxx]

They specfiically get trained on that. And in case they don´t know a sound, they have a sound library just as there is optical identification data for known ships.

[@eaches]

Knox - old diesel, Perry - gas turbine, variable pitch prop, etc. Did they model prairie maskers? Just all around newer/quieter tech. Definitely read up on the prairie masking system.

[@philcharles238]

Watch some of the guys that play Cold Waters - it's a solid sub sim that will help explain modern ASW tactics.

[@andyf4292]

found a bunch of player missions in the steam workshop... theyve even got a version of 'dance of the vampires'

[@RedBeardTheFirst]

Idk if the Knoxs had it but the OHP frigates had Prairie/Masker which makes them quieter

[@DirtyHairy1]

@14:20 hah :) I am unsure if the lookout crew would survive the CO poisoning. or the 3rd drgree burns

[@richarddickjohnson516]

Everyone keeps talking about propellers as if that's the only source of spund on a ship/sub. Every individual vessel will have a unique combination of propulsion, power plant, and other electronic or mechanical systems that produce specific sound profiles. If, for example, you have 20 ships of a class, but only 3 of them have a particular variant of power plant, then they will stand out from the rest. If one of those 3 also has a particularly loose/unbalanced ventilation fan somewhere, it can then be identified as a particular ship of that class. Every change in design, hastily made repair, overhaul, or manufacturing defect can contribute to the sound profile. Spies planted in dockyards and "fishing boats" or even tailing subs can gather these acoustic profiles along with visual reference of each ship to compile the records needed for identification

[@LordOfCinder85]

Generaly ships have unique sound profiles. With the proper data you can at least identify the class of ship. If your data is detailed enough or a ship has a very unique sound profile, it is even possible to identify individual ships within a class. Even today making audio recordings of ships and submarines and analysing them is very important. Pretty much every time when vessels from different nations are close enough, someone is going to be listening and later analysing all the sonar data. Radar emissions can let you identify ships to a degree too.

[@hartzaden]

as for identification, some ships are nosye in certan fequency bands, that pluss other know factoers like turns of the prop per knot of speed and screw config help alot, puss if they are actave on sonar also helps.

[@hartzaden]

Cap, did you know the tubes for the shipwrecks on the kirov is taken entirely form a sub, including the need for them to be flooded to fire?

[@killman369547]

I would say yes these missiles are still a threat for a couple of reasons. The first being that the Russians do upgrade their equipment over time and missiles are no exception. So what might look like a 1980's missile on the surface is probably not a 1980's missile under the metal skin. The second reason is that the P-700 is nuclear capable. You could in theory have an Oscar class submarine with 24 nuclear tipped anti-ship missiles and just one of them needs to get through to delete a carrier battlegroup.

[@harritudur176]

Im shocked you knew nothing about the nuclear powered, missile shooting submarine yet, Cap. It's the most complex and devastating weaponsystem ever created by mankind! As the most important part of the mutual assured destruction, it probably saved all our lifes several times alreday. We're all MAD!

[@TurbineFlyer]

Subs are by far my favorite other than fighter jets. Because subs are flying underwater.

[@doltBmB]

If you really want to learn nuclear Submarines, then there is no way around it. You have to play SCS Dangerous Waters. Older game, very detailed sim, but there is multiplayer which I know you Grim Reapers love to do.

[@mburland]

When I was twelve, I helped my daddy build a bomb shelter in our basement because some fool parked a dozen warheads 90 miles off the coast of Florida. This thing could park a couple of hundred warheads off Washington and New York and no one would know anything about it until it was all over.

[@larrybanta8858]

Subs are great area and needs more videos.

[@zsavage1820]

They can even hear the torpedo or missile doors open with sonar

[@Token_Civilian]

Interesting scenario. I suspect like the previous surface based 50 mile range scenario's, it's not necessarily realistic. Kill chain. Break it at any link and you don't get the kill. Need to find the target. Classify the target (warship, merchant, etc). Identify the target as friend / foe / neutral. If you're using off board sensors for this, then you have to relay that info to the shooter. So, the hypothesis of this scenario is that the Victor gets within 40 miles and can pass targeting info to the Oscar. I suspect in reality, with ASW helo's up and S-3's up and depending on where they are, with P-3's up, it would be challenging for that Victor to get close enough to get said targeting info. What's a 70's-80's carrier have, 10 of the S-3's? I suspect they'd have anywhere from 2-4 up at any given time scouring the seas well out beyond what the helo's from the escorts can cover. Additionally, I suspect the commander of the sub isn't in (what shall we say to get past the YT "sensors") self deleting mind frame he'll only shoot if he thinks he can do so without getting near insta-deleted by a helo, S-3, ASROC, etc. Perhaps try a scenario where you know roughly where the AC Battle group is (say from 2 hour old satellite info) and you're trying to close in to get exact data with that Victor. The CV group is on full ASW defense mode.....can you get in close enough to get an adequate ID? Throw in 4 x 50% chance neutral freighters, or have one of the boys build the exact scenario and give it a try.

[@deepat]

When you learn, we learn Cap.

[@robinschingen6757]

About the behavior of the SS-N-19, i read about something called Boids algorithm from 1984 wich models flock behavoir mathematically and was, according to wikipeda, used for LOCAAS in 1998. Would be interessting to know if the missile had enought computing power for something like this or if their maneuvers were preprogrammed.

[@__flocka__9176]

I think were forgetting one variable, The U.S Silent Service.

[@warmstrong5612]

Hold a plastic bottle underwater then let go. It will shoot up out of the water which is a simplified example of what the missile does.

[@JuhaNyman]

I hope the game gets the Ohio class SSGNs too, those are insane.

[@5Andysalive]

Very cinematic intro! A bit spoiled by the game does smoke around structures. They really need to improve that.

[@KCS-KOBRA]

To get good hits you need to jam the ships, only way I got these missiles to really make a difference

[@FleetDefenderRA5]

If memory serves, I believe both Iran and Iraq fired Chinese silkworms. I am not sure if the Slava fired any missiles in the current war. CAP: were the E-2s lit? If so, I think Tomcats could have shot them...

[@rodneypilgrim2047]

You missed the chance to watch the missiles coming out the water and igniting. Made me sad every single time 😢

[@lohrtom]

Does the ASROC launcher on the Adams class DDG have a nuclear option?

[@harrystone8847]

Every 3 DB's is doubling of the sound. 20 DB is twice as noisy at 17 DB.

[@Verklunkenzwiebel]

If the Russians have 'obviously peaceful' fishing boats or otherwise 'civilian' ships in the vicinity then the sub would either raise an antenna or stream an antenna near the surface and use QRP to send them information that would be relayed. Alternatively narrow beam satellite comms, for which they also need to surface. Mind you if the carrier group has combat air patrols and hawkeyes aloft, detection would be possible. Naval ASW patrol airplanes like Neptune (1960's) or Orion (1970's-onward) could passively detect subs using Magnetic Anomaly Detection, or actively using sonobuoy. The carrier group would have helo's with hydrophones or sonobuoy equipment At the time, the carrier would be the main body, where the destroyers and frigates would form a screen facing the threat bearing. Oh dear, the PC game "Harpoon" had all this on board.. Russian subs from the 50's and 60's were very noisy, especially when sailing over 20 knots. During the Cuba crisis the US had SOSUS buoys on the Atlantic seabed, and could track Foxtrots racing towards Cuba when things heated up.

[@mcelravys]

Aren’t you close to the Marianna Trench?

[@stephensaikawa]

Help I'm so early that I can see more sex bots and less actual comments.

[@bravobravo7901]

LOL JUST LIKE YOUR COUNTRY! POOP!

[@shippy34]

thus report them, the more reports the better, they will eventually get the message

[@Assmagnus]

Ask me about my sexy dance

[@vsathevolvoman2543]

Granit are called shipwreck, in game are weak, they go soo low, often carrier group been fired upon, is jammed, so they will see missile too late.

[@alanblumenstock7863]

The carrier group would have ASW to hunt it down after first launch 2nd and 3rd salvo's may have been interupted

[@Bassman1985]

Check out Jive Turkey and his channel Sub Brief if you wanna learn about submarines. He was a sonarman in the US Navy for many years and now does great vids on KZbin. Also check out the game Cold Waters if you want a taste of submarine combat.

[@janicmeier1]

Normaly the sub has to raise a comm mast to send the targeting data and maybe it will be located or they use fishing boats whit spy equipment

[@seth4569]

sonar has a list of sounds of each sub this is by prop

[@lhernandez6410]

where can i download that mission?!!!

[@AL66WV]

Why didn't you put a close air patrol to defend the carrier group ?

[@RSProduxx]

why would he defend the carrier group? It was his target ...

[@choihoi-u2k]

Shouldnt the carrier have it's awacs up?

[@DeusEx1977]

Does anyone actually click on those stupid sex bot links? I can't help but feel that those bots are inadvertently just feeding each engagement.

[@shippy34]

thus report them, the more reports the better,

[@mfreed40k]

Report them all.

[@DeusEx1977]

Oh, I did!

[@nicholasbarcomb2324]

Different designs in screws and propulsion technologies.

[@RSProduxx]

So "decks awash" isn´t an option? Only fully surfaced or submerged? That´s pretty sad.

[@doltBmB]

Rockets work in any environment.

[@armoredpriapism]

Did the group have an awacs up?

[@christopherchartier3017]

No but it’s just a test video anyways, not a realistic scenario

[@bravobravo7901]

@@christopherchartier3017 AMERIKIKIESE LIAR!

[@grimreapers]

CSG had 2 AWACS up as per briefing.

[@wheelmonkey00]

the deepest sea is a trench @35900 ft

[@philo8035]

They were amazing hypothetical missiles.

[@bestofjetz]

why are you not clicking the weapons in the bar on the bottom of the screan it would be much more easy?

[@Ayns.L14A]

Hey Cap, nice to see you having a play with subs, one thing you missed every carrier group also has ASW ships and sub with it, simply for defence against other subs our sub would have detected the Russian subs as they left their home port tracked them and as soon as they were in range our sub would have destroyed them.

[@DavidJulin-i4x]

Only the Oscar was made to be ablel to take on a CVH grop. The older ones, was mad to attack allied covoys wirh a singel or smal escort ships

[@HomeElephant]

Submarines operate under the water. This is the extent of my knowledge.

[@tommiatkins3443]

Russia is fighting it's naval war today with these weapons. It has been chased out of the black sea by a nation with no navy. It's lost a dozen warships for no gain. It can't replace them either.

[@jugganaut33]

Got to hand it to the Russians they made the coolest weapon mechanisms on the planet

[@kingfish4575]

Want to learn watch jive turkey.

[@mfreed40k]

Those missiles and subs are so far out of date they aren't a threat to anyone but the sailors.

[@killman369547]

Which is why the Russians built the Yasen class.