How Dark Were the Dark Ages? | 5 Minute Video

[@j.m.turner1756]

Why were the Dark Ages so dark? They had so many knights.

[@ssik9460]

*politely shows middle finger while laughing*

[@amfcapone]

Awesome!

[@TheTechCguy]

Knights who fought to have it end and who they served to survive it.

[@Murrayrigney]

The dark ages and the medieval ages are two different things nearly three hundred years apart

[@nobnobnobnob]

and few sons

[@charlieclark9552]

Well your probably gonna think I'm stupid but when I was a kid, I thought the dark ages were dark because they lost all the candles

[@Mauser_.]

Haha! That's actually funny. I thought many similar things when I was young ^_^

[@thedarkninja2000]

Yeah, and I thought that the Last Supper was when the food stamps ran out. 😂😂

[@joanae8189]

😃

[@SkyyPiano]

He gets some facts wrong in this video though. The first university is from Africa and the Middle East, not Europe.

[@dzittin]

According to Calvin and Hobbs that era was in black and white because color had not yet been invented.

[@markrcca5329]

The "Dark Ages" are usually understood as the first few hundred years following after the collapse of the Roman Empire, not the High Middle Ages described in the video.

[@edrichardson1001]

+Mark Rcca You got it. This is a cherry picked selection of factoids meant to create an illusion for idiots. While true the dark ages are over simplified & subject to generalities the over all consensus still holds true far more then the exceptions which if anything highlight the loss after Rome fell apart.

[@roland20002000]

Ed Richardson no it is not. the western world progressed by examining and understanding histories mistakes and trying to correct these errors. So our understanding of history tends to concentrate on all that was bad and rarely all that was good. This has given us a fake sense that western history was just death war and plundering. The knock on effect is the western world is now over critical of it's self and is on the verge now of destroying it's self. As different cultures are joining western culture it gives them a fake narrative that their shit cultures that are generally still in the dark ages must be superior to ours or that it is our fault there shit cultures are still in the dark ages. Take the middle east. The narrative is they are poor because the west took their oil. The reality is their oil would be worthless with out western industry.

[@markrcca5329]

roland20002000 I don't think anyone in this discussion was trying to diminish Western history (I certainly wasn't). I was merely pointing out that what is typically called the Dark Ages are a few centuries that immediately followed the collapse of the Roman Empire - and those were indeed tough times in Europe, for the most part. What is discussed in the video are the High Middle Ages - where things indeed were picking up culturally, technologically, scientifically. The term "Dark Ages" simply is misleading for that time period. As for what you said, I agree - indeed, we (Westerners) should be proud for the progress and culture we have generated, are certainly not responsible for other cultures falling behind.

[@roland20002000]

Mark Rcca This is the point, the middle ages are viewed by the average person as the dark ages and it is the average person I think the video is reaching out to.

[@markrcca5329]

roland20002000 I can't argue whether I agree or not, as I don't really know how it's viewed by the "average person" - but if what you say is true, then instead of reinforcing the incorrect usage of the terminology, the video should have provided the explanation for both terms. The Dark (Early) and High Middle Ages were very different historical periods, this is a good explanation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Middle_Ages So instead of reinforcing incorrect information, let's get educated...

[@hoangkimviet8545]

The words I learnt from this video: - Nouns: Cardinal, glazer, pulley, winch, lacework, carol, friar, guildsmen, orphanage - Verbs: Revive, burst, repent, dispell, scaffold, venture

[@matthewledford7209]

that’s good

[@redbenada798]

Wow

[@briankane6547]

Scaffold - Verb - EH?!?

[@redbenada798]

@@briankane6547 it can be a verb

[@henryv4222]

Cardinal is also an adjective! All the best Hoàng - not only is English the world trade language, but they gave us the Westminster System, and football & cricket :-)

[@MrWackypackages]

Some things I learned in world history 2 about the middle ages last year: -The Catholic Church oppressed everyone -Catholic priests and popes HATED science -Everyone was absolutely miserable -the Catholic Church was EVIL!11!1!!! -everything was backwards and all was just dead Thanks for teaching me. I've always been interested in the middle ages.

[@SomeSomeCruzz00]

the educational system isnt trying to teach you anything its trying to make you memorize things even if theyre wrong especcially history

[@MrJm323]

anime sucks dick Sorry, anime, but the collapse of the economy (subsistence- level bartering replacing monetary economy), collapse of the infrastructure (aqueducts, deterioration of the Roman road system, even the skill of masonry), deterioration of learning and literacy (near disappearance of Greek literacy in western Europe, the serious degeneracy in Latin literacy ...the fact that Charlemagne couldn't make his 'Holy Roman Empire' work because of a lack of literate people to fill his imperial bureaucracy...), the constant barbarian invasions which local magnates could barely stave off... ....The Dark Ages is not an opinion, but an historical fact. They ended with a resurgence in the economy in the 11th century and a cultural resurgence in the 12th century. (Many people here seem to not know about that OTHER renaissance --the Renaissance of the Twelfth Century.)

[@MorganMarvinson]

"the Catholic Church was EVIL!" Glad to know that they are teaching that the church has reformed.

[@ravenblood1954]

Well for one the church did oppress knowledge and encouraged discrimination. It burned people at the stake for disagreeing with church doctrine, take for example the idea that the world revolved around the sun. Most people in the medievel ages were illiterate, and uneducated and anyone who taught anything that was contrary to church beliefs were persecuted and tortured until they "confess their sins". Have you ever heard of the Spanish inquisition? People did live harsh lives, living under heavy taxation with very little income. Not to mention that in that era, anyone who wasn't white was considered an unwashed savage and inherently inferior. The church wasn't against science, it was against anything that gave an explanation that was independent of church doctrine.

[@ravenblood1954]

Abba Okoro What does that have to do with the point I am making?

[@Wa3sup]

The dark ages and the middle ages are are completely different things! The dark ages was the time immediately following the fall of Rome. The middle ages, of which he is describing , was much later!

[@brucejones1123]

Sean is right: Esolen is confusing the Dark Ages (Established as: 500 years after the Romans) with the Middle Ages. There is very little archeology or writing from the Dark Ages.

[@romulus3345]

The Medieval period also known as the middle ages lasted from the 5th to the 15th century. The dark ages were during the early medieval period from the 5th to 10th century.

[@KiekJesus7]

Dark Ages is WITHIN Middle Ages. Dark Ages is the very beginning of the Middle Ages after the fall of the Roman Empire. They are not apart.

[@englishcoach7772]

Yeah but the whole video just generalizes anyway. 2 important facts peasants had absolutely 0 chance of ascending the pecking order. Only nobles went to school and those masterpeices he talks of sometimes took 200 years to finish. They had no deadlines, and developed at snail pace. I find this video to be inaccurate in describing the dark ages as an epoch and masterful at avoiding realities that deem all of his asdumptions as exceptions.

[@girlgarde]

What about in the Byzantine Empire? People keep forgetting that the Eastern Roman Empire existed in some shape or form all throughout the timespan between the end of the Western Roman Empire and the Renaissance.

[@thletrelas3817]

No reference to Byzantium though :(

[@os1941]

You mean the Roman Empire?

[@judemartin6329]

yeah what happened to those guys? Was it similar to feudal Europe during the dark ages?

[@luciusfong6321]

@@judemartin6329 as i can remember, they kept the greek knowledge until i forgot sack of Constantinople or black death, they fled to italy and begin the renaissance and enlightenment era with those studies

[@thletrelas3817]

@Mentally endangered omg i didn't know that,really thanks for that info

[@thletrelas3817]

@Mentally endangered I'm kidding.Of course i know it was called roman empire but i called it Byzantine in purpose

[@jisblap]

Funny, I was taught that the Dark Ages were from the fall of Rome, around 476 ad to Charlemagne being crowned king in 800 ad. The Middle Ages were from 800ad to about 1500ad when the Renaissance begins.

[@kenvee2166]

It is in the popular misconception of everything that occurred between the Fall of Rome and the renaissance that the "Dark" broadbrushing has occurred. Real history shows a different tale, and Esolen is merely pushing back on the narrative.

[@madhavgullapalli505]

you are right all along.

[@Edgymemer]

MGTOW_Monk you’re right

[@galvinmorgan2263]

this video is a bad take because the time period was incredibly misunderstood

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@galvinmorgan2263 I don't think the period is misunderstood, nor the video bad. There has been a general tendency, particularly since the Marxist school came to be, that the Middle Ages were a sort of Dark Age, with little to no scientific progress, where the Church would cripple science and human curiosity and what not. While indeed there were episodes when people and the Church would suppress scientific research, that was more like an exception, rather than the norm. There was a sort of Dark Age, but you have to take it individually for each country. For some countries, the Dark Age lasted longer. For other countries, it was much shorter. I understand the Dark Age as a period with little historical records, where knowledge about a land or people is shrouded in myth and legend (sort of like Arthurian England), where little construction projects were made, where society became less urbanized, where the elite shrunk or disappeared completely (like after the Bronze Age collapse) with all the consequences of this change. The Middle Ages were not ENTIRELY a Dark Age. And manifested differently depending on the geographical region analyzed. The Byzantine Empire for example was thriving still after the fall of Rome. The fall of Rome did not constitute an immediate Dark Age for former Western Roman territories. Odoacer ruled his kingdom based on Roman law and customs, modifying little in regards to the way the Roman institutions used to function. Same can be said about the rule of Theodoric the Great. The Merovingian and Visigothic Kingdom were not part of a Dark Age either. They were more like preserver kingdoms, retaining much of the knowledge of the former Roman Empire, but lacking access to Greek writings and knowledge. The Middle Ages are vilified today mainly because this was the period when the Church and Christian religion was at its peak political power. This was the time when the Pope could literally play an important role in the Christian world. He could name and depose kings sometimes. He could intervene decisively in dynastic disputes. He had an important say in the fate of a people or a state. So it was only normal for the Marxists, who viewed religion and Christianity in particular to paint this period as a Dark Age.

[@jokebapack2]

I like dark ages because it inspire lot of games I like

[@t___m]

Kingdom Come Deliverance Mount & Blade Stronghold Etc.

[@bigmamababy4283]

These are NOT THE DARK AGES!! These are the middle ages...He's wrong on this...dark ages are from the fall of the Roman Empire up to the 12 th century!! Of course the middle ages were great! HE'S MIXING THEM BOTH TOGETHER!

[@t___m]

@@bigmamababy4283 Uhh... No. The times, you're talking about are early middle ages.

[@bigmamababy4283]

errrr... I disagree completely! We were taught in school back in Britain that the Dark ages were the times AFTER THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE up to the 12th century or thereabouts!! Since then the left have changed everything in the history books! @@t___m

[@t___m]

@@bigmamababy4283 Bruh, your history teacher is stupid. The Middle Ages are devided on Early (476 - ~1000), High (Dark) (~1000 - 1348) and Late (1348 - 1492)

[@brettleisy356]

I notice they completely ignore the time period that the "dark ages" even reference. they discuss from 1000-1400. they dont discuss the 400s-600s which were considered the darkest, and people didnt really crawl out of until almost 1000. centuries of one war or another ravaging each other for land and resources. huns pressing through the euro/asian territories, murdering, capturing, and pillaging in a large swath across what is not russia. germanic tribes were still considered "barbaric" even in those times. almost every culture had different mythos and deities. why ignore centuries of history in this?

[@rogerwhite95]

You are talking about about only the first 200 year period out of a thousand. We have had one war or another ravaging the earth for the past 200 years, plus plagues, tyrannies, mass genocide, etc.

[@karlazeen]

So I guess all those tortures and wars were fine then

[@brettleisy356]

@@karlazeen that's rather disingenuous to say that. Im pretty sure that wasnt the point.

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

Speaking as an atheist, I was with this video right up until "the Brilliant Ages". Thaaaaat's a hard sell. I've come to appreciate that while the people of the Middle Ages may not have spent a whole lot of time writing, they did do a whole lot of building and inventing. My education on this subject has been fascinating. My interest in technological history was plenty sated by this period. But "Brilliant"? I'd say the Space Age easily tops them for invention and creativity.

[@abellius66]

You mean the Space Age that doesn't really send spaceships to outer space anymore?

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

abellius66 Actually we do still build spaceships and send them to outer space. We just don't send manned missions to other planets anymore.

[@abellius66]

John Pryce I don't recall any country on Earth sending manned missions to other planets ever. Which planets have we sent manned missions to? Anyway, besides an occasional space craft sent the the international space station, what other spaceships are going into space at present that are reliable? I know the Chinese are working on their space program and their are a couple of private corporations putting their $$ into it, but the current results have been lackluster.

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

abellius66 Actually I was referring to the Moon. Sorry, it was early here when I typed that.

[@abellius66]

John Pryce Np. I had a feeling that is what you meant.

[@markthomas9769]

I was taught that the "Dark Ages" were between the fall of the Western Empire through 800. From Charlemagne to the Renaissance were the "Middle Ages".

[@imperators_8700]

Dark ages did last that long but the title calls it the dark ages while the video calls it the Middle Ages which lasted until the fall of Constantinople in 1453

[@Autobotmatt428]

@@imperators_8700 Though some people use the term to refer to the middle ages as a whole. I have also read that even the term "Dark Ages" is no longer used do to its negative tone. So they just say Early Middle ages

[@yuridecastro9496]

Christian Conservative propaganda, you are describing high medieval age when is the low medieval age we call dark.

[@paramutt967]

+Yuri de Castro i wish i knew what you were talking about.

[@yuridecastro9496]

paramutt Medieval era is divided in low and high medieval era. The first is the dark ages, right after Romam Empire colapse, with the church taking control of everything. The high medieval era is more progressive as the church looses power.

[@SomeSomeCruzz00]

+Yuri de Castro citation needed

[@paramutt967]

Yuri de Castro sorry i was alittle trashed last night.i get it now.

[@yuridecastro9496]

Wayne Ekeh check out Wikipedia, there you'll have all the citation you need and their linked source.

[@100percentSNAFU]

Historians will look back at modern times and call this the second dark ages.

[@adamnesico]

Why? This is the most prosperous era has seen mankind I wonder if in a millenia people will have a renaissance trying to reacquire hat we have achieved now.

[@superbob3331]

Even thought the past 100-150 years have been the best time to be alive in the history of the world.

[@jsabri6324]

@@superbob3331 Unless you were one of the 150+ million murdered and/or displaced by totalitarian despots.

[@superbob3331]

@@jsabri6324 And can you name a time in history when such things were not happening.

[@jsabri6324]

@@superbob3331 Not in such large numbers at the hands of other humans. Look at the numbers attributed to Stalin and Mao, not to mention the genocide of the Armenians, the Cambodians, and the Tutsis in Rwanda (1 million in 90 days), just to name a few between 1900-2000. No age has ever been free of murder and natural catastrophe, but the sheer number of people murdered in the 20th century was unprecedented.

[@shanewhitefeather6298]

I'll tell you why there was global warming in the year 1,000. It was those damn SUVs!!!

[@UsedBrain4U]

The IPCC likes to pretend now that the Midevile warm period never happened. After many years of showing the warm period in their charts they had to erase it from their recent Propaganda.

[@scnut76]

"How dare you!"

[@ismovirtanen7225]

@@scnut76 a good one.

[@morethan3756]

One horsepower methane fart producing monstrosities.

[@Admiral45-10]

No, no - peasants were just burining to many witches!

[@k8ydidit]

Thanks for “illuminating” the Dark Ages in this excellent video. Thanks PragerU

[@Paffoni9653]

Kathy Nichols Our ancestrals would be ashamed of us!

[@judemartin6329]

Actually I learned more from the comments section than the actual video

[@StatusQ_]

He’s giving the dark ages credit for the enlightenment and the Renaissance The dark ages we think of are feudal Europe which ended around the 1400s so he is wrong

[@luisfelipecortezayala5229]

Lefty Cheddar102 but man all of those guys he mentioned lives in Middle Ages(except copernicus)

[@kirbyinthereallife4980]

@@Paffoni9653 Our? Not all of us are europeans

[@oliviad7654]

Love the video but you forgot to mention that when the barbarians finally conquered Rome and destroyed the empire almost all knowledge and civilization was lost. the only reason that any knowledge was preserved is thanks to those "oppressive" "controlling" "dogma ridden" monasteries. Without the Irish and other European monks who dedicated their lives to copying books and inventing things like lowercase letters, spaces, and punctuation we would have none of the ancient literature that remains to this day. Rather than suppressing the growth of knowledge the "dogmatic" Church is the only reason we are not still living in barbarism. No church= no preservation of knowledge after the fall of Rome.

[@oliviad7654]

+Olivia Dubay Oh and as for Galileo, the Church didn't disagree with his the theory, it had already been posed before. He was disciplined for posting his theories as fact with no proofs and his disobedience to the church in that regarding his posting them as FACT.

[@MordredMS]

+Olivia Dubay YES. EXACTLY. THANK YOU.

[@worldofwarcraftman2]

+Olivia Dubay Hold on you do know that at the time of Rome's fall even with the Visigoths books were currency the Visigoths came in and stole a shit ton of books. Also the Roman empire was still standing in the East the Byzantines. as much as was destroyed in the west everything was still standing in the east.

[@ThomAalmoes]

+Olivia Dubay You forgot to mention that the Eastern Roman Empire and Middle Eastern Scholars preserved a lot of work. Most important medieval European Philosophers like Aquinas were heavily influenced by Muslim scholars like Averroes. Their work preserved the works of ancient philosophers, some of Aristotle's works were only known because of translations from Arabic into Latin.

[@worldofwarcraftman2]

Thom Aalmoes That was originally translated from Latin into Arabic when it survived the Quran is all the knowledge needed book burning lunatics. Also the stuff wouldn't have needed to be protected if the barbarians didn't listen to their warlord and conquered what was left of the Roman empire (which was carnage Khorne would be proud of. Also a shit ton of brutality.)

[@andres6868]

The Middle Ages lasted a thousand years, so when we talk about the middle ages we have to keep in mind that this long period was not uniform. The 1400s were very different from the 500s. After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, Western Europe suffered a huge fall in material, cultural life. Urban life disappeared and travel outside your own parish was minimal (in comparison, it was not unusual in Roman times for a Roman official to live one year in England and the next year in Egypt). After a rebound in the 800s, with the Carolingian renaissance, the 900s were quite dismal, probably the nadir of Western civilization. From the 1000, there was a new rebound, this time on firmer ground, that not even the plague of the mid 1300s could stop.

[@jakkew5753]

We don't have much written history from the first 300-500 years, so that's why that period is called the Dark Ages.

[@jameslegrand848]

i agree , well that and the horrible horrible plagues.

[@mikek17]

Scholarly source needed

[@javialcaidesa]

Imagine how advanced today's tecnology and medicine would be if the Catholic Church hadn't ruined our society.

[@jameslegrand848]

javialcaidesa lol it could have been the future age stuff but hey RELIGION

[@Govannonfrei]

javialcaidesa the Catholic Church created our society, you wouldn't have had the universities if they never funded them or the music or the art or the science.

[@drstrangelove9851]

I heard they were called the Dark Ages because not much is known about that period of time

[@aaronshan51]

No it was because there was almost no way of communication besides person to person, so knowledge spread slowly.

[@Metztii]

Im pretty sure you're thinking about the Ancient Greece dark ages.

[@rileybilbrey2801]

@stanley hoffman smart man

[@warrenwright7307]

True on so many levels

[@keltdavies8792]

@@aaronshan51 The European 'Dark Ages' was the time period after the fall of the Roman Empire until the creation of a semi-unified christian state in the area, as that was when reliable records started to be kept and have come down to us in the present. Therefore, in France, the Dark Ages ended around 800AD with Charlemagne, but in Britain, they didn't really end until the mid 10th century.

[@arooobine]

I always heard they were called 'dark' because we don't know as much about them as other time periods.

[@ganthore]

The black death, and the collapse of Rome is why many refer to it as the dark ages.

[@danielu.4957]

cristopher wong oh no.. how dare the pope to stop islam? durr we missed the oportunity of turning Europe into Syria, Egypt or Turkey

[@giuseppemilazzo2649]

hhhahahahahhaha those were the time of Popes and Christians with huge balls, unlike now

[@Lucas98M]

Giuseppe Milazzo and thw world is surely better. Except not.

[@Lucas98M]

Daniel Ustarez and its happening again, but this time, without control of the church or ANYONE that would stand against it, the battle may be lost. Islam's battle against europe never endend, pals.

[@MrTableturns]

Completely agreed until the end. By no means do we fall short of our ancestors. Look at the brilliant science and technology we have today. The means to communicate around the world instantly. The ability to voice your opinion without fear. The world today is truly amazing.

[@MrTableturns]

rc2000 Art's a very subjective topic, although I strongly believe that music has improved greatly since the middle ages.

[@Masiyooo]

rc2000 what about art? Since the middle ages we have gotten films, photography, animation, video games, interactive art and other pieces revolving around electronics and god knows what else. Even though realistic portrayal of human figure and its surroundings in paintings have been made almost "pointless" thanks to the invention of camera, great artists still exist and continue to practice classical painting to this day. And not only that, but we have expanded painting into a form of visual art that you can't capture with a camera. The art world today is more diverse, more active and arguably more creative than ever before. So please, tell me, what about art?

[@MirroringTruth]

We all have our opinions, and I get yours. But this may be thought about as well: "Look at the brilliant science and technology we have today." Which started in this era really. Theres many things where I don't believe science has helped up like the knowledge of how to do abortions, the ability to destroy the world many times over. Life expectancy from 1200-1300: to age 64 isn't far off from today, except now people are addicted to pharmaceuticals and pray for death from a nursing home. "The means to communicate around the world instantly. The ability to voice your opinion without fear." And look at the anonymity of the internet and how disgusting it's made people. This ability to talk to anyone any way you'd like continues to bring our generation down to a guttural level. This isn't freedom, it's a decline in our communities. "The world today is truly amazing." I believe this too, don't get me wrong. But I can see a decline in our civilization in the mere 45 years I've been on this Earth. I'm not sure everything were doing today is for the betterment of our species.

[@Masiyooo]

rc2000 well, yes, that's partly my point. Thanks to technological advancements art has also advanced. And I don't think standards have gone down. We look at old art and artists through rose tinted glasses since we only know and remember the very best of the best.

[@jbrown2842]

rc2000 our art is amazing from a historical seance. every child studies art at school. there are more artistic mediums than ever before getting to more people than ever before and more artists than ever before. the problem is everyone always looks at the best art of a given era. justs just the stuff that we pay attention too. in a thousand years people will be judging our art by our best works because those works are worth study

[@Nicholas-kn9eb]

Never thought I would like a PragerU video, but good job summing up the inaccuracy of "dark age" thinking and completely dismissing the history of Europe from 450-1450! I am surprised you didn't mention the monastery's that kept a great deal of this information in tact and free from destruction during the upheaval of the post Roman pre-Frankish period though.

[@SeraphsWitness]

Absolutely, and the modern university as we know it was born out of the monasterial structure.

[@davidschultz6555]

I found several inaccuracies in this video and some convenient omissions: 1. Universities - We had for hundreds of years in Athens "The Academy" where both Plato and Aristotle taught, which was tragically shut down by the christian Roman emperor Justinian who saw the academy as a threat to christianity , in other words we had institutions of higher education - same thing, different name. 2. Science - the church held that the earth is less than 6,000 years old and was at the center of the universe which was disproved by Copernicus and later more forcefully by Galileo, no one from the church at that time accepted the views of Copernicus, and even before Copernicus the Greeks already postulated a heliocentric model, namely Aristarchus of Samos. A. The church burnt alive anyone who dared to come out against church dogma i.e Giordano Bruno who was burnt alive for daring to suggest that the universe was eternal. B. Galileo who was sentenced for life in house arrest and was only spared torture due to having friends in the church. Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, the foremost Vatican theologian in the early seventeenth century. "to affirm that the Sun is really fixed in the center of the heavens and that the Earth revolves very swiftly around the Sun is a dangerous thing, not only irritating the theologians and philosophers, but injuring our holy faith and making the sacred scripture false." There are many more things that I can add here, but I want to have this comment as readable as possible.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

1. The Academy of Athens was not the type of university that we know it today. The Academy was for the most a discussion forum. The Academy that Justinian shut down was not the one Plato founded. The academy was destroyed by the Roman dictator Sulla in 86 BC. The one that Justinian closed down was the Academy founded by Proclus in the 430s. 2. Yet it is still within the confines of the church that the scholars, who cam to contest the ideas of the church conducted their studies, research and published their papers. Sure, the church believed in a lot of nonsense. But most people believed in this nonsense back then. The reason why these ideas changed is because the Church had the insight to preserve a lot of ancient papers and writings which eventually came into the hands of those Renaissance scholars, which are responsible for shaping up the scientific method. The church did not burn everyone who dared to challenge its views. If anything, Copernicus, Bruno and Galileo are the exception rather than the norm. You kind of choose to see only the ugly side of the Middle Ages and the Church. With all its faults, this period and the Church itself ultimately were vital for the advancement of the Western civilization in terms of science, technological and in cultural achievements. Without the Church preserving and sharing knowledge, as well as being the founder of modern education system (the states essentially inherited the school system that churches founded and promoted), we wouldn't be here today.

[@athurmathews8767]

​@@Kalimdor199Menegroth excellent response and you're exactly correct. The original comment here only focused on the darker side of that time which tells me something there. I noticed some inaccuracies in their comment as in one you just said, the academies in Greece were little like our universities of today, that came from the middle ages.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@athurmathews8767 It doesn't focuses on the darker side, but on a side that has been ideologically distorted by Marxists. The educational institutions of Antiquity in general do not resemble the medieval ones, much less the modern ones. The idea of a university as a place where scholars and pupils gather to pass and receive knowledge in an organized manner is something that the church came up with. Modern education essentially adopted the school system of the churches, but adapted it for the needs of the states in the 19th century. And what were the needs of most developed Western states in the 19th century? To produce factory workers and soldiers.

[@MaidenTrollBlood]

I love the Middle Ages so much! That time does not get enough credit! It was wonderful! Brilliant Ages indeed! :-) God bless the ancestors!

[@hebanker3372]

Well,wonderful is a bit extreme definition.

[@paulfu6475]

I wouldn't say it's "wonderful" but it is definitely not Dark as Hollywood and Liberal/Atheist would love to portray them.

[@oaphle6612]

The Doll Scholar the ones who started crusades and pillaged? The ones who put mercury in medicine? Or the ones this video talks about the were apart of the renaissance, not the dark ages... just sloppy work on their part.. brilliant!

[@paulfu6475]

oaphle Oh pls, ploughing was invented in the supposed Dark Ages, and the Carolingian renaissance also happened in the Middle Ages. The Hospital, Pharmacies and the Universities of Europe were founded by the Church during the Middle Ages. So was the concept of Quarantine. Pillaging?? Are you saying there is no pillaging during the French Revolution?? Or Napoleonic Wars?? Are you saying Muslims do not pillage?? Or Rome for that matter?? The fact that we're suppose to debate this is shows exactly how illiterate and bigoted the Left is. And the argument never goes far from the Crusades. I don't know how many times we have to explain this until you idiots on the Left understand.

[@Ari-vr4kp]

oaphle you do realize that the crusades were in response to the Muslims coming into Europe and invading and taking over? (Which btw hasn’t stopped.)

[@jimUkay]

*When people don't learn from history, History will repeat itself without them knowing.*

[@wazzup233]

yeah and we didn't notice that the United States is now falling apart just like Rome before. 🤣

[@RoseNoho]

Prof. Esolen forgot to mention that from the 11th to 13th centuries Europe absorbed much knowledge from Islamic civilization.

[@knutknutsen5990]

Absolutely rubbish. As again I see you spread your undocumented lies, and you will of course just run away. As usual. Always fun to see how you godhating atheists bash Christianity and at the very same time, have so much love for the religion of your lord Satan, Islam. You can't wait for Islam to take over Europe, right atheist? With all the science and knowledge from Islam you talk about. Care to tell how much that was stolen from the Christian Byzantine Empire, and the Christian Egyptian Empire of the Copts? Why do you fanatic and hate-filled atheists push for Muslim immigration totally out of control to Europe? The core group of these sick and evil people are hard-left atheists. Care to explain it?

[@RoseNoho]

Knut Knutsen Switch to decaf.

[@robaby1984]

Knut Knutsen typical close minded fool, Islam represents evil to you so these savages can't have brought anything good, right? Let's dehumanize them enough so it's easy to kill them later. Overwhelming majority of historians disagree with this "history" professor's assessment but unlike you I am not close minded ignoramus who is unwilling to reexamine my point of view.

[@MsJimFit]

Rose NoHo And you forgot to mention that they absorved this knowledge from the Christian Byzantine Empire...Ooops..

[@MrJm323]

Mr JimFit Where did the Christian Byzantines (Greek-speaking, Christian Roman Empire) get this knowledge from? ...The Greeks of the pagan era. ...It's too bad the Christianized Greeks really didn't appreciate what they had. Otherwise so many of the better ones wouldn't have had to flee to Sassanian Persia (the Nestorians and other heretics), taking this knowledge with them, which is where the Muslims found them after they overran Persia. It was then that they encouraged the translations of these works from Greek and Syriac into Arabic. For a few centuries at least, the Arabs were more open to these philosophical and scientific writings than the Christians of either the Greek-speaking or Latin-speaking world. (This would change around the 12th century, when the Latin-speaking Christians became interested in this stuff.)

[@stephenwatchesyoutube]

“We have nothing to match their complexity” Domes. We have domes. They didn’t know how to make those. We had to rediscover it

[@samiamrg7]

lol

[@justiniand6a788]

Hagia Sophia and Santa Maria di Fiore: Am I a joke to you?

[@samiamrg7]

@@justiniand6a788 The Hagia Sophia was built kinda before the dark ages, and the completion of the Santa Maria di Fiore was one of the first defining events of the Renaissance. Outside the Byzantine empire and Muslim lands, I'm pretty sure not one dome was built in the dark ages between those points in time. (The fact that there are those caveats kind of points out how un-useful "dark ages" is as a term, though).

[@codboss7092]

@@justiniand6a788 hagia sophia was built before the dark ages, Santa Maria di Fiore was built after the dark ages.

[@sarmatapl4488]

In this form Hagia Sophia was build inbetween 532-537 (Middle Ages). Santa Maria di Fiore was build in 1436 r. (also Middle Ages).

[@turealidad9624]

This is my all time favorite PragerU video. I see it like an act of reparation and justice for the brilliance of the middle ages that has been unjustly dishonored. Thank you!

[@madmanmapper]

I think the title should have been "The Renaissance Started a Bit Earlier Than Most People Say."

[@hsdjsdshdhsdnsmsd6247]

Nonsense. Its about the merits of the time period before the renaissance and there were plenty of them. All of the things in his video apply not only to the late middle ages but also to the early and high middle ages.

[@JohnSmith-oe5kx]

hsdjsd shdhsdnsmsd If that is true, why does virtually nothing he mentioned predate 1200?

[@arberor4597]

@John Smith 1200s? •Universities in Europe were in University of Bologna (1088) University of Paris (1150) University of Modena (1175) University of oxford (1167) University of Salamanca (1134) •in Italy in the year 1104 The Venice Arsenal is founded. •the first record of a vertical windmill is found in north west Europe around the 1100s •there was the Carolingian Renaissance (8th and 9th centuries), •the Ottonian Renaissance (10th century) •the Renaissance of the 12th century which gave birth to gothic architecture. There was the birth of the Cyrillic alphabet in Bulgaria in the 8th century, the Carolingian minuscule which gave us the lower case letters and punctuation. The Dark ages in Europe is specific to only Western Europe. And it’s dated from 500AD-900AD.

[@fredvima9916]

There was no renaissance. The renaissance was considered a happy time because the Black Death had just ended.

[@nightprowler6336]

The Renaissance had more religious conservatism like killing "witches" which was a trial that killed 35 people in 16th century Renaissance period.

[@AleQuag]

0:50 flat earthers have left the chat

[@frcjt]

You should probably qualify your title by specifying that you are characterizing the dark ages of the western Roman Empire and not the Mediterranean (so-called Byzantine) east! Universities, music notation (which the ancient Greeks had) of the Greek chants was the precedent to the western notations; and much high culture flourished in the east after Rome was sacked; and it was the fall of Constantinople which brought the rebirth and new interest in Greek classical thought to the west which resulted in the renaissance! Simplification is good, but not at the expense of deleting historical continuity!

[@fearlessmash8717]

The dark ages is called the dark ages due to the drop in quality of life,life span,literacy rateand the chaos that follow from 465 to 1066

[@andrejhaluska4061]

Youre right. Universities, medicine, knights, great castles... all after year 1000. He oversipmlfied this video. I think dark age ended around 800AC in west europe, in mid europe arround 1000AC.

[@tranminhquan4531]

Actually, the Dark Age life expectancy rose from 28 ( in Roman Empire times ) to 30 or more which is an improvement at that time. You should watch Dark Ages of Crash Course History, they were very specific of how Dark Age was not so dark.

[@dylanfox2928]

@@tranminhquan4531 That’s mostly because of lower maternal childbirth deaths

[@gryffinkat]

Thank you! I study Old English language and literature, and I am continually shocked by some of the most intelligent, most well-educated people I know still believing garbage about the Middle Ages. It's always refreshing to hear people discuss this period in a lucid manner.

[@jrjubach]

“Middle Ages” and “Dark Ages” are not synonymous. The “Dark Ages” refer to the early Middle Ages specifically. The Dark Ages lasted from right after the fall of the Roman Empire to about 1000AD. Then we begin the Middle Ages.

[@abdiabdi3225]

do you expect someone who teaches at a catholic university to want to tell people that the catholic church stifled everything for about 6-700 years?

[@jrjubach]

@@abdiabdi3225 Hah, very good point.

[@theæthœr]

Considering the lack of electrical light, it was pretty dark.

[@ruturajshiralkar5566]

- No adequate & reliable Written Records available. - Systematic Clampdown on Art, Knowledge, Science & Logic; Over Emphasis on Religion, Hierarchy, Social Strata, Culture. Opposition, Debate were banned. - Centuries of Progress was reversed. - Constant invasions of Barbarians & Plunderers. - Complete absence of Sharing of Ideas. - Significant drop in Life Expectancy, rise in Tribalism

[@ruturajshiralkar5566]

@Richard Fox What makes you say that?

[@ruturajshiralkar5566]

@Richard Fox But I didn't say anything about Cancel Culture.

[@Brian31881]

The "Dark Ages" usually refers to the period from the later 5th Century through the 9th or 10th century because governments broke down, literacy declined, and we have fewer records of the period. As order was restored and modern nations coalesced modern life began. Charlemagne provided a major impetus for the revival of literacy and learning. The Church also played a major role in reviving and transforming society. Ultimately, Europe outgrew the medieval mindset and a revitalized civilization emerged. We are their heirs.

[@DrDanik]

Why do people instantly assume that only atheists make these claims. I thought this video was quite interesting and enlightening and I am an atheist. The irony is that I was taught that Catholics believed the Earth was flat *in a Christian school.*

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Badass Elite Both atheists and schoolbook authors perpetuate those false claims. The schoolbook authors simply don't give a crap. Many Atheists on the other hand perpetuate those claims, because it fits in their worldview. Yet they blame religion for blindly believing what they are told.

[@robertfreid2879]

Schwarzer Ritter Exactly!

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

Badass Elite Probably a Protestant school, right? A lot of those sorts of arguments were originally anti-Catholic arguments. The irony is, deists and later atheists took these arguments and later used them against Christianity as a whole. And all the more ironically, with more right than the Protestants, who really are the rebellious sons of the Catholic Church. Whereas atheists and deists have rejected the whole thing wholesale.

[@DrDanik]

ChesterKhan You are correct, it was a typical Baptist school.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

Jonathan Sarfati Thank you for _not_ helping to propagate harmful myths around. :) They tend to come back and bite those who use them in the ass. Do Catholics throw around anything y'all see as myths?

[@harrykerr7461]

Didn't mention anything about the dark ages (about 476-1000 AD)

[@HappySqrl]

Maybe my understanding of the dark ages was wrong, but I was under the impression that the dark ages was so named because of how much knowledge was lost relative to the end of the Roman Empire. I don't dispute that there was advancement over the period, but was there as much advancement during the middle ages as there was in th 1000 years before the middle ages? Was there as much advancement as there has been since the middle ages? I could be wrong, but I suspect that if we didn't lose so much information, and we continued to advance at the rate prior to the middle ages, we would have hit the industrial revolution hundreds of years earlier.

[@HappySqrl]

Jonathan Sarfati I don't think you understand my question (or the point behind it). From 500bce to 500ad we saw the rise and fall of the ancient Greek and roman empires; and this provided the foundations for all modern knowledge. In the past 500 years most knowledge needed to create the modern world was created. Does the advancement of the middle ages represent similar gains? In the field of study a I know best (mathematics) the middle ages produced far fewer discoveries than were produced in the classical period; and we have learned far more in the past 500 years than in the rest of history combined.

[@alexmckee4683]

HappySqrl A lot of the ancient Greek thinking, though incredibly valuable in terms of providing an epistemological framework, was the low hanging fruit. Ancient concepts of science are shaky. A lot has been lost of course but it appears that the sciences of ancient civilization were much narrower in focus and naturally highly developed in that focus. Medieval Arabic knowledge is similar, highly developed in particular areas, while European knowledge was broader but considerably less developed. Overall the enlightenment of the early modern period saw tremendous advancements in knowledge and thought due to the clash of these schools of knowledge and the attempts to reconcile such vast amounts of knowledge and thought. Today we seem to be heading back to a relatively smaller number of highly developed schools of thought with other areas relatively undeveloped.

[@dlwatib]

HappySqrl Our mathematics has lost most of the mathematics that was developed during the Middle Ages. The fundamental math of our age is algebra. The fundamental math of the Middle Ages was geometry, and most of it was closely held as trade secrets, not studied and published in universities. The great cathedrals were not built by doing engineering calculations of algebraic formulas to find loads and stresses like we would do. They used systems of proportions that allowed them to size elements such as piers based upon the height and width of the arch or vault span. They did almost no calculating, it was all done through geometric constructions. Yes, to answer your question, the Middle Ages represents similar gains to what we've achieved over the past 500 years, and in a certain sense they surpass us. We've been unable to build on the past in the last century and so we've systematically set about destroying major portions of the civilization of the preceding 2000 years. As a result, our civilization is greatly impoverished in many important ways. Our religion and philosophy and art and architecture and sculpture are practically all wiped out. Our society is nihilistic in a frightening way. We're ripe for a takeover by Islam or an even worse religion. The Medievalists on the other hand, were able to build on and bring to full flower everything they had inherited from the Greeks, the Romans, the Indians by way of the Arabs, and even the barbarian tribes that conquered the Romans. It was all informed by an unquestioned Catholic faith that conquered by conversion first the Roman empire and then the barbarians. It was a period of synthesis unlike any the world has known before or since. The Renaissance really had nowhere to turn to improve on what their ancestors had done in the Middle Ages. They were reduced to reviving the forms of ancient Rome and elaborating on them in increasingly decadent fashion until revulsion set in and we turned to iconoclastic modernism and atheism and world war.

[@Imperialusername]

HappySqrl The Dark Ages are called so for two major reasons. 1. Was the complete and utter collapse of the quite Urban Civilization/Centralized Government in the west. 2. The Lack of recorded information. The Byzantium Empire shows both of these. The Byzantium Empire in 700 was near collapse pushed back to Balkans and kicked out of Asian Minor by the Arabs yet its army was still in the 100,000s but by 1066 despite regaining Asian Minor and maintain other land they had a much much smaller force they could use. In the Dark Ages themselves Byzantium was still producing things like books and still had at least as much as the Romans had knowledge wise yet very little has survived. Dispute how everyone looks to Arabs to prove the Dark Ages never existed yet they were the cause of it in the east. Only a trickle of the huge amount of books/knowledge they Byzantines had manged to escape the fall of the Byzantines. 1453 NEVER FORGET! The Dark Ages are not about lose of knowledge but loss of our knowledge about them.(The Dark Ages also is referencing that point in EUROPEAN history not world history)It was also about the completely and utter collapse of centralized government to a degree so bad that the west could not raise as Punic sized army until the 16th Century. The Dark Ages and the middle ages are two different things. The time period of the Dark Ages is from about the start of the Migration Period and the start of the the Carolingian renaissance(As in the fall of centralized governments(in the west) to the return of widespread written words(and lower-case letters)) Oh and military tech wise things never slowed down. Quality of metal improved a fucking shitton in this time period.

[@sadfox9294]

HappySqrl We owe the loss of knowledge to the Romans who let their empire to fall apart and who angered the barbarian tribes by cutting off their land ...

[@davidwarren7279]

I have a history major. Those cathederals were build at a time when most people who had a home lived in a single bedroom cottage - the parents would sleep in the same bed as the kids (and even make more kids while the kids they had were sleeping next to them!). Lots of people didn't have homes, and rather than fixing this problem the elites made being homeless a crime. They would literally cut off parts of your body if you were found to be homeless! They clearly had the resources to build homes for these people, given that they build giant cathederals!

[@amram1305]

Then you should know that European whites named it the dark ages because darkskinned people (Israelites and some arabs) ruled until whites captured, vanquished, mass murdered and subdued the remaining Israelites population into slavery then claiming their renaissance. The Voronet Monastery in Romania is one open source to verify this even tho some of these have been whitewashed also.

[@tefky7964]

@@amram1305 Where did you hear such stupid thing?

[@amram1305]

@@tefky7964 ...this all comes from diligent research of my people's hidden history. We are GOD chosen people; this is what the world hides. Have you checked out the Voronet Monastery in Romania? GOD is waking up his people and using kinfolks like kanye, kyrie, brandon jackson, ice cube, fantasia, carmelo and many others to show his mighty power of truth as he gets closer and closer to this wicked kingdom.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

Most of the world population still lives this way by the way. Probably a smaller proportion than back then, but still, little changed in this regard. Back then, just as today, if you have money, you can make or buy your own house. If not, then you pretty much remain where you were born and you inherit what your parents inherited from their parents, so on and so forth. As for cutting out parts of your body if you were homeless.. dude, for real? I kind of question from where you got your history major.

[@jordansjul]

You are thinking with individualistic class-war theory. The community life was vital during the Middle Ages. It was considered being part of something larger than self, something as eternal as this mortal world could achieve, to contribute to the construction of a grand cathedral that you would than participate in the sacraments in with your family … knowing that when you were long dead, your posterity would be worshipping in the same place, in the same way, and being spiritually inspired by the work of your hands. So they lived in a one room cottage and died. You live in a three bedroom house probably and will die. What role do you play in your community? What lasting contributions will you leave on the historical and architectural and artist record that will exist long after your body has returned to dust? Don’t feel sorry for or superior to the people of the Middle Ages, you should feel humbled.

[@thetruth9816]

This video is a breath of fresh air compared to the 1st video that was recommended to me about the dark age. It’s nice to see a video that’s honest about all the GOOD things Europeans have done for the world especially during this time.

[@Siegfried5846]

Look up Carolyn Emerick for good things Europeans have done for the world.

[@PaulMielcarz]

That last statement... is SO conservative...

[@wazzup233]

nah, its so... BRILLIANT!!! 😊

[@YY-ug9mv]

They were burning peoples on stakes for god's sake.

[@yomomyomom3507]

In some parts of Europe, not everywhere. British, German...yes, entire towns were burnt. Spanish inquisition though only started passed medieval ages, and in several centuries it killed on the fire less than 1000 people counting all the kingdoms together, the majority at the start (I believe that´s comparable to current US death sentences...although I am wondering that probably USA's is higher). So it depends where in Europe really.

[@YY-ug9mv]

France,Germany,England,Spain,Italy what else left man.Thats Europe for you.Major players.

[@pat7777100]

what he's trying to teach you is the Dark Ages wasn't as dark as everybody puts it off to be I was taught that the Dark Ages wasn't nothing but murdering all the time there was a lot of good things that came out of the Dark Ages I'm sure these teachers study this stuff before they teach you I find Prager University very interesting and educational there's a lot you can learn from Good Men if you would just listen

[@als3022]

Depends on who you were, where you were, and what century you were born. Life in the 13th century before the Black Death during the Warm Period was actually very nice, but no that doesn't fit into the EVIL Dark Ages under the EVIL Catholic Church narrative.

[@SkyyPiano]

He gets some facts wrong in this video though. The first university is from Africa and the Middle East, not Europe.

[@teddyspaghetti9566]

@@SkyyPiano The first university was founded in Bologna in 1088, what are you on about?

[@SkyyPiano]

@@teddyspaghetti9566 University of Karaouine in Morocco came first in 859

[@teddyspaghetti9566]

@@SkyyPiano Actually a quick search will show the opposite. She founded a mosque that later on evolved into a university, the first reports of it being an academic institution originate in the 13th and 14th century.

[@DavidinSLO]

If the Dark Ages are limited to 500-800 AD (the Fall of the Western Roman Empire to Charlemagne) ... then, yes, those 300 years of the early Middle Ages were pretty dark. But, otherwise, a good video.

[@ethanwhitney6168]

The Near East was not perfect during this time. The fall of the Sassanid Empire and the conquests of the first Caliphate were pretty chaotic.

[@StephenNu9]

But that time frame you're talking about also hallmarked growth. It was principally in agriculture with the development of farm tools and methods. That period was also the development of trade routes and skilled trades.

[@marcooosbibendorsht1334]

Charlemagne wouldn't be born for hundreds of years

[@wolfgangkranek376]

DavidinSLO - Not even that is true. When you look at places like the cities of Italy, Visigoth-Spain or the Byzantine Empire. In all this places culture and trade thrived and was alive and well.

[@ethanmaranto8063]

I thought the Dark Ages were the time from the fall of Rome in 476 to the Carolingian Renaissance in the 800s, and the Middle Ages were started with the Carolingian Renaissance and continued until about the 1500s.

[@lmperiun]

I do agree everything he said, except this one sentece ``fall short of them``, the dark ages were great indeed, but we didn`t fall short.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Didn't expect to see you here :D

[@lmperiun]

RedTeamReview :D I can say the same :D

[@dlwatib]

Machinima Plus If you don't think we fall short, then you are blind to all the ways we do fall short. Art, architecture, sculpture, morality, religion, philosophy: we fall so far short in these areas it's truly dismal. It drives many people to suicide.

[@lmperiun]

dlwatib How is our art, architecture, sculpture, morality, religion, philosophy inferior to their's? Art used to be something only the nobility understood, now here we are, even low middle class can experience art, if you meant to say that "paintings back then were prettier" I have to disagree with you, a lot of people can make really good paintings, so real it almost looks like pictures, but since art is no longer something exclusive to the nobility, there is a lot of artists out there that don't get the recognition or don't have the funds to put themselves out there. Architecture is a funny mention, we have so many skyscrapers built in a smart way, I think you should do a little research. People from the middle ages were not more moral than we are! In fact, they were more cruel than a lot of us are today! Just look at Clovis I biography, he killed men like they were sheep! Look at the Mongolian Conquests, entire cities were devastated, in fact, the Mongols were so brutal some say that the Islamic world never recovered from their brutality. I don't see how our religion is worse too, I mean if I wrote this in the middle ages there was a high chance the Catholic Church would review it, to see if there is something they might not like about it, the Catholic Church had so many power back then, the pope was the one who crowned the kings... Suicide rates today are probably higher than the middle ages, but it's not because we fall short on those areas, it's probably because our society got so complex, people don't see a reason to live

[@rachi7629]

dlwatib LoL, no way in hell. The only thing that changed is that now we have just so many philosofers, artists, scientists etc that there is no way a single man can have a gigantic impact on the world. Whatever you discover, that will only be new for like 5 seconds before someone discover something else, or seriously evolve your discover into something better. You are the one blind by this nostalgic propaganda

[@acetuberjason6730]

Can we just call the era from the Fall of Rome to the Industrial Revolution the Medieval Ages. Those centuries were still an age of brilliance.

[@Britishdarnlib]

No???? What????

[@Matthew_Thorsen6504]

There is a HUGE difference from your "start" and "end".

[@titaniumovaries8556]

This was a FANTASTIC video! I could listen to this man lecture all day.

[@justinwoodall461]

I'd rather take a shit and shove it in his face for being as shitty as one could possibly be.

[@scotthendrix9829]

Interesting how this video ignores the fact that medieval intellectual accomplishments were built on the translation of books from Arabic. These included all of Aristotle, translated into Arabic in the 8th and 9th century, then translated into Latin in the 12th and 13th centuries. Scholars such as Albertus Magnus and Thomas Aquinas relied on the Muslim scholar Avicenna to understand Aristotle. Nasir al-Din al-Tusi influenced Copernicus as well.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

Arabs translated books from Latin/Greek which found their way back to Western Europe later on. Much of the Islamic Golden Age was facilitated by Greek and Persian scholars.

[@TotalMenace]

Awesome video! Too bad all the anti theist and militant atheist on your video can't handle it!

[@Laughing_Chinaman]

sorry to burn your straw man but i'm an anti-theist atheist & i thought the video was great!.

[@SomeSomeCruzz00]

PitchBlackFox so since atheists say christians caused the dark ages is actually a good thing? they are not doing a very good job proving christianity is terrible

[@Laughing_Chinaman]

Wayne Ekeh cherry picking a few facts about a 1000 years time span(400-1400 ish?) doesn't suddenly make the whole time period rosy. especially when most of them were from the last 200 years or so of that period. the point of athiesm(if it has one) isn't to make christianity look terrible, it does that by its self. we both know i can pull out witch trials and burning blasphemers at the stake ect. given the choice between this secular time period or the dark ages you would choose now every single time and not just the for the technology but also for the civil and political rights, which you can't claim the bible for otherwise they would have been around for as long as the bible has been

[@SomeSomeCruzz00]

PitchBlackFox "The general desire of the Catholic Church's clergy to check fanaticism about witchcraft and necromancy is shown in the decrees of the Council of Paderborn, which, in 785, explicitly outlawed condemning people as witches and condemned to death anyone who burnt a witch. Emperor Charlemagne later confirmed the law. The Council of Frankfurt in 794, called by Charlemagne, was also very explicit in condemning "the persecution of alleged witches and wizards", calling the belief in witchcraft "superstitious", and ordering the death penalty for those who presumed to burn witches. Similarly, the Lombard code of 643 states: 'Let nobody presume to kill a foreign serving maid or female servant as a witch, for it is not possible, nor ought to be believed by Christian minds.' " this happened during the middle ages besides christianity didnt cause the darkages. it was caused by the fall of rome, and that was caused by invaders. even a basic historian could tell you that stop being stupid, your blind hate is stopping you from seeing facts

[@TotalMenace]

PitchBlackFox If you liked this video, likely you aren't an anti theist or militant atheist. Just an atheist. Anti theism is nothing to be proud of.

[@nemoschmitz2374]

When I went to the beach in Barcelona I suddenly thought: 'oh wow, in the middle ages the people that lived here also had a sunny sky and the beach' I mean, I don't know if they often had time to hang out there, but just picturing anything other than a castle on a rainy, dark day doesn't seem medieval to me

[@Anonymous-yy7ur]

Is there a book that talks about how great the Middle ages were? If so I want to read it.

[@ViralYoutubeHits]

You forgot to mention how awesome the Black Death was.

[@josedanielleonleon8336]

Resume the entire video in one fact: Middle Ages = 500-1500, Dark Ages: 500-1000. Notice that all those philisophers are from the 1000 and forward. Also, global warming is good! Just what I wanted to hear.

[@Hiperforteca]

+Isaac Olaya Scovino Climate warming was much better for medieval people than a climate cooling. Climate cooling makes growing crops harder, and it causes much colder winters.

[@benjamingoldstein1111]

I also love how he cheers up the 'sciences' of the time. Yeahh, let's treat an infection with leeches!

[@Candyman97]

They still use leeches today for medical purposes, and Maggots to fight infections.

[@Moonmerism]

Eflat Productions yeah but we don't bloodlet

[@magatism]

There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called "the Dark Ages". - Richard Lederer

[@zxvats]

How can we make people believe in god ? We need an update to our religion

[@takshashila2995]

At no point in History did 'everyone' believe in God or the Church ruled not a single second.

[@magatism]

Stats India You really have no idea about western history, do you? well, let me educate you now that you have spoken. 1) Magna carta which forms the foundation of democracy was written during the "dark ages". 2) Dark ages saw the largest agricultural boom in europe before combine harvester arrived. 3) Most of the monuments like Basilica de Notre'dame were built during "dark ages". 4) Universities such as oxford which form the bedrock of modern scientific thought were established during "dark ages". 5) Steel was discovered in west during "dark ages". 6) Western armies developed plated armour, the best armour during its time during "dark ages". 7) Romanesque and Medieval Gothic Art developed during "Dark Ages". 8) Charlmagne was made the first Holy Roman Emperor during "Dark Ages". 9) All major kingdoms and empires accepted the guidance of the Roman Catholic Church. 10) During dark ages, the Roman catholic chutch was the largest religious authority in the world, where even kings were disciplined for misbehaviour. 11) Late "Dark Ages" saw succesful repeal of Islam from Spain, Portugal and succesful defence of Greece and Hungary. 12) Templars developed modern banking during late "Dark Ages". Your observation can also be used to repudiate the idea of India being a Hindu Nation and even more succesfully.

[@takshashila2995]

How is this even related to my point that 'At no point in History did 'everyone' believe in God or the Church ruled not a single second.'

[@magatism]

Takshashila That's a stupid point for the fact that you cannot clainm even your dearest ones believe you all the time, but they still are your people, arent they.and Vatican is still an independent country inside Italy. With Trump, Christian power is making a comeback andvery soon we will send A-holes like you packing, you minimum wage hater.

[@trackman2300]

he is described in this video of high Middle ages

[@KyleOfCanada]

True, but the term "Middle Ages" was itself a derogatory slur coined by contemporaries of the "Renaissance" (meaning "rebirth"). Such a generic and vague division of time itself and the names given to these historical periods was a two-part act of self-aggrandizement by contemporaries of the Renaissance to claim that they were better than their forefathers. They made this claim on the basis that they were restoring the lost ancient western civilizations in art, philosophy, science, etc.--which was true--, but they also perpetuated the myth that nothing good or of importance happened between the West-Roman collapse and their own time--which was untrue. This myth was further perpetuated by the Protestants and atheistic Enlightenment philosophers who followed, both of whom didn't like the Catholic Church, and were eager to distance themselves from and attack a time when it held a large degree of power over Europe. So while you (and several other commenters here) are correct that they used the wrong term "Dark Ages" instead of "Medieval Times", his debunking of several myths about the Middle Ages in general was still on point. All the best!

[@wolfgangkranek376]

So what. They belong to the Middle Ages, dont they? But one can find equally interesting aspects of culture also in the Early Middle Ages. You just have to look at the right places of Europe.

[@gareginasatryan6761]

let's be frank. most notions of the Middle Ages come from movies, where everyone has sooth on their face and wears frumpy clothes.

[@awddfg]

*_during the age of catholics_*

[@calm1tbh]

@@awddfg Um...who are you talking to?

[@awddfg]

@@calm1tbh *_Looks like they deleted their comments._*

[@calm1tbh]

@@awddfg oh lmao

[@ItsDPMikey]

This was so fun and interesting to watch. Very educational and inspiring about our history

[@ditherdather]

This reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Peter crashes his car into a building and everything catches fire, but thinks he went back in time and is like "Wow. In 1955 everything is on fire. I never knew that." Anyway, that has nothing to do with this video, but it made me laugh.

[@rijnvanessen7359]

Dark age song starts playing in the background in my head. Gets goosebumps.

[@TCTGFAM]

People were blind during the dark ages, that is how dark it was

[@TheMegadethMonk]

I freaking LOVE these videos!

[@viciousdinosaur]

I guess people have different interpretations of what "dark ages" mean. I always understood it as the period immediately following the fall of the Western Roman Empire when Germanic tribes (which didn't have a written tradition yet) came to dominate the West. This left us with a gap or "dark" period in the written record, especially England, where we have almost nothing from the time the Anglo-Saxons migrated there and established their kingdoms. Eventually the Germanic tribes picked up the latin alphabet and began writing again and so began the middle ages, which is where most of his examples come from.

[@casper-z9rkls6gl]

For your information, Mr. Esolen, it was White males of the Renaissance, Age of Enlightenment and Byzantine Empire (not modern academics) who saw the _Early_ Middle Ages of Western Europe as the "Dark Ages".

[@Pieterjanvdhd]

The dark ages were from ~500 - ~ 1000...

[@BryonLetterman]

The dark ages were dark because of the chaos that the fall of the Roman Empire caused.

[@Tinnesa]

Yes, and since theology held back science

[@Tinnesa]

Soul Chicken I can atleast give credit to the church for safekeeping ancient litterature, like Homer. The chaotic tribes of Europe would probably have cared less what happened to it.

[@MrBelgianBastard]

The Roman Empire survived until 1453 as the flourishing Byzantine empire. Times were only dark in Western Europe when it was cut off from the world system. Starting with the urbanisation and industrialisation of Flanders, and its trade links to Northern Italy in the 13th and 14th century, Western Europe was dragged into the world system again, albeit as a peripherical region.

[@g-wm6392]

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[@donkeldoothedapperdog]

True

[@oswaldmoselelelely178]

why did 2k people dislike?

[@MrGeocidal]

Because none of the things he described were from the dark ages.

[@clintcarpentier2424]

Because his dates are all in the Renaissance. frivolousendeavour.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/dark-ages.jpg

[@adrianmbugua8344]

Because it was son one sided true alot of good things were from that age but the should have also mentioned the negative !

[@maxireigl1919]

+Clint Carpentier It was a few centuries before the Renaissance, during the High Middle Ages, which followed what most of us know as the dark ages and which your graph doesn't show at all. The other point where your graph is false is that it names Chritianity as the only factor responsible for the actual dark ages, not even mentioning the chaos caused by the fall of Rome.

[@MrDan1941]

Clint Carpentier Actually, historians are finding that the term "Dark Ages" is not particularly accurate for any portion of the history we refer to. We are continuing to find more and more accomplishments and works from this time period. Additionally, your source is clearly a frivolous graph biased against Christianity, blaming it for all of humanity's problems (rather than the true fault i.e. human flaws). Please use legitimate resources if you want to make a valid point.

[@nouser6541]

3:30 the Hagia Sofia was built in 537. its bigger and better than anything pre 1500

[@truckinphilosopher3775]

The way things are today, I would say that we are entering a new dark age.

[@Admiral45-10]

Yes, but Medical Treatment isn't as humane as it used to be in Middle Ages.

[@Wolf_3125]

Makes sense. The Cold War ends and the new Dark Ages set in.

[@judemartin6329]

Honestly I'm not clever enough to figure out if this is just a joke that doesn't really care much about the facts or an actual belief of yours based off of comparing the world in the dark ages and today

[@WillyIlluminatoz]

Btw, no Dark Ages in Constantinople, everything just fine as well as the oldys..

[@australianword3812]

Love how everybody ignores the true heir of Rome

[@vincentthendean7713]

Knock knock. It's the Ottomans.

[@WillyIlluminatoz]

@hammam hraisha , that's not entirely true aka myths. Muslim rulers over Christian Constantinople took advantage of highly educated and high culture of Christians in the Middle East to command them to translate many Greek Classic knowledge into Arabic. Arabs were ignorant, most notable Islamic scholars at that time if not Persian, was ex Christian Arabs/Syrians (converting by force). Also why Western Europe entered dark ages? Because many classic knowledge were written in Greek and many Greek scholars lived in Constantinople. After the Crusader and Islamic attacked Constantinople, many Greek scholars moved to Italy and Venice that made Enlightment possible in Western Europe. Beside that, in Andalusia, many Arab, Latin, and Jew scholars shared knowledge by translated many classical knowledge into arab and latin language. It made Christian in the western Europe had access to classical knowledge and islamic era knowledge in Latin. Islamic Golden Age occured not because Islam per se, it is because Islam ruled already highly cultured Christian (Greek/Syrian), Persian, and Indian nations. We know from history, it was Islam ended the Islamic Golden Age by rejected using Quranic teaching, philosophy (Aristotle) and science as pagan meanwhile Roman Catholic Church embraced it and foster Enlightment across western Europe.

[@ProximaCentauri88]

This episode makes me scream proud Catholic! 🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦 Deus vult!

[@hessstudios3500]

plz dont molest kids thank u.

[@ProximaCentauri88]

@@hessstudios3500 Why would you write that reply?

[@hessstudios3500]

@@ProximaCentauri88 Just trolling my man.

[@ProximaCentauri88]

@@hessstudios3500 I don't get easily offended but your habit will get you into trouble. Man up.

[@Admiral45-10]

Deus Vicit!🇻🇦➕

[@jackhallander6706]

Just nevermind about the constant warfare, famine, plague, life expectancy being a little over twenty, Roman infrastructure being obliterated or decaying, classical learning being lost… just forget all of that and pretend that there wasn’t a complete civilizational collapse in Europe at this time.

[@wildhias6195]

did you really need to squeeze in the parts about the benefits of global warming in a 6 minutes clip about a 1500 year long period

[@vectorgaming4207]

Because the warming in the Middle Ages was caused by the earths natural periods, which don't apply today due to the excessive amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. We have broken our planet's temperature cycle, so to call out alarmism is proof of ignorance.

[@marquee989]

Unless you count the Arabs. What with their Algebra, Astronomy, and Trade.

[@darkhorsearmor3513]

wildhias yes

[@0IIIIII]

Jonathan Sarfati there is a difference between warming over hundreds of years, and warming over a few decades.

[@0IIIIII]

domain mojo go talk to a scientist

[@rh001YT]

I think what was lacking in this presentation was emphasis that there is a popular belief about the bad old Dark Ages, which tends to conflate that all the way up through the middle ages to the renaissance. Typically this emphasis comes from angry atheists whose primary goal is not to do accurate history but to tarnish Christianity. Without pointing out that conflation the author speaks mainly about the high middle ages and says little about the narrowly defined Dark Ages which is like from the fall the Roman Empire up to about 1000 or 1300 AD. That approach will work well enough for the conflationists. As to whether the Roman Church was responsible for the lack of progress in the actual Dark Ages, I would say there is little evidence for that. For instance, the Roman Church had spread to Byzantium and beyond and there we don't hear about a Dark Ages. I think it may be more accurate to see that when the Roman Empire of Europe fell, things reverted somewhat to how they had been before the Empire. Then, slowly, civilizaton returned, even with the Roman Church having some political sway. The high middle ages are then a confirmation that the Roman Church was not the problem, and by establishing some order may have hastened along the process of recivilization, which was then more widespread than had been the Roman Empire. We oft hear from the angry atheists that if not for Christianity, modernity would have come suddenly upon Europe, perhaps as early as 800 or 1000 AD. That makes no sense at all when one considers other places, like India, where there was little Christianity, and yet modernity did not come suddenly there. Since the time of Alexander the Great India had lots of contact with the West, and had obtained much of the math that came from Greece, had invented zero and algebra (under a different name) and was building great palaces, roads and other stuff. for instance they had ships that regularly crossed the Arabian sea on the West and sailed as far East as Cambodia. What actually brought modernity to Europe was the invention of the printing press and the calculus. There was nothing in either of those inventions that was not available at much earlier times, but those inventions came from Christian Europe and not India, China, Mongolia, or N. Africa, nor sub-Saharan Africa, nor from the indigineous peoples of the Americas.

[@karlazeen]

I have a sneaking suspicion that you are strawmanning the point of these so called "angry atheists"

[@miwi9883]

Many people believe also that we would have much more technology now if the church never exist. But thats also not true. Because monasteries were the universities before real universities were found. The monks also keeped ancien book. without them we would know nowaday who was Ceasar and the whole renaissance wouldn´t happend...Without the monks and the churches we would lost 500 years in knowledge.

[@themoleman6806]

People that say that we'd have more advanced technology if the church never existed are _literally saying_ that only white people could invent things. Like asian and arabic cultures don't exist.

[@spellrush2097]

You forgot to mention the unimaginable torture on a mass scale fueled by superstitions.

[@GreatClickbait]

That's true about every age except modern.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@GreatClickbait It is true in the modern age too. Gulags and concentration camps were a thing in the 20th century, and they are still a thing in some countries in the 21st century.

[@jackalopeb9598]

Can you make a video about the Crusades? I am confused. Many people say it was bad.

[@iamthesasi]

It was bad for Muslims. So it was good.

[@PrayingSeraph]

Anyone who claims the Crusades were bad have little to no knowledge about them. Honestly, the Crusades were not only justified(i dare anyone to challenge me on that) but they were incredibly beneficial to Europe and it's protection. The really only bad crusade was the 4th Crusade, but that was a Crusade that went rogue. The victims of it were the Eastern Church.

[@robert123ro]

@ Gianluca Tartaro What have Crusades to do with theism? You think all the people who believed in God approved the Crusades? Not even all the Christians approved the Crusades. You confuse Christianity with an institution, like the Catholic Church. And, BTW, why are the Crusades bad, for an Atheist? Wars are good if they are initiated by a real dictator? Or by a president? Stop offending others and educate yourself.

[@domwalter6474]

Oh the crusades were horrible, but they were also failures. The crusades didn’t really work in the way the Europeans thought it would

[@HandleDisliker]

+Dom Walter and anyone else who thinks Crusaders are evil... I dare you to watch this... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWjcY3-ImMtnocU you don't have to listen to the commentary, but just look at the comparison...

[@DavidB1124]

Nice video... I'm so happy to find another point of view...

[@dylanfox4239]

Goofy video, anybody who knows about history would know that the Middle Ages were terrible. Serfdom, Starvation, child mortality, hmm, why was that not mentioned? Also this talks about a very specific part of the Middle Ages (1300s and 1400s), leaving out the earlier times, which were the actual dark ages.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@thesnownigro7932 They glorify it because it represents their non-Christian ideal world. Despite the fact that you had slavery, starvation, child mortality and everything he mentioned. Fact of the matter is that at least since 800-900 AD and up to 1300, the Middle Ages were pretty much as prosperous as classical antiquity due to a similar favorable warm climate. But yeah... try talking sense into ideologically possessed simpletons.

[@dylanfox4239]

@thesnownigro7932 Touché, HOWEVER, you used the phrase “Middle Ages”, while the video instead uses the phrase “Dark Ages”. The “Dark Ages”, as in the centuries immediately after the fall of rome to the Norman conquest of England/end of the Viking age were much worse socially than the times of the Roman Empire. There were no new roads, aqueducts and bathhouses being made, the rights of civilians, such as universal citizenship (edict of Caracalla) were abandoned, professional armies (Roman Legions) were abolished, which the Arabs, Hungarians and Vikings took advantage of, epidemics, like the plague of Justinian ravaged the continent, Cities like Rome and Milan were destroyed by constant war. All in all average civilian was much safer in the years before and after the dark Ages.

[@forhisglory700]

Identifying something as "round" does not automatically make it a sphere or a globe. Ancient people overall did not believe that the Earth was a ball.

[@sMAXtie]

This guy doesn't distinguish between the *Early Middle Ages* (= Dark Ages) and the *High Middle Ages*. As you can see, most of his examples are from a time after the year 1000 and therefore are a part of the *High Middle Ages*. Is it that easy to become a professor in the US?

[@EinsamPibroch278]

First Universities? You can thank the Catholic Church!

[@bilbobaggins994]

that's not true

[@nobodynowhere7163]

Ah, the Christian apologists trying to apologize for the time they were fully in charge. There is nothing of much relevance in the Dark Ages (gothic architecture perhaps?) by the 15th century, artist were still trying to figure out how to copy Roman and Greek Art, the best stories were still the Illiad, Odyssey, Aeneid, and Ovid’s Metamorphoses. The best poetry was Lucretius’. Plato and Aristotle still ruled serious philosophy and Euclid’s Geometry was still the standard math textbook. There is NOTHING of value from the time the Christians got fully power (~500 CE until the 15th Century when the Renaissance started. Absolutely nothing to learn either (other than a whole bunch of quarreling ignorant chieftains backed up by superstitious and ignorant Catholic priests).

[@rebeccaanderson5626]

You are just a hypocrite pagan . Anyways your existence would be removed

[@nobodynowhere7163]

@@rebeccaanderson5626 I am a pagan, indeed, I do read poems by Sappho and Catullus in Greek and Latin every morning, praising the Hellenic Gods every day, indeed! and there's nothing you can do about it.

[@Ese.vato100]

There’s something magical about the Middle Ages…the music, the art, the way people dressed, the fact that Latin was spoken there. I’m just happy I didn’t live through it

[@chrisp.9385]

Didn't people in the dark ages believe at witches dragons and had princess got reacue?

[@tengokupdf7195]

2019: *lEtS mAkE oUr ChIlDrEn tRaNsGeNdEr*

[@jankoleon3785]

1:52 Huh, Prague University..

[@angelhare8374]

1100 to 1400 is the end is the middle ages You missed 500 to 1000 is what we roughly consider the dark ages The vandals, goths, saxon and barbarian invasions The Vikings and the heathen army Those were ages of brutality and darkness You should make a video on how society clawed from this to the glorious time in this video

[@M2gmkt]

How do we fall short of their achievements exactly ?

[@davelife3324]

Gowtham Muthukkumaran Thirunavukkarasu We don’t, not even close

[@slooob23]

Because we do less with more and they did more with less. We can't even refurbish one of their structures that has stood for centuries without burning it down.

[@ericlawson9404]

We have failed because we so dishonor our founders that we allowed Muslim infiltrators to burn down their greatest works of the past, and then we cover it up, deny. and stick our head in the sand.

[@crowbar4929]

Amazing the ending really touched me. As westerners we have failed our duty to protect our lands and our cultures.

[@molnarradu5687]

Are you from europe?

[@molnarradu5687]

If you must have learned at the history class why the dark ages are the dark ages and it isn’t as the proffesor said. The scientific comunity was opressed by the church and there was stagnation in all senses cultural, economic and demographic

[@Hamphield]

@@molnarradu5687 how cute that you still believe in that read actual history, not your bloody biased propaganda

[@QrazyQuarian]

Thank you. I have learned so much from this video. And that last quote was astounding. I will be using it in my Book of Wisdom that I am writing for my children.

[@cardboardcapeii4286]

What’s in the book?

[@burkardhanis]

Bologna, where the oldest university exist is in heart of the area of Rome that gave the USA the foods we love and is only a hour from Ravenna with its glorious mosaics ... stay at the Hotel Roma in Bologna and see the city and all the wonderful cities just a day trip away from it

[@georgios_5342]

Well, you gave no attention to Byzantium, Soo... No

[@carltonpoindexter2034]

I agree with you on that. The Eastern Roman (Byzantium) empire had no dark ages.

[@georgios_5342]

@@carltonpoindexter2034 ya, I mean they might have had a few religious struggles, but the technology was kept and improved on, from small inventions like the fork to bigger ones like a primal chemical flamethrower whose fire isn't put out by water. They had a university ever since like 600AD that taught litteraly every science there was (no sociology though 😁).

[@carltonpoindexter2034]

@@georgios_5342 Listen to:The Lament for Constantinople on KZbin, a great and heart wrenching Greek chant.

[@georgios_5342]

@@carltonpoindexter2034 truely moving, thanks. Are you Greek? How could you understand it?

[@carltonpoindexter2034]

@@georgios_5342 No, the closet I get to being Greek is being a smidgen of Bulgarian. I was a clueless convert to ORTHODOXY and then found out about the Litany and litany of things the West did to the East as well as the certain someone's who did something. I had been given the Western version, and how they barely acknowledge, to this day, the sack of Constaninople, and the resultant enslavement of a third of Europe. And if Rome was smart, they would now be giving the relics of the saints back to Russia for safe keeping because I think history is going to repeat itself in the West. It is already going on (the burning of Notre Dame by the man in the turban) but not reported, but it is going to get worse. How can one not weep for the destruction of said City/State. All the writings lost, the lives lost, the churches abominated, etc. It is right up there with the Fall of Jerusalem. And both events changed history forever yet the monks kept the knowledge alive at Mt. Athos and Holy Trinity and Kiev Caves Lavras. And, worse still, most in the West Don't get it, have no knowledge of it or could care less, and that is even sadder. God bless you.

[@roland20002000]

Shouldn't these video's have a TRIGGER WARNING just in case people find a difference opinion emotionally distressing?

[@AnisJerbi]

what about the wars and the starvations?...

[@joseoctavioveracervantes7127]

There were wars and starvations in all ages, including this one, remember China.

[@anthonyfox585]

I like the dark ages for the simple fact that the Roman empire fell

[@wazzup233]

And soon there'll be a Dark Age 2.0 when the United States fell, and the world will be at peace. 😁